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is there any fictional japanese work in mass media that strives for realism in acting/speech? I noticed that in videogame motion capture as well, if it's a japanese game, the actors, instead of attempting to move realistically, move as if they were in a theater stage. it's really off-putting especially since the camera is close to their faces, but their emoting is exaggerated (as all stage acting tends to be since the audience is far away from the stage)
Would you consider the use of some sentence-ending particles as verbal tics? As a reference, like how some old or deity-type characters tend to speak with the "ja" or "no ja", or how upper-class women characters end with "desu wa". Verbal tics are supposed to be involuntary sounds, but what's your opinion on such speak patterns?
In languages, there are different tones and inflections to communicate genuine emotions. I side with Miyazaki's approach, because it gives his stories and characters such a huge connection with the audience. It's not just a one-off show that you'll forget in a few years, it's story-telling at its finest. Thank you for doing this series - as a polyglot who's just starting to learn Japanese, I appreciate your videos very much. ありがとうございます!
I can't imagine a real life Japanese 17 year old boy with the muscles of a middle aged bodybuilder calling his own mother the B-word, and saying "yare yare daze" over and over.
" Ara Ara " Both men and women generally use various ways.rest assured! It is used when you are surprised or when you make fun of the other person (when you look like a couple) Another example is' "Ara?" "Arara?" (interest) "Arara..." “Aryarya” "Araaaaaaa..."(Discouragement) "Ara!" "AraAra!" ”Araaaaaaaaaa!” (Happy surprise) etc..
What separates anime Japanese and real Japanese is that in anime speech patterns are often used as a tool to convey someones personality at a glance. While in actual Japanese the way you speak is more dependant on your surroundings than who you are. They are fundamentally used for different reasons and I think knowing at least basic Japanese will make anime a lot more enjoyable to watch, that was the case for me at least. I think it's really fun to see what kind of speech patterns characters use and what it could mean about their personalities
Well in real life, we usually try to hide our true personality, while in fiction drama the author aims to reveal the characters personality so the reader/viewer can make a connection (be it positive or negative) to the character.
Yeah, using "ore" and "boku" in real life depends on the situation and context, but in anime a person saying "ore" or "boku" is "fixed" (i.e. even in formal situations they still use their pronoun of choice).
I Always noticed this. This became some sort of stereotype/trope/cliche in anime. For ex, before a cold and no-nonsense characters (kuudere) talk, we already having an image to how she/he would sounds like (Kanade, Violet Evergarden, Rei Ayami, etc..) I started wondering does this always in anime? What about other media in general? Does western animation voice-acting does the same? For me, this quirk can fall into "cliche" but also an unique trait. Idk.
Yeah same. Anime speaks in wild ways. But so does western cartoons. I don’t hear anyone who talks like Homer Simpson, or Rick Sanchez, they’re characters. Theatrical embellishments of how real people would react. Anime is no exception. It’s theater, a performance that distances itself from reality in order to entertain. At least that’s how I always viewed it.
@@fridz66 I think it's one of those things where people use these phrases very rarely, but since they're in the cultural consciousness sometimes they come up. Like in English I'm not likely to use the phrase "my goodness!" with a friend because it's very dated, but there's been a few times where I did anyway because either stronger expressions didn't seem appropriate, it seemed funnier in that context, or it somehow fit the flow of conversation better. Like I would never present someone with the response, "Uh. My goodness. Fuck, I'm sorry" as an example of consistent or natural English but I've defintely responded like that before. It's an interesting topic--how do we choose these phrases in the moment?
@@watsonwrote I don't think that people put much thought into responses like that so sometimes will say one phrase and then think it didn't sound quite right so just add on another one that does sound right. I would rarely use 'my goodness' as a response to another person saying something, but more as an expression of frustration at a situation and I can only assume that other languages have phrases like that that started out as a response to someone saying something, but have over time had a shift in what context they get used to become more of an expression at a situation instead.
Carlos Meza Perez or african people screaming “OOOHHHHHH” whenever they get insulted. Like, people talk like that because they’re voice ACTORS. Normal people will talk normally. Some people are idiots (this isn’t directed at you by the way, just saying)
@@artthenecromancer404 yes, I get what you mean we often get our perceptions on the way people talk other languages mostly from shows that comes from them which severly distorted their way of speaking in order to make the dialogue more interesting or easier to undestand between different dialects of the same language.
Being a Russian it's difficult to get it. Our actors in movies are talking mostly like real life people, and if it's not then we can call it bad acting :T
3:00 Rick and Morty is very much an exception, too. They do the episode recordings in what a theater scholar might call 'naturalist' style, which is to say they're definitely trying to capture the feel of real world people having a conversation. They also, as I understand, do only one or two takes, which is incredibly irregular for almost anything but an adult comedy cartoon in the west
@IceCola Was partially mentioned in the video, but people in movies like in the marvel cinematic universe may speak with few mistakes, make snappy back and forth dialogue quips. Compared to normal conversation everyone seems like they always know what to say (as though it were scripted). Just like native Japanese speakers have expectations for how anime should sound, westerners may have expectations of how movies are supposed to sound.
I used to transcribe interviews of people who lived a century ago. They would make so many mistakes! Many people in real life start saying a sentence, then change what they wanted to say midway. Sometimes it gets funny.
@@БутерБрод-ы8ш Changing mid sintence is even stranger if you have many conjugations and declinations because f you change a sentence half way everything is wrong now.
I've actually heard Japanese people say あらあら in real-life conversations a bunch of times. But they don't say it so dramatically like in anime of course.
@@HapricotsB ara ara is something Japanese people will say sometimes in response to something kinda surprising, like usually in response to something unfortunate happening. Like if you say oh I broke my phone today they might respond with "ara ara!"
Do you think the high usage of "literary" Japanese in anime may also come from the fact that they are adapted from manga, a medium with written dialogue and narration?
But IMHO that doesn't fully explain it. Dialogue, even in written form, doesn't have to be "literary" and could be more colloquial, as that's how people tend to speak in everyday life. Going for one or the other is a stylistic choice whether it's made by a creator of a manga or of an anime.
@@seneca983 OP stated "may also come from..." meaning that it isn't the only explanation, but ALSO MAY include manga/literature adaptations as part of the reason, not the entire/only reason.
@@Murasame13 Yes, although I feel the point of the reply is that a person saying manga adaptation is a reason might be assuming that all manga use literary Japanese, even tho that's not the case. Some manga use it, some don't. So emphasis on MAY since there's a chance that it doesn't come from that. Of course, I don't read manga in Japanese (or at all) so I can't really tell how frequent literary Japanese is used in manga or light novels.
The infuriating thing is when non-Japanese learners tell Japanese learners "You can't learn Japanese from anime!" as if they knew what they're talking about. They literally think it's like a different language, rather than being comparable to the English spoken in cartoons. You absolutely do learn enough. And recognising when keigo is used and when not etc. is trivial for a learner.
I mean I would rather speak Japanese in an anime way and sound funny rather than no Japanese at all lol. At least I guess I could understand conversations. But then again if I were able to speak like an anime character then why not go a bit further and learn how to speak normal haha
Right, I don’t think anyone who’s serious about learning the language is getting their speech patterns from cartoons! I personally like to pay attention to the dialogue in anime just to learn common words, in much the same way I started to learn English as a kid. Another comparison I can make is Arabic cartoons, which I’ve also watched a lot of because it’s my parents’ language :-) most Arabic cartoons are in Modern Standard Arabic, which is never used in conversation at all (except in some very specialized contexts, like if you’re a newscaster or a diplomat). So it makes me crack up to think of someone talking like that in real life.
@@lynxaway that is very interesting. "Modern Standard" Arabic sounds, because of its name, like the kind of language people would actually use in real life. So what do Arabic speakers actually speak, then?
Like saying "You can't learn English from TH-cam videos or it's Always Sunny. They're talking grammatically incorrect and use colloqualisms." Dude, that is part of the language used so let me watch my stuff, be entertained and learn something while I'm at it.
@Sileithel we speak in our native dialects! Arabic is diglossic, meaning we use two versions, one for writing and one for speaking. Spoken Arabic is split into a lot of dialects across different countries and regions. Only on TV do people speak using MSA, because animated shows are meant to be accesible to all Arabic speakers, usually. Hope that answers your question.
When I hear people talk about non-native Japanese speakers talking like anime characters, I immediately think of a non-native English speaker trying to sound like Bugs Bunny or Elmer Fudd.
Street interview idea: show some examples of "animespeak" in written form to elders and ask them what they think of these characters. For example, since Megumin always speaks formally, would elders think she's uptight?
My grandmother used to say "ara" a loooooot. It's a real expression that Japanese people use, but it's probably better not to treat it the same way you see it treated in anime. Even "kisama" has its usage, but most people go their lives without saying it themselves. The only people you hear' speaking more anime-like are kids because they mimic anime speech a lot in both play and to mimic their heroes.
The latter happens in Spanish too. In Latin America, many children speak "neutral Spanish" or Mexican Spanish as far away from Mexico as Argentina. This is because Mexico is where most cartoons are dubbed and they either use Mexican Spanish or "neutral" (a fictional dialect of Spanish used in fiction so that a dub made in one country can be sold to all Latin American countries; it's basically a washed-out dialect in which slang, which varies greatly among countries, is omitted in favour of more neutral sounding words, and sometimes there's censorship of cussing).
@@user-Korpan There is no such thing as strictly natural Japanese. Context shapes what is natural for a given situation. This is to say that as opposed to just discounting something as unnatural for being anime, it is far more productive to contextualize why someone is speaking the way they are and to see what that tells you about the expectations of a given situation. Anime does not exist in a vacuum, and as such Japanese culture and conversational etiquette is still heavily present within anime.
@@user-Korpan The language used in most anime is still correct and perfectly understandable japanese, made by native speakers for other native speakers to understand, so it's still fine to use as learning material. I think you should give language learners' intelligence more credit than not expect them to be able to tell that people in the real world don't speak like cartoon characters, because I don't know anybody who reached fluency in japanese by doing nothing but watch anime.
I mean, I can't think of a single time someone legit said to me, "nice weather were having, isn't it" in exactly those words but I've read/heard such a phrase countless times
I feel like that's more of a British vs American thing. Although modern younger brits might say "Nice weather we' havin', innit?" or just "Nice weather, innit?" Full on "Nice weather we're having, isn't it?" would be more something that the Royal Family would say.
Reminds me of a running theme in the early 17th century spanish novel "Don Quijote De La Mancha" by Miguel de Cervantes. In the book, the main protagonist is a middle aged and somewhat ugly dude that has been reading a lot of novels of the time. When the book came out, a lot of novels in Spain revolved around heroic characters going on adventures and taking land, because Spain had been in a 700 year war known as the "Reconquista" (reconquest) taking back lost territories from the Umayyad Caliphate. So a lot of people were somewhat "brainwashed" by these novels that romanticized the idea of going on an adventure and taking land for the crown and whatnot. So the character of the novel "Don Quijote" is essentially one extreme case of someone who is completely mad and actually thinks he is living in one of these books. As a result, he speaks with a very old form of spanish that I assume sounded like the 12th and 13th century spanish that was common in novels writen during the "Reconquista". As a result, in the early 17th century spain that the characters are living in (when the novel came out) his spanish sounds completely comical and even the characters in the novel think he's a weirdo who talks funny. Most of the time they can't even fully understand what he's saying because he talks like a 13th century character from a heroic story. The author of novel, Miguel de Cervantes, liked to poke fun at certain stereotypes and tropes of the time. Unfortunately it's harder appreciate this humor now because a modern speaker of 21st century spanish would have to be able to distinguish the 17th century spanish from the 13th century spanish, and that's not easily done, so the humor doesn't come across well anymore. I thought it was relevant to this video as the author of the novel is more or less making fun of a similar trope. It would be like a modern novel written about a guy obsessed with anime who talks like an anime character, and everyone around him think he is weird because of it. Oh and in case you were wondering, the reconquista war in spain ended the same year Columbus set off on his first trip westwards across the Atlantic, so a lot of people signed up as "conquistadors" when he came back with news because they had grown up reading novels that romanticized going on adventures to unknown lands. These novels had been written more or less to glorify the idea of going to battle against the moors, but when the moors were defeated and there was no more land to take back from them, many people were left thinking "now what do I do?" And so when they heard of new lands that they could go explore, they essentially thought that was their chance to go live their own adventure. Interestingly, despite what english sources might say, most people who signed up were not gold thirsty butchers, and in fact many people bank rolled their own trip and spent fortunes just buying equipment for a long adventure. Some spent the equivalent of what today would be $1 million, so most of these people were doing pretty well already (many had become rich after taking stuff from the moors during the reconquista) and as such, had no need for more and only wanted to live an adventure and explore. If you're confused about the discrepancy, I advise you look into the "Spanish Blacklegend". Most history books in english are descendants of it.
Yuta, can you talk about how Sasha from AoT speaks Japanese? She has an accent and because she's ashamed of that she speaks formal Japanese with everyone. In S2E2 she's teased and looked weird because of that, but it's not that clear why in the subtitles.
I believe Sasha's father refers to her family's people group as a minority people group within the Walls due to their lifestyle with heavy emphasis on hunting, but it is not clear if her speech pattern is related to this or not. This was definitely in the manga, not sure how much of it made it into the anime.
S2E2 (09:16) sasha:”they oughta leave ours.” normal:hayaku deteikeba iinoni sasha's dialect:hayo detekeba iin-ni kansai dialect:hayo detekeba eenoni (hayou detekyaa eenen) Sasha's accent is very unique.I also live in Oita, but it is a little different from the Sasha dialect. Sasha's dialect is very limited in area. It's less common than the Kansai dialect, so it might be hard to hear.
you've probably seen by now but he discusses her at length in his dialect video!
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fun fact: you explained that in japanese "mou ii no?" means "shall we go" informally, well coincidentally, "mo' iimo" means almost the same thing in the roman dialect of italian (it's more aggressive, like "we are leaving right now!")
That's not quite right. It means that in the context provided in the video, but the phrase is literally, "already good?" mou is used to express, "already," for positive tense, and, "anymore," for negative tense. So, "mou ikimashita," is, "already went," and, "mou ikimasen," is, "don't go any more." The adjective, "ii," means, "good." So as you can see, there's a lot of subtext in Japanese conversation. Many things are implied or inferred. That character can say, "mou ii no," to ask if someone is ready to go, but only because it's clear that they know which conditions in that context needed to be met in order for the person they were asking to BE ready to go. He knew she had something she was working on that she had to do first.
I see characters' speaking in Japanese animation as the same as western animation. Over exaggerated & made to be more memorable for that distinctive character. If animated characters spoke entirely like normal people it wouldn't be as entertaining. I remember speaking with an American voice actor & he told how some of characters he played were encouraged to be over the top. Since many of the characters he played were on children's shows. Just goes to show that there are ways animated characters speak & how real people speak. Besides I have seen real people try to speak like anime characters & it is just not natural. Feel incredibly forced & unnatural. The same thing applies to comic books. Especially the golden age comic books like classic Superman or Batman.
@@charliekahn4205 I think I'd say it applies to fiction in general. I'm a non-native English speaker, (though I picked up the language at around ages 2-3 from watching other people speak it, so you probably wouldn't assume that if I didn't have a weird accent on top of a speech impediment) and a pretty common mistake I see my peers make is trying to immitate things they've read in books. While learning from books IS good because it helps you build a large vocabulary, you can’t just come up to someone and go "Pleasant afternoon, esteemed individual, pardon my English, for my lexicon is limited due to English being my second tongue, but I am in your vicinity to enquire about the location of the convenience store." That would make you sound like a Jane Austen character at best and a weirdo at worst.
@@Me-io3wg True. I think it'd be better for non-English speakers to use cartoons as a basis for learning English (like what kids here in the Philippines do) since it's closer to everyday modern American English than formal British English. Watching TH-camrs would also be a good idea, especially for "larger" languages like English, French, Spanish, German, Chinese, Japanese, etc.
What I want to know is why Japanese VA’s only have 8 voices that they ALL do. 1. The stoic male protagonist. 2. The stoic female protagonist. 3. The stereotypical over the top anime girl. 4. The sultry seductress. 5. The over the top flamboyant effeminate man. 6. The grizzled samurai. 7. The heroic youth. Always male. 8. Old person. Seriously. 99.99% of characters in ALL anime have one of these eight voices. And any character with, say, voice #6, WILL sound EXACTLY the same as EVERY other character in ANY show with voice #6, regardless of who actually did the voice. You could have 100 actors play 100 different characters, and if it’s a “#6 voice” character, ALL 100 WILL SOUND LIKE THE SAME PERSON. I really don’t get it.
"People may talk about irrelevant things for 20 minutes before they start talking about what they really want to say. Anime characters are not like that" Monogatari series: *head tilting intensifies*
It's a good catch. But characters in Monogatari, while seemingly talking irrelevant rubbish, make every single word count. To a point where missing a single key word can confuse you watching the episode further down. While in real day-to-day dialogue, 95% of things said are usually completely arbitrary.
For me it's Hanazawa Kana. Her voice has a unique undertone that's quite distinctive in almost every character she acted. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing professionally but I like it.
I found this bloke on video games twice now... And I don't remember much about the video games I've played. I think he voiced the Persona 2 protagonist and one guy in Yakuza Kiwami 2.
Interestingly enough Koyasu’s natural speaking voice sounds different though, he speaks a lot softer. If you look up an interview of his he really sounds different, it surprised me when I first heard it XD.
"Anime characters want to sound like anime characters. . . Because that's what we look for in an anime character." *Ah yes, the floor is made of floor hmmm*
2:18 he definitely should not hire professional voice actors, the ''non professionals'' make the characters sound more life like and bring the animated character more alive so to speak
That's really not the case. I've watched passion projects, they're fun but bad. Emotional moments are really bad for non professionals to replicate, though I can give you one thing, professionals tend to find one good way to do something and stick to it.
@@BygoneT In Miyazaki's case the impression I got was that he only hired non-professional voice actors for lines/characters that are easy for them. I think the more realistic speaking style fits in Miyazaki's films.
One could make an argument for that DIO clip, you see, he knew he was getting spied by the people he hates so... no wonder he would be pissed off and be disrespectful.
Hey Yuta, terrific video yet again! Perhaps you could do a video about how the Japanese language has changed over the last hundred years or so. That would be fascinating!
That would trigger a lot of people. Because the history of the language is tied to the country's cultural and political history as well. Since it would cover some events in recent history, it could become a controversial video
I had a Japanese language teacher in 2009, who I think was a native speaker (I'd be surprised if she wasn't) - she definitely was not a native English speaker at the least, and she had told my class that watching subbed anime to practice wasn't a bad thing to do. HOWEVER, the next semester, a new teacher was hired - she was a native Japanese speaker and talked a bit about living in Japan. This instructor was incredibly amused, surprised, and horrified to hear a few of my classmates speaking as if they were odd Yakuza members (they enjoyed Yakuza anime primarily). Situations like that in class were definitely extremely amusing and made for memorable learning experiences with our teacher. Another funny bit of confusion that happened during class was when a few of my classmates were trying to ask Sensei for assistance with some class work and tried to ask for help in Japanese by using the vocabulary dictionary in our textbook - the textbook listed the word to use when needing help for an emergency rather than help with something relatively unimportant. Sensei panicked thinking someone got hurt until the misunderstanding was voiced (our teacher was teaching multiple skill levels at once that semester and had suggested to the lower-leved class to use the dictionary more often without realising that grammar difference wasn't made clear in the dictionary).
I think I understand the difference. Speaking the way anime characters speak would kinda be similar to how stage actors speak when doing Shakespeare plays. Its kinda overly dramatic and incorporates useable words that arent used often in normal conversation.
Thank you for this video. :) For me, as a foreigner without any fluent Japanese-speaking family or friends, anime was my first Japanese teacher. Eventually I learned that anime is not an accurate portrayal of the language but it was a good starting point that piqued my interest.
だ da is the plain form of the polite copula です desu. Although this isn't a perfect translation, it would mean something like "to be" (there are a variety of reasons why that isn't entirely true BUT THAT'S WAY TOO COMPLICATED HERE xD) Basically, ending a sentence with だ is kind of like the "proper", grammatical, "correct" way to end a sentence. Like the kind a textbook would give you. Think, if it was a hot day, and if you said something like "I am hot." it might sound kind of unnaturally proper, right? I'd say something like "Hey, I'm kinda hot.". That's basically the story here. 暑いだ。Atsui da. That would basically mean "I am hot". おい、ちょっと暑いだよね。Oi, chotto atsui da yone. That would basically mean "Hey, I'm kinda hot, ya know.". I'm ending the sentence here with だよね da yone instead of just だ, and adding a bunch of accompanying words. よ yo and ね ne are very, very, very commonly added to the end of sentences in a conversation. You know how a lot of badass or tough-guy anime characters speak in a sort of serious and proper tone?
He was highlighting the weird speech patterns used in Anime. Like old people saying "ja" instead of "da". That doesn't mean that the sentence would be natural if you replaced the "ja" with "da" - he is just pointing out the substitution.
Japanese people: *trips over* ouch, gotta be careful next time Anime character: *trips over* , *slow motion of zoomed in face* , *falls over* , "GRRRHHH-"
To say "do you want to go out" would be either a more formal way of asking (which would rarely be used, or an exasperated (the speaker being annoyed) way of asking. Maher latter would be more akin to "DO YOU WANT TO GO OUT". "Want to go out" would be more colloquial.
Finally, I've always wanted an answer to this question I always had. How come nobody really has drastic negative reactions to "I've learned English via cartoons", but it isn't with "I've learned Japananese via anime." Anyways, I know he answered a lot in this video already but might as well state the questions and assumptions I had. I've always known stuff such as omae, kisama, and the other 2nd person pronouns being an anime only trait. But still, is Japanese in anime really that different from its real life counterpart as opposed to cartoon English? The best "western equivalents" to this that I could think of are Peppa Pig, and the way characters used to talk in those old, black & white American movies, which I believe is modelled on the Mid-Atlantic accent. To be fair, I guess it's not really a fair comparison. It wasn't just cartoons that taught me English, which is co-official language where I'm from, and I also communicate a lot with the internet. Although I think some native English speakers might find my way of typing their language a little too formal or structured. Also, I really don't want to be nitpicky since this is a really well-made video. But I kinda wish he used more cartoons other than Rick & Morty as an example. Like SpongeBob, since I grew up with that. Oh well.
~[M], I agree with what you've said. In American cartoons (I can't really speak to other English speaking media) there are I guess two major categories: comedy and everything else. I would say the comedy cartoons use exaggeration and non-normal ways of speaking to make it funny. The aim is humor. However the rest of the cartoons I think tend to aim to make their characters relatable and human-sounding. The point is to make this piece of art come alive. The only time the cartoons sound less realistic is when they are in non-normal situations. Like when a superhero and a super villain clash in a kiddie cartoon. Foreigners would have no reason to talk like a super villain because it has no real-world application. And some vocabulary is unrealistic because it's for a PG audience. But generally, I'd say American cartoons use normal (PG) English language and don't break any language rules that it seems like anime does. I wish Yuta would have continued to make more comparisons to English cartoons as well because I really don't see it. And ~[M], your English is great. You certainly don't sound like a cartoon... whatever that might mean.
As an English native I can defintly confirm that cartoon dialogue has its own unique quirks that are uncommon in everyday speaking. But a lot of it has to do with timing and emphasis placed on words, not so much the grammar itself. Anyway to answer the question, the truth is people who are not native English speakers are incredibly easy to spot and the majority of the time use very awkward expressions that sound wrong or jarring. But because English IS so widely spoken, we have just become accustomed to ignoring it and we are quite good at understanding poorly spoken English.
@@Luckingsworth -- I think you've touched on the real reason weird English is more acceptable than weird Japanese. English has been accumulating so many different bits of grammar, breaking and jury-rigging it's oen rules that brocken English is almost the proper way to speak it informally. Japanese, with the exception of loan words which are usually easy to pick out, is very homogenized, with small grammatical differences often being a specific dialect from a specific place. With English, it can be difficult to tell with hemisphere someone's from, let along country.
@@cassieberringer7427 True. The only real differences between cartoon English and real English is stuttering, repetition, and tangets. And even then, for cartoons directed at tweens and teens, there seems to be more and more of the former two. It's even started to appear on kid's cartoons, especially British/Aussie ones, it seems.
I think it's important to know when a character is being rude or when they are 'acting' with their voice, versus when they are using words that you would need in business. The example at 5:18 to me would be learning grammar and certain words, like "my bar" (ore no mise). If you're learning Japanese from anime, it's probably a good idea to learn a lot of basic Japanese first so you know what's polite/rude, professional/kid-like, or what's been changed for improved listening comprehension (like 6:50). Also the example at 8:03 where the cloud is speaking very stilted is specifically trying to convey the omnipresence of the cloud. These kinds of theatrical elements are important in language learning to me. When you are able to differentiate between conversational, unnatural, and theatrical speaking and understand the nuances, you've really become fluent.
I’m learning so much, but **wow** Japanese is complex. Like, I taught myself to read, speak, and understand some Russian, but Japanese is a whole new level of hard. I’ve gotten to the point that I can start to pick out familiar words in anime (where I hear Japanese most often) and in your videos. The thing that worries me the most is with conversational flow; so many of the words just flow together for me in a way that I have trouble picking them out. Then there’s writing! Katakana and hiragana? I’m pretty sure I can learn those relatively easily, but the Kanji… The Kanji scare me.
In french it is even worst, there's no way you would speak like the "cartoons". I'm trying to picture a person who would speak like the french dub version of Johnny Bravo. It would be hilarious 😅
Your vidoes have helped me learn and understand japanese so much better. The way you explain it really helped me connect the holes in the language i couldn't figure out. Arigatō
7:28 This isint just contractions in English, alot of Cartoon characters or Actors will use less vowel reductions than a real person as well. For Example, when you contracted “Want to” to “Wanna”, it isn’t just shorter, you also vowel reduced the “oo” sound at the end of “To” to just “uh”. Reducing to “uh” on vowels is pretty common in regular speech in english, but less so in cartoons or Acting.
I’m not going to lie, all I saw was unnatural and my mind immediately thought “The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural”
I wonder how many other languages have the polite speech version. My language, hungarian has it too, we have "te" which is casual "you" towards same age, younger people, friends, family etc. Then we have "maga" which is the more "businesslike you" we address strangers, older people, and people in facilities like teachers, bank workers, lawyers, cashiers etc with it. And the most respectful one is "ön" used for very high ranked people like politicians. Just the other day I actually was wondering about "omae" while watching JoJo. Joseph and Caesar addressed each other as such even after they became friends, but isn't "omae" a rude word? Or is it acceptable between tough guy friends?
Swedish has a casual and formal version of You, but I've only ever heard the formal version used in old news broadcasts or when someone interviews the royal family. I think, pretty much everything in swedish below speeches from politicians and interviews with royalty is casual. Like we never use the word for Ms, Mr and Mrs (though we do have them) and nobody uses last names, even students and employees just call their teacher/boss by their first name. We were more formal in the past though, you can see it in old movies and stuff.
I feel like a lot of this comes down to either fluid storytelling, conveying a characters's personality or a story just not being set in modern day Japan. For example you wouldn't expect characters in a medieval European setting to speak English the same way a modern day person would.
the rick and morty example actually is kinda specific to that show though, and in the example shown the repeated ''were you'' seems like less just making them sound natural and rambly and more so to express surprise
Very interesting, what does happen the other way around? Do they "Japanify" western characters like... certain company did.(4kids, do not google do not summon them)
Cool video. I have an idea: formal and military terms in anime like what you would hear in Gate, black lagoon, jormungand, kantai collection, strike witches or any anime with military focus. That would be cool
Honestly, this is why I enjoy shows where the characters act less like anime characters and more like real life people. It's way mor relatable, and I'm actually able to immerse myself in the show
honda from fruits basket speaks very polite japanese, it might be a good starting point for listening without subtitles. i started understanding her after only a few weeks of studying.
I hope I covered the most important stuff in this video. It's a really fun topic to talk about and there are many subtle differences even many Japanese people are not fully aware of.
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Hey, so where that animation language come from ? Were was it in use before animation existed ? japanese theater ?
is there any fictional japanese work in mass media that strives for realism in acting/speech? I noticed that in videogame motion capture as well, if it's a japanese game, the actors, instead of attempting to move realistically, move as if they were in a theater stage. it's really off-putting especially since the camera is close to their faces, but their emoting is exaggerated (as all stage acting tends to be since the audience is far away from the stage)
@Dexy Chan I think what Yuta means is depend on the context and frequency (which is also discussed in this video)
Would you consider the use of some sentence-ending particles as verbal tics? As a reference, like how some old or deity-type characters tend to speak with the "ja" or "no ja", or how upper-class women characters end with "desu wa". Verbal tics are supposed to be involuntary sounds, but what's your opinion on such speak patterns?
In languages, there are different tones and inflections to communicate genuine emotions. I side with Miyazaki's approach, because it gives his stories and characters such a huge connection with the audience. It's not just a one-off show that you'll forget in a few years, it's story-telling at its finest. Thank you for doing this series - as a polyglot who's just starting to learn Japanese, I appreciate your videos very much.
ありがとうございます!
I can't imagine a real life Japanese 17 year old boy with the muscles of a middle aged bodybuilder calling his own mother the B-word, and saying "yare yare daze" over and over.
Haha
"The b-word"? Babushka?
Hmm...Yes, you again.But thats funny too
Brownie?
Hello again
Damn so people in Japan don't yell, "WRYYYYYY"
If thats the case...
*I REJECT MY HUMANITY!! JOJOO!!!*
Good bye jojo
I'll never forgive the Japanese!
Japanese do yell like "OH MAI GAAAAAAAA!".
No they do that in Europe
Regular Japanese people aren't typically witches, billionaires, princes, pirates, vampires.
WHAT DO YOU MEAAAAN
True
but thankfully Catgirl Maids are real
Nor sayajins.
and my trip to Japan is cancelled!
Really? *mind blown*
Yuta: Japanese girls don´t say " *Ara Ara* " in real life
How to kill millions of hopes and dreams in less then a second
just what we needed in 2020 goddammit
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
" Ara Ara " Both men and women generally use various ways.rest assured!
It is used when you are surprised or when you make fun of the other person (when you look like a couple)
Another example is'
"Ara?" "Arara?" (interest)
"Arara..." “Aryarya” "Araaaaaaa..."(Discouragement)
"Ara!" "AraAra!" ”Araaaaaaaaaa!” (Happy surprise) etc..
* how to kill dreams of all hardcore otakus
It's straight-up cringe to hear "ara-ara" outside of anime. Even in anime it's cringe sometimes.
I had a Japanese girlfriend before who always said ara ara when she was displeased with something
Of course Dio doesn’t speak like a Japanese person, he’s Brittish
Actually he's Bri'ish 😂
He’s a piss baby is what he is
I DIO aprove this message
M-m-ma-marinette?! Lol
Bri'ish!?
Hoh? You don't talk like Dio? Even though his voice acting is awesome? Hoho, very well, it only makes sense!
Jojo fans disgusting
Totodile IsBlue HOHO!
"You thought it was a legit japanese guy, but it was me, Dio!!!"
Hohoho , you thought I was Dio
But its me Santa 🎅
@Virtual Tentacle Monster hmm , very good theory
Imagine Japanese girls going around yelling "EKUSPROSION!!!"
perfect.
I had that in mind while watching the video 😂😂😂
You telling me they don't do that?
if they did, I would already live in Japan.
WHY ARE YOU INSIDE MY DREAMS-
WHO ARE YOU
What separates anime Japanese and real Japanese is that in anime speech patterns are often used as a tool to convey someones personality at a glance. While in actual Japanese the way you speak is more dependant on your surroundings than who you are.
They are fundamentally used for different reasons and I think knowing at least basic Japanese will make anime a lot more enjoyable to watch, that was the case for me at least. I think it's really fun to see what kind of speech patterns characters use and what it could mean about their personalities
Yeah. Subs arent a 100% accurate anyways. If u know Japanese u will be able to understand stuff even more clearly. No offense to the subs doe
Well in real life, we usually try to hide our true personality, while in fiction drama the author aims to reveal the characters personality so the reader/viewer can make a connection (be it positive or negative) to the character.
Yeah, using "ore" and "boku" in real life depends on the situation and context, but in anime a person saying "ore" or "boku" is "fixed" (i.e. even in formal situations they still use their pronoun of choice).
I Always noticed this.
This became some sort of stereotype/trope/cliche in anime. For ex, before a cold and no-nonsense characters (kuudere) talk, we already having an image to how she/he would sounds like (Kanade, Violet Evergarden, Rei Ayami, etc..)
I started wondering does this always in anime? What about other media in general? Does western animation voice-acting does the same?
For me, this quirk can fall into "cliche" but also an unique trait. Idk.
Yeah same. Anime speaks in wild ways. But so does western cartoons. I don’t hear anyone who talks like Homer Simpson, or Rick Sanchez, they’re characters. Theatrical embellishments of how real people would react. Anime is no exception. It’s theater, a performance that distances itself from reality in order to entertain.
At least that’s how I always viewed it.
"Real life japanese dont use words like Kisama, Yare Yare and Ara Ara"
Well, there goes my japanese vocabulary.
Yare yare daze
I heard my senior say “yare yare” one time though when he was frustrated af.
@@fridz66 I think it's one of those things where people use these phrases very rarely, but since they're in the cultural consciousness sometimes they come up. Like in English I'm not likely to use the phrase "my goodness!" with a friend because it's very dated, but there's been a few times where I did anyway because either stronger expressions didn't seem appropriate, it seemed funnier in that context, or it somehow fit the flow of conversation better. Like I would never present someone with the response, "Uh. My goodness. Fuck, I'm sorry" as an example of consistent or natural English but I've defintely responded like that before. It's an interesting topic--how do we choose these phrases in the moment?
@@watsonwrote I don't think that people put much thought into responses like that so sometimes will say one phrase and then think it didn't sound quite right so just add on another one that does sound right.
I would rarely use 'my goodness' as a response to another person saying something, but more as an expression of frustration at a situation and I can only assume that other languages have phrases like that that started out as a response to someone saying something, but have over time had a shift in what context they get used to become more of an expression at a situation instead.
I mean, imagine you everyday Americans speaking like Hollywood movie characters.
Or spanish speakers talking like soap opera's characters
Carlos Meza Perez or african people screaming “OOOHHHHHH” whenever they get insulted.
Like, people talk like that because they’re voice ACTORS.
Normal people will talk normally.
Some people are idiots (this isn’t directed at you by the way, just saying)
@@artthenecromancer404 yes, I get what you mean we often get our perceptions on the way people talk other languages mostly from shows that comes from them which severly distorted their way of speaking in order to make the dialogue more interesting or easier to undestand between different dialects of the same language.
Carlos Meza Perez I’m glad we agree :)
Being a Russian it's difficult to get it.
Our actors in movies are talking mostly like real life people, and if it's not then we can call it bad acting :T
they also don’t have a giant tear appear near their head when they’re upset!
Euler's Identity uh huh sure okay yes good okay yep mhmm yea
I don't think they shoot blood from their nostrils when sexually aroused either.
Seven Proxies that’s the texas horned toad.
A single sweat drop is more for showing confusion, exasperation or embarrassment. Cross-popping veins (or just "veins") are for showing anger.
Webberjo which are all synonyms for upset.
3:00 Rick and Morty is very much an exception, too. They do the episode recordings in what a theater scholar might call 'naturalist' style, which is to say they're definitely trying to capture the feel of real world people having a conversation. They also, as I understand, do only one or two takes, which is incredibly irregular for almost anything but an adult comedy cartoon in the west
I think Rick's actor is even drunk during recording. He's method acting, if you will
yes! thank you:) it’s also a kind of rumbling stylization at times 🙈 still a great example 👌✨
Literally the non-story driven speaking scenes are almost entirely improvised
I didnt notice until it was pointed out to me that even actors in american movies don't speak normally.
@IceCola Was partially mentioned in the video, but people in movies like in the marvel cinematic universe may speak with few mistakes, make snappy back and forth dialogue quips. Compared to normal conversation everyone seems like they always know what to say (as though it were scripted). Just like native Japanese speakers have expectations for how anime should sound, westerners may have expectations of how movies are supposed to sound.
For my nation it was always obvious, our film actors act as if they where in theather.
I used to transcribe interviews of people who lived a century ago. They would make so many mistakes! Many people in real life start saying a sentence, then change what they wanted to say midway. Sometimes it gets funny.
@@БутерБрод-ы8ш Changing mid sintence is even stranger if you have many conjugations and declinations because f you change a sentence half way everything is wrong now.
@ Do you italians make films in regional dialects to make them more interesting and realistic?
"No one speaks like Eric Cartmann" Seems like you haven't met enough "Karen's" and their little angels.
It's funny cause that's what South Park is making fun of
was about to comment about that... never underestimate the power of sounding like Cartmann at all times.
@masakasama i think he meant the voice
Their little (fallen) angels
I've actually heard Japanese people say あらあら in real-life conversations a bunch of times. But they don't say it so dramatically like in anime of course.
Whats that
@@HapricotsB it means "ara ara" or "my my" in English or "oh my" as well if im not mistaken
@@HapricotsB Ara ara
@@HapricotsB ara ara is something Japanese people will say sometimes in response to something kinda surprising, like usually in response to something unfortunate happening. Like if you say oh I broke my phone today they might respond with "ara ara!"
@@kozuta8858 thank you so much
Dio: is in the thumbnail
JoJo fans: *who has summoned the homosexual one*
Ouch! Thats rude!
@@udveetpatil8002 there profile picture is of jolyen and the account so there insulting them selves as much as you
Oh and WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
And no it who summoned me
@Dinosaur Kira NOOOOOOO!(CRIES LIKE JOSEPH CRIED CEASAR)(BTW I am not against gay people, just writing so someone doesn't get agitated)
Do you think the high usage of "literary" Japanese in anime may also come from the fact that they are adapted from manga, a medium with written dialogue and narration?
But IMHO that doesn't fully explain it. Dialogue, even in written form, doesn't have to be "literary" and could be more colloquial, as that's how people tend to speak in everyday life. Going for one or the other is a stylistic choice whether it's made by a creator of a manga or of an anime.
You may be onto something. Especially since more and more anime are adapted from light novels these days, a textual medium, not manga.
@@seneca983 OP stated "may also come from..." meaning that it isn't the only explanation, but ALSO MAY include manga/literature adaptations as part of the reason, not the entire/only reason.
@@Murasame13 Yes, although I feel the point of the reply is that a person saying manga adaptation is a reason might be assuming that all manga use literary Japanese, even tho that's not the case. Some manga use it, some don't. So emphasis on MAY since there's a chance that it doesn't come from that. Of course, I don't read manga in Japanese (or at all) so I can't really tell how frequent literary Japanese is used in manga or light novels.
The infuriating thing is when non-Japanese learners tell Japanese learners "You can't learn Japanese from anime!" as if they knew what they're talking about. They literally think it's like a different language, rather than being comparable to the English spoken in cartoons. You absolutely do learn enough. And recognising when keigo is used and when not etc. is trivial for a learner.
I mean I would rather speak Japanese in an anime way and sound funny rather than no Japanese at all lol. At least I guess I could understand conversations. But then again if I were able to speak like an anime character then why not go a bit further and learn how to speak normal haha
Right, I don’t think anyone who’s serious about learning the language is getting their speech patterns from cartoons! I personally like to pay attention to the dialogue in anime just to learn common words, in much the same way I started to learn English as a kid. Another comparison I can make is Arabic cartoons, which I’ve also watched a lot of because it’s my parents’ language :-) most Arabic cartoons are in Modern Standard Arabic, which is never used in conversation at all (except in some very specialized contexts, like if you’re a newscaster or a diplomat). So it makes me crack up to think of someone talking like that in real life.
@@lynxaway that is very interesting. "Modern Standard" Arabic sounds, because of its name, like the kind of language people would actually use in real life. So what do Arabic speakers actually speak, then?
Like saying "You can't learn English from TH-cam videos or it's Always Sunny. They're talking grammatically incorrect and use colloqualisms."
Dude, that is part of the language used so let me watch my stuff, be entertained and learn something while I'm at it.
@Sileithel we speak in our native dialects! Arabic is diglossic, meaning we use two versions, one for writing and one for speaking. Spoken Arabic is split into a lot of dialects across different countries and regions. Only on TV do people speak using MSA, because animated shows are meant to be accesible to all Arabic speakers, usually. Hope that answers your question.
When I hear people talk about non-native Japanese speakers talking like anime characters, I immediately think of a non-native English speaker trying to sound like Bugs Bunny or Elmer Fudd.
did everyone forget that dio ist japanese
but hes British right?
so that means queen Elizabeth might just go WWRRYYY
Hahahaha lol JoJo funny nothing better than JoJo everything is JoJo England is JoJo
Tbf she probably is a vampire too
HELLEAUUUUUUUUUUU!
@@charlieueueueueue6578 uP
"kisama", Vegeta's favorite word.
Vegeta: KISAMA!!!
Dio: WRRYYYYYYYYYY!!! *Gatling punches.*
It's pronoun.
@@AhJauBut So what? It's still a word.
That's the only thing I was thinking
Vegeta's favourite words
Kisama
Kakkarotoo
Kuso
Baka
Nani?
Buruma
vegeta no waza da
Street interview idea: show some examples of "animespeak" in written form to elders and ask them what they think of these characters. For example, since Megumin always speaks formally, would elders think she's uptight?
One day it will happen......one day......
@@amia7z ?
i have never seen this anime but i would guess it is because she looks like a witch, more in character
My grandmother used to say "ara" a loooooot. It's a real expression that Japanese people use, but it's probably better not to treat it the same way you see it treated in anime. Even "kisama" has its usage, but most people go their lives without saying it themselves.
The only people you hear' speaking more anime-like are kids because they mimic anime speech a lot in both play and to mimic their heroes.
The latter happens in Spanish too. In Latin America, many children speak "neutral Spanish" or Mexican Spanish as far away from Mexico as Argentina. This is because Mexico is where most cartoons are dubbed and they either use Mexican Spanish or "neutral" (a fictional dialect of Spanish used in fiction so that a dub made in one country can be sold to all Latin American countries; it's basically a washed-out dialect in which slang, which varies greatly among countries, is omitted in favour of more neutral sounding words, and sometimes there's censorship of cussing).
@@Sileithel I really hate that Neutral Spanish for the dubs. It doesn't let the voice actors, or even the script really shine.
We already knew that because of how dramatic they talk
and yet people still want to learned Japanese from anime even though its unnatural.
dramatically
@@user-Korpan There is no such thing as strictly natural Japanese. Context shapes what is natural for a given situation. This is to say that as opposed to just discounting something as unnatural for being anime, it is far more productive to contextualize why someone is speaking the way they are and to see what that tells you about the expectations of a given situation. Anime does not exist in a vacuum, and as such Japanese culture and conversational etiquette is still heavily present within anime.
@@user-Korpan The language used in most anime is still correct and perfectly understandable japanese, made by native speakers for other native speakers to understand, so it's still fine to use as learning material. I think you should give language learners' intelligence more credit than not expect them to be able to tell that people in the real world don't speak like cartoon characters, because I don't know anybody who reached fluency in japanese by doing nothing but watch anime.
@@inendlesspain4724 Exactly? Like... What's bad about sounding stupid sometimes if you can make someone laugh? It's not like you always do it XD
I love how kyuubey is just casually next to him.
"Anime characters sound like anime characters, because we want anime characters to sound like anime characters" Deep, truth, justice.
When u go to japan but u dont see any buffed 17 year olds.
*BIG KUSAAAAAA*
Apparently you've never been to a Japanese spa house. :P
Is that a hololive reference?
You do..just very very few. lol It's like saying *you dont see Japanese guys with big peckers* but if you go to a public bath house..you'll see. lol
*those fuckers lied to me*
Ywah only in America
I mean, I can't think of a single time someone legit said to me, "nice weather were having, isn't it" in exactly those words but I've read/heard such a phrase countless times
I legit say that all the time... I am the fool of the English language
I feel like that's more of a British vs American thing. Although modern younger brits might say "Nice weather we' havin', innit?" or just "Nice weather, innit?"
Full on "Nice weather we're having, isn't it?" would be more something that the Royal Family would say.
"oi mate, noice we'a, innit?"
Didnt think i would see someone on the other side of the globe wearing the same tshirt as me right now.
*WORLD WIDE*
Who else noticed that added kisama Yuta added in the Terrace House example? 😂
Looked at my cat and said "Nyaa Nyaa" but him being a Russian blue looked at me and said "Nyet" before walking off.
Mine says "MEOW" in a deep voice..
@Rafael Martins In Finnish it's also "miau" or "miu" ^^
I would've expected him to say "Kak zhe zayebalo vso"
@Rafael Martins Mayan/Aztec cat mix(idk how to spell it correctly but its pronounced kinda like meesh meesh meesh. Yes it has to be 3x)
@Rafael Martins Meanwhile in the Philippines: Miming
Reminds me of a running theme in the early 17th century spanish novel "Don Quijote De La Mancha" by Miguel de Cervantes.
In the book, the main protagonist is a middle aged and somewhat ugly dude that has been reading a lot of novels of the time. When the book came out, a lot of novels in Spain revolved around heroic characters going on adventures and taking land, because Spain had been in a 700 year war known as the "Reconquista" (reconquest) taking back lost territories from the Umayyad Caliphate. So a lot of people were somewhat "brainwashed" by these novels that romanticized the idea of going on an adventure and taking land for the crown and whatnot. So the character of the novel "Don Quijote" is essentially one extreme case of someone who is completely mad and actually thinks he is living in one of these books. As a result, he speaks with a very old form of spanish that I assume sounded like the 12th and 13th century spanish that was common in novels writen during the "Reconquista". As a result, in the early 17th century spain that the characters are living in (when the novel came out) his spanish sounds completely comical and even the characters in the novel think he's a weirdo who talks funny. Most of the time they can't even fully understand what he's saying because he talks like a 13th century character from a heroic story. The author of novel, Miguel de Cervantes, liked to poke fun at certain stereotypes and tropes of the time. Unfortunately it's harder appreciate this humor now because a modern speaker of 21st century spanish would have to be able to distinguish the 17th century spanish from the 13th century spanish, and that's not easily done, so the humor doesn't come across well anymore.
I thought it was relevant to this video as the author of the novel is more or less making fun of a similar trope. It would be like a modern novel written about a guy obsessed with anime who talks like an anime character, and everyone around him think he is weird because of it.
Oh and in case you were wondering, the reconquista war in spain ended the same year Columbus set off on his first trip westwards across the Atlantic, so a lot of people signed up as "conquistadors" when he came back with news because they had grown up reading novels that romanticized going on adventures to unknown lands. These novels had been written more or less to glorify the idea of going to battle against the moors, but when the moors were defeated and there was no more land to take back from them, many people were left thinking "now what do I do?"
And so when they heard of new lands that they could go explore, they essentially thought that was their chance to go live their own adventure. Interestingly, despite what english sources might say, most people who signed up were not gold thirsty butchers, and in fact many people bank rolled their own trip and spent fortunes just buying equipment for a long adventure. Some spent the equivalent of what today would be $1 million, so most of these people were doing pretty well already (many had become rich after taking stuff from the moors during the reconquista) and as such, had no need for more and only wanted to live an adventure and explore. If you're confused about the discrepancy, I advise you look into the "Spanish Blacklegend". Most history books in english are descendants of it.
this is really interesting! thank you for the history lesson!
I like the expression: "are you aware of your own defect" 😁
Victor Billordo I see you’ve heard of the Japanese Educational system, so have I. I think I heard this from the TH-cam channel “Life In Japan”.
@@HelloHamburger ah, a fellow intellectual.
@@HelloHamburger Wasn't it Abroad in Japan?
Abroad in Japan
I read the title as “exposed” instead of “explained” it confused me for a sec.
B-B-B-BREAKING NEWS! JAPANESE ANIME CHARACTERS EXPOSED!
I see DIO, I click
3:53
きさま!見ているなッ!
@@ThatJapaneseManYuta ああ
Don't let him get away, Jotaro!
@@theopulentone1650 I WILL NOT
>Who would want to watch an entire episode about tests?
Azumanga Daioh fans I guess.
The chuunin exams are tests, right?
😂 I love Azumanga Daioh
We Never Learn gang
Yuta, can you talk about how Sasha from AoT speaks Japanese? She has an accent and because she's ashamed of that she speaks formal Japanese with everyone. In S2E2 she's teased and looked weird because of that, but it's not that clear why in the subtitles.
She speaks the dialect of Oita prefecture in Kyushu
(Isayama's hometown)
In the aot anime, does anyone know what is Sasha's nationality? (Like, which country do you think the character is from)
I believe Sasha's father refers to her family's people group as a minority people group within the Walls due to their lifestyle with heavy emphasis on hunting, but it is not clear if her speech pattern is related to this or not. This was definitely in the manga, not sure how much of it made it into the anime.
S2E2 (09:16)
sasha:”they oughta leave ours.”
normal:hayaku deteikeba iinoni
sasha's dialect:hayo detekeba iin-ni
kansai dialect:hayo detekeba eenoni (hayou detekyaa eenen)
Sasha's accent is very unique.I also live in Oita, but it is a little different from the Sasha dialect. Sasha's dialect is very limited in area.
It's less common than the Kansai dialect, so it might be hard to hear.
you've probably seen by now but he discusses her at length in his dialect video!
fun fact: you explained that in japanese "mou ii no?" means "shall we go" informally, well coincidentally, "mo' iimo" means almost the same thing in the roman dialect of italian (it's more aggressive, like "we are leaving right now!")
That's not quite right. It means that in the context provided in the video, but the phrase is literally, "already good?"
mou is used to express, "already," for positive tense, and, "anymore," for negative tense. So, "mou ikimashita," is, "already went," and, "mou ikimasen," is, "don't go any more." The adjective, "ii," means, "good." So as you can see, there's a lot of subtext in Japanese conversation. Many things are implied or inferred. That character can say, "mou ii no," to ask if someone is ready to go, but only because it's clear that they know which conditions in that context needed to be met in order for the person they were asking to BE ready to go. He knew she had something she was working on that she had to do first.
Weebs: wait, it was all different in real life?
Yuuta: 🔫 it always has been
kingdom of predators *intensify*
12:59 Yuta's dejected expression when he realized that he has to imitate a cat girl on screen...
That’s Kyube from Puella Magi Madoka Magica.
I see characters' speaking in Japanese animation as the same as western animation. Over exaggerated & made to be more memorable for that distinctive character. If animated characters spoke entirely like normal people it wouldn't be as entertaining.
I remember speaking with an American voice actor & he told how some of characters he played were encouraged to be over the top. Since many of the characters he played were on children's shows. Just goes to show that there are ways animated characters speak & how real people speak.
Besides I have seen real people try to speak like anime characters & it is just not natural. Feel incredibly forced & unnatural. The same thing applies to comic books. Especially the golden age comic books like classic Superman or Batman.
This cannot stand to benefit the good citizens of Gotham, but sometimes sacrifices must be made.
@@charliekahn4205 I think I'd say it applies to fiction in general. I'm a non-native English speaker, (though I picked up the language at around ages 2-3 from watching other people speak it, so you probably wouldn't assume that if I didn't have a weird accent on top of a speech impediment) and a pretty common mistake I see my peers make is trying to immitate things they've read in books. While learning from books IS good because it helps you build a large vocabulary, you can’t just come up to someone and go "Pleasant afternoon, esteemed individual, pardon my English, for my lexicon is limited due to English being my second tongue, but I am in your vicinity to enquire about the location of the convenience store." That would make you sound like a Jane Austen character at best and a weirdo at worst.
@@Me-io3wg True. I think it'd be better for non-English speakers to use cartoons as a basis for learning English (like what kids here in the Philippines do) since it's closer to everyday modern American English than formal British English. Watching TH-camrs would also be a good idea, especially for "larger" languages like English, French, Spanish, German, Chinese, Japanese, etc.
this lowkey is just Yuta's excuse to show everyone his favorite anime
What I want to know is why Japanese VA’s only have 8 voices that they ALL do.
1. The stoic male protagonist.
2. The stoic female protagonist.
3. The stereotypical over the top anime girl.
4. The sultry seductress.
5. The over the top flamboyant effeminate man.
6. The grizzled samurai.
7. The heroic youth. Always male.
8. Old person.
Seriously. 99.99% of characters in ALL anime have one of these eight voices. And any character with, say, voice #6, WILL sound EXACTLY the same as EVERY other character in ANY show with voice #6, regardless of who actually did the voice. You could have 100 actors play 100 different characters, and if it’s a “#6 voice” character, ALL 100 WILL SOUND LIKE THE SAME PERSON. I really don’t get it.
"People may talk about irrelevant things for 20 minutes before they start talking about what they really want to say. Anime characters are not like that"
Monogatari series: *head tilting intensifies*
It's a good catch. But characters in Monogatari, while seemingly talking irrelevant rubbish, make every single word count. To a point where missing a single key word can confuse you watching the episode further down. While in real day-to-day dialogue, 95% of things said are usually completely arbitrary.
@@almarc even then, you're not bored by their seemingly mundane conversation. You get to see their defining personality shine through.
Literally every anime character that Takehito Koyasu has voiced sounds recognizable in any voice tones...
His voice is very distinctive, but Dio doesn't talk exactly the same way as Roswaal L Mathers or Claudia Hodgins
Hiroshi Kamiya tho
For me it's Hanazawa Kana. Her voice has a unique undertone that's quite distinctive in almost every character she acted. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing professionally but I like it.
I found this bloke on video games twice now... And I don't remember much about the video games I've played.
I think he voiced the Persona 2 protagonist and one guy in Yakuza Kiwami 2.
Interestingly enough Koyasu’s natural speaking voice sounds different though, he speaks a lot softer. If you look up an interview of his he really sounds different, it surprised me when I first heard it XD.
my mom is convinced that Japanese people do those weird little gasp, sighs, and food noises irl
Make sit racist ..
@@user-xh6ju3pg8c bruh
@@Murasame13 really..that sounds racist
@@user-xh6ju3pg8c bruh
@@user-xh6ju3pg8c yall say everything is racist
Of course they don't. Daddy Frank of the Filth taught us that already.
Papa Franku is our 1st teacher
*was our only teacher ;-;
Hakujin 🙄🙄🙄
echhi shiyou ze
That's Francis of the Filth to you
4:52 to be fair if you constantly said "Oh dear, oh dear" you would sound like british grandma in a romantic novel xd
Look at these clips!
*shows 3 Takahashi Rie clips*
man of culture
Ekusupurosion Ikr, for a non-anituber he’s the most cultured youtuber I know of
"Anime characters want to sound like anime characters. . . Because that's what we look for in an anime character."
*Ah yes, the floor is made of floor hmmm*
2:18 he definitely should not hire professional voice actors, the ''non professionals'' make the characters sound more life like and bring the animated character more alive so to speak
That's really not the case. I've watched passion projects, they're fun but bad. Emotional moments are really bad for non professionals to replicate, though I can give you one thing, professionals tend to find one good way to do something and stick to it.
@@BygoneT In Miyazaki's case the impression I got was that he only hired non-professional voice actors for lines/characters that are easy for them.
I think the more realistic speaking style fits in Miyazaki's films.
One could make an argument for that DIO clip, you see, he knew he was getting spied by the people he hates so... no wonder he would be pissed off and be disrespectful.
Hey Yuta, terrific video yet again! Perhaps you could do a video about how the Japanese language has changed over the last hundred years or so. That would be fascinating!
i second this!
Yessss that would be great
I would enjoy that too!
That would trigger a lot of people. Because the history of the language is tied to the country's cultural and political history as well. Since it would cover some events in recent history, it could become a controversial video
you know how easily people are triggered nowadays
I had a Japanese language teacher in 2009, who I think was a native speaker (I'd be surprised if she wasn't) - she definitely was not a native English speaker at the least, and she had told my class that watching subbed anime to practice wasn't a bad thing to do. HOWEVER, the next semester, a new teacher was hired - she was a native Japanese speaker and talked a bit about living in Japan. This instructor was incredibly amused, surprised, and horrified to hear a few of my classmates speaking as if they were odd Yakuza members (they enjoyed Yakuza anime primarily). Situations like that in class were definitely extremely amusing and made for memorable learning experiences with our teacher. Another funny bit of confusion that happened during class was when a few of my classmates were trying to ask Sensei for assistance with some class work and tried to ask for help in Japanese by using the vocabulary dictionary in our textbook - the textbook listed the word to use when needing help for an emergency rather than help with something relatively unimportant. Sensei panicked thinking someone got hurt until the misunderstanding was voiced (our teacher was teaching multiple skill levels at once that semester and had suggested to the lower-leved class to use the dictionary more often without realising that grammar difference wasn't made clear in the dictionary).
From the clips you cited you have really good taste in anime
I'd love to hear more naturalistic-sounding conversations in anime and cartoons in general, I don't see why it is considered an unpopular thing, lol
There are tons of that though. Slice of life, high school stuff, etc
@@tzukishiro not even close
“The director of Evangelion”
_sudden 2B appearance_
Why tho?
The author of NieR is a fan of Evangilion, and you can see alot of references in NieR to Eva's universe
@@ahmedmt1418 I see. tnx for the info.
Ohhh. I was puzzled by that cameo too. Is 2B inspired by Ayanami? I mean, other than being the cold/distanced female character trope...
@@firefly618 Yeah. Hell, the room full of 2B clones in the Tower made me instantly flash back to Evangelion.
I think I understand the difference. Speaking the way anime characters speak would kinda be similar to how stage actors speak when doing Shakespeare plays. Its kinda overly dramatic and incorporates useable words that arent used often in normal conversation.
Japanese speak normal and polite in real life
Thank you for this video. :) For me, as a foreigner without any fluent Japanese-speaking family or friends, anime was my first Japanese teacher. Eventually I learned that anime is not an accurate portrayal of the language but it was a good starting point that piqued my interest.
"Saying 'da' makes you sound like a fictional character"
"The proper way to say it is '...da'"
Someone please clarify
だ da is the plain form of the polite copula です desu. Although this isn't a perfect translation, it would mean something like "to be" (there are a variety of reasons why that isn't entirely true BUT THAT'S WAY TOO COMPLICATED HERE xD)
Basically, ending a sentence with だ is kind of like the "proper", grammatical, "correct" way to end a sentence. Like the kind a textbook would give you. Think, if it was a hot day, and if you said something like "I am hot." it might sound kind of unnaturally proper, right? I'd say something like "Hey, I'm kinda hot.".
That's basically the story here. 暑いだ。Atsui da. That would basically mean "I am hot". おい、ちょっと暑いだよね。Oi, chotto atsui da yone. That would basically mean "Hey, I'm kinda hot, ya know.". I'm ending the sentence here with だよね da yone instead of just だ, and adding a bunch of accompanying words. よ yo and ね ne are very, very, very commonly added to the end of sentences in a conversation.
You know how a lot of badass or tough-guy anime characters speak in a sort of serious and proper tone?
He was highlighting the weird speech patterns used in Anime. Like old people saying "ja" instead of "da".
That doesn't mean that the sentence would be natural if you replaced the "ja" with "da" - he is just pointing out the substitution.
@@LittleWhole The sentence 暑いだ is grammatically incorrect. You can say 暑い or 暑いです but never 暑いだ
Kono dio da!
LittleWhole thorough !
"Anime characters want to sound like Anime characters because that's what what we look for in an Anime character"....tru
Japanese people: *trips over* ouch, gotta be careful next time
Anime character: *trips over* , *slow motion of zoomed in face* , *falls over* , "GRRRHHH-"
Thanks for explaining this. I noticed that while listening to anime vs. japanese lessons.
The anime side of the Japanese language is a pathway that many Japanese-speaking people consider to be unnatural.
To say "do you want to go out" would be either a more formal way of asking (which would rarely be used, or an exasperated (the speaker being annoyed) way of asking. Maher latter would be more akin to "DO YOU WANT TO GO OUT". "Want to go out" would be more colloquial.
Finally, I've always wanted an answer to this question I always had. How come nobody really has drastic negative reactions to "I've learned English via cartoons", but it isn't with "I've learned Japananese via anime." Anyways, I know he answered a lot in this video already but might as well state the questions and assumptions I had.
I've always known stuff such as omae, kisama, and the other 2nd person pronouns being an anime only trait. But still, is Japanese in anime really that different from its real life counterpart as opposed to cartoon English? The best "western equivalents" to this that I could think of are Peppa Pig, and the way characters used to talk in those old, black & white American movies, which I believe is modelled on the Mid-Atlantic accent.
To be fair, I guess it's not really a fair comparison. It wasn't just cartoons that taught me English, which is co-official language where I'm from, and I also communicate a lot with the internet. Although I think some native English speakers might find my way of typing their language a little too formal or structured.
Also, I really don't want to be nitpicky since this is a really well-made video. But I kinda wish he used more cartoons other than Rick & Morty as an example. Like SpongeBob, since I grew up with that. Oh well.
~[M], I agree with what you've said. In American cartoons (I can't really speak to other English speaking media) there are I guess two major categories: comedy and everything else. I would say the comedy cartoons use exaggeration and non-normal ways of speaking to make it funny. The aim is humor. However the rest of the cartoons I think tend to aim to make their characters relatable and human-sounding. The point is to make this piece of art come alive.
The only time the cartoons sound less realistic is when they are in non-normal situations. Like when a superhero and a super villain clash in a kiddie cartoon. Foreigners would have no reason to talk like a super villain because it has no real-world application. And some vocabulary is unrealistic because it's for a PG audience.
But generally, I'd say American cartoons use normal (PG) English language and don't break any language rules that it seems like anime does. I wish Yuta would have continued to make more comparisons to English cartoons as well because I really don't see it. And ~[M], your English is great. You certainly don't sound like a cartoon... whatever that might mean.
As an English native I can defintly confirm that cartoon dialogue has its own unique quirks that are uncommon in everyday speaking.
But a lot of it has to do with timing and emphasis placed on words, not so much the grammar itself.
Anyway to answer the question, the truth is people who are not native English speakers are incredibly easy to spot and the majority of the time use very awkward expressions that sound wrong or jarring.
But because English IS so widely spoken, we have just become accustomed to ignoring it and we are quite good at understanding poorly spoken English.
@@Luckingsworth -- I think you've touched on the real reason weird English is more acceptable than weird Japanese. English has been accumulating so many different bits of grammar, breaking and jury-rigging it's oen rules that brocken English is almost the proper way to speak it informally. Japanese, with the exception of loan words which are usually easy to pick out, is very homogenized, with small grammatical differences often being a specific dialect from a specific place. With English, it can be difficult to tell with hemisphere someone's from, let along country.
@@cassieberringer7427 True. The only real differences between cartoon English and real English is stuttering, repetition, and tangets. And even then, for cartoons directed at tweens and teens, there seems to be more and more of the former two. It's even started to appear on kid's cartoons, especially British/Aussie ones, it seems.
I always love the self promotions in your videos. The way you sneak it in there is always so smooth
I think it's important to know when a character is being rude or when they are 'acting' with their voice, versus when they are using words that you would need in business. The example at 5:18 to me would be learning grammar and certain words, like "my bar" (ore no mise). If you're learning Japanese from anime, it's probably a good idea to learn a lot of basic Japanese first so you know what's polite/rude, professional/kid-like, or what's been changed for improved listening comprehension (like 6:50).
Also the example at 8:03 where the cloud is speaking very stilted is specifically trying to convey the omnipresence of the cloud. These kinds of theatrical elements are important in language learning to me. When you are able to differentiate between conversational, unnatural, and theatrical speaking and understand the nuances, you've really become fluent.
I’m learning so much, but **wow** Japanese is complex.
Like, I taught myself to read, speak, and understand some Russian, but Japanese is a whole new level of hard.
I’ve gotten to the point that I can start to pick out familiar words in anime (where I hear Japanese most often) and in your videos.
The thing that worries me the most is with conversational flow; so many of the words just flow together for me in a way that I have trouble picking them out.
Then there’s writing! Katakana and hiragana? I’m pretty sure I can learn those relatively easily, but the Kanji…
The Kanji scare me.
10:22 Thats a pretty cute detail I never noticed
In french it is even worst, there's no way you would speak like the "cartoons". I'm trying to picture a person who would speak like the french dub version of Johnny Bravo. It would be hilarious 😅
I highly recommend Ranma 1/2 for the sheer amount of different dialects and speaking mannerisms.
People should go see Matt vs Japan's video on this if they are interested in this subject.
Indeed.
No thank you, he's trash
This actually answered a lot of passive questions I had over the years. Thank you
Fun fact: the crimson demons in Konosuba are actually inspired by teenagers in Japan that act like that
Turned to 11, of course
Your vidoes have helped me learn and understand japanese so much better. The way you explain it really helped me connect the holes in the language i couldn't figure out.
Arigatō
19:00
...So basically this fictional japanese often used only for imitating a flashing out some cardboards of a characters.
Got it.
I like how you feel the need to act out the highlighted lines on screen. Extra points for dedication.
Now you've made me curious about other fictional characters. Do characters in movies, jdramas, and books speak natural Japanese?
7:28 This isint just contractions in English, alot of Cartoon characters or Actors will use less vowel reductions than a real person as well.
For Example, when you contracted “Want to” to “Wanna”, it isn’t just shorter, you also vowel reduced the “oo” sound at the end of “To” to just “uh”. Reducing to “uh” on vowels is pretty common in regular speech in english, but less so in cartoons or Acting.
So people found it weird when one time i yelled “ora ora ora ora ora!” Inside the train when someone stepped on my foot and just shrugged?
You were expecting another random anime frame for the bottom right of the thumbnail, BUT IT WAS I, DIO!!
I’m not going to lie, all I saw was unnatural and my mind immediately thought “The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural”
I wonder how many other languages have the polite speech version. My language, hungarian has it too, we have "te" which is casual "you" towards same age, younger people, friends, family etc. Then we have "maga" which is the more "businesslike you" we address strangers, older people, and people in facilities like teachers, bank workers, lawyers, cashiers etc with it. And the most respectful one is "ön" used for very high ranked people like politicians. Just the other day I actually was wondering about "omae" while watching JoJo. Joseph and Caesar addressed each other as such even after they became friends, but isn't "omae" a rude word? Or is it acceptable between tough guy friends?
Swedish has a casual and formal version of You, but I've only ever heard the formal version used in old news broadcasts or when someone interviews the royal family.
I think, pretty much everything in swedish below speeches from politicians and interviews with royalty is casual. Like we never use the word for Ms, Mr and Mrs (though we do have them) and nobody uses last names, even students and employees just call their teacher/boss by their first name.
We were more formal in the past though, you can see it in old movies and stuff.
@@MsLilly200 I see. We completely form the words and sentences differently with the polite speech, just like the japanese do.
I feel like a lot of this comes down to either fluid storytelling, conveying a characters's personality or a story just not being set in modern day Japan. For example you wouldn't expect characters in a medieval European setting to speak English the same way a modern day person would.
the rick and morty example actually is kinda specific to that show though, and in the example shown the repeated ''were you'' seems like less just making them sound natural and rambly and more so to express surprise
Evangelion + Rick and Morty, Yuta knows his audience haha.
This is the most comprehensive explanation I’ve seen on this topic. Well done, and thank you!
Very interesting, what does happen the other way around? Do they "Japanify" western characters like... certain company did.(4kids, do not google do not summon them)
Cool video. I have an idea: formal and military terms in anime like what you would hear in Gate, black lagoon, jormungand, kantai collection, strike witches or any anime with military focus. That would be cool
Honestly, this is why I enjoy shows where the characters act less like anime characters and more like real life people. It's way mor relatable, and I'm actually able to immerse myself in the show
I really appreciate that you're holding a real life English conversation lesson in this video as well. What a nice educational video !
I think Megumin speaks pretty unnatural even for anime characters.
Yuta: anime voice actors don't repeat words to sound more realistic
Senjougahara: Ara ara, kore wa, kore wa
saki is the CEO of “yare yare” lmaoo
I literally was searching for this video. Thank you! I knew the explanation will be fun and I also learned something. Didn't expect that 😅.
wait, so real life Japanese people don't say "omae wa mou shindeiru"?!
It would have to be a very strange situation to use that phrase
@@charlieueueueueue6578 NANI!?
@@themrchimpie someone would have to be already dead, but then not be dead
I think real life japanese people uses anata instead of omae.
WAIT you mean that japanese people don't shout "YAMEROO!" all the time?
honda from fruits basket speaks very polite japanese, it might be a good starting point for listening without subtitles. i started understanding her after only a few weeks of studying.
I'd really like to hear you talk about wordplay in anime, specifically in something like the Monogatari Series.