Mark, I agree at certain extent with you on this one. Let's say for example elizabeth the queen would die somewhere in manchester, would she be burried there? of course not. they claim that there is no space in westminster abbey to bury Richard the third. it doesn't matter if henry the 7th is buried there, he belongs among kings as Richard the third. Richard the third was loved in Yorkshire, he was from York and therefore he belongs there if he can't be buried in London next to his brother Edward the forth. Leicester does not deserve this credit. Leicester is not his home. Never heard that kings are buried where they fall. Anyway, thanks so much for uploading this video, its always a pleasure to listen your point of you.
Sorry, but Richard WAS NOT born in York or Yorkshire -- he was born in Fotheringhay Castle which is in Northhamptonshire. Likewise, while he did spend some time of his life in Yorkshire, most of it was spent elsewhere. His "attachment" to York was no stronger than it was to any long list of major towns. And, please don't make the mistake of thinking that because he was a member of the "House of York" that had ANYTHING meaningful to do with York the city. Likewise, Richard never said anything about wanting to be buried in York. By comparison, Richard was buried in Leicester BY ROYAL COMMAND! Maybe it was by a royal none of us like, but that was still as good and official as it got then. Richard and Henry were even family (if extended). The so-called "Plantagenet Alliance" did a lot of questionable, even immoral things. One of them was to pretty much outright lie about their connection to the King (he has no living "family", not unless you include a third of the current population of the country!) and about his so-called love of York and his (fictitious) wish to be buried there. In truth, the Alliance is/was like a gang of love-struck groupies who had so completely lost their perspective they convinced themselves that because they "really cared" for him they were free to say anything they thought necessary to gain the right to decide where he should be buried. They basically fostered their own ego-inflating myth on the rest of the country and, sadly, tricked a lot of otherwise good citizens of York into falling for their fantasy. Worse, the Alliance even managed to get the taxpayer to pick up the bill for their little act of make-believe!! I have no special love for Leicester, but I do for the law and for common practice, both of which say Richard should be buried there. As a member of the Richard III Society I am also deeply embarrassed over the Alliance's actions as they've made all of us interested in Richard and redeeming his reputation look like love-sick groupies -- at least in the mind of the average person (for example, when I took the Beefeater Tour at the Tower last September the guy couldn't resist sticking in a crack about those 'crazy" members of the RIII Society -- and I don't know if I can blame him!). I just hope the Alliance has the good sense to not try anything else. Do we really need even more of the world laughing at us during what should in fact be a time of triumph for historical enthusiasts like us? The Alliance has singlehandedly turned what should have been our greatest moment into our greatest embarrassment.
Pragmatically I totally I agree with you here. I'm from York and will be the first to say that we've got more than enough tourist bait here for one city and Richard would just get lost in the mix. I think it will be a great boost for Leicester which is brilliant. I do, however, think that aside from that, York would have been the logical place for his bones to rest. No other English monarch has been so deeply tied to this county and our oldest pub in the city, the King's Arms, has been there since Richard was king and even was named after him.
I agree with you, the tomb design they did go with, is far too modern. I was disappointed in their choice. your idea of a more medieval design would be far more in keeping with the age in which he lived. Incorporating a white rose motif would have been nice, too. Too bad.
Mark, I agree at certain extent with you on this one. Let's say for example elizabeth the queen would die somewhere in manchester, would she be burried there? of course not. they claim that there is no space in westminster abbey to bury Richard the third. it doesn't matter if henry the 7th is buried there, he belongs among kings as Richard the third. Richard the third was loved in Yorkshire, he was from York and therefore he belongs there if he can't be buried in London next to his brother Edward the forth. Leicester does not deserve this credit. Leicester is not his home. Never heard that kings are buried where they fall. Anyway, thanks so much for uploading this video, its always a pleasure to listen your point of you.
Sorry, but Richard WAS NOT born in York or Yorkshire -- he was born in Fotheringhay Castle which is in Northhamptonshire. Likewise, while he did spend some time of his life in Yorkshire, most of it was spent elsewhere. His "attachment" to York was no stronger than it was to any long list of major towns. And, please don't make the mistake of thinking that because he was a member of the "House of York" that had ANYTHING meaningful to do with York the city. Likewise, Richard never said anything about wanting to be buried in York.
By comparison, Richard was buried in Leicester BY ROYAL COMMAND! Maybe it was by a royal none of us like, but that was still as good and official as it got then. Richard and Henry were even family (if extended).
The so-called "Plantagenet Alliance" did a lot of questionable, even immoral things. One of them was to pretty much outright lie about their connection to the King (he has no living "family", not unless you include a third of the current population of the country!) and about his so-called love of York and his (fictitious) wish to be buried there.
In truth, the Alliance is/was like a gang of love-struck groupies who had so completely lost their perspective they convinced themselves that because they "really cared" for him they were free to say anything they thought necessary to gain the right to decide where he should be buried. They basically fostered their own ego-inflating myth on the rest of the country and, sadly, tricked a lot of otherwise good citizens of York into falling for their fantasy. Worse, the Alliance even managed to get the taxpayer to pick up the bill for their little act of make-believe!!
I have no special love for Leicester, but I do for the law and for common practice, both of which say Richard should be buried there. As a member of the Richard III Society I am also deeply embarrassed over the Alliance's actions as they've made all of us interested in Richard and redeeming his reputation look like love-sick groupies -- at least in the mind of the average person (for example, when I took the Beefeater Tour at the Tower last September the guy couldn't resist sticking in a crack about those 'crazy" members of the RIII Society -- and I don't know if I can blame him!).
I just hope the Alliance has the good sense to not try anything else. Do we really need even more of the world laughing at us during what should in fact be a time of triumph for historical enthusiasts like us? The Alliance has singlehandedly turned what should have been our greatest moment into our greatest embarrassment.
I would imagine that when the queen passes away, she will be buried in St. George's Chapel at Windsor along with the rest of her relatives.
I would prefer to visit a place he lived and loved, rather than where he was killed, and Yorkshire is far more beautiful!
Pragmatically I totally I agree with you here. I'm from York and will be the first to say that we've got more than enough tourist bait here for one city and Richard would just get lost in the mix. I think it will be a great boost for Leicester which is brilliant. I do, however, think that aside from that, York would have been the logical place for his bones to rest. No other English monarch has been so deeply tied to this county and our oldest pub in the city, the King's Arms, has been there since Richard was king and even was named after him.
I agree with you, the tomb design they did go with, is far too modern. I was disappointed in their choice. your idea of a more medieval design would be far more in keeping with the age in which he lived. Incorporating a white rose motif would have been nice, too. Too bad.
My opinion is that he and Anne should be together in a location where they were respected.
He was Duke of YORK.
He was Duke of Gloucester. His nephew was Duke of York. (One of the Princes in the Tower.)
Got to be york deffo or at bosworth but never at leicester