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Why the New SHURE SM7dB Falls Short - Surprising Flaw Exposed
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OK man, hard disagree. As you demonstrated, there's no sonic difference with or withought the boost engaged.. That takes the SM7b from being a great mic that's challenging on some sources and hard to use on others. Yes, Shure relesed this mic because of all the streamers and podcasters who want to use it and don't want to buy a $150 Cloud Lifter, but there are still all those other folks out there with other gear that they're not going to spend money on to upgrade.
The most popular interface line by far is the UAD Apollo line. The mic pres in those units have 60db of gain. The API 512 has 65db. I would love using the SM7dB with those and many more pres. so I can have a comfortable 20db of headroom, especiallly if I want to capture something like fingerpicked acoustic guitar.
I think this is a huge win for Shure. Especially, since they partnered with Cloud to do this and didn't just cut them out. The Cloudlifter was TOTALLY made to boost the SM7b long before there were podcasters and streamers who didn't want to spen money on something extra.
This is a win for Shure, a win for Cloud, and a win for consumers. If the SM7dB takes the place of the SM7b, who cares? They sound exactly the same as you demonstrated in the video but the SM7dB is a more versatile, easier to use mic.
If you aren't willing to upgrade old gear but purchase a "vanity" MIC for a podcast...your priorities might be a bit off.
61db gives you a decent signal...
And a Fethead is under 100.
Gain boosters come even cheaper too.
Again...a few years ago...all this wasn't even an argument...but with even the entry level interfaces saturating the market...it becomes more of a niche mic for sure.
And Apollo won't be far behind...UA will end up getting into the gain wars very soon.
I'm a rock and metal producer and for agressive vocals the SM7B is my go to microphone, and for a lot of producers in the same genre too.
@@DarkCornerStudios the dude made a good point, not sure what "vanity mic" comment you are responding to, and even if so, who are you to judge another person's priorities? HIs schooling just got under your skin.
@@badmiddens ?
For that response?
That was tame...bahaha
Oh sweetie
@@DarkCornerStudios Don't you sweetie talk me, I'll kiss you right on the mouth!
Hot take: save $450 and buy a used SM58 lol
I like the sm57 with the pop filter...it looks.......presidential...lol
Ye, before i buy sm7b
i use sm58 with popfilter, and still good & worth
Great video! Which one would you buy for a 100% talk shows radio station, for use through a professional radio mixer? With money not being a problem.
Even more with a sm48 😅 with a good pre amp it sounds good
the lows sound a lot more present in the db. personally. Shure released an updated version of an already iconic microphone that they knew would sell without them having to reinvent the wheel and produce something totally new. I think it's more a safe marketing tactic than anything else.
I dig what you say about the logo but it is a bit ironic given the prominent RODE all over the screen from the booms lol. I'm looking at this personally because I have a hybrid/hybrid studio where I do a lot of voice-over kind of stuff but also record acoustic/electronic music. Thanks for the comparison!
Yeah, that stupid boom. When it came out my eyes rolled back into my brain. "Hey, let's release a "plus" version! We'll just take the old one and wrap it in a tacky fabric sleeve someone made on etsy!"
I think in the comparison the Sm7db sounded a little bit more deeper & louder while the Sm7b sounded a little brighter and a tad bit quieter. Could just be me tho 🤷🏽♀️
i thought the same thing
agreed totally
warmer
I don't know if it was just me but the sm7DB sounded darker than the old sm7b.
The gain in Rodecaster pro II will create noise passed 50 db. With 28 db from Shure, you only need 25 -28 db on the Rodecaster. The circuit is quieter.
I can't look at the SM7 anymore after you blew my mind with the Dynacaster review. That mic is the best value for money ever
What Dynacaster was that?
Dynacaster DCM8@@recreatorband
*I specifically connected monitoring headphones to mount the BEYER Dynamics DT 1990 Pro.* They do not distort sound at all and convey all the subtle shades of sound. I listened to both microphones. If you had both microphones included in the same sound card, then they have a difference in sound. The old Shure *SM7b* gives sound with clearer medium and high. And with the new *Shure SM7db,* a slightly deaf sound and slightly more pronounced low frequencies and a more deaf sound. I also noticed that with Shure *SM7db* a little more noise is coming. Thank you for this comparison. _I calmed down and lost motivation to renew._ 🙂
I noticed about the same. Sounds noticeably different to me, though they both sounded great.
I agree, Shure should propose this mic 2-3 years ago. Anyway, I don't like big logos on microphones and I think this mic does not need one, it's very popular and recognizable. Sm7b is elegant and this is a part of his legend, sm7db is shiny and looks like a cheap chinese copy 😉
that gain in the sm7db and built from cloud lifter will come into play at some point in certain situations ...give it time
Or you can grab a fethead for those rare moments...and spend less money
less gear is better ,sm7db way worth it ..one less thing to think about is worth it @@DarkCornerStudios
A preamp right at the mic is good for getting the gain prior to any noise picked up along the cable run to avoid amplifying that too, but probably not too applicable for the typical use of these mics.
Great point
Absolutely disappointing SM7B refresh..
I have the regular sm7b and a rodecaster pro 2. It sounds great and drives it easily. No reason to get this mic if you have a rodecaster pro 2, but hey, it looks cool.
I understand and agree that companies want to promote their products. And that have every right. But I’m of the mind that unless they’re paying me to promote their product I’m not going to do it. If I released videos, I’d find an aesthetically pleasing way to cover the logos. It’s the same reason that the first thing I do when I buy a new car is to remove the dealership’s name from the vehicle, often before I even drive off the lot
Exactly! I have the same point of view!
I think @dbrand should get in on this
why should they pay you for using their equipment? what a stupid statement. So what you're promoting their name, it's called supporting a company that has provided you with something you benefit from. It all seems very petty and childlike this to me, shrugs!
@@MankySwift if they want their logo featured on my product, just like any other advertiser, they would need to pay. Not sure that called for calling me stupid or childish. Just a simple difference of opinion. Have a great day
@Poesidon238 apologies i dont mean to come on so hard. it's not your product though is it mate it's theirs that is my point here. They created it, it's their product that u have purchased.
This mic is a clear discrepancy of what consumer actually want vs what brands wants and what brands thought consumers want:
1) Brand thought with so many podcast using the SM7B, if they add the Shure logo, it will be free advertising for them. The only reason I'm not buying 6 of the SM7dB and bought 6 Lauten Audio LS-208 is purely because of the logo that Shure added. If I don't use it hang down, the logo will be upside down unless I open the screw and rotate it and screw it back.
2) They beauty of the SM7B is how subtle it was, the black plate makes it look so clean, now they no longer gives you the back plate
3) It's nice that they make the switch easier to access, but what's the point if no one even uses the switches in the first place?
4) Build in Pre-amp 5 years too late, now entry level audio intefaces already have 69 db of gain like the latest generation scarlett, 76 db of gain with the Rodecaster pro II/duo, 80 db of gain with mackie DLZ creator. How about studios? People will studio already have preamp like the 1073 which already have more than enough gain to power the SM7B.
5) The mic color (shiny) and proportion just looks wrong and camera, the elongated design with the tape, just make the mic looks weird, the original SM7B already look perfect, why mess with that?
6)Here's what people actually want, we want the next generation of SM7B
-Better sound so we can upgrade our current SM7B to the next generation SM7C. Maybe neodymium magnet? Improved capsule? Better internals?
-The wire coming out from the side, we want it to be internal so it will look cleaner on camera
-Better yok mount so it's easier to screw
-Built in wire mesh pop filter inside the cage for the capsule, perhaps something like the JZ-PF pop filter
-We want the rest to be the same, because of the MAYA effect - Most Advanced, Yet Acceptable - To sell something familiar, you must make it surprising and to sell something surprising, you must make it familiar.
Mine still came with the black plate ...are you sure you didnt get a chineese copy from ebay ?
@@foodstampz lol SM7dB with backplate? You must be drunk or yours might be a chinese copy from ebay.
Oh Scarlett are terrible. I don't care what mics you plug into them, they're absolutely terrible and they've got loads of loads of latency. No thank you
I honestly don't see the problem with the logo, like it was stated in the video it could have been green lol. Why shouldn't they be able to stick their name on it, it's their product they've created, engineered and sold to the masses for years. Personally i don't blame em they're entitled to dress up their product how they see fit. Perhaps we're forgetting they're a business at the end of the day and obviously will seek every chance to promote a popular product.
@@MankySwift good for you
You are right about this being out of date. This would have been useful to me 5 years ago, but now that I use Neve 88RLB preamps in my studio that provide clean 70dB gain, I have no use for this. Interface pres have gotten better the last 5 years, and everyone who already invested in an inline booster will most likely keep their setup anyways! Great update, just a few years too late. And from a business standpoint, I don’t think they will ever release an SM7 with USB. That would sabatoge their MV7 and make it obsolete imo.
Keep in mind that "clean gain" doesn't really exist.
The cloudelifter and fethead have been measured around -128 db ein.
That's objectively "louder" than most preamps that will "hiss" at max gain however that hiss is coupled with an extraordinarily loud mic signal.
An SM7B straight into a 60 DB interface with greater than -128 db ein is absolutely fine and this product is quite useless in general as a result.
@@skorpers I already listened to the sound through the built-in preamplifier in Shure SM7db and through the CloudLifter in Shure SM7b. Uniquely, the quality of the gain in the CloudLifter is better than what is built into the SM7db. Therefore, I see no point in updating.
@@gandolfred The built in amplification circuit also adds a point of failure to the mic.
On top of making it noisier than just plugging it straight into an interface.
Air 192 | 4 and SSL2 are both better than using a cloudlifter and to be frank using any mic over the SM7B is a good idea.
@@skorpers Well, that's so clear. If there is already a powerful preamplifier in the audio interface, then CloudLifter is not needed. But I have, for example, the Motu M4 of 2021. And it doesn't pull power for the Shure SM7b. But if you connect the Shure SM7b through CloudLifter, then there will still be better sound than Shure SM7db with its built-in preamplifier. I wrote about it.
@@gandolfred M4 is more than enough for the SM7B. there's like a 0.7dbfs difference in ein maximum between the two and that's assuming the cloudlifter is actually as good as the fethead since the fethead doesn't use a second cable like the cloudlifter.
I think I still like the SM7B sound…I’m looking for something for metal vocals - I have a Roland Rubix 24 interface and am trying to decide between the SM7dB or the SM7B and Cloudlifter. All advice appreciated, folks! Thanks x
The SM7dB, the new king of ASMR? That made me smile. A dynamic with a self noise higher than most quiet rooms people would record in.
That satin finish on the DB vs the matte on the old generation looks good on camera. Wonder how it’ll hold up 😅
Yeah...wonder if it will show dirt more
Should I buy the Shure SM7dB or SM7B?
For quite clean extra gain I just use Fetheads on my mics, works for me.
What about the comparison between the 7db vs the MV7+?
You need more power to fully drive a compressor for example. I could definitely use more power, but the clunky inline preamps are a bit awkward. 100 bucks is a bit steep but still cheaper than cloud lifter. If there's anything that kills it it's the mv7x not the sm7db or even mv7. Pay 1/3 as much, get a cheap interface and upgrade the windscreen and you are good to go.
Good point about compressor! 💯
When listening on proper studio monitors, the new one definitely has a different low end, in a very pleasing way! :)
How can you speak "on top of the capsule"? You've taken the foam off, right?
Hello mate (sorry I don't know your name), I'm starting as a streamer and I"d like to really thank you for your honest and complete reviews of microphone, I've been learning a lot, and saving tons of money. It's really refreshing from the other reviews who are just there to make you click on an affiliate link and say that any product is good... So thanks a lot for your hard, honest and truthful work :)
Cheers!
I appreciate your kind words!!
Thanks for the comparison. I've been using Sennheiser MKE 600 shotgun mikes in studio and in the field. I've been pretty happy with them. But, I need to invest in a couple of good quality desktop mics now for going on the road to do interviews. I love my Rodecaster Pro II. Works like a champ. But...here's where I think the one real advantage is with the SM7dB. You should be able to use the built in boost when plugged directly into the camera. Which would mean carrying one less piece of equipment (and cabling), faster setup and tear down. Especially with a two camera shoot, and play with the audio in post. Thoughts?
Camera use is certainly an advantage
So what do i get for my channel then?
How do i setup my sm7db with my go xlr mini? I cant get it to sound right
have you managed ? I'm about to get one sm7db
Thanks so much. In 5:08 I partially disagree because not all interfaces are the same in terms of preamp quality, it’s not only about the number of dBs, you need a good amount of “clean” gain with consideration to preamp self-noise and mic input EIN etc. As an example, I tried applying 50dB of gain to my SM7b through Focusrite Scarlett vs Apogee Duet, and there was a noticeable difference in the overall noise floor between the two interfaces (Apogee Duet won of course 😁 But you are right the gap is becoming closer and closer, and an inline preamp might not be a big deal or major upgrade.
Now a days it is very hard to find anything with less than an EIN of -128.
Gain these days is clean.
Noisy preamps are another thing of the past
@@DarkCornerStudios Not "are", "will be" ;) We still get something like new Shure MVX2u with 122dBu or new Focusrite Scarlett Solo 4th with 57dB of gain... So, still you have to check before buy 🙃
@@GadesChannel yes...you SHOULD be checking before you buy.
Which is the very thing that pushes more gear out with better gain
@@DarkCornerStudios Indeed :)
@@DarkCornerStudiosif I were to buy a Shure sm7b, what audio interface would you recommend to not have to buy a cloudlifter nor use phantom power?
Since they released the MV7+, I believe Shure's strategy is : we let people start with the combo XLR/USB-C (MV7+), and then when they are ready to leave USB and want things like non USB/app dependent DSP, they buy the XLR only SM7dB. At the end we have bought two mics instead of one 😅 I personally went with the MV7+, time will tell if I fall into Shure's strategy 😉
Which micro should you recommend for Xmas 2023? Connected with a mac studio M2. For streaming and conf call. Thanks :)
Rode Podmic.
Check out my video on it...easily mic of the year for 2023
I own the Aston Stealth. I like it but I don't love it. I find the quality of sound is very nice and warm. I wish the preamp had a way to turn it down with a screw driver adjustment. I find the preamp too hot and I totally hate the microphone clip. Besides that its a great microphone.
I don't know much about audio gear. But looking into something to replace Mod mic 5, would like a proper mic where I don't have a thin fragile cable i can't replace. But a mic like this is mounted on an arm not on a wa phones I light drop, and cable might get janked.
I see some reccomend to use a preamp. Did you use one? Does your interface have one built in? If so which is it? Some say the mic is great some say you have to use a preamp, some say you don't. I don't remember who said what. But this is confusing. I see this audio gear can be expensive but some cheap stuff out there. I see Røde has a cheap and small interface Ai-1. One guy said this mic can take abuse, and Røde NT1 is and mic slike that more fragile. Another guy said NT1 can take a beating. A some of contradicting info out there. 🤔
Some one said this has a built in preamp so basically I don't need a preamp. To get proper audio level. Seems like a neat idea, but not needed if you have a preamp, but some say you don't need a pre amp. So I am not sure what to do, which mic and interface, preamp to get. What to avoid. 🤔
I still dont get why the title is named as it is. I see (or hear) greatness in the dB mic when compared to the B and others will understand and appreciate the dB mic. But from what you demonstrated - if you already have the SM7B, why get the dB ?
If you want to lighten your load, I see a great reason to get the dB.
The Shure logo on the mic or in the back plate does not bother me a single bit. I only wish Shure made the logo white to go with the all-black microphone.
Great video! I am hesitating between Shure MV7+ AND SM7dB + interface shure MVX2U (to make it USB). Which one would you recommend? I have no gears and want to do video podcasting/ youtube interviews with remote guest. I want to keep it simple but with good sound. Thank you!
Can't argue with any of the talking points. I appreciate it for the fact that I often record things on the go with a zoom recorder or my handy dandy phillips recorder..... but I do feel that dynamic preamps are just about a thing of the past.....unless you are using an interface/recorder from the past....which I do often
Oh there is no doubt that this is still useful...but a fathead and an sm7b is just as good...lol
Switched to the Earthworks Ethos and never looked back.
Shure are beginning to fall behind the competition in several ways including functionality, design. The almost-religiously-hyped-by-everyone SM7B might have left the company to become a bit too… comfortable? Just guessing. Røde managed to get (mostly) out of a similar hole. Shure can too. #audiocardboard :D
lol...gonna have to put #audiocardboard on a shirt
The word you're looking for is "complacent". And yes, you're 100% right.
With the MVX2U, is the SM7B enough or you reckon the SM7dB with the MVX2U interface? Thanks!
I haven't heard a tonne of stuff from the mvx2u to be honest...and I think it's rather noisy.
I would honestly want a decent interface with either
Your right. I have the smaller MVX7 and a lewitt 640ts with the Apollo twin x
The new mic does not look proportional, feels off. Just based on looks alone it's a no-go. Add in the shinny finish, looks cheap compared to the clean matte finish of the SM7b
Si se ve diferencia, en el nuevo modelo mete menos ruido a lo que esta detras, mucha diferencia.
The SM7B with USB-C will not affect the MV7 market too much. It will likely be $100 more than the SM7DB.
The SM7B with USB-C is inevitable, Shure knows what they're doing.
The SM7DB vs MV7 price points are very different.
Oh you know damn well that people will forego the mv7 for a combo sm7...LOTS of people would do that.
It would have a tremendous impact on mv7 sales
@@DarkCornerStudios $250 vs $600 (expected) is a significant price difference for hobby podcasters. Also the MVX is even cheaper for multi-micing projects.
Very good video. Cheers mate
I'm using MV7 with USB, and I find that my microphone volume is very low with XLR. Can anyone tell me why? So many people say that MV7 doesn't need a cloud lifter.
The SM7B should work just fine, given the EIN of the preamp it’s connected to, is quiet enough. If it is, even a mere 50dB of gain will be easily enough, as software gain will be able to finish the job.
The Hummer and Nail test🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When I saw the release and cost of the db I laughed and was sad for a moment. Both because I found it funny- they just put a preamp in it and made it more expensive and I still can not afford it.
The best mic is the one I own
Sm57 with the Shure A2WS windscreen. With the right eq and processing it’s 80% the way there
If I have to choose again I choose re20 over sm7b price wise it might cost even more than re20 with the cloudlifter.
Great comparison! When you did the first side by side test, I thought the SM7dB sounded slightly warmer. Listening with Apple AirPods.
Yeah...there are always going to be variances since I can't exactly replicate every variable.
Distance...angle...etc.
Things may sound slightly different from time to time.
Even exact same mics can have mechanical variances.
But no real MASSIVE difference that will make it through to the final product
Shure dropped the ball. This needs to be $399 in order to fix the weakness of the sm7b. Possibly $350 to compete with the other options that don't require any adjustments at all.
The 7b is still selling like hotcakes, what reason would they have to drop the price?
Taking a page from sE's book with the DynaCaster. The preamp is nice because it does help with reducing room noise even further since your gain isn't cranked up on the interface. My studio is one wall away from the furnace, and when I use a preamp, my mic doesn't pick up the noise from the furnace fan at all.
the sound is noticeably different on these two mics... I'm really surprised about you saying you can't tell..
Lol...so when even Shure has said everything is the same...except for the booster...
You are calling them liars?
I love these posts...so ridiculous
@@DarkCornerStudios tune your ears
@@vazdaqui8513 lol...
Grow up and find a hobby
@@DarkCornerStudiosthe db sounded a bit deeper
if I were to buy a Shure sm7b, what audio interface would you recommend to not have to buy a cloudlifter nor use phantom power?
Well...you don't need phantom power with a dynamic mic...unless it has a preamp in if.
What interface depends on what you are doing though
Just look for one with gain over 65db
Something like the Lewitt Connect 6 is a great choice
Stay away from Scarlet audio interfaces, they're terrible and the latency is quite awful. I know some people would say that latency is based off of the computer you have, while the computer you have does play a part in it Scarlets are just terrible audio interfaces
I have a question..... I use good quality studio mic's in my ham radio hobby. Many do nowadays. I see an advantage to this mic in that I won't need a lot of extraneous item like a full mixing board when I am only using one channel for my particular application. I also have concerns about RF energy from my 1,200 watt amplifier deck getting into extra cables and the board itself. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
SM57 FTW @ $99
Do you have a video for “eq and compression for sm7db for beginners”? Please say yes 😊
Well wouldnt you know it...
th-cam.com/video/oLJUHbFwUms/w-d-xo.html
The same rules apply for the sm7db as they apply to the sm7b...so it should be the same.
Remember to EQ it to YOUR voice...dont just try and use my eq settings...
Guessing our voices are a bit different...lol
@@DarkCornerStudios thank you! I’ve been playing with EQ for awhile and I never know if what I’m doing sounds “right” 😆 I’ll watch your video 👍👍
@meredithmarsh_vidpromom it takes quite awhile to train your ear.
Take your time...and be patient.
It will come
To me it’s like they released an sm7b with slightly more obnoxious branding. The price just doesn’t make sense to me since it’s the cost of the sm7b plus the cloudlifter anyway. Great video!
How about paired with the motu M2? Which Mic. Thanks.
Sm7b and a fethead
For that sound test at 3:20, do you have a noise gate / compressor etc on?
Nope...doing that would be deceptive
i'm not sure how to set up my Shure SM7db with my mini go xlr. Will I still hear the hissing sound?
Yes, you will.
Coming from the perspective of upgrading a not great mic. I currently have the Scarlet Solo as my interface which has no gain, is there any reason besides price to not go with the SM7dB or would i be better off getting the SM7B and going with like, a DM1 as a pre-amp?
It's a preference thing at this point.
FYI...I like the Fethead...lol
@@DarkCornerStudios Noted! I work at a music store so we'll see what they have and what employee discount is available.
Found your channel through this video and subbed from the video on the history of shure, you do great stuff! I appreciate the response.
@@Ashragi cheers and thank you for the support!!
Which interface do you recommend with the Shure Sm7b?
@carrokraus anything that offers clean gain above 61db...which is most interfaces released today.
Otherwise there is little difference between interfaces...other than features that is
@@DarkCornerStudios perfect! Sounds like I’d be safe going with the Scarlett 2i2 4th gen? 😅
@carrokraus yeah...that's a nice unit to be honest.
If you are looking for something with some EQ options for the SM7B...I do like the Connect 6 from Lewitt
At least the logo it’s not lighted with a variable rgb knob. Otherwise I’m ok with it ….great review on it.
Thanks!
I would assumed that bright green would have been the case.
Actually surprised at how muted it is
If they release super cardiod sm7db, i might consider it then.
Definitely picking up the sm7b it's going to be cheaper I have a preamp already and i prefer the look however 3 years ago I had no clue about shure or the sm7b and a hard time finding out what this mic was. So i have no problem with the branding on the new mics its smart
i can hear a difference the new one is clearer then the old one
All I see here is a redesign since what you said is 100% correct, we all have the dB already and if you haven't upgraded to a RCP or something with enough gain, you need to upgrade your mixer, not add in a $500 (too shiny) mic to replace your awesome $400 SM7b
Add in the USB-C, give it an improved interface like the MV7's have and that's the winner, this is a waste of money IMO
Original SM7 is the way to go❤😊
Get the Shure MV7 and save the money ❤😊 but for some odd reason your test doesn't sound different but other's that have did the comparison, there is a difference. 🤔 Can you do a comparison between the new Shure SM7DB vs MV7? Thank you
Shocker, it's an SM7(d)b. That's good. Yeah, Shure is late - this would have been better 5 years ago. Today I have a cloudlifter, and there's nothing in upgrading for me. The branding changes are not surprising, as you point out. It's still a good mic for purpose, but if you have the older model then there's not much incentive for this. I guess if your noise floor on your interface blows chunks then you might get some improved noise floor performance. Maybe they missed a trick in not moving the connector cable or at least letting it tilt or something, and that cable hanging off the body could be internal.
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Awsome video, very informative, I so much agree with you! They have devalued their mic!
Not sure this beats the Trace Anser modded SM7B. Also not certain it beats a stock SM7B with a Cloudlifter. I'd have to hear all 3 in a shootout.
Great info but Shure is late/out of date for whom? Providing the world doesn't end, there will always be new entrants into the audio/producing/recording/voice over/podcasting...etc.. industries. ...and I definitely hear a difference between the two mics.
lol...I find that constant claim hilarious.
Even Shure has confirmed that it is the EXACT SAME MIC...just one has a preamp...
😃it is...i've used both and done my research but on this video, I hear a difference.
What about the SHURE Cloud, which I have. Isn't that a preamp? My SM7B with the cloud sounds pretty good into my mixer. If it ain't broke I ain't fixing it.....
Yep...the Cloudlifter is the exact same preamp that is in this new sm7
Different strokes for different folks I suppose. If you don't care about having all these wires around you then by all means use a cloud. If you're somebody like me that wants minimal wires and no cables running into each other then that's set up probably wouldn't be appropriate
Is the pop shield interchangeable between the sm7b and sm7db?
Yes!
@@DarkCornerStudios thanks!
RE20 sounds better for spoken word.
The future is USB interfaces and combo mics with software EQ and audio processing chain like Rodecaster, Elgato Wave XLR, and even Shure's own MV7. So, this mic is 2 years too late when I realized it was just a standard SM7B with a built in cloud lifter. BTW, I would not trust a budget interface to get clean gain at full send. I want as much headroom as possible. Scarletts sound the best up to about 60% max gain.
Which micro should you recommend for Xmas 2023? Connected with a mac studio M2.
I would say the thing that I am not really a fan of is that wire that hangs out in the middle. I wish that wire was internal and I wish that the XLR port was on the microphone itself as opposed to being on the shock mount.
The external wire is part of the shock isolation strategy. No microphone absorbs shocks better.
@@fredoverflow why is it no matter what XLR cable I use on this microphone even the platinum XLR cables there's still loads of hissing?
@@fredoverflow I know I've said earlier on multiple videos that there's a lot less hissing with this microphone but lately that doesn't seem to be the case and I'm actually getting quite shocked and a bit annoyed as to why there's all this hissing and I have the amplification on the microphone set all the way to get all the clean gain I could possibly get.
Probably not the microphone's fault.
What is on the other end of the XLR cable?
@@fredoverflow the microphone is plugged in to the solid-state to audio interface.
The RE27ND with the high boost turned off (move the switch down toward the XLR connector) provides superb audio that needs no EQ and no cloudlifter/fethead, etc. You'd do the world a favor by explaining that the high boost on the RE27 was put there at a time when many people hadn't heard of the internet, and intelligibility on AM/FM radio was key. EV should ship the mic with the boost switch off but I suppose they know their market well enough to sell it today the same as the mid 90s. Anyway, this topic might make an interesting video.
Yeah...covered some of that concept with ribbon mics...
Maybe a good idea for a future video
The sm7b also suffers from a plosive issue. I have read that the re27 has a great internal pop filter that makes windscreens unnecessary.
@@RealHomeRecording No pop filter is necessary unless you are too close - the re27 has enough output that you can easily double the working distance of the SM7B for the same output. With the 309A mount I tell people to speak into the space between the mic and the curve of the yoke and that pretty much eliminates pops from the most inexperienced users can encounter. I have 3 RE27s of various vintages (1 old, 1 kinda old, 1 kinda new) with the original foam and they're fine and they sound the same - they go into big ziploc bags when not in use. I'm not affiliated with EV at all, i'm just a regular dude passing along some info - hopefully this helps. The key to using the re27 in 2023 is to turn off the high boost unless you're using it for radio.
How about, instead of putting a giant black blob over your face, place a small diaphragm condenser, shotgun mic, or boundary microphone, slightly out of frame? It baffles me why anyone would use either of these mics in a VIDEO application
you can EQ any $50 microphone to sound just as good
Seems DB is dark glossy black when compared to 7B
It’s a gorgeous sounding mic and you sound great in this video. That’s all that matters. Oh and Michael Jackson used it exclusively to record Thriller. 😂
It is LITERALLY the same as the SM7B...with a cloudlifter and a bypass.
Still stand with my original opinion.
This thing is a niche purchase
@@DarkCornerStudios Right…if you already own the older model then it makes no sense to buy the new one. But if you are just getting started and don’t already have an investment in all the mics and equipment, it makes sense. That’s most likely their target market.
@@BrentLeVasseur did you even watch the video?
@@DarkCornerStudios No of course not. Who actually watches the videos before commenting? 🤣
@@BrentLeVasseur I explain in this video why it is an unnecessary purchase unless you have older gear.
Even then...a fathead with an original sm7b is CHEAPER.
Does anyone know how much dB of gain focusrite Scarlett 4i4 Gen 3 has?
69 db
happy with my sm7b
It looks stupid with the logo and shiny color. The original is a classic for a reason, and it didn’t need a stupid logo on the side to achieve that. Also, from this test the new one sounds edgier while the classic sounds smoother (which is why we use it).
If we complaining about logos, that Rode logo 😂
lol...it does stand out no?
I disagree. An active mic is far less susceptible to long cable runs and has a far better s/n ratio. A USB version would be useless for the pro audio market
This isn't being marketed to a "pro" market.
They actually say in their marketing...it's for Podcaster and streamers
But the SM7b is a staple in pro studios and an active version solves the aforementioned issues. I have an SM7b in my studio and despite using great pres I purchased a TNT DM2 because the noise floor was too high when used passively. I also tried other booster but I di don’t like the way they were coloring the sound. The DM 2 was the best of the bunch although isn’t totally transparent. If I could go back I’d probably buy the new mic
@@federicolopezmusic you think there are a bunch of pro studios that don't have enough gain for an sm7b??
@@DarkCornerStudiosthe issue is not the amount of gain. My pres have 80 db of gain. But the higher the gain the higher the noise, especially with tube pres. Also, as you turn the gain up you are also picking up the noise introduced by the signal chain, especially in big studios where you have long cable runs. Moreover a passive mic is very sensitive to impedance changes,so the longer the cable the higher the impedance gets and the darker and quieter the signal gets. It’s the worst scenario. So using a passive SM7b on a moderately quiet source results in a very low signal to noise ratio. Using a booster makes the signal active, drops the noise floor and raises the signal to noise ratio. There is no case where an active SM7b would not be preferable. I think it’s worth the 200 extra bucks, unless you use it exclusively on very loud sources
@federicolopezmusic oh I'm aware...though a decent quality interface xan easily push the 61db of gain needed for an sm7b.
And in true pro studio fashion...you will gain it up in post.
Again...this mic was aimed at Podcaster and streamers.
I just don't understand it's place in the market. Post quarantine you have a lot less new people buying their first setup. Everyone else already has an SM7b if they want one, or had one before they realized it's not for them. In the current market there's no reason not to buy either the sE Dynacaster or RE20 instead. Or even the RE320 depending on taste. Otherwise... Why not just get a used, cheaper SM7b?
This would have made sense if it was a direct replacement of the SM7b at the same $400 price point. But with the 100 dollar premium? It makes even less sense when options like the 30 dollar Klark Teknik boosts are an option.
Never mind that the market is currently saturated with users running the tinny sounding HyperX Quadcast. People are more than happy to forego sound quality for a cheaper price point, some RGB, and of course USB convenience.
cant wait to my get my sm7dB tm
Who cares how it looks. The preamp is awesome and you can turn it off.
8:07 "I explained that in the video up here"
There is no video up there
Right mic sounds slightly softer to me
There will always be ever so slight variances due to the nature of the comparison.
Distance...angle...all the things that can't be perfectly replicated each time.
Sadly I am no robot
I'm a bare bones SM57 kind of guy so none of this is skin off my nose.
Electrovoice RE-20 > SM7b for dialogue
You know what's worst? With the Rodecaster Pro II with the SM7dB without any of the preamp engaged has a lower noise floor than with the preamp engaged. At least give us lower noise floor with the built in preamp, this has to be the most disappointing refresh of 2023. After so many years, this is the best that current Shure engineer can achieve? Disappointing.