Nice video, the Shaker Heights system was way ahead of its time when built, many of the concepts of modern light rail systems wre featured in this line when built in the 1910's and 20's. Highway and street separation, transit oriented development, clean efficient affordable and environmentally friendly transport. It is one of only seven Lightrail/Streetcar/Trolley systems to survive in the USA, before the new systems started developing in the 80's.
Greeting from Pennsylvania. I have been an avid streetcar fan for about 70 years. Lots of the old streetcar systems were converted to buses after WWII, with a few actually lasting until about 1960. When you stated that only 7 systems actually survived abandonment or bus substitution into the LRT era did not ring true to me. I was skeptical of that number: it seemed too low to me, so I made my own list. It got up to 6 and then finally remembered the 7th city. My list is Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Boston, Newark, Cleveland (Shaker Heights), San Francisco, and finally....New Orleans. Is that the same 7 cities that you counted? (And of course you also have the massive system in Toronto Canada.) Thank you for the fun mental exercise. Good riding!! CAS
@@charlesshivoder2887 The same cities are what I counted, El Paso Texas had one line that made it until 1974 almost making it to the LRT era. I got to like trolleys watching them in Philadelphia as a toddler back in the 1960's, my mother actually used the Germantown Route 23 Trolley to go to work at Temple University.
mrjsanchez1 Hi again from Pennsylvania. I lived near Philadelphia for many years and know the 23 line very well. Also the original El Paso cars are coming back to life!! Nice chatting with you. CAS
I have visited Cleveland several years ago and rode the light rail lines. I live in suburban Philadelphia and those two lines reminded me of my two local lines. The Media and Sharon Hill old Red Arrow line trolleys which run on common trackage to a point where they split to access their end points. The Cleveland system does have one difference that is better than my two lines. They provide a one seat ride into downtown. On my lines we have to change to the heavy rail elevated - subway line to get to the downtown area.
A great system and a great legacy of the Van Sweringen Brothers who developed Shaker Heights and Tower City (Union Terminal). It is sad that the existing underground terminal was originally designed to be used by other Cleveland interurban lines but many had closed by the time the Terminal opened in 1930 and those that survived couldn't afford the rent to use it.
I wonder how the trains would have worked if they built I-290 with them in the middle or on an elevated platform. Interestingly in Chicago there is an I-290 with the L trains in the middle of them too!
Excellent video! I miss the single yellow PCC's and the 5 car MU'd trains during rush hour. I rode the fantrips on No. 12 back in the 60's. Indeed, Shaker Rapid was way ahead of its time. Has Kingsbury Run yards and building been torn down?
Great video! Those trains seems very very news... I like it! I can see that train drivers can use cap while they're working, I'm a train driver too in Monterrey, México, but we cannnot use cap during we're working, only when our chiefs don't see us... Does this train go to the Cleveland Indians Stadium? Greetings !!!
The over headhead wires seem to low to be legal in UK. Also it looks like it is working well under capacity. It also looks heavy rail than light rail. Nice video. I took a train along the pugent sound once. Nice but slow.
If things are running perfect every ten minutes during rush hours and every 15 to 20 minutes otherwise. The light rail in Cleveland is 2 separate lines, the Green and Blue. That run most of the same line till they hit Shaker Square. After that it get less frequent. Also the part after Tower City going towards the Waterfront is weirdly way less frequent like every 20-30 minutes, that part is mostly just used by tourists and Football games.
@@joshuahawkes7218 yes, in North America (I know it well). My comment was kind of sarcastic towards the UK really. You will never hear the word anywhere now in these islands. It used to be used a lot say pre 2000. "Disabled" is the PC word used here now. I think it may still be used in legal terms though.
Nice video, the Shaker Heights system was way ahead of its time when built, many of the concepts of modern light rail systems wre featured in this line when built in the 1910's and 20's. Highway and street separation, transit oriented development, clean efficient affordable and environmentally friendly transport. It is one of only seven Lightrail/Streetcar/Trolley systems to survive in the USA, before the new systems started developing in the 80's.
Greeting from Pennsylvania. I have been an avid streetcar fan for about 70 years. Lots of the old streetcar systems were converted to buses after WWII, with a few actually lasting until about 1960. When you stated that only 7 systems actually survived abandonment or bus substitution into the LRT era did not ring true to me. I was skeptical of that number: it seemed too low to me, so I made my own list. It got up to 6 and then finally remembered the 7th city.
My list is Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Boston, Newark, Cleveland (Shaker Heights), San Francisco, and finally....New Orleans. Is that the same 7 cities that you counted? (And of course you also have the massive system in Toronto Canada.) Thank you for the fun mental exercise. Good riding!! CAS
@@charlesshivoder2887 The same cities are what I counted, El Paso Texas had one line that made it until 1974 almost making it to the LRT era. I got to like trolleys watching them in Philadelphia as a toddler back in the 1960's, my mother actually used the Germantown Route 23 Trolley to go to work at Temple University.
mrjsanchez1 Hi again from Pennsylvania. I lived near Philadelphia for many years and know the 23 line very well. Also the original El Paso cars are coming back to life!! Nice chatting with you. CAS
I have visited Cleveland several years ago and rode the light rail lines. I live in suburban Philadelphia and those two lines reminded me of my two local lines. The Media and Sharon Hill old Red Arrow line trolleys which run on common trackage to a point where they split to access their end points. The Cleveland system does have one difference that is better than my two lines. They provide a one seat ride into downtown. On my lines we have to change to the heavy rail elevated - subway line to get to the downtown area.
Awesome video. I'm a huge train lover. I love to be the first car at gate.
It doesn’t seem that rare for drivers to go all the way across the line with an empty train.
So how do the people in wheelchairs get on the train?
A great system and a great legacy of the Van Sweringen Brothers who developed Shaker Heights and Tower City (Union Terminal). It is sad that the existing underground terminal was originally designed to be used by other Cleveland interurban lines but many had closed by the time the Terminal opened in 1930 and those that survived couldn't afford the rent to use it.
I wonder how the trains would have worked if they built I-290 with them in the middle or on an elevated platform. Interestingly in Chicago there is an I-290 with the L trains in the middle of them too!
Excellent video! I miss the single yellow PCC's and the 5 car MU'd trains during rush hour. I rode the fantrips on No. 12 back in the 60's. Indeed, Shaker Rapid was way ahead of its time. Has Kingsbury Run yards and building been torn down?
Nice!
Great video! Those trains seems very very news... I like it! I can see that train drivers can use cap while they're working, I'm a train driver too in Monterrey, México, but we cannnot use cap during we're working, only when our chiefs don't see us... Does this train go to the Cleveland Indians Stadium? Greetings !!!
the nearest stop is at Tower City which has a covered walkway out to rocket mortgage fieldhouse, right across the street from the ball stadium
great video
The over headhead wires seem to low to be legal in UK. Also it looks like it is working well under capacity. It also looks heavy rail than light rail. Nice video. I took a train along the pugent sound once. Nice but slow.
Nope. That's a light rail here in the US
Story is Breda designed these cars to have wheel chair lifts but RTA ordered em removed. Same with Kawasaki LRVs at SEPTA in Philadelphia.
No
SEPTA's cars never had and were never designed to have lifts. That's a rumor.
Are PCC2’s have Wheelchair lifts on the route 15 Route
nice
That’s a destination sign? It’s an LED color strip! Lol
The signs were removed sometime in the last decade, probably because they kept breaking
Nah thats to say what line it is,well now at least
So how do the people in wheelchairs get on the train?
Yeah, Blue for Blue Line and Green for Green Line.
The "horns" that they have very weird. I live near the RTA and have seen them before, but the "horns" sound more like whistles!
They are whistles.
Who makes these LRVs, Siemens.?
Siemens, Bombardier, Alsthom, Breda, Kawasaki etc.
@@shanewalters4171 oh wow all of them.!
@@evangouldtransit Yup, they make a lot of LRVs
How big is a frequency of shuttling in this system ? Like for a great video
If things are running perfect every ten minutes during rush hours and every 15 to 20 minutes otherwise. The light rail in Cleveland is 2 separate lines, the Green and Blue. That run most of the same line till they hit Shaker Square. After that it get less frequent. Also the part after Tower City going towards the Waterfront is weirdly way less frequent like every 20-30 minutes, that part is mostly just used by tourists and Football games.
Are these the lines that use to run coupled PCC'S ?
Yes
The Green Line
Looks cool
almost like an old interurban
Same acceleration and deceleration as the P865/P2020s
As you all can see our rapid transit in Cleveland kind of sucks lol
I think calling it rapid transport is a slight exaggeration. Looks very slow!
tony jones 😂😂😂😂😂
It looks better than the one in Buffalo NY LMAO 😂 😂
@@tonyjones9442 Lol. I used to Cleveland for 4 years. Man, that Train was slow like a snail's pace.
The sound of square wheels and slow.
Albert Splinter That wouldn’t even roll
@@QuarioQuario54321 boink boink boink, the sound of flat parts on the wheel. A.k.a. square wheels, due to poor maintenance.
I really don't like these trains. They are dated and not accessible. If you ask me, the Siemens S70 would make a pretty good replacement.
Be nice if RTA had the $$$$$ for new trains.
To bad it appears to be non Handicap friendly.
Frank F It’s not. Low-floor vehicles might push use up.
It varies by station. All major stops are handicapped accessible.
@@jimmcmahon152 are we still allowed to use the word handicap?
@@tonyjones9442 yes, that's the official terminology used in all fields
@@joshuahawkes7218 yes, in North America (I know it well). My comment was kind of sarcastic towards the UK really. You will never hear the word anywhere now in these islands. It used to be used a lot say pre 2000. "Disabled" is the PC word used here now. I think it may still be used in legal terms though.
Looks like a very old and tired system. The rails need to be straitened out.
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