Another awesome advantage of a short throw projector as a TV replacement would be if you have any young kids that might throw any toys at the screen. A TV usually won't survive this lol.
I bought an old Hitachi cpaw250 ultra short throw projector 6 years ago for video DJing at weddings, etc. The short throw is good because DJ areas are usually quite small and at $200 you aren't terribly worried if it gets damaged being constantly moved. I jerry rigged the ability to mount one of those stretchy 100" DJ screens between my speaker/stands and rear projected the image. No longer DJing, I have the projector, DJ screen and 7.1 receiver in my man cave in the basement with no windows. Yea, to the video purist, it is sub standard, but for my purposes, looks great for the price. If I do upgrade, I could not go back to a standard projector, I love the convenience of ultra short throw.
Yeah i have had 2 1080p projectors standard throw for years and I just got an ultra short throw laser Optoma ZW300UST its only 720p and I am obsessed with it the image is so bright and so big love love love.
@@BuildMontage dam like ya style cheers from Australia just the first dozen or so that appear on you tube comments, but hey since you here looking for a projector for backyard movies looking to spend around 5000 so about 3000 grand your market do you have a tip ? Narrowed to ultra close or ultra long 8m plus .cheers mate . Happy to wait if need more 💸 💵 💲
Mate - it's seriously the best invention ever. I hope that more and more companies make screens this way. Because a UST will have a fixed position for the size based on the height of the furniture it's on, adjusting the screen to match it is the best and more elegant solution. I did a video on the construction of that screen on my channel recently too!
One huge pro I think you forgot to mention is eye health. I'm a visual media addict, so long hours make it much easier on your eye's health. That's my main reason for going with a short throw projector over a tv.
I thought I may have mentioned about preference of reflected light vs direct light, but I think that was in a different video come to think of it. Great point though.
If you want the same imagine quality as an oled your going to pay for it, though projectors do allow for sizes larger than the largest tvs readily available.
They're also not as bright or vivid and even a slight amount of Ambient light can make your blacks look even worse than they already do in a dark room. I'm glad I sold my UST and CLR screen and switched to an 85 inch TV. Never been happier.
I have been watching videos of UST projectors for quite some time now but only this video could help me make up (or not) my mind about it. Thank you very much
There’s something about a screen and projector that always beats a regular old TV. A tv is always have a better picture, especially an OLED. However a really large s screen, 100” plus, is incredibly immersive and you don’t realize the faults as much as you loose yourself in the movie
Thats pretty much how I feel about it. A TV can't look cinematic in my view - they look realistic but don't have the same feel. Watch Dune 2021 on TV and then a Projector and you will instantly know what I mean.
Thanks for watching Jase - yes, I think that tech for the screen with the folding arms and the adjustable height is a game changer - and screen makers need to take note!
Thanks! My con was that I'm now selling my two UST projectors (one for gaming and one for movies) due to not being able to achieve a big enough screen unless I started digging into the floor lol - going back to long throw !
I didn't get a halo BUT I had to get my UST projector perfectly aligned meaning zero keystone. Keystone, outsides warping DOES reduce picture quality which is why my OCD like behavior made me get it perfectly aligned. I also think it's a requirement to have a UST ALR screen unless you have a perfectly light controlled environment. That means dark walls and ceilings also. I do wish Fresnel screens were less cheap like lectangular based screens, which is every UST ALR screen pretty much out there that most people have seen. With my 10 year old Stewart Firehawk, which I had zero issues with any previous projector, made the ceiling light a strobe light as I had white ceilings. This is due to the extreme angle of the light source. UST projectors have to intentionally warp the picture due to the angle which does not affect picture quality like manual keystoning. If they didn't manual keystoning would be a requirement. This is another reason UST projectors, particularly DLP ones, have terrible input lag for gaming. Typically between 30ms to over 100ms. LCD projectors might work differently about warping the image as they are LCD but get around 5 to 15ma of lag so that may be a HUGE factor if you're going to be doing any gaming at all and are interested in a UST projector. The way lectangular based screens work, they only project light coming from a specific angle that ALSO only project the image directly back at typical user swatting eye level. This is HUGE for brightness, especially during the day. I have to disagree about zero light from the sides. They do block some light from the sides but not block as much light from the sides. They do a great job at overhead light though Lastly, they bring out any imperfection in a regular screen WAY more than a regular standard throw projector. I saw imperfections in Stewart Firehawk that I never knew existed like tiny sags. UST projector screens use springs to attach the frame to the screen to keep it super tight for that very reason. Lectangular based screens are essentially using nanotechnology to create ridges in the screen that go out and angle down. The out part is pointed to the ceiling and the angle part is pointed towards the floor (you can hang a UST screen the wrong way and you would notice immediately). The flat part reflects light and angled part only projects light back. This angle is the angle that the light from a UST projector comes from. Most can offer up to 90 percent of overhead light so they are perfectly fine for daytime use IMO but you will never get OLED blacks but you unless you got like 30K for a 96" LG OLED, or you want a 98 to 100 inch's only there are some 96" to 100" LED TV's coming out with back lit zones that are affordable but aren't available in the US yet. TCL just launched, or is about to launch a 98" LED TV with around 100 back lit zones for 3,012 dollars US. Problem is it's only being released in China and that's just how the exchange rate works out. The only problem with lectangular based design is it makes the screen typically have a 0.4 to 0.6 gain which does affect overall brightness. Fresnel based screens are based on CRT technology ironically but have a 1.0 gain, are much brighter and look more like an actual traditional TV. Their issues are that they can be prone to hot spotting, viewing angles and they are hard screens so they can't be rolled up which makes installing and shipping much more difficult but they can be sized over 200"s also. That and price as they are typically 15K or more depending on the manufacturer. So if your interested in.UST factor in a screen also, even if you have a traditional projector screen. It's almost a must have IMO.
Another advantage. If you don't have a screen and the projector is off, your wall is nice and open. You don't see a large TV covering the wall, which can be an eye sore.
great vid! i have this set up in our basement, as we are currently renting a townhouse. it works great and love it, have it connected to denon/klipsch 7.2.4 system and it is a wow for anyone that comes through. when we move to our final home, i do plan on getting a regular projector, but this has done extremely well, and the ease of it is the main selling point. i built a small mount for it to sit on, to project to a 150" screen. my center speaker sits closer to the wall than the projector so it works
Nice video 👍... I would suggest a wall mounted 6 inch ledge (box) that could be designed/decorated to match home decor with hinged drop down center not only to hide but also as it hinged open would give adequate distance from wall that's needed without permanently taking up much area away from the wall. (And imagine the drop down center being automated and voice controlled) 💯
So another big mistake is hanging your projector screen as high as the one you have in this video. You don't want to sit and have to look up the entire time that you're watching a video. The equivalence of that mistake are those people who think putting their flat screen above a fireplace is a good idea. Your head should be placed center mass with the screen to avoid eye strain, neck and back pain etc. Myself I have a samsung 9t and I can't find not one flaw yet other than having to empty every pocket to get it. Lastly the center channel does not have to go under your short throw unless you have a massive center speaker. The short throw sits far enough away on a downward angle thus allowing your center to be close to the wall under the screen. ( using the polk es35) and you are absolutely right about there not being any media center for it, luckily I work with wood and custom designed one that sits 1 inch off of the floor with shelves for the receiver and ps5
I've had my VAVA 4k for like 8 months now when it went on sale for around $2K. I love it! Paired with 120" Floor rising Vividstorm designed for UST (with brackets). I was able to put my center channel in front of the VAVA 4k by installing brackets on the frame of the TV stand where the VAVA sits and worked really well. I had to remove the top tempered glass (2 total) on the TV stand so the VAVA 4k sits lower. Getting it to align was not bad at all for me (lucky me I guess). Can't wait to watch your review on the new Native 4k of VAVA coming out soon. SUBSCRIBED!
I just received word the new VAVA is still an e-shift - it has been shipped to me so it is coming very soon - paired with a 120" screen so super pumped to share it. Similar to the other higher end tri-laser UST projectors from Samsung and Sony.
The vast majority of UST projectors, like this vava, are all single-DLP by default. Single-DLP projectors can only have sequential color. Sequential color always produce RGB flashes (more popularly known as the rainbow effect, or RBE). Most people do not see RBE, but for those who do, it can give them things like migraine headaches etc within a minute or two of watching the show. Once RBE is seen, like tinnitus that doesn't go away, it can't be unseen. UST projector reviewers (and for that matter all single-DLP projectors, not just UST) should always note and talk about RBE (or their inability to see it) instead of merrily skipping over it because a person who is affected by RBE (but does not know it yet) could take the "4k" and "laser source" flashy tech jargon as a cue to buy one then regret the decision. DLP is a monopoly, and domestic projector manufacturers take the single-DLP shortcut to cut costs. But RBE is as real as it is unpredictable; cinemas are not going to be caught dead using single-DLP projectors anytime; all cinemas use 3-DLP or 3-LCoS because of this unpredictability. This is why IMHO any single-DLP domestic projector, like this vava, is a wretched piece of technology which is deliberately hobbled by a monopoly's pricing. Sequential color, which any single-imager projector necessarily has to use, only belongs to Baird's 1928 color TV invention and should just be left there.
I was thinking of getting one until I saw your comment. Then I saw the starwars clip and the kids playing the car game I saw a rainbow flowing upwards, I don't know if this is REB, but if it is, are there any projectors that don't display it?
Yes the Vava Chroma. It’s triple laser. It’s the new version of the older Vava 4k. Triple lasers don’t have rainbow effect as they don’t use a colour wheel :) link in description. It’s on sale at the moment actually.
@@majesticfeeds8872 Only 3-chip projectors are guaranteed not to produce RBE. All professional projectors (like those in cinemas) exclusively use 3-chip projectors (3-DLP or 3-LCoS). Manufacturers of projectors intended for home use that make and sell only 3-chip are epson (3-LCD), and sony, jvc, canon (3-LCoS). The rest are all single-DLP crap, which, depending on video source material, viewing conditions, and individual sensitivity, can produce massive amounts of headache-inducing RBE.
@@BuildMontage The absence of color filter wheel does NOT equate to no rainbow effect. There is still ONLY one single DLP in this projector. The three separate lasers still flash SEQUENTIALLY, and any sequential color system is wont to generate RBE. The only way not to have RBE is if there were 3 DLP chips. The goal of vava and the rest of its ilk therefore is to figure how to come out with a 3-DLP, discrete triple R, G, B laser native 4k UHD projector that costs around $5k, give or take.
lol, there is no way anyone is setting up 120" or larger Flat Panel TV on the wall of their home. The TV wouldn't make it through the door in one piece. It would HAVE to be Modular and come apart like the Samsung Wall, but even that is astronomically priced at well over $100,000 or more. A projector screen can roll up and you can easily pick up an Ultra Short Throw projector and set it down somewhere else. I'm starting to believe that Ultra Short Throw projectors in the home will become more common place, but that does not mean TVs are done for. They will still be around, just not as commonly or maybe just for bedrooms/small rooms. Ultra Short Throw will be able to compete for the Living Room Space rather well. Combined with an ALR screen like the one from VividStorm, it will be a force. Great video. Hopefully BenQ manages to let you review one of their V7050i units. Those USTs are pretty amazing!! I would like to see what you think of it @Build Montage
I don’t know. I bought a new place last year. For the basement, I bought a high 77” LG and a Nakamichi 9.2.4 sound system. It’s been great, but lately I’ve been feeling like the screen could be bigger. After researching, I found that short throw laser projectors might be a way to go along with a screen. But I am concerned about light. Even when I close the blinds, it’s still light enough. I suppose that’s minor as I can find solutions. My biggest concern is the Nakamichi sound system. It’s a soundbar with dual subwoofers and satellite and side speakers. It sounds as good as a traditional setup, sometimes better. I’d hate to not be able to use it because of limitations. At the same time, I could buy a fancy floating shelf where I could put the projector on top and the soundbar on the second shelf. My concern is if this turns out to require constant fiddling to get it just right constantly? If I did this, i was going to put the 77” in the master bedroom.
Yes, for me the center channel issue was the most important one to resolve, but image quality for me is amazing especially because the light doesn't have to travel far. Thanks for watching :D
I bought this exact one on you-know-where-azon with my Coronabucks. Its tremendous. I don't know if you guys got Covid money where you live. I've been a projector guy since 2002, off and on. The vava was my first projector in like 5 years. The 4K short throw is so much better for my situation. I love it. Most people (the filthy casuals) don't even know these exist. It really makes you see a 60 inch flat screen and think, "Hmm. Cute,".
I got an Aura. 5 image modes, crystal-clear 4k picture and bright 2400 ANSI lumens. This ultra short throw laser projector provides an immersive cinematic experience.
Thanks for explaining the negative aspects of the ultra short throw projectors. Right now I have an 82 in TV and was thinking of replacing it with something newer ( mine is over 2 years old now ). I’ll probably stay with something like I have because the TV room has skylights that might interfere with daytime viewing. Thanks
collumated / focused light does not lose brightness over distance. Certainly not the small distances in our living rooms. Projecting on a bigger screen is less bright and less contrast than using the same projector on a smaller screen. The distance is not really the cause of the loss of brightness, the screen size increase with distance is.
WELL YA IT IS MIGHT 120" or 130" tv coming in future , but how bring it inside the house ? some people live in APT , just dont work for most people , maybe if u live in 20,000 sq mansion would ya would works ...but little projector box and screen to set up goes anywhere & is NOT a back breaker either to pick it up ..about day light mines works perfect if u not turn all the lights in the whole house , like most people do when they wanna show this ALR screens ..no one watch TVS or projector with all lights on up & bottom in room, no one dose that comes to watching a TV ...even regular TV pic dont looks nice with all lights on in the whole room .. but is close the blinder shade & with some daylight coming throw works & pic really nice ..i dont have any problem & i watching TV in 120" , try find a 120" or even100 inch TV under $4000 ..this is just nagging, everything we do needs some work, thinking & adjustment would everything works
Benefits that the projector also has vs television: if you go for a large tv then installation is much more difficult and if the tv fails it is very difficult to take it off the wall and bring it back to the store to get it fixed. A projector screen also normally doesn't need to hide wires, for a tv you have the power supply cable and HDMI cables to solve.
Great video Tony and you touched on so many good points. I currently have a HU85LA on a 130" screen in a dedicated room and yes "compromise is the name of the game". The point of the center channel is my main compromise because I currently have the projector seating right on top and can angle it up. Luckily it's a massive center channel so it performs quite well. Just kills me that I can't find something that is the right height to accommodate. Keep up the great work love your channel!!
Thank you! And yes, centre channel is the bigges point of contention. If anything I would have gone an in wall speaker but the load bearing timber beam meant I couldn't do it. I love that projector you have - I am looking to get one in for a review. Your setup sounds like a good one. If you join our Discord server, I'd love to see some photos.
@@BuildMontage I'll definitely look into it and if you want to check out my set up check it out on instagram: instagram.com/sergioscinema/ Currently adjusting my surrounds lower will update but yeah you can see it here
I wanted to get your opinion about which projector i should get. I’ve been doing a lot of research I narrowed it down to two projectors in my price range. I am torn picking between The XGIMI Aurora 4K Ultra Short laser projector or The VAVA 4K Ultra Short Throw Laser TV. I would like to get your Professional expertise on Which projector I should lean more towards. Thank you
Well the idea I'm thinking is to apply the paint all around the edges of your picture and naturally any unwanted light will be absorbed and not noticble anymore. However this will heavily interfere with your installed embient lighting and a black rectangle (bezel) will be noticeable. Or.... You can paint the back wall Black 3.0 and will look cool as if the screen is floating in dark space. My mind will go on forever lol But if you can fix this issue with the projector settings that would be best because the paint is very expensive.
Hi.....sir....can i make with monitor audio gold..100 f bookshelfs for left and rigth...and center gold c250....or is better i make silver 500 for left and rigt . For only movies
Andrew Robinson on his channel did a good piece on them also. I think you forgot to talk about lens life since most are laser based. I also think that ENVIRONMENTALLY, short throw and projectors in general offer big screen without the horrible E-waste that big and bigger TVs create. I can also see a good future in apartments when smaller rooms have to serve multi-purposes and something like STP’s offer more design options.
I didn't really forget to include anything, it was more, I chose to discuss what I felt were important. Not all UST projectors are laser - this video was more aimed at the concept of UST vs specific UST models. I personally hope and think UST will be used more not less in the future but only time will tell.
I reckon the future of UST/Laser tvs can beat out traditional flat screen tvs simply by convenience and price. *Smaller, compact and more portable with mobile versions as well. *Smarter projection technology - can compensate for wall coloration, can project even closer to walls, run cooler and quieter *Dual and even Triple screen projectors, better sound technology than flat screen 100+ Tvs.
I think so for sure. They are not going away any time soon. Every new projector seems to be getting better and better and once problems like a center channel speaker for a discreet speaker setup is resolved, we will have a great option vs a TV.
One benifit could be that you sit farther away from the projector hearing it less in silent parts of the movie. On the opposite using a streaming dongle on a cielilg mounted one you dont need hdmi cables to a dvd. (But image qyality isnt as good)
I have the Optoma Cinemax Pro II. Paired with Vividstorm ALR floor rising screen makes for an awesome image. Im currently having custom credenza being built to house the projector and screen in one.
Hi mate, once again, highlighting the practical realities, another fantastic video. Do vava have another newer model coming out? You commented you are awaiting a 120” screen from Vava, do you know when we would be able to purchase it? Thanks in advance🙏
I had to custom build a cabinet to accommodate the center channel speaker and my UST projector. That made life so easy and I was able to have the exact size I needed and paid less than $200 for the total project. If you get a CLR or ALR screen you can watch the UST in the day time with all blinds open and all lights on.
Yes, my DIY solution works too, but I wanted something "pretty" I guess, and the screen I showed is a CLR screen but I have yet to see a CLR screen that can handle light coming from the side directly. I have trialed a few and none of them like direct sideways light.
Good review mate. Just a question and I’m not sure if it’s been answered but why can’t you mount the projector on the ceiling up the front? Then you would have no issues with Centre channel placement.
Few reasons… one, screen would have to be flipped there by not rejecting any ambient light. Second would be the screen would have to be considerably lower due to throw distance.
great vid mate,just picked up a promethean est1,have a 120 inch screen just for parties,anycast for youtube and netflix,thought i would make a base to sit it on with screw out legs to sort the height problem out,not to worried about the projector for 20 bucks,thanks again.
Very well done video Tony. I have been really looking at a UST lately, and this information will definitely help when it comes down to making the decision...cheers buddy!
I'm Considering to get one from Indegogo .. Still Not sure yet .. Using XGIMI H3 at Friend's place at the moment which is good but not sure if the picture quality with a Ultra Short Throw Projector is better or much better than a traditional Projector or not.
I am curious about the impact of installing LED lights behind the projection screen on the visual experience? It's seem more real or a sense of prominence,especially when gaming. Could you share your opinion? Thanks!
Yes not ideal behind a screen when you’re watching. Fun for the ambience and mood but off when you watch. I automate all my lighting in my room to dim when watching in my dedicated home theater.
Thanks for sharing~ I thinks it would be cool if the LED lights and sound interacted somewhat in sametime (ex. breathing lights and sound rhythm!) Of course it's only when gaming, not watching movies!!!
Fix for center speaker issue.. I bought a sanus stand for my svs ultra center and placed it just in front of my samsung lsp9t ust. The ust sits on the media cabinet where the center used to be.
That's great. There are quite a few factors with positioning - size of screen, height of cabinet, size of your center channel etc etc - it's all very random until you have everything in front of you.
@@BuildMontage Elite Screens makes them. They are acoustically transparent and then your receivers will need to be calibrated to accommodate for such an application. Usually in wall speakers. elitescreens.com/products/cinegrey-3-at/ th-cam.com/video/1pEAC64Lrdo/w-d-xo.html
You mention ceiling-mount projectors in contrast to the UST projectors but can you ceiling-mount the UST one? Having it ceiling-mounted would allow for easier adjustment of the screen without keystoning, easier placement of centre speakers and minimise dust settling on the projector lens. In my case, it'd also minimise the chances of kids spilling their juice inside it... :D
So the main issue is that your screen will need to be fairly low down on the wall and you will see the back side of the projector above the screen which could be distracting. AND you would need to have your ALR screen upside down too which will mean it won't reject any light from outside of the projector.
Unfortunately it's just an upside down tv unit from Target my wife bought ages ago! I have no clue where it is or what it's called im sorry. I also replaced it with a newer unit - you can see on my channel list my upstairs theater tour.
If u had to choose between ultra short throw 4K vava or 4K we max or 4K xiomi .??? Which one would u choose ??? Plz help me I’m looking to buy one soon… thanks in advance 👍👍
Can you comment on how much it brightens the room compared to a normal throw projector? I try to minimize light exposure after dark (can affect circadian rhythm), but still want to watch things at night. Normal projectors can really illuminate a room when the picture they are projecting is bright but figure UST might not as much since it's much closer to the wall. Thanks, appreciate the video!
I dare say it's pretty similar in that sense as it will reflect light back from the screen, and it will depend on the brightness and the scene. I find that the UST I have is pretty bright but it doesnt shine the room too badly.
Hey mate! First - beard is still looking great 👊 I love the idea of UST. I still hope that the cost comes down. They are super cheap compared to a similar TV of the same size. But the projector and a screen is still pretty high. Your honest reviews are always great. I know that you have some big plans for the room. Can’t wait to see how it turns out!
I LOOVE ur LED lights around the screen , how u keep the strips glued on? u know is GLUE strips after few months gets loose & drops , is pain in the a** take that huge screen by urself off the wall & fix the strip & hang it back on , do u have some matted about it ?
To your point about choosing an external audio system, and device for streaming, I'm planning to do the same however are there UST projectors on the market that don't include speakers or apps ? I would think this would be ideal and bring the costs down for these projectors.
Could this be placed upside-down and mounted on ceiling or basically diy cabinet where shelf high enough to mount a unit like this upside-down. Great vid
You forgot to mention a major pro and a major con: -PRO: this UST has a laser light engine so it will last at least 20,000 hours, never needs a new bulb, and unlike a traditional projector, it can be turned on and off like a regular TV without damaging the light engine. -CON: this projector has horrific unacceptable input lag, around 120 ms or so. I’ve played Super Mario Odyssey on a VAVA and I could not move or jump with precision. This UST is not made for gaming.
These are both great points. Not all UST are laser though. Input lag is an issue on this VAVA but it wasn’t specifically about this projector. The video is more generally about UST as a concept.
Lots of second-hand short throw projectors now on the market as schools are now upgrading to 4k and offices are closing down as people are working from home so they are being ripped out of the room board room. projectors are the future
Hi Great video. I have a room that I'm placing a 150 inch screen what's your advice on set-up ? it has light unfortunately but I can't get a 150 inch TV yet so have to use a projector. Whats the best set up on the market if cost isn't a problem
How did you finally get rid of the halo? Is the LED around the edge distracting while watching movies in dark? I have epson LS800 with Elitescreen CLR 3 123” and it seems to me the halo is always there even when not using keystone of any other corrections and in dark room. I am thinking of putting a “lip” around the edges of the screen to guard the light from spilling over, what do you think? Btw the reason I used UST projector is cause I can use them with CLR screens allowing to keep the windows open and that actually works for my setup, compared to an overhead projector which really can’t use CLR screen as the light from projector itself is coming from up above, so I felt this is an advantage over conventional overhead projector - or am I wrong to think that?
I think its has to do with the lens. If you clean it, it greatly reduces it. Also I noticed over time the laser drift would add to a streaking which I have seen happen with most UST projectors over time. I had the LEDs around that screen but ive since replaced it with a different screen and dont have that projector any longer as well.
I didn't get a halo BUT I had to get my UST projector perfectly aligned meaning zero keystone. Keystone, outsides warping DOES reduce picture quality which is why my OCD like behavior made me get it perfectly aligned. The black frame around my Grandview 110" screen was JUST enough to absorb the halo light which I thought was only an issue with DLP UST projectors, which almost all out Epson who uses LCD but I guess I was wrong. This was with an Optama P2. I also think it's a requirement to have a UST ALR screen unless you have a perfectly light controlled environment. That means dark walls and ceilings also. I do wish Fresnel based screens were less cheap like lectangular based screens, which is every UST ALR screen pretty much out there that most people have seen unless you go to CES. With my 10 year old Stewart Firehawk, which I had zero issues with any previous projector, made the ceiling light a strobe light as I had white ceilings. This is due to the extreme angle of the light source. UST projectors have to intentionally warp the picture due to the angle which does not affect picture quality like manual keystoning. If they didn't manual keystoning would be a requirement. This is another reason UST projectors, particularly DLP ones, have terrible input lag for gaming. Typically between 30ms to over 100ms. LCD projectors might work differently about warping the image as they are LCD but get around 5 to 15ma of lag so that may be a HUGE factor if you're going to be doing any gaming at all and are interested in a UST projector. The way lectangular based screens work, they only project light coming from a specific angle that ALSO only project the light/image directly back at typical user seating eye level. This is HUGE for brightness, especially during the day. I have to disagree about zero light from the sides. They do block some light from the sides but not block as much light from the sides. They do a great job at overhead light though Lastly, they bring out any imperfection in a regular screen WAY more than a regular standard throw projector. I saw imperfections in Stewart Firehawk that I never knew existed like tiny sags. UST projector screens use springs (or some other mechanism) to attach the frame to the screen to keep it super tight for that very reason, to make them super tight.. Lectangular based screens are essentially using nanotechnology to create ridges in the screen that go out and angle down. The out part is pointed to the ceiling and the angle part is pointed towards the floor (you can hang a UST screen the wrong way and you would notice immediately). The flat part rejects light and angled part only projects light back. This angle is the angle that the light from a UST projector comes from. Most can offer up to 90 percent of overhead light so they are perfectly fine for daytime use IMO but you will never get OLED blacks but you unless you got like 30K for a 96" LG OLED, or you want a wait, there are some 96" to 100" LED TV's coming out with back lit zones that are affordable but aren't available in the US yet. TCL just launched, or is about to launch a 98" LED TV with around 100 back lit zones for 3,012 dollars US. Problem is it's only being released in China and that's just how the exchange rate works out. The only problem with lectangular based design is it makes the screen typically have a 0.4 to 0.6 gain which does affect overall brightness. Fresnel based screens are based on CRT (cathode rade tube) technology ironically but have a 1.0/1.1 gain, are much brighter and look more like an actual traditional TV. Their issues are that they can be prone to hot spotting, potential glare, viewing angles and they are hard screens so they can't be rolled up which makes installing and shipping much more difficult but they can be sized at over 200"s also. That and price as they are typically 15K or more depending on the manufacturer. just flip it over for a short throw or standard throw projector as UST projectors start to warp around 150 to 160" s currently. So if your interested in.UST factor in a screen also, even if you have a traditional projector screen. It's almost a must have IMO. They do also make ALR screens for regular throw projectors that work in the same way only the angle light is reflected back is different but they still have issues with overhead light because most standard throw projectors are on the ceiling and with UST the light is coming from the bottom. Most people have light coming from the ceiling, not the floor so they just work out better with UST. I also think they are quite expensive also
@@BuildMontage Thanks for the response! So which store or online store do you recommend, when shopping for screens? I'm really interested in getting a throw projector, but I don't want to spend hundreds on a screen.
@@BuildMontage thank you? Im working on getting a 4k projector. What can u recomend me for a 4k projector im looking at $1,500 or nomore the $2,500 on a 4k projector
Another awesome advantage of a short throw projector as a TV replacement would be if you have any young kids that might throw any toys at the screen. A TV usually won't survive this lol.
Ha! So true... thankfully my youngest is 9 now so I'm past that stage. But so many benefits - but the negatives or downsides should be considered too.
this is a parenting issue not a TV choice issue.
@@Harsh_But_True burn...mic drop
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@@Harsh_But_True yeah because no child in the world has ever thrown anything at a TV no matter the parenting.
I bought an old Hitachi cpaw250 ultra short throw projector 6 years ago for video DJing at weddings, etc. The short throw is good because DJ areas are usually quite small and at $200 you aren't terribly worried if it gets damaged being constantly moved. I jerry rigged the ability to mount one of those stretchy 100" DJ screens between my speaker/stands and rear projected the image. No longer DJing, I have the projector, DJ screen and 7.1 receiver in my man cave in the basement with no windows. Yea, to the video purist, it is sub standard, but for my purposes, looks great for the price. If I do upgrade, I could not go back to a standard projector, I love the convenience of ultra short throw.
Yeah i have had 2 1080p projectors standard throw for years and I just got an ultra short throw laser Optoma ZW300UST its only 720p and I am obsessed with it the image is so bright and so big love love love.
Just scolled through a few comments I'm late to the game . BUT this guy replying to comments shows he stands by his word.
Which comments specifically?
@@BuildMontage dam like ya style cheers from Australia just the first dozen or so that appear on you tube comments, but hey since you here looking for a projector for backyard movies looking to spend around 5000 so about 3000 grand your market do you have a tip ? Narrowed to ultra close or ultra long 8m plus .cheers mate . Happy to wait if need more 💸 💵 💲
The sliding up and down of the screen is a simple yet brilliant solution.
Mate - it's seriously the best invention ever. I hope that more and more companies make screens this way. Because a UST will have a fixed position for the size based on the height of the furniture it's on, adjusting the screen to match it is the best and more elegant solution. I did a video on the construction of that screen on my channel recently too!
One huge pro I think you forgot to mention is eye health. I'm a visual media addict, so long hours make it much easier on your eye's health. That's my main reason for going with a short throw projector over a tv.
I thought I may have mentioned about preference of reflected light vs direct light, but I think that was in a different video come to think of it. Great point though.
Much cheaper shipping a projector from point of manufacture to the retail outlet than a 100" TV! Projector size is a fraction of the large TV!
And you get soo much from a projector than a tv.
If you want the same imagine quality as an oled your going to pay for it, though projectors do allow for sizes larger than the largest tvs readily available.
They're also not as bright or vivid and even a slight amount of Ambient light can make your blacks look even worse than they already do in a dark room. I'm glad I sold my UST and CLR screen and switched to an 85 inch TV. Never been happier.
I have been watching videos of UST projectors for quite some time now but only this video could help me make up (or not) my mind about it. Thank you very much
Glad it was helpful!
There’s something about a screen and projector that always beats a regular old TV. A tv is always have a better picture, especially an OLED. However a really large s screen, 100” plus, is incredibly immersive and you don’t realize the faults as much as you loose yourself in the movie
Thats pretty much how I feel about it. A TV can't look cinematic in my view - they look realistic but don't have the same feel. Watch Dune 2021 on TV and then a Projector and you will instantly know what I mean.
Great video mate. The image displayed in the darkened room is really good!! Also thought the adjustable wall mounting bracket is a top solution!
Thanks for watching Jase - yes, I think that tech for the screen with the folding arms and the adjustable height is a game changer - and screen makers need to take note!
Thanks! My con was that I'm now selling my two UST projectors (one for gaming and one for movies) due to not being able to achieve a big enough screen unless I started digging into the floor lol - going back to long throw !
I didn't get a halo BUT I had to get my UST projector perfectly aligned meaning zero keystone. Keystone, outsides warping DOES reduce picture quality which is why my OCD like behavior made me get it perfectly aligned.
I also think it's a requirement to have a UST ALR screen unless you have a perfectly light controlled environment. That means dark walls and ceilings also. I do wish Fresnel screens were less cheap like lectangular based screens, which is every UST ALR screen pretty much out there that most people have seen.
With my 10 year old Stewart Firehawk, which I had zero issues with any previous projector, made the ceiling light a strobe light as I had white ceilings. This is due to the extreme angle of the light source. UST projectors have to intentionally warp the picture due to the angle which does not affect picture quality like manual keystoning. If they didn't manual keystoning would be a requirement. This is another reason UST projectors, particularly DLP ones, have terrible input lag for gaming. Typically between 30ms to over 100ms. LCD projectors might work differently about warping the image as they are LCD but get around 5 to 15ma of lag so that may be a HUGE factor if you're going to be doing any gaming at all and are interested in a UST projector.
The way lectangular based screens work, they only project light coming from a specific angle that ALSO only project the image directly back at typical user swatting eye level. This is HUGE for brightness, especially during the day. I have to disagree about zero light from the sides. They do block some light from the sides but not block as much light from the sides. They do a great job at overhead light though
Lastly, they bring out any imperfection in a regular screen WAY more than a regular standard throw projector. I saw imperfections in Stewart Firehawk that I never knew existed like tiny sags.
UST projector screens use springs to attach the frame to the screen to keep it super tight for that very reason. Lectangular based screens are essentially using nanotechnology to create ridges in the screen that go out and angle down. The out part is pointed to the ceiling and the angle part is pointed towards the floor (you can hang a UST screen the wrong way and you would notice immediately). The flat part reflects light and angled part only projects light back. This angle is the angle that the light from a UST projector comes from. Most can offer up to 90 percent of overhead light so they are perfectly fine for daytime use IMO but you will never get OLED blacks but you unless you got like 30K for a 96" LG OLED, or you want a 98 to 100 inch's only there are some 96" to 100" LED TV's coming out with back lit zones that are affordable but aren't available in the US yet. TCL just launched, or is about to launch a 98" LED TV with around 100 back lit zones for 3,012 dollars US. Problem is it's only being released in China and that's just how the exchange rate works out.
The only problem with lectangular based design is it makes the screen typically have a 0.4 to 0.6 gain which does affect overall brightness. Fresnel based screens are based on CRT technology ironically but have a 1.0 gain, are much brighter and look more like an actual traditional TV. Their issues are that they can be prone to hot spotting, viewing angles and they are hard screens so they can't be rolled up which makes installing and shipping much more difficult but they can be sized over 200"s also. That and price as they are typically 15K or more depending on the manufacturer.
So if your interested in.UST factor in a screen also, even if you have a traditional projector screen. It's almost a must have IMO.
A Star Wars man I see💯👌
Another advantage. If you don't have a screen and the projector is off, your wall is nice and open. You don't see a large TV covering the wall, which can be an eye sore.
True you can - I just think a screen really makes the image pop and also can reject ambient light as well in a bright room :) Thanks for watching
great vid! i have this set up in our basement, as we are currently renting a townhouse. it works great and love it, have it connected to denon/klipsch 7.2.4 system and it is a wow for anyone that comes through. when we move to our final home, i do plan on getting a regular projector, but this has done extremely well, and the ease of it is the main selling point. i built a small mount for it to sit on, to project to a 150" screen. my center speaker sits closer to the wall than the projector so it works
Thats great! Yes for a 150" no keystone required as you could pull it far enough forward to miss hitting the speaker. Nice job!
Nice video 👍... I would suggest a wall mounted 6 inch ledge (box) that could be designed/decorated to match home decor with hinged drop down center not only to hide but also as it hinged open would give adequate distance from wall that's needed without permanently taking up much area away from the wall. (And imagine the drop down center being automated and voice controlled) 💯
So another big mistake is hanging your projector screen as high as the one you have in this video. You don't want to sit and have to look up the entire time that you're watching a video. The equivalence of that mistake are those people who think putting their flat screen above a fireplace is a good idea. Your head should be placed center mass with the screen to avoid eye strain, neck and back pain etc. Myself I have a samsung 9t and I can't find not one flaw yet other than having to empty every pocket to get it. Lastly the center channel does not have to go under your short throw unless you have a massive center speaker. The short throw sits far enough away on a downward angle thus allowing your center to be close to the wall under the screen. ( using the polk es35) and you are absolutely right about there not being any media center for it, luckily I work with wood and custom designed one that sits 1 inch off of the floor with shelves for the receiver and ps5
I've had my VAVA 4k for like 8 months now when it went on sale for around $2K. I love it! Paired with 120" Floor rising Vividstorm designed for UST (with brackets). I was able to put my center channel in front of the VAVA 4k by installing brackets on the frame of the TV stand where the VAVA sits and worked really well. I had to remove the top tempered glass (2 total) on the TV stand so the VAVA 4k sits lower. Getting it to align was not bad at all for me (lucky me I guess). Can't wait to watch your review on the new Native 4k of VAVA coming out soon. SUBSCRIBED!
I just received word the new VAVA is still an e-shift - it has been shipped to me so it is coming very soon - paired with a 120" screen so super pumped to share it. Similar to the other higher end tri-laser UST projectors from Samsung and Sony.
@@BuildMontage Oh bummer, so it's not native 4K? Still looking forward to your review. Thanks!
Do u recommend the vava for everyday use? My living room is dark Anyways with blackout curtains
@@blitzbreppin9847 Definitely! You can use it for 8 hrs a day and it will last over a decade. I have a blackout curtains as well in my family room.
@@Bullybeef972 does it stack up to like the optoma p2 or the Epson ls500
Hmmm those Cons made me lean more toward a ceiling mounted projector, thanks
In most cases I think it's better but the UST does help in a more stealthy setup so you don't have a big box hanging off the ceiling!
Gotta mount the led dofferent to get rid of the corners not having any light
Long gone now :)
The vast majority of UST projectors, like this vava, are all single-DLP by default. Single-DLP projectors can only have sequential color. Sequential color always produce RGB flashes (more popularly known as the rainbow effect, or RBE). Most people do not see RBE, but for those who do, it can give them things like migraine headaches etc within a minute or two of watching the show. Once RBE is seen, like tinnitus that doesn't go away, it can't be unseen. UST projector reviewers (and for that matter all single-DLP projectors, not just UST) should always note and talk about RBE (or their inability to see it) instead of merrily skipping over it because a person who is affected by RBE (but does not know it yet) could take the "4k" and "laser source" flashy tech jargon as a cue to buy one then regret the decision. DLP is a monopoly, and domestic projector manufacturers take the single-DLP shortcut to cut costs. But RBE is as real as it is unpredictable; cinemas are not going to be caught dead using single-DLP projectors anytime; all cinemas use 3-DLP or 3-LCoS because of this unpredictability. This is why IMHO any single-DLP domestic projector, like this vava, is a wretched piece of technology which is deliberately hobbled by a monopoly's pricing. Sequential color, which any single-imager projector necessarily has to use, only belongs to Baird's 1928 color TV invention and should just be left there.
I was thinking of getting one until I saw your comment. Then I saw the starwars clip and the kids playing the car game I saw a rainbow flowing upwards, I don't know if this is REB, but if it is, are there any projectors that don't display it?
Yes the Vava Chroma. It’s triple laser. It’s the new version of the older Vava 4k. Triple lasers don’t have rainbow effect as they don’t use a colour wheel :) link in description. It’s on sale at the moment actually.
@@BuildMontage Wow, thankyou so much
@@majesticfeeds8872 Only 3-chip projectors are guaranteed not to produce RBE. All professional projectors (like those in cinemas) exclusively use 3-chip projectors (3-DLP or 3-LCoS). Manufacturers of projectors intended for home use that make and sell only 3-chip are epson (3-LCD), and sony, jvc, canon (3-LCoS). The rest are all single-DLP crap, which, depending on video source material, viewing conditions, and individual sensitivity, can produce massive amounts of headache-inducing RBE.
@@BuildMontage The absence of color filter wheel does NOT equate to no rainbow effect. There is still ONLY one single DLP in this projector. The three separate lasers still flash SEQUENTIALLY, and any sequential color system is wont to generate RBE. The only way not to have RBE is if there were 3 DLP chips. The goal of vava and the rest of its ilk therefore is to figure how to come out with a 3-DLP, discrete triple R, G, B laser native 4k UHD projector that costs around $5k, give or take.
This video was a game changer. Fantastic review with pro/con comparison! Thank you so much!!
Glad it was helpful!
lol, there is no way anyone is setting up 120" or larger Flat Panel TV on the wall of their home. The TV wouldn't make it through the door in one piece. It would HAVE to be Modular and come apart like the Samsung Wall, but even that is astronomically priced at well over $100,000 or more. A projector screen can roll up and you can easily pick up an Ultra Short Throw projector and set it down somewhere else. I'm starting to believe that Ultra Short Throw projectors in the home will become more common place, but that does not mean TVs are done for. They will still be around, just not as commonly or maybe just for bedrooms/small rooms. Ultra Short Throw will be able to compete for the Living Room Space rather well. Combined with an ALR screen like the one from VividStorm, it will be a force.
Great video. Hopefully BenQ manages to let you review one of their V7050i units. Those USTs are pretty amazing!! I would like to see what you think of it @Build Montage
I may have a benq coming ;)
@@BuildMontage well then....
I don’t know. I bought a new place last year. For the basement, I bought a high 77” LG and a Nakamichi 9.2.4 sound system. It’s been great, but lately I’ve been feeling like the screen could be bigger. After researching, I found that short throw laser projectors might be a way to go along with a screen. But I am concerned about light. Even when I close the blinds, it’s still light enough. I suppose that’s minor as I can find solutions. My biggest concern is the Nakamichi sound system. It’s a soundbar with dual subwoofers and satellite and side speakers. It sounds as good as a traditional setup, sometimes better. I’d hate to not be able to use it because of limitations. At the same time, I could buy a fancy floating shelf where I could put the projector on top and the soundbar on the second shelf. My concern is if this turns out to require constant fiddling to get it just right constantly? If I did this, i was going to put the 77” in the master bedroom.
Thanks so much for this video. I knew about the image quality compromises [DLP] but was totally unaware of the positioning limitations.
Yes, for me the center channel issue was the most important one to resolve, but image quality for me is amazing especially because the light doesn't have to travel far. Thanks for watching :D
100% Agree with the immersive feeling. Have had the vava since it came out and am a big fan for the cost.
New one coming soon! I’ll have a full overview on the channel.
@@BuildMontage do you know when the new one is coming I’m considering picking one of these up, also great review.
I bought this exact one on you-know-where-azon with my Coronabucks. Its tremendous. I don't know if you guys got Covid money where you live. I've been a projector guy since 2002, off and on. The vava was my first projector in like 5 years. The 4K short throw is so much better for my situation. I love it. Most people (the filthy casuals) don't even know these exist. It really makes you see a 60 inch flat screen and think, "Hmm. Cute,".
Some of us were not given cash during Covid
I got an Aura. 5 image modes, crystal-clear 4k picture and bright 2400 ANSI lumens. This ultra short throw laser projector provides an immersive cinematic experience.
Nice, I haven't tested the Aura yet.
. Fold up from bottom and move the tv anywhere. So much more portable. Picture is as good as any 1080p
Thanks for explaining the negative aspects of the ultra short throw projectors. Right now I have an 82 in TV and was thinking of replacing it with something newer ( mine is over 2 years old now ). I’ll probably stay with something like I have because the TV room has skylights that might interfere with daytime viewing. Thanks
collumated / focused light does not lose brightness over distance. Certainly not the small distances in our living rooms.
Projecting on a bigger screen is less bright and less contrast than using the same projector on a smaller screen. The distance is not really the cause of the loss of brightness, the screen size increase with distance is.
WELL YA IT IS MIGHT 120" or 130" tv coming in future , but how bring it inside the house ? some people live in APT , just dont work for most people , maybe if u live in 20,000 sq mansion would ya would works ...but little projector box and screen to set up goes anywhere & is NOT a back breaker either to pick it up ..about day light mines works perfect if u not turn all the lights in the whole house , like most people do when they wanna show this ALR screens ..no one watch TVS or projector with all lights on up & bottom in room, no one dose that comes to watching a TV ...even regular TV pic dont looks nice with all lights on in the whole room .. but is close the blinder shade & with some daylight coming throw works & pic really nice ..i dont have any problem & i watching TV in 120" , try find a 120" or even100 inch TV under $4000 ..this is just nagging, everything we do needs some work, thinking & adjustment would everything works
Benefits that the projector also has vs television: if you go for a large tv then installation is much more difficult and if the tv fails it is very difficult to take it off the wall and bring it back to the store to get it fixed. A projector screen also normally doesn't need to hide wires, for a tv you have the power supply cable and HDMI cables to solve.
You also can't put speakers behind a TV
amazing video, thanks
Love the Krix Acoustix and Graphix set up!
Awesome combo!
Love the vids❤️ keep it up!!!🙂
great video mate and the great setup
Been thinking about one of these for some time I’ll probably get one later. Great video Tony.
Thanks Chris! I love mine and the setup is such a great casual space.
Great video Tony and you touched on so many good points. I currently have a HU85LA on a 130" screen in a dedicated room and yes "compromise is the name of the game". The point of the center channel is my main compromise because I currently have the projector seating right on top and can angle it up. Luckily it's a massive center channel so it performs quite well. Just kills me that I can't find something that is the right height to accommodate. Keep up the great work love your channel!!
Thank you! And yes, centre channel is the bigges point of contention. If anything I would have gone an in wall speaker but the load bearing timber beam meant I couldn't do it. I love that projector you have - I am looking to get one in for a review. Your setup sounds like a good one. If you join our Discord server, I'd love to see some photos.
@@BuildMontage I'll definitely look into it and if you want to check out my set up check it out on instagram:
instagram.com/sergioscinema/
Currently adjusting my surrounds lower will update but yeah you can see it here
Done! And following
Very well explained. Thanks
Any projector & screen looks better with light control
I wanted to get your opinion about which projector i should get. I’ve been doing a lot of research I narrowed it down to two projectors in my price range. I am torn picking between The XGIMI Aurora 4K Ultra Short laser projector or The VAVA 4K Ultra Short Throw Laser TV. I would like to get your Professional expertise on Which projector I should lean more towards. Thank you
Idk I'd have to test it out first.
Put Vantablack or Black 3.0 at the edges to absorb the scattered light, I could be wrong but food for thought 😉
Im yet to work out what is causing it... its like an over-scan glow or something. Do you think this would stop the light hitting the wall?
Well the idea I'm thinking is to apply the paint all around the edges of your picture and naturally any unwanted light will be absorbed and not noticble anymore.
However this will heavily interfere with your installed embient lighting and a black rectangle (bezel) will be noticeable.
Or....
You can paint the back wall Black 3.0 and will look cool as if the screen is floating in dark space.
My mind will go on forever lol
But if you can fix this issue with the projector settings that would be best because the paint is very expensive.
Hi.....sir....can i make with monitor audio gold..100 f bookshelfs for left and rigth...and center gold c250....or is better i make silver 500 for left and rigt . For only movies
Sure why not!?
Andrew Robinson on his channel did a good piece on them also. I think you forgot to talk about lens life since most are laser based. I also think that ENVIRONMENTALLY, short throw and projectors in general offer big screen without the horrible E-waste that big and bigger TVs create. I can also see a good future in apartments when smaller rooms have to serve multi-purposes and something like STP’s offer more design options.
I didn't really forget to include anything, it was more, I chose to discuss what I felt were important. Not all UST projectors are laser - this video was more aimed at the concept of UST vs specific UST models. I personally hope and think UST will be used more not less in the future but only time will tell.
I reckon the future of UST/Laser tvs can beat out traditional flat screen tvs simply by convenience and price.
*Smaller, compact and more portable with mobile versions as well.
*Smarter projection technology - can compensate for wall coloration, can project even closer to walls, run cooler and quieter
*Dual and even Triple screen projectors, better sound technology than flat screen 100+ Tvs.
I think so for sure. They are not going away any time soon. Every new projector seems to be getting better and better and once problems like a center channel speaker for a discreet speaker setup is resolved, we will have a great option vs a TV.
One benifit could be that you sit farther away from the projector hearing it less in silent parts of the movie.
On the opposite using a streaming dongle on a cielilg mounted one you dont need hdmi cables to a dvd. (But image qyality isnt as good)
this video was really helpful. thanx
Thanks for watching :D
I have the Optoma Cinemax Pro II. Paired with Vividstorm ALR floor rising screen makes for an awesome image. Im currently having custom credenza being built to house the projector and screen in one.
Very good! I just installed my new UST cabint - arrived a few days ago so happy to have it - makes all the difference!
Hi mate, once again, highlighting the practical realities, another fantastic video. Do vava have another newer model coming out? You commented you are awaiting a 120” screen from Vava, do you know when we would be able to purchase it? Thanks in advance🙏
Thank you for your wise words bearded-man
I had to custom build a cabinet to accommodate the center channel speaker and my UST projector. That made life so easy and I was able to have the exact size I needed and paid less than $200 for the total project. If you get a CLR or ALR screen you can watch the UST in the day time with all blinds open and all lights on.
Yes, my DIY solution works too, but I wanted something "pretty" I guess, and the screen I showed is a CLR screen but I have yet to see a CLR screen that can handle light coming from the side directly. I have trialed a few and none of them like direct sideways light.
Can you use a soundboard?
Great review thank you! That blue light behind looks awesome, how did you do it please?
It's a Govee LED strip which should have the link in the description.
Ideal height of the stand and distance from the wall. Sorry for the likely repeat question
It will vary for each projector. You will need to check the manufacturer specs. It’s literally the only way to know.
Very well exolained
Oh you are Australian and probably in Sydney. I just came across with your video for the 1st time and I'm in Sydney too ☺️
Yep I'm Sydney based. Welcome to the channel.
Good review mate. Just a question and I’m not sure if it’s been answered but why can’t you mount the projector on the ceiling up the front? Then you would have no issues with Centre channel placement.
Few reasons… one, screen would have to be flipped there by not rejecting any ambient light. Second would be the screen would have to be considerably lower due to throw distance.
great vid mate,just picked up a promethean est1,have a 120 inch screen just for parties,anycast for youtube and netflix,thought i would make a base to sit it on with screw out legs to sort the height problem out,not to worried about the projector for 20 bucks,thanks again.
Perfect! Sounds like a good solution.
Most of those cons could be overcome by ceiling mount. We've got two xiaomi's, they are great off the ceiling
Really? Do you have photos? Please join my Discord server and share them as I'd love to see a UST implementation in the ceiling - Im yet to see one.
My only problem is the noice, sometimes it feels too loud, but am using in my sleeping room.
Very well done video Tony. I have been really looking at a UST lately, and this information will definitely help when it comes down to making the decision...cheers buddy!
A UST could definitely work for your setup mate. Maybe a pulldown screen as well?
@@BuildMontage You got it man, would love a pull down screen so I can keep my TV.
Black friday is coming.... maybe I'll buy the wife an UST...LOLOLOL
I'm Considering to get one from Indegogo .. Still Not sure yet .. Using XGIMI H3 at Friend's place at the moment which is good but not sure if the picture quality with a Ultra Short Throw Projector is better or much better than a traditional Projector or not.
I am curious about the impact of installing LED lights behind the projection screen on the visual experience?
It's seem more real or a sense of prominence,especially when gaming.
Could you share your opinion? Thanks!
Yes not ideal behind a screen when you’re watching. Fun for the ambience and mood but off when you watch. I automate all my lighting in my room to dim when watching in my dedicated home theater.
Thanks for sharing~
I thinks it would be cool if the LED lights and sound interacted somewhat in sametime (ex. breathing lights and sound rhythm!)
Of course it's only when gaming, not watching movies!!!
Watch tv T night only ! Should be outside working in daylight
Fix for center speaker issue.. I bought a sanus stand for my svs ultra center and placed it just in front of my samsung lsp9t ust. The ust sits on the media cabinet where the center used to be.
That's great. There are quite a few factors with positioning - size of screen, height of cabinet, size of your center channel etc etc - it's all very random until you have everything in front of you.
Great video
Pros: It's bigger than a TV. Cons: It's a Vulva.
This video isn't about VAVA - I just had that projector in the video for demos.
They make ALR screens that can pass through sound from behind so you can place the center channel at the exact height you want behind the screen.
Can you please share? I’ve never seen one. If it can pass sound then surely light will come through too I would have thought. Curious to see this.
@@BuildMontage Elite Screens makes them. They are acoustically transparent and then your receivers will need to be calibrated to accommodate for such an application. Usually in wall speakers.
elitescreens.com/products/cinegrey-3-at/
th-cam.com/video/1pEAC64Lrdo/w-d-xo.html
Yeah this is completely different to the Vava and vivid storm alr screens which don’t have micro perf. Not sure how effective it would but for a ust.
You mention ceiling-mount projectors in contrast to the UST projectors but can you ceiling-mount the UST one?
Having it ceiling-mounted would allow for easier adjustment of the screen without keystoning, easier placement of centre speakers and minimise dust settling on the projector lens.
In my case, it'd also minimise the chances of kids spilling their juice inside it... :D
So the main issue is that your screen will need to be fairly low down on the wall and you will see the back side of the projector above the screen which could be distracting. AND you would need to have your ALR screen upside down too which will mean it won't reject any light from outside of the projector.
So it seems you still require a screen for the picture to image on to. I thought you can just shine it on to your wall
You can - but a screen makes the picture waaaay better.
Can you put a link to this tv stand in your description @9:05 mark
Unfortunately it's just an upside down tv unit from Target my wife bought ages ago! I have no clue where it is or what it's called im sorry. I also replaced it with a newer unit - you can see on my channel list my upstairs theater tour.
The question I’m struggling to find the answer to is ust or standard in the living room.
UST will be more practical but standard you have more options for very high quality like a JVC NX7.
If u had to choose between ultra short throw 4K vava or 4K we max or 4K xiomi .??? Which one would u choose ??? Plz help me I’m looking to buy one soon… thanks in advance 👍👍
I love the VAVA - I have links in the description if you want to check out the specs more.
BM what is the height of your stand?
Can you comment on how much it brightens the room compared to a normal throw projector? I try to minimize light exposure after dark (can affect circadian rhythm), but still want to watch things at night. Normal projectors can really illuminate a room when the picture they are projecting is bright but figure UST might not as much since it's much closer to the wall. Thanks, appreciate the video!
I dare say it's pretty similar in that sense as it will reflect light back from the screen, and it will depend on the brightness and the scene. I find that the UST I have is pretty bright but it doesnt shine the room too badly.
@@BuildMontage oh yeah, that's what I mean. How much it shines the room. Thanks for sharing!
6:00 onward is literally “the lick” over and over again. Any other musicians notice?
Hey mate!
First - beard is still looking great 👊
I love the idea of UST. I still hope that the cost comes down. They are super cheap compared to a similar TV of the same size. But the projector and a screen is still pretty high.
Your honest reviews are always great. I know that you have some big plans for the room. Can’t wait to see how it turns out!
Thanks brother! Appreciate you supporting me as always!
I LOOVE ur LED lights around the screen , how u keep the strips glued on? u know is GLUE strips after few months gets loose & drops , is pain in the a** take that huge screen by urself off the wall & fix the strip & hang it back on , do u have some matted about it ?
The Govee lights stick very well
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Okay thanks
To your point about choosing an external audio system, and device for streaming, I'm planning to do the same however are there UST projectors on the market that don't include speakers or apps ? I would think this would be ideal and bring the costs down for these projectors.
Not really, they all have them because they want to market to the TV buyer.
Could this be placed upside-down and mounted on ceiling or basically diy cabinet where shelf high enough to mount a unit like this upside-down. Great vid
Yes it can be mounted upside down
Why did you back-lit your screen?
For fun!
I’m my mind laser long throw projectors are the future. I hope I’m right.
They are here already - I think we have to look at the various use cases.
You forgot to mention a major pro and a major con:
-PRO: this UST has a laser light engine so it will last at least 20,000 hours, never needs a new bulb, and unlike a traditional projector, it can be turned on and off like a regular TV without damaging the light engine.
-CON: this projector has horrific unacceptable input lag, around 120 ms or so. I’ve played Super Mario Odyssey on a VAVA and I could not move or jump with precision. This UST is not made for gaming.
These are both great points. Not all UST are laser though. Input lag is an issue on this VAVA but it wasn’t specifically about this projector. The video is more generally about UST as a concept.
What brand/ model speakers are you using ?
Krix is the brand.
Hi mate, awesome videos, what size of back lights you use for the 120inch ALR screen?
Thanks for watching - I use Govee RGB lights - links are in the description to the exact ones I used.
The screen for an ultea short throw projector must be MICRO flat. One little warp and you can see it a mile away!
Agree with this. Extra springs in the corners really helps a lot
Loving your channel; any ideas how to get the VAVA screen into Australia at the moment? VAVA website doesn't have Australia as a shipping option.
I’ll find out for you and let you know.
Is there a short throw(laser tv) that can be installed on ceiling? Do you recommend them?
I wouldn't install on the ceiling. Most screens reject light from the top so unless its in a dedicated light controlled room I wouldn't recommend it.
Lots of second-hand short throw projectors now on the market as schools are now upgrading to 4k and offices are closing down as people are working from home so they are being ripped out of the room board room. projectors are the future
Data UST vs Home Theater UST are a little bit different but if you can get one cheap to test why not!
Hi
Great video. I have a room that I'm placing a 150 inch screen what's your advice on set-up ? it has light unfortunately but I can't get a 150 inch TV yet so have to use a projector. Whats the best set up on the market if cost isn't a problem
I'd go something like the JVC NX7 - perfect quality and brightness for a screen that large.
If you live in a flat, it's easier to get a projector into the lift than a 100" TV.
This is a great point too!
So £3,400 for an ok 4k image & probably 30hz or do projectors do 60hz? 🤔
How did you finally get rid of the halo? Is the LED around the edge distracting while watching movies in dark? I have epson LS800 with Elitescreen CLR 3 123” and it seems to me the halo is always there even when not using keystone of any other corrections and in dark room. I am thinking of putting a “lip” around the edges of the screen to guard the light from spilling over, what do you think? Btw the reason I used UST projector is cause I can use them with CLR screens allowing to keep the windows open and that actually works for my setup, compared to an overhead projector which really can’t use CLR screen as the light from projector itself is coming from up above, so I felt this is an advantage over conventional overhead projector - or am I wrong to think that?
I think its has to do with the lens. If you clean it, it greatly reduces it. Also I noticed over time the laser drift would add to a streaking which I have seen happen with most UST projectors over time. I had the LEDs around that screen but ive since replaced it with a different screen and dont have that projector any longer as well.
I didn't get a halo BUT I had to get my UST projector perfectly aligned meaning zero keystone. Keystone, outsides warping DOES reduce picture quality which is why my OCD like behavior made me get it perfectly aligned. The black frame around my Grandview 110" screen was JUST enough to absorb the halo light which I thought was only an issue with DLP UST projectors, which almost all out Epson who uses LCD but I guess I was wrong. This was with an Optama P2.
I also think it's a requirement to have a UST ALR screen unless you have a perfectly light controlled environment. That means dark walls and ceilings also. I do wish Fresnel based screens were less cheap like lectangular based screens, which is every UST ALR screen pretty much out there that most people have seen unless you go to CES.
With my 10 year old Stewart Firehawk, which I had zero issues with any previous projector, made the ceiling light a strobe light as I had white ceilings. This is due to the extreme angle of the light source. UST projectors have to intentionally warp the picture due to the angle which does not affect picture quality like manual keystoning. If they didn't manual keystoning would be a requirement. This is another reason UST projectors, particularly DLP ones, have terrible input lag for gaming. Typically between 30ms to over 100ms. LCD projectors might work differently about warping the image as they are LCD but get around 5 to 15ma of lag so that may be a HUGE factor if you're going to be doing any gaming at all and are interested in a UST projector.
The way lectangular based screens work, they only project light coming from a specific angle that ALSO only project the light/image directly back at typical user seating eye level. This is HUGE for brightness, especially during the day. I have to disagree about zero light from the sides. They do block some light from the sides but not block as much light from the sides. They do a great job at overhead light though
Lastly, they bring out any imperfection in a regular screen WAY more than a regular standard throw projector. I saw imperfections in Stewart Firehawk that I never knew existed like tiny sags.
UST projector screens use springs (or some other mechanism) to attach the frame to the screen to keep it super tight for that very reason, to make them super tight.. Lectangular based screens are essentially using nanotechnology to create ridges in the screen that go out and angle down. The out part is pointed to the ceiling and the angle part is pointed towards the floor (you can hang a UST screen the wrong way and you would notice immediately). The flat part rejects light and angled part only projects light back.
This angle is the angle that the light from a UST projector comes from. Most can offer up to 90 percent of overhead light so they are perfectly fine for daytime use IMO but you will never get OLED blacks but you unless you got like 30K for a 96" LG OLED, or you want a wait, there are some 96" to 100" LED TV's coming out with back lit zones that are affordable but aren't available in the US yet. TCL just launched, or is about to launch a 98" LED TV with around 100 back lit zones for 3,012 dollars US. Problem is it's only being released in China and that's just how the exchange rate works out.
The only problem with lectangular based design is it makes the screen typically have a 0.4 to 0.6 gain which does affect overall brightness. Fresnel based screens are based on CRT (cathode rade tube) technology ironically but have a 1.0/1.1 gain, are much brighter and look more like an actual traditional TV. Their issues are that they can be prone to hot spotting, potential glare, viewing angles and they are hard screens so they can't be rolled up which makes installing and shipping much more difficult but they can be sized at over 200"s also. That and price as they are typically 15K or more depending on the manufacturer. just flip it over for a short throw or standard throw projector as UST projectors start to warp around 150 to 160" s currently.
So if your interested in.UST factor in a screen also, even if you have a traditional projector screen. It's almost a must have IMO. They do also make ALR screens for regular throw projectors that work in the same way only the angle light is reflected back is different but they still have issues with overhead light because most standard throw projectors are on the ceiling and with UST the light is coming from the bottom. Most people have light coming from the ceiling, not the floor so they just work out better with UST. I also think they are quite expensive also
How do they go with fast moving objects like watching AFL,formula 1 racing and so on is there any distortion
Better at high frame rates, and it depends on the projector - the Samsung LS9PT goes very well as does the BENQ V7050i
Which is better CLR or ALR?
It will depend on the projector. Clr is better suited for a UST projector but you should check the recommendations from the projector manufacturer.
Do you absolutely need a screen for short throw projectors?
No, but it helps improve the image in a massive way
@@BuildMontage Thanks for the response! So which store or online store do you recommend, when shopping for screens? I'm really interested in getting a throw projector, but I don't want to spend hundreds on a screen.
What's the life span of the projector in watching hours?
Around 15000-25000 hours
What led lights are you using behind the screen?
Links in the description: Govee RGB LED Strips
@@BuildMontage thank you? Im working on getting a 4k projector. What can u recomend me for a 4k projector im looking at $1,500 or nomore the $2,500 on a 4k projector
@@omalicuchin09 the Vava is good at that price point. Link in description. I have reviewed others but they are higher budget.
@@BuildMontage thank you so much. And when u buy a screen how do u figure out what sizes you need. It depends on the room or projector.?