Thank you for watching - please Thumbs Up & SUBSCRIBE - You can get PGF complete here: amzn.to/2LDGI2J & Blazer cleaner here: amzn.to/2Qir4hx Pro Spreder: amzn.to/4c4buL1
Could you also share a link to that nifty looking pneumatic gauge you used to measure your tire pressure? It looks like it's made by "Powertank". Thanks!
@@bmc5180 Sure it's this one amzn.to/31HaSYf Not cheap but a tire inflator can last a lifetime and they even improved it a bit too since I bought mine maybe 7 years ago. Amazing tool.
Dialing the spreader knob back to half to avoid over-application is something that never occurred to me-and that's why Silver Cymbal is the best. Of course, I have a way to go before I can afford a way-cool spreader with REAL tires instead of plastic discs, but I'm just getting started! But here's the thing: While producing these videos (which takes time over and above keeping his lawn looking great), these videos give people knowledge that they can keep, free of charge for the rest of their lives. Is there anything more noble than a great teacher-at any age? I submit there is not! Thanks, SC, and keep 'em coming.
I’m ready to take on my lawn!! As a newly single mom I’ve been doing my research. I found the products but didn’t know how to use a spreader. Knowing how to clean in properly is just as important! Weed killer to seed spreader… 🤔
You can use leaf blower to speed up the dry time on your spreader. It gets a majority off quickly as well as getting water out of nooks/crannies. I use mine every time after a wash. Great video
Good tips. I'm a professional cricket groundsman. First thing. If you haven't got pneumatic tyres and a hopper that can accommodate 20kgs (about 40lbs) then don't bother. Recycle the spreader you bought with clunky wheels and plastic gears. Use a contractor instead. If you have, yes, get your tyre pressures correct so the distribution isn't listing to one side. Never spread on a windy day. Spread in still air before rain is expected. One pass is hopeless, two is better, three or four will produce professional results. It is a case of less and often. Ignore the dials and manuals, just look at the hopper opening and set it to very narrow and travel over the area 3 or 4 times. When you are finished, thoroughly hose down the machine in an area that doesn't pollute a watercourse or affect wildlife. All the ingredients of a granular fertiliser are water soluble but often corrosive. Sit your washed out spreader in the sun to dry completely. Afterwards spray all moving parts or exposed or powder coated metal with an aerosol penetrating oil such as WD40. Unwashed a spreader will last 2 years before disappearing in a pile of rust. Washed dried and oiled I have 2 that are 20 years old.
I was afraid I'd have to do two rounds, to eliminate the zebra stripes pun. Funny they just came about the last two years and I wondered what I was doing wrong. Things functioning fine. I'm spaced out.. Looks like I'll have to do criss cross to make sure.
Good video! I have an earthway spreader. I love the Fertilizer you were using but at half the rate it doesn’t seem to come out of the spreader well. The checker board pattern is the way to go. Thanks again for the video!
Simple stuff but very helpful. I’ve dumped bags myself. Added perk, the spreader tips and bangs you in the shin on the way down. Fun Thanks for posting!
I really enjoy your vids. You do great editing and video work, and cover helpful topics for the DIY yard guy. My broadcast spreader is towable, and on a zero turn I can’t reach to turn it on and off. Real pain. I’m gonna look into the cleaning product. I always rinse real well, but adding a detergent may be the way to go. 👍
Awesome video ! ~ quick question, i live in Miami Florida and our property is just over a quarter acre. It's ALL sand and weeds. It's a grey dirty kind of sand (if you've been to Florida , you'll know what I mean) ~ a friend of mine, also Floridian , suggested i use a lawn spreader filled with limestone to kill the weeds and that the grass LOVES it and will grow like crazy. My question though , is do i have to get some sort of top soil or specific soil prior to spreading grass seeds ? Also , if i do the limestone treatment, do i do that first and get all the dead weeds out and THEN do the soil and spread grass seeds ? I'm kinda confused , cuz my friend told me the limestone itself will inspire the grass 2 grow, the weeds clearly have no problem growing, but i really want to have that nice fluffy grass u can run around in barefoot and lie down in and not get covered in dirty sand; which is very hard to achieve down here. Any tips on that ? ~ thank u for ur video ! Very informative! ✌✌
I know this is an older video but I hope you can help me as I'm a senior female, who knows nothing about lawn care other than mowing and pulling weeds, but now find myself in a position of having to do it all myself. I live on a corner so I have a lawn that's wider around the curb and narrows as I move towards the house. I also have 4 trees, a lot of small "nooks & crannies" and flower beds around 3 sides of the house with 2 being very curvy. Last but not least, my lawn is extremely lumpy and bumpy. With all these obstacles, I am beginning to think it will be impossible to avoid over lapping and missing places as well. How can I do areas where there's not even 5ft of space or less or where I can't get all the way to the lawn's edge? HOW DO I STAY STRAIGHT when I have no wheel marks to follow (I have not a shadow of a doubt I will be walking like I was drunk)?? If I used a drop spreader I'd have wheel marks to follow, I'm told they're much less forgiving and I'd still have the other issues (I do have both). I apologize the lengthy post but I'm at my wits end and praying that you see this and respond. Thank you.
@silver cymbol i have just purchased the anderson Sr 2000 spreader. Its not alot of info online about how to use it. Was wondering if you could give me pointers on how to use the cone (orange) and what the numbers on it mean.
This is a really cool spreader. Can you still find these? I think Anderson may have discontinued them. Do you have any more modern spreader recommendations?
@silver Cymbal please when I’m redoing the lawn 1. I have the seed and starter fertilizer. 2. How long do I put organic fertilizer and also when do I put pgf? 3. What is the difference between pgf and humic acid
#1 sounds perfect.You don't have to ever use organic but you can alternate like I do when the grass is a mature 2months+ old. PGF complete is fertilizer with Humic acid in it. Not as concentrated but I great combination product that combines 2 steps. If you want to focus on soil improvement alone Humic DG is better alone but after a dose or two of that PGF complete can be your reg fert.
Silver Cymbal great tips. Can you give me the product link for your winterize fertilizer? 2. When do you apply that fertilizer (in what month do you apply the winterize fertilizer)
@@marvinmensah2956 I don't usually bother with a winter fertilizer. I just use a regular one, I don't like to buy too many products. I will just use PGF complete or the Andersons reg fertilizer
someone explain something to me please. My yard is 21k sqft I bought a 40lb bag that covers 15k sqft I put it in the mini spreader at the prescribed setting (3.25) I did my whole yard anr barely used a quarter of the bag Did i do something wrong ?
Good tips! When you drop that side deflector thing, don't you end up with a very fertilizer-rich stripe along that side? Like if your spreader shoots 5' in either side, isn't the result that all 5' of fertilizer from one side is concentrated in a few inches along the wheel line?
You may have found the answer by now, but if not here it is. Usually with spreaders or at least this one in particular (I use this one everyday as I’m a lawn care tech) there’s a system similar to bicycle brake cables. Theres a knob you push in and it pushes a steel cable which is connected to a metal hole blocker to cover the third hole inside the hopper. So the fertilizer flow is reduced to compensate for when you have the guard down and won’t be too heavy an application on that side. And with the same knob you simply pull out to expose the third hole again when not running the guard
The SR2000 is like the Ferrari of spreaders but has a crazy high price! Mine was bought used as can be seen in one of my early videos but if you can afford one new, it is a great spreader but the LCO1000 is absolutely fantastic. I would take the LCO over the Lesco unit any day.
Hey Sliver Cymbal, I just got myself PGF Complate few days ago and wanted to ask you couple of questions. Right now, I am using the Scotts' products. And its almost fall here in Texas. The one that I will be applying in few days is called Scotts Turf Builder winterguard fall weed and feed. Do you think I can also use PGF Complate together? By the way, your videos are very helpful. Hope to hear back from you doc.
It depends on who makes your spreader. You need to find the manufacturer and look up if they have a rate chart online, almost all of them do. That will tell you what # or letter to use for the 2lbs per 1000sq ft.
Brace yourself for this one amzn.to/2O4sjhk I bought this used for peanuts and recommend if you can find one but I am hoping to have a budget model in the near future to review that's as close to this as possible but much less.
SC I appreciate your response! And yeah way to much $ . . . I have researched some, found this spreader at Lowes - Agri-Fab 130-lb Broadcast Spreader $159.39 www.lowes.com/pd/Agri-Fab-130-lb-Broadcast-Spreader/1000108639 Do you have any thoughts on Agri-Fab Spreaders?
The one in the video is the 2000SR and not the LCO. They are very close in design but the 2000SR has the helical cone which allows adjusting the swath side to side
biggest problem I have is spreaders clogging at the windows and the agitator pin being way too short giving you a spreader that spreads nothing or has stopped leaving a volcano shape of material in the hopper
I think you mean the ecolawn and I have used them for topsoil. I would only use sand on Bermuda. You can see more about using sand vs soil here: th-cam.com/video/MLbQKfldvdw/w-d-xo.html
Hey Silver, First, Thank You for your videos, I’ve leaned so much from watching them. I just finished core aerating, I over seeded, used a starter fertilizer, and added lime. I am waiting about 3 weeks before I first cut. I want to add a winterizer in late October, but the Lesco 18-0-12 that you are using is unavailable in my area. Could I use a Lesco 24-0-11 instead?
This is their pro spreader and I bought it used for peanuts. You can check it out here but for most homeowners including me, new is out of the question. I am hoping to have a budget minded semi pro one coming soon. But you can see it here: amzn.to/2O4sjhk
@@superameric8 If you do buy one it is the best spreader ever made. They use these all over the world, golf courses and pros like. From what I saw there has never been a more accurate spreader since they have a patented cone design.
On average yes but try to find the manual on your spreader and sometimes products have different throws, because the particles weigh more or less. But don't over worry about it and yes most of the time I am around 5ft.
you don't have to go over go over it twice. throw back to your tire mark and you will never get streaks. That is a waste of time, just take your time and do it right the first time.
Hey Sliver Cymbal, I just got myself PGF Complate few days ago and wanted to ask you couple of questions. Right now, I am using the Scotts' products. And its almost fall here in Texas. The one that I will be applying in few days is called Scotts Turf Builder winterguard fall weed and feed. Do you think I can also use PGF Complate together? By the way, your videos are very helpful. Hope to hear back from you doc.
Thank you for watching - please Thumbs Up & SUBSCRIBE - You can get PGF complete here: amzn.to/2LDGI2J & Blazer cleaner here: amzn.to/2Qir4hx Pro Spreder: amzn.to/4c4buL1
Could you also share a link to that nifty looking pneumatic gauge you used to measure your tire pressure? It looks like it's made by "Powertank". Thanks!
@@bmc5180 Sure it's this one amzn.to/31HaSYf Not cheap but a tire inflator can last a lifetime and they even improved it a bit too since I bought mine maybe 7 years ago. Amazing tool.
Do I put this fertilizer and the Surge weed n feed now in the fall ?
Dialing the spreader knob back to half to avoid over-application is something that never occurred to me-and that's why Silver Cymbal is the best.
Of course, I have a way to go before I can afford a way-cool spreader with REAL tires instead of plastic discs, but I'm just getting started!
But here's the thing:
While producing these videos (which takes time over and above keeping his lawn looking great), these videos give people knowledge that they can keep, free of charge for the rest of their lives. Is there anything more noble than a great teacher-at any age?
I submit there is not! Thanks, SC, and keep 'em coming.
Thank you so much for such a wonderful comment. I really appreciate it.
I’m ready to take on my lawn!! As a newly single mom I’ve been doing my research. I found the products but didn’t know how to use a spreader. Knowing how to clean in properly is just as important! Weed killer to seed spreader… 🤔
You continue to provide practical, non-overwhelming tips and I appreciate that. The content and length of your videos are outstanding. Thanks again👍🏻
Thank you very much, that is a really nice thing to say!
Thank you for keeping it short and sweet
first time homeowner and about to tackle our first season. thanks for the great video!
You can use leaf blower to speed up the dry time on your spreader. It gets a majority off quickly as well as getting water out of nooks/crannies. I use mine every time after a wash. Great video
Great idea! Thanks
Good tips. I'm a professional cricket groundsman. First thing. If you haven't got pneumatic tyres and a hopper that can accommodate 20kgs (about 40lbs) then don't bother. Recycle the spreader you bought with clunky wheels and plastic gears. Use a contractor instead.
If you have, yes, get your tyre pressures correct so the distribution isn't listing to one side. Never spread on a windy day. Spread in still air before rain is expected. One pass is hopeless, two is better, three or four will produce professional results. It is a case of less and often. Ignore the dials and manuals, just look at the hopper opening and set it to very narrow and travel over the area 3 or 4 times. When you are finished, thoroughly hose down the machine in an area that doesn't pollute a watercourse or affect wildlife. All the ingredients of a granular fertiliser are water soluble but often corrosive. Sit your washed out spreader in the sun to dry completely. Afterwards spray all moving parts or exposed or powder coated metal with an aerosol penetrating oil such as WD40. Unwashed a spreader will last 2 years before disappearing in a pile of rust. Washed dried and oiled I have 2 that are 20 years old.
Ok. I'm doing so many things wrong. You just stepped up my game! Thank you so much. I would love to be your neighbor!
Thank you I really appreciate that. Not sure about the second part, I mow an awful lot!
Great information and I appreciate the blazer tip. Thank you and thank you for taking the time to share your information.
I appreciate that a lot. The blazer stuff is nice since it's cheap and actually works. I use it in my sprayers a lot.
Wow! Excellent idea. I hope to get rid of those zebra stripe right away.
I was afraid I'd have to do two rounds, to eliminate the zebra stripes pun. Funny they just came about the last two years and I wondered what I was doing wrong. Things functioning fine. I'm spaced out.. Looks like I'll have to do criss cross to make sure.
This was AWESOME!! Thank you!! 👏👏👏👏
Thorough review with great advice; thanks.
I'm going to try this today. Never thought to lower the spreader setting and go in a crisscross pattern.
Makes a big difference, I stil do it otherwise I a bound to see a stripe here and there.
A real blessing Silver Cymbal...thanks for breaking things down for the people.
Another great and informative video! Thanks! 😎
Good video! I have an earthway spreader. I love the Fertilizer you were using but at half the rate it doesn’t seem to come out of the spreader well. The checker board pattern is the way to go. Thanks again for the video!
Thank you very much
Dude is a baller. Best lawn videos ever.
Great tip with the cross cross
I know this video is 2 year old by now, but I had a question. How far apart are your checkerboard lines?
Thank you
Simple stuff but very helpful. I’ve dumped bags myself. Added perk, the spreader tips and bangs you in the shin on the way down. Fun
Thanks for posting!
i have always used half the recommended rate for all dry fert, sometimes i think the rates are a way of pushing sales and needing more product
I really enjoy your vids. You do great editing and video work, and cover helpful topics for the DIY yard guy. My broadcast spreader is towable, and on a zero turn I can’t reach to turn it on and off. Real pain. I’m gonna look into the cleaning product. I always rinse real well, but adding a detergent may be the way to go. 👍
Thank you very much I really appreciate it
Great video. Thanks for your time and videos.
Thank you
Great video! New items on the list. Better spreader, pickup truck and Anderssons products.
Thank you so much I appreciate that
Thank you kind sir for the content you provide!
Thank you
Awesome spreader, would love to try it out
Thank you. They are really good and do come up used for purchase which is how I got this one.
Dialing back spreader setting to half of what is recommended never occured to me. Thanks for the tip.
Great video you realise you could be a stuntman for John travolta. Good money
I bought it an it matches perfectly!!!
Awesome video ! ~ quick question, i live in Miami Florida and our property is just over a quarter acre. It's ALL sand and weeds. It's a grey dirty kind of sand (if you've been to Florida , you'll know what I mean) ~ a friend of mine, also Floridian , suggested i use a lawn spreader filled with limestone to kill the weeds and that the grass LOVES it and will grow like crazy. My question though , is do i have to get some sort of top soil or specific soil prior to spreading grass seeds ? Also , if i do the limestone treatment, do i do that first and get all the dead weeds out and THEN do the soil and spread grass seeds ? I'm kinda confused , cuz my friend told me the limestone itself will inspire the grass 2 grow, the weeds clearly have no problem growing, but i really want to have that nice fluffy grass u can run around in barefoot and lie down in and not get covered in dirty sand; which is very hard to achieve down here. Any tips on that ? ~ thank u for ur video ! Very informative! ✌✌
I know this is an older video but I hope you can help me as I'm a senior female, who knows nothing about lawn care other than mowing and pulling weeds, but now find myself in a position of having to do it all myself.
I live on a corner so I have a lawn that's wider around the curb and narrows as I move towards the house. I also have 4 trees, a lot of small "nooks & crannies" and flower beds around 3 sides of the house with 2 being very curvy. Last but not least, my lawn is extremely lumpy and bumpy.
With all these obstacles, I am beginning to think it will be impossible to avoid over lapping and missing places as well. How can I do areas where there's not even 5ft of space or less or where I can't get all the way to the lawn's edge?
HOW DO I STAY STRAIGHT when I have no wheel marks to follow (I have not a shadow of a doubt I will be walking like I was drunk)?? If I used a drop spreader I'd have wheel marks to follow, I'm told they're much less forgiving and I'd still have the other issues (I do have both).
I apologize the lengthy post but I'm at my wits end and praying that you see this and respond. Thank you.
Great content! Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Nice video 👍
Thank you very much
Cool video. Thanks
Thank you very much
@silver cymbol i have just purchased the anderson Sr 2000 spreader. Its not alot of info online about how to use it. Was wondering if you could give me pointers on how to use the cone (orange) and what the numbers on it mean.
This is a really cool spreader. Can you still find these? I think Anderson may have discontinued them. Do you have any more modern spreader recommendations?
Can you use one of these to spread top dressing ?
Should you do your perimeter pass at the bag setting then drop to half for the inner passes?
@silver Cymbal please when I’m redoing the lawn
1. I have the seed and starter fertilizer.
2. How long do I put organic fertilizer and also when do I put pgf?
3. What is the difference between pgf and humic acid
#1 sounds perfect.You don't have to ever use organic but you can alternate like I do when the grass is a mature 2months+ old. PGF complete is fertilizer with Humic acid in it. Not as concentrated but I great combination product that combines 2 steps. If you want to focus on soil improvement alone Humic DG is better alone but after a dose or two of that PGF complete can be your reg fert.
Silver Cymbal great tips. Can you give me the product link for your winterize fertilizer?
2. When do you apply that fertilizer (in what month do you apply the winterize fertilizer)
@@marvinmensah2956 I don't usually bother with a winter fertilizer. I just use a regular one, I don't like to buy too many products. I will just use PGF complete or the Andersons reg fertilizer
Silver Cymbal got it. Will stick to PGF
Very helpful.
I wished you would have added a section on how to use Calibration Gauges and application charts Lesko versus Scotts.
Not all spreader openings are linear. So setting 3 is not always half of setting 6.
someone explain something to me please.
My yard is 21k sqft
I bought a 40lb bag that covers 15k sqft
I put it in the mini spreader at the prescribed setting (3.25)
I did my whole yard anr barely used a quarter of the bag
Did i do something wrong ?
Good tips! When you drop that side deflector thing, don't you end up with a very fertilizer-rich stripe along that side? Like if your spreader shoots 5' in either side, isn't the result that all 5' of fertilizer from one side is concentrated in a few inches along the wheel line?
You may have found the answer by now, but if not here it is. Usually with spreaders or at least this one in particular (I use this one everyday as I’m a lawn care tech) there’s a system similar to bicycle brake cables. Theres a knob you push in and it pushes a steel cable which is connected to a metal hole blocker to cover the third hole inside the hopper. So the fertilizer flow is reduced to compensate for when you have the guard down and won’t be too heavy an application on that side. And with the same knob you simply pull out to expose the third hole again when not running the guard
What was your cone setting for this job? There little information on this.
Love your videos. How much sq ft you have? it looks like your lawn is bigger that 5k sq ft. I have 17k front yard and has been a challenge.
I have different areas of my lot. I have one with 16k or so of grass. Another with 15k. The one shown here is a portion of the 16k
You've reviewed both the Lco 1000 and 2000SR... which one do you prefer?
The SR2000 is like the Ferrari of spreaders but has a crazy high price! Mine was bought used as can be seen in one of my early videos but if you can afford one new, it is a great spreader but the LCO1000 is absolutely fantastic. I would take the LCO over the Lesco unit any day.
Hey Sliver Cymbal, I just got myself PGF Complate few days ago and wanted to ask
you couple of questions. Right now, I am using the Scotts' products. And
its almost fall here in Texas. The one that I will be applying in few
days is called Scotts Turf Builder winterguard fall weed and feed. Do
you think I can also use PGF Complate together? By the way, your videos
are very helpful. Hope to hear back from you doc.
Thank you so much for the following tip. Do you know where I can buy the fertilizer that you're using and how often I should be using it?
Thank you very much, yes you can get it right here: amzn.to/2LDGI2J
If it only says 2 lbs per 1000 sq ft how do you set your spreader settings
It depends on who makes your spreader. You need to find the manufacturer and look up if they have a rate chart online, almost all of them do. That will tell you what # or letter to use for the 2lbs per 1000sq ft.
Thanx
I have a small lawn only takes me 13 runs with mower and I'm done but in my area can't find a drop spreader which would be perfect what do I do ?
nice video and quality info. Could you please provide a Link where to purchase the Anderson spreader you are using? Much appreciate ya and thx!
Brace yourself for this one amzn.to/2O4sjhk I bought this used for peanuts and recommend if you can find one but I am hoping to have a budget model in the near future to review that's as close to this as possible but much less.
SC I appreciate your response! And yeah way to much $ . . . I have researched some, found this spreader at Lowes - Agri-Fab 130-lb Broadcast Spreader $159.39 www.lowes.com/pd/Agri-Fab-130-lb-Broadcast-Spreader/1000108639 Do you have any thoughts on Agri-Fab Spreaders?
Where can I get a commercial type spreader like this one in the video?
andersonsplantnutrient.com/turf/lawn-landscape/products/spreaders/LCO1000
John Fetter thank you. I’ll check them out.
The one in the video is the 2000SR and not the LCO. They are very close in design but the 2000SR has the helical cone which allows adjusting the swath side to side
Do I put this fertilizer and the Surge weed n feed now in the fall ? Like you said on one ck your other weed killer videos ?
Yes if you have weeds you can apply it now but I wouldn't apply fertilizers in general after early October though
biggest problem I have is spreaders clogging at the windows and the agitator pin being way too short giving you a spreader that spreads nothing or has stopped leaving a volcano shape of material in the hopper
Thanks! RWB ❤🎉
Nice video. Have you ever used biochar on your lawn? How much Humic DG do you use in a season?
Have you ever used a Eco-spreader for spreading sand or can you do it with the one shown in your video???
I think you mean the ecolawn and I have used them for topsoil. I would only use sand on Bermuda. You can see more about using sand vs soil here: th-cam.com/video/MLbQKfldvdw/w-d-xo.html
Silver Cymbal th-cam.com/video/kDjvyihviRo/w-d-xo.html (yes)
Hey Silver,
First, Thank You for your videos, I’ve leaned so much from watching them.
I just finished core aerating, I over seeded, used a starter fertilizer, and added lime. I am waiting about 3 weeks before I first cut.
I want to add a winterizer in late October, but the Lesco 18-0-12 that you are using is unavailable in my area. Could I use a Lesco 24-0-11 instead?
Use some milorganite
Thanks for this video! What knife is on 3:10? :)
Good video. A link to the spreader would be nice.
This is their pro spreader and I bought it used for peanuts. You can check it out here but for most homeowners including me, new is out of the question. I am hoping to have a budget minded semi pro one coming soon. But you can see it here: amzn.to/2O4sjhk
@@SilverCymbal ok I just saw the price. Wow! What's crazy is I just added it to my cart. :)
@@superameric8 If you do buy one it is the best spreader ever made. They use these all over the world, golf courses and pros like. From what I saw there has never been a more accurate spreader since they have a patented cone design.
is it 5feet between passes?
On average yes but try to find the manual on your spreader and sometimes products have different throws, because the particles weigh more or less. But don't over worry about it and yes most of the time I am around 5ft.
you don't have to go over go over it twice. throw back to your tire mark and you will never get streaks. That is a waste of time, just take your time and do it right the first time.
Go Andersons
None of it went in the spreader?
Your spreader is over a $1000 if I'm not mistaken 😢
That walkway doesn’t looks edged, thumbs down lol
Ugggghhh, where is photoshop to save me 😀Never! My videos always show you the real deal
Lol great looking lawn though
Hey Sliver Cymbal, I just got myself PGF Complate few days ago and wanted to ask
you couple of questions. Right now, I am using the Scotts' products. And
its almost fall here in Texas. The one that I will be applying in few
days is called Scotts Turf Builder winterguard fall weed and feed. Do
you think I can also use PGF Complate together? By the way, your videos
are very helpful. Hope to hear back from you doc.