Meshroom VS Zephyr [ENG]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- Meshroom VS Zephyr [ENG]
This is my second (but not final) video about photogrammetry. Fun topic! Curious? You should be in my opinion. Because the creation of a 3D model with the help of Meshroom, 3DF Zephyr or other software suites is really fun and is actually not that complicated. In this video I'm scanning a wall, but once you dive deeper into this topic, you can of course try to scan more complicated objects. You can then import the finished mesh in the 3D program of your choice. For me that's Blender.
Just check out my short tutorial to get a first impression of the process.
alicevision.org/#meshroom
www.3dflow.net/3df-zephyr-pho...
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Excellent, from Toronto. Cheers!
Thanks!! And cheers from northern germany :)
Greetings fromMéxico City!! great video! you earn one more subscriber! keep doing this bro!! and!! Thanks a lot!!
I have to thank you! Glad you like it. Cheers from northern germany :)
@@RandomRotation i looove germany!! danke shönen !!
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ah na cool dich nochmal zu sehen :)
Great, thanks for sharing, greetings from Mexico City
Thank you for watching :)
Cheers from northern germany!
Nice job. Newbie learning the ropes been using Meshroom. I'm still working out the camera issue because of the part that i'm trying to scan. Good information comparing the two.
Thanks Bob! Glad it helped. What exactly is your camera issue?
@@RandomRotation have not been able to get a solid mesh model. Taken 50 to 60 pictures 8 different times. Tried a turntable with a random pattern. Painted model grey, used my cell, and my camera.
For some reason I'm not getting a good camera ring around the part. Even with the tripod I have holes. The image in blender looks terrible.
In meshroom I can barely make it the image. It's a 1/16 scale car body.
I would of thought it would of been easy to copy compared to all the things I've seen people shoot on you tube.
Cars, or reflective surface in general, are difficult to scan. Any chance to wrap the surface temporarily with something dull?
I just use both programs. Both of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Some turn out better in 3Df Zypher, while others turn out better in meshroom.
True!
Can you elaborate at all please? I am currently look into 3D scanning faces and wondering which bit of software would be best for the job?
@@AshleyGlover Hi! I never tried to scan a face so far. But in one of my next videos I want to scan myself. That should come out soon. Maybe that can help you deciding. But what I can say for sure is that you can't really make a mistake trying out Meshroom, since it's free.
Thank you from Japan
My pleasure! Greetings from germany!!
What kind of GPU do you need for each software? I heard that Meshroom is more restrictive, or specific? Learning this for the first time
Same here :) I'm also a newbie when it comes to photogrammetry. I have a 2070 Super in my machine, that's working perfect so far.
If would scan something larger. I'd "scan it" with taking a video, then use "free video to jpg converter" and import the photos from that to meshroom
Good approach.
I have used both but ditched Meshroom quite a while ago and use only Zephyr now. Not only is Zephyr faster and IMO more accurate but Meshroom constantly crashes if it encounters errors whereas Zephyr says it encountered an error and makes suggestions as to why the error occurred. The fact that Zephyr has 1000 times better error handling instead of crash and exit just shows better programming and less headaches.
Less headaches is always welcome! I'm still learning this whole scanning thing. Next on my list is Metashape. Have you used that yet?
@@RandomRotation I actually haven't yet. It appears to have a more advanced point cloud system but the sample scans all look large. I wonder if it would handle smaller objects with the same detail as the larger scans. I do both. The purchase price kind of deterred me from giving it a try though. I already invested in Zephyr (Lite version) for the 500 file limit. I have been using video now and have it extract the images from that which makes it much easier (and easier on my clicking finger). I will more than likely give the trial a try though when I can find the time. Let me know what you think of it.
I will!
How many pics would you prefer taking for good details
That depends on the object really. Sometimes you can get away with 30 - 40 images, other times you simply need more.
the most important thing if you comparing 3df zephyr and meshroom is your pc specs. both software need to use nvidia based graph cards.
Im regretting buying an amd ryzen 5 :(
@@armondtanz that's not a graphics card
@@likebliss it has a vega graphics card.
Meshroom all day. It's free. I love free.
Not a bad choice!
@@RandomRotation
Thanks
You should also show the mesh without textures to see the gaps between the bricks - or just don't use just a flat wall. Most of the details you can see is the generated brick texture. But what matters is the geometry.
that's what I thought, too
I've tried everything on meshroom and it simply WILL NOT WORK. I'm going to try my luck with zephyr
Ok. Can you tell what went wrong?
Had the same problems but this site dialed it in. github.com/alicevision/meshroom/wiki/Reconstruction-parameters
Does the project files path have special characters? That way it won’t work , move it to somewhere else
I m using meshroom and 3DF for almost 2 weeks continuously.... impressed with 3DF.... fast and gives better textures on meshes compared to meshroom.... only constrain is free version have 50 photos limit
Yes, the 50 limit is a little bummer. But for some objects that‘s enough.
@@RandomRotation yes an average of 35 to 50 is enough for Covering most of the objects.... and your works are nice.... keep it up... 👍🏼
Thanks 🙏🏻
Does 3df zephyr Also requires graphic card(cuda)
It's recommended.
Has anyone tried using a clip from a movie let's see if either of these programs would work
I personally have not tried this yet. But it works.
Welche der beiden würdest du entpfehlen
Von den beiden Programmen wohl Meshroom. Es liefert gute Ergebnisse, frisst kein riesiges Loch ins Bankkonto und gerade am Anfang geht es ohnehin viel ums experimentieren. Da muss man noch nicht wirklich viel Geld ausgeben. Später kann man ja noch wechseln.
I want to know how much detail can the software pull out of the photo. If you are going to review the scan, TURN OFF THE TEXTURES! The textures are going to hide details.
Next time.
I would had Meshroom VS Zephyr VS a caliper and Autodesk Inventor cause as far as using photogrammetry for mechanical parts, nothing worked for me. I spent hours upon hours trying everything humanly possible and I always
ended up with a complete disaster. Totally not usable. At the end of the day, my conclusion is that it takes way less time reverse-engineering the parts from scratch in Inventor than fudging with photogrammetry and the part is perfect. I do understand though, that for anything heavily textured, it seems to be excellent.
I agree!
Are you comparing these two because they are free? if that's the criteria, that would be good to include in the title and intro.
Agisoft Metashape seems strong but is not free.
No, not really. I am comparing them because they both do simular things. For me it is completely okay if things cost money, as long as they do what I need them to do. But don't get me wrong, a nice free tool is always welcome. Metashape is on my list too.
@@RandomRotation I just experimented with it today. It's half decent, but it's a bit slow, laborious, and conventional algorithm that prefers to be close and created blobby snowdrift type geometry. We could really use a generational shift into neural net photogrammetry that actually sees shapes, not mangled blob terrains. It could suddenly be really really good.
@@DanFrederiksen Interesting topic for sure!
Zephyr is limited to 30 on the free version now
Wow, that’s not much. Good to know. Thanks 🙏🏼
Zephyr for me is by far better , faster more reliable especially for object were are shiny etc
So is your Zephry just the 50 photo limit or did you pay for an upgrade? If so, then you aren't really comparing a free vs vs a free version.
It is the limited version!
@@RandomRotation thanks for the quick reply. I appreciate it.
My pleasure!
How many photos did you take of the wall?
50. If I remember that right. I think the trial version of Zephyr had that limitation.
@@RandomRotation Same with Meshroom? 50?
Yes.
@@RandomRotation ok thank you
My pleasure!
Using Meshroom on my 8Gb i7 with windows 8.1 it crashes continuously. Using 3D Zephyr, it works fine. (And fast!)
same graphics card gang
Welcome!
Common misconception is that smartphones can not compete with DSLRs or Mirrorless cameras but that's half true. Smart phones are actually more ideal and optimal in well exposed areas on multiple levels. True, you do not get the benefits of RAW images with most smart phones but this is only beneficial if you plan to push the colors future than 8-BIT can handle before making a mess. I plan on doing a test using my iPhone XR and Canon EOS M but i'm almost positive the iPhone will do better by default due to AI reconstruction.
Sounds interesting. I‘d like to watch that comparison.
How was if?
It*
Not using a fancy camera yet using a piece of kit that cost the same. Come on
Well, my camera costs about four times as much as my phone. I just wanted to show that it's not necessary to always use the more expensive gear. And therefore I used the phone that I have. Which is the iPhone 8+. Use whatever phone you have!