Players Are Experiencing Fatigue On Tekken 8
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The heat system and constant 50/50's are beginning to cause player fatigue which is something the Tekken veterans are not used to. This is the first time Tekken is really struggling to retain players for long periods of time due to all of the guessing games. Let me know what you think in the comments section below.
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*Pin this* .. Like the video everyone🥰
Also when are you gonna let me beat your ass on Multiversus MICHAEL🤔
I'm never playing that abysmal, shambolic, diabolical heap of a game.
@@RealMikeHollow All I hear is a whole lotta quacking 🦆
Cornball
You’re not shambolic enough. Sorry
@@RealMikeHollowWhat makes the game so bad? Not trying to defend it or shut down opinions, just curious
"Nobody hates Tekken more than tekken players" - Aris, probably🤷
Nah even casual are getting upset
@@Datdaniel90 It's because casuals dont know character match ups and frame data which make them believe that the game is always about 50/50
tbh with tekken 8 i have more fun just practicing combos than actually playing the game LMAO
Facts when your in the lab Practicing its so peaceful then you get online and its like your being attracked by the fire nation now you're left disheartened and wondering where was the Avatar when you needed him most 😢
@@dontpetentertainment3450the lab gets so boring lol ranked is the fun part of Tekken 8 for me
Same here, spend an hour in the training room and do like 1-2 sets on ranked and I’m exhausted lol
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@@jjba3553Exactly 💯
I aint touching the game again until the defense patch drops.
Same!!
Introducing Heat Breaks🎉🎉🎉
yall still gonna get bodied then complain about something else
@@xRichieeex preach
I stopped playing because I keep on sweating when I play unnecessarily and it just annoys me
Tekken 8 is just not traditional Tekken. Its still fun but it is super aggressive in terms of gameplay and the constant guessing does get annoying. It’s like the MKX of the series. I like to play a variety of games, so there’s only so much time I could dedicate to playing Tekken 8, but perhaps this can change over time if there’s an update for the game that tones things down or changes certain mechanics.
T8 is like fighting king, but every single move is plus and leads to a 50/50 grab scenerio. thats how mentally exhausting it is.
@@ggmasterguiltygear6315 100% it's just MKX at this point
@@squidstemsnot really because at least in this game you have movement, counter hits, armor, and reversal options to avoid 50/50’s
That’s literally not possible in mk x
In that game it’s either guess right or die everytime. The block button and combo breaker are useless
@@versatilelord8893 The only thing MKX lacks is the movement and counter hits. It has armor and reversal options. The block button covers more defensively than holding back to block does. MKX has it's flaws, but some of what you mentioned arent it.
@@smoothsavage2870 with the way strings work in mortal kombat. Mk x specifically fuck to the hell no lol
A block button in a game like that with chaotic strings, and crazy KI/mvc like specials and a dbz fighterz like no neutral playing field you’re literally playing nothing but a dice game
Another thing I forgot to mention in tekken outside of character specific reversals and sabakis it also has low parries. Even Smash has more ways to defend yourself than any mortal kombat lol
This take ain’t it bro
The game just pisses me off. Im not even happy to win, and definitely not happy to lose
When I thought Heat was like Drive Rush... man wss I grossly mistaken. 😂😅
I don’t think you should be playing it 🤣
Correct.
At first i felt like i could play T8 for hours and hours, but after exploring Sf6 for akuma or Strive because of Slayer, coming back to T8 hit me with a wave of exhaustion. This game is a lot more guess heavy and honestly frustrating when you guess wrong, especially when you see the 7th Victor, Dragunov, or Feng in a row. Still fun, but "fatigue" would be an accurate word.
is street fighter better?
drag is not op anymore
@@artofgarduno Try it and make that judgement for yourself.
cry about it. You only guess if you don't know the match up, you don't know frames, and only after getting hit by a heat engager. It's mentally taxing if you try so hard and not practice match up.
@@Daimler690 you sound fat
I was having fatigue within 3 hours because I have a Job.
😂😂😂
@RealMikeHollow if someone ask Me do you workout I should tell them I play Tekken 8.
The sad truth 😩🤣. And i have a backlog of games to get through too.
3hrs!? Hell, I barely get past 30 minutes of Tekken 8.
Right lmao
@@Sanjixoxo delete the game. it's 30 minutes of your day wasted.
I’m good for about a couple hours throughout the week.
@@northernstar5941doing stuff you enjoy is never a waste of time.
for me on day one (went straight into multiplayer) it was 3-5 a day within a couple of months it went to 30 minutes into 1-2 matches, into a straight delete.
I played nonstop after release. Have 200 hours. And after that I just stopped. Winning feels exhausting, losing brings the salt I’ve never felt in any game. The super aggression doesn’t even give a chance to breathe or change your gameplan mid game. I spent more time in T7 just d*cking around, winning losing - I didn’t care, it was still fun.
I’m bad at SF, but I’m enjoying Akuma and new patch.
Currently playing Persona 3 Reload and replaying modern Dooms.
same man, played over 200 hours and got upto Raijin online. But it doesnt feel satisfying anymore. Bandai got greedy with mtx esppecially bringing SAME dlc characters again from t7 (Lidia) and their character balancing is trash (Xaiyuowehfnjk, Drag, Jun, King, Feng etc) i havent played in a month and dont care too much anymore
Same, battle ruler here, it's been like 1-2 months i didnt play it. Hard lab Bryan, devil jin, kazuya, king, i dont have the same feeling that i had in t7 where i really knew when i was progressing. The whole heat shit broke the game, better remove it.
@@danielelia2256 you are right about learning btw. I remember when I played T7 I always found some new cool tech from other players which I could use, now it’s just pray you are not pressed to a wall
Tekken 8 made me consider restarting my Adderall prescription 😭🙏
DUDE I'M
100% WITH YOU ON THAT
Brother I got 2 double dose now 1 30 ant enough 4 me now while playing this
@@georgiedouglas9568 😭😭😭😭
I play worse on adderall. Too much adrenaline, gives me tunnel vision too
Lmao
I got to Tekken King with Yoshimitsu last month and haven’t played since then. Just waiting for big patch bcuz the free pressure and cheese that is currently going on once you reach the higher ranked players in ranked just ain’t fun to constantly play against.
All these auto tracking moves that will teleport hit you and change the direction of the opponent after you sidestepped their attack is so annoying. If a character is attacking in that direction and the player continues the combo string after you successfully sidestepped their attack should make the opponent continue attacking in that direction and should not have them doing 90 degree turns automatically and Lars is one of the biggest culprits of just turning your brain off and pressing buttons and this character will just slide and flip every direction even if you sidestep each attack he will still automatically track your movement.
Facts
The mental stack explanation reminds me a lot of learning something new like a language for example. Its going to seem like a lot at first but after you practice and slowly improve, what seemed so difficult before suddenly becomes second nature. But if everything is just a 5050 you're not learning anything, there is no real room to adapt because you can only guess correct so many times causing the mental stack to stay the same no matter how much time you put in.
I just stopped playing rank at all.
I only started playing a month ago but Im already getting tired of the 50-50's, COMBINED with like you said, you're fighting for points but also the incredibly stupid system of you losing more points against people who are higher/better than you.
Playing casually, with friends etc.. I like tekken. Competitively... this game is dumb as hell
As an old head who grew up playing shooter like socom ghost recon gears and cod competitively once I got to my mid 30s and the game mechanics started pushing back I found myself playing those games less but as someone new to competitive fighting games after about 5 matches or so I can’t go on I thought it was the fact that I me now in my 40s but my nephew and his people who are in they 20s and are legacy tekken players they have pretty much stop playing unless it’s group night citing the same reasons as everyone else in this video
It's those shitty heat engagers. As you say: It forces a 50/50 and some engagers are retarded enough to have armour which makes them much more likely to happen. Soul Calibur VI did this "stop the fight and look at me" crap much better with reversal edge. Because in that game it was a defensive mechanic that could be charged so you potentially could side walk it, plus it had other weaknesses. And even if you got hit, you could always opt out by just pressing block. Heat engager doesn't work because it's an offensive tool rather than defensive. They nerfed defence quite a bit in T8. I remember trying to chicken every time I met characters with reversals, especially Asuka and Jun, only to find out that Harada removed it! The fuck. I thought I forgot how to do it. Had to look it up just to be sure. I was being gaslight by Harada.
T8 is designed to make you fail and fall. Even the way that ranked works: You lose more than you win, it has lose streaks and you don't get more for beating higher ranks (you get the same points from same rank and above). You have no incentive to fight higher ranks because they are more likely to beat you and take all your points, especially with the lose streak. It no wonder there are so many pluggers and one and dones. I find it so baffling that they didn't just copy Tekken 7. It was perfect: You get more from fighting same ranks, and get less from lower and higher ranks. I really want to know the reasons for all these baffling decisions.
In regards to Sparking Zero: That was very hype but it would have been infintely more hype if ssj4 Gogeta crashed the fusion fight at the end. Can't wait.
Fast heat engagers with armor are the stupidest shit. Of course all 3 of the garbage new characters come with them to boot. Victor, Azucena, and Reina are by a mile, the dumbest group of new characters in a fighting game, EVER.
@@datboiskeeter Victor or Azucena and their armoured engagers really are stupid but sadly other characters have them too like Raven, Eddy and Bears 🐻.
However, as a big Reina main and simp, I cannot agree with you in regards to her lol. And just to be factual; Reina doesn't have any armoured engagers.
@@datboiskeeterReina does not have an armored heat engager.
@@Xenoxion maybe it's time that you learn frame data and stop mashing when it is not your turn? Also learn punishment because raven's heat engager with armor is -14
@@Daimler690 I do know frame data, and I do practice to learn. Whether I mass, or what rank I hold has no relevance to this subject.
Something that forces a hard 50/50 or launches you should never have armour. Especially not when not everybody has some. I loathe armoured moves and the only ones I can barely accept are "get off me" moves that merely gives you some breathing space, like a combo breaker or push block.
Heat is responsible for it and it’s not going away because the new producer would have to commit a harakiri to show how sorry and wrong he was adding it
that's fine.
Harakiri! Seppuku!!! LMAO
All they have to do is make you have to build meter or only use it final round
But knowing how easy a 50 year old childs ego bruises, they'll probably double down and add more heat mechanics and armor moves
@@ITRiBUTEI or get rid of rage and power crush
@@junk_bot_man6412 well in a perfect world that would happen, but i proposed something that isn't as far fetched. Do you expected them to take off those mechanics after doubling down?
I feel like another thing is that Tekken has been a series where players can express themselves through gameplay. But because of the more aggressive nature I feel like expression has been stripped away, cause I've had so many matches where people play the characters exactly the same. So it basically becomes repetitive seeing the same play style over and over again
Tekken characters had personality...some were good at defending...others attacking...others more keep out etc etc....T8 forces all of them to keep attacking...even if they don't have the exact moveset for it.
This nails is. Everyone plays the same, which is unga-bunga rush down, because we are forced to play that way.
That gets pretty boring, pretty fast.
In the past what made Tekken interesting was being surprised by how people play, and learning how to adapt and overcome someone's individual play style.
You guys can literally say the same about MK1 and SF6 literally every fighting game ever has people who spam strings and combos lol. Just stop playing fighting at that point or play them for offline play like the story, arcade pen ghost battles. If I’m being honest I had more fun in rank tekken 8 matches then I did in tk8 quick matches lol. And ghost battle pretty fun but also dumb cause AI always hit strings too but at least it’ll help you get better learning the combo strings and setups some players use.
@darklord9581 I'm gonna have to disagree. In the MK and SF franchises, it felt like characters were made to be played in certain ways like the zoners, pokers, grapplers, etc. But in the Tekken franchise, I always felt like there was more creativity with how you can play certain characters or how you approach characters in the matches. That's why I feel like Tekken 8 takes that away because now it forces you to be more aggressive, which adds more limitations with how you want to play your character.
@@darklord9581difference between sf, mk and Tekken is that Tekken characters are closer to each other, and their large movesets never forced you into a certain playstyle
Jin in t7 was a defensive god, but could be played aggressively because he still was a Mishima, so you could either play footsies and whiff/parry punish, or CH for huge combo.
Or you could play aggressively, mix Mishima tools with Jin's defensive tools for a playstyle that doesn't let your enemy breathe
Now Jin in T8 effectively can be played only aggressively, he has a lot of bs, a lot of forced 50/50, godlike oki, they nerfed his defense and made him streamlined and single minded to play.
That's what players are mad about, our characters got fucked and turned into the zombie single braincell rushdown playstyle.
Sf6 has a character for every playstyle
Tekken always let you make your playstyle work with most of the characters, but now it's all gone to shit
yea heat takes all the fun. the heat turn on button is ruining all pase in game. im new to tekken, whenever ppl complained about it in the beginning i didnt get it. the more i play it, the more it annoys me. matches are fun until someone presses heat
i still enjoy it and play alot, now more than ever cause i feel like im getting somewhere skill wise. i feel like i actually fight, it's amazing. just heat takes all of that away for a lot of the cast (devil jin is a good example). i play a friend of mine a lot, dvj player. the matches are hype and back and forth until he hits heat and even after they nerfed psychocrusher, its not as easy to sidestep as other heats, it still feels fast, the mixup after it annoying... idk. i wouldn't be mad if they removed heat all together, rage art is enough
Being new to tekken and hating heat is kind of a surprise I hated rage arts with a passion hardly used it in t7, but I love this version of t8 always been an aggressive fighter and defensive and t7 players are feeling it worse, I’m sore old tekken players don’t even care that much about the change besides the new characters
Glad im not alone, but for a different reason. Its not the constant 50/50s and rushdown for me, because I played MvC and MKX which is worse. Its the limited playstyle. You are FORCED to play that way, and every match feels the same. Its just, "okay he is gonna run a 50/50 and gimmick, let me figure it out, oh the set is over and I probably wont fight him again, time to do the same next match". Im only 27 and can run a raid in an mmo for 12-14 hours a day but I cant be on Tekken for more than 2 hours a week. GOD I MISS SOULCALIBUR
I'd still be playing Soul Calibur if it wasn't impossible to find people to play with. And I felt this way back in 2019
@@theaterhobo 300% agree. It's my favorite 3d fighter. Wish SC,DOA, and VF would make a comeback
Soul Caliber is way better than Tekken!
I think the developers are stuck. If they remove heat, it will really feel like T7.5, and a copy and paste from game to game, then ppl will complain that it's the same old thing. But if they add new things (heat) ppl will STILL complain.
They're stuck. Ppl will complain regardless.
However.....the heat is worth complaining about. It needs toning down a tad, esp the chip damage. I can understand why they put new flashy mechanics in the game (from a viewers perspective). Seeing high level players just backdash away from each other, and use df1 200 times per match can be boring for viewers, I get that. Also Harada noticed his game was never as popular, or exciting to watch, as mk and sf as there was no flashy heat/rage mechanics, so he put that in the game. Heat is fine, just tone it down.
I feel the fix for the heat issue is either:
1) take out chip damage so even if you are blocking forever, you're not punished for it. Its tough having to guess 50 50s time and time again WHILE being punished for blocking with chip.
Or 2) buff backdash, side step, and be able to parry heat moves etc.
Or both 1 and 2.
What a valid point yeah I agree 100%. Also they should remove chip damage at the very LEAST. I’m focusing on defending from getting bombarded with a million attacks then when I look up at my health I’ve lost half my health from only chip damage
@@WydLux Exactly
And then if you are unsuccessful at hitting them back after their strings from heat has stripped your whole life bar to regain your health from loss from chip damage, you lose the round lol. It's too much. I believe that is the main cause of the stress in t8. Blocking for ages is cool. We are use to it from dealing with defending against hwoarang for all these years in previous tekkens. But the chip is a big problem. Remove it completely, I say.
I don't think it would feel like 7.5 at all. So many characters have different moves and mechanics to the point where they're completely different from 7. But yeahh pleaasee get chip damage outta there.
Whats the problem with Tekken 7.5? Counter Strike is the same every release and that's what people want.
I'd rather play T7.5 than this. Im all for creativity and new ideas but when a game has a life time of like 7 years then I think they should have not diverged from the core gameplay that much.
Heat belonged in a spin off if they want to give that a shot.
I don't play this game, but just watching tourneys, seeing a + move, into heat burst, into heat dash at the wall, into a 50/50 like, when do you get to play the game as the defender? It looks mad tiring lmao.
Harada can fix T8 easily with a vanilla mode (no heat). And possibly even a tag battle mode. Thoughts? Please make it a talking point.
THANK GOD PEOPLE ARE SAYING SOMETHING, I could play tekken 6, tag 2, and 7 for hours
Clean Tekken. Something I noticed watching combo Breaker this weekend, the commentary would say "it's just clean Tekken now" after both players used there heat bars.
I noticed that as well. Pretty telling tbh.
Is it just me or playing ""just" 5 hours in any game is kinda asking for fatigue? How people are even having so ,uch free time anyway? Well ofcourse damn 10-15 years ago people were playing for much longer time while being in school and having parents do most of heavy lifting. What age are those "fatigued from mechanics" players are? 30? Bet they have some responsibilities outside from tekken to keep real life in order. Some people dont ever realize how much mental energy it require.
agreed.
i'm only 30 but i can't play more than an hour on a day, then i just end up not playing for an entire week or two.
i had close to 200 hours three months ago, now i'm at 212 or something.
i don't see myself playing more.
You just following the trend I bet you was raving on release and in two months you’ll be a sheep for something else’s
yeah sure, you seem to know me really well
I've been playing since T2. After a few hours of T8 I was done. I knew where it was going. Went back to T7 with zero, repeat, zero fatigue. I'll come back when it's fixed.
I only play Tekken once a week since launch and it’s been refreshing sometimes… I’m constantly reminded on why I play it once a week. The heat feature is braindead and blocking is completely nonexistent.
I have an 200 game backlog with Genshin and sometimes I don’t have time for Tekken 8. Hopefully, patches come and fixes my personal issues
This is me with Tekken 8. I try to find time for it, but i also have a job and other hobbies. I wanted to get into SF6, MK1, Tekken, Melty Blood, KOF15 and Strive, but at this point i feel like more than 1 is too much.
I watch people like Kizzy K, Justin Wong, Smug, Sonic Fox and Punk play all of these fighting games and be better than the average player most of the time in all of them thinking that i can do the same.
I have come to the realization that i'm 34 with a full time job and other hobbies and a backlog of other games that dont feel like a chore to play. When i say "chore" that's not a shot at T8, that's how im starting to feel about FGs in general because you have to lab, then get better through playing against other players, rinse and repeat.
I feel like the faster load times also contributes as a factor with fatigue. In Tekken 7, I could rest for a min or 2 while waiting for the match/rematch but in Tekken 8 my mind is constantly thinking as matches loads up fast af. And then you're already back in it thinking again about your gameplay/guessing game. At least in Tekken 7 there's a down time in between matches.
Thank the community for that one. Faster load times between matches were widely requested.
@@Someone_Somewhere7yea and now this guy saying he couldnt hold his breathe for two matches?
Must be rough cause i aint never that problem
@@i3ssb00st5 A few matches isn't a problem. Playing straight for an hour or two does especially non-stop. I tire more easily than I did in T7. Not to mention the level of play I play with.
As someone w a potato pc i still have the tekken 7 ahh loadtime on tekken 8 so i can play for about 6 hours in a day
I don't want to go back to slow load times. Those were terrible in 7 😂
Tekken 8 needs to make a drastic shift back to the defensive meta. Its always what Tekken was good at and what made Tekken great, I can't stand the greedy mentality on namco, thinking that adding a spam meta will make them more money in the e-sports scene and the game. News flash Namco, the casual players are gone, the dedicated players are the only ones left playing and the e-sports scene has never been this lacking in skill expression and because of it so boring to watch. The pace needs to be decided by the player, not namcos bs.
I stopped because of heat after the first month, been a avid tekken fan since t5 got serious in ttt2 and really became the gaming love of my life during T7. The movement and control in T7 was awesome, sure there where some bullsht characters in there. But the legacy match ups where enchanting could play for hours win or lose. But now it's just a flowchart game when you pop heat and force a 50/50 with no effort. I still watch the game here and there but never feel like I'm missing out on anything. I think the only thing the game does better than 7 is visuals and combo mechanics, the rest is tekken 7 all the way, just hoping T7 is gonna be a game like third strike and get a dedicated community going again
Nope not age , im 24 and feel the same way . Thats why when i win i feel like its luck and just won the lottery. Feels more luck than skill
Facts this my first tekken I’ll beat a tekken king ,Rajin some along those lines and be thinking man i just robbed him(I’m only a Fujin) then get scrapped by a tenreyu that’s just pressing anything
T8 just isn’t as fun at a high level compared to T7, they’ve catered the game too much for new players. It kinda seems like Bandai Namco have forgotten who made Tekken successful in the first place.
I mean, 3 to 5 hours is a lottttttt. That's not the normal game time for any human, and we're all getting old so it's natural fatigue. Gotta do other things other than Tekken 8 to keep it fresh
I love the game. Learn how to play
Nah, T8 is not better than T7 obviously
Nah Can only play this for like 2 hours max but can play other fighters for 6 or so.
@ligmasphere901 what fighter can u play for 6 hrs please enlighten me
@@sayedomairsiam6344thats because t7 an older game right?
No fighting game is perfect OR meant to be played for hours on end even if you can. The way players approach these games has a lot to do with how they are perceived and sometimes I feel it just isn't fair to the game. People still insist Kameos should function like assists even though they clearly aren't, they're more like strikers from KOF99 tbh but popular opinion rules all. I really feel like this "issue" could be resolved with a little self reflection by the competitive scene as a whole.
True, no game is perfect, however, in the arcades people were there for hours. Whether it was lining up to watching, everyone was locked in. I don't think fighting games were designed with a play time in mind. It just depends on how gripping the game is.
Game is either fun or not fun, you can write a whole wall of cope but if players are leaving then something needs change
This might sound contradictory to some, but this is what happens when you spend too much time online. Let’s be real, 99% of us aren’t pro players and will never play at events like Combo Breaker and Evo etc.
What use is an online title going to do for you anyway? I think players need to take a break from Tekken. Play something else or do something else in the meantime.
I 100% agree, for me fgs are like the perfect way to bridge the gap between other games I like to really spend time on (some of my favorites being stuff like Doom and Sekiro). T8 is some of the most fun I've had with a game in a long time, and while I like to grind and improve, I make sure to remind myself that the game will always be there. I see it as an instrument I can get better at over time, but I also know a lot of other people don't see it like that 😅
@@atlas1215 I think the problem is that people play too many games that require ‘work’ or ‘effort’ to the point the game doesn’t *feel* fun to play. Me for example, I’ll play games that help to relax me. Just today I connected my old SNES and played some classic games. Not saying Tekken isn’t enjoyable, but don’t be afraid to take a break from it and come back to it later.
Personally I find the Zelda series and Uncharted as games that help me relax and de stress once in a while.
@@songoku9348 I get that. Most of the time I tend to gravitate towards games that can be challenging so I find T8 less frustrating. That being said, I started playing Outer Wilds recently and also finished Metro Exodus. Even though I do enjoy it, if I spent the majority of my time on tekken I would probably go crazy.
Playing Kazuya for over 2 hours is torture.
Sounds like it 😂
Confirmed, I'm a Kazuya main 😂
Facts i “think” ima tekken main 😅
Tekken always operated on "rule of three". The aggressor have decided their attack and you have almost always had three ways of dealing with it. Some attacks were good against one of these three ways, some might additionally be ok against second, but you've always had at least one sure way to counter offensive option. Same goes for countering defensive options in reverse, making for engaging gameplay with little to no "checkmate" situations.
Heat breaks this, because it leaves you with no choice but to guess 50/50, after which most of the attackers are plus so you get to guess 50/50 again! And your reward for guessing right is mostly a measily attempt to take back your turn. If I wanted to flip a coin I'd go to a casino, not a fighting game.
Yeah it's really taxing to play sometimes. Very often I come online, feeling like "aww yeah time to play some tekken", and after my first opponent I already had enough. Everyone seems to play the same. Safe/plus on block counter-hit mids into 50/50s. As you said, I hate guessing, and I'm a goddamn Kazuya main. But I don't want to mindlessly attack all the time. I want to use movement/blocking and then punish with electrics. But ducking? With all these safe mid launchers? Stand blocking? With all these knockdown-lows into guaranteed follow-up plus oki? Sidestepping? I have been *behind* people and still get clipped by the third hit of some BS string. It just feels like I'm having to play at my absolute best all the time and my opponent is just facerolling his controller.
Oh and the trailer looked hype, but I'm very afraid they'll screw up the game with monetization. Like they did in T8.
People just don’t want to admit that the game is in a bad state as far as balancing (other bs too honestly)
The only fatigue I feel is in my hands after playing for so long lol
one time my rigth thumb felt so heavy that i couldnt press the buttons fast enough , i didnt play tekken the next day
Haven't played since april 2nd....Says enough...
It's just the mechanics...people can say what they want about adapting and bla bla...
I'm not that good of a player...absolutely not...but T8 is based on luck...not skill...
I remember somebody saying in another T8 video comment section...
"Harada & Murray designed T8 to be faster and thus look nice on stream cause there is always engagement..."
I totally agree with that statement...You are forced to keep rushing...attacking...
To be fair it does look lame in streaming too. You really got to be a non-FGs player to be hyped up by it
@@rewindex3062 but that's just it...Thete are a lot of people out there who are more familiar with street fighter thus fireballs..flashy moves etc etc...I saw somebody asking where fireballs etc etc were in Tekken...So Tekken was a little bit designed with that in mind to attract new people..
For me i only feel the fatigue when it comes to stakes like ranked. when its just friends i can play really long sets easily cuz im just having fun. BUT the second im in ranked my brain feels overwhelmed with a plethora of knowledge checks, specific playstyles, character matchups, frame data, etc. im not joking when i say this but when i promote i dont want to play the game anymore, it actually feels relieving to be in demotion matches because i dont feel the stress of dealing with all the Tekken 8 "Stuff".
I blame a lot of this feature bloat on Bamco putting too many cooks in the kitchen for the dev team. If you import a bunch of devs whose main expertise is 2d fighters with 12 different super gauges you're gonna end up with a more spastic game in the end. Not to mention a lot of the higher ups encouraging them as well.
I don't share the feeling at all. Granted, I don't play the game on a daily basis. Sometimes I skip a day or 2, but when I play I do so for like 5 hours straight and wanting more.
I agree took a break after hittin fujin 2 months ago came back and having a blast
Noobs will still defend this game till death though, just bc they now have 50% chance of winning against better players if before they had way less than that
i haven't touched the game online till today, then im immediately reminded why i stopped. When i rant about this and say the game is not fun right now. I get shit on for being a Tenryu. If im having this issue now, Imagine if i got to Fujin or higher. even when i play with my cousin. it's only like 5 matches. 15 the max. I do agree that the guess work is too much. I don't mind the aggressive path,it's just im tired of people getting free wins because of rage art while I'm still in the middle of my string or getting immediately stopped by Heat. I think heat needs to be reworked so it requires more thought than Hit heat,heat burst, your turn repeat.
Oppression 8: Heatburst Heatsmash edition
“MASHEN 8 heat armor engaged” 🤣🤣🤣
i cant say im tired of T8 the reason being i dont have it TWT
I knew I wasn't crazy. I dropped the game 2 months ago. The game got too tiresome too fast. Aggression is too easy, and defense is almost pointless. Even when I win, I'm not satisfied. Heat is reversal edge 2.0, and RE is one of the most obnoxious things in any FG. The only thing that kept me playing was "Eddy," but he is a totally different character now, so... I wish they would remaster the old games. T8 is still fun, just not in the same way.
Yep. If you're on the defensive in Tekken 8, you're losing the game.
yup. other fighting games rn are just way more fun for some reason to me
Yeah age has nothing to do with Tekken 8 fatigue, cos’ it’s not there in Tekken 7 now or in SF6😂
I’m glad you brought this topic
When defending in this game you take as much damage in chip or more than if you were to get hit by a launcher.
There is no reward for good defense. Instead you have to be mentally aware of any opportunity to interrupt your opponent's offense or take a risk mid flowchart.
Yea I’m off the game when I was playing a lot. Heat burst, heat smash, armour attacks, tracking throws. When someone gets a combo on you it feels like it’s over when they are good player. Defence needs work.
I believe the new patch will help to solve t8s heat issue (the patch where they'll buff Defense, like side stepping etc). When is this patch coming out??
Sometime in June apparently.
@@RealMikeHollow Ok good. Thanks for the info.
So NOW tekken 8 aggression is a problem. After all the shills were defending it mid closed promo beta. This is the irony.
you must not be on twitter bcuz EVERYONE HAS BEEN COMPLAINING about the aggression
@MoeMunnie023 yeah? I find that hard to believe since the same people complaining about it now were the people meat munching Murray and Harada
Foxy cameo
@@NotMattMurdock W
?? That’s literally all we saw was “heat system is bad. Tekken 7 is better. To much guessing. Casino game.”
Heat definitely needs to be toned down but, What does it for me is the endless juggles. Some characters have moves where everything ends in a juggle and next thing you know you’re carried to the other end of the stage, it’s so annoying
Same, and you can't do anything about it either once you hit that wall.
@@Staylor8611 Hell, even at the wall they added bounds, so you the juggling can continue.😂😂
I just go on to the phone the minute i see im in the air. I just hit purple ranks with jin, ima take a break from online and practice as well as play with my friends. This game is reaaalllyyyy making me miss treasure match.
@@liamroma3677I just go to the bathroom 🚽
Never liked the SCRUB, i mean the Heat mechanic since the beginning. I think if Heat is not available on the start up and have a meter system where it fills by attack and blocking would be a better idea. Also the chip damage needs to go completely. My session in T7 was way longer like up to 8 hrs and In T8 couldn't even go beyond 3 and now not even an hour.
Normally, people rotate games. 3-5 hours is a lot, weird people complain about constantly playing when you aren't supposed to no life these games and play the same game for hours no lifing.
To play Tekken 8 you literally have to turn your brain off and spam back. Like you said, no reward, no learning at all
remember: A game that focuses on fishing for a juggle, then some souper douper aerial clown tricks as some follow through is going to cause one person to just sit there and do nothing about it, while the other is doing all the work. This is why I avoided most fighting games. There's essentially no weight to the characters or some counter-measures when u get juggled upon.
I'm confused about this topic. Are we talking about how the game is, or is this just individual players saying they can't play this game for a long time?
About how the game is and what's causing more people to turn it off. Retention is low right now so it's a conversation worth having.
I feel like an abused dog playing T8. I cannot play tekken for more than an hour, maybe two.
Also the systems allow players to rush with minimal consequences. Which in my opinion expedites the feeling of exhaustion.
Hot take: Rage and heat need to be intertwined. If you use one, you shouldn’t be able to use the other. Kinda like how rage worked in 7. Either extend your combo or get a super off. They shouldn’t be separate entities. Still allowing players to go into heat but once that heat smash is used, you won’t get rage bonus when it comes up. Also if a heat dash move is blocked, that shit shouldn’t be safe lmao
FATE made the same kinda video earlier today. I think y’all still work together
You're sipping that cool aid now 😂
“Don’t ask me for shit”
-Harada
After watching Knee’s Bryan get swept by 1 move from Victor…it told me all I needed to know…(knee)Bryan is old tekken. Victor is new tekken
(1 button mash & dash➡️➡️)
It s also the first to two format i think. In T7 you'd deathmatch someone if you lost a couple of times then you'd start to learn their style and win a couple of times and that could go on for hours. A bond is created with your opponent and you start having real fun because you notice yourself learning in real time. Now the first to two is like watching TikToks or Reels you get tired of thr constant in opponents. Learning the game comes at much slower pace than this and so rushing opponents tires you kuch faster I feel.
Yeah I’m maxing out an hour or so whenever I play T8 I can’t handle the yo-yo effect between win/loss streaks. It can be very frustrating add the glitches I’m just drained by the end of my sessions 😂
Wow man, ive never been able to play tekken for 3 hours straight. 😂
How did it take so long for people to realize this. I've been free from this casino simulator for a couple of moths. Put it in the trash where it belongs and say farewell to the franchise for a good bit.
I think most people realised on day 1 tbh, but we're approaching the large patch so a lot of people are hoping they fix the defensive options.
@@RealMikeHollowat the beginning of the vid you mention feelings, in my case it was a gut feeling which led me to realise something is very wrong once flowcharting started to pick up. Now its just a conveyour belt of moves and on top of that the game has extra strong strings. Nah, not worth it, its not tekken, fells to simulated. Something similair that happened with cod when they started to fiddle with matchmaking and connection benefits. CNS was already quite stressed while playing tekken this just is eff it.
Everyone's been grinding the hell out of the game since launch; could that be the reason for the burn out? And with so many resources to help improve, you're forced to either get good, or get out of the way. You got people out here buying coaching for a game that's been out like 3 months!
The game is also constantly chaging, so lines like "if something doesn't change blah blah blah" are silly. They're constantly working to improve the game, but it's the players impatience that's ruining the experience. Y'all need to chill and let the game breathe. Like, damn.
4 months now, actually.
And I agree with this.
Not a bad take
Well it’s shit rn
The game was released unfinished, so i wont be patient
@@VarsityAthlete04 In what way do you mean it was "unfinished"?
I thought this was just me. I could play T7 for hours, no problem. I play this game wayyy less. I have not touched this game in a week. I played T7 just about every day.
I dont think the constant 50/50 is the issue because mkx was 50/50 city and its the most fun fighting game I ever played.
Its the constant 50 50 combined with the other oppressive properties of heat like heat smashes being plus on block, and a lot of times they get chip damage even if you guess the 50 50 correctly
It’s cause the balancing is mediocre. In tekken 8 some characters are still playing tekken 7 . Some are playing tekken 7.5 and the S tiers are actually playing tekken 8 .
@@miles6120 fax it took me a couple weeks to get my Bryan to blue ranks and it feels miserable gaining nothing from his heat and getting pressured by everyone else’s.
Yea but Mkx was perfectly balanced and gave you the chance to take your turn.
It's a totally different game. The pressure in MvC2 would not translate to Tekken. What works for one game won't necessarily work for another.
I KNEW I wasn't alone in thinking t8 feels extremely 1 note and repetitive. It's still fun to play but u can't honestly deny that majority of players love to spam the same old flowchart and ez to abuse moves.
Yeah, I think if they nerfed the moves that are heavily abused, it'll encourage players to get more creative.
it's been a couple of weeks since I've played Tekken 8. I kind of got burnt out on the heat/rush down gameplay. I've been playing the crap out of Dave the Diver.
Additionally, my anticipation for Elden Ring DLC and NCAA Football might just eat up my time when they drop and I may never really move back to Tekken 8.
I call this game Heat 8 lol. Still enjoy it though.
I disagree with ALL the comments on this thread and this video in general.
In Africa, and at least in my country Nigeria, we play this game for 3-4hrs straight, which is a long time. The HEAT system is genius, and we pray it stays in future titles.
If those peeps on Twitter (which I think it's a small number) understand that Tekken still maintains it's original move set, while introducing NEW fighting mechanics, then they will appreciate the game better.
For many folks I know, Tekken 8 is interesting and people play it for HOURS.
You think it's genius because you're african? What's genius about it? What's genius about homing moves you cannot sidestep? What's genius about moves forcing you into HEAT?
@@AaIsForAaliyasBrother said nothing about heat being genius because he's African. If you had comprehension skills you'd know he's simply saying that the playerbase in Africa have a different mindset, appreciating heat as a new mechanic to work with. Sarcastic af with bro for no reason 😂
@@Jamal.O You deserve a chilled bottle of Champagne. Thank you, I couldn't have said this better 🤣
I'm glad you're enjoying it. Genius isn't a word I'd attribute to a system that forces you to do things though. Fun? Sure. That's subjective. Streamlined? Definitely. Genius? Definitely not.
The max I play is 30-45 minutes it's mentally exhausting to stay sharp
The conversation now needs to be how to make t8 better.. I say take out armor moves that’s the dumbest mechanic
You shouldn't just want to play tekken constantly. You'll say 3 hours like it's some short time period. The game is the game and it ain't changing. You may get some adjustments but I like tekken so I'm going to adjust. I'm having fun but I definitely don't have the time to play for more than 3 hours. I've got single player games to get through. Hell my friends and I Play through rocket league in helldivers. I play tekken A few times a day to keep my skills up and going to ranked on the weekend. Spread your video game love around people. You can drop the game in protest and it'll just affect How long the game last and how much money they have to make the next.
I understand what everyone is saying but as a newcomer to Tekken, this is a fun-ass mothafuckin game. I literally have more hours in T8 than Cyberpunk 2077. My biggest obstacle is anxiety. I play pretty good until the stress takes over lol.
Do you get anxiety because your scared of losing, or maybe people judging you?
@@superj7771 I'm an only child and competitive gaming makes me "nervous" for lack of a better term. Last few times I played online I actually did decent though! Just have to get past that anxiety barrier to do my best and it can be hard for me.
@@JorgeMartinez-dp3im There's just something about jumping into online on a fighting game and not being able to do it right away. Once you do, it actually feels like a rush when you get passed the first match. I remember when all I did was practice in FighterZ but never really played the game until much later.
You know I didn't even realize it but I haven't been playing tekken for as long as I usually would. I didn't even like Tekken 7 but I played it for hours lol. Tekken 8 I've actually limited myself to 5 matches per character. I'm not even using my main, just picking characters, playing 5 matches with them, after I use about 3 characters I'm like ok I'm done. That feeling of one more game isn't strong at all.
I literally felt my frontal lobe hurting today playing the game.. it’s too much. Things need to be taken out
i'll drop the game for 3 weeks at a time. Play again, rank up a few times within 2-3 days then drop the game again. Sitting at blue ranks and just missing T7. Just feel super understimulated and fatigued simultaneously.
I still hate the heat system, it just isn't meant for tekken IMO
Took a break for about 2 months when Dragon's Dogma 2 came out. Haven't played til earlier this week and been playing around 1-2 hours. Fatigue kicks in fr
I play tekken 7 and tekken 7 is honestly not fun to play. Tekken feels like an extreme chore to play. Even if i win a game, i did not have fun. The game's mechanics are very exhausting to play through.
Tekken 8 ruined my life
Hell yeah
Ive been patiently wait for the next patch in 2 days and winning doesn't feel good just mindless mashing or else your gonna get chipped out to death and i play steve only steve so i have to woooork like crazy
I felt the same way playing SFV last generation, and now I'm seeing it with Tekken 8 and Street Fighter 6
Tekken 8 is my first fighting game, and every time I play it, I get really anxious and tired and can only play online for like an hour tops. Most of my time is spent in the lab. I thought maybe it's because I'm new to Tekken and you always have to go through a lot of knowledge checks and lose a lot at first, but it doesn't seem like that's the only problem, and even experienced players feel this way too.
It’s too much monkey play style. People just pressing buttons and getting away with it. Less defensive options as well. And power crushing heat engagers
They buffed and added all the mechanics that stop the game. I feel like I'm more watching the game then playing it.
Guess, guess, throw, launch...
*Tekken 8 has a problem because there is less fighting.*
They broke the balance of fun. I'd rather play tekken 7, it had some problems but it was still fun.
i thought i was the only one feeling this, turns out its like half of the tekken community
the games heat mechanic is just a big glowing bee that allows you to lose focus on the real issues with the game,
though smaller and subtle completely make the game feel like utter trash.
all combat games are defined by
How you can defend against an imposing target
how you can assault a opposing target
and most importantly how you can move away or towards a target you wish to impose upon or oppose against, your movement will sadly grid lock the entire design of the game and fun the game will be to play; every mechanic and system really is a minor or major re imagining of how you defend assault or move towards a goal.
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Ukemi's, combo break/escape, jump dodging, backstep, crouching, running dashing, side stepping etc are movement focused goals
parries, push blocks, block, barriers, grab breaking, etc are all defensive manners of opposing a target.
combos, skills/special, cancels, assists, grabs, commmand grabs, ultimates, extensions, guard breaks, etc etc are all ways to assult a target.
really ask yourself when playing tekken 8 how many of these options or many others you can think of are available to you how balaanced is the cycle of movement assault defense in tekken 8
and the worst crime you can employ upon a player in a fighting game is to remove all agency and control in a match, ask yourself how much control you feel you have to move away or towards a target, assault a target in a way you want to, or how well you can defend against anything imposed upon you.
thats the real reason why everyone cant stand tekken 8
Just some food for thought for the upcoming greatest game dev to ever life decimate the industry lmao
The game has its moments yeah but this game sometimes. Also the plugging is still a problem, it’s not as bad as before at least for me but when you have only an hour to play and ppl plug u just lose the urge to play
One of the sin things I liked about Tekken is it was based on real martial arts. Some of the super moves in the game do take me out of it. I agree with you on this point sir.
Fuck tekken 8 play dead or alive 5
I can win against someone 3-0 and still be stressed out. your focus got to be at max level to play T8 i feel. (at least on ranked online )
I get exhausted when I get steam rolled, I don't feel too great when I steam roll another player. There are a small percentage of good games in between but most of the time the games exhausting and not as fun.
I been playing since first tekken
Tekken 8 is trash pure trash it’s just to grab new players
Vets know what I’m talking about
They made it easier for new players like df
Tekken 5 DR and tekken tag 2 are by far best
Also 3-4
7 is better than 8
Hell 6 feels better to a degree