Thans for attracting my attention to the appropriate dado stack for my SawStop. Undoubatbly, you have saved me the heartache, lost of time and money, not to mention a significant blood pressure level.
So glad you were taken care of by SawStop and Woodpeckers. That was awesome from BOTH BUSINESSES. Stay safe around there and keep up the great videos. Fred.
Thanks for sharing your adventure, Mr.John! I can certainly see how/ why some people wouldn't want a Sawstop, but for less than a grand and a few days of down time, you're still doing better than a trip to the ER for a couple stitches, let alone something worse! I would think that a company with such well regarded customer service and a product based on safety would email older customers with important manual updates like that, though. Thanks again for spending the time and effort to share with us!
I was surprised I watched till the end. You're a natural teacher you made that repair job look interesting ! but seriously I enjoy the D.I.Y. no nonsense attitude to all your work. Thanks again for sharing
That certainly looked like a tight place to work. And it is refreshing to see someone talk positively about customer service. Generally all you ever hear is bad service reports.
Kudos to Sawstop for the great service. BTW I did almost the same thing on my Sawstop shortly after I got it. Fortunately my activation was with a single blade and the saw suffered no damage. The blade is imbedded in the stop block and the whole thing is mounted on the shop wall as a reminder. Thank you for sharing. Have a great 2025 and stay safe.🙂🙂
Funny how a small problem like a broken screw can effect a big project 😮. Just retired this last spring as a shop teacher. Had basically the same SawStop tablesaw in my shop. Only used it for a few years before retirement, but a good product and good customer service!
Great video and great information about sawstop! Very glad that both sawstop and woodpecker stood behind their products so well for you. Great to hear about good companies as there are so many out there that won't do that. Looking forward to your door video for the forge now.
Great to see you're able to fix your own tools. As a mechanic for the last 40 yrs. I know only too well the frustration of that "One Bolt". They have been responsible for many, many new curse words and the frustration that goes with it. Nothing makes your blood pressure rise faster than fighting with one fastener that is stripped out in an awkward place. Good job! 😀
Appreciate you taking us on this journey with you! Always good to hear that product support came through, and glad to see that you're back up and running. It's unfortunate you had to go through all of that but I will say I was impressed with the tiny amount of damage on your miter gauge. Thanks again for the video, and stay safe!
Your the man John 👍 So glad SawStop & Woodpeckers treated you very good, kudos to them. I’m a bit surprised though that you don’t have a “bucket” of spare nuts &bolts in your shop stash, thought everyone had them rusted and not rusted. 😀. Enjoy your day.
A lot of stuff tends to have that **one** screw/bolt that apparently didn't get the memo about its role as a fastener, i.e. that it's also supposed to be able to un-fasten.
John, I had considered purchasing a Saw Stop , but after watching your video and having the similar issues with 2 saw stop tables saws at my work activating while simplycutting materials. I have decided against purchasing one. On another note, It would be cool to see you forge something out of the damaged arbor on Black Bear Forge. Great video and kudos to both companies taking care of you.
loctite will break down when you apply heat to it. Next time, try a heat gun. If that doesn't work, try touching a hot soldering iron to the head of the bolt for a few seconds. Bolts should come right out (at least for the loctite blue that I see you're using; I believe the red takes a LOT more heat).
John, thank you so much for sharing your experience. I also have a SawStop and use a dado stack on occasion, but not for a while. I was relieved when I verified that I had 2-tooth chippers. The dado stack says that it is ok for use on a SawStop, so I guess I should be ok. Regardless, I appreciate your candid sharing of what you learned throughout this process. And I loved seeing the dismantling and reassembling of the arbor. It’s also good to hear of companies that stand behind their products and support their customers. I did have a question regarding the difficult screw. If you had known in the beginning that Loc-Tite was used during installation, would you have applied a little heat to try to loosen it? Maybe by using a soldering iron to get into that tight space? Thank you.
I still use my old table saw for cutting dados. I was too cheap to buy the dado cartridge with the new saw . Maybe a blessing after all. A treated piece of wood caused a trip and that blade and cartridge is hanging on the wall as a reminder of my lack of attention.
I do, it has been a good system. A stand alone router table might be better,but I don't really have the room. But so far this hasn't conflicted with the use of the saw.
It samples capacitance constantly and quickly. It triggers when the capacitance changes in the way that it understands is flesh touching the blade. A sudden change only. I’m sure it has more nuances than this but this is my basic understanding. I’ve seen a video of a guy running wood through perfectly fine that was dripping wet from being soaked in a bucket for days. Any moisture or stuff is not the change in capacitance that it is checking.
SawStop, from information gathered, is pushing legislation to have their mechanism required on every table saw sold in the US, (for safety reasons, for your own good). I certainly understand the benefit of the feature. It would take a jobsite table saw into the 'double the cost' realm. Being the sole supplier of said feature would be majorly beneficial to SawStop, but of course, the incredible boost to business doesn't come into play with their altruistic goal here of safety for the user. It will get down to not having their feature, (and a couple of backups on hand to be able to continue production), will void your insurance in case of event, but it's for your own good cuz it'll be your own stupid fault for not complying. Note sarcasm. The EU has banned dado stacks because they are dangerous, uuuh yep, so is a table saw, unless you have a SawStop ;-). What's next, jointer stops, router stops, drill press stops, on and on? My chisels and plane irons are kept incredibly sharp, are those on the "you need to be protected from those" list?
Before there was a Sawstop company the inventor of the technology tried to make it available to other saw manufactures. None of them were interested, so he founded Sawstop and is now their competition. I don't like the idea of a mandate, you get to accept your own level of risk in your own shop. But this is the nature of a free market. On the plus side, it sounds like most of the patents are expiring and should be available for other manufactures in the near future.
The table saw is inherently dangerous. I've known several people who do not have half their hand any longer, DYIer's trying to hotdog 🌭 like a professional. Also know a couple pros who are missing tips of fingers. One of those dummies shot an 18g 2" nail through the finger nail. And he is a well respected GC. Safety first.
sometimes things just don"t go as planned . glad you got her back together .
Thanks for the update!
Thans for attracting my attention to the appropriate dado stack for my SawStop. Undoubatbly, you have saved me the heartache, lost of time and money, not to mention a significant blood pressure level.
Glad to hear it was helpful!
So glad you were taken care of by SawStop and Woodpeckers. That was awesome from BOTH BUSINESSES. Stay safe around there and keep up the great videos. Fred.
I enjoy your channel because of your honesty and not selling out just for likes 👍 keep being true to yourself
Thanks
I've never seen inside a sawstop... So that's a real plus here.
Great to see all involved came to the party on a cheap outcome to get you back in business John. Look forward to the next tutorial you bring us. 👍🏻🇦🇺
Thanks for sharing your adventure, Mr.John! I can certainly see how/ why some people wouldn't want a Sawstop, but for less than a grand and a few days of down time, you're still doing better than a trip to the ER for a couple stitches, let alone something worse!
I would think that a company with such well regarded customer service and a product based on safety would email older customers with important manual updates like that, though.
Thanks again for spending the time and effort to share with us!
It seems like a good idea and I too am surprised they don't send out updates.
The most expensive, and valuable tools we own are our hands. Any tool that prevents a potential freak accident is worth it. I wish you well.👍
Very well said.
I love seeing you in the wood shop. A great place to be.
I was surprised I watched till the end. You're a natural teacher you made that repair job look interesting ! but seriously I enjoy the D.I.Y. no nonsense attitude to all your work. Thanks again for sharing
That certainly looked like a tight place to work. And it is refreshing to see someone talk positively about customer service. Generally all you ever hear is bad service reports.
People do like to complain more than they like being thankful it seems. Personally I try to find the positive whenever possible.
Kudos to Sawstop for the great service. BTW I did almost the same thing on my Sawstop shortly after I got it. Fortunately my activation was with a single blade and the saw suffered no damage. The blade is imbedded in the stop block and the whole thing is mounted on the shop wall as a reminder. Thank you for sharing. Have a great 2025 and stay safe.🙂🙂
Funny how a small problem like a broken screw can effect a big project 😮. Just retired this last spring as a shop teacher. Had basically the same SawStop tablesaw in my shop. Only used it for a few years before retirement, but a good product and good customer service!
Glad to see that you were taken care of by the vendors. As you say go out to your shop, make something and stay safe.
Thank you, I will
Great video and great information about sawstop! Very glad that both sawstop and woodpecker stood behind their products so well for you. Great to hear about good companies as there are so many out there that won't do that.
Looking forward to your door video for the forge now.
Great to see you're able to fix your own tools. As a mechanic for the last 40 yrs. I know only too well the frustration of that "One Bolt". They have been responsible for many, many new curse words and the frustration that goes with it. Nothing makes your blood pressure rise faster than fighting with one fastener that is stripped out in an awkward place. Good job! 😀
Appreciate you taking us on this journey with you! Always good to hear that product support came through, and glad to see that you're back up and running. It's unfortunate you had to go through all of that but I will say I was impressed with the tiny amount of damage on your miter gauge. Thanks again for the video, and stay safe!
Thanks for watching!
Your honesty is very appreciated. Thank you.
Glad it worked out. Nice recovery.
Your the man John 👍 So glad SawStop & Woodpeckers treated you very good, kudos to them. I’m a bit surprised though that you don’t have a “bucket” of spare nuts &bolts in your shop stash, thought everyone had them rusted and not rusted. 😀. Enjoy your day.
I had an almost exact replacement in fractional but this was a metric bolt.
Thanks for the video and advice on dado blades for SawStop. Was actually thinking of ordering a dado blade for it. perfect timing.
I'm glad it was helpful!
God Bless you Brother!!!
A lot of stuff tends to have that **one** screw/bolt that apparently didn't get the memo about its role as a fastener, i.e. that it's also supposed to be able to un-fasten.
Grinding two flats to grab a bolt with a stripped out head, been there done that, more than once.
John, I had considered purchasing a Saw Stop , but after watching your video and having the similar issues with 2 saw stop tables saws at my work activating while simplycutting materials. I have decided against purchasing one. On another note, It would be cool to see you forge something out of the damaged arbor on Black Bear Forge. Great video and kudos to both companies taking care of you.
loctite will break down when you apply heat to it. Next time, try a heat gun. If that doesn't work, try touching a hot soldering iron to the head of the bolt for a few seconds. Bolts should come right out (at least for the loctite blue that I see you're using; I believe the red takes a LOT more heat).
LocTite Blue and Red both break down above 400°F, the difference is in the sheer force they take before breaking free.
My former teaching colleague reports that ripping thin sheet goods, such as Formica, has triggered the shop's new SawStop.
I wonder if you hadn't had online presence(youtube) would they have warrantied the bent arbor?
It is highly unlikely that they have any knowledge about my TH-cam activities. Especially since my main channel is blacksmithing and not woodworking.
First step when everything is done, but some Allen wrenches without the ball ends. They are nice but better to have the right thing for the right job
John, thank you so much for sharing your experience. I also have a SawStop and use a dado stack on occasion, but not for a while. I was relieved when I verified that I had 2-tooth chippers. The dado stack says that it is ok for use on a SawStop, so I guess I should be ok. Regardless, I appreciate your candid sharing of what you learned throughout this process. And I loved seeing the dismantling and reassembling of the arbor. It’s also good to hear of companies that stand behind their products and support their customers.
I did have a question regarding the difficult screw. If you had known in the beginning that Loc-Tite was used during installation, would you have applied a little heat to try to loosen it? Maybe by using a soldering iron to get into that tight space? Thank you.
In hind sight that would probably be a good idea, but I don't know if it would have occurred to me at the time.
I still use my old table saw for cutting dados. I was too cheap to buy the dado cartridge with the new saw . Maybe a blessing after all. A treated piece of wood caused a trip and that blade and cartridge is hanging on the wall as a reminder of my lack of attention.
I can sure see where having a second saw on hand would be nice.
Next time put a heat gun on the screw to weaken the locktite. Easy to say after the fact...
I like my Saw Stop mostly because it is a powerful, accurate saw.
Do you like the router attachment?
Frank
I do, it has been a good system. A stand alone router table might be better,but I don't really have the room. But so far this hasn't conflicted with the use of the saw.
Did Sawstop recommend any torque specifications on the reassembly?
No, but it would be hard to find a torque wrench that could be used in the close confines.
How does the saw know the difference between the wood and something it isn't supposed to cut? A finger a whole lot softer than wood.
it is electronic sensing, similar to those touch to operate lamps
It samples capacitance constantly and quickly. It triggers when the capacitance changes in the way that it understands is flesh touching the blade. A sudden change only. I’m sure it has more nuances than this but this is my basic understanding.
I’ve seen a video of a guy running wood through perfectly fine that was dripping wet from being soaked in a bucket for days. Any moisture or stuff is not the change in capacitance that it is checking.
SawStop, from information gathered, is pushing legislation to have their mechanism required on every table saw sold in the US, (for safety reasons, for your own good). I certainly understand the benefit of the feature. It would take a jobsite table saw into the 'double the cost' realm. Being the sole supplier of said feature would be majorly beneficial to SawStop, but of course, the incredible boost to business doesn't come into play with their altruistic goal here of safety for the user. It will get down to not having their feature, (and a couple of backups on hand to be able to continue production), will void your insurance in case of event, but it's for your own good cuz it'll be your own stupid fault for not complying. Note sarcasm. The EU has banned dado stacks because they are dangerous, uuuh yep, so is a table saw, unless you have a SawStop ;-). What's next, jointer stops, router stops, drill press stops, on and on? My chisels and plane irons are kept incredibly sharp, are those on the "you need to be protected from those" list?
Before there was a Sawstop company the inventor of the technology tried to make it available to other saw manufactures. None of them were interested, so he founded Sawstop and is now their competition. I don't like the idea of a mandate, you get to accept your own level of risk in your own shop. But this is the nature of a free market. On the plus side, it sounds like most of the patents are expiring and should be available for other manufactures in the near future.
The table saw is inherently dangerous. I've known several people who do not have half their hand any longer, DYIer's trying to hotdog 🌭 like a professional. Also know a couple pros who are missing tips of fingers. One of those dummies shot an 18g 2" nail through the finger nail. And he is a well respected GC. Safety first.
You wouldn't want to use on a half horsepower and if you use the old stack it should be a horse at lteasti hope you can read this I broke my glasses
This saw is 3hp