The Australia-Asia Power Link: Record-Breaking Feats of Engineering
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- Discover the ambitious Australia-Asia Power Link project by Sun Cable, aiming to build the world's largest solar plant, largest battery, and longest submarine power cable to send clean energy from Australia to Singapore and Indonesia. Learn about the challenges and opportunities of this game-changing endeavor.
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I hope they can work out the details and find success in this. We need to find out if solar is going to be viable for large-scale and these are the types of projects to do that. Good on you, Aussies, for giving it a try!
I can tell you that right now. No. Least of all without a revolution in battery technology.
What we should doing is building new nuclear power plants and going full force into R&D of thorium based nuclear pants.
As it is, conventional nuclear is already far and away the safest and cleanest technology we have on a watt for watt basis. It has achieved this in spite of being designed for submarines more than civilian needs and in addition to public ignorance and fear holding back technological advancement and new construction. Our existing plants are mostly very old, with old tech being pushed way passed it's intended service life and it's still beating everything else.
@@zackw4941 Yeah, it's been long overdue to revisit nuclear. There have been multiple safe and clean ways to do it, from the very beginning. I think we can do that, as well as continue to work with these new technologies, to find a better way.
@@zackw4941 The Uranium in Aircraft Carriers and Submarine Powerplants is Weapons Grade mate. The small Reactors used in them came long after they'd made regular Nuclear Power Stations. They needed the Regular Stations to enrich the Uranium for the small Reactors used in Boats. Modern Small reactors use far more enriched Uranium than was used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Reactors for the Navy came way later than anything else Nuclear. India is leading the World in Thorium Reactors, and they've only just got their Breeder Reactor working at full pace 35 years after starting the program. Thorium/Molten Salt is not an instant solution by any measure.
@@tsubadaikhan6332 No, Thorium is not ready for prime time. That's why I said we need to go harder into R&D. The basic concept has been proven and sitting in the table for LONG time now..
There are different variations and fuel cycles for 'conventional' reactors. The basic concepts are mostly pretty similar, as far as I understand. This basic configuration was designed to meet the needs of submarines and enable fuel cycles that produce weaponizable materials. After that, R&D into other methods didn't seem cost effective, when we already had something that worked.
Seeing as one new U.S. aircraft costs per unit 13 billion with program cost 37 billion this seems a very uncostly idea. Oil products won't get cheaper and they already have far more long lasting and detrimental affects ongoing.
It's already gone under. The two billionaire backers parted ways. Also, that route is unfeasible to to unstable geology and deep trenches. It's why Browse gas goes to Darwin rather than Timor which is much closer. It would be very expensive by the time it got to Singapore.
Yup, the project went into voluntary administration in January of 2023. The project seems pretty much dead at this point.
@@MayaPosch aww crap!
Could the gas not be exported as lng considering the massive demand in asia for gas and to cut coal power. Shipping cost would be lower ,much faster to meet seasonal demand change and offset reliance on Russian and more distant middle east gas supply. Shipping lng is expensive so shorter delivery is obviously a plus.
@Stephen Doherty a lot of the gas fields in the Timor Sea like Greater Sunrise are closer to Timor Timur than Australia but the pipes come to Australia and gets exported from Darwin LNG or Icthys LNG.
@@stephendoherty8291 Where do you think Australia exports all it's LNG too, sorry to say Australia was world number 1 LNG exporter until USA took over it.
Russia wasn't even rank 4 in world as LNG exporter and show you listened to CCN too much thinking Russia mattered.
Why China not taking over SCS is important in case try stopping Australian exports.
World number 1 or 2 in most resources to the world.
A mine site in WA called Christmas creek has a MASSIVE solar farm they use to offset the diesel they use and to great effect. I just really hope we use these solar farms all over Australia as we definitely have enough sunlight to make it worthwhile
should also add the Christmas creek solar farm powers 2 massive mine sites
Diesel can be replaced by solar and battery storage. Can you envisage solar farms with battery storage along all major highways and byways so that electric truck transportation of goods can take place. Also eletric trains from Adelaide to Darwin and Sydney to Perth ect. made possible by solar farms. I think it is possible and I wish it were in my life time.
Depends where u are, in Victoria solars quite useless considering it's overcast or raining 80% of the year.
Nearly all of Australia is sunny. As such, it makes more sense to implement solar energy locally rather than have all PV cells in one region in the remote area.
However, the grid is not up to it
Have you ever been to victoria or tasmania? LOL
yup exactly. Yes there are limits, such as Melbourne :) but this location is closer to Asia than Australian cities, so makes no sense to build there & transport over 2000kms to Aussie cities when we could just build the panels on roofs in said cities
Not politically it doesn't. The more remote the area, the less people who might complain that you're screwing them over.
@@SoMuchFacepalm I didn't hear a single person complain when the SA government put panels & batteries onto government housing (and gave the occupants free/discounted energy in return for it)
Though they are not looking for extra costs, paying transit fees to Indonesia would help get them on side. They might even agree to a lower rate during capital cost recovery, and a higher rate during the subsequent period.
I used to supply electrical hardware for commercial solar installations. (In Australia) Not farms, mostly rooftop on shopping centres etc. Biggest was 1.08 megawatts. The industry sure had a lot of cowboys. One caught fire, luckily only a small section. Pushing stuff right to it's electrical limits on top of a hot roof isn't ideal.
Australia has a lot of cowboy type of tradies unfortunately.
As an American, I really appreciate using Shaq as a measurement unit, other wise I would have never grasped the sheer size.
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God knows using a metric measurement would not have been comprehensible to you
I'm a Canadian myself... we measure in both Metric and Shaqs.
Northern Territory is not just one climate... while a lot of it is dry desert, it is still very much tropical and wet in the North.
If I recall correctly the trouble began with the local electric supplier refusing to allow the first operational parts of the farm to hook in their power; cynics might suspect the supplier wanted to hobble a competitor but they assured everyone it was over legitimate concerns whether the solar project could synchronise its supply with the local grid's AC.
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7:25 - Chapter 2 - Development & problems
11:20 - Chapter 3 - Implications for the future
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I hope this continues it really is something that I feel my country should strive towards
Australia should be the largest clean energy exporter in the southern hemisphere. its the perfect economic goal for Australia to strive for. now they just have to make Darwin not an awful place to live. I wouldn't move there.
This is exactly what I was talking friends about energy generation in Africa and cables to Europe for transportation.
Difference of course that Australia has a single stable government, almost no religious extremists, terrorists or warlords.
Is this possible for Europe? Absolutely, Morocco is looking at similar projects. But for a large Sahara/Sudan wide plan? It would face huge challenges.
Trade skills in mining and heavy industry installation and continued maintenance projects (of which Australia has a large skilled workforce) definitely transfers to green energy projects. If anything, green energy is simpler to install and maintain and the overall project is less complex than mining operations from what I’ve personally seen on job sites.
The areas I think would require training and investment in the workforce would be in manufacturing and production of green energy equipment. Turbines, blades, solar panels etc although manufacturing would likely be outsourced to India or somewhere. As much as I’d like things to be produced at home, it may not be cost effective.
In my mind this is a perfect path forward for Australia, we can utilise our skilled workforce as we phase out mining and become significant energy suppliers to all of Asia.
I don't know where your getting your info from but there is no oil in the NT and the gas reserves are off shore in the Timor sea. Actually closer to East Timor than Australia but we managed to steal it from them by bugging their embassy during contract negotiations.
Might be better to use it to supply the East Australian coast during the evening, while the Northern Territory still has sunlight.
FYI Megaprojects, the record for the world's largest Trivia Contest is currently held by the small city of Stevens Point Wisconsin. Hosted by the campus radio station at UWSP and created by the Great and Powerful Oz and Eck.
All the fancy words aside, Singapore prides itself on its independence, which is why the power line goes right past indonesia, and they really should get singapore to get involved before too long. Maybe in a contract to buy all the power from specific panels, or some specific contract.
That's a long extension cord!
The argument between Forest and Brookes has to do with which tech that they use. Forest wants to use the power generated to power electrolysers in order to create and export green hydrogen. Whereas Brookes is in favour of sticking to the original plan.
Personally, I’d like to see a combination of the two projects. Firstly build the green Hydrogen plants. Kero enough on site to power Darwin 24/7 from renewable energy and then export the rest. Then use the profits derived from the export of the Hydrogen to fund the next phase of the project. Though I would be connecting to Jakarta first and then continuing on to Singapore. Who knows in the future, the system could be expanded to add connections to Indonesias new capital of Nusantara and another connection to Port Moresby in PNG.
Yes, I think using the excess energy to power a local hydrogen/ammonia or some other industrial chemical plant makes a lot of sense to me. That way you have near infinite choice in where these energy intensive products end up rather than hard-wiring yourself to singular foreign consumers which would no doubt try to negotiate power supply contracts to be in their favor.
You are all dreaming !
Why stop there? You're already in the Valeriepieris circle for those locations, sell it to the entire circle! ie half the global population
I understand that Sun Cable is, and always really has been, an Australian led concern proposed some time ago by Mike Cannon-Brookes... Not sure why this article presents it as being Singapore led?
It might seem strange that the solar panel capacity is 20GW while there is 6.4GW planned for Darwin and 2.2GW planned for Singapore which only adds up to 8.6GW.
This is resolved in two ways. First, as mentioned in the video, the project was originally planning to have 10GW of generation. Second, the excess generation allows the panels to recharge the batteries during the day for use at night.
There is also probably some excess capacity intended to be used as energy demand increases.
I hope this project is successful so that there can be more like it. Imagine the Northern Territory sending clean energy to the other states and capital cities. There's so much space available for solar panels in the Northern Territory and no real upper cap to energy demands. Imagine how many energy intensive applications would be enabled by more of these huge scale solar farms.
He said a 3GW 800km powerline to Darwin, and then a 2.2 GW subsea powerline from there. 20 GW of production would be mad under these conditions. 30 GWh storage for a 3 GW powerline on the other hand could deliver base load year round. He said that originally only 10 GW production were planned, so the rest of the numbers are probably not updated.
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This will industrialise the North of OZ. Aluminium smelters for starters as there are two of the world's biggest bauxite mines up that way.
Then you have iron ore to be turned into steel.
It is going ahead, and contracts for the electricity have been signed recently.
I hope they put the PV panels up high enough so cattle can still graze underneath. Desalination would make farming possible.
The line to Singapore may not happen but the energy production will.
It is far from the ocean so desalination still requires a lot of power for pumping
I don't think you grasp how far inland this is lol desalination is NOT possible! Cattle can graze fine on desert grasses - and get water via The Great Artesian Basin, that's right below it & holds 5 times the water all the great lakes do. We maintain it as a renewable resourse though, so cattle drinking water only, not land irrigation with it! Cattle can wee out the water for ground irrigation
"This will industrialise the North of OZ"
The number of times this has been tried...
The sheep farms, cotton fields, this nonsense "Then you have iron ore to be turned into steel."
If it is dgoing to work, why didn't it work last time?
"I hope they put the PV panels up high enough so cattle can still graze underneath"
1. That's gonna be really expensive. There are cyclone level winds every few years, the further north you go, the worse it is. So they would have to have their mountings cemented into the ground.
2. Trees. They are a great way to feed cattle when the grass dries out. Panels=no trees.
@@SoMuchFacepalm
1)they are going south to avoid the monsoon. So the cyclones will not be as bad.
2)panels provide shade and put the rains onto a small patch for grass to grow.
@@catprog "1)they are going south to avoid the monsoon. So the cyclones will not be as bad."
The cyclones are on the coast. Cyclone level winds happen as far south as Alice Springs (where I live). They've done a lot of damage this year.
''2)panels provide shade and put the rains onto a small patch for grass to grow.''
So? Shade isn't good for plants, it won't stop evaporation, if the grass only grows in small patches, then you get lots of bare dirt that will give you lots of dust.
Even if they only went half way to Jakarta, a city of 10 million people, that would make a huge difference. Rather than trying to do it all as one big chunk, if they did it piecewise they could work within their existing budget and still rank in tons of cash.
I'm pretty sure this project was never designed to make money, it was supposed to extract money from investors and then collapse.
Yes, or to Indonesia's new capital that's in planning now. Ideal opportunity.
Not sure how the dust situation is in the Northern Territory, this is the issue with proposed solar farms in the Sahara. Apparently sand storms reduce output by 60% and no water to clean the panels.
Its not the same level as sahara
Nt has 2 seasons, dry season then wet season (monsoon season) .. they will wash themselves every 6 months for 6 months straight... 😂 .. its allready been cancelled in january the company went into administration... they were never building this..
Dust is not so much a problem, plenty of vegetation.
The video showed Australia's "deserts". We don't have moving sand deserts in the vast majority of our deserts here, we have enough desert grasses & other plants to keep the ground stable. There is still sometimes dust storms during droughts, but farmers use some of the most inovative systems in the world to reduce dust & preserve top soil here. "Pasture cropping" is a good example of a technique invented in Australia & then tested by the CSIRO, before information on it being shared with all farmers (technique involves keeping native, seasonal grasses in place & planting a crop into them, so that if no rain falls, the native grasses are still alive & able to later regrow & meanwhile their roots prevent the erosion that normally goes with preparing a field for a crop)
So all round, dust here is MUCH less of a problem than places like the Sahara
@@mehere8038 "farmers use some of the most inovative systems in the world to reduce dust & preserve top soil here. "Pasture cropping" is a good example of a technique invented in Australia & then tested by the CSIRO, before information on it being shared with all farmers"
And a grand total of NONE of this is happening in the completely empty desert where this is meant to be built.
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Should serve as an example to other countries that self reliance on energy needs is a good strategic buffer against oil and LNG shortages.
Would make me a proud Australian to see this come to life.
Would make me buy a gas mask. Don't wanna be downwind and unprotected when a bushfire rips through that.
I think this is a great idea for Australia to own and operate, then rent out the power not the other way around feels like another "Australia gets left out idea"
guaranteed Australians wont benefit from this. A few politicians will though.
yep basically the same a sour coal mine and iron ore mines and gold mines, they should all be nationalized, government owned and then wed all be sitting on huge stockpiles of stuff instead of selling it to the highest bidder for them to make literal billions on.
This is not far from me, it is mind blowing to look at in person. The Panel arrays are acres and acres of panels.
Sorry to say as an Australian, I felt that there are problems included
1. Just check how problematic is the Basslink.
2. Earthquake
3. Under water HVDC and Overhead HVDC have different capacity. I meant can only run lower Current.
4. The infrastructure in Australia is actually HVDC to connect Perth and South Australia then strengthen the South Australia to NSW grid is way more important than a link t9 Singapore for the purpose of Green Energy, a normal consumption ie peaks are morning hours before work and early night to cook there are +~3 considering different day night saving which is probably close to perfect (length of cable vs where the sun and moon is if we can have under water tidal plants).
You see in the early night peak sun in Perth still shining there are little needs for a battery as the energy pump to the east, and in the early morning peak sydney already 9am and can pump the energy west.
Wind on the other hand is a bit tricky.
My non scientific best case is that intra australia HVDC have a 15% net loss vs less then 10% over lion, but it is environmentally friendly since there only need a couple of rare earths to make the transformer then is aluminium copper rubber and steel to make a cable, vs batteries as lion needed, the initial big battery in South Australia can hold 15 mins of South Australian consumption, that that is at least 3 time less than NSW, so imagine with the driest Oceanic climate, pump hydro is difficult but of course there are ocean pump hydro but at what environmental cost? A intra Australian grid can save 30% of all batteries needs in Australia with HVDC is the equipment, cables can last 50 years if things went well and it is overhead without the undersea downgrade of max volts. You tell me which is better for the planet.
Australia in itself is 25m+ ppl Singapore is only 5m+ ppl my friend that is 4 times more ppl and 4 * 0.3 = 1.2 my friend 20% more efficient plus a much shorter and naturally more volt below and above sea cables with much less risk of earthquakes ie the Pacific Ring of Fire google this if you don’t know.
Why sun cables?
Consider all the wasted roof space in the sunny countries in the world. How many acres of solar panels could be installed on factories, warehouses, hangers and shopping centres; places that draw almost constantly on the power grid, to reduce fuel use?
Military bases especially could do so to reduce the security threat of needing an external power source. A lower government power bill could be used elsewhere on other infrastructure and people needs.
There are malls and companies, and even Arizona State University, who has a massive parking lot with solar panels functioning as "covered parking" and generating power for the business, etc.
Australia also has the most rooftop solar per capita in the world.
bro its like 80% of houses in the outback of Australia has 2-20 panels
like the last time i lived in a house without them was 2005
Sharks and other sea animals depending on electromagnetic field to hunt and navigate must be ecstatic about the prospect of huge cable messing up with their way of life.
Maybe we should go back a hundred years when there was a saying, ‘the sun never sets on the British empire’. There are similar deserts in Africa, Arabia, Mongolia, ‘stans and the United States.
I love Simon......BUT.... I dare you to show up in "Trivia Night" somewhere. Or even American Jeperody.
For people saying it’s expensive, we got a 3GW nuclear plant for £33bn ($42bn) Vs this 20GW + battery + cable for £17bn
I lived in a town with a guaranteed 365 days a year of sunshine, with the odd scattered cloud. Basically those quarter days of leap years would add up to the rain falling for a week every 20 years or so. Sited in the rain shadow of a mountain range, so no rain from the plains, and too far for the rising cloud rain. The joke was that rainfall could vary drastically between neighbours, with the one getting 1mm of rain, and the rain gauge 20m away at the neighbour getting none, and the same for the other side neighbour as well. We said the frogs and fish learned to swim by correspondence course, though the golf course was well watered, getting it's water exclusively from the town sewage plant.
That's a very inspiring project for the future, no Doubt about it
But what I don't get is why they opted to export the energy instead of using it for Australia themselves and later when all the bugs are ironed down and the technology is Mature try to export?
What advantages does building a big solar plant have over building small locally (I.e build in qld not nt)
This is the closest space to Singapore for large solar.
Their is not really a large amount of new tech here to export
Wow! That's cheaper than Hinkley Point C!
iswitch, which is based in Singapore, has pulled out as a customer for the scheme, which is a serious blow. The current 4 solar farms are having major difficulties in supplying power to Darwin. The cost of the solar power to Darwin would result in increased costs to users in Darwin.
If this project does get off the ground that would probably set off a response in the US. As the
south western US has places that get almost as much sunshine year round consistently and has large population centers that need more power. Especially with the problems with the Colorado river and the Hover dam power generation. Also having the US invest into the concept makes the possibility of reducing cost and increase profitability of such projects easier in the future.
Replacing the power of the Hoover dam and adding another dam downstream to turn it into storage facility could solve the water problem.
Run at night, the pump the water back into the Hoover dam in the day using solar power.
Zero water loss (except evaporation)
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im wondering if putting down that much dark solarpanels over a light colored desert ,if that would not raise the temp around the area and what would that do to the wildlife and nature in that area
Memory fails me but didn't a plan like this in North Africa fall though. How is this better?
How have I (and everyone I know living in Singapore including friends working in the solar power industry) never heard of this?
You need to seriously look at your chosen source of news. I've been seeing lots of stories about this for the last few years.
I suggest Australia's ABC (not the US one) for the Asia/Pacific, DW Germany for Europe and some Africa news, and PBS for the Americas.
There are other good ones and watching these will give you a better idea of the world, as will TH-cam channels like this (stay clear of the fake news ones though).
@@martythemartian99 lol ABC au, Labors advertising arm.
Why haven't you heard of it? because it was never more than some pretty pictures and a steaming pile of hype. Even the ABC reported on it going ass up Jan 23 2023.
@@stusue9733 (sigh) What a tiring person you are. All the lefties say the ABC is right wing, while all the ultra conservatives say it's part of the loony left. Boring!
@@stusue9733 You're meant to research and learn about these things before they come out with their "pretty pictures and a steaming pile of hype."
@@stusue9733 You ARE getting political now. With the appointments the LNP made to the ABC while they were in power the ABC is now more centre right than centre left. Thank god they didn"t turn it into a far right organisation like some of the Libs wanted.
I think if Indonesia wants to invest in Australian solar to supplement their energy supplies then that's cool, seems logical, but the Australian government should build and own the solar farms, by all means we can have a deal with Indonesia, they can invest in the project and we can build extra capacity for export, and especially if they pay for the cable then I'm sure we could offer a very low rate on the energy
It seems every year the Indonesians get financial AID from Australia.
doesn't Australia already have a solor farm running at a loss because dodgy?? pretty sure they sued the owner for like 2 billion in 2021
Wouldn't you lose most of the energy if you transeferred it that far? Especially in conductive salt water, the current in the wire would induce a current in the water right? Sounds like a vaporware project.
So how many Flux capacitors will it run?
For people who don't get how big 35 of those farms would be... 7 of them is bigger than New York City. 14 of them are bigger than London. Imagine 5 of NYC, just solar panels. That's a lot. And that's but a tiny part of one area of one state. Now imagine if we had not 35, but 3,500 of them. 1% of the Northern Territory. That's a theoretical 70 TERRAwatts. Now if Australia and the rest of the world have roughly equal energy consumption per person, that's enough power for Australia, China, GB, USA, Canada, Russia, Japan, and the EU. If my quick calculations are correct. From merely 1% of 1 area in 1 state. That's nearly a quarter of the world's population powered during daytime.
No Messmer Plan yet Simon?
They should've just phased this plan...
Build a solar plant big enough to service Darwin, future proof the cable for more energy and go from there.
Having the jobs for the solar panel construction, installation and maintenance would've kept the project going and government invested...
Then the path to export is shorter and simpler - since it's just 'do more of the same' - more panels, more cables...
It looks to me the investors forgot to take advantage of one of the biggest advantage of renewables: the scalability. If they truly believed in it, the've should have started small, with a small "proof of concept" plant in the desert, the power line to Darwin, and some end use for that energy. Once proven, they've should have expanded the scope, and once the energy available was above a certain threshold, decide whether to build the cable or an electrolyzer.
why would they do that when they have 0 buyers lol
It was and is a fairly tale
It would make more sense to make ammonia. Produce hydrogen by electrolysis, combine it with nitrogen. There is already a world wide trade in liquid ammonia. It can be stored cheaply and cracked to fuel generators.
Because Australia is the best of the nations !
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Power loss over distance makes this whole idea unlikely
Huge undersea power cables are a technological challenge even in theory let alone actually on the seafloor over distances like this would involve.
My impression is that this aspirational project was never feasible even if possible. As noted by others already, it is essentially dead in the water. Pun intended
Unfortunately this plan had two chances Barley's & None. It proved too technically hard.
Better we send them H2 gas (changed in to CH4 ) for ease of handling.
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Do u think indonesia will allow such cables in Indonesia territory?
If Indonesia gets some of the power, why not?
Remember they are Singapore’s largest supplier of LNG, would they want to help a competitor?
The one criticism I have is... "Batteries". Those are just about the worst way to store electricity, from an environment perspective. Not to mention expensive.
On a more minor note, I do not think it's a great idea to run that much power through a single undersea cable. Those are vulnerable to geological disruption, sabotage and so on and so forth.
hey if you know someone in the Australian government, could you forward this vid to them?
7.3 million Shaqs would be a good entry into the 'anything but metric' meme
Wow, this sounds really cool. I hope this ends better then the project to build a huge solar farm in Africa went
It has already ended the same way.
its been dead since before this year lol
Wouldn't sending solar electricity from west to east make more sense? Unless sun cable finds the reverse button for the earth's rotation, their panels would be in darkness when Singapore hit's it's peak use at sunset.
Australia does not have Provinces, we have States & Territories (There's a clue in the name "Northern Territory").
6:41 even longer than the undersea internet cables across the Atlantic?
The project collapsed about 3 months ago . There are some vloggs on you tube about the collapse of the project.
Duh, why not replace the coal plant with part of the solar plant? BEFORE exporting power a 5 thousand KM out of the country? Lot cheaper then building the undersea cable ...
Hopefully they would consider setting up solar panel factory in the country too.
Aussies be like, I don't want that in my back yard, it's only three days drive away!
I heard somewhere that it only takes 2% of Australian land (lots of sunshine) to power the whole world’s current electricity needs. Is this true?
No. Northern Australia gets around 2700kwh of solar radiation a year per m². PV can produce 20% of that in electricity and due to shadow throw you can effectively only use 1/3 of the space for PV modules. So 180 kwh/m² or 180GWh/km² a year. 2% of Australia is 154000 km², giving you a yearly production of 27700 TWh, while the worlds yearly consumption is around 160000 TWh. If you move everything over to electric systems, you might reduce the consumption to 100000 TWh due to efficiency, so you would need around 8%, plus all the transmission losses. On the other hand you can easily power the worlds energy need if you use 1% of every countries land mass.
@@Psi-Storm Like solar roadways! Now with digital thorium!
I hope they achieve it but wasnt a project like this already built from africa(Morocco and algeria) to europe and it failed?
They are still trying i think but more research is needed. Commenting to be updated lol
There is an existing power line between Morocco and Portugal. Morocco has built some solar power plants, but right now they are still importing more power from Portugal than vice versa. They are building more, though, so that's likely to change.
Another line is planned between Tunisia and Sicily. They got some EU money recently so the project seems to be alive, but information beyond a few press releases seems to be sparse.
This is a great idea. It is amazing what we can be capable of. 😊
would be a great idea if it was for Australia :) yet here we are because we got sold the lie of privatising power would reduce prices... lol
Would agree with the few comments on the huge power losses associated with the cable going under water clear to Singapore. It seems to me that this project would make more sense for Australia's own use. Just getting the transmission lines into the air and away from the water and earth would cut your losses significantly, especially with high voltage DC current. Large scale semi-conductors could efficiently convert the DC to AC current once the power reached its destinations. Also, a solar boiling water or another Liguid in a closed loop can more efficiently generate electric power than solar cells at a much lower capitol costs or initial investment. Besides, solar cell manufacturing is much more polluting and power hungry than manufacturing a solar boiling fluid plant too. Then there has to be power storage whether you use solar cells a solar concentrating plant to boil a working fluid. Not such a dumb concept but I think their method & use of electric power generation and transport to market needs some more thought.
The proposal included a 800KVDC cable with loses around 15% which would be similar loses as a domestic UHVDC transmission line except you might have problems with the land owners across the route.
Also solar thermal plants are way more expensive per KW of generation than PV and it's been that way for about a decade. Solar thermal does have real advantages and will likely make a comeback due to energy storage potential but it is simply a more expensive form of generation at the moment.
I hope this project becomes a reality!
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@@rw-xf4cb good. They could build one or two underground nuclear facilities and it would double the output and be half the eyesore. All this green renewable new age hippie crap sucks.
They always mention how much carbon offset per year it would produce but never how much carbon input it would take to build it
Apparently the whole thing has gone on the backburner as being unviable. You also get a lot of cloud during the monsoon season for 6 months.
Mostly on the coast, far less inland where this will be.
@Marty theMartian One thing about these schemes is they sound good, but the transmission losses make them uneconomic in the long run. Even the North Africian schemes have problems supplying solar derived power to europe. The emmense scale and limited paths to lay the transmission cables doom the whole idea. There are also issues with marine life being affected by the current effects through the transmission cable. Also, the whole Indonesian archipelago is affected by earthquakes and volcanism. Even the Hunga Tonga erruption last year took out submarine communications cables last year.
It's positioned below the monsoon band, so it's not as affected.
@bernadmanny the further inland you go, the greater the transmission loss of electricity to radio waves and resistance thermal loss. The project was wound up and liquidated by the two billionaires that set up the proposal, , so doesn't exist anymore, so it is only a pipe dream.
@@damianousley8833 You can't just change topic when someone points out the flaw in your argument.
7:55 Michael who?
Never heard of him in Australia 🤷
Well there you go eh 🙂
Why not at least power Darwin with solar? Plus crossing some of the most heavily shipped, geologically active and deepest waters between both ends.
It might be expensive, but expense is not necessarily a bad thing. Spending at that scale is not like throwing money into a black hole, it goes to companies who then pay employees, who then pay taxes and buy goods and services. When the government spends money, it can lead to a net increase in funds, and an increase in the quality of life for the population.
Just looking at the costs is not a very good way of determining the value of a project.
John Maynard, is that you?
If I were taking a punt, I'd say that Twiggy would be wanting to use the solar to generate hydrogen, and export it via boat to Singapore and elsewhere.
You should cover friendlyjordies in biographicis as the Australian government is hell bent to silence him for calling out all sorts or corruption in the government and military.
I don't think he is as active now his marxist mates are in power
As good as these projects are, I suspect as renewable energy keeps getting better and cheaper, more of it will get generated more locally as it likely would be cheaper and more secure.
Being dependent on any one country for so much energy can become a bad thing and it's also an easy target do a lot of damage to a country by cutting the lines.
Renewable energy is getting so good that even in colder climates like the UK, you can generate a lot or all your energy already, if you can store a lot of that excess energy, basically, a lot more energy is generated in summer than is needed whereas not enough is generated in winter, so being able to store enough of it, whiles having a mixer of solar and wind would be a better solution, especially as solar will generate a lot more energy in summer whereas wind generates a lot more in winter and at nighttimes, they both complement each other, what's really needed is enough battery capacity to keep things ticking over.
I like the reminder that the first one is harder than the second. The second is harder than the 10th.
AUS seems like a great idea for solar, but way too much sun shining down on the solar panels itself, will degrade the performance of the panel as well, did u know that?
can you do a vid on the new world's largest plane??
Be longer than ‘all undersea cables regardless of use’ or be longer than ‘any undersea cable regardless of use’ Simon?
The big problem are the losses of long power lines which may render this mega project rather useless. It would be better to split it into a few smaller power stations and keep the losses small... Imho
What you are talking about is the losses incurred in transmitting AC current over long distances. And you are absolutely correct, the losses that would be incurred are extremely large. SunCable however is looking at HVDC or high voltage DC transmission lines. Whilst they too suffer from some losses, it is a minor fraction of that experienced by AC transmission lines.
What's the carbon cost of the manufacturing plant, building it, and maintenance?
Zero, because its unlikely to be built. So you only have to worry about the carbon cost of the Hype.
Significant, but way lower than building and fueling a Gas/Coal power plant.
depends on what your source of energy is. If its 0 carbon like nuclear then its 0. Dont ask what the carbon cost is and ask how much energy would be needed to cover the entire lifecycle from construction to reprocessing/disposal.
But another thing people ignore is the environmental cost. Solar panels need batteries and the two are electronic waste and thats just as bad as co2 for people. Solar needs a lot of land which means destroying ecosystems. You could put them on roofs but the taller the building the less energy per person so this means you would need more buildings that are 1-2 stories instead of 10+ if you want to rely on solar. And with everything being more spread out you need even more energy.
@@namename9998 Nuclear is horribly expensive though.
@@martythemartian99 No its not. It costs the same as solar but solar doesnt have such large projects or construction going on.
Yeah at this point i'm very certain the very reason it is so hard to establish green energy is because of the works of oil and gas companies.
Hefty sum? Way, way cheaper than Brexit!
Cheap as chips.
Brexit was barmy.
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This all sounds great. But the problem is like all problems. It's getting the power the food To where the populations are.
This will be stopped by an endangered species being nearby.
I'd love to be wrong.
If I AM wrong, we can power sixteen and half of Doc Brown's DeLorean's ;)
Why stop at Singapore and Indonesia, why not Vietnam?
If they did use it largely for Austrailia, an occompanying network of gravity batteries could make a massive difference.
gotta get the tunnel borer for the snowy river scheme mark 2 unbogged first
@@mehere8038 No point. We don't even have any decent mountains for it to bore through. And where's this water gonna come from?
@@SoMuchFacepalm you really need to spend more time researching instead of commenting. This is the 4th comment in a row I've read of yourse showing nothing but ignorance & that is being picked up on by everyone, not just me! Gravity batteries, also called pumped water batteries use extra energy to pump water (or other liquids) up & then when that energy is needed, they release it & let it flow downhill to generate hydro power. The Snowy River scheme mark 2 is an additional investment on the original, highly sucsessful Snowy Moutains hydro scheme, so as to make that existing system capable of not just harnessing hydro power from out mountain ranges, but of feeding excess grid power into it when available, so as to pump the water alraedy used in the hydro generation, back up hill again, so it can be recycled as additional hydro power, without the need for any additional water or mountains.
Please do BASIC research before commenting, cause you're making a total galah out of yourself over & over! I can certainly see why people facepalm your comments constantly!
Something I thought is all those panels would provide a loads of shelter to prevent water evaporation, and capture night condensation you see in such cloudless high humidity areas, effectively turning the near desert into viable farmland.
It's a desert.
Yeah, the Barkley isn't very humid. Water access isn't that much of an issue, look up the grape farms.
Modern large grid scale stuff should at least take into consideration use of the land underneath.
To not get double use of the land its wasteful.
Why would you go right through Indonesia to Singapore? Indonesia (especially Java) has way more people, and Singapore is right next to Malaysia already.
Australia could ditch its fanatic opposition to nuclear and produce far more exportable energy on a much smaller footprint. No batteries required.
Good idea we'll bury the waste in your backyard.
With loads of nuclear wast. If the land is uninhabited anyway this is a cleaner and safer use for it. Not that I am against nuclear power, in the right locations.
I agree. Unfortunately, nuclear power has a PR problem, which makes a lot of people oppose it without fully understanding it
Nuclear is not cheap. Look into what the new NPP are going through right now. The upfront cost of building the plant is doubled if not tripled when the plant is still in construction. Plus, getting new fuel and processing the spent fuel is not cheap either.
Also, NCRE are getting cheaper, more efficient and better for local economies each year. Since I entered the industry 3 years ago, PV panels have more than doubled their capacity, new batteries are available and efficiency is getting higher as well. This is the way, nuclear will not be the solution until fusion is available, and we are decades away from that. Let's go with what we have available now. I know NCRE are not entirely clean, but it is also an issue that is being addressed right now with cleaner production methods.
How about no fk nuclear and leaving the by products for our future children