How I Replaced my Power Line from Overhead to Underground
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- On this episode of, “My Retired Life”, I have my overhead power line cut down and a show how I put a new wire underground.
#DIY #Powerline #Electrical #Ditch #Meter Box #Conduit
The algorithm brought me. That straight as an arrow trench kept me here! 😂
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Before I installed my meter socket 40 years ago I removed the guts and spray painted Rustolium primer and three coats of glossy white Rustolium paint inside & on outside. Still looks good after all these years.
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Nice job. In my area the inspector tell us we must install an expansion fitting to compensate for ground settlement. Up north we have a 100 degree temperature spread from winter to summer so that works out that outdoor PVC conduit will expand 4" for every 100 feet. Even though you have a plain sight of underground conduit I always install yellow caution tape maybe a foot above the conduit to warn future diggers.
Thanks for the comment. Maybe I didn't show it well enough, but I put in an expansion joint.
@@stephenmoore-chiefqc75 he means middle of the trench. that PVC will pull itself apart in the winter with how much it can shrink.
I have used a grocery bag tied to a pull string with a vacuum to get the pull string through the conduit. Works a treat.
New service looks nice. Never have been a fan of overhead power lines.
Thanks for the comment. Yes, I am sure there are many ways to get the job done. I do like your way.
@@stephenmoore-chiefqc75 I concur with his opinion. I learned one or two things during my decade with the Evil Empire (Bell).
I’ve done the plastic bag method also. Works great every time.
I work in the electric department in my city, and we provide the pipe, underground wire, and the meter base. We also do all the work from digging the trench, putting down the pipe, running the wire, and hooking the primary wire in the meter base. We only charge the customer for the pipe, and everything else is free of charge. We tie a string to a plastic bag (witch we call a rat) and use an air compressor to blow the string through the pipe. We use 2 inch pipe.
Thanks for the comment, AEP, gave me instructions on what I was to do and pay for, so that is what I did
@stephenmoore-chiefqc75 I understand. I do know if anyone lives out the city limits, they have to do what you had to do cause of contractors. Everyone is different and have their own policies. Awesome video, by the way.
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Which city is that? Or at least the state? I'm in northern Ohio and here the power company charges several hundred dollars to run new overhead wires when a customer wants to upgrade from 100 amp service to 200 amp service. They do not do the underground wires. I've had contractors give me ballpark figures of around $5,000 for a job a little more involved than shown here.
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You dug a damn straight trench 😂
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Nice work done there, you make it look easy
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This mad man walking around without shoes lol
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One - call before you dig.......
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Thank you for supporting the Gay ,and Lesbian community with the purchase of that John Deere tractor .
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@@HBSuccess John Deere has been supporting Gay and Lesbian Drag shows for your children ,but they didn’t want you to know .
4:10 That's a nice compact tractor!!!
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In the UK we have to mark above power cables, telecom, water, gas ect with warning tape.
So that anyone digging near the cable ect, that there is a cable near buy.
In the most of the UK most local power and telecommunications are buried.
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You have some good toys, i enjoyed your video. I hope Beryl did not hurt u. Thanks.
Thanks for the comment. Beryl was too far east as it went by, just a 15-minute shower with some 35 to 40 mile an hour winds
The good old boys at work.
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Way to go everyone. Makes so much sense.
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Barefoot in the shop!? Excited about conduit and cables!? You're my kind of people. i have not worked with such a large diamter pipe but, the 2" i did do it pushed back out because pipes are tappered, supposedly you are supposed to hold it fora few minutes after gluing. you also may have edited the footage to save us the wait.
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i like the cut of your jib, sir. subscribed! also as i saw someone else say: that is an impressively straight trench, holy crap!
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Good to have a friend.
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When did you call One Call to mark your underground utilities before digging?
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Well, first time seeing a power line put in. First time seeing a power line in a plastic pipe. In our area (Chicago area, frost line is 42” deep) they just bury it in the ground. Here they do not allow you to do anything. The power company puts in the power line to their distribution points and then when it’s required they come out and put it into the home, etc., they supply everything and install everything.
I contracted a tract home in a subdivision 20 years ago. When they were building my home, I kept pretty close to all subcontractors, the superintendent told me I could make some changes if I paid the subs cash, so I did. The plumber did some things (extra faucet in the master shower, hot and cold frost proof faucets in the garage, refrigerator water line, mudroom laundry tub, 2….3” pvc access pipes from attic to basement, and a washroom rough-in, in the basement), all this for $1100. I also added a zig zag in the foundation for a fireplace (including structure for building). Deck board on outside wall. Rough-in for and installation of a whole house fan. Closet wall and expansion. We also added features we couldn’t do later like a full/deeper basement, lofted ceiling in entry/family room, and a 3 car garage. I was there at every step of the building process. I was there when they ran the water and sewer pipe to the home, and got them to run it in where I wanted it.
However, I was not there when they ran the power line to the home, big mistake on my part. The home has a 20’ set back from the sidewalk in the front and a 5’ easement around the other 3 sides for the utilities. So you would assume that’s where they go, right? The gas line is in the front of the home and the shortest distance is run, they don’t use the easement. The electric company does the same thing. They actually cut straight across my backyard, right where my deck is to go. When a contractor was digging the first hole for the 13 piers for the deck, he cut the phone and power line (yes Julie was called, everything was marked), eventhough the markers showed he was ok? Next time I will be there to make sure they go around my expected project. Comments….
Wow, thanks for the comment, I'm not sure we even have a frost line here. I have gone through several winters without it even getting below freezing, much less effecting below ground. The power company gave me a set of instructions for my part, and they did their part. The inspector for the power company looked at everything up to the meter. After that, no inspector is required. I am out of the city limits.
Wow that trench is beautifully straight
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What a lovely video thanks for sharing from uk 😀
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The next time I need to dig a straight trench, I'm calling you. Damn.
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What a cute little toy tractor!
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Better than no tractor, thought it was nice… lol, cuz I have no tractor🙁
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@@stephenmoore-chiefqc75 Speaking as an electrician for the last 50 years or so, I'd say you did a very good job of installing your new service feed. I appreciate you posting the video, as I am sure that it will be both enlightening and entertaining for many TH-cam viewers. Thanks again. Have a great day!
@@rikityrik I have dug in service feeds by hand, using a trenching shovel, in the hot Florida sun in the summer time. Not fun. Lots of sweat. Tractor is definitely much better!
A job well done
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So for vacuuming and pulling a string, I’ve never really used the foam method or even the ones that they sell to do this. I just use a cheap plastic bag from the store. He just fold it in half or a little more to makeit fatter tire string around the middle of it and the vacuum will pull that thing around anything no matter what size pipe you are doing you just make up your bag appropriately
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We don't have any powelines in the air anymore in Denmark.
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I had mine done 2 years ago glad I just paid someone too do all of it but nice video
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There are times when you are required to use a primer before the PVC glue. I usually use high solids gray glue for PVC that's going in the ground to accommodate settling and shifting.
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Plastic bags tied to string work great for pulling thru pipe with shop vac.
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Great as for the J Deere mini combo loader-backhoe.
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16:15 I would run an additional conduit pipe, for internet, etc.
Thanks for the comment. Good idea, it is easy enough to dig another trench but not so deep.
You want separation between power and signals, even though they have separate conduits to prevent interference. I found this out when I was going to put two conduits in a closet to get power from the attic to the crawl space. I was going to put a signal conduit beside the electrical. My very experienced electrician explained that that wasn't a good idea. Normally, you would separate power and Cat 6 by a foot or more. It depends on how much current is in the power cable. Fiber isn't affected.
I'm in Texas too…..where I am is easy digging. Local Co-op says original poles were spaced too far apart from the front to the back of my five acres when they were originally done, but now they want to clear cut 20' either side to fix it running overhead! Ruin my property IOW. Curioius what it cost for your electric company to run the line and hook back up? I have no choice but run underground, but right now that just seems like alot to take on. I probably have to go 300' to hook up to house…I'm considering solar or ANYTHING, but so far in limbo. Super fun video to watch…and beautifully trenched. How deep did you have to go? Two questions there and any comments appreciated!
Thanks for the comment. They suplyed the wire but I had to pay for it, that was $1600. I also paid for all the conduit in the trench and a new meter box and ground rod. I don't remember how much that was.
@@stephenmoore-chiefqc75 Did they hook you up for free after you paid for the wire etc? Do you know how many feet you ran?
I don't remember what was on my bill, but I think all I paid for was the wire. 93 feet from pole to building.
@@stephenmoore-chiefqc75 I watched a four year old video guy spent 800.00 for 360' of aluminum 2.0 wire. Is that what you did? Hard to beleive that huge a difference in costs…but I do think texas is high in general, do you?
Much easier way to install ground rods !
Dig a circular hole About spade deep, so that the hole is concave ! ( Guess it would be hard to dig a convex hole 😳 )
Pour water in the hole, then push the rod into the center of the hole, as far as you can !
Then pull the rod back out, then push in, adding water as you see fit !
Continue this up and down motion, until the rod reaches the required height above ground !
Easy Peasy !
Should take only a few minutes, and doesn't mushroom the rod end !
Obviously, if you encounter a rock, you may have to alter your route ?
Once you do this, you will never pound another one !
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I chuck in a bit for my hammer drill set to hammer mode and in @ a min I've got a 10' deep ground rod set.
I made the bit out of a sparkplug socket welded to one of the SDS max bits that was wore out, cut it down and welded the socket to it. Thinking I'm a smort man, I then discover they actually.make the same thing I just "invented" like 40 yrs ago but it's $60
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As for the pig. You can use a plastic shopping bag. Tie the string to the handles. and suck it through the pipe. It's cheap and reuses trash.
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That safety footwear!
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What about determining what underground pipes and wires before you digs.
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While I understand your reson for undertaking the project there are a few issues. Most utility suppliers make you own the run from the pole to the meter if you go underground. Remember, there are two types of wire in the ground, those that have failed and those that are gonna!
A few things.
Your pipe should have been tight to the pole and opposite to the direction of roadway travel. Removing a bit of dirt from the first couple of feet tight to the pole will not effect its support at all. Poles generally go at least 5' down.
Should have been 10' stick of RMC pipe extending up the pole with a grounding bushing at the top and a piece of 4Ga wire to tie it to the pole ground.
When gluing pipe, ALWAYS PRIME THE CONNECTIONS AND GLUE! There is chemistry behind this. The PVC lacks radicals on the surface for the glue to act on and the surface of the pipe is oxidized. The primer/ cleaner removes this surface and preps the pipes to be joined. I can't tell you how many times I have dug up pipes that were glued but not primed only to find them slip apart at the joint. PRIME YOU SAVAGES!
6Ga ground wire should have been a loop from the first means of disconnect to one ground rod, then to the next, and then back to the first means of disconnect. Both grounds should terminate on the neutral in the 200Amp disconnect only.
Kind of surprised to see mechanical lugs on an underground meter can, most all are generally crimp lugs on 3/8-16 studs for long term safety due to expansion and contraction of the run.
Tighten up your locking rings. Better yet, simply use an FA and a chase nipple in the meter can. Didn't see a bell end adapter on the pole side, kind of a must if using PVC.
Did you or the utilities guys seal the end of the pipe with either foam or duct seal to keep water out.
Sand in the hole and a good watering will be just fine to prevent subsidence. All other fill should be compacted in 4-6" lifts via vibratory or tamper.
No "Electric below" marking tape in the trench 6" below the surface was a no no.
Expansion joints are ALWAYS REQUIRED.
You get a grade of "B".
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something with the mustache, smile and twang -- please take this as a compliment, but you remind me of Slim Pickens :-)
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You didn't need to use your tractor to add the sand. I've put filler in trenches by "Carefully" backing my trailer along the trench. Watch soil stability. It goes really fast to dump directly into the ditch. My trailer doors help guide the flow so all I have to do is guide the filler into the trench. I mark the needed depth of the trench on my shovel.
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Great job
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Interesting...!
Our Power company will dig and bury the Power, Free up to 100 feet !
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Lucky you, my area does it different
I would love to see what the Code Inspector has to say about the enclosure and the fact that you didn’t use steel washers on the plastic pipe fitting where it enters the panel. Your nut is on a larger knockout, and that is a NEC violation.
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You can just ask the service provider to fix their pole or shorten the wire too. My line is aboveground too and it would be nice to bury it but I have them do it since they own that part of the line. It's not worth several grand to me. If they want to bury the line bad enough, they can do it at their expense.
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You didn’t mention it, so I hope you remembered to call the utility locator service number before you started digging!
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Should have put a layer of sand in BEFORE laying the pipe - 15 cm ( oh yeah that’s 45 barley kernels laying end to end in your money) ought to do it, this beds the pipe in and ensures that the pipe is covered from all sides with sand. Backfill with dirt
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Why you didn't get the light company to raise the wire up lot eaiser
Thanks for the comment. Yes, it would have been easier, but I wanted it underground, and I don't mind the work.
Job well done thanks
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I hope you have a permit for your work and dug the trench below your freeze level
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I don’t know which state you live in but the power company actually put the wire in the pipe and they own it over here in New York State that underground service would be customers responsibility you’re lucky did you get an inspected?
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All you had to do was run the line through the pipe in each joint as you go before you glued each joint together. In fact that's how I ran my power wire to my utility building because it wouldn't go through the sharp 45 so I just did it that way.
Thanks for the comment, I was just following directions from the utility company
WELL, I'm thinking WHY feed the string like that when you could of run it down each section as you glued them together, BUT I'm glad I saw this
I thought about that, .but I decided the vacuum would be just as easy
I tried that once and the string got glued to the joints...never again. Now i just ran my fish tape thru the conduit and pulled mule tape back in
Not sure why but the code requires the pipe to be fully assembled before running the wire
I did the same years ago.. mostly because the wires were such and eye sore
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How did you get away without having to pay a, " Licensed " Electrician to do the wiring ?
I believe that is a requirement here !
But it was enjoyable watching the process !
I do wish you could have shown the wiring though !
But nicely done !
To late my tip for installing the ground rod !
Watching you Hammer Drilling it, had me laughing !
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Thanks for the comment. In my area, if you are outside city limits it is ok to do the work yourself
Warnings for people that want to do this:
Always remember to dial 811 before you dig so the utility companies can mark your water/sewer lines and any already burried wires including phone, internet etc
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In Australia all electrical conduits are orange & there has to be warning tape below finished back fill, it is a legal requirement
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It might seem straightforward in your part of the world to do all this Electrical Work.
In my part of the world we might be lucky to be able to dig the trench ourselves ??
Everything else Must be done by a Fully Licenced Electrician.
And do these guys know how to charge $$$$$
IF we do the work ourselves, the Fine we receive for undertaking Electrical Work without a Licence works out somewhere around the same price as doing the job yourself and maybe a little more.
Electrical Work is the most heavily regulated industry.
I guess you get some liberties in the land of the free ??
Thanks for the comment, I was able to do the work myself because I was out of city limits. Otherwise, a fully licensed electrician would be required.
Where do you live? I’m 67 and been doing electrical work since about 13 and never been licensed or bonded, as long as you do the work right they don’t question your work here in Indiana.
@@earlestes8649 I have no idea what you can and cannot do in Indiana as far as Electrical work is concerned ??
But, the guy who posted this video already answered your question.
( I was able to do the work myself because I was out of city limits. Otherwise, a fully licensed electrician would be required. )
From that response I would guessing a Fully Qualified Electrician is required in the US.
IF you can get away with undertaking Electrical work without a Licence this would be your choice.
As I mentioned in my original comment.
( It might seem straightforward in your part of the world to do all this Electrical Work.
In my part of the world we might be lucky to be able to dig the trench ourselves ??
Everything else Must be done by a Fully Licenced Electrician )
@@weldmachine what country do you live in? I’ve cut live lines coming from transformers and reconnected them with aluminum crimp connectors, when you pull the meter you take the load off it before you take it out and put it back in.
I live just outside Corpus Christi Texas
And all without one call to, " Julie " !
😳.....Oops !
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My power company trenches my line and put burial cable in the ground without any conduit 31 years ago double 00 aluminum and no problems.
Thanks for the comment. They have their requirements on-line so I followed what they required
That's an it depends. If the power line is beyond a certain distance they will require you to install a conduit run for their feeders. Also, if it's running below a parking area, especially if it has a hard surface, they will want a conduit as well. No matter what you'll still be running a little bit of conduit anyway to protect the wires from the ground to the meter cabinet.
@@stephenmoore-chiefqc75a little tip from an electrician: plastic grocery bags make great rats for sucking string into conduits. Plastic grocery bags are cheaper than your foam.
Another tip would be to pay out the conduit next to the ditch and glue it as you walk down the run. How you glued the pipe together tends to push dirt and rocks in the conduit.
Used the bag rats many times using a vacuum cleaner. Works like a charm!
what about the tracer tape
Thanks for the comment. If it was required, no one to do it
Use a plastic grocery bag to suck througfh, then use mule tape insrtead of string.
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Just one ground rod, I thought three were used? I guess it depends on the makeup of ground; Sand, loam or clay soil.
Thanks for the comment, I already had one in the ground. In my area, two is required.
A plastic sandwich bag with a hole in it and a vacuum you can blow the string through the pipe
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Requirements for underground power line all depend on local, county, state and country ordinances.
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Where's your Utilies location? Don't see markings of existence or lack of underground utilities.
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You might want to put some grease on those pivot pins!
Thanks for the comment. Yes, you are right, I am not the best at keeping up with maintenance
U guys don't have to mark the run with with a tape line so far away from line so know its there if u have to dig it some day ??
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Plumbers have to run a wire tape over the new plastic (PEX) pipe to be able to locate it with a metal detector later down the road. In the case of PVC conduit, the copper conductors will be enough for the detector to find it.
In my area a caution tape will be buried above the pipe; an excavator will run into the safety tape before making contact with the pipe(s).
@ 25:10 , bro, I was holding my breath fearing you’ll cut your finger while bending and twisting that steel ring with sharp edges. Use gloves.
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You did call 811 before you dig, right?
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If you would have took that ground wire off the building that would have come off a lot easier.But good job buddy..😅
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811 / U.S.A. call before you dig I assume was done off-camera.
NEC 2024, don't think you can use schedule 40/80 for SER anymore, it has to be flexible solid conduit.
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Was that main disconnect bottom feed?
Usually its line on top, load on bottom.
Yes, I think you are right, I put that in so long ago. I don't remember what my thought process was, or maybe I wasn't thinking at all. Thanks for the comment
You need to be sure your power wires and conduit for them are below the frost line, usually 24 or 36 inches deep. Also when you bury the conduit and wires be sure to place the proper warning tape in the ditch so diggers in the future will know about the wires and not damage them.
Thanks for the comment, I don't have to worry about the frost line around here. It might be only about 2 inches.
How much did you spend on that.project.
Thanks for the comment, I'm sorry to say, but I didn't keep track. AEP charged me almost $1700 for the wire and other things. Then, for the meter box and ground rods and the conduit, I probably spent another $200, maybe $300, not sure.
I moved one underground in the 90's I didn't tell anyone not even the power company. It was in the back so nobody really paid attention to me. Nobody said anything, and I sold the house over 10 years ago, as far as I know, it's still there.
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Love the mouth breathing!
Thanks for the comment. Yes, I am a mouth breather. My nose doesn't work so well.
Real electricians work with the power energized and only when it’s raining or snowing.
Breathing is optional.
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Nice video… Thank you.
(I’m a retired firefighter and was a licensed electrical contractor on my off days…. I’m a huge fan of eliminating overhead wiring if it’s feasible)
It really seems to be that case. Murphy's Law weather-wise.
You went barefoot except for the sand at the end. I don't get you, man, nice job though.
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You can drive a ground rod with just a bottle of water and your hands. No need for a drill.
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I sure could use that dump trailer for a couple weeks to get rock for my driveway
Thank you for the comment, I will see if I can fit that into my schedule
DON'T know ANYTHING about such but isn't that overkill? Wouldn't a ditchwich been much quicker? Years ago I had a Mexican who dug with a shovel a ditch like that in about a hour LOL
Thanks for the comment, I don't know where you live, but the hard black clay in my area is as hard as concrete. The requirement was 3 feet of cover, so I wanted to make sure it passed inspection.
How can you work barefoot. You must have some tough feet.
Thanks for the comment, I just dont like wearing shoes
You must be an electrician
Thanks for the comment. No, I'm not an electrician, I was a Certified Welding Inspector before I retired. To be able to do electrical work, I find out what I need to know by books or the internet.
No pigs needed… Next time you need to pull string though a pipe just tie a plastic grocery bag to the string and it will suck through like a dream and you don’t have to make a mess with styrofoam or use a hot glue gun.
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Where are your shoes? Not good working with that kind of stuff without shoes. You must be tough feet.
Thanks for the comment, I don't like to wear shoes. I'll take my chances
No need to make a "Pig". Just tie a Walmart bag on the end of the string.
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This not an rv,rv's have an engine for driving it,campers do not,even though they are both for camping.
Thanks for the comment, I don't usually disagree with a comment, but if you will do some research you will find that most people agree with wickapeadia and the webster dictionary that a 5th wheel can be referred to as an RV
Don’t know about your’s, DMVs I’ve checked with have a similar definition, “A recreational vehicle is a motorhome, housecar, travel trailer, truck camper, or camp trailer; with or without motive power; designed for human habitation or other occupancy”
RV stands for Recreational Vehicle and a trailer is considered a vehicle. If an RV was supposed to be a Motor Vehicle then it would be RMV and not RV.
I see no telephone on your power pole why would call it a telephone pole?
Thanks for the comment. It was a name for the poles I heard as I grew up, so that's what I use
Sort of like people saying they have a hot water heater, no such thing. Why would you heat hot water? I have a water heater at my house, and so does everyone else.
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Where I live, the power company owns some poles, and the telco owns others. In some cases, they've retained ownership even though the phone lines or fiber are underground. But I normally call them power poles.
Thanks for the comment. Yes, I would agree they are power poles, but from the time I learned to talk, everyone called them telephone poles no matter what lines are on them.
You forgot to bury your red"Electric line Buried Below" Plastic Tape, or you did not show it! Otherwise, Great Job!
Thanks for the comment, I don't know if it is required where I live
Sooooooo, um, please call 811 before you dig...
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Clean up the inside of the garage!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the comment, I had big plans to clean it up and even go as far as to paint the floor. But things have changed, and I don't know if working in my shop will be in my future plans.
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Hmm. I'd use gloves, and shoes. 🙂
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You made alot of mistakes
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That was painful to watch. Call a contractor next time and get it done quickly and correctly
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Why are you even touching the local PUC shit? No locates and digging right beside the pole without supports. This must be in ERCOT territory.
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811, 811, 811, 811!
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It was for this reason I cringed several times during this vid.
@jimrawls5509 I am retired Bell System, I must have been dispatched on hundreds of these calls. People assume if there is aerial plant there there is not also buried plant, or they know what is buried on their property. Driving that rebar at the base of the pole was cringe worthy, as was driving the ground rod!! I couldn't drive a ground rod without calling for a locate myself! I would have been suspended! I lost track of how many times the customer screamed at me for the outage they caused. Even threatening to sue! If they were lucky the only outage they caused was their own.
My favorite story was an ATT helicopter landing in front of a farmer plowing his field. Another 50 feet and he would have been paying $100,000 a minute for the outage. Bye bye farm!
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@@jerrylondon2388 I'm in the business too. Left USWest/Qwest?Centurylink (as a splicer) for the power company, which is why I cringed.