In addition to being a great singer, Tarja is a sweet and humble person. You can see this in the way she has always connected with fans and interviewers in general. She also demonstrates this in small acts. For example, in this documentary Tarja arranges her own clothes for the shows. She ironed her own dress. A diva, in a bad sense, would not admit to doing this kind of domestic chore. The interview Tarja gave after being fired is heartbreaking.
I agree. And she had to struggle to even have the bloody iron avalable backstage! With a little more competent manager and a tiny bit of good will, she wouldn't have had to hire her husband to take care of such things. Then she gets called a diva!
ANN WAYCHOFF'S FINAL MESSAGE TO REACTORS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I have been a fan of Nightwish, Floor - all of them, for an amount of time that seems like an eternity. But I notice a lot of people are doing them all wrong, to me. They embrace Floor as she should be, she is what is best for Nightwish because she is so versatile. What frustrates me, is the amount of people throwing in requests for Floor. So many people in the "Nightwish Army", or whatever, ignore Anette and Tarja, and all the work they put into the studio albums. Not everyone, but enough... too many to be comfortable with. If I was to say anything to people, to the people doing reactions, it is to be original. You don't have to listen to everyone and be the performing... whatever... in the circus. You don't have to be. There is over 100 songs in Nightwish's library, and so much studio work that goes unnoticed that it's almost infuriating. Now don't get me wrong, I love Floor, but Nightwish is to be experienced for everything that it is. Tarja, Anette, Floor, Live, Studio... it's all their history, Tuomas's work, Marko's work - everyone in that band. Do more of the studio work while you do the live Floor stuff. Appreciate Nightwish for everything that it is, and don't be afraid of backlash from the other fans. If you truly love Nightwish, then that is all that counts." *ANN WAYCHOFF - 6/20/20* she past away "Ann Carone Diamond Waychoff, 66, of Titusville, passed away Sunday, June 28, 2020 at UPMC Hamot." She had no hatred towards any lead singers...
And BINGO, at 31:20, one of the main points of friction between Tarja and the band. To do her best performance , she needed a lot of personal space and private time. As a female she wanted physical privacy away from the guys. And the guys are living in each other's back pockets, on top of each other. Zero privacy. And let's face it, they can get crude and rough. It never occurred to them that as a female, Tarja had different needs. She felt isolated and unheard. Her husband saw an opening there and stepped in as her protector. Which in the long run didn't help at all.
My thoughts exactly. Actually after this my respect for Marcello grew. Also felt bad and sad for Tarja for having to put up with the sometimes disgusting behaviour. However I believe that in the long run the guys have learned stg. I do not thing that Tuomas would make Johanna go through that ordeal.
@@KristiinaBerg Right! Thing is, from other films the group has done, from the early years, the guys were having a carousing good time. Getting solidly drunk, being proper young tear aways, causing trouble. Mad, bad and dangerous to know. But that's how young rock and rolly guys are. Zero grasp on the niceties of civilized behavior. Tarja had done some proper classical training, she was a YOUNG LADY. She was raised with MANNERS. Plus, with her method of performing, she needed to be treated like a Dresden China doll. She needed privacy to pull herself together and warm up. She needed privacy on the road. She needed her own space, her own room. Some personal safety. The guys....Nope. They just couldn't see that Tarja didn't like being treated like a fellow drunken lout. After years of being mistreated, I'm not surprise that she tumbled for the first guy to treat her with some common courtesy.
@@SandraNelson063 I wonder if Annette was suffering from sheer fatigue as well and not from bad work ethic as has been suggested. I am so glad that Marko has said farewell to alcohol for good. And I hope that the rest would do the same, simply because Finnish men and alcohol is a bad combination. This has been a truly eye opening document. So thank you Just Jen for doing it! Somehow I understand Tarja better now. Floor has a totally different physique from Tarja and Anette that makes her more resilient. And it seems that the touring schedule is now more humane.
@@SandraNelson063 I had to come back because I love this post of yours.I've known some opera (soprano) singers. And the thing is like you said:Privacy for the rehearsal, opening voice and " to pull herself together." It's not Tarja being a diva thing, which she isn't but it is to do with the fact that she is, indeed a soprano, even singing operas and she takes that seriously.So if that is seen as a diva behaviour, I don't care.A professional has to do what professional has to do.And I think that is where a young metal band life style and opera-soprano singer life style crashed.One of the things that maybe caused problems. I think Floor can handle the guys, as she is different kind of singer and also they all are older and wiser.Lessons learned.Things have settled down.People are happier.Tarja was leaving the band anyway, it's understandable that she would want her own career and they all have their projects besides Nightwish nowadays.It's just the way that it happened that is sad.I wish the door would be open for reconciliation (?) but Tarja and Tuomas were so hurt in the end that this is one of those things that better leave it be.And so it has been since 2005.
They always tried to accommodate Tarja's female needs as much as possible. In the early days of doing clubs it wasn't always possible to have a completely separate area for her. But according to he guys she could get as bawd and rowdy as any of them with a few wines in her.
If you haven't already, I recommend you read the biography "Once Upon A Nightwish" It's a fascinating book that tells the story of the band's very beggings right up until Tarja's dismissal from the band.
The magic in tarja’s voice is not only her super powerfull voice, but how much fucking emotion she let you feel while she sings! This beautiful Finnish girl is the Angel of music🔥🎼
The doc is so loaded. The band's forced smiles. Tuomas completely checked out. Marcello physically putting himself between Tarja and the band. The authorised biography 'Once Upon a Nightwish' is essential reading for any fan. Granted, it is heavily skewed in favour of the rest of the band, but it does seem to paint an honest portrait of Marcello's role in the disintegration of the relationship between Tarja and the Nightwish camp. The book claims that no matter what money sum was offered to the band for a gig Marcello would always insist on 20% more. So the Nightwish management just started giving him the quote that was 20% LESS than what they got so he would agree to the gig. Tuomas made these feelings very well made in the song 'Master Passion Greed'. And Tuomas explained that they made the letter public so that the fans would know exactly what was going on and it would stop the media from just printing a bunch of lies and speculation.
Can I just make an observation here? It's been said/written that Tuomas composed for Tarja's vocal style and range. Thinking about that and the powerful delivery she gives in live performances it was always going to be a hard call for future singers to measure up. Annette came into NW with a very different sound, yet performed all the loved/revered songs the fans adored to the best of her ability...for that she must be acknowledged. Floor arrived and put her own magic to the songs and performed brilliantly...still does. I can't compare the ladies...they all joined and not only took on a massive task to recreate the magical compositions of Tuomas but also add their own personal flair to each song. They should be appreciated and admired for the momentous effort that took/takes and commend their individual bodies of work within the most fantastic band in the world! Can't compare the incomparable.
I loved the Anette albums. In fact 'Dark Passion Play' is my favourite Nightwish album. She's an incredible singer in her own right. She may not have been suited to a lot of the older material, but she sang her ass off on those records. Her vocal on 'For The Heart I Once Had' is just jaw-dropping. I'd like to see Floor do it some time.
Wow, nobody from guys smile. It is a very sad documentry, like Metalicas, when James come in, say he go for a time, and nobody knows, why.Today, we all know. What the Band say, together after the concert. The Singer. Thats the reason the Open Letter is really not only from Tuomas.
i have to look this litle by litle coz not have time. but already thanx to great reaction and i not ever seen this document before. have lucky new week jen.
@Just Jen did just see that both conserts Lowlands 2005 and The Wishes to Eternity if you wanna react to them. Lowlands is almost the same songs as End of an era, And she is more healthy so her voice is better and more powerful
the most emotional moments from the concert , if you are thinking that she didn't know that it's the lasr one with Nightwish, you can say that are the songs Ever Dream, Nemo, Ghost Love score, Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan, Creek Mary;s Blood, Bless the child ( in all it's a strong message for her); when you see Empuu crying and others, when you see in the end AND THIS IS IT
You should never do this with an open letter, just do it in private. You can not expect that a person stays allways the same as a teenager for ever. She was married, her priorities changes, that is life.
I don't think it had so much to do with her being married, IMO.It had to do with that guys in the band couldn't understand what their only female member needed.Tarja struggled to have her basic needs met at the tour.Everyone else in the band had help.Each member had technical crew/ assistant or whatever to take care of things for them so that the said member could focus to do their thing for the show.For example their instruments were properly taken care of and on stage in time.What did a singer need?A microphone!Right??!!Tarja didn't have anybody.After firing she did held 90 minutes long press conference where she explained her POV. on several things. It was just basic needs at the tour: Her own dressing room for rehearsing, changing clothes, opening voice, for privacy etc.She liked to iron her clothes but there was no equipments to do that.All those things that I bet Floor nowadays has if she needs them.Basic stuff that were forgotten or didn't exist or were last minutes thoughts for Tarja.Hence I'm questioning also band's manager's competency at that time.Also she felt lonely and misheard.She is classical singer, a soprano, so she works little different in that perspective too,She has her own methods to get ready for the show. Also the band's touring schedule was BRUTAL for a soprano, she felt exhausted.Also there was some other UNFORTUNATE things that happened for her but I'm just mentioning a few. Guys were living a rockn' roll life with whatever social skills and understanding of females they had at that time.They didn't need as much privacy, I guess.Maybe this all led to the thing that Tarja had to hire her husband as her manager to run things for her, making sure there was a dressing room etc.The rest of the band didn't like her husband and I'm sure they had their reasons.Tuomas was very angry and as we know shit hit the fan like never before in NW's history and hopefully never does again. Tarja put up with A LOT OF shit.But she loved their music that why she did it.She was leaving a band anyway in future.She wanted a solo career.So she wasn't going to be permanent member anyway.Members tend to come and go in a bands.They have individual needs. Keep in mind this was A LONG time ago.Things have changed since.But it really all comes down to basic communication, respecting your band mate and it's obvious nobody in the band asked Tarja:" How's the heart?" like they do nowadays.Hehe! Anyway: Tuomas has said that if Floor ever leaves NW that'll be the end of the band.That's sensitive, introvert musical genius talking, IMO.So I bet they listen better her needs and wishes.Also people are more mature and times have changed in general.It was a major screw up from NW's part, IMO. Time is merciful in this case, I'm sorry Tarja had to take that hit back then.I'm also really glad that Floor is now the singer.She can stand her ground in the band, things have settled down.And I know Tarja agrees that Floor is lovely.This band has SURVIVED AND THRIVED.
I don’t judge Tuomas for doing what he thought was best for the band, but l don’t think it should have been an open letter. It should have been done privately between the band and Tarja, and then release a statement to the fans, of their decision. Then maybe a reunion, at some point, could have been possible. I don’t blame Tarja for wanting to make a name for herself, she’s amazing, and l don’t blame her husband for supporting her and helping her achieve her dreams. In the end, both bands are thriving. Nightwish has an amazing singer, the wonderful Floor Jansen, and Tarja is doing her thing and killing it! ❤️ You should checkout Tarja’s press conference, after her dismissal, to see just how heartbroken she was. She’s absolutely not a “Diva”. She also wrote an ‘open letter’ response to the band. Check it all out, if you want to get both sides of the story.
I think you’re right. That letter should’ve been kept between them. I feel the same way, I haven’t read that letter yet. But we will be reading it on my Nightwish Sunday stream. I believe we will get to it this Sunday.
hi i am at least 2 month late i was there for this livestream and other end of an era reactions i wanted to watch this at least 3 or more times to confirm just notcied that Tuomas sings along with the lead singer but in this last consert he did sing but only with Marco when Tarja sang he kept his mouth closed and there is an overall disconnect from the boys and Tarja she loved / still loves fans and that was her focus
I was watching this stream.I was afraid that when Jen started calling Tarja's husband names that it's going to go trashing Tarja next.Luckily that didn't happen.Also I don't see how Tarja's husband should have enjoyed the foreskin joke.That was tasteless.This was uncomfortable to watch at some points for obvious reasons.Seems to me that the guys didn't quite understood Tarja's needs at the time and added to that they didn't like her husband.Recipe for disaster.I also didn't understand why Marcelo had to be there in the first place and he may have been the master passion greed but he is still by her side +20 years later so he obviously has her best interest in mind.But I don't think he should have been involved in Nightwish business anyway at that time. Some say Tarja is a diva.She's anything but from all I've seen about her.The press conference after the firing was heartbreaking.I hated them all for being such cowards and back stabbing her the way they did. I don't care what she or Marcelo did to the band.That was not the way you fire your band mate of many years.I'm surprised that none of these grown ass men couldn't think that it was a BAD IDEA fire her like that.And obviously no PR persons around to stop that mess from happening.And we all know Tuomas paid the ultimate prize for that.Also I read somewhere that much later Marko has said that it was not worth of losing a good friend (meaning Tarja.) Everything were left hanging without conclusion and still are.Yeah, it happened long time ago but for some new(ish) fans like myself it's really sad because I know Tarja and Floor like each other and they are both at the top of their games.Imagine Tarja visiting Nightwish singing with Floor their hits. Imagine Tarja and Tuomas healing their relationship and what could have come out of it...It's water under the bridge and they don't care anymore and have moved on I know. Still it made my little fangirl heart little happy and sad at the same time seeing Floor and Tarja happily chatting and knowing Tarja and Tuomas could never do that. Ultimately I'm just angry at myself that I wasn't a fan all those years ago, so that I could experience it before it got bad.Now it's just bittersweet every time I see those old videos. Luckily Nightwish came out of that and evolved as a band.It's all good in the end. The band will survive as long as Tuomas keeps it going and if he ever thinks about quitting somebody needs to tell him NO! They were close to quitting when Marko left but decided to keep going still. I remember when Tuomas wasn't about to make music videos (he was bored with them) for Human Nature but Floor persuaded him.And then they made "NOISE." I don't know what it was that convinced him to continue this time..I know Tuomas has said he has still stories to tell...or words to that affect. Floor seems to have a good head on her shoulders and she might have some influence over Tuomas...After all... about "Noise" Tuomas was like:"Ok darling if you want...." 😃 And Floor doesn't seem like a quitter (?) Tuomas seems like a sensitive person so he needs somebody to tell him if he ever thinks about ending the band again.Because the band needs to be going 'till the end of times.Please and thank you. ♥
I agree with many of your points. Why should he think the forskin joke funny? Its a sex joke on his wife, at their expense. Does not make him a narcisist for that. Also I think People need context. We see in the video how many of the fans are VERY touchy and invade their private space repeatedly, one fan grabbing Marcos beard even. That is mild campared to what Tarja was exposed to. She was sexually assaulted on stege by a fan one time , her current husband was the guy that came to her rescue, and he and Tarja did not know each other by that time. In addition, she would often be grouped. Thus, him doing his job as her manager and stickning by her side, also as a protective husband is not strange at all. We see Ewo, the guys' manager also present thoughout.
@@FemaleMetalLover Oh!It's you.I've seen your posts around and I always like reading them.I think they are informative and somewhat objective to the subject in hand.You are not just a cheerleader of a certain singer, you like the band. That's my feeling anyway. 😁 Do you know why Tarja needed her own manager when the band already had Ewo?I know she was planning her solo career.Also that is horrible if you are sexually assaulted and you don't get any help, except from a stranger.I'm a die hard fan of this band but I have no problems calling a shitty behaviour out if there is that...Well...band seems to be more settled down now...Maybe it has something to do with age...😁 But as I'm finnish I have a soft spot for Tarja and in general I can't stand those cheerleaders in this fandom who need to pit them against each other, Floor and Tarja.I don't think they are fans of the band, they are just cheerleaders of a singer. Nightwish fans don't do that shit.That's my theory and I'm sticking with it. 😄 Who's better Jukka or Kai??!! 🙄 It's annoying.They are both more than capable drummers for the band.There is no competiton, never have been. But the need to compare and pit members against each other is overwhelming in this fandom.I already fear the shit new bassist is going to get because he is not Marko.🙄 Also I have a blind spot for Anette because I wasn't a fan of the band at the time when she was in the band and I just found the band in the end of 2019.I always knew they existed but didn't really pay attention and after they fired Tarja...I REALLY didn't care....but Tarja's Nemo was always at the back of my mind...and 2019 I decided to watch Nemo music video and after that check how the band is doing so....here we are. 😀 Nice "meeting" you, by the way. I enjoy reading something else than "Floor is a valkyrie goddess from valhalla" or "Tarja is the queen, there is no Nightwish without her" or some other one liners which has very little to offer to the discussion.
@@FemaleMetalLover he gives me bad vibes. That’s just my opinion. A ton of people agree....Some don’t, and I’m totally okay with that. I’m very good at reading people, I have a sixth sense for exactly that. He’s been known to do much worse than what we’ve seen here. I will crack jokes when I can, to lighten the mood. It’s fine that you don’t agree with me. That’s exactly what I want, I want people to have their own opinions. I’m basing what I say off of what I’ve witnessed with my own eyes. You can clearly see the pain Tuomas is carrying. You can feel it! Well, I can anyways. I can feel the pain coming off of him. Especially when he places his hands over his face. The sadness radiates off of him. Then again, those are just my feelings. I believe that I am an empath, and I will never change that about myself. I simply cannot change that. And I don’t want to either. It’s kept me from getting into a lot of trouble. Only one ever conned me. And that will never be spoken of again. Cheers 🥂 hope to see you in more streams. It’s always a pleasure having you here with us.
@@JustJenRx Jen I humbly respect your opinion, I am not purposefully trying to make you look bad. There are two sides to every story, and this documentary is recorded and edited from one, as was the Open Letter. Watching the stream it was easy however to see that you watched it with a critcal lense on Marcelo and Tarja. Please, bear with me here. I am saying that we should not throw out judgements so lightly about people we know little about, or from impression based off on accusations from their adversary, thats simply just unfair. I understand however that it is NOT EASY, how could it with such amazing, beautiful songs like Poet And the Pendelum? " He’s been known to do much worse than what we’ve seen here." May I ask what? I love the band, I discovered them when I was 10 years old in 2000, have travelled multiple countries to see them with all singers. I do my utmost best to try and seperate my emotional love for the music with their personalities. He actually gives me the good vibes, the vibes of someone who actually has in mind the safety and needs of the frontwoman of the band. He did so also before he and Tarja fell in love. You have to understand, to be the only woman on a tour with 15 + guys in a cramped bus with little room for privacy (counting the management team and the crew workers) was painfully exhausting for Tarja. The guys write about this themselves in the Nightwish biblography. Emmpu even jokes how the manager of the guys, Ewo, who we see in the documentary a lot, seemed more concerned about getting on road and throw parties - and we saw enough bottles here for a Greec wedding. An insanely toxic environment for a classically trained singer like Tarja. Her needs was often neglected in terms of security and basic necessities. Marcelo managed to change that for her. Like wise jaana hedemaki wrote above, I just think the guys simply (maybe humbly mistakenly even) failed to just come to terms wit the obvious fact that Tarja is a woman with different needs, some that stems from obvious biological ones. Bear with me on this one. Tarja was like I mentioned once even sexually assaulted on stage by a fan and had been touched inappropriately numerous times before. It pains me to say it, but Marcelo was the hero that night. He wrestled the guy away from Tarja, and was TOLD by the guys to comfort her backstage, while they continued playing. As she was traumatised they even had the nerve to ask her back to perform the rest of the show. That night, Marcelo was more of a "man" than Tuomas and the rest. In addition, Marcelo never once called Tuomas or the others any bad names, or slandered them for their heritage or cultural differences like they did. I am not even scratching the tip of the iceberg here of the things the guys did which any woman who cares about her own agency and dignity should be enough to raise their eyebrowes to the moon. It is not my intent to hurt your feelings or try to ruin your impression of the guys. I have followed your channel since the beginning, I have been quiet mostly, but I have listened during those times you so openly talked about your abuse from men, how you were looked down upon, neglected and discriminated due to your gender, and had their medieval expectations of you. In this regard, you and Tarja have A LOT in common, and the men in your life, hate to say it, a lot in common with the guys of the band. Knowing everything I know about the band, I SITLL LOVE their music, but I stay away from gloryfing their characters. Tuomas looks sad, granted. I think he looks sad because of what he is about to do, which by the time of this documentary, has already been decided unanimously by the guys to fire Tarja prematurely. Tarja is however oblivious, and this goes on for 9 whole months. To be lied for nearly an entire year, no matter how hurt the person carrying out the deed is, is still a fraction of the hurt SHE was exposed to the night after End of an Era. Again. I am not telling you to stop loving Tuomas, Marco and the rest. Infact, Marco has apologized to Tarja in person and even said in an interview that the way they handled her depature was not worth loosing a good friend. As such, Tarja was going to leave by her own accord anyway, they already hade a date sealed, it is the way it was handled that is mind-blowing. Similar to a jealous boyfriend who is hurt that his ex is leaving him for a new guy, and in the process decides to upload nude photos of her to ruin her reputation and shame her. Yes, these are two different situations, but the implication still the same. Something which should have been handled privately was not, at the expense of Tarja.
@@FemaleMetalLover I'm in love with your post. Educate them! 😎 I have to say it is little painful to read all that....maybe dealing with females or social skills were not the groups strongest points back then.It's finnish men we're talking about here, I can believe that.It may not be even now, not all people are very good with social skills it but I'm so glad that it is far in the past. They all have spouses now and I couldn't imagine for example Tuomas would let that slide if it would happen to his wife Johanna now.Times have changed also....me too movement and all that. It does give a little perspective to the things. It's not going to make me love them less, it's just interesting to know rather than basic her fault-their fault-thing people like to chant. There were no winners in this thing.And Tarja did say she didn't feel good for years but she put up with it because she loved their music or words to that affect.I'm glad Floor is used to being surrounded by men in the business plus she is quite tall, won't be so easy to mess with and I believe she has said she has never had those kind of "problems."
Finns and their body language. There's a pic on IG if you ever see it of Tony and a try hard groupie. She is wearing next to nothing and he has the most not impressed face ever lol. Sonata Arctica Tour Vids are awesome and educational since Tony puts Wiki info in them. There's 1 you'll like the European Tour with Battle Beast. Elias is outside of 2 stores and the look on his face is hilarious. Only Nightwish fans will get it.
Lovely stream. Since you're gonna read the open letter to Tarja, you might be interested in her response in a press conference where she also breaks down: th-cam.com/video/OYko9mxUJeY/w-d-xo.html
@@xydeopsycho5328 Hi Tarja hater hi! I'm sure there are some fellow haters you'll find in this fandom.But this isn't the place.As far as I've seen Jen has managed to keep herself from trashing any of the singers of Nightwish in fact she has praised them all.So it's unfortunate that you choose to do it here but your username has "psycho" in it...maybe I shouldn't be surprised.Go somewhere to praise your chosen singer instead.Nobody needs your negativity here.
They did play Planet Hell on their 2012/2013 tour. I think only for a few shows when Floor first joined them. This is a Marko heavy vocal song and it allowed Floor more time to learn the set. Maybe?
Hi, I was the one who asked if you could’ve did Breathe by LeeHi, I wanted to tell you the music video doesn’t have lyrics and the lyrics are kind of important so maybe just watch the lyric video instead, but if not that’s ok as well
I got the end of your stream today, I wanted to say: Let's hope that besides positvity there is alsoo truth 👍👍👍20/21 minutes in, A Marko Ringtone 🤣🥺🦄 Alsoo mixed feelings galore. But alsoo James Kottak, the drummer from "the Scorpions" 💪💪💪
Just today, Tuomas and Kai were on the morning show on YLE (the equivalent of BBC in Finland) to talk about the upcoming virtual gig, how Marko leaving was a black moment (but they decided to go on because they felt they had so much music still left in them) and...other stuff. I'll leave a link, but of course you'd need a VPN connection and a passable grasp of Finnish to get much out of this: areena.yle.fi/1-50836952 I'll just say that Tuomas was wearing a woollen hat indoors, which is a bit of a faux-pas for me. But maybe the studio was chilly.
Ooh! Thank you for the link! Quote of the REST OF MY LIFE:" I have a hard time imagining to continue without this band." THANK YOU, TUOMAS! There is not so much new information for the fans.But ofcourse for those who don't actively follow the band there is a lot of information. Question:" How do you continue from here?" Tuomas:"More records.More good songs.More good tours." Kai:"Exactly." I think Tuomas was wearing a Nightwish beanie made by finnish grandmoms. :)
What can I say, many fans sent to toumas to the guillotine ... For the decision he made to fire Tarja from the band when they should rather thank Marcelo that instead of being the band's manager, he looked like the Tarja's safety guard.... in the documentary it is observed how he kept her apart from the group ..... I think it was the best decision tuomas made ..... For the good of the band even if the world came to him on
as you watch the documentary look the physical distance look at the body language some people joke when they are nerves the boys warm up apart from Tarja who is with her Hubby Hubby refusing to sign. the fans poster when they are on stage which they are leading upto the end of an era the boys are dissconected from Tarja she focused on the audiance and had no idea tuomas smoking a bit more than what i am used to seeing emppu not smiling or talking first time camreas were turned off in a film to document the final 2 weeks of Tarjas time with nightwish Tuomas and dolald duck maybe do not sent him the copy regaurding interviews there may be some translation issues these countries are. not always english speaking so the wording may make things even more wacky brought family in for support as this is it
Maybe, you could react to Tarja interviewing Floor on one of your Nightwish Sundays livestreams. I think that could be fun. They seem to get along great. Annette seems to be the only one holding a grudge. Everyone else has moved on.
Marcello did not speak finnish and couldn´t understand what other people were saying. Do you laugh to what other say if you don´t understand what they are saying? You see what you see here, you hear what you hear and if that is enough for you to judge people, you are not very smart human. This is reason why I give thumb down. You think it is right to call people names? " Nobody isn´t judging anybody here..." Yeah, right.
"Marcello did not speak finnish and couldn´t understand what other people were saying." This is an important point, that people who don't know might not understand. Marcelo is from Argentina. He speaks Spanish and English, but not Finnish. If you notice the guys wait for Tarja to get away when they tell the joke and then they do it in Finnish. They knew Marcelo couldn't understand them. That was their point, they were basically mocking them behind their back. If not, why wouldn't they have said it to Tarja's face or said it in English. That's why a lot of people find the joke offensive.
@Just Jen Marko and Tarja Ava Maria 12 yrs later th-cam.com/video/-2e-PIsUXHo/w-d-xo.html Erkka the short haired guitarist being a fan boy makes me smile. Btw boot people dissing you in chat. Let them find somewhere else to be douche canoes.
I believe Tarja getting fired was a HUGE loss. Although, they now have the perfect fit with Floor (😁), Tuomas suffered immensely for letting her go (TPATP)....So many people today still hate him (😭) for that. My goal was to bring people together here, and your comment is far from just that. I won’t be removing it, simply because I want you to know that I respect the opinions of others....but there are the rare occasions where I think some are just downright mean. I don’t play when it comes to rudeness on my channel.
In addition to being a great singer, Tarja is a sweet and humble person. You can see this in the way she has always connected with fans and interviewers in general. She also demonstrates this in small acts. For example, in this documentary Tarja arranges her own clothes for the shows. She ironed her own dress. A diva, in a bad sense, would not admit to doing this kind of domestic chore. The interview Tarja gave after being fired is heartbreaking.
I agree. And she had to struggle to even have the bloody iron avalable backstage! With a little more competent manager and a tiny bit of good will, she wouldn't have had to hire her husband to take care of such things. Then she gets called a diva!
ANN WAYCHOFF'S FINAL MESSAGE TO REACTORS:
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"I have been a fan of Nightwish, Floor - all of them, for
an amount of time that seems like an eternity. But I notice
a lot of people are doing them all wrong, to me. They embrace Floor as she should be, she is what is best for Nightwish because she is so versatile. What frustrates me, is the amount of people throwing in requests for Floor.
So many people in the "Nightwish Army", or whatever, ignore
Anette and Tarja, and all the work they put into the
studio albums. Not everyone, but enough... too many
to be comfortable with.
If I was to say anything to people, to the people doing
reactions, it is to be original. You don't have to listen
to everyone and be the performing... whatever... in the
circus. You don't have to be. There is over 100 songs in
Nightwish's library, and so much studio work that goes
unnoticed that it's almost infuriating. Now don't get me
wrong, I love Floor, but Nightwish is to be experienced for
everything that it is. Tarja, Anette, Floor, Live, Studio...
it's all their history, Tuomas's work, Marko's work - everyone
in that band. Do more of the studio work while you do the
live Floor stuff. Appreciate Nightwish for everything that
it is, and don't be afraid of backlash from the other fans.
If you truly love Nightwish, then that is all that counts."
*ANN WAYCHOFF - 6/20/20*
she past away "Ann Carone Diamond Waychoff, 66, of Titusville, passed away Sunday, June 28, 2020 at UPMC Hamot."
She had no hatred towards any lead singers...
I love this. This is how I feel. Give credit to ALL 3 singers for NW!!! #RIPAnn
@@JustJenRx #RIPAnn
Never heard of Nightwish until I subbed to your channel..... I am hooked!!!
Now that’s what I’m talking about!!!! Yay!!! That’s absolutely my goal! Spread the love of Nightwish!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘 I’m so happy to read this!!!! 😃
And BINGO, at 31:20, one of the main points of friction between Tarja and the band. To do her best performance , she needed a lot of personal space and private time. As a female she wanted physical privacy away from the guys.
And the guys are living in each other's back pockets, on top of each other. Zero privacy. And let's face it, they can get crude and rough. It never occurred to them that as a female, Tarja had different needs. She felt isolated and unheard. Her husband saw an opening there and stepped in as her protector.
Which in the long run didn't help at all.
My thoughts exactly. Actually after this my respect for Marcello grew. Also felt bad and sad for Tarja for having to put up with the sometimes disgusting behaviour. However I believe that in the long run the guys have learned stg. I do not thing that Tuomas would make Johanna go through that ordeal.
@@KristiinaBerg Right! Thing is, from other films the group has done, from the early years, the guys were having a carousing good time. Getting solidly drunk, being proper young tear aways, causing trouble. Mad, bad and dangerous to know. But that's how young rock and rolly guys are. Zero grasp on the niceties of civilized behavior.
Tarja had done some proper classical training, she was a YOUNG LADY. She was raised with MANNERS.
Plus, with her method of performing, she needed to be treated like a Dresden China doll. She needed privacy to pull herself together and warm up. She needed privacy on the road. She needed her own space, her own room. Some personal safety. The guys....Nope. They just couldn't see that Tarja didn't like being treated like a fellow drunken lout. After years of being mistreated, I'm not surprise that she tumbled for the first guy to treat her with some common courtesy.
@@SandraNelson063 I wonder if Annette was suffering from sheer fatigue as well and not from bad work ethic as has been suggested. I am so glad that Marko has said farewell to alcohol for good. And I hope that the rest would do the same, simply because Finnish men and alcohol is a bad combination. This has been a truly eye opening document. So thank you Just Jen for doing it! Somehow I understand Tarja better now. Floor has a totally different physique from Tarja and Anette that makes her more resilient. And it seems that the touring schedule is now more humane.
@@SandraNelson063 I had to come back because I love this post of yours.I've known some opera (soprano) singers. And the thing is like you said:Privacy for the rehearsal, opening voice and " to pull herself together." It's not Tarja being a diva thing, which she isn't but it is to do with the fact that she is, indeed a soprano, even singing operas and she takes that seriously.So if that is seen as a diva behaviour, I don't care.A professional has to do what professional has to do.And I think that is where a young metal band life style and opera-soprano singer life style crashed.One of the things that maybe caused problems.
I think Floor can handle the guys, as she is different kind of singer and also they all are older and wiser.Lessons learned.Things have settled down.People are happier.Tarja was leaving the band anyway, it's understandable that she would want her own career and they all have their projects besides Nightwish nowadays.It's just the way that it happened that is sad.I wish the door would be open for reconciliation (?) but Tarja and Tuomas were so hurt in the end that this is one of those things that better leave it be.And so it has been since 2005.
They always tried to accommodate Tarja's female needs as much as possible. In the early days of doing clubs it wasn't always possible to have a completely separate area for her. But according to he guys she could get as bawd and rowdy as any of them with a few wines in her.
As a finn I love Tarja so much😍🇫🇮
As a Finn, 44 years old man, old fan since 1998 and a human being, I love her too 😍🇫🇮
Tuomas,Marko,Emppu,Jukka :) FI.
If you haven't already, I recommend you read the biography "Once Upon A Nightwish" It's a fascinating book that tells the story of the band's very beggings right up until Tarja's dismissal from the band.
The magic in tarja’s voice is not only her super powerfull voice, but how much fucking emotion she let you feel while she sings! This beautiful Finnish girl is the Angel of music🔥🎼
The doc is so loaded. The band's forced smiles. Tuomas completely checked out. Marcello physically putting himself between Tarja and the band.
The authorised biography 'Once Upon a Nightwish' is essential reading for any fan. Granted, it is heavily skewed in favour of the rest of the band, but it does seem to paint an honest portrait of Marcello's role in the disintegration of the relationship between Tarja and the Nightwish camp.
The book claims that no matter what money sum was offered to the band for a gig Marcello would always insist on 20% more. So the Nightwish management just started giving him the quote that was 20% LESS than what they got so he would agree to the gig. Tuomas made these feelings very well made in the song 'Master Passion Greed'.
And Tuomas explained that they made the letter public so that the fans would know exactly what was going on and it would stop the media from just printing a bunch of lies and speculation.
Can I just make an observation here? It's been said/written that Tuomas composed for Tarja's vocal style and range. Thinking about that and the powerful delivery she gives in live performances it was always going to be a hard call for future singers to measure up. Annette came into NW with a very different sound, yet performed all the loved/revered songs the fans adored to the best of her ability...for that she must be acknowledged. Floor arrived and put her own magic to the songs and performed brilliantly...still does. I can't compare the ladies...they all joined and not only took on a massive task to recreate the magical compositions of Tuomas but also add their own personal flair to each song. They should be appreciated and admired for the momentous effort that took/takes and commend their individual bodies of work within the most fantastic band in the world! Can't compare the incomparable.
I loved the Anette albums. In fact 'Dark Passion Play' is my favourite Nightwish album.
She's an incredible singer in her own right. She may not have been suited to a lot of the older material, but she sang her ass off on those records. Her vocal on 'For The Heart I Once Had' is just jaw-dropping. I'd like to see Floor do it some time.
Mike Oldfield is famous for one album, Tubular Bells on which he played every instrument and it was the first album issued by Virgin.
I want to thx you Jen and Nimwey for this amazing stream. You both are great souls. Thx thx thx 😊🤗
Awww 🥰 thank you my friend!!! 🧡🧡🧡
Wow, nobody from guys smile. It is a very sad documentry, like Metalicas, when James come in, say he go for a time, and nobody knows, why.Today, we all know. What the Band say, together after the concert. The Singer. Thats the reason the Open Letter is really not only from Tuomas.
i have to look this litle by litle coz not have time. but already thanx to great reaction and i not ever seen this document before. have lucky new week jen.
@Just Jen did just see that both conserts Lowlands 2005 and The Wishes to Eternity if you wanna react to them. Lowlands is almost the same songs as End of an era, And she is more healthy so her voice is better and more powerful
she should do Lowlands 2008 to. Anette is so good in that setting.
the most emotional moments from the concert , if you are thinking that she didn't know that it's the lasr one with Nightwish, you can say that are the songs Ever Dream, Nemo, Ghost Love score, Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan, Creek Mary;s Blood, Bless the child ( in all it's a strong message for her); when you see Empuu crying and others, when you see in the end AND THIS IS IT
Hi Jenn! You are such a beautiful soul! Alot of the peeps on your Squad are! Hope to start catching your live streams soon!
Tuesday’s, Thursday’s, Saturday’s 3-5pm EST, and NW Sunday is 2-4pm est!!! Hope to see you there!!!
Jen is just too damn cute!
Just Jen, in Finland we also have a band called Hurriganes, check them out.
The big blonde guy is Ewo (pronounced 'Evo') Nightwish's longtime manager.
You should never do this with an open letter, just do it in private. You can not expect that a person stays allways the same as a teenager for ever. She was married, her priorities changes, that is life.
I don't think it had so much to do with her being married, IMO.It had to do with that guys in the band couldn't understand what their only female member needed.Tarja struggled to have her basic needs met at the tour.Everyone else in the band had help.Each member had technical crew/ assistant or whatever to take care of things for them so that the said member could focus to do their thing for the show.For example their instruments were properly taken care of and on stage in time.What did a singer need?A microphone!Right??!!Tarja didn't have anybody.After firing she did held 90 minutes long press conference where she explained her POV. on several things.
It was just basic needs at the tour: Her own dressing room for rehearsing, changing clothes, opening voice, for privacy etc.She liked to iron her clothes but there was no equipments to do that.All those things that I bet Floor nowadays has if she needs them.Basic stuff that were forgotten or didn't exist or were last minutes thoughts for Tarja.Hence I'm questioning also band's manager's competency at that time.Also she felt lonely and misheard.She is classical singer, a soprano, so she works little different in that perspective too,She has her own methods to get ready for the show. Also the band's touring schedule was BRUTAL for a soprano, she felt exhausted.Also there was some other UNFORTUNATE things that happened for her but I'm just mentioning a few.
Guys were living a rockn' roll life with whatever social skills and understanding of females they had at that time.They didn't need as much privacy, I guess.Maybe this all led to the thing that Tarja had to hire her husband as her manager to run things for her, making sure there was a dressing room etc.The rest of the band didn't like her husband and I'm sure they had their reasons.Tuomas was very angry and as we know shit hit the fan like never before in NW's history and hopefully never does again. Tarja put up with A LOT OF shit.But she loved their music that why she did it.She was leaving a band anyway in future.She wanted a solo career.So she wasn't going to be permanent member anyway.Members tend to come and go in a bands.They have individual needs.
Keep in mind this was A LONG time ago.Things have changed since.But it really all comes down to basic communication, respecting your band mate and it's obvious nobody in the band asked Tarja:" How's the heart?" like they do nowadays.Hehe! Anyway: Tuomas has said that if Floor ever leaves NW that'll be the end of the band.That's sensitive, introvert musical genius talking, IMO.So I bet they listen better her needs and wishes.Also people are more mature and times have changed in general.It was a major screw up from NW's part, IMO. Time is merciful in this case, I'm sorry Tarja had to take that hit back then.I'm also really glad that Floor is now the singer.She can stand her ground in the band, things have settled down.And I know Tarja agrees that Floor is lovely.This band has SURVIVED AND THRIVED.
I don’t judge Tuomas for doing what he thought was best for the band, but l don’t think it should have been an open letter. It should have been done privately between the band and Tarja, and then release a statement to the fans, of their decision. Then maybe a reunion, at some point, could have been possible. I don’t blame Tarja for wanting to make a name for herself, she’s amazing, and l don’t blame her husband for supporting her and helping her achieve her dreams. In the end, both bands are thriving. Nightwish has an amazing singer, the wonderful Floor Jansen, and Tarja is doing her thing and killing it! ❤️
You should checkout Tarja’s press conference, after her dismissal, to see just how heartbroken she was. She’s absolutely not a “Diva”. She also wrote an ‘open letter’ response to the band. Check it all out, if you want to get both sides of the story.
I think you’re right. That letter should’ve been kept between them. I feel the same way, I haven’t read that letter yet. But we will be reading it on my Nightwish Sunday stream. I believe we will get to it this Sunday.
hi i am at least 2 month late i was there for this livestream and other end of an era reactions i wanted to watch this at least 3 or more times to confirm just notcied that Tuomas sings along with the lead singer but in this last consert he did sing but only with Marco when Tarja sang he kept his mouth closed and there is an overall disconnect from the boys and Tarja she loved / still loves fans and that was her focus
I was watching this stream.I was afraid that when Jen started calling Tarja's husband names that it's going to go trashing Tarja next.Luckily that didn't happen.Also I don't see how Tarja's husband should have enjoyed the foreskin joke.That was tasteless.This was uncomfortable to watch at some points for obvious reasons.Seems to me that the guys didn't quite understood Tarja's needs at the time and added to that they didn't like her husband.Recipe for disaster.I also didn't understand why Marcelo had to be there in the first place and he may have been the master passion greed but he is still by her side +20 years later so he obviously has her best interest in mind.But I don't think he should have been involved in Nightwish business anyway at that time.
Some say Tarja is a diva.She's anything but from all I've seen about her.The press conference after the firing was heartbreaking.I hated them all for being such cowards and back stabbing her the way they did. I don't care what she or Marcelo did to the band.That was not the way you fire your band mate of many years.I'm surprised that none of these grown ass men couldn't think that it was a BAD IDEA fire her like that.And obviously no PR persons around to stop that mess from happening.And we all know Tuomas paid the ultimate prize for that.Also I read somewhere that much later Marko has said that it was not worth of losing a good friend (meaning Tarja.)
Everything were left hanging without conclusion and still are.Yeah, it happened long time ago but for some new(ish) fans like myself it's really sad because I know Tarja and Floor like each other and they are both at the top of their games.Imagine Tarja visiting Nightwish singing with Floor their hits. Imagine Tarja and Tuomas healing their relationship and what could have come out of it...It's water under the bridge and they don't care anymore and have moved on I know. Still it made my little fangirl heart little happy and sad at the same time seeing Floor and Tarja happily chatting and knowing Tarja and Tuomas could never do that. Ultimately I'm just angry at myself that I wasn't a fan all those years ago, so that I could experience it before it got bad.Now it's just bittersweet every time I see those old videos.
Luckily Nightwish came out of that and evolved as a band.It's all good in the end. The band will survive as long as Tuomas keeps it going and if he ever thinks about quitting somebody needs to tell him NO! They were close to quitting when Marko left but decided to keep going still. I remember when Tuomas wasn't about to make music videos (he was bored with them) for Human Nature but Floor persuaded him.And then they made "NOISE." I don't know what it was that convinced him to continue this time..I know Tuomas has said he has still stories to tell...or words to that affect. Floor seems to have a good head on her shoulders and she might have some influence over Tuomas...After all... about "Noise" Tuomas was like:"Ok darling if you want...." 😃 And Floor doesn't seem like a quitter (?) Tuomas seems like a sensitive person so he needs somebody to tell him if he ever thinks about ending the band again.Because the band needs to be going 'till the end of times.Please and thank you. ♥
I agree with many of your points.
Why should he think the forskin joke funny? Its a sex joke on his wife, at their expense. Does not make him a narcisist for that.
Also I think People need context. We see in the video how many of the fans are VERY touchy and invade their private space repeatedly, one fan grabbing Marcos beard even.
That is mild campared to what Tarja was exposed to. She was sexually assaulted on stege by a fan one time , her current husband was the guy that came to her rescue, and he and Tarja did not know each other by that time. In addition, she would often be grouped. Thus, him doing his job as her manager and stickning by her side, also as a protective husband is not strange at all. We see Ewo, the guys' manager also present thoughout.
@@FemaleMetalLover Oh!It's you.I've seen your posts around and I always like reading them.I think they are informative and somewhat objective to the subject in hand.You are not just a cheerleader of a certain singer, you like the band. That's my feeling anyway. 😁 Do you know why Tarja needed her own manager when the band already had Ewo?I know she was planning her solo career.Also that is horrible if you are sexually assaulted and you don't get any help, except from a stranger.I'm a die hard fan of this band but I have no problems calling a shitty behaviour out if there is that...Well...band seems to be more settled down now...Maybe it has something to do with age...😁 But as I'm finnish I have a soft spot for Tarja and in general I can't stand those cheerleaders in this fandom who need to pit them against each other, Floor and Tarja.I don't think they are fans of the band, they are just cheerleaders of a singer. Nightwish fans don't do that shit.That's my theory and I'm sticking with it. 😄 Who's better Jukka or Kai??!! 🙄 It's annoying.They are both more than capable drummers for the band.There is no competiton, never have been. But the need to compare and pit members against each other is overwhelming in this fandom.I already fear the shit new bassist is going to get because he is not Marko.🙄
Also I have a blind spot for Anette because I wasn't a fan of the band at the time when she was in the band and I just found the band in the end of 2019.I always knew they existed but didn't really pay attention and after they fired Tarja...I REALLY didn't care....but Tarja's Nemo was always at the back of my mind...and 2019 I decided to watch Nemo music video and after that check how the band is doing so....here we are. 😀 Nice "meeting" you, by the way. I enjoy reading something else than "Floor is a valkyrie goddess from valhalla" or "Tarja is the queen, there is no Nightwish without her" or some other one liners which has very little to offer to the discussion.
@@FemaleMetalLover he gives me bad vibes. That’s just my opinion. A ton of people agree....Some don’t, and I’m totally okay with that. I’m very good at reading people, I have a sixth sense for exactly that. He’s been known to do much worse than what we’ve seen here. I will crack jokes when I can, to lighten the mood. It’s fine that you don’t agree with me. That’s exactly what I want, I want people to have their own opinions. I’m basing what I say off of what I’ve witnessed with my own eyes. You can clearly see the pain Tuomas is carrying. You can feel it! Well, I can anyways. I can feel the pain coming off of him. Especially when he places his hands over his face. The sadness radiates off of him. Then again, those are just my feelings. I believe that I am an empath, and I will never change that about myself. I simply cannot change that. And I don’t want to either. It’s kept me from getting into a lot of trouble. Only one ever conned me. And that will never be spoken of again. Cheers 🥂 hope to see you in more streams. It’s always a pleasure having you here with us.
@@JustJenRx Jen I humbly respect your opinion, I am not purposefully trying to make you look bad. There are two sides to every story, and this documentary is recorded and edited from one, as was the Open Letter. Watching the stream it was easy however to see that you watched it with a critcal lense on Marcelo and Tarja. Please, bear with me here.
I am saying that we should not throw out judgements so lightly about people we know little about, or from impression based off on accusations from their adversary, thats simply just unfair. I understand however that it is NOT EASY, how could it with such amazing, beautiful songs like Poet And the Pendelum?
" He’s been known to do much worse than what we’ve seen here." May I ask what?
I love the band, I discovered them when I was 10 years old in 2000, have travelled multiple countries to see them with all singers. I do my utmost best to try and seperate my emotional love for the music with their personalities.
He actually gives me the good vibes, the vibes of someone who actually has in mind the safety and needs of the frontwoman of the band. He did so also before he and Tarja fell in love. You have to understand, to be the only woman on a tour with 15 + guys in a cramped bus with little room for privacy (counting the management team and the crew workers) was painfully exhausting for Tarja. The guys write about this themselves in the Nightwish biblography. Emmpu even jokes how the manager of the guys, Ewo, who we see in the documentary a lot, seemed more concerned about getting on road and throw parties - and we saw enough bottles here for a Greec wedding. An insanely toxic environment for a classically trained singer like Tarja. Her needs was often neglected in terms of security and basic necessities. Marcelo managed to change that for her. Like wise jaana hedemaki wrote above, I just think the guys simply (maybe humbly mistakenly even) failed to just come to terms wit the obvious fact that Tarja is a woman with different needs, some that stems from obvious biological ones.
Bear with me on this one.
Tarja was like I mentioned once even sexually assaulted on stage by a fan and had been touched inappropriately numerous times before. It pains me to say it, but Marcelo was the hero that night. He wrestled the guy away from Tarja, and was TOLD by the guys to comfort her backstage, while they continued playing. As she was traumatised they even had the nerve to ask her back to perform the rest of the show. That night, Marcelo was more of a "man" than Tuomas and the rest. In addition, Marcelo never once called Tuomas or the others any bad names, or slandered them for their heritage or cultural differences like they did. I am not even scratching the tip of the iceberg here of the things the guys did which any woman who cares about her own agency and dignity should be enough to raise their eyebrowes to the moon. It is not my intent to hurt your feelings or try to ruin your impression of the guys. I have followed your channel since the beginning, I have been quiet mostly, but I have listened during those times you so openly talked about your abuse from men, how you were looked down upon, neglected and discriminated due to your gender, and had their medieval expectations of you. In this regard, you and Tarja have A LOT in common, and the men in your life, hate to say it, a lot in common with the guys of the band. Knowing everything I know about the band, I SITLL LOVE their music, but I stay away from gloryfing their characters.
Tuomas looks sad, granted. I think he looks sad because of what he is about to do, which by the time of this documentary, has already been decided unanimously by the guys to fire Tarja prematurely. Tarja is however oblivious, and this goes on for 9 whole months. To be lied for nearly an entire year, no matter how hurt the person carrying out the deed is, is still a fraction of the hurt SHE was exposed to the night after End of an Era. Again. I am not telling you to stop loving Tuomas, Marco and the rest. Infact, Marco has apologized to Tarja in person and even said in an interview that the way they handled her depature was not worth loosing a good friend. As such, Tarja was going to leave by her own accord anyway, they already hade a date sealed, it is the way it was handled that is mind-blowing. Similar to a jealous boyfriend who is hurt that his ex is leaving him for a new guy, and in the process decides to upload nude photos of her to ruin her reputation and shame her. Yes, these are two different situations, but the implication still the same. Something which should have been handled privately was not, at the expense of Tarja.
@@FemaleMetalLover I'm in love with your post. Educate them! 😎 I have to say it is little painful to read all that....maybe dealing with females or social skills were not the groups strongest points back then.It's finnish men we're talking about here, I can believe that.It may not be even now, not all people are very good with social skills it but I'm so glad that it is far in the past. They all have spouses now and I couldn't imagine for example Tuomas would let that slide if it would happen to his wife Johanna now.Times have changed also....me too movement and all that. It does give a little perspective to the things. It's not going to make me love them less, it's just interesting to know rather than basic her fault-their fault-thing people like to chant.
There were no winners in this thing.And Tarja did say she didn't feel good for years but she put up with it because she loved their music or words to that affect.I'm glad Floor is used to being surrounded by men in the business plus she is quite tall, won't be so easy to mess with and I believe she has said she has never had those kind of "problems."
Porto Alegre is in Brazil too :)
Finns and their body language. There's a pic on IG if you ever see it of Tony and a try hard groupie. She is wearing next to nothing and he has the most not impressed face ever lol.
Sonata Arctica Tour Vids are awesome and educational since Tony puts Wiki info in them.
There's 1 you'll like the European Tour with Battle Beast. Elias is outside of 2 stores and the look on his face is hilarious. Only Nightwish fans will get it.
Had to miss the stream 😭, being a second year university student is hard 😅 but I’ll watch it back as soon as I can 🤘
Lovely stream. Since you're gonna read the open letter to Tarja, you might be interested in her response in a press conference where she also breaks down: th-cam.com/video/OYko9mxUJeY/w-d-xo.html
Very true tears to me. That is difficult to pretend. She was hurt and shocked. I absolutely love Tuomas, but I do hope he would reconcile with Tarja.
@@xydeopsycho5328 Hi Tarja hater hi! I'm sure there are some fellow haters you'll find in this fandom.But this isn't the place.As far as I've seen Jen has managed to keep herself from trashing any of the singers of Nightwish in fact she has praised them all.So it's unfortunate that you choose to do it here but your username has "psycho" in it...maybe I shouldn't be surprised.Go somewhere to praise your chosen singer instead.Nobody needs your negativity here.
Kiitos from Finland :)
They did play Planet Hell on their 2012/2013 tour. I think only for a few shows when Floor first joined them. This is a Marko heavy vocal song and it allowed Floor more time to learn the set. Maybe?
Hi, I was the one who asked if you could’ve did Breathe by LeeHi, I wanted to tell you the music video doesn’t have lyrics and the lyrics are kind of important so maybe just watch the lyric video instead, but if not that’s ok as well
I got the end of your stream today, I wanted to say: Let's hope that besides positvity there is alsoo truth 👍👍👍20/21 minutes in, A Marko Ringtone 🤣🥺🦄 Alsoo mixed feelings galore. But alsoo James Kottak, the drummer from "the Scorpions" 💪💪💪
Just today, Tuomas and Kai were on the morning show on YLE (the equivalent of BBC in Finland) to talk about the upcoming virtual gig, how Marko leaving was a black moment (but they decided to go on because they felt they had so much music still left in them) and...other stuff. I'll leave a link, but of course you'd need a VPN connection and a passable grasp of Finnish to get much out of this: areena.yle.fi/1-50836952
I'll just say that Tuomas was wearing a woollen hat indoors, which is a bit of a faux-pas for me. But maybe the studio was chilly.
Ooh! Thank you for the link! Quote of the REST OF MY LIFE:" I have a hard time imagining to continue without this band." THANK YOU, TUOMAS! There is not so much new information for the fans.But ofcourse for those who don't actively follow the band there is a lot of information.
Question:" How do you continue from here?"
Tuomas:"More records.More good songs.More good tours."
Kai:"Exactly."
I think Tuomas was wearing a Nightwish beanie made by finnish grandmoms. :)
@@jaanahedemaki6993 Okay. Gramma beanies are allowed indoors.
Ever wondered how NW would sound if Tuomas never met Emppu, Tarja, Jukka etc.? Listen to this: Timo Rautiainen - Hiljaisen Talven Lapsi and u'll know
Only that, if Tuomas never founded NW, he would have probably continued his studies and be sea biologist atm.
No one's gonna read this anymore but where's the second part? I'm totally confused.
Such a shame they dropped Planet Hell from the setlist a long time ago, we should start a petition to bring it back i think. :-) Love the song.
There's a video of them doing it with Floor, sounds awesome
Such a vast discography they have now.
I endorse this statement
@@NeeceLoneWolf I’m going to have to do that reaction!!!!!
What can I say, many fans sent to toumas to the guillotine ... For the decision he made to fire Tarja from the band when they should rather thank Marcelo that instead of being the band's manager, he looked like the
Tarja's safety guard.... in the documentary it is observed how he kept her apart from the group ..... I think it was the best decision tuomas made ..... For the good of the band even if the world came to him on
I remember John Two Hawks gave Tuomas an Indian name before Nemo album...
You mean John Allen Hill, the guys who plays the role of a native American in the End of an Era concert?
Tarja had quit traveling with the band, she would go separately with her husband. It's one of the things that annoyed the band.
Hello Jen,Hey when you do Leo version of Kiss I was made for loving you you’ll see Leo shirtless!
Just Jen😘 I busy😎 sory😪 good live♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
JUKKA 🙏🏻🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
I don’t think the band disliked Tarja but the situation went out of hand. Still, 4Me, no one can replace her. ❤️❤️❤️
as you watch the documentary look the physical distance look at the body language
some people joke when they are nerves
the boys warm up apart from Tarja who is with her Hubby
Hubby refusing to sign. the fans poster
when they are on stage which they are leading upto the end of an era the boys are dissconected from Tarja she focused on the audiance and had no idea
tuomas smoking a bit more than what i am used to seeing
emppu not smiling or talking
first time camreas were turned off in a film to document the final 2 weeks of Tarjas time with nightwish
Tuomas and dolald duck
maybe do not sent him the copy
regaurding interviews there may be some translation issues these countries are. not always english speaking so the wording may make things even more wacky
brought family in for support as this is it
Maybe, you could react to Tarja interviewing Floor on one of your Nightwish Sundays livestreams. I think that could be fun. They seem to get along great. Annette seems to be the only one holding a grudge. Everyone else has moved on.
Please could you review a new band called Sleep Token? Would love to know your thoughts
Hi Jen you must do a reaction to Leo frog leap studios for his Poker Face song 🤘🤘
JOKE AT 15:00 = BIDE ( TOILET / REST ROOM ), FIN JOKE - JOE BIDE, From JOE BIDEN - THE TOILET GUY ( PLUMBER ) -
Marcello did not speak finnish and couldn´t understand what other people were saying. Do you laugh to what other say if you don´t understand what they are saying? You see what you see here, you hear what you hear and if that is enough for you to judge people, you are not very smart human. This is reason why I give thumb down. You think it is right to call people names?
" Nobody isn´t judging anybody here..." Yeah, right.
"Marcello did not speak finnish and couldn´t understand what other people were saying."
This is an important point, that people who don't know might not understand. Marcelo is from Argentina. He speaks Spanish and English, but not Finnish. If you notice the guys wait for Tarja to get away when they tell the joke and then they do it in Finnish. They knew Marcelo couldn't understand them. That was their point, they were basically mocking them behind their back. If not, why wouldn't they have said it to Tarja's face or said it in English. That's why a lot of people find the joke offensive.
More NF try the mansions album first then the therapy session album then the perception album then the search album
@Just Jen Marko and Tarja Ava Maria 12 yrs later th-cam.com/video/-2e-PIsUXHo/w-d-xo.html
Erkka the short haired guitarist being a fan boy makes me smile.
Btw boot people dissing you in chat. Let them find somewhere else to be douche canoes.
Ukko over God, I pray you, give to Jen a chair 10-15 cm higher.
"Ukko" is the ancient god of the Finns ... as is Tor the Viking god...
Onky Jukka is my spirit animal. Yiz
You talk too much
The foreskin joke says it all
It is a sign of disrespect for both Tarja and Marcello. But I do think that the guys have grown up.
Yeah it’s just a joke. I thought it was pretty funny given it broke up the tension that was clearly present in that hallway.
Basically Tuomas and band fired tarja after end of an era tour? In the long run it was the best thing to do for Nightwish and for Tarja. Peace.
I believe Tarja getting fired was a HUGE loss. Although, they now have the perfect fit with Floor (😁), Tuomas suffered immensely for letting her go (TPATP)....So many people today still hate him (😭) for that. My goal was to bring people together here, and your comment is far from just that. I won’t be removing it, simply because I want you to know that I respect the opinions of others....but there are the rare occasions where I think some are just downright mean. I don’t play when it comes to rudeness on my channel.
@@JustJenRx Well said!
@@JustJenRx I am sorry Jen I did not mean to sound so negative. I edited my comment to show my feelings. Peace