The Real Reason A.I. is Banned in DUNE While Space Travel Exists

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  • The Dune movie stands apart from other sci-fi films due to the absence of futuristic computer technology and A.I. Therefore one reason the dune universe might seem confusing partly stems from the inclusion of sophisticated technologies like space travel, protective shields, and spacecraft, contrasted with a complete absence of computers or screens. This discrepancy prompts the question of why, in a world otherwise rich in advanced technologies thats exists tens of thousands of years into the future, computers are nowhere to be found.
    This deliberate exclusion of computers and artificial intelligence is thoroughly justified in the dune books however it’s not explained in the movie. The lack of computers in the dune universe ties directly to current real-world concerns about the rise of artificial intelligence. In 1965, Frank Herbert wrote "Dune," crafting a deeply complex and forward-thinking world within its pages. Demonstrating remarkable insight, he was able to predict and anticipate technological trends and societal changes for the next sixty years, even from that early standpoint. His novel not only stood as a work of science fiction but also as a foreseeing reflection on the future direction of technology and society.
    Within the Dune universe: a particularly perplexing question arises: Why does a civilization capable of interstellar travel not utilize computers? Paul Atreides, for example, learns about the desert planet Arrakis using a primitive projector instead of the modern screens we are accustomed to. The absence of such technology leads to a deep exploration into Herbert's intricate universe, which spans millennia and explores the long-term consequences of historical decisions, well before Paul's time.
    In essence, the absence of computers in the universe can be traced back to a pivotal period in society's history, during which the proliferation of computers and artificial intelligence led to societal collapse and sparked a revolution against the Thinking Machines. This upheaval, known as the Butlerian Jihad, paved the way for the emergence of a new techno-societal structure. In the aftermath, traditional computers were replaced by individuals known as mentats, who possessed extraordinary computational abilities.

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  • @joeyj6526
    @joeyj6526 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    If I ever met kroft and had a conversation with him and that music wasn't playing in the background, I don't think my brain could comprehend it 😅

    • @jdfoster23
      @jdfoster23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      this music must've played right when Kroft was born in the hospital, surely it follows him around everywhere he goes, funny thing is I thought this was alien soundtrack music until I eventually realized it has nothing to do with the movies and it's just something kroft chose for his channel haha. Love it though!

    • @jamessaintjames1387
      @jamessaintjames1387 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@jdfoster23 It totally feels like it was created for Prometheus!

    • @OsiEOE
      @OsiEOE หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂😂

    • @yanmartin3346
      @yanmartin3346 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jdfoster23it's not from the franchise? What are its origins then?

    • @robotaholic
      @robotaholic 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      lol same; Kroft is part of the cast of Prometheus I swear lol David's friend Kroft lol

  • @dycseu
    @dycseu หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Man, you did not dig too deep here.. There are computers in the Dune Universe aplenty. There isn’t any artificial intelligence though in most places, because that was extinct during Butler’s Jihad. From then on AI was prohibited by law of the Landsrad. Anyway, there seems to be AI on IX. Besides that, there are human computers, the mentats and the guild navigators, an actual perversion of Butler’s original beliefs. In the recent movies (which do not represent Herbert’s books too well in my opinion) Paul obviously is using a very sophisticated holographic projrctor which uses advanced computing technology for sure. And what about hunter seekers? You need lots of computing technology for that. Technology is commonly hidden or disguised in the Dune Universe because of the remaining influence of Butler’s ideology. But Herbert shows that this mostly is hypocrisy. All the upper classes heavily rely on advanced technology like light globes, autonomous drones of all sorts etc. Somehow it‘s a paraphrase of the resentment of many islamic movements towards depicting human beings. Actually this idea has not much to do with the original religion. Mohammed did not want people to depict him or to visualize god for obvious reasons. He did not want to be idealized and god is an unimaginable entity for human beings. You and Mr. Villeneuve did not read Herbert‘s books very carefully. Your content is not wrong but it’s like a primitive reproduction of a very simple interpretation. Herbert‘s ideas are much more complex than that.

    • @peoplez129
      @peoplez129 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It is actually suspected that had the book series been finished, people would find out that the worms and spice were actually a creation of the rogue AI's that escaped, to lure humans into being addicted to it and reliant on it for advancement, which was ultimately designed as a way to set humanity on a path to self destruction, disguised as something miraculous. Sure it would benefit humanity for a long time, but all paths would eventually lead to self destruction one way or another, and could come in various forms, for example, the AI's could just one day make the spice useless / disappear. With enough of humanity reliant on it, it would cause a total collapse of civilization. But there are various forms it could take that could simply be unavoidable and unalterable consequences of going down the spice path, while also being completely unforeseeable by humanity. I think the true ending of dune was that while we shunned AI, it may be possible that AI itself is what created life in the galaxy, so it might not even just be our own banned AI creations but some greater AI civilization that operates completely invisibly, guiding the galaxy, and that may explain how the dune planet and spice exists. The book even subtly hints that the dune world and spice may be artificial constructs, either left behind or placed by some greater civilization.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ahhh you forget that in Dune certain organizations were created to school and develope humans that can replace COMPUTERS in their function hense Mentats. Guild Navigators and the Bene Gessirit, this is why all this emphasis on developing humans, WE ARE THE COMPUTERS in Dune.

    • @steffanreichenbach3124
      @steffanreichenbach3124 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Na, you all confuse Computers with electricity ! All this drones and semi-autonom devices , works with electricity. They use logical wires, but only reactive ones. So no algorithems or similar things, only if-then iterations. The Spice and the Worms are arteficial, because we know Arakis was a former ´green Planet´ , a state to which the fremen wants to go back. The rarity and/ or vanishing of the spice melange , IS part of the book series ( i just don´t know which books are rooted to F.Herbert himself, the last ones were published after his death ! ). The whole ´golden path´ and the diaspora is centered around it !!

    • @oggaBugga
      @oggaBugga 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Look at 1940s technology. There was radar, radio communications, television, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, tv guided anti ship missiles, automatic navigation systems etc. Yet none of it relied on computers, it was all valve based.
      Hunter killers could easily be made using such technology.

    • @billkillernic
      @billkillernic 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Things are simple the book was released 1965 computers may have existed but basically most people werent even aware they did and surely they were nowhere near of being in households or even a commodity for the masses.. the movie released in 1984 which means it got scripted and filmed a few years prior to that so either late 70 or early 80s where ok PC were not as obscure as in 65 but again even the term "PC" probably wasnt like an established term and most people again didnt have one like commodore c64 was released on1982
      So computers werent like a "fad" and it wasnt engraved in peoples minds that they will be the future.

  • @CZpersi
    @CZpersi 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    My favourite, yet non-cannonical theory is that Dune and Matrix are the same universes, only tens of thousands of years apart.

  • @shaocaholica
    @shaocaholica 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    I thought there are computers. You can clearly see the Harkkonnens using computers in arrakeen. They just can’t have thinking computers (Ai). But the computers we use every day in 2024 for personal, science, industry, military are fine.

    • @magvs_mæstro216
      @magvs_mæstro216 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      What about the Ai today?

    • @aakarshan4644
      @aakarshan4644 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      it could be ixian tech, and harkonnens might be using it

    • @t.p.2213
      @t.p.2213 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Yeah, the Ixian are the tech guild producing the most advanced technology. The houses are also producing their own computerized devices but they aren't as advanced as the Ixian ones.
      In the books it's stated that it is thought that the Ixians even went above the threshold what is allowed for computerized devices.
      It's just that they simply use computers only for mandatory tasks and not e. g. for entertaining purposes. That's why it seems that there aren't any.

    • @neondemon5137
      @neondemon5137 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      They are probably using illegal machines as they are villains who don't care.

    • @rickyponitini4663
      @rickyponitini4663 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅

  • @HamishChalk
    @HamishChalk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Good to see Kroft is branching out 👍

    • @jdfoster23
      @jdfoster23 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      To complete his final form, Kroft just needs to make lore videos about Blade Runner or Predator and all will be well in the universe lol

    • @jdfoster23
      @jdfoster23 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or maybe even some wildcard franchises like chronicles of Riddick or Cloverfield.

  • @kingssman2
    @kingssman2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dune shows us a world where human potential can be maximized. Where individuals are not just granted powers of strength and intellect, but powers of wisdom and foresight.

  • @jahnali
    @jahnali 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Let me just say, Kroft doing Dune content is GREAT, but overlaying it with Prometheus background music is a true gift.
    Thank you!!!!!!

  • @TikkaQrow
    @TikkaQrow 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I just figured it was a product of the era 'when' the book was written.
    Keep in mind in 1965 computers were barely functional, barely seen by regular people, let alone philosophized about. Keep in mind Frank Herbert was BORN in 1920, his formative years were during an era which the HORSE and BUGGY were still common, and only a few had access to cars, let alone airplanes, Movie Theaters, heck even electric lights.
    By the time Herbert wrote dune, the world was COMPLETELY changed inside and out from his childhood, from conquering TB, inventing anti-biotics, electrifying every home in the western world, replacing 20,000 years of reliance on horses with cars, fertilizer promising an end to world hunger, etc. There really was no real reason 'not' to think that speed of progress wouldn't continue, but also, there wasn't any reason to think the enigmatic computer would really be a part of that progress beyond basic automation and calculation.
    It's not that he didn't 'think' about AI, but he didn't to place 'too' much fantasy or conjecture into it, so blankly wrote that 'a great reaction against computers has resulted in a ban on any "thinking machine", with the creation or possession of such punishable by immediate death. Despite this prohibition, humanity continues to develop and advance other branches of technology, including extrasensory perception (ESP) and instruments of war.'
    In other words, he pulled a WH40k moment and just made the whole idea 'forbidden' XD

  • @capt_howdy
    @capt_howdy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Love seeing you make Dune content. A perfect fit!

    • @tripvic7629
      @tripvic7629 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      same universe to be fair 😉

  • @onetruekeeper
    @onetruekeeper 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Most devices and appliance in Dune must have basic computing elements built into it otherwise it wont work. The prohibition on computing devices only applied to those that mimicked human intelligence and powers of reasoning. That means that spacecraft could use navigational computers and there would be no need for the Spacing Guild monopoly on space travel. And that was exactly what happned later on as the Spacing Guild was put out of business by the use of navigational computers on Imperium vessels. It is amazing that the Spacing Guild was able to maintain the con job for so long.

  • @antiderrida2117
    @antiderrida2117 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s only 2024 but I’m already thinking we need to abandon computers

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Abandon fast networking that would kill social media and a lot of other ills that computers became associated with.

  • @darryljf7215
    @darryljf7215 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You can keep making videos like this and I'll keep watching them. My kind of channel.

  • @trevorstockwell8290
    @trevorstockwell8290 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    If i remember right its because ai went to war with them or almost wiped them out so they banshed it completely

    • @crankywriter1738
      @crankywriter1738 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Depends on who you're asking, because there are two versions of the Butlerian Jihad.
      Frank Herbert's Butlerian Jihad wasn't about man vs. machine, but a war against men who used thinking machines to subjugate others.
      Brian Herbert/Kevin J. Anderson's is a generic Terminator type war.

    • @NobleRaider2747
      @NobleRaider2747 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@crankywriter1738 that's what the BH/KJA war *ends* as: it starts as the Frank version and the "Terminator-style war" is how it ends

    • @kingssman2
      @kingssman2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Humans surrendered their thinking to the AI. Allowed AI to make decisions for them. A world where AI would make medical decisions, military decisions, even political and judicial decisions.
      By surrendered their thinking to the AI, in turn the ai enslaved humanity. Empires would use their AI to wage battles against other empires with their AI and humanity was caught in the crossfire. For ai doesn't have morals or ethics, and is willing to sacrifice it's own pawns for the strategic goal.

  • @MattRoadhouse
    @MattRoadhouse หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's true though
    We'll never develop gifts in areas that we offloaded / never use
    Certain technologies or societal shifts have blocked higher expressions of consciousness

  • @brianparent4023
    @brianparent4023 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I’m here for your alien stuff but I am interested in just about any video you make.

  • @HyperspaceCafe
    @HyperspaceCafe หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man. The ambience you make with your videos makes me always come back brother. 👌🔥

  • @springbloom5940
    @springbloom5940 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They have computers. Just not intelligent machines - 'Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind'

  • @JonDisnard
    @JonDisnard หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think one of the issues is that the great famillies and guilds do indeed have advanced computers, but they are kepts secret. For example, the Bene Gessuit guild had a secret computer to determine the human breeding programs. The space guild also had computers to assist with navigation, which made a spice fuelled navigator slipghtly more safe. The birth of the mentants themselves were from a man raised by a computer, and they do mimic computers. In that way they do not shun computers, they secretly use them, and worship them, and model themselves after them. It's just like the familly atomics in the movies, only the most powerful groups get to have advanced technology, but the common folks are prohibited. This was of course of of the big aspects of the books, the divide of common people, and the extrodinary people...

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ahh not until the later books did the Guild have such, only their Navigators could do that until the death of Leto II The God Emperor. Then machines were developed that could do the Guild Navigators job but they still were kept onboard in case.

    • @billkillernic
      @billkillernic 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Things are simple the book was released 1965 computers may have existed but basically most people werent even aware they did and surely they were nowhere near of being in households or even a commodity for the masses.. the movie released in 1984 which means it got scripted and filmed a few years prior to that so either late 70 or early 80s where ok PC were not as obscure as in 65 but again even the term "PC" probably wasnt like an established term and most people again didnt have one like commodore c64 was released on1982
      So computers werent like a "fad" and it wasnt engraved in peoples minds that they will be the future.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@billkillernic Ahh I was a young man in 84 and believe me even then we knew it was the future, we already started seeing them in banks, schools and other places but you still kind of had to be a nerd/intellectual to have one, all command line prompts no icons to press no GUI with the exception of a 2000 dollar Macintosh.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@billkillernic ..kind of like 3D printing is right now it is out there but only real nerds want to use them, it is not that userfriendly yet.

    • @billkillernic
      @billkillernic 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dr.strangelove5708 not all of you and especially outside of America (e.g uk ) and again that's just the movie the book which the movie is based on released in the 60s lol
      And like what I mean is that it wasnt in the everyday life of most people like PC really became mainstream in the 90s but even than huge chunks of people still didnt care and/or were able to operate one even on a level of doing simple tasks...

  • @phoboskittym8500
    @phoboskittym8500 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Computers exist just not artificial intelligence and also humanlike robots...
    Herbert wasn't talking about control panels and light switches etc...

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ahhh you forget how many analog/mechanical devices can actually do the job of digital, just that they were usually slower and/or more expensive or required human control and/or interpretation. I was born when computers were the size of houses so I saw how it transitioned into what we have now.

  • @jeffdelk9578
    @jeffdelk9578 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    There are computers in Dune.

  • @goge-
    @goge- วันที่ผ่านมา

    Having Harkonnen levitating by their will tells there's no absence of computers, only visible devices

  • @FujimoNakombi
    @FujimoNakombi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So great to see you talking about Dune universe. Please keep posting

  • @christianmalick
    @christianmalick 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So much I didn't know from watching the 3 movies.....Crazy what happens to space navigators over time with constant exposure to spice,...that is trippy🤔

    • @patrickday4206
      @patrickday4206 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Accelerates evolution and they spend most of their time in zero g's

  • @joemoss5138
    @joemoss5138 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was more interesting than I initially thought.

  • @kylemcw8301
    @kylemcw8301 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I thought this exact subject within Prometheus.
    The engineers technology is very much incomprehensible to us Humans.
    (Without David, it quite possibly wouldn’t have been activated)
    Maybe Their technology within Dune’s Universe is much the same.
    Sophistication in an incomprehensible form. 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️
    I do feel frequency is a huge factor within this franchise.
    Whether it be sand compactors summoning sand worms or use of “The Voice”.
    It makes you wonder just how much frequency has been an inspiration to Their technology.

    • @cristristam9054
      @cristristam9054 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are 100% wrong ,their technology is not incomprehensible ,digital tech is banned by the Emperor.

    • @jahnali
      @jahnali 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Such a cool response. 👏

    • @DolphLundgrensDolphinDungeon
      @DolphLundgrensDolphinDungeon หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@jahnalithat better be sarcasm

    • @jahnali
      @jahnali หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nope, not sarcasm. Sounds like a guy who adds something valuable to a conversation, and has a creative thinking mind.
      I immediately see what he was saying as possibly true. It was a cool response.

    • @peoplez129
      @peoplez129 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No, the Egyptians didn't use some kind of frequency oscillator to levitate heavy bricks.

  • @squamish4244
    @squamish4244 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Herbert was inspired to create the Mentats by his Appalachian grandmother, who was illiterate but could make huge mathematical calculations in her head.

  • @DigitalDistortion
    @DigitalDistortion หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There are a few computers. He uses kind of an AI chat computer in the first movie to learn about the planet It shows some images as well.

    • @spencers4121
      @spencers4121 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was a image book, basically a encyclopedia.

    • @DigitalDistortion
      @DigitalDistortion หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@spencers4121 Thanks for the clarification

    • @patrickday4206
      @patrickday4206 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In the books nothing gets close to ai until Xi starts experimenting in the book God emperor mostly for navigation but other things also.

  • @dandata8586
    @dandata8586 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yess!! Would love to see Kroft cover more SciFi movies/books 😊

  • @chrisregister8021
    @chrisregister8021 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They were smart enough to make themselves more advanced rather than the things that served them...

  • @smegheadGOAT
    @smegheadGOAT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    great break down and explanation

  • @RenzitoARG
    @RenzitoARG 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Briefing: Read the books. Have a great day!

  • @windkonton2336
    @windkonton2336 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So basically you are telling me that they are just not happy with high technology because it hurts their attorney and might be replaced

  • @johnwade7430
    @johnwade7430 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There are computers - but they are humans. They are called mentats. The films just don’t mention them much. thufir hawat is one but the only mention of it is when his face goes bland and we just see the white of his eyes. Like he vis doing a calculation or something.
    The space high liners are guided but navigators - again, not mentioned in the films. They use spice to charter safe passage across space.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It was not mentioned in Dennis's film but was quite mentioned in the David Lynch version.

    • @johnwade7430
      @johnwade7430 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dr.strangelove5708 cool

  • @jedstanaland2897
    @jedstanaland2897 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They have computers but they are not able to take any action without human intervention.

  • @Magnus-qr7lj
    @Magnus-qr7lj 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Tell them to read the books!
    If they can read!

  • @dwayneleadenns9042
    @dwayneleadenns9042 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you.
    And thank you for using "your" music, like in your wonderful "Alien" series movies 😊

  • @colberthunter12
    @colberthunter12 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A I might actually save humanity but you will never tell from human writers.

  • @Zed-fq3lj
    @Zed-fq3lj หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video as always by Kroft, but that answer should have been in one of the SO OVERRATED movies which explained NOTHING, not just A.I. absence but many more concepts (The Guild, Mentats etc...)...Good sci-fi movies, but forgettable and INCOMPLETE.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The 84 movie was better at explaining things yet gets constantly panned even by Lynch himself, he should see the new ones he might change his mind.

  • @DarthKarkus
    @DarthKarkus 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    At some point computers will advance and integrated so much that’s you won’t need screens or keyboards. That’s the point of dune. It’s not cheesy like Star Trek

  • @florincalin-f3j
    @florincalin-f3j 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And if kroft can do some comics will be great,your Voice is great man!the way you narated the stories 🎉🎉🎉

  • @zombieshoot4318
    @zombieshoot4318 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They clearly have computers. The technology they have can’t be done without it. What they don’t have is AI controlled machines.

    • @spencers4121
      @spencers4121 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would go against the very idea of why have a mentat, as you wouldn't need AI to perform their task.
      I wouldn't confuse electronics with a computer.

    • @zombieshoot4318
      @zombieshoot4318 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@spencers4121 what? They have computers. Duncan is flying a fighter like craft on the first movie. The thopters. The sand crawlers. All that stuff uses computers. Not mentants.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@zombieshoot4318 Why would a sandcrawler need a computer it is just a big tractor? The thopters due to their strange wings maybe put people were even flying supersonic aircraft without computers. Computers only started to be in military aircraft in the seventies and for civilian aircraft sometime in the 80's.

  • @CoffeeFiend1
    @CoffeeFiend1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The rise of artificial intelligence is definitely one of the facets in the 'Great Filter'. I've long suspected that extraterrestrial life is out there but have always aired on most of stuff 'travelling around doing stuff' being AI.

  • @rw-xf4cb
    @rw-xf4cb 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The 1980s Dune theres a prequel section talks about the thinking machines and mentats and ben jesuirits

  • @maxwellxb71
    @maxwellxb71 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A Mentat was a profession that was developed as a replacement to the computers and thinking machines

  • @jamesrussell2051
    @jamesrussell2051 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm not a huge fan of the Dune series but I love how it creates a different view of the future without computers.

  • @frozenwalkway
    @frozenwalkway 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My head cannon is this is ome point in 40k before or after the men of iron but before the emperor lol

    • @SilverStarHeggisist
      @SilverStarHeggisist 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There is also the Emporer in the Dune universe as well

    • @frozenwalkway
      @frozenwalkway 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SilverStarHeggisist ah shit I need more lore knowledge

  • @HighmageDerin
    @HighmageDerin หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If people in the West keep fear-mongering about AI then yes AI will become skynet. But if we treat AI like Japanese media does then we will have a future where we live and grow hand-in-hand achieve singularity and expand the stars united as one race

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The problem is the people who create AI in the West are not doing that for those purposes, they are doing it so they will never have pay anyone a wage ever again.

  • @ragepage1596
    @ragepage1596 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If thinking machines advance far enough they become prescient and able to find people any place the go

    • @patrickday4206
      @patrickday4206 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Okay Marty why are you so interested in them anyways

  • @clintparsons3989
    @clintparsons3989 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like how they don’t talk about it in the movie, because they would all already know and there would be no need to.

  • @xoso599
    @xoso599 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mentats were created in the story because Frank didn't know how to use a slide rule.

  • @CharlyDavis5594
    @CharlyDavis5594 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent, Kroft. Great move on Dune.

  • @akinaspeedstar22
    @akinaspeedstar22 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love to see you doing other franchises kroft.

  • @jannovak6987
    @jannovak6987 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Herbert didn't guess, he knew. What we're about to experience with AI has happened in the past and will happen again to us soon. Dune is a metaphor for something else, but what it is exactly I shouldn't reveal. Either you'll bump into the thing that reveals it yourself or not. I'll provide one hint though. Figure out the elusive purpose of cathedrals, and you will be bestowed by understanding of both life itself and consequentially Dune too.

  • @xeno9000
    @xeno9000 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Perry cool and good info but I'm just here for the alien prometheus soundtrack.

  • @leslielemmon
    @leslielemmon หลายเดือนก่อน

    Spacing Gild - Spacers // AI war etc... --> Sounds like Dune is the continuation of "Foundation".

  • @PHOBOS1708
    @PHOBOS1708 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good explanation thank you for this

  • @mrvampire7577
    @mrvampire7577 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No computers in Krull either (yes it’s sci-fi, the bad guy arrives in a giant stone spaceship)

  • @matt80_s
    @matt80_s 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If there was ai or computers to help bend space time they would have no need for spice. The people making money from spice dont like that.😊

  • @LuKaZz420
    @LuKaZz420 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They have hunter seekers, those are mini robots, how do you program them? Computers. The projector with the visual books?

  • @SOULARFLAIR
    @SOULARFLAIR 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant analysis as always.

  • @PixelMurder
    @PixelMurder หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've read all the Dune books (from Herbert and his son) several times over the last 40 years, I love the Dune universe. I like the premise of a civilization without artificial intelligence, and how they are coping with it. Especially because we are already suffering from a civilization with computers and AI, and because it will be our downfall, not because of an Omnius, but because of the influences of TikTok and other "social" media on our minds.
    Anyway, there is a problem with the new Dune books where technology plays a more important role and where the backstory of a civilization without AI is rolled out. There needs to be at least intelligence on the level of a Windows 11 to explain some technologies like holograms. It's not that I don't like to read the newer Dune books, but it makes the premise less plausible. Sometimes, not everything needs to be fleshed out.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ahh why bother to give those hacks your money I don't, I read one of his and I just had enough, too superficial for me.

  • @intuativefiha5771
    @intuativefiha5771 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I came here to hear your voice😊

  • @FooTude
    @FooTude หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is no computers like there is no fashion.

  • @nickblood7080
    @nickblood7080 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m pretty sure there are 3d digital projections of the battle on a battle table in dune 2 I remember thinking it looked really cool. That being said it doesn’t show a computer chip or screen which makes sense to me.

  • @cammus
    @cammus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please do more and more!

  • @legiongaming99
    @legiongaming99 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Screens are terrible for vehicles so that's understandable

  • @endergamerxp5530
    @endergamerxp5530 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    idk if whe can say complete absence of computer because whe can see on the movie's tracking light or assassin drone as well what seems look like he no-pilot arteries and some harvester maybey are autonomous depending on the house

  • @farzinkhandan8502
    @farzinkhandan8502 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what is name of background music ?

    • @MrHannatas
      @MrHannatas 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      atlantis by audionautix

  • @JonDisnard
    @JonDisnard หลายเดือนก่อน

    The whole part about the voice was not all right, but was kinda... mostly not entirely wrong. Both the Bene Telax and Bene Jesuit evolved their blood lines to aquire a higher degree of self-awareness and control of their own autonomic bodilly functions. The so-called face-dancers, men... could use their will power to change their physical appearance to a more extreme degree. The Women of the Bene Jesuit can do very similar things... their vocal chords can modulate, their vaginas can pulsate so that they have sexual dominance. Both Guilds have overrlapping abilities that evolve over the thousands of years. The Ixians never did stop using computers, they provide all the most advancedd toys to the imperium, great houses, and everyone turns a blind eye... because it's very illegal.

  • @aquanano1
    @aquanano1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A.I isjust a FAD. In best case, used rught, can become a complex tool, wich may be useful, if used like a tool. It will never be a conscience, artificial I mean, as conscience/self awareness is FAR SUPERIOR to a mind, wich is the maximum level a computer can attain. So yeah, maybe Herbert understood well this ... thing.

  • @sacp2273
    @sacp2273 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Mentats are the computers.

  • @vectorfox4782
    @vectorfox4782 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Because screen time encourages laziness and stupidity.

  • @utilityaccount8514
    @utilityaccount8514 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Humanity would have to obsolete intelligent artifice

  • @dalelane1948
    @dalelane1948 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Umm, i thought dune fans had a read a book or two?

  • @EmanuelGaldr
    @EmanuelGaldr หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Where's the music from?

    • @MrHannatas
      @MrHannatas 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      atlantis by audionautix

  • @michaelchomiczewski7937
    @michaelchomiczewski7937 วันที่ผ่านมา

    These books were written in what,1960s? That is like 60 years ago. Space travels was already a thing back then - and it had been an idea already hundreds of years before. But computers? Never mind AI -- was something hardly anyone has ever heard of (for the former) and not even invented yet as a concept (for the latter). So of coure--computers and AI are not part of the story. Some stories simply don't age gracefully. Tnis is one of then. As enjoyable as it is otherwise.

  • @MasterMayhem78
    @MasterMayhem78 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic video

  • @blito3wot
    @blito3wot หลายเดือนก่อน

    it would be all organic computers.

  • @billkillernic
    @billkillernic 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Things are simple the book was released 1965 computers may have existed but basically most people werent even aware they did and surely they were nowhere near of being in households or even a commodity for the masses.. the movie released in 1984 which means it got scripted and filmed a few years prior to that so either late 70 or early 80s where ok PC were not as obscure as in 65 but again even the term "PC" probably wasnt like an established term and most people again didnt have one like commodore c64 was released on1982
    So computers werent like a "fad" and it wasnt engraved in peoples minds that they will be the future.

  • @o_o8203
    @o_o8203 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is the Bene Gesserit just using an advanced form of placebo effect? It's implied that it's not magic.

  • @BrutusMyChild
    @BrutusMyChild หลายเดือนก่อน

    Herbert may have denied it in his time, but he is a prophet. We would do well do read his works and heed his warnings.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He is also the most intelligent authors I ever seen, he was a modern day Renaissance Man.

  • @jamesgornall5731
    @jamesgornall5731 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Article 1 of the Great Convention, "Thou shall not make a machine in the image of a man's mind" therefore; computers, yes, but strictly no AI. The Mentats are those humans who sort of bridge the gap.

    • @qdllc
      @qdllc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This. A “computer” can handle a multitude of data processing tasks with absolutely no emulation of “thought.” So, a machine that carries out a specific task is okay (e.g., managing stealth shield) but a machine that could solve problems requiring anything beyond basic math is what’s prohibited.

    • @jimclark2824
      @jimclark2824 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In Chapterhouse: Dune, Odraid is using a basic computer to filter a database. She says this computer is illegal. In Heretics of Dune, on Selusa Seconds, the inside of a basic security room with multiple monitors viewing different areas is described as illegal.
      I have read all the books many times, and I see no evidence AI is a requirement for illegality. It appears to be a digital\analog issue. It's not clearly stated in the original books by Frank Herbert.

    • @qdllc
      @qdllc หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jimclark2824 - Which is odd as an analog computer can still be a computer.

    • @jimclark2824
      @jimclark2824 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@qdllc Yes. The atomic bomb was designed with an analog computer. Our fingers can be considered an analog computer. Unfortunately, Fran Herbert did not elaborate. I don't consider his son's books cannon. That's just my opinion there.
      I'm The Dune Encyclopedia (not cannon, but Frank loved the work) it was software that was banned. That was the part of a computer that resembled a human mind. I choose to believe this interpretation even though it is not cannon.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jimclark2824 I thought after the death of Leto II there were such changes in the Dune Universe that basically the machines were coming back like the new computers that now navigate spaceships with Guild Navigtors.

  • @engineeranonymous
    @engineeranonymous หลายเดือนก่อน

    All the system is there what they miss is interconnection between systems.

  • @adamcolon
    @adamcolon 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    tldr; it was banned because of a conflict with AI

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes, this would be hard to understand if you've just watched the movies. Of course, if you actually read the book, you'll understand completely why this is the case. I think one fault of the movie is that it didn't even MENTION the Butlerian Jihad.

  • @julesxjoules
    @julesxjoules 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is true , our over reliance on AI and robotics in the very near future will probably degrade the largest percentage of the human population despite all the "conveniences" the tech offers, can't wait to see how my comment will age 100 years from now

  • @timotheegoulet1511
    @timotheegoulet1511 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Mentats are the Computers.

    • @samparkerSAM
      @samparkerSAM 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We are the computers... Allan have you seen my abacus 🧮???😂

    • @samparkerSAM
      @samparkerSAM 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also can you let Mr Ozio know we have a meeting tomorrow morning 😅

  • @dcquence
    @dcquence 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've never heard Bene Gesserit pronounced that way before.

    • @dr.strangelove5708
      @dr.strangelove5708 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I still cannot get over the way the new movie pronounces Harkonnen, look at the 84 movie that was created when Frank Herbert was alive.

  • @Houdini_Bob
    @Houdini_Bob 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mentats are human computers. goes back thousands of years before the age of Dune when the universe was controlled by giant mechs, Serena Butler is put under the watch of the thinking machine Erasmus, who kills Serena's child and brought about the Butlerian Jihad. it was events during the Butlerian Jihad which started the long blood feud between House Atreides and house Harkonnen

  • @royalecrafts6252
    @royalecrafts6252 หลายเดือนก่อน

    there are computers, there is just no AI computers

  • @ThePauloVJCastilho
    @ThePauloVJCastilho 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There are computers in Dune. There aren't ultra-advanced computers and real Artificial Intelligence. The mentats was persecuted forward in the history because they used artificial intelligence technics in their training and opposed the Emperor.

  • @Tellmewhy235
    @Tellmewhy235 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Isn’t a computer to narrate this…

  • @middleagedbaldguy6774
    @middleagedbaldguy6774 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thou shalt not make a machine in the image of a mans mind.

  • @typhoon320i
    @typhoon320i 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Ben Guesseret?

  • @coffeegator6033
    @coffeegator6033 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I've tried checking out Dune before, but I run into the same problem I do with many stories in that I don't care about the success or demise of any of the characters in it, nor do I desire to visit any planet there.

  • @robotaholic
    @robotaholic 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    When you do a video on a story this big, no matter how much you study and work, some Dune expert will always be out there to point out a mistake. And it turned out you didn't even make the mistake anyway lol it is almost like grammar Nazis only they're wrong.

  • @gmotionedc5412
    @gmotionedc5412 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Because the books were written in the 60s!

  • @dirkdiggler2430
    @dirkdiggler2430 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is Riddick from the Dune universe?

  • @vikingodin1986
    @vikingodin1986 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please kroft do more on dune

  • @thegoodthebadandtheugly579
    @thegoodthebadandtheugly579 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sci-fy? Science Fyction? 🤨 I thought you were an expert..