@ absolutely none.. it still has factory brakes pads/rotors.. I change oil about every 8k (it’s on third set of tires, and two headlight bulbs) other than that it’s been oil changes 8k transmission oil every 65k rear axle oil 140k.. it’s been amazing
@ just for a general Input.. I have bought sprinters, Promaster sand transits brand new, I even owned Mercedes T3’s (predecessor to sprinter).. and for the American market the Transit is best by far…. The sprinter is built better, rear axle is farther back on long body, so better load balance/handling. Promaster is lower load height and square load space, transit has wind noise around doors and is “gappy”.. but the bottom line is.. Merced are insanely expensive to repair and maintain any some basic maintenance spares can have your vehicle off the road for months waiting for parts from Germany an oil change is $300 if you can ever get it scheduled. The ram Promaster is a front wheel drive fiat, which means no rear end weight, so its traction is horrid, it can lose traction on dry grass if van is carrying light loads. Maintainable and spares are easy to find but the transmission is a 60,000 mile unit. No matter how well you treat it, it’s throw away mechanics.. the transit is best bang for the buck, the large bodies can have difficulty getting oil changes at some dealerships, but at most I drive in and out with little waiting…… in short.. the transit is the best van at cost per mile ease or repairs, availability of spares, and every car care center can work on them, and every car spares shop knows a guy that can have you going in hours no matter where in the country you are.
I've heard that same thing about Sprinters, the vans might be close to the same price but the cost of repair is crazy in comparison when things do go wrong. Great insights on the Promaster as well, I never thought about mentioning the standard FWD and the effect when carrying heavier loads. Thanks for the great feedback!
Thanks! There are a ton of features that aren't overly clean on Ford's website. These are some useful ones to check out as well: Transit steering wheel and cluster - th-cam.com/video/QnlVLiCUZ7o/w-d-xo.html Ford Transit Sync4 - th-cam.com/video/D5-fhO3hq2g/w-d-xo.html
Yes you do want the larger sync 4 screen and system, much easier to use and see backup camera. Also agree with inserting the key, the hardest I have had to work to get key into ignition.
Our Transit 350 high roof, extended length, single wheel, rwd, with Eco boost engine, empty, driving speed limits mostly on interstates (70 mph max), a/c on, we had 17 mpg average. Our van with the RV package and Sync 4 system was 3 months delivery in 2024
Not easily.. the larger screens have different modules. Ford isn’t selling the Sync4 screen by itself yet either so you’d have to try eBay or a scrap yard and then have it programmed to your VIN
Another information-packed review, Steve. I actually found this review quite interesting, although I don't know that I'd ever be in the market to buy a Transit van. I understand back in the 1960's and 1970's, Ford Transit vans were the vehicle of choice for struggling garage bands to make it to performance gigs (at least in the UK, according to Top Gear.)
@@CarsWithSteve Wow! I had no idea I was engaging in brainstorming. But I'm glad to be service! I think you need to do a review on a C8 Corvette next. 😁
I remember a few months back you had mentioned the history of another vehicle and it didn't really click. But when you mentioned it this time I read the comment differently and think that having a bit of history could be neat! I like the idea of a Corvette at some point! I'm starting to book more GM press vehicles so hoping that one is on the list for me at some point
@@CarsWithSteve I'm pretty sure that was the Chevy Nova, and why it didn't sell in Spanish-speaking countries. Interesting lesson in understanding how to market a product in non-English speaking locations. As I recall, it was comparable to Kia using a product name that sounds like the emperor who fiddled while Rome burned.
If it takes a year to get one of these, does your 2024 order get a depreciation deduction in 2025 when you pick it up?? Blue book value is calculated by age of vehicles.
If it gets pushed by an extended time it’ll typically roll into a build for the next model year. Happens with vehicles that are popular and assembly plant can’t keep up
What you forgot to mention is that if ordered vehicle is not received in time and it rolls to next production year, the buyer will pay the new higher price(as MSRP goes up every year), even though buyer signed and put a deposit for previous year and obviously expected to pay a lower MSRP.
From the date we placed our order (7/30/22), to the date we took delivery (8/4/23), of our 2023 - 250 cargo van. V-6 turbo " Eco-Boost", 148" standard body, med roof, lg. monitor screen, cargo & rear door windows, cloth swivel seats w/folding armrest, (note: drive/passanger door MUST be opened to fully swivel each seat), larger ctr console, standard pwr. mirrors, dual alternator, dual bat, lighted mirrors (both visors) lane assist, advanced/assisted cruise control, street sign recognition, back-up & parking assist, larger 31 gal fuel cell and trailer package. (ultimately: we wanted All The Whistles & Bells, but to get certain features, it forced us to canceled out other individual selected features)... It took us: 1 year & 5 days from order to delivery. Intend to build into a partial camper conversion for self & service dog. Overhead (driver/pass) shelf, rear cargo floor & wall covering, aux switches, we're All NOT Available. Ultimately: if being ordered as a cargo van, many Ford "passanger van features" would VOID (aka: Not Be Available) to add-on as additional option onto a cargo van platform. NOTE: One point I was not informed about when we placed our special order ... requiring the use of the HVAC, the motor Will SHUT-OFF after 30 minutes. (I eventually found a way to circumvent this issue). The dealership (specialized in special orders for fleet accounts) was aware this van would be used to accommodate a service dog, they made no mention. (pretty sure "they" were not aware of this issue themselves). OVERALL: (almost a year later): Very Pleased with the: performance, ride and a 14 to 21 mpg fuel economy. A little bit of a challenge to maintain at freeway speeds when cross-winds are present. (still glad we didn't get the HIGH roof, or the 350 w/duallies). "🐾&👣"
@@kenvasilik3730 Thanks for the info, I don't think dealers really know what is happening in KC. Any special order can take up 1.5 years, which is ridiculous. I've been told AWD, 12" Sync, overhead shelf, outfitters wires are the problem, I need all of these. Ford you need to step up your Transit game, literally WTF?
My 2024 2500 does 14.8 mpg, which is better than my Ram 1500 at 13.5 mpg. Both engines are base models. The Ram pings and has low power. The Ford is very quick and very smooth. I have the same payload of tools on both except with the addition of a camper build, which so far is just two Ikea beds and cabinets. Hope this helps and everyone gets their van of choice.
Really appreciate the real world numbers here! What's the rest of your spec (low, med, high roof, length etc), and what weight do you typically have in your Transit?
@CarsWithSteve it's a medium roof 2500 regular wheels base. I figure about 500 lbs in it. I doubt I will put 1000 lbs in it. I will carry water and gray tanks which should push it towards 2000 pounds but if I go empty most of my trip (5 or 10 gallons) The mpg shouldn't change. Regards,
Pretty much.. there are some features that are standard in the Passenger van that are optional in the cargo van but otherwise.. they're the exact same!
The AWD Transit system is adapted from the Explorer so it'll use a single speed transfer case.. I'll make sure to add in some more shots underneath in the 2025 video
Good luck trying to buy one right now. Two dealers have told me anywhere between 6 months to one year with an incredible $6875 markup on top of A $60,000 price price tag at 7% interest.
Transit vans have always been tough to find an unsold in stock unit. Depending on the build 6 -12 months sounds about right.. but I never recommend paying above MSRP. If a dealer ever says that, run and connect with a high volume dealer that will sell at MSRP
I am located up in Alaska and that's part of the reason for the extra markup. Based on a few more reviews I think I'm going to steer clear of the transit. Build quality seems to be really awful, and there was one that was less than 5 years old that was already rusting. The guy also showed where the water from the windshield was dripping directly onto a wiring harness and computer. Nice. AC lines are Routed close to the tires, just bad design stuff. For 60 grand, seems like quality is really subpar. And then Ford is notorious for trying to get out of warranty work. I remember so many people having issues with the spark plugs popping out of their engine and Ford would not pay. Like it's our fault they only put three threads into the head to hold a spark plug. Overall, quality has gone way way down with Ford. I would love to see Toyota make a high roof van.
To be fair.. seeing one 5 year old Transit with some rust is a bit anecdotal. There's no way to tell if the person ever washed their vehicle, what conditions they were driving in, if there were scrapes, dings etc that would lead to rust happening quicker... Ford sells hundreds of thousands of these every year and if you compare that with the number of NHTSA complaints, most people probably wouldn't agree with these claims. Having said that.. it would be interesting to see Toyota try to tackle a cargo van as the only other options are the more expensive to maintain Mercedes Sprinter and as tough to find Ram ProMaster
For wait times and cost, I'm lucky enough to have 5 Ford dealers within a 30 minute drive and all were willing to deal at least a little bit. I ordered in mid-May, got a notice in late June that the factory scheduled a build date for late July, and I expect to take delivery mid-September. This is a 130" WB, 250, Low Roof, with Sync 4 and several other specific options. Obviously you're in a different situation in Alaska and I feel for you. I also cross-shopped a ProMaster until I realized that it has the same powertrain as my Town and Country which is starting to wear out after 10 years and 80K miles of hauling around 700 pounds of gear daily. I realize the T&C wasn't intended for that use (though I'm well within the 1400 pound payload capacity), but if the PM has the same motor and driveline I don't have faith it would be up to the challenge anymore than the T&C was. Just sharing my experience.
One needs only do a TH-cam search on Ford Transit issues. The title of the one that I looked at was "2015-2022 Ford Transit review, 5 major problems" There are a number of other videos. Fit and finish is a very big issue and very small oil passages in their engine is another big one that can lead to catastrophic engine failure. Once again, if Toyota ever comes to the market with a high roof van I think they are going to knock it out of the park. And I have heard some absolute horror stories about the late model Mercedes Benz. It seemed like the early 2000 to 2006 T1N engines were Incredible and the one to own. After 2007 and DEF fluid and Other emission controls caused all kinds of problems, EGR related issues, etc. Anyway, my local Ford dealer here never even called me back. And the next closest one at 350 miles away in Anchorage was telling me about a year for delivery on top of their nearly $7000 markup, and zero negotiation on price. Who pays more than MSRP? Thanks, but no thanks Ford. I have a 2006 Chevy cargo van 3500, and I am not trading it in at any time soon. I've done a few things to it but nothing major or out of the ordinary for the mileage.
@@CarsWithSteve Order was placed 08/06. Build is scheduled by Ford for week of 09/16. Transit T350 Mid roof, mid length, AWD, Ecoboost, Sync 4 nav, HD tow pkg, black HIDs. fogs, 31g tank, 360 camera, dual batts, aux fuel port
I hadn't heard of Field Van but just scoped out their website. They have some great camper builds! If you end up shooting a video or some pics of your finished build, I'd love to see it
I am looking for a ford transit or any cargo van, except for the Mercedes Sprinter, that offers the possibility to have a 2nd row for passenger (3 passengers) and to get the bulkhead installed behind the 2nd row. Does it exist and if not, is it something that be custom built?
There are different seat configurations that are available, with either a three seat 1st row bench or two 1st and two 2nd row seats. The bulkhead will have to be installed aftermarket but it's definitely doable!
The cargo van does technically have a seating matrix for 3 seats in the front so it is available from the factory. Aftermarket should be doable from most transport approved upfitters too!
There currently isn't a hybrid powertrain for the Transit and 2025 announcements haven't been made yet. But having said that, you can definitely custom order an EV Transit or regular gas version!
The problem with listing all recalls for brands is that recalls are generally for builds during specific dates, so if there's a recall on a 2022 Transit it might only be for low or high roof, RWD, Passenger vans and not for cargo vans as well. NHTSA is the way to go to see active recalls though
I got a transit 350 'bus' when my last van died. Needed it for deliveries and.....the bus was NOT my choice but the only option >.< Found that the MPG was good enough that I actually got rid of my suv and just drove the bus even after changing jobs. LOL! Looks goofy as hell driving around in a bus as an everyday driver......but at 20+ mpg when my suv barely had 10.....Yea I'll take the goofy looks and the snickering behind my back :P
Right?! That's one of my biggest complaints on the eTransit as well. Range absolutely has to be improved for more businesses to look at it as a serious option
Spot on. At 66 I’ve been breathing diesel fumes since I could reach the clutch pedal on our farm tractors. In the 50 past years I’ve had the opportunity to work with both diesel/electric and pure electric drive systems (military, railroad). When Ford announced the E-Transit I was excited to replace my ‘01 E350 7.3 powerstroke. When I saw that it had the same size battery as my wife’s Tesla model Y I was shocked. What the hell market did Jim Farley think he was going to serve with that dinky battery? I’m retired and had planned on towing a camper cross country so a 200KW battery with a TESLA NAC charging port is a must. Now they’re trying to practically give those things away because no one wants them.
I called 3 ford dealerships: Morristown tn knocksville tn and atlanta ga. Trying to ask amd learn a few things. Relevant things like standard engine size for the 11000 lb rated version. And simply if i want the 14' box on a cutaway(which i do) does ford make the actual box? None couldn't tell me anything and none returned any calls or text with them assuring me they would find out.tisk... Ill still buy a fleet of 10 when i can but it might be from Illinois or Kalamazoo...who knows 😅 The 11'th one will be just a regular van the cooporate one i use😎🥸😁 with awd. Shop weasel
Unfortunate that you didn't hear back and that the people you connected with weren't much help. The box is typically done by an unfitter aftermarket. Usually with fleet orders they'll bring in the cutaway and deliver to the upfitter who will make any necessary installs before delivering it back to the dealership for you
@@CarsWithSteve thanks for the response. I'm sort of unfamiliar with up fitter.so the price will exclude a base price with said box? But a cost affective contractor doing it on behalf of Ford? Thanks if you know. Best regards Jason Yeh I'm not put off by any means by others business practices.😂 I'm gonna get me some..LOL
anytime! The Transit is a tough one to learn so it doesn't surprise me you didn't hear back right away. Upfitters can do a lot to builds. Think ambulances, security trucks, armoured vehicles etc. Usually either the upfitter will buy a number of cutaways or chassis Transits or SuperDuty trucks and then build them and sell direct or the customer orders and it's sent to the upfitter before being delivered to the customer. The Upfitter wouldn't be contracted by Ford but usually referred by the dealership or one you find
You did a great job on this video . Unfortunately, I looked at and searched Ford and Ram Promaster. Lot of complaints on both sides. They are both junk Too bad Toyota doesn't have a big size cargo van.
You have to take number of units sold into account when you look at complaints. Ford sells hundreds of thousands of these worldwide every year.. even 1,000 complaints a year is less than 0.5% of vehicles sold. Could issues happen in either van? Sure.. But when owners actually keep up on regular maintenance and not overload their vehicles they are great vans
I’ve been looking at the Ford transit, but in reality, I want the pro master I just like the body style, but Dodge has taken away all the options. Most importantly, the RV package in order to get the things I want I have to do all aftermarket. And Mercedes I’m just plain and simple priced out 🙄
There was another comment from someone who has owned all 3 vans and always comes back to the Transit for the exact reasons you mentioned here too! If you aren't in a rush.. do a factory order to get exactly what you're after
5% yoy increase in USA and a bit over 10% in Canada.. higher for sure but the demand has surged like crazy. Fleet or being a good negotiator is the way to go
Ці фургони можуть бути досить дорогими залежно від того, як ви їх сконструювали. Я здивований, що в Transit більше немає дизельного двигуна в Північній Америці, але, ймовірно, ми знову побачимо електричний двигун великої дальності перед дизельним
You still can see the dash in daylight, and you can't read any digital lights in that miserable blue led lighting. E-transit has 100 mile range, very limited.
The eTransit range is pretty brutal right now.. but 112 miles in the high roof up to 126 in the low roof is ok to start. Hopefully Ford gets it closer to the 300 mile range in the next few years for drivers who are on the road more
Labour is wrapped in there as well. With the rise of delivery businesses because of e-Commerce I can't see the prices going down anytime soon.. Always the option to get fleet pricing if you have more than 5 vehicles or look for a high volume dealer that is opening to selling closer to cost
Why does it sound unbelievable a build can add 2 years off one minor option? I mean its a huge factory building these. As i mentioned in my other post i will have a fleet of these. I dont want my drivers blairing a party GOING down the road. Is there options like radio volume lockout i can manage? Id like the ideal of limiting the volume a employee can attain let them hear the music to.pass the time but keeping them focused on there job is a big concern. Thanks....hint hint. Might as well go full atilla:a dual lockout so when the company calls it's a different volume so we don't get that:I can't hear you faker snideness these subordinate's try to go super genius on you with. 😅
I was surprised that it would be 2 years for a screen that Ford is moving to for more of their vehicles. Most Ford vehicles have the option for something called MyKey, which lets you set certain limitations for each fob. I believe that max audio is one of those settings
I drive a gas one of these for work and I have so many complaints on this thing. It's brand new and my 2018 diesel transit that I gave up was better. On this new one all 6 cup holders are tiny, the back my knee always touches the key while in the ignition and I'm only 6 feet tall. The arm rest is mounted so high when I steer my elbow gets blocked as I'm trying to steer, rhe back up camera is HD but somehow it's blurry and in reverse a picture of a transit appears in the upper right side of screen obscuring my view as I back up and turn the rear of the vehicle towards passenger side. There's no place to quickly place my ohone other than the passenger seat. All the surface areas near the cup holders are angled and phones slide off. There are chargers on the dash but what dummy charges anything on the dash. It will cook and destroy your battery. Just a terrible designed vehicle. Mine is a lower trim level then the one in the video.
Always appreciate hearing from a current driver! I've never understood why more manufacturers don't have larger bottle holders, they're so useful. There are some different accessories for phone holders that would probably make life easier for you there but you're right about the dash charge location, weird spot to charge anything. I'd just run a cable ;)
I got a 2017, the cabin leaves a lot to be desired. I'm probably going to buy another one at some point. How did you like the diesel, was it reliable. I know they don't make them now
Very ugly looking Van 2024/25 and they give u a screen smaller than my mobile phone! Shock how the companies cars is cutting corners instead of making it better!
Upfitting is the way to go for Transit vans.. but does a work van need to be eye catching? The screen in this video is the standard cheap option but there are upgrades that I mention a few times throughout that I highly recommend. At a minimum go for the 8" Sync3 but ideally the larger 12" Sync4
I own a 2015 DRW eco boost. 220k miles and engine an transmission still sounds and feels like a brand new car. Also a 05 F-150 never a single issue. Just regular maintenance. Ford built good vehicles.
HAHA. Yeah this one was pretty basic, but at the end of the day it's a cargo van. Interior wise.. the ones with the digital clusters and larger tablet screens look way better than this basic setup, but there is some solid upfitting that people have done with these vans
This one was a pretty basic build.. there's the option for the digital cluster and larger infotainment in the North American version but they're all extra costs. The EU transit custom van does look pretty sleek though
Great video. Finally someone that goes through everything.
Good to know people actually like the details I cover off!
My 2022 exl high roof 250 with eco boost has done 200k miles and averages 19.9 mpg
200k on a 2022 is wild! Have you run into any issues, mechanical or otherwise, while you've owned it?
@ absolutely none.. it still has factory brakes pads/rotors.. I change oil about every 8k (it’s on third set of tires, and two headlight bulbs) other than that it’s been oil changes 8k transmission oil every 65k rear axle oil 140k.. it’s been amazing
Always great to hear when people actually take care of their rides. I'm definitely using this comment in my review of the 2025 model haha
@ just for a general Input.. I have bought sprinters, Promaster sand transits brand new, I even owned Mercedes T3’s (predecessor to sprinter).. and for the American market the Transit is best by far…. The sprinter is built better, rear axle is farther back on long body, so better load balance/handling. Promaster is lower load height and square load space, transit has wind noise around doors and is “gappy”.. but the bottom line is.. Merced are insanely expensive to repair and maintain any some basic maintenance spares can have your vehicle off the road for months waiting for parts from Germany an oil change is $300 if you can ever get it scheduled. The ram Promaster is a front wheel drive fiat, which means no rear end weight, so its traction is horrid, it can lose traction on dry grass if van is carrying light loads. Maintainable and spares are easy to find but the transmission is a 60,000 mile unit. No matter how well you treat it, it’s throw away mechanics.. the transit is best bang for the buck, the large bodies can have difficulty getting oil changes at some dealerships, but at most I drive in and out with little waiting…… in short.. the transit is the best van at cost per mile ease or repairs, availability of spares, and every car care center can work on them, and every car spares shop knows a guy that can have you going in hours no matter where in the country you are.
I've heard that same thing about Sprinters, the vans might be close to the same price but the cost of repair is crazy in comparison when things do go wrong. Great insights on the Promaster as well, I never thought about mentioning the standard FWD and the effect when carrying heavier loads. Thanks for the great feedback!
Thanks!
You're welcome, appreciate the support!
Very informative- just got one of these vans for work and this answered a lot of questions I didn’t know I had
Thanks! There are a ton of features that aren't overly clean on Ford's website. These are some useful ones to check out as well:
Transit steering wheel and cluster - th-cam.com/video/QnlVLiCUZ7o/w-d-xo.html
Ford Transit Sync4 - th-cam.com/video/D5-fhO3hq2g/w-d-xo.html
@@CarsWithSteve well that was again helpful- I didn’t realize I could do remote start via a phone app even though my fob doesn’t support it.
Yes you do want the larger sync 4 screen and system, much easier to use and see backup camera. Also agree with inserting the key, the hardest I have had to work to get key into ignition.
Good to hear a current owner backing me up on that! I've never been a fan of the smaller screens in these vans
Excellent review video... but I found out what I really want is the Transit Trail review LOL
Ah I know right? I haven't been able to get my hands on one to review yet but it's on the list to review once I finally find one!
Our Transit 350 high roof, extended length, single wheel, rwd, with Eco boost engine, empty, driving speed limits mostly on interstates (70 mph max), a/c on, we had 17 mpg average. Our van with the RV package and Sync 4 system was 3 months delivery in 2024
Sweet, thanks for letting me know!
always love watching your vids. thanks for sharing!
Appreciate that!
Can you update or replace the radio for the big screen
Not easily.. the larger screens have different modules. Ford isn’t selling the Sync4 screen by itself yet either so you’d have to try eBay or a scrap yard and then have it programmed to your VIN
Yes, man, perfect; Ford should pay you for the video!😀
Haha, I like your style Johnny! I'm sure it'll happen some day
what bed and storage system was used in the beginning of the video
It was footage of a full custom build..
@ lol it was vandoit ;)
cool beans 👍
Drove a 50% loaded 2022 Transit 250 1600 miles and got 16.8 mpg. Foot on pedal rev limited to 75 mph most of the time. Budget rental van
Sweet, thanks so much for that. I'll make sure to point it out in the upcoming 2025 model review
Thank you! Great video. You've got the gift; I'd definitely buy a car from you👍
You're welcome, appreciate that!
Another information-packed review, Steve. I actually found this review quite interesting, although I don't know that I'd ever be in the market to buy a Transit van. I understand back in the 1960's and 1970's, Ford Transit vans were the vehicle of choice for struggling garage bands to make it to performance gigs (at least in the UK, according to Top Gear.)
Thanks Patrick! Ohh I like the idea of sharing some history of the cars that I review as well. Appreciate the idea!
@@CarsWithSteve Wow! I had no idea I was engaging in brainstorming. But I'm glad to be service!
I think you need to do a review on a C8 Corvette next. 😁
I remember a few months back you had mentioned the history of another vehicle and it didn't really click. But when you mentioned it this time I read the comment differently and think that having a bit of history could be neat!
I like the idea of a Corvette at some point! I'm starting to book more GM press vehicles so hoping that one is on the list for me at some point
@@CarsWithSteve I'm pretty sure that was the Chevy Nova, and why it didn't sell in Spanish-speaking countries. Interesting lesson in understanding how to market a product in non-English speaking locations. As I recall, it was comparable to Kia using a product name that sounds like the emperor who fiddled while Rome burned.
Great memory, that would be the one!
If it takes a year to get one of these, does your 2024 order get a depreciation deduction in 2025 when you pick it up?? Blue book value is calculated by age of vehicles.
If it gets pushed by an extended time it’ll typically roll into a build for the next model year. Happens with vehicles that are popular and assembly plant can’t keep up
What you forgot to mention is that if ordered vehicle is not received in time and it rolls to next production year, the buyer will pay the new higher price(as MSRP goes up every year), even though buyer signed and put a deposit for previous year and obviously expected to pay a lower MSRP.
From the date we placed our order (7/30/22), to the date we took delivery (8/4/23), of our 2023 - 250 cargo van. V-6 turbo " Eco-Boost", 148" standard body, med roof, lg. monitor screen, cargo & rear door windows, cloth swivel seats w/folding armrest, (note: drive/passanger door MUST be opened to fully swivel each seat), larger ctr console, standard pwr. mirrors, dual alternator, dual bat, lighted mirrors (both visors) lane assist, advanced/assisted cruise control, street sign recognition, back-up & parking assist, larger 31 gal fuel cell and trailer package. (ultimately: we wanted All The Whistles & Bells, but to get certain features, it forced us to canceled out other individual selected features)...
It took us: 1 year & 5 days from order to delivery.
Intend to build into a partial camper conversion for self & service dog.
Overhead (driver/pass) shelf, rear cargo floor & wall covering, aux switches, we're All NOT Available.
Ultimately: if being ordered as a cargo van, many Ford "passanger van features" would VOID (aka: Not Be Available) to add-on as additional option onto a cargo van platform.
NOTE: One point I was not informed about when we placed our special order ... requiring the use of the HVAC, the motor Will SHUT-OFF after 30 minutes. (I eventually found a way to circumvent this issue). The dealership (specialized in special orders for fleet accounts) was aware this van would be used to accommodate a service dog, they made no mention. (pretty sure "they" were not aware of this issue themselves).
OVERALL: (almost a year later): Very Pleased with the: performance, ride and a 14 to 21 mpg fuel economy. A little bit of a challenge to maintain at freeway speeds when cross-winds are present.
(still glad we didn't get the HIGH roof, or the 350 w/duallies). "🐾&👣"
@@kenvasilik3730
Thanks for the info, I don't think dealers really know what is happening in KC. Any special order can take up 1.5 years, which is ridiculous. I've been told AWD, 12" Sync, overhead shelf, outfitters wires are the problem, I need all of these. Ford you need to step up your Transit game, literally WTF?
My 2024 2500 does 14.8 mpg, which is better than my Ram 1500 at 13.5 mpg. Both engines are base models. The Ram pings and has low power. The Ford is very quick and very smooth. I have the same payload of tools on both except with the addition of a camper build, which so far is just two Ikea beds and cabinets. Hope this helps and everyone gets their van of choice.
Really appreciate the real world numbers here! What's the rest of your spec (low, med, high roof, length etc), and what weight do you typically have in your Transit?
@CarsWithSteve it's a medium roof 2500 regular wheels base. I figure about 500 lbs in it. I doubt I will put 1000 lbs in it. I will carry water and gray tanks which should push it towards 2000 pounds but if I go empty most of my trip (5 or 10 gallons) The mpg shouldn't change. Regards,
Pretty realistic real world numbers. I'll point this out when I shoot the upcoming 2025 video. Cheers!
What's the current order time?
Depending on the build, 6 months on the low end up to 12 on the high end
Great video. I'm going to look at it again.
Thank you! Have you picked up a Transit already or working on building one?
@@CarsWithSteve No, It's only a dream.
Nothing wrong with that! It would be kind of neat to do a full conversion to a camper with a Transit van.. one day!
@@CarsWithSteve agree
4:18 Is the difference between Passenger and Cargo van just the fact Passenger has seats and Cargo doesn't?
Pretty much.. there are some features that are standard in the Passenger van that are optional in the cargo van but otherwise.. they're the exact same!
More on the all wheel drive look underneath to see if has a transfer case and a driveshaft to the front axles????
The AWD Transit system is adapted from the Explorer so it'll use a single speed transfer case.. I'll make sure to add in some more shots underneath in the 2025 video
How many feet of cargo space does the 350 have? What is the payload capacity
I talk about both of those in this video...
I want one. And I like this van
Best bet is to put in a factory order to get exactly what you want. Lead times depending on your build are anywhere from 3-12 months
Good luck trying to buy one right now. Two dealers have told me anywhere between 6 months to one year with an incredible $6875 markup on top of A $60,000 price price tag at 7% interest.
Transit vans have always been tough to find an unsold in stock unit. Depending on the build 6 -12 months sounds about right.. but I never recommend paying above MSRP. If a dealer ever says that, run and connect with a high volume dealer that will sell at MSRP
I am located up in Alaska and that's part of the reason for the extra markup. Based on a few more reviews I think I'm going to steer clear of the transit. Build quality seems to be really awful, and there was one that was less than 5 years old that was already rusting. The guy also showed where the water from the windshield was dripping directly onto a wiring harness and computer. Nice. AC lines are Routed close to the tires, just bad design stuff. For 60 grand, seems like quality is really subpar. And then Ford is notorious for trying to get out of warranty work. I remember so many people having issues with the spark plugs popping out of their engine and Ford would not pay. Like it's our fault they only put three threads into the head to hold a spark plug. Overall, quality has gone way way down with Ford. I would love to see Toyota make a high roof van.
To be fair.. seeing one 5 year old Transit with some rust is a bit anecdotal. There's no way to tell if the person ever washed their vehicle, what conditions they were driving in, if there were scrapes, dings etc that would lead to rust happening quicker... Ford sells hundreds of thousands of these every year and if you compare that with the number of NHTSA complaints, most people probably wouldn't agree with these claims.
Having said that.. it would be interesting to see Toyota try to tackle a cargo van as the only other options are the more expensive to maintain Mercedes Sprinter and as tough to find Ram ProMaster
For wait times and cost, I'm lucky enough to have 5 Ford dealers within a 30 minute drive and all were willing to deal at least a little bit. I ordered in mid-May, got a notice in late June that the factory scheduled a build date for late July, and I expect to take delivery mid-September. This is a 130" WB, 250, Low Roof, with Sync 4 and several other specific options. Obviously you're in a different situation in Alaska and I feel for you.
I also cross-shopped a ProMaster until I realized that it has the same powertrain as my Town and Country which is starting to wear out after 10 years and 80K miles of hauling around 700 pounds of gear daily. I realize the T&C wasn't intended for that use (though I'm well within the 1400 pound payload capacity), but if the PM has the same motor and driveline I don't have faith it would be up to the challenge anymore than the T&C was.
Just sharing my experience.
One needs only do a TH-cam search on Ford Transit issues. The title of the one that I looked at was "2015-2022 Ford Transit review, 5 major problems" There are a number of other videos. Fit and finish is a very big issue and very small oil passages in their engine is another big one that can lead to catastrophic engine failure. Once again, if Toyota ever comes to the market with a high roof van I think they are going to knock it out of the park. And I have heard some absolute horror stories about the late model Mercedes Benz. It seemed like the early 2000 to 2006 T1N engines were Incredible and the one to own. After 2007 and DEF fluid and Other emission controls caused all kinds of problems, EGR related issues, etc.
Anyway, my local Ford dealer here never even called me back. And the next closest one at 350 miles away in Anchorage was telling me about a year for delivery on top of their nearly $7000 markup, and zero negotiation on price. Who pays more than MSRP? Thanks, but no thanks Ford. I have a 2006 Chevy cargo van 3500, and I am not trading it in at any time soon. I've done a few things to it but nothing major or out of the ordinary for the mileage.
8/24 Current build time of my optioned out T350 is 6 wks.
Wow that's a quick turn around.. Did you just order it? What other specs did you end up going for?
@@CarsWithSteve Order was placed 08/06. Build is scheduled by Ford for week of 09/16. Transit T350 Mid roof, mid length, AWD, Ecoboost, Sync 4 nav, HD tow pkg, black HIDs. fogs, 31g tank, 360 camera, dual batts, aux fuel port
Damn. I'm honestly surprised it's getting assembled so quickly. Any upfitting plans for your Transit?
@@CarsWithSteve Yes, I'm surprised too. I'll believe it when it gets delivered. I'm having it shipped to Field Van.
I hadn't heard of Field Van but just scoped out their website. They have some great camper builds! If you end up shooting a video or some pics of your finished build, I'd love to see it
I am looking for a ford transit or any cargo van, except for the Mercedes Sprinter, that offers the possibility to have a 2nd row for passenger (3 passengers) and to get the bulkhead installed behind the 2nd row. Does it exist and if not, is it something that be custom built?
There are different seat configurations that are available, with either a three seat 1st row bench or two 1st and two 2nd row seats. The bulkhead will have to be installed aftermarket but it's definitely doable!
Can the passenger seat be converted to two passenger seat.....so driver plus 2 passenger upfront?
The cargo van does technically have a seating matrix for 3 seats in the front so it is available from the factory. Aftermarket should be doable from most transport approved upfitters too!
Awesome ❤ this van. No change ford van. Love it
Good video.
Thanks Krishna!
Can I custom order a hybrid
There currently isn't a hybrid powertrain for the Transit and 2025 announcements haven't been made yet. But having said that, you can definitely custom order an EV Transit or regular gas version!
Ford, and all manufacturers, should have to publish their recall percentage next to the sticker price 🎈
The problem with listing all recalls for brands is that recalls are generally for builds during specific dates, so if there's a recall on a 2022 Transit it might only be for low or high roof, RWD, Passenger vans and not for cargo vans as well. NHTSA is the way to go to see active recalls though
Wet Belt?
Only in the EU diesel
I got a transit 350 'bus' when my last van died. Needed it for deliveries and.....the bus was NOT my choice but the only option >.<
Found that the MPG was good enough that I actually got rid of my suv and just drove the bus even after changing jobs. LOL!
Looks goofy as hell driving around in a bus as an everyday driver......but at 20+ mpg when my suv barely had 10.....Yea I'll take the goofy looks and the snickering behind my back :P
Wild that your Transit 350 is getting better mileage than the SUV.. and honestly.. who cares what people think!!
I'd switch to E Transit, but man the mileage is asscheeks rn. Needs at least 275/300 miles to even consider it.
Right?! That's one of my biggest complaints on the eTransit as well. Range absolutely has to be improved for more businesses to look at it as a serious option
Spot on. At 66 I’ve been breathing diesel fumes since I could reach the clutch pedal on our farm tractors. In the 50 past years I’ve had the opportunity to work with both diesel/electric and pure electric drive systems (military, railroad). When Ford announced the E-Transit I was excited to replace my ‘01 E350 7.3 powerstroke. When I saw that it had the same size battery as my wife’s Tesla model Y I was shocked. What the hell market did Jim Farley think he was going to serve with that dinky battery? I’m retired and had planned on towing a camper cross country so a 200KW battery with a TESLA NAC charging port is a must. Now they’re trying to practically give those things away because no one wants them.
I called 3 ford dealerships: Morristown tn knocksville tn and atlanta ga.
Trying to ask amd learn a few things.
Relevant things like standard engine size for the 11000 lb rated version.
And simply if i want the 14' box on a cutaway(which i do) does ford make the actual box?
None couldn't tell me anything and none returned any calls or text with them assuring me they would find out.tisk...
Ill still buy a fleet of 10 when i can but it might be from Illinois or Kalamazoo...who knows 😅
The 11'th one will be just a regular van the cooporate one i use😎🥸😁 with awd.
Shop weasel
Unfortunate that you didn't hear back and that the people you connected with weren't much help. The box is typically done by an unfitter aftermarket. Usually with fleet orders they'll bring in the cutaway and deliver to the upfitter who will make any necessary installs before delivering it back to the dealership for you
@@CarsWithSteve thanks for the response.
I'm sort of unfamiliar with up fitter.so the price will exclude a base price with said box?
But a cost affective contractor doing it on behalf of Ford?
Thanks if you know.
Best regards Jason
Yeh I'm not put off by any means by others business practices.😂
I'm gonna get me some..LOL
anytime! The Transit is a tough one to learn so it doesn't surprise me you didn't hear back right away. Upfitters can do a lot to builds. Think ambulances, security trucks, armoured vehicles etc. Usually either the upfitter will buy a number of cutaways or chassis Transits or SuperDuty trucks and then build them and sell direct or the customer orders and it's sent to the upfitter before being delivered to the customer. The Upfitter wouldn't be contracted by Ford but usually referred by the dealership or one you find
Hopefully they redesigned that crapo transmission
I've heard of that on the smaller transit connect vans but don't hear many people complaining about the full size ones
You did a great job on this video . Unfortunately, I looked at and searched Ford and Ram Promaster. Lot of complaints on both sides. They are both junk
Too bad Toyota doesn't have a big size cargo van.
You have to take number of units sold into account when you look at complaints. Ford sells hundreds of thousands of these worldwide every year.. even 1,000 complaints a year is less than 0.5% of vehicles sold. Could issues happen in either van? Sure.. But when owners actually keep up on regular maintenance and not overload their vehicles they are great vans
I’ve been looking at the Ford transit, but in reality, I want the pro master I just like the body style, but Dodge has taken away all the options. Most importantly, the RV package in order to get the things I want I have to do all aftermarket. And Mercedes I’m just plain and simple priced out 🙄
There was another comment from someone who has owned all 3 vans and always comes back to the Transit for the exact reasons you mentioned here too! If you aren't in a rush.. do a factory order to get exactly what you're after
2024 350 passenger van empty 16.4
Thanks for the heads up on that!
the only thing that changed was price - it went through the roof!!!
5% yoy increase in USA and a bit over 10% in Canada.. higher for sure but the demand has surged like crazy. Fleet or being a good negotiator is the way to go
As ugly as these vehicles are, you would think they can't get anymore uglier. But wait until the 2025-2026 models arrive. Yes, they can get uglier.
Well luckily it's the Transit Connect (international Tourneo) that's getting an upgrade. This full size should be staying the same
Funny how it only takes one word to know when someone is Canadian.
Crazy eh?
@@CarsWithSteve it's not the ehs.
Такий комерційний транспорт і бензині може дозволити тільки США. Дизель ось що потрібно!
Ці фургони можуть бути досить дорогими залежно від того, як ви їх сконструювали. Я здивований, що в Transit більше немає дизельного двигуна в Північній Америці, але, ймовірно, ми знову побачимо електричний двигун великої дальності перед дизельним
You still can see the dash in daylight, and you can't read any digital lights in that miserable blue led lighting. E-transit has 100 mile range, very limited.
The eTransit range is pretty brutal right now.. but 112 miles in the high roof up to 126 in the low roof is ok to start. Hopefully Ford gets it closer to the 300 mile range in the next few years for drivers who are on the road more
16 mpg when the van is empty
Thanks! What config is that for?
Why are these cargo vans 60K now for a base model high roof extended. Such a rip off.
Cost of materials and supply/demand. It's really tough to actually find an unsold new Transit van in stock and it's been that way for over 5 years...
@@CarsWithSteve I don’t buy materials going up 40 percent. It’s BS and I hope this auto bubble burst real quick.
Labour is wrapped in there as well. With the rise of delivery businesses because of e-Commerce I can't see the prices going down anytime soon.. Always the option to get fleet pricing if you have more than 5 vehicles or look for a high volume dealer that is opening to selling closer to cost
Why does it sound unbelievable a build can add 2 years off one minor option?
I mean its a huge factory building these.
As i mentioned in my other post i will have a fleet of these.
I dont want my drivers blairing a party GOING down the road.
Is there options like radio volume lockout i can manage?
Id like the ideal of limiting the volume a employee can attain let them hear the music to.pass the time but keeping them focused on there job is a big concern.
Thanks....hint hint.
Might as well go full atilla:a dual lockout so when the company calls it's a different volume so we don't get that:I can't hear you faker snideness these subordinate's try to go super genius on you with.
😅
I was surprised that it would be 2 years for a screen that Ford is moving to for more of their vehicles. Most Ford vehicles have the option for something called MyKey, which lets you set certain limitations for each fob. I believe that max audio is one of those settings
@@CarsWithSteve double thumbs up and screen shot.
He I thought I was ahead of the curve and would impress someone.😔
You definitely have a high turn over rate
I drive a gas one of these for work and I have so many complaints on this thing. It's brand new and my 2018 diesel transit that I gave up was better. On this new one all 6 cup holders are tiny, the back my knee always touches the key while in the ignition and I'm only 6 feet tall. The arm rest is mounted so high when I steer my elbow gets blocked as I'm trying to steer, rhe back up camera is HD but somehow it's blurry and in reverse a picture of a transit appears in the upper right side of screen obscuring my view as I back up and turn the rear of the vehicle towards passenger side. There's no place to quickly place my ohone other than the passenger seat. All the surface areas near the cup holders are angled and phones slide off. There are chargers on the dash but what dummy charges anything on the dash. It will cook and destroy your battery. Just a terrible designed vehicle. Mine is a lower trim level then the one in the video.
Always appreciate hearing from a current driver! I've never understood why more manufacturers don't have larger bottle holders, they're so useful. There are some different accessories for phone holders that would probably make life easier for you there but you're right about the dash charge location, weird spot to charge anything. I'd just run a cable ;)
I got a 2017, the cabin leaves a lot to be desired. I'm probably going to buy another one at some point. How did you like the diesel, was it reliable. I know they don't make them now
ft tall and "only" 6ft tall same thing
Very ugly looking Van 2024/25 and they give u a screen smaller than my mobile phone!
Shock how the companies cars is cutting corners instead of making it better!
Upfitting is the way to go for Transit vans.. but does a work van need to be eye catching? The screen in this video is the standard cheap option but there are upgrades that I mention a few times throughout that I highly recommend. At a minimum go for the 8" Sync3 but ideally the larger 12" Sync4
It’s a horrible looking vehicle,
Plus it’s a Ford Product
Unfortunately
Ford has sold 500,000+ of these in the last 5 years alone.. Just in the USA. I don't think the majority of people would agree with you
Hush, grandpa.
As far as vans go, this is pretty much as good looking as it can possibly get.
I own a 2015 DRW eco boost. 220k miles and engine an transmission still sounds and feels like a brand new car. Also a 05 F-150 never a single issue. Just regular maintenance. Ford built good vehicles.
Just have a truck chassis & body.
What kind of upfitting are you planning for it?
Just rented one of these from Home Depot. Key broke off in ignition. Wtf work van with a rinky dink key?? Ever hear of push buttons Ford?
The Transit van does have the option for push button start.. it's not Ford's fault that Home Depot went for a cheaper build without it lol
Ford vans looks like they were designed by 8th graders
HAHA. Yeah this one was pretty basic, but at the end of the day it's a cargo van. Interior wise.. the ones with the digital clusters and larger tablet screens look way better than this basic setup, but there is some solid upfitting that people have done with these vans
No Change 😭 so boring, but thanks for sharing, though ❤🤟👍
Yeah this one is basic AF but there are some decent upgrades inside, and the Trail package makes it more aggressive
Why is the British version more superior?
This one was a pretty basic build.. there's the option for the digital cluster and larger infotainment in the North American version but they're all extra costs. The EU transit custom van does look pretty sleek though
What is funy
A person can't have a good time doing work?