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Two films that had gotten me interested in British colonial and African history was Zulu and Khartoum. When I started wargaming in the early 80s I had inerest for this period and I started colecting figures after 85. Around 95 I amassed around 800 Zulus, but didn't work on the Sudan. Sometime in the early 2000s I started working on the Sudan, but it wasn't around 2012 that the Mahdis army had grown too over 2000 15mm miniatures and the British and Egyptian over 500+. Now watching your show has gotten a fire in me to march on Khartoum and save Gordon.
Lindybiege and Mark Felton are great. The interesting thing is that they are both great in their own unique ways. One set of my grandparents were alive for these events so it's not so far away in time.
" Khartoum" was the first real movie I ever saw as a 7 year old in a old cinema in Dodoma Tanzania in 1968 i think lol - i loved that movie , i have it on dvd and I love the line Charlton Heston utters ....." I'll have you shot !!!" - the dignity , the honour , the sacrifice were themes I never forgot - oh for pure altruism !!!! :-)
Great video as always. It was Gordon that got me into history. My Grandmother used to have a picture of him on the wall draped in black cloth (very Victorian) to commemorate his death it was that that spurred me on into learning about him when i was a kid. The pictute had been in the family for years. Sadly that picture disappeared along time ago as I would loved to have owned it today.
Another fascinating subject,well covered and knowledgeable l live in Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺 and near the old treasury building,at the top of town,there is a statue of General Gordon ,erected by the grateful people of the then colony of Victoria ,in his memory.
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My Dad, who passed 4 Jan, would have loved your channel. His Master's thesis was about the Boxer Rebellion. I didn't see any videos on this subject on your channel..would love to hear your take. 🙂
A wonderfully told story about the perils of being Gordon. Woolsey certainly had taken his sweet time preparing for the expedition. Well done, amigo 👏 👍 I enjoyed the content of intrepid British soldiers in service for the empire.
I have never heard of this part of the history of Britain. I love it because you are teaching me so much and giving me a greater appreciation of British military history. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! If you haven't already please do subscribe to my channel do that you don't miss future videos. Got plans to follow up this talk with Kitchener's Nile Campaign on 1898. Also have the Boer War and Cecil Rhodes & the Jameson Raid in the pipeline.
Hi Chris! Excellent video. I wanted to find out more about this because I've just read Wilbur Smith's book Triumph of the Sun, that is based around the Siege of Khartoum. Fantastic read and intense! Gordon was definitely a courageous man who refused to give way, and who should be remembered. Thanks again and I'm looking forward to watching your other videos!
Hi Alice, Thank you for your kind words. Think I need to read that Wilbur Smith book. Please make sure to subscribe to my channel so you don’t miss future videos.
Glad you enjoyed it. Now have to get thinking about my next one....maybe the Jameson Raid in South Africa. Or maybe I should do a bio on Cecil Rhodes...that will set the cat amongst the pigeons! Anyway have a good weekend and keep safe. Chris
@@TheHistoryChap always welcome Chris ,the way you present and tell your stories are amazing with them smiles you Chuck in at times along the way cheers 👑🍺
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I’m glad that you enjoyed my story. Unfortunately can't claim any credit for the film, which is very good. Please make sure to subscribe for future videos.
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"Was Charles Gordon a slightly unhinged British Nutter with a disregard for orders and a bit of a Death Wish?" Gave me a laugh. Thanks for part two of a great story.
Gordon was a complex character but did put his money to good use in funding poor schools and other charitable works in Gravesend Kent - still remembered.
Indeed complex and indeed put his money where his mouth was. It is easy for some folk to dish Victorian characters because they represent value sets that are different to the current age. Thanks for commenting.
I would really love to have a tour of your bookshelf. While listening to your talk I am constantly attempting to see what titles are stacked on your shelves behind you. I have a few of them but want to read more. Thanks for posting.
Brilliant stuff once more. I remember, as a kid being bitterly disappointed at the Charlston Heston movie. How could a soldier stand and let himself die from a paltry spear throw without firing a shot. Gordon was a religious idealist and a soldier. His soldiering never interfered with his religious idealism, but his religious idealism interfered with his soldiering.
Great Job ! It's sometimes too easy to paint a picture of someone when using only the military outcomes as a picture of someone who has failed . Fetterman ( Sioux 1866 ) Custer ( Sioux 1876 ) , Chelmsford ( Isandlwana 1879 ) . Personalities picture greatly in understanding why ? Ego , Pride , underestimating your enemy . Lack of Communication or ignoring them play a part . In the end ? The fallen are idolized and those who made the mistake and did not die like the fallen , are shamed . Ismay ( Titanic 1912 ) . Again , Great Job !
In the 1980s, The Telegraph, in Sydney Australia, had a Historical Feature page on Gordo n. I thought what a man. The tabloids version had him on his roof firing a Gardner Gun until he was overrun and cut to pieces head on pole as per in this.
Another fascinating video, thank you. I remember seeing a memorial to Gordon just inside the front door of St Paul’s Cathedral which made me wonder at the time what else you have to achieve as a British hero to be remembered further in! Apologies to Nelson and Wellington.
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Well told. Try visiting the Imperial Museum and despite its name most of the exhibits are on the usual WW1 and WW2 which has already been very well documented. Need more content like this video covering other parts of British history.
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Very interesting channel for history Thanks alot I'm Sudanese, I wish if you could make presentation video about Battle of Shaykan Nov 3, 1883 - Nov 5, 1883
Many thanks for taking the time to comment. I worked in Khartoum about 10 years ago and fell in love with the place. Thanks for your request, I will add it to my growing list!
Very good narration! what do you think about Leila Aboulela's Gordon account from Sudanese perspective? Around the same time Britain double crossed Ethiopia by allowing the Italians to occupy Massawa for which they had a treaty with Yohannes IV to not do that.
Hi there Chris. In your video on the siege and attack on Khartoum, you say that one of Gordon's military commanders opened the gates to the city. However, in other accounts of the battle such as on Wikipedia, it says that the Mahdists broke down the city gate? Interestingly, in the 1966 movie Khartoum, it shows the gate being blown open with an explosive. Can you shed any light on this? Thanks, Greg from Durban, South Africa.
I'll side with Gordon, a man of courage and principle, in fact, I think I'll hunt down a portrait of Charles Gordon and hang it in my library. Have you done a video that details Kitchener's "revenge" expedition?
The b/w photo halfway through this video (probably "Chinese" Gordon) has a strong resemblance to Charlton Heston - easy to see why he was cast in one of the two lead roles in "Khartoum" - as for Lord Olivier, he's "something else" and I mean it in a good way.
@The History Chap Gordon was originally known as 'Chinese Gordon' and the museum did contain his ceremonial gown, and Kitcheners Webley pistol amongst other things.
I've watched both parts... Great work. I am admire many of the new knowledge I've gained through them. I'm just lost on one thing. How is an image of power coveyed through an image of the time he wouldn't fight? As a powerful image of Christianity against Islam? This is a serious question.
I was in the Corps of Royal Engineers, and there's a statue off General Gordon sitting on a camel in Brompton Barracks. I heard a story about it that when it was displayed, the sculptor had missed the tail of the camel, not 100% sure if the story is accurate.
Great job I like this. But as a Sudanese journalist, please allow me to say a point, I think you completely neglected the Sudanese perspective regarding General Gordon and his death. The Sudanese account of Gordon's killing confirms that Mohammad Ahmed Al-Mahdi ordered his soldiers not to kill Gordon. Because he wanted him alive to send him to London to ransom the Egyptian revolutionary Ahmed Orabi and many Sudanese prisoners in the Khedive prisons in Egypt. But why did the soldiers not obey their leader, the Mahdi? There are several accounts worthy of historical documentary investigation. There is a Sudanese narration that says that Gordon refused to surrender and fought, so the Sudanese soldiers had to kill him. And there is another Sudanese narration confirming that Gordon tried to escape via a steamer across the Nile, and the soldiers tried to hit him beside the river, but he was not lucky, and he died. I'm in London now to shoot a documentary about General Gordon and I'm going to return to Khartoum to film there as well. What Sudanese historians confirm is that this painting of Gordon's death does not express the truth of his death at all, and is just a fantasy for those who painted it. I personally think that the Sudanese and British points of view should be taken into account and not deal with historical facts from one point of view.
Ahmed, thank you for adding your very thoughtful comment. You are correct that history always has more than one side to a story (and in some cases many sides!). I wish you well with your work and look forward to you sharing a link. Chris
Wolsey and Gladstone must share responsibility. Gladstone for opposing necessity -- the British would have to act, and Wolsey for moving too slowly once action was approved.
I don't think that Gordon didn't name the militia the Ever Victorious Army. The original leader was an American named Fred Ward and he named it I believe
Could it be that Gordon was sending messages expecting that there was a good chance they would be intercepted so he would indicate that he was in a better position than he was to give pause to the Mahdi's army. Whereas if the message got through that the rescue party would be aware that they were still holding out.
Gordon may have been very religious and may have disregarded orders .....but a man of principle ......can't help thinking Gladstone deserved what he got.
I have read a huge lot on General Gordon and I don't believe the steps story I think that was thought up by the paper's to make it sound more heroic, I think it was more likely he was killed at the gates shooting his revolver at the oncoming Dervishes what ever it would of been a quick death. Two day's late after all that they arrived on what would of been Gordon's 52nd birthday the 28th January, it is still going on in the Sudan after all these years war is still very much prominent there, thanks again.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I guess we will never know but fighting would seem more in keeping with his character. The martyr scene was very popular in Victorian Britain - e.g. the last man to die at Isandlwana and the last stand of the Shangani Patrol are two good examples.
"'...E rushes at the smoke when we let drive, An', before we know, 'e's 'ackin' at our 'ead; 'E's all 'ot sand an' ginger when alive, An' 'e's generally shammin' when 'e's dead. 'E's a daisy, 'e's a ducky, 'e's a lamb! 'E's a injia-rubber idiot on the spree, 'E's the on'y thing that doesn't give a damn For a Regiment o' British Infantree!...." From Kipling's "Fuzzy-Wuzzy"
I went to The Sudan on holiday in 1978 (don't ask), and my only recollection of a historic building to see was in Omdurman, across the river. Was that perhaps the Mahdi's headquarters? Anyone know?
only if all history teachers were like you there would only be history majors in all the colleges and universities your accounts fully sparkle they fizz sheer exhiliration like a child i see the world through the eyes of mrs geography and then mr history .ten life times is not enough to hear their stories each of todays 195 countries is first introduced by her and then he takes over. as exciting as gordon is the life and times of shamyl the lion of dagestan once i read that book by leslie branch the sabers of paradise i was hooked personally i love england for their unique role in spreading the gospel but the rest the rest is not so flattering
The face off between Gordon and the Mahdi was mythical and also a little ironic, as 'the Mahdi', according to the religious narrative was meant to fight alongside Isa or Jesus in the great battle for the Earth! My only criticism is your use of the term 'religious nutter' when referring to Gordon!!! Only two choices??!! Why not a man of great faith? So sad...the atheistic view permeating the west is a potentially perilous thing. In modern psychological terms he would have, as I am sure you are aware, undoubtedly suffered from PTSD, along with all the other soldiers, after Crimea and all those other bloody conflicts. Appreciate your work, was directed to your channel after doing my own research into the subject, will have to look at Heston's film
@@garethjames1300 yep, haven't seen the film, have a book about the Mahdi at home in Australia which I've had for a few years, didn't know much about Gordon other than he was at Crimea and in China prior to the Sudan
'Religious nutter' refers to how some of Gordon's contemporaries saw him. And has nothing to do with perceived horrors of 21st century modernism. His contemporaries did not question Gordon's faith. They questioned what they saw as his inability to temper his zeal for practical (political) ends.
Hey ya All of these great heroic individuals have a got an egotistical screw loose, and If you believe god is on your side your even more dangerous. There's a good misquote by Steinbeck ""The lazy man does not start wars, he would have a think on the matter and laugh at the absurdity of the idea"" But we wouldn't read about and admire the lazy man, the lazy man doesn't accomplish much, good or bad. Gordon was mentally up and down so much you wonder whether he didn't have bi-polar or PTSD. I wonder if people surrounded by the violence of the past suffered from these maladies or familiarity truely bred contempt? Off to read about Omduraman, Churchill was there no? Thanks for your work fantastic as per usual. MM
Wow, I'm speachless - what a story, what a man. Told by a passionate historian.
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A story yes, a very very tall tale mixed with some real facts but very hyped to pump up British imperial Pride.
Two films that had gotten me interested in British colonial and African history was Zulu and Khartoum. When I started wargaming in the early 80s I had inerest for this period and I started colecting figures after 85. Around 95 I amassed around 800 Zulus, but didn't work on the Sudan. Sometime in the early 2000s I started working on the Sudan, but it wasn't around 2012 that the Mahdis army had grown too over 2000 15mm miniatures and the British and Egyptian over 500+. Now watching your show has gotten a fire in me to march on Khartoum and save Gordon.
Smiling on a Friday morning. What a nice post.
I sincerely hope this channel gets the appreciation it deserves, and think we may be seeing a new mark felton or lindybiegie
To right mate lol
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@@TheHistoryChap Done and the thirst for history never ceases chears
Lindybiege and Mark Felton are great. The interesting thing is that they are both great in their own unique ways. One set of my grandparents were alive for these events so it's not so far away in time.
" Khartoum" was the first real movie I ever saw as a 7 year old in a old cinema in Dodoma Tanzania in 1968 i think lol - i loved that movie , i have it on dvd and I love the line Charlton Heston utters ....." I'll have you shot !!!" - the dignity , the honour , the sacrifice were themes I never forgot - oh for pure altruism !!!! :-)
Thanks for sharing your memories.
@@TheHistoryChap thanx for reading my comment - this memory from my childhood is very prescious to me :-)
Great video as always. It was Gordon that got me into history. My Grandmother used to have a picture of him on the wall draped in black cloth (very Victorian) to commemorate his death it was that that spurred me on into learning about him when i was a kid. The pictute had been in the family for years. Sadly that picture disappeared along time ago as I would loved to have owned it today.
Iain, what a great story. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for that personal story.
Found this channel via his Zulu videos, loved them,I really like the way he paints the whole picture,from politics to fighting
Thanks for those words of support. Much appreciated.
Another fascinating subject,well covered and knowledgeable l live in Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺 and near the old treasury building,at the top of town,there is a statue of General Gordon ,erected by the grateful people of the then colony of Victoria ,in his memory.
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Gordon a Northern Suburb of Sydney as well.
Can't stop watching The History Chap's videos. Hoping he does some on the American Revolution.
They will be coming, watch this space!
My Dad, who passed 4 Jan, would have loved your channel. His Master's thesis was about the Boxer Rebellion. I didn't see any videos on this subject on your channel..would love to hear your take. 🙂
Shame he didn't come across it. I think my dad might have enjoyed too (if he could work out how to manage a computer!)
This has to be one of the most fascinating wars ever
Watch some of my other videos on the fall out from this event.
A wonderfully told story about the perils of being Gordon. Woolsey certainly had taken his sweet time preparing for the expedition. Well done, amigo 👏 👍 I enjoyed the content of intrepid British soldiers in service for the empire.
Gordon was certainly an interesting character
I have never heard of this part of the history of Britain. I love it because you are teaching me so much and giving me a greater appreciation of British military history. Thank you!
My pleasure. Thanks for watching.
Very good presentation , thanks . Really enjoyable . A lot of work too!
Glad you enjoyed it! If you haven't already please do subscribe to my channel do that you don't miss future videos. Got plans to follow up this talk with Kitchener's Nile Campaign on 1898. Also have the Boer War and Cecil Rhodes & the Jameson Raid in the pipeline.
Hi Chris! Excellent video. I wanted to find out more about this because I've just read Wilbur Smith's book Triumph of the Sun, that is based around the Siege of Khartoum. Fantastic read and intense! Gordon was definitely a courageous man who refused to give way, and who should be remembered.
Thanks again and I'm looking forward to watching your other videos!
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Think I need to read that Wilbur Smith book.
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I agree 'Triumph of the Sun' is a great book.
FANTASTIC WORK HISTORY CHAP, THANKYOU
My pleasure. Thank you for watching
Amazing how tough these men were.
Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Excellent Chris!...and a great subject too.
You had me captivated as always...Thank you Sir!
Glad you enjoyed it. Now have to get thinking about my next one....maybe the Jameson Raid in South Africa. Or maybe I should do a bio on Cecil Rhodes...that will set the cat amongst the pigeons!
Anyway have a good weekend and keep safe.
Chris
@@TheHistoryChap Thank you Sir, and none better than Cecil Rhodes. :-)
This was absolutely brilliant, its so hard to find great quality videos such as this that cover this topic and time period. Thank you !
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Do simon de montfort and the battle of evesham.
@@TheHistoryChap for me anything in the Victorian era covering Britain, I feel like not many people on TH-cam cover that time period
Nice to hear a shout out to Canada and my particular neck of the woods in Western Canada
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Very well put together. I have in front of me, a signed portrait of Gordon (in pencil). Remarkable man.
Thanks for watching.
please dont stop your a phenomenal orator my girlfriend and 10 yrs old daughter actually love it too
I’m glad that you are all enjoying it. Thanks for your support.
History is best when told as a good story, and you are an incredible storyteller.
Thanks so much.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching.
Come on good people just noticed ,30,000 have watched this epic and great presentation, and surprisingly most haven't liked this top man's efforts 🇬🇧
Very kind of you. Thanks.
@@TheHistoryChap always welcome Chris ,the way you present and tell your stories are amazing with them smiles you Chuck in at times along the way cheers 👑🍺
Your YT channel deserves to have 100K followers.
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Very well done
Take care 🙂
Thank you
Brilliant, as always. You really have a way to bring history to life by describing the personalities and relationships of those involved at the time.
Mev, that's very kind of you. Thanks.
Charlton Heston portrayed Gordon PERFECTLY in Khartoum. If anyone hasn't seen this movie you need to!
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Unfortunately can't claim any credit for the film, which is very good.
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Heston needed a mustache
@@ImperialistRunningDo he had one!
First class talk, thanks
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Gripping story, nice delivery, too!
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Wonderful content. Have just been listening to your content. I’m glad history is being remembered and passed on.
Pleased that you are enjoying.
Through the years I've learned that the history is so important not just to understand what happened but to understand what is happening...
That seems a very good outlook
Wonderfully told!
Thank you.
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Really enjoyed the story of Gordon 👍🏻
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Fantastic presentation ❤ I need to rewatch the movie now 🙂
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Great film. I would also recommend "Khartoum" by Michael Asher.
Great story telling ! Really enjoyed it !
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Amazing! Your knowledge, passion and a flair for telling a story are unrivalled!
Very kind of you. Thanks.
GREAT and Thought Provoking video
Thanks so much
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"Was Charles Gordon a slightly unhinged British Nutter with a disregard for orders and a bit of a Death Wish?" Gave me a laugh. Thanks for part two of a great story.
I had to post that question 🤣
Great stuff!!! Cheers from Oz!!
Greetings to you in Oz! Glad you enjoyed.
Gordon was a complex character but did put his money to good use in funding poor schools and other charitable works in Gravesend Kent - still remembered.
Indeed complex and indeed put his money where his mouth was.
It is easy for some folk to dish Victorian characters because they represent value sets that are different to the current age. Thanks for commenting.
maravilloso relato
I would really love to have a tour of your bookshelf. While listening to your talk I am constantly attempting to see what titles are stacked on your shelves behind you. I have a few of them but want to read more. Thanks for posting.
Ha ha, I need to re-organise. Drop me a line via my website with your favourite book - www.thehistorychap.com
I always thought Gordan looked exactly like Charlton Heston......Great book collection!!!!!
Many thanks, Keith.
Your Gordon series is fascinating!
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Brilliant stuff once more. I remember, as a kid being bitterly disappointed at the Charlston Heston movie. How could a soldier stand and let himself die from a paltry spear throw without firing a shot. Gordon was a religious idealist and a soldier. His soldiering never interfered with his religious idealism, but his religious idealism interfered with his soldiering.
Thanks for taking the time to comment.
excellent video. immediate subscribe
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Great Job ! It's sometimes too easy to paint a picture of someone when using only the military outcomes as a picture of someone who has failed . Fetterman ( Sioux 1866 ) Custer ( Sioux 1876 ) , Chelmsford ( Isandlwana 1879 ) . Personalities picture greatly in understanding why ? Ego , Pride , underestimating your enemy . Lack of Communication or ignoring them play a part . In the end ? The fallen are idolized and those who made the mistake and did not die like the fallen , are shamed . Ismay ( Titanic 1912 ) . Again , Great Job !
In so many respects, human behaviours and emotions play such a huge role in history.
Well done. Thanks
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Great stuff,i mean to buy a biography of Gordon as a result of this video.
Glad that I inspired you to buy a biography of Gordon. Thanks for watching my video.
Great content. Enjoying the information greatly.
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In the 1980s, The Telegraph, in Sydney Australia, had a Historical Feature page on Gordo n. I thought what a man. The tabloids version had him on his roof firing a Gardner Gun until he was overrun and cut to pieces head on pole as per in this.
Thanks for sharing your recollection. I hope that you enjoyed the video?
Another fascinating video, thank you. I remember seeing a memorial to Gordon just inside the front door of St Paul’s Cathedral which made me wonder at the time what else you have to achieve as a British hero to be remembered further in! Apologies to Nelson and Wellington.
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What a fantastic documentary this is! Can't wait to watch your other videos. Bravo!
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Well told. Try visiting the Imperial Museum and despite its name most of the exhibits are on the usual WW1 and WW2 which has already been very well documented. Need more content like this video covering other parts of British history.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
Very interesting.
Thank you.
Very educative and interesting presentation. Please do you have anything on Sir Garnet Wolsey's Ashanti campaign? I'm watching from Ghana
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Very interesting channel for history
Thanks alot
I'm Sudanese, I wish if you could make presentation video about
Battle of Shaykan
Nov 3, 1883 - Nov 5, 1883
Many thanks for taking the time to comment.
I worked in Khartoum about 10 years ago and fell in love with the place.
Thanks for your request, I will add it to my growing list!
Who was it that betrayed Gordon and why?...Thank you again...
It was one of his commanders, can't recall his name off the top of my head.
Gordon was truly a great man.
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The legend of Charles Gordon was buried in Khartoum and it was the same year the Emam Almahadi passed away - 1885
Indeed. Interesting events in the same year.
Very good narration! what do you think about Leila Aboulela's Gordon account from Sudanese perspective? Around the same time Britain double crossed Ethiopia by allowing the Italians to occupy Massawa for which they had a treaty with Yohannes IV to not do that.
Thank you. Ethiopian history is a very interesting one.
Interesting that Charleston Heston played Moses who diverted waters and also played Gordon who also diverted waters.
Intersting indeed!
Hi there Chris. In your video on the siege and attack on Khartoum, you say that one of Gordon's military commanders opened the gates to the city. However, in other accounts of the battle such as on Wikipedia, it says that the Mahdists broke down the city gate? Interestingly, in the 1966 movie Khartoum, it shows the gate being blown open with an explosive. Can you shed any light on this? Thanks, Greg from Durban, South Africa.
I’ve responded to your question in another video.
I'll side with Gordon, a man of courage and principle, in fact, I think I'll hunt down a portrait of Charles Gordon and hang it in my library.
Have you done a video that details Kitchener's "revenge" expedition?
I have indeed. Check out my video on the battle of Omdurman
@TheHistoryChap a great series, thank you for this presentation.
I look forward to your next video.
The Chinese people that survived the Taiping Rebellion thanks Gordon for his contribution to end that war in China.
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Lad your presentation of General Gordon is worth giving up a pint or two. kudos!
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The b/w photo halfway through this video (probably "Chinese" Gordon) has a strong resemblance to Charlton Heston - easy to see why he was cast in one of the two lead roles in "Khartoum" - as for Lord Olivier, he's "something else" and I mean it in a good way.
Yes Heston & Gordon do look alike.
Charlton Heston said Khartoum was his favourite film 🎥
Jack Higgins behind your right shoulder?
Nice!
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@@TheHistoryChap Anytime!
Try to get to the Gordon School museum. Very interesting.
Thanks Allan. Just looked at their website; very impressive.
@The History Chap Gordon was originally known as 'Chinese Gordon' and the museum did contain his ceremonial gown, and Kitcheners Webley pistol amongst other things.
I've watched both parts... Great work. I am admire many of the new knowledge I've gained through them.
I'm just lost on one thing. How is an image of power coveyed through an image of the time he wouldn't fight? As a powerful image of Christianity against Islam?
This is a serious question.
Thanks for watching my video, glad you enjoyed it
Is this campaign the inspiration for the (Kipling?) poem about the centre not holding and the Gatling gun jamming?
Not sure. Could have been.
sar you are all sir garnet.. regards Australia
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I was in the Corps of Royal Engineers, and there's a statue off General Gordon sitting on a camel in Brompton Barracks. I heard a story about it that when it was displayed, the sculptor had missed the tail of the camel, not 100% sure if the story is accurate.
I'm not sure either but it is a great story.
Lytton Strachey had the best take on Gordon in "Eminent Victorian." Gordon was a nut job.
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Great job I like this. But as a Sudanese journalist, please allow me to say a point, I think you completely neglected the Sudanese perspective regarding General Gordon and his death. The Sudanese account of Gordon's killing confirms that Mohammad Ahmed Al-Mahdi ordered his soldiers not to kill Gordon. Because he wanted him alive to send him to London to ransom the Egyptian revolutionary Ahmed Orabi and many Sudanese prisoners in the Khedive prisons in Egypt. But why did the soldiers not obey their leader, the Mahdi? There are several accounts worthy of historical documentary investigation. There is a Sudanese narration that says that Gordon refused to surrender and fought, so the Sudanese soldiers had to kill him. And there is another Sudanese narration confirming that Gordon tried to escape via a steamer across the Nile, and the soldiers tried to hit him beside the river, but he was not lucky, and he died. I'm in London now to shoot a documentary about General Gordon and I'm going to return to Khartoum to film there as well. What Sudanese historians confirm is that this painting of Gordon's death does not express the truth of his death at all, and is just a fantasy for those who painted it. I personally think that the Sudanese and British points of view should be taken into account and not deal with historical facts from one point of view.
Ahmed, thank you for adding your very thoughtful comment.
You are correct that history always has more than one side to a story (and in some cases many sides!).
I wish you well with your work and look forward to you sharing a link.
Chris
I've seen many documentaries on Charles Gordon, but nothing close to matching this level of details.
John, that's very kind of you.
Have you watched my video on Omdurman?
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28:24 In this portrait, you can see why Hollywood chose CHARLTON HESTON to portray “Gordon of Khartoum.”
Uncanny resemblance.
Wolsey and Gladstone must share responsibility. Gladstone for opposing necessity -- the British would have to act, and Wolsey for moving too slowly once action was approved.
Interesting thoughts. Thanks for sharing.
Loed both parts, so much better than the History Guy. 😊
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I don't think that Gordon didn't name the militia the Ever Victorious Army. The original leader was an American named Fred Ward and he named it I believe
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Could it be that Gordon was sending messages expecting that there was a good chance they would be intercepted so he would indicate that he was in a better position than he was to give pause to the Mahdi's army. Whereas if the message got through that the rescue party would be aware that they were still holding out.
He may have, but it made it very confusing for Wolseley and his Nile Expedition to keep receiiving contradictory messages.
@@TheHistoryChap without a doubt, sometimes you outfox yourself if you fake out your own team.
Why did Khartoum fall, but Rorkes drift and Peking didn’t? Was it the betrayal mentioned? Gordon had a way more defensible position than Rorkes drift!
Good questions. I hope you spark a debate.
wow
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Gordon may have been very religious and may have disregarded orders .....but a man of principle ......can't help thinking Gladstone deserved what he got.
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@@TheHistoryChap excellent presentation very impressive
I have read a huge lot on General Gordon and I don't believe the steps story I think that was thought up by the paper's to make it sound more heroic, I think it was more likely he was killed at the gates shooting his revolver at the oncoming Dervishes what ever it would of been a quick death. Two day's late after all that they arrived on what would of been Gordon's 52nd birthday the 28th January, it is still going on in the Sudan after all these years war is still very much prominent there, thanks again.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I guess we will never know but fighting would seem more in keeping with his character. The martyr scene was very popular in Victorian Britain - e.g. the last man to die at Isandlwana and the last stand of the Shangani Patrol are two good examples.
The battle of Abu Klea was 17th January
Ooops, thanks for the correction.
si mal no recuerdo del ejercito del Madhi se recupero una cota de malla medioval usada por uno de los soldados
A true christian gentleman
A martyr
Maybe a fanatic
But he died a hero
Put to shame all those generals
Who sat in the rear in ww1 and ww2
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"'...E rushes at the smoke when we let drive,
An', before we know, 'e's 'ackin' at our 'ead;
'E's all 'ot sand an' ginger when alive,
An' 'e's generally shammin' when 'e's dead.
'E's a daisy, 'e's a ducky, 'e's a lamb!
'E's a injia-rubber idiot on the spree,
'E's the on'y thing that doesn't give a damn
For a Regiment o' British Infantree!...."
From Kipling's "Fuzzy-Wuzzy"
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I went to The Sudan on holiday in 1978 (don't ask), and my only recollection of a historic building to see was in Omdurman, across the river. Was that perhaps the Mahdi's headquarters? Anyone know?
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Where is G Gordon statues for anti slavery ?
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What I am left wondering .... what happened to all the enslaved brits that were taken in the fall of Khartoum?
The handful who were there were, like Gordon, killed during the fall in f Khartoum.
only if all history teachers were like you there would only be history majors in all the colleges and universities your accounts fully sparkle they fizz sheer exhiliration like a child i see the world through the eyes of mrs geography and then mr history .ten life times is not enough to hear their stories each of todays 195 countries is first introduced by her and then he takes over. as exciting as gordon is the life and times of shamyl the lion of dagestan once i read that book by leslie branch the sabers of paradise i was hooked personally i love england for their unique role in spreading the gospel but the rest the rest is not so flattering
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The face off between Gordon and the Mahdi was mythical and also a little ironic, as 'the Mahdi', according to the religious narrative was meant to fight alongside Isa or Jesus in the great battle for the Earth! My only criticism is your use of the term 'religious nutter' when referring to Gordon!!! Only two choices??!! Why not a man of great faith? So sad...the atheistic view permeating the west is a potentially perilous thing. In modern psychological terms he would have, as I am sure you are aware, undoubtedly suffered from PTSD, along with all the other soldiers, after Crimea and all those other bloody conflicts.
Appreciate your work, was directed to your channel after doing my own research into the subject, will have to look at Heston's film
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@@garethjames1300 yep, haven't seen the film, have a book about the Mahdi at home in Australia which I've had for a few years, didn't know much about Gordon other than he was at Crimea and in China prior to the Sudan
'Religious nutter' refers to how some of Gordon's contemporaries saw him. And has nothing to do with perceived horrors of 21st century modernism. His contemporaries did not question Gordon's faith. They questioned what they saw as his inability to temper his zeal for practical (political) ends.
@@georgew2014 good point mate and nicely put too.
@@georgew2014 Bollocks!
Name these so called contemporaries.
Hey ya
All of these great heroic individuals have a got an egotistical screw loose, and If you believe god is on your side your even more dangerous.
There's a good misquote by Steinbeck
""The lazy man does not start wars, he would have a think on the matter and laugh at the absurdity of the idea""
But we wouldn't read about and admire the lazy man, the lazy man doesn't accomplish much, good or bad.
Gordon was mentally up and down so much you wonder whether he didn't have bi-polar or PTSD.
I wonder if people surrounded by the violence of the past suffered from these maladies or familiarity truely bred contempt?
Off to read about Omduraman, Churchill was there no?
Thanks for your work fantastic as per usual.
MM