I think your point is absolutely on point, not intending any pun. What your ultimate goal is and what time frame you're working with makes or breaks the value of these miners. The deep ore deposits are infinite as far as I know, so if you need tons of copper and gold for electronics and you have plenty of time and you, for some reason, what all tier 4 stuff, then these things are worth it because you'll eventually get to the point where you're just playing "pack mule simulator" hauling copper and gold everywhere. If you're just wanting to get a hunting rifle or something akin to that, I would just suck it up and go scouring caves for the copper and gold for the tier 4 stuff needed. Getting resources to then get resources in slower manner is really a net loss in the frame of the game. However, the devs need to come to a decision about all of this. We're having to gather scant resources for things we really don't need in a time frame that's quite generous. If the time for each mission is cut, we need more reasonable tech recipes and crafting time. It's fine and dandy in a 1 week mission to have a slow grinding 80 ore per hour electric drill, but having that same slow drill at 80 ore per hour in a 3 hour mission, that's not tech worth grinding for since you're bound to get that on average in the middle of the second hour. Something has got to give in the balance of time, difficulty, and enjoyment of the game if tier 4 is to become a relevant and worthwhile thing to get to.
The only way I will use them is with water wheels so the energy source is also completely passive (aside from cleaning out the trap). The time to farm / create biofuel to supply either the biofuel drill or generator is also not something to be ignored here, neither is the cost of making the biofuel cans for each drill if you go that route as generally you will want 2 cans for each biofuel drill so you can take a full can out with you when you go to retrieve the ore and replace the empty can to restart the drill.
I hadn't played the game in a couple months and I decided to have a go and explore some of those higher tiers goodies I'd had unlocked. After putting around for a while, I went ahead and grabbed a gold vein and a copper one. I was exploring Styx for the first time and I'd had chosen a spot were caves weren't super closeby and in that many number. And I honestly didn't have that many copper nodes in the ones that were. After I did, I basically didn't mine any other copper and gold node from the rest of the two days of my mission timer. And managed from those deep veins to get enough gold and copper for a couple more higher tiers parts, maybe a hundred fifty electronics all in all. It's... Definitively not as fast as doing it by hand. And maybe that could still be tweaked a bit, I wouldn't be against that of course. But I still found myself with plenty to do, doing the mission, hunting animals for epoxy and mining iron, coal, oxite and silica. I think, giving it a good long thought. It's definitively not really worth shooting for, for faster paced, shorter missions. But it can be a nice boon for longer missions. And something that can definitively be good for outposts and the now added open world. It's a very situational tech honestly.
well im going for exotics on expedition and i cant find anymore gold nodes i sware its spawning less knowing the quoter you need for composites coz that locks the radar i found it would of been way easier to straight away get a biofuel extractor on a gold deposit just to cash in on the last 60 Eletronic grind
Well, the drills don't suffer from pneumonia. So I let them do their thing whilst I go out doing other stuff. Return ever so often to replace the fuel can and take the ores. Also, I haven't yet had an instance where the vein ran out So yeah, it's slower than when I mine myself. However, it's basically an infinite resource, and I don't have to spend time on mining. In my opinion it's a nice addition, which I'm definitely using
I totally agree with you, it’s just not worth it for the time. The only thing I see it useful for is the outposts like you said. Or maybe the 30 day non payday missions.
I think since this video was made they probably produce more quickly. In open world I use the tier 4 electrics for the essentials (iron, silica, copper, gold, sulfur). Just recently added aluminum, which I expect to only go collect once in a blue moon. Sulfur means unlimited epoxy (for one commenter who asked below). Especially if you are making a lot of concrete, the silica and iron is very useful as a passive resource stream. I just go collect what has accumulated after a few "days". I actually wish there was one you could set up to give you rock (or that rocks were byproducts of mining the other ores) because it is so effortless once you set them up. Super useful after exhausting all the nearby caves and natural surface deposits. Of course now you can Thump, so that is a faster option, albeit not without challenge. Appreciate the video and the candor Shabby!
@@billdylan1600 Actually, after some thought, I think I was wrong. Instead of being great, I think it would be a problem. I mean, if I set up a drill to get gold or copper or iron, I expect to come back and pick that up - if 20% of the inventory of the drill were rock instead, it would kind of suck. That said, if we could just place a drill somewhere that isnot a deep mining node to get rock, I would like having a specific passive stream for rock. Call it a "quarry". Cheers!
I finally got to try the Electric Drill after grinding to Tier 4, I think it may be ok if you are on a long mission and have allot of other stuff to do while going up to Tier 4 if it's even worth going to T4 that is for what you are actually doing and you might find that there is a lack of resource becoming more and more further away or depleted and you could possibly passively use the drill while away doing other stuff like getting resources for something else that would take a long time while getting some Ore passively for something else at the same time might be a good thing. I did spend allot of time though crafting the T4 Machinery no doubt, but most missions you could probably get away with not going to Tier 4, and there are items you can get from the Workshop that might be just as good depending on the purpose I guess that get repaired after you takeoff and leave the Prospect to use again later in a new Prospect.
I personally feel like the dev’s should invest the time into fixing the broken features before rolling out more. Ok now I got a passive slow af drill, but my armor is still broken not protecting on animal damage…
An infinite resource close to your base. You avoid travelling long distances to mine and free up time you can do other things. Yes is low output but it is an infinite resource you can just do its thing and check once in a while.
Sorry to say, but those "Voxels" aren't in the outpost maps as far as i can tell. Unless they are a random spawn every time you enter and leave the outpost map. But yes...this would be more "Outpost" related.
I play on the Open world Styx Map. and its nice for that passive income when i have stripped most of my copper out. and while im level 30 still, its nice to have that extra copper for making more electronics. No time limit. Just open world survival building.
The first thing I noticed, after wasting time building the drill and trying it, is they have reduced the number of Titanium nodes on the map for some reason. Some Large caves didn't have any. The only deep mining nodes we found on the whole map that we could get to were Copper & Sulfur ... why Sulfur ... so it was a total waste of time and materials
Thing is, you are probably not gonna just build 1 of this then think it's done, when you are in tier 3, you are gonna have a lot of veins to put this machine on. so just compare how 1 of this machine can produce how much resource is not fair.
I have 215 hours solo in this game and the rewards never seems to be worth the amount of time put in. This is a perfect example not to mention most of the workshop gear is not as good as crafted has some sort of debuff on it or is very expensive. TIME=REWARD What is the Reward in this game that's going to keep me playing 🤔 Thanks for what you do Shabby
The only way I would bother crafting one of those is if they had exotics in those deep ore deposits. Thankfully, the exotics extractors are much faster. Ore drills.... Total waste as they are, imo.
Yeah, I don't see any immediate translation of this capability into solutions or strategies applicable to the current mission set. It almost seems like maybe the initial lack of voxels in the lower tier caves that we experienced for the first two months after launch was perhaps balanced against this capability. Then, it would have seemed like a useful or necessary accommodation, but now that we have so many voxels out there on the map this feels unbalanced or out of place. However, there can be no doubt that it does introduce an interesting new dynamic to the game that could have potential playability. This whole game feels like something that could be so great if it would just admit that it will be in early access for a good while before it can be considered fully "launched."
It's worth the effort when you start running out of mines and nodes to mine manually... one ore a minute is better than no ore a minute... it seriously seemed like you haven't played enough. it's worth it. You run out of nodes. Also? There's a sandbox mode. Wtf ya gonna use in sandbox after 4 days of in-game time? Your opinion is really unjustified.
Exactly as you say, what's the point?. With no reason to stay in a prospect long term plus the fact you can out mine it in seconds (Also worth noting the waiting time to fill a biofuel can as well) I'd never use it..... I absolutely love this game - but until they do something fundamental to make prospects more (multiple phased missions maybe....) I literally have no reason to log in currently as i have all the toys..... That makes me saaaaaaad...
You do realize the biofuel cans fill themselves up (provided you have put enough organic stuff and tree sap in the composter) without you standing there looking at it, do you? So filling up a biofuel can hardly cost you any time at all...
@@GenieonWork Of course I do mate - when we do Spirit Walk I set 2 composters filling 5 cans each. I take your point I can (and do) go do other stuff whilst they are filling - but its still a time sink. Even (as I usually do) get them filling before I've made what uses them. The game needs more content, more challenge and more reason to stick around in a prospect. Make the veins in spirit walk random at least... Make multi mission prospects with increasing rewards for each one you get done before the timer runs out... So many simple ideas would have a huge impact.
This would be more useful if we had missions that took a long like. I see plenty with a 30 days timer that could be done in just one setting. If there are missions that end up being time sinks then this would have more value...just not much is the reward for times not there
@@ShabbyDoo You want to talk value? Did you know that as of right now the perk that give you a bigger mining radius will result in less ore then if some one without it mined the same node?
I fell asleep waiting for a gold node return on this one. It's so slow I ran halfway across the map and harvested gold nodes before I finished 1 fuel tank. Pass for me.
Honestly, it's still a waste of time. By the time a drill has gotten 30 ore, I have already mined everything I'll ever need from 4 caves. It's still a waste of time as of December 2023. Just go for the Exotic veins.
For me will be better if they cancel the system of broken walls during rain or storm. Becouse if you have like interior wood, rain and wind will not destroid tham in real life, if it is not some hurican. But i like build house and if i have to all the time just repair all walls and roofs and glass i hate it.
@@ShabbyDoo exactly. Now i am doing 30 days mission i allready have finished it. But i am still in tge game becouse i want to try build nice house and stuff from tear 4. Radar and try to find exotic on the map.
This update is meh, just meh. 3/10 is about right. I'm not gonna use as a solo player but yeah its more content and I look forward to even more in the coming months.
I think it's stupid that a machine gets less ore than you with a pickaxe :| ...... they should make it super expensive to build but mine .. like ... 5 times faster than you by hands
Hopefully the modders will jump in and make them worthwhile. This game is such a time and resources sink, the devs need to focus on fun instead of the tedious grind. Wasting people's time will only lead them to spend it elsewhere.
They are pretty good now. But even if they were the same as in the video, they'd be great for open world. Just wanted to give you advice for the future. Stop being entitled brat :)
I think your point is absolutely on point, not intending any pun. What your ultimate goal is and what time frame you're working with makes or breaks the value of these miners. The deep ore deposits are infinite as far as I know, so if you need tons of copper and gold for electronics and you have plenty of time and you, for some reason, what all tier 4 stuff, then these things are worth it because you'll eventually get to the point where you're just playing "pack mule simulator" hauling copper and gold everywhere. If you're just wanting to get a hunting rifle or something akin to that, I would just suck it up and go scouring caves for the copper and gold for the tier 4 stuff needed. Getting resources to then get resources in slower manner is really a net loss in the frame of the game.
However, the devs need to come to a decision about all of this. We're having to gather scant resources for things we really don't need in a time frame that's quite generous. If the time for each mission is cut, we need more reasonable tech recipes and crafting time. It's fine and dandy in a 1 week mission to have a slow grinding 80 ore per hour electric drill, but having that same slow drill at 80 ore per hour in a 3 hour mission, that's not tech worth grinding for since you're bound to get that on average in the middle of the second hour. Something has got to give in the balance of time, difficulty, and enjoyment of the game if tier 4 is to become a relevant and worthwhile thing to get to.
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The Drill spins the wrong direction XD
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The only way I will use them is with water wheels so the energy source is also completely passive (aside from cleaning out the trap). The time to farm / create biofuel to supply either the biofuel drill or generator is also not something to be ignored here, neither is the cost of making the biofuel cans for each drill if you go that route as generally you will want 2 cans for each biofuel drill so you can take a full can out with you when you go to retrieve the ore and replace the empty can to restart the drill.
I hadn't played the game in a couple months and I decided to have a go and explore some of those higher tiers goodies I'd had unlocked. After putting around for a while, I went ahead and grabbed a gold vein and a copper one. I was exploring Styx for the first time and I'd had chosen a spot were caves weren't super closeby and in that many number. And I honestly didn't have that many copper nodes in the ones that were.
After I did, I basically didn't mine any other copper and gold node from the rest of the two days of my mission timer. And managed from those deep veins to get enough gold and copper for a couple more higher tiers parts, maybe a hundred fifty electronics all in all. It's... Definitively not as fast as doing it by hand. And maybe that could still be tweaked a bit, I wouldn't be against that of course. But I still found myself with plenty to do, doing the mission, hunting animals for epoxy and mining iron, coal, oxite and silica.
I think, giving it a good long thought. It's definitively not really worth shooting for, for faster paced, shorter missions. But it can be a nice boon for longer missions. And something that can definitively be good for outposts and the now added open world.
It's a very situational tech honestly.
well im going for exotics on expedition and i cant find anymore gold nodes i sware its spawning less knowing the quoter you need for composites coz that locks the radar i found it would of been way easier to straight away get a biofuel extractor on a gold deposit just to cash in on the last 60 Eletronic grind
Bad luck! I don't think I've ever had a problem with gold... there is an alternative composite recipe too though 😋
Well, the drills don't suffer from pneumonia.
So I let them do their thing whilst I go out doing other stuff.
Return ever so often to replace the fuel can and take the ores.
Also, I haven't yet had an instance where the vein ran out
So yeah, it's slower than when I mine myself.
However, it's basically an infinite resource, and I don't have to spend time on mining.
In my opinion it's a nice addition, which I'm definitely using
I totally agree with you, it’s just not worth it for the time. The only thing I see it useful for is the outposts like you said. Or maybe the 30 day non payday missions.
I think since this video was made they probably produce more quickly. In open world I use the tier 4 electrics for the essentials (iron, silica, copper, gold, sulfur). Just recently added aluminum, which I expect to only go collect once in a blue moon. Sulfur means unlimited epoxy (for one commenter who asked below). Especially if you are making a lot of concrete, the silica and iron is very useful as a passive resource stream. I just go collect what has accumulated after a few "days". I actually wish there was one you could set up to give you rock (or that rocks were byproducts of mining the other ores) because it is so effortless once you set them up. Super useful after exhausting all the nearby caves and natural surface deposits. Of course now you can Thump, so that is a faster option, albeit not without challenge. Appreciate the video and the candor Shabby!
Lots have changed since this!
Theres a perk to get stone from mining other stuff.
@@billdylan1600 Does that return stone from deep mining drills? That would be great!
@@johnwilkinsoniv1746 now that u mention it, never thought of that. I dont use that perk just noticed it whilst leveling.
@@billdylan1600 Actually, after some thought, I think I was wrong. Instead of being great, I think it would be a problem. I mean, if I set up a drill to get gold or copper or iron, I expect to come back and pick that up - if 20% of the inventory of the drill were rock instead, it would kind of suck. That said, if we could just place a drill somewhere that isnot a deep mining node to get rock, I would like having a specific passive stream for rock. Call it a "quarry". Cheers!
I finally got to try the Electric Drill after grinding to Tier 4, I think it may be ok if you are on a long mission and have allot of other stuff to do while going up to Tier 4 if it's even worth going to T4 that is for what you are actually doing and you might find that there is a lack of resource becoming more and more further away or depleted and you could possibly passively use the drill while away doing other stuff like getting resources for something else that would take a long time while getting some Ore passively for something else at the same time might be a good thing.
I did spend allot of time though crafting the T4 Machinery no doubt, but most missions you could probably get away with not going to Tier 4, and there are items you can get from the Workshop that might be just as good depending on the purpose I guess that get repaired after you takeoff and leave the Prospect to use again later in a new Prospect.
I personally feel like the dev’s should invest the time into fixing the broken features before rolling out more. Ok now I got a passive slow af drill, but my armor is still broken not protecting on animal damage…
Phys dmg reduction has been fixed
why cant i see this in my tech tree i see the deep deposits all over but i dont have either drill in my tech tree to learn
Hmm that's odd I'm not sure
I'm curious to know how long until they reveal an actual time sink rather than these skinned ones
Time sink is there station to station extended survey where you just WAIT a minimum of 5 hours 😆🤣😂
An infinite resource close to your base. You avoid travelling long distances to mine and free up time you can do other things. Yes is low output but it is an infinite resource you can just do its thing and check once in a while.
Sorry to say, but those "Voxels" aren't in the outpost maps as far as i can tell. Unless they are a random spawn every time you enter and leave the outpost map. But yes...this would be more "Outpost" related.
You pay extra for out post content, and you get nothing for it... 🥲
I play on the Open world Styx Map. and its nice for that passive income when i have stripped most of my copper out. and while im level 30 still, its nice to have that extra copper for making more electronics. No time limit. Just open world survival building.
Yeah it's okay for open world or for servers now. Before that existed though...
The first thing I noticed, after wasting time building the drill and trying it, is they have reduced the number of Titanium nodes on the map for some reason. Some Large caves didn't have any.
The only deep mining nodes we found on the whole map that we could get to were Copper & Sulfur ... why Sulfur ... so it was a total waste of time and materials
If you can find it in a desert only mission then no Sulfur would be quite useful and I like guns
When I tested I had 4 tit. Nodes in that tiny cave so I didn't notice but later it certainly feels less .
I could see that
Thing is, you are probably not gonna just build 1 of this then think it's done, when you are in tier 3, you are gonna have a lot of veins to put this machine on. so just compare how 1 of this machine can produce how much resource is not fair.
That's if you're lucky enough to have 3 of what you want near by. Then you tech need at least an hour working to sorts break even...
I have 215 hours solo in this game and the rewards never seems to be worth the amount of time put in. This is a perfect example not to mention most of the workshop gear is not as good as crafted has some sort of debuff on it or is very expensive. TIME=REWARD What is the Reward in this game that's going to keep me playing 🤔
Thanks for what you do Shabby
The reward is... The reward is... uhh... me? Because there's not much else... rofl
@@ShabbyDoo lol
Your reward for playing videogame is supposed to have fun. Imagine how shit the game would be if worshop was best gear in game.
Did you say it would be fun to set up a drill and wait hours?
Top Tier Content of Course! 👀😬
The only way I would bother crafting one of those is if they had exotics in those deep ore deposits. Thankfully, the exotics extractors are much faster.
Ore drills.... Total waste as they are, imo.
Yeah, I don't see any immediate translation of this capability into solutions or strategies applicable to the current mission set. It almost seems like maybe the initial lack of voxels in the lower tier caves that we experienced for the first two months after launch was perhaps balanced against this capability. Then, it would have seemed like a useful or necessary accommodation, but now that we have so many voxels out there on the map this feels unbalanced or out of place. However, there can be no doubt that it does introduce an interesting new dynamic to the game that could have potential playability. This whole game feels like something that could be so great if it would just admit that it will be in early access for a good while before it can be considered fully "launched."
Agreed. Everything they are doing just just incredibly half assed atm.
I could have guessed it would be rubbish, its Icarus!
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It's worth the effort when you start running out of mines and nodes to mine manually... one ore a minute is better than no ore a minute... it seriously seemed like you haven't played enough. it's worth it. You run out of nodes. Also? There's a sandbox mode. Wtf ya gonna use in sandbox after 4 days of in-game time? Your opinion is really unjustified.
I'd love to see you mine out a map in 4 in game days xD
Devs will be like "oh you want a respec for talents? No Problem heres a usless drill" no wonder people are quitting the game
Yeah...
Nodes dont respawn unless u use thumper which can be dangerous. The worms scared the shit out of me thx god i mafe a rifle.
Exactly as you say, what's the point?. With no reason to stay in a prospect long term plus the fact you can out mine it in seconds (Also worth noting the waiting time to fill a biofuel can as well) I'd never use it..... I absolutely love this game - but until they do something fundamental to make prospects more (multiple phased missions maybe....) I literally have no reason to log in currently as i have all the toys..... That makes me saaaaaaad...
You do realize the biofuel cans fill themselves up (provided you have put enough organic stuff and tree sap in the composter) without you standing there looking at it, do you?
So filling up a biofuel can hardly cost you any time at all...
@@GenieonWork Of course I do mate - when we do Spirit Walk I set 2 composters filling 5 cans each. I take your point I can (and do) go do other stuff whilst they are filling - but its still a time sink. Even (as I usually do) get them filling before I've made what uses them. The game needs more content, more challenge and more reason to stick around in a prospect. Make the veins in spirit walk random at least... Make multi mission prospects with increasing rewards for each one you get done before the timer runs out... So many simple ideas would have a huge impact.
Ugh I know. They are hurting themselves with these cheap "attention grabbing" updates that just have no purpose at the moment
This would be more useful if we had missions that took a long like. I see plenty with a 30 days timer that could be done in just one setting. If there are missions that end up being time sinks then this would have more value...just not much is the reward for times not there
Not too much value here
@@ShabbyDoo You want to talk value? Did you know that as of right now the perk that give you a bigger mining radius will result in less ore then if some one without it mined the same node?
I fell asleep waiting for a gold node return on this one. It's so slow I ran halfway across the map and harvested gold nodes before I finished 1 fuel tank. Pass for me.
Agreed
Honestly, it's still a waste of time. By the time a drill has gotten 30 ore, I have already mined everything I'll ever need from 4 caves.
It's still a waste of time as of December 2023. Just go for the Exotic veins.
Yep
Those drills should be producing every second a ore & 2 a second on the electric
Needs a hot fix yesterday
I though at least the deposits are infinite but the node gone after mining what like 150 ore are they kidding me??
For me will be better if they cancel the system of broken walls during rain or storm. Becouse if you have like interior wood, rain and wind will not destroid tham in real life, if it is not some hurican. But i like build house and if i have to all the time just repair all walls and roofs and glass i hate it.
Yeah I certainly dislike that because you can't build for looks or fun during missions because of it
@@ShabbyDoo exactly. Now i am doing 30 days mission i allready have finished it. But i am still in tge game becouse i want to try build nice house and stuff from tear 4. Radar and try to find exotic on the map.
This update is meh, just meh. 3/10 is about right. I'm not gonna use as a solo player but yeah its more content and I look forward to even more in the coming months.
Exactly it's a start
Definitely not worth the time or resource investment. In its current state I would not use it. Great work Shabby!
Agreed! Thanks Troy
I think it's stupid that a machine gets less ore than you with a pickaxe :| ...... they should make it super expensive to build but mine .. like ... 5 times faster than you by hands
That's be nice
Thumper enough said, wait no. Thumpers are fun too.
Looks like it's more useful for outposts
Agreed
I agree. Pretty nice addition in terms of content, but not that useful.
Hopefully the modders will jump in and make them worthwhile. This game is such a time and resources sink, the devs need to focus on fun instead of the tedious grind.
Wasting people's time will only lead them to spend it elsewhere.
It's sad when we just expect sub par content and hope we get great community mods one day..
Agreed. Totally useless thing. Would be good if it extracts 3-6 ores per minute.
I'd rather have them take em out of the game completely then to leave em in as is
They are pretty good now. But even if they were the same as in the video, they'd be great for open world.
Just wanted to give you advice for the future. Stop being entitled brat :)
@@burningshine5524 its an opinion. Get over it
How are people still playing this game? The devs must be thinking we are winning because people are playing
No clue honestly
this shit some ass