Hey! Just so you know, Jen luv actually posted a new update video a few days ago about beauty counter. Beauty counter sent out a letter for only the top two ranks saying that they can go to Arbonne and Arbonne will help with their income... Or some weird stuff like that. I think specifically they call that a soft place to land. But they only offered it to their top two ranks, no one else below them
I do want to point out the irony of this issue w your video on YT- it’s has a parallel with the MLM people in regard to being your own boss. The MLM sellers can loose their entire business if the MLM changes the terms or compensations & there is nothing they can do. The same goes for for people who make a living off of YT/IG/TT- a change to the algorithms can turn a successful channel into a failure, MADE UP complaints by people who don’t like you or are your competition can report you on made up stuff up & basically harass you to sabotage your content. The social media companies tend to side with the complaint even when it’s ridiculous then make it REALLY HARD to rectify issue based on a lie & the creators just have to accept it. Don’t forget if someone is able to hack your account & change your PW. There is nothing you can do & now have all your subscribers & everything you worked so hard to buildis gone in seconds
@@KwazyKupkakes I thought exactly the same. Social Media and platforms raising their "Look, we got a social media superstar here, YOU cAn Do iT tOo"... and if you don't it's totally your fault, huh ;)
I'd love a deep dive info what happened to a company/mlm called Color By Amber. It wasn't huge huge. But they jist suddenly shut down, and if what they were doing to make their products is true. They didn't just rip income away from reps. But they were hiring women in 3rd world countries, giving them decent wages and heath care (I'm guessing that was also unsustainable), but if it's all true, all those ladies in struggling countries, who finally had a regular decent income coming in lost all that too.
Hey! I recently started watching your videos and all I’ve seen where child friendly so I was wondering if there was a reason behind why there’s an age restriction on your content. This is the first video of yours I’ve seen with this, and I’m just wondering if it’s actually something I should avoid or something dumb cuz yt did give me a warning for a “inappropriate comment” when I just asked what music someone used.
And when they go home for the day, work doesn't follow! I only take "menial" jobs now. I refuse to have a job that takes over the mental space where my peace should be.
Exactly! Also, I hate when people punch down at workers who take on non-office jobs. Those people are just as important as every office worker, if not more-so (we all need to do groceries and buy clothes!!)
TARGETS A PYRAMID. Holy fuck was that likenofbthought NOT thought out. I don't love that she wasn't successful and undoubtedly lost a connection of money, but I'm also grateful she seems to have seen the light.
Legit had someone I know tell me, excitedly, that they had made $340. I was like "oh, just this week?" like okay if this was a part time that wouldn't be bad in a week. They then responded "oh no, for the month". I had to really stone face that. They push the product daily, go to events, buy equipment to set up, spend hours selling, host live events, ect....for maybe $340 a month?
@@hashtagmatesadly this guy is still selling that shit even after being reported so don’t know what the board needs to see if stuff not approved by the relevant authorities is still given the okay to be sold to patients…
Not me here loving my “corporate job” having paid days off, vacations, hybrid and flexible schedules, insurances AND PAYCHEQUES every two weeks…😂 it’s kinda nice to “be average” lmao
I live in Canada.. I also had almost a year of paid parental leave, for 4 of those moths, my employer pitched in so I had 100% of my salary. Big Bad Corpo is so evil....
Right! The way those ladies, especially Monat, get on their high horse and yap about how terrible 9-5 jobs are. LOL girlfriend that’s called security. I love my job, it’s 9-5 is easy and very flexible. I also don’t know why every Monat chick brags about how much money they make, literally telling social media they make millions $$, although i don’t believe it. The “freedom” they preach about is so annoying. One chick in my area says nearly every day “i retired my husband” as in now she makes enough money for the both of them & she’s such a boss babe. 😳 how embarrassing.
Right! I don't have to work on vacation, still getting paid but I can talk to who ever I want to and stay off social media and get to live in the moment! I also love my job lol I can take however many or what ever day off I need in case of emergencies
SAME. I work remotely full time and have literally never had so much time freedom in my life. I can shower on lunch, toss in laundry when I get up from my desk, etc. There is structure to my day and I do have to hold myself accountable for getting my work done, but nothing crazy. ETA: I also got to choose my own schedule and they're pretty flexible if I've got to change it up. Just an added bonus.
"The people at Target are only making $15 an hour!!" Yeah... they're getting paid for their time... I'm a part time minimum wage worker myself, and looking at MLM compensation plans makes me feel like a millionaire compared to the 90% of earners 😭
Exactly! This comparison is crazy to me! It's like yeah, they get paid $15 an hour whether or not you buy something! Whereas MLM huns ONLY get paid if someone buys something! The lack of critical thinking is insane!
It’s wild cause I know these people are fed this idea that making money at a target job is bad because once your hours are up the money stops. They like the idea of constantly making money and never having to stop but the problem is….thats not happening in mlms lol
I think she may have been somewhat impaired by drugs or alcohol at that time. Scary to think of that rage + impairment, driving a car at highway speeds.
That was super unhinged, but sometimes people in desperate situations act out of character (paired with the delusions fed through the mlm). She might not really be a bad person
Nobody feels the need to yell at strangers when things are going well. It's defensive and clearly indicates they are deeply insecure about what they are doing.
As a former MLM rep (Doterra) I thank you for your content. It still triggers a lot of shame for me sometimes when I watch your videos, but you’re also helping me see my past self with compassion. I was lied to and pressured by my friends to do a “business” even though all I wanted was to use the oils for myself and my family. But my up line put people in my down line and then pressured me and guilted me into doing the business because I had a “responsibility” now…😢 I’m not a good salesperson. I refuse to pressure people into spending money they don’t have, and I refused to leverage personal relationships for profit, so I was not successful. They took advantage of my good nature and my need for income for my family (I was a stay at home mom). Sigh. So much waste.
I don’t think you have anything to feel shame about. The people who pressured you are the ones who acted without compassion. You sound like a really good person ❤
Every human being makes mistakes, so don’t beat yourself up for being human. You ‘saw the light’ and realized that MLMs, like cults, use shame and guilt to keep people drinking the koolaide. Be happy that you were able to move past that. Sending hugs from Texas.
If anything, I'd say these videos prove that even if you DID pressure people to buy stuff or leverage your personal relationships, you STILL wouldn't have been successful! I hope these videos can relieve some of that shame. Your loving choices toward your family and friends not only preserved your relationship, but also had no negative effect on your "business" despite what your upline told you. It's not your fault that the MLM designed to make 99% of people fail was unsuccessful.
I wanted to comment because I hope you understand, you did not fail because you are not a good salesperson. You failed because the system is built for 96% of people to fail in order for the top of the pyramid to make money off your hard work. I hope you are doing well!
This isn't to excuse their behavior even a little bit, but it makes sense to me that first lady (and others) was feeling so angry, especially after learning that she ended up quitting so soon after she posted that video. She saw the end coming and that probably scared her. Fear often leads us to lash out in anger. I hope she's found peace. I always appreciate your grace with people, Hannah.
She just seemed angry and unhinged because people were not agreeing with her beliefs about her company. Those MLM people constantly hound people about buying something and they get really annoyed when you don’t join.
That's why her channel is my favorite anti-MLM channel. She extends such grace to the women (mainly) who are roped into this way of life. She attacks the companies not the person. That's unless it's indefensible like the woman livestreaming on the way to a funeral.
What I think is so funny about MLM Huns is the idea that nobody is allowed to just want a stable job that pays the bills, has benefits, stable hours and allows for a comfortable work/life balance 😂like some people just wanna go and do their job from 9-5 and then go home and not have to think about work
Yes, they all want their reps to leave their secure jobs to ‘work their business’ full time. It’s insane, especially following now that so many are sinking ships! Monat is on their way down.
PRECISELY! It's a point I came to the comments to make sure was covered. MLMs DON'T contribute to unemployment insurance because they don't actually hire the sellers. When sellers leave or the MLM goes belly up, they get NOTHING. There's no safety net.
I have a child with a chronic illness who almost died. This doctor makes me sick. He exploits the desperation of parents who simply want to see their children healthy or in better condition. This is really disgusting.
I wish he'd lose his medical license. I know that seems extreme but what he's doing is against medical practices. I'm so sorry to hear about your child.
Dear Woman in vid at min 42, You don't have to have oils help you get thru a day. I have joy in my heart, not hair, hope in my heart, not on my wrist, and tranquility comes from peace I have and the trauma can be healed. I sound like some kind of Jesus freak. I am not, but I have so much hope from words from scriptures and music that always playing very softly in my dwelling. You don't even have to read scriptures. Just Google scripture art and the prettiest, most meaningful scriptures will be in your heart forever. No oil can do that. It won't wash or wear off and it is free, you don't have to buy it. That stuff is temporary, use it if you must, until you get some pretty scripture art into that caring heart that you have. Buying trauma healing, joy, hope and tranquility via like is a lie from someone who wants your money. I have my own things that I need to get a grip on, like I need to stop going to Target because it's all so cute, but those joy, hope and tranquility words just stuck to me because those are gifts given to you.
Just noticed something entirely random. When you're listening to the screaming/angry Boss Babes, your kitty jumps up as if to comfort you! 😻 lol so cute
As a mental health professional, I’m really glad you took the steps to stop this pediatrician posting and report him for very unethical behavior. 😊 You are an Amazon!❤
"The company pays for my car/house!" is getting so old because AS IT F0CKING SHOULD, IT IS YOUR JOB AFTER ALL 😂 Where do huns think other working people get money to pay for their living costs if not from the companies that they are either employees or owners of?
YES EXACTLY. reminds me of the Monat girlies w their "company cards" being like "my job bought me dinner!!" like babe it's called spending your paycheck ppl do this all the time.
Exactly! I can afford my rent, my car, my food, and all of my other bills with the money I make from my job. My job also offers free college. My brother in law got his master’s degree through my employer and now has a fancy federal job that pays really well. I’m planning to get my master’s too (just need to find the time)!
here's the thing. To me, there was a desperation and relief in her voice that was heart breaking. When she's talking about the mortgage bonus, at one point she loses her breath, for no apparent reason. It looked to me that was a silent panic attack (I've had them, you 100% lose your breath like someone's just punched you in the guts) I think she was at that point in absolute dire straits moneywise and this company just offered what must have felt like a last minute reprieve from homelessness. And that's probably why she's in a 5th wheel now. The bonus wasn't real, of course, and she did lose her house and probably everything. She's the only one in this video who I even felt remotely sorry for. I don't think she was trying to sell or recruit, I think she was maybe on her last leg and this was the only hope she had left.
And I might watch this again, I BET she spent the money that was supposed to pay the mortgage, thinking she was getting a huge check...or maybe that was someone else's house and she always lived in the camper.
The company doesn’t “pay for” your car unless you have a company car or a car reimbursement. And it doesn’t “pay for” your house. It pays YOU. You spend your money.
I would assume he could easily be sued for medical malpractice if anything happens given that Doctors are supposed to use evidence based practice. It's considered medical negligence at least, maybe harder to argue intentionally reckless. Medical fraud for selling unnecessary products also seems like a possibility?
I have to believe he knows to an extent how all those products won’t do anything….since he didn’t quit his practice and just go full time with the mlm. I guarantee his excuse to himself and if he gets in trouble is “I’m just offering it as a suggestion…if a parents goes to the extreme with it that’s their fault not mine” which is bull because of course most parents will listen to their kids doctor though anti vax docs exist so…ugh
@@KwazyKupkakes there are Amare Huns shrillng their mlms on threads using doctors like this idiot as a boost to “prove” their products are “doctor recommended” and I shared Hannah’s video on Amare. Hun responded “so you don’t support a woman run small business ?” I said I don’t support ANYONE in an mlm. She posted on a post about motherhood and I think loss. Typical hun behavior and she didn’t waste a minute to share about her products that would work….
I AM THE FAMILY OF THAT SECOND WOMAN---"DON'T GET MAD AT US BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BUY YOUR MESS! YOU CAN CURSE ALL YOU WANT--WE STILL NOT BUYING IT"!!! AND BY THE WAY--IF THEY HAVE A CURSING DETOX---TRY THAT"!
I’ve worked in one of those big box warehouse for almost 30 years. I will retire a millionaire due to investing in my 401k. I have over a month of paid time off. Do I make CEO money, no. But I’m a clerical, not a CEO. I also don’t have to recruit other clericals to do my job. I don’t have to bother my friends and family to buy products. Our warehouse donates so much food to our local food banks that we kept them going during the pandemic. I’m proud of that. Big box can help the local communities we are in.
And what the restricted vocabulary woman says about “finally being on vacation and making money” … does she not know most full-time jobs have paid leave? We care for our sick parents while making even more money than she does and while GENUINELY doing nothing. She still needs to post content and get on zoom calls, so she primarily lives on her phone and does the rest (vacation, recover from sickness, help family members) on the side
I should have finished listening, sounds like she moved on best you can tell but it does just show people how those caught up in the middle of these are brain washed while in it
I was in a legit cult for 27years. Many people involved were also involved in many different mlms. I even sold Mary Kay at one point. I know others who were in different cults where lots of people were also involved in mlms. I can tell you, mlms are cults and the reason they appeal to so many cult members is that the thinking and tactics are the same. Most of them also heavily use religious language. I'm so glad I finally got out of all that bs.
Mary Kay, Tupperware.. nine million others that were big when I was growing up was extremely common amongst the women in our religion. They never lasted too long since Jehovah’s Witnesses were not allowed to do anything that even remotely resembled hanging out or spending time with those outside if the religion so these things would come and go fairly quick since there were so many within the religion selling and they ran out of other women to reel in.Uhg I’m not in the religion left at 23 and never been into the mlm’s thank goodness. Though my mom did sell Mary Kay and another similar makeup during the 80’s-90’a in there somewhere and she got into Tupperware for a min there too.
I am a psychologist with a strong interest in cults. Until about a year ago, I had no idea of the enormous parallels between MLMs and cults, and I have found your channel extremely educational. It is one thing to read about MLMs and another to see, firsthand, the behavior of MLMs reps. "in the wild". I suspect that, due to cognitive dissonance, many of these reps lose more money than they admit to because they are embarrassed. The levels of deception in MLMs and cults are many layered and are based upon exploitation. The only people who financially thrive in cults and MLMs are the top of the pyramid or the cult leader. Everything else is smoke and mirrors designed to extract revenue and to exploit free labor.
Happy more and more people are seeing these parallels as well. I would also add religion to the parallels, too. Notice how most of those yelling the loudest about their MLM's are also usually dropping some kind of religious line (the woman in the video about going to the funeral and thr green sweater woman are perfect examples of this). MLM confrences also usually have a strong religious presence and may even have church services. It's extremely intertwined with a lot of MLM's, that then begin to exhibit cult or cult-like behavior.
The MLMs exploit those who are religious but not grounded in the truth of their faith (or at least from a Christian perspective). Unfortunately, there are those who view God as a personal “genie” of sorts whose sole purpose is to give them everything they want; therefore, they believe God will make them successful in their MLM. It’s a sad shame where the MLM reps aren’t the only ones being exploited. @@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley
I don't know where it was, yes I do, Jordan and McKay have an episode of MLMs on their channel, Maybe a few that will be with your viewing. They have inside knowledge.
It's so funny when people say "It's not a scam, look at me!" because even SOME people in Ponzi schemes DO get their money back. That doesn't mean it isn't a scam.
There is actually a subtle difference between a Ponzi scheme (traditional pyramid) and an MLM. Ponzi schemes are passive - you hand over your money and wait for your ROI; MLMs require far more investment in terms of additional time and energy to get those returns. And, you're right that, as a result, some Ponzi victims get their money back. It's a surprisingly high percentage compared with what you'd expect. And it's also why MLMs tend to have (with the exception of the seriously big, notable ones like Madoff) more of a shelf life than Ponzis, unfortunately.
My favorite thing about your channel is the fact that you ALWAYS show up with compassion and grace when discussing these scams. That’s a special thing. It shows you really care about helping people, not just making entertainment.
Always so much grace and understanding shown to everyone! The empathy, while also highlighting the scammy mlm world, is such an amazing quality and Hannah is a Queen. 🫅
This is even MORE JUICY than the influencer drama, please do more. Absolutely hands down satisfying. You can also do a where are they now, would you rather die edition, where you review people like Hailey Peters or Amy Bailey who literally screwed their entire lives up by focusing on their mlm to the point there’s death involved. You probably will come up with a more tactful title but there’s much tea to be found.
I want to vomit when my Scentsy or younique posts pop up in my memories 😂 so fricken embarrassing 😳. I did apologize to my friends and family for being in any mlms, for not understanding that I was being manipulative and manipulated, and just straight up said you were right, I was wrong. So many people are incapable of holding themselves accountable.
I think this where-are-they-now format is the most important to the anti MLM cause - otherwise all anyone sees is the reps at their craziest and 'most successful'. People need to see the reps' failures for the reality of MLMs to really sink in. Keep up the good work! 🥰
I lost my daughter almost 16 years ago and if any of my friends would’ve tried to take that as an opportunity to sell their MLM products I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t have been friends anymore. Talk about having zero respect for that family and the trauma they went through. I’m shocked how anyone could do something like that.
Listening to a doctor refer to a product they push as “happy juice packs” unironically is so unsettling. MLMs use the most ridiculous infantile names for their products and ranks while expecting us to take it seriously
What blows my mind is that so many MLM huns rant and rave in irritation on their social media about all kinds of crap and yet people still want to signup to be on their teams. I would never want to work with someone like that, so what attracts so many people to these huns? I know they aren’t all like that, but many are and I just find it so unprofessional and childish. I would never choose a “mentor” or “coach” like that.
Genuine question (I'm not in the US!). I was under the impression that doctors in the states got payment for the drugs they prescribe - is that not true? If so I don't really know how you could trust whether ANY treatment they recommend is truly for your benefit? What he's doing is more direct and in your face but is it so much different? Again, genuine question, the whole thing made me sad and I'm not trying to start any fights!😂
@@idkwhodos2840I also wondered about this too! If so, is it possible that this isn’t considered unethical? Things in the US are so different from where I live.
No, doctors don't get compensation for medications they prescribe. The insurance companies mostly dictate what patients can take and if it'll be paid for. That's not to say that some shady doctors won't take incentives from pharmaceutical reps who approach them with their new medication and ask them to push it. There are regulations surrounding this but can also be hard to track. It just depends how ethical the Dr is.
absolutely loved this video!!! Someone that I often think about is that mum that gave her kids the choice between a candy and one of the products from the company she was endorsing ( don't remember which one tbh ), and then forced them to quickly eat all lined up in front of the camera as her husband also kept telling them to hurry... absolutely disgusting behaviour, if not literally abusive. I remember that the older ones chose her product since they were clearly looking for her approval, while the younger kids chose the candy and were then accused of having "self inflicted belly ache" or something - I think she even went as far as blaming their diaper accident on the candy. Absolutely mental
So thankful for your character towards these women/ people you are updating on. There’s so much hate online nowadays and I like your videos because you really have a good heart and intention behind your content and its not just about views, engagement and money at the expense of others. ❤
I loved those videos for that particular reason lol they're out here calling other people ugly, nasty, etc. as if they aren't acting just as, if not more, ugly and nasty LOL
If I knew she was my kid's teacher I wouldn't trust her at all. Filming yourself driving and ranting is so irresponsible and a major breach of common sense.
In my experience, the mean girls from middle school and high school ARE the ones who do MLMs, because the only way you can get people to sign up under you is if you have that "popular girl" quality that people want to join. It's just for adults now. Maybe that's why no one asks me to join their MLMs... I was always the nerdy, socially awkward outcast, which now definately works in my favor! 😂
I was listening while in the shower and I heard " green sweater lady " and I'm like "hmm. Sounds familiar. " I opened the curtain to dry off and saw the white tiger shoulders... And I'm like "OMYGOSH!! The lady who was yelling at her kids "Not now! Mommy's busy!" And the whole time watching I remember thinking her sweater looked like something from Lularoe.😂 Also, Happy Mother's day!!
That last one was heart wrenching to hear. More bc if I was burying my child and found out one of my friends did and said what she did, she’d be dead to me. Wow. Thank you for putting these together. ❤
The mortgage “bonus” is the scariest thing ever. Needing to rely on hitting a rank that’s unrealistic and bound to fail in order to keep your house and car is terrifying. That’s the quickest way to completely sabotage your financial stability
These car bonus keep ppl buying the monthly minimums- this was what happened with the pink Cadillac from Mary Kay. They can’t get the bonus if they loose their levels so often they pay out the money to get bonus so it’s a wash- they break even
@@KwazyKupkakesExactly, with the MLM you end up paying yourself to keep a car/mortgage you can’t afford with your spouses income but you’re not breaking even because you’re paying taxes for any bonus and “income” you made. You end up losing money even though it looks like you’re making money on your taxes (the mlm sends in your income directly to the irs including bonuses, trips, gifts as taxable income). Some months you’re probably nowhere near hitting your rank, so you end up spending way more than you would for just a modest car loan. A car repo is devastating. A home foreclosure is catastrophic
Since this video got age restricted I liked it and commented to maybe help with the algorithms. This is helpful and educational content and helps people to be aware of MLM scams.
I knew a girl in college that was a HUGE Monat person -- I just checked up on her and anything Monat has been completely scrubbed from her profiles. I was genuinely concerned for her, glad she found her way out.
11:06 people should never, ever film while driving. What could they possibly be saying that’s so important that they can’t just wait until they get to where they’re going OMG is she on the INTERSTATE 12:20 both hands off the wheel???!!!!!! When people get online to rant on a video… I hope they find more helpful/stabilizing coping mechanisms in the future. Let’s all start journaling these feelings instead of posting them publicly
The way the second MLM rep is now working at her local school and is claiming to be a future teacher is horrifying. Imagine someone so unhinged to be a teacher.. the future of teachers and kids are grim
Everything we post online can be dug up. Any potential future employer can search for social media accounts. It terrifies me for all the teens and young adults who post multiple videos and pics daily, because they are out there forever. It’s not even that they are doing anything wrong, but can be seen a certain way by an employer and could mean an offer of employment or a decline! Social media can be so powerful for the right reasons, but so much negativity comes from it too.
@@thestillnesscreative540 exactly. They should all have their accounts private… but unfortunately, many of the kids want easy fame so ill doubt they’ll do that and think ahead for their future:(
There is another update on this! The top 0.6% have been offered a "safe place to land." What a miracle! From... Arbonne. Hm... Not suspicious at all, right? Jen Luv talked about it again this past Sunday!
But also let's look on the bright side of Beauty Counter ending contracts - "what, I'm no longer getting my $200 per month for working 80 hours a week?!" Noooooooooooo!
Green Sweater Lady was wild but who is bragging about paying off a vehicle SIX YEARS EARLY?! How long is your loan? Unreal. If you’re “making six figures” and you need a 10 year vehicle loan mayyyyyybe you’re living far beyond your means. 🤔
@@sushreeshashwata Apologies if I get this wrong but I think it's a Mormon/LDS thing. Only know that much cos I watched Hannah's video about it yesterday!😅 Apparently they have to pay to go. I thought it was weird her husband wanted to go tho, usually it's teenagers - wonder why?!🤭
I'm here for more of your non-MLM content (probably because MLMs boil my blood so much I'd probably burst into flames listening to a whole video about one, lol) but this type of round up was a great way to get exposure to that content without having to commit to a full video with a single focus. I really liked this video and would definitely watch more of them.
It doesn’t feel like a job because you don’t get paid! 😂 Doesn’t it seem like a lot of the people who get into these companies are using them for therapy? What a great way of showing people how these people end up in these MLMs.
Great point...they should probably see a therapist (and I say that with zero condescension) or some kind of mental health specialist because they're clearly not well. Hopping from MLM to MLM and not being able to see how they're all the same is worrying. Or, we get that person who is so dang close to realizing that the only way to "succeed" is to get in early, but doesn't connect the dots with how truly messed up that is. By their own accidental admission, nobody on the bottom levels will ever succeed, which makes being there a very hopeless and depressing situation.
My goodness, I thought these MLM defenders were so much happier than the rest of us. Why are they such angry and profane souls? YEESH! I'll take working a corporate job or starting a LEGITIMATE business over an MLM any day!
SO called legitimate businesses fail all the time. So why are so many large corporations closing stores across America? Businesses fail for many reasons.
That first woman who was taking her hands off the wheel and not paying attention to the road for 8 seconds is the reason why I prefer taking trains lmao.
It seems like the biggest idea MLMs sell is the idea that you'll stick it to everybody who's ever wronged you. By making yourself seem important with more expensive clutter, a relaxing and rich life (which is illusion), and by having all these things, you've somehow become a superior lifeform to the rest of us losers. Then you'll finally feel some self-worth. A person can be simple, poor (by their standards), and minimalistic, and be happy.
Even though I know the passionate, angry people are likely addressing something deeper and more personal than we know of it still makes me upset and nauseous to hear them rant and carry on. Thank you for doing all the hard work to present this to us Hannah, I couldn't handle it!
I work a job that prioritizes and teaches safe driving practices and I took a course last week from UC San Diego’s safe driving program where I believe they said the average text takes something like 8 seconds to write and send (apologies if that’s wrong). Then we watched a video of an accident that was caused by distracted driving. They only showed us the first 8 seconds to demonstrate that while it doesn’t seem like a long time, it can be the difference between life and death at highway speeds. When you pointed out that the rep had taken her hands off the wheel and looked away from the road for 8 seconds, I immediately got reminded of the video we watched. It’s the type of imagery that sticks with you… I was horrified to think she was risking not only her life, but the lives of everyone else on the road to yell at her phone about an alleged pyramid scheme.
As a 70+ Boomer, I take a lot of strolls down memory lane listening to your channel. Until I started listening to the deep dives and horror stories I just thought mlm’s were just home sales. As you can imagine I have attended more than a few mlm “parties”. I am sad that I inadvertently supported this business model. I’m older, and now much wiser. It would be nice if this insane business model would just fade away. Not likely but hopefully your education style will keep some from being preyed upon and sucked in.
When you said that womans video was nsfw for language, I thought, "How bad could it be?" WOW clearly, I wasn't thinking far enough. That was so unhinged and embarrassing. I'm not surprised she's moved on. I wouldnt want anyone to ever see that video again.
Love your empathy❤ it’s so important to remember that even though we disagree with these reps, we can disagree with grace and wish them the best even while calling out the problematic behavior.
Omfg the irony of the MLM woman in the car ranting about not supporting small businesses and going to big companies who are greedy omg I can’t it’s like some kind of a comedy skit 😂😂 she’s just mad she isn’t making any money right now cause the ‘boss babe’ who recruited her promised she would make 10,000 dollars this month and get gifted a brand new car 😂
Also I’m an actual small business owner (handmade skincare) and I hate on MLMS because they are so unethical and support the big greedy CEOS not the hardworking people who built their business from the ground up and anyone who works for these MLMS is supporting that business model! I just don’t understand how they can’t grasp it 😂
Unrelated sort of, but when you said "people think it's the company when it's the whole field" that really struck a chord with me. I was in advertising and I had that exact mindset, I kept moving from company to company hoping it would be better before finally I realised oh, this whole field is rotten. I really hope people are smarter than me and actually evaluate all this sooner!
I'm a potty mouth but I think she was doing TOO MUCH. Like, when you try to put some salt in your cooking and the top falls off and a whole bunch pours in. Maybe that's why she's so salty. 😉
You did a good thing by submitting the report! Anyone can make a report to professional/licensing boards, and you don't have to actually be a patient/customer/etc. of that person. Often, loved ones and other 3rd parties are the ones that recognize the issues, as they're a step removed from situation. At the very least, the board will have this behavior on file, so if/when others make similar reports, they will be more able to build a case to investigate. I'm a mental health therapist and frequently educate my clients about their rights, especially related to medical/mental health treatment.
as a doctor, he knows damn well that wandering is a very very common symptom found in many with dementia. The grandfather given the Amare snakeoil was just exhibiting a classic dementia symptom. my mother suffered from dementia the last few years of her life, and I was responsible for her care - I would NEVER have given her something not okayed and prescribed by her specialist, that had been RIGOUROUSLY tested for years prior. not something I could buy from Stacey next door
This was fascinating and not at all surprising that most of them have left their original multi level marketing ventures. Keep it coming! Happy Belated Mother's Day!
You did such a good job of avoiding the malicious 'I told you so' tone that this kind of update could turn into. Your demeanor is a wonderful reminder to be kind to others and the good feelings that compassion can engender. Thanks, Hannah!!
Also, as the Anti MLM community/movement gets louder & louder, these MLM's are even more likely to go under, move away from the MLM side of the business or get shut down by the FTC. So for any reps for any MLM who may be reading these comments. It would be a good idea to have a back up plan for in case either of these happen to the company(ies) your with
The wedding day one reminds me again of what you were saying how these MLM make you do things you wouldn't ordinarily do, which, looking back, I think I experienced from someone. My single encounter with an MLM was someone trying to recruit me and we went for coffee and she invited this man (who, I assume, was her upline manager or something, in hindsight) to talk to me about the company and she started singing his praises and eventually getting tearful when she mentioned that he had just come from his own divorce proceedings to get to this meeting with me. I did not know what to say and was baffled by the fact that he was here right now to recruit me after such an event. I think that is some odd behaviour that an MLM brings out in people, it's crazy Thank you for all you do, Hannah, this information and sentiment towards MLMs needs to be more widely spread- they are cultish traps for the vulnerable
Do not directly attack "the business". Ask them how are they doing financially, are they keeping tabs of money in, money out, tangible profits and marketing expenses. This approach might take long but in the long run, they'll see that mlms (all of them) are bad for business. Teach them tools to protect themselves.
Just send her Hannah's deep dive (pretty sure she did one on DT) it's very educations so it's hey I saw this informational video playing devils advocate on MLM's
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Hey! Just so you know, Jen luv actually posted a new update video a few days ago about beauty counter. Beauty counter sent out a letter for only the top two ranks saying that they can go to Arbonne and Arbonne will help with their income... Or some weird stuff like that. I think specifically they call that a soft place to land. But they only offered it to their top two ranks, no one else below them
I do want to point out the irony of this issue w your video on YT- it’s has a parallel with the MLM people in regard to being your own boss. The MLM sellers can loose their entire business if the MLM changes the terms or compensations & there is nothing they can do. The same goes for for people who make a living off of YT/IG/TT- a change to the algorithms can turn a successful channel into a failure, MADE UP complaints by people who don’t like you or are your competition can report you on made up stuff up & basically harass you to sabotage your content. The social media companies tend to side with the complaint even when it’s ridiculous then make it REALLY HARD to rectify issue based on a lie & the creators just have to accept it. Don’t forget if someone is able to hack your account & change your PW. There is nothing you can do & now have all your subscribers & everything you worked so hard to buildis gone in seconds
@@KwazyKupkakes I thought exactly the same. Social Media and platforms raising their "Look, we got a social media superstar here, YOU cAn Do iT tOo"... and if you don't it's totally your fault, huh ;)
I'd love a deep dive info what happened to a company/mlm called Color By Amber. It wasn't huge huge. But they jist suddenly shut down, and if what they were doing to make their products is true. They didn't just rip income away from reps. But they were hiring women in 3rd world countries, giving them decent wages and heath care (I'm guessing that was also unsustainable), but if it's all true, all those ladies in struggling countries, who finally had a regular decent income coming in lost all that too.
Hey! I recently started watching your videos and all I’ve seen where child friendly so I was wondering if there was a reason behind why there’s an age restriction on your content. This is the first video of yours I’ve seen with this, and I’m just wondering if it’s actually something I should avoid or something dumb cuz yt did give me a warning for a “inappropriate comment” when I just asked what music someone used.
As an elder millennial, the “where are they now?” Content will never get old
"Where are they now" and "Pop up video" need to make a comeback
Gen X here and I'm here for it as well 🙂
As a fetus in my mothers womb, the content will never get old for me either
Right??! I'm here for it!
@@sabrinahohenberger8048Pop up videos! 😀😀
The "mortgage bonus" thing will always be funny to me. Believe it or not, my regular job *also* pays my mortgage.
"That cashier makes $15 an hour" THAT'S THE POINT. Most MLM sellers would DREAM of making that much.
And when they go home for the day, work doesn't follow! I only take "menial" jobs now. I refuse to have a job that takes over the mental space where my peace should be.
Exactly! Also, I hate when people punch down at workers who take on non-office jobs. Those people are just as important as every office worker, if not more-so (we all need to do groceries and buy clothes!!)
Love this and I actually want to know how that black t shirt lady was doing with all her post it notes.
TARGETS A PYRAMID. Holy fuck was that likenofbthought NOT thought out. I don't love that she wasn't successful and undoubtedly lost a connection of money, but I'm also grateful she seems to have seen the light.
Legit had someone I know tell me, excitedly, that they had made $340. I was like "oh, just this week?" like okay if this was a part time that wouldn't be bad in a week. They then responded "oh no, for the month". I had to really stone face that. They push the product daily, go to events, buy equipment to set up, spend hours selling, host live events, ect....for maybe $340 a month?
If I took my child to their pediatrician and was offered products to purchase from an MLM I would immediately remove my child from their care.
And never be too "shy" to alert the medical board of things like that!
The facility I work at would say "Buh-bye" to that provider!! Tell their boss!
@@hashtagmatesadly this guy is still selling that shit even after being reported so don’t know what the board needs to see if stuff not approved by the relevant authorities is still given the okay to be sold to patients…
Not me here loving my “corporate job” having paid days off, vacations, hybrid and flexible schedules, insurances AND PAYCHEQUES every two weeks…😂 it’s kinda nice to “be average” lmao
I live in Canada.. I also had almost a year of paid parental leave, for 4 of those moths, my employer pitched in so I had 100% of my salary. Big Bad Corpo is so evil....
@@sandrillon_h I am in Canada too! 😍
Right! The way those ladies, especially Monat, get on their high horse and yap about how terrible 9-5 jobs are. LOL girlfriend that’s called security. I love my job, it’s 9-5 is easy and very flexible. I also don’t know why every Monat chick brags about how much money they make, literally telling social media they make millions $$, although i don’t believe it. The “freedom” they preach about is so annoying. One chick in my area says nearly every day “i retired my husband” as in now she makes enough money for the both of them & she’s such a boss babe. 😳 how embarrassing.
Right! I don't have to work on vacation, still getting paid but I can talk to who ever I want to and stay off social media and get to live in the moment!
I also love my job lol I can take however many or what ever day off I need in case of emergencies
SAME. I work remotely full time and have literally never had so much time freedom in my life. I can shower on lunch, toss in laundry when I get up from my desk, etc. There is structure to my day and I do have to hold myself accountable for getting my work done, but nothing crazy.
ETA: I also got to choose my own schedule and they're pretty flexible if I've got to change it up. Just an added bonus.
Green sweater lady reminds me of that quote, that goes something like 'no one is angrier than someone who is guilty of what you've accused them of'.
A hit dog hollers
"The people at Target are only making $15 an hour!!" Yeah... they're getting paid for their time... I'm a part time minimum wage worker myself, and looking at MLM compensation plans makes me feel like a millionaire compared to the 90% of earners 😭
Also they get paid for their down time as well. It’s not like they are paid only as they actively scan items
Exactly! This comparison is crazy to me! It's like yeah, they get paid $15 an hour whether or not you buy something! Whereas MLM huns ONLY get paid if someone buys something! The lack of critical thinking is insane!
It’s wild cause I know these people are fed this idea that making money at a target job is bad because once your hours are up the money stops. They like the idea of constantly making money and never having to stop but the problem is….thats not happening in mlms lol
That woman screeching in her car without touching the steering wheel or looking at the road becoming a teacher makes me worried
I think she may have been somewhat impaired by drugs or alcohol at that time. Scary to think of that rage + impairment, driving a car at highway speeds.
To me it looks like she’s in the back of a car. I was thinking that she’s probably in an Uber and the driver is like 🤔
Also, the rage? Imagine that being unleashed on a child.
That was super unhinged, but sometimes people in desperate situations act out of character (paired with the delusions fed through the mlm). She might not really be a bad person
@skyonrye definitely not, you can see the sun visor if front of her, and the second handlebar behind her. Shes totally driving. It's terrifying.
Nobody feels the need to yell at strangers when things are going well. It's defensive and clearly indicates they are deeply insecure about what they are doing.
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As a former MLM rep (Doterra) I thank you for your content. It still triggers a lot of shame for me sometimes when I watch your videos, but you’re also helping me see my past self with compassion. I was lied to and pressured by my friends to do a “business” even though all I wanted was to use the oils for myself and my family. But my up line put people in my down line and then pressured me and guilted me into doing the business because I had a “responsibility” now…😢 I’m not a good salesperson. I refuse to pressure people into spending money they don’t have, and I refused to leverage personal relationships for profit, so I was not successful. They took advantage of my good nature and my need for income for my family (I was a stay at home mom). Sigh. So much waste.
I don’t think you have anything to feel shame about. The people who pressured you are the ones who acted without compassion. You sound like a really good person ❤
Every human being makes mistakes, so don’t beat yourself up for being human. You ‘saw the light’ and realized that MLMs, like cults, use shame and guilt to keep people drinking the koolaide. Be happy that you were able to move past that. Sending hugs from Texas.
If anything, I'd say these videos prove that even if you DID pressure people to buy stuff or leverage your personal relationships, you STILL wouldn't have been successful! I hope these videos can relieve some of that shame. Your loving choices toward your family and friends not only preserved your relationship, but also had no negative effect on your "business" despite what your upline told you. It's not your fault that the MLM designed to make 99% of people fail was unsuccessful.
I feel so much shame too, and it’s been a few years since I got out of this crazy world/cult!
I wanted to comment because I hope you understand, you did not fail because you are not a good salesperson. You failed because the system is built for 96% of people to fail in order for the top of the pyramid to make money off your hard work. I hope you are doing well!
This isn't to excuse their behavior even a little bit, but it makes sense to me that first lady (and others) was feeling so angry, especially after learning that she ended up quitting so soon after she posted that video. She saw the end coming and that probably scared her. Fear often leads us to lash out in anger. I hope she's found peace. I always appreciate your grace with people, Hannah.
Anger can be is a coverup emotion for something else going on in life after all
That's such a great perspective!
She just seemed angry and unhinged because people were not agreeing with her beliefs about her company. Those MLM people constantly hound people about buying something and they get really annoyed when you don’t join.
@@JenJenCoco They're annoyed because they're desperate. As we just saw, when they swear up and down that they're doing amazing, they usually aren't.
That's why her channel is my favorite anti-MLM channel. She extends such grace to the women (mainly) who are roped into this way of life. She attacks the companies not the person. That's unless it's indefensible like the woman livestreaming on the way to a funeral.
Oh, definitely more. "Where are they now?" videos. This was sooooo good
What I think is so funny about MLM Huns is the idea that nobody is allowed to just want a stable job that pays the bills, has benefits, stable hours and allows for a comfortable work/life balance 😂like some people just wanna go and do their job from 9-5 and then go home and not have to think about work
Yes, they all want their reps to leave their secure jobs to ‘work their business’ full time. It’s insane, especially following now that so many are sinking ships! Monat is on their way down.
Let's not forget also that MLM reps don't qualify for unemployment when their company shuts down, since they were only 1099 independent contractors!
Oof.
I had no Idea.
Exactly they're salespeople with even worse benefits and protections.
PRECISELY! It's a point I came to the comments to make sure was covered. MLMs DON'T contribute to unemployment insurance because they don't actually hire the sellers. When sellers leave or the MLM goes belly up, they get NOTHING. There's no safety net.
Dang, I didn’t even think about that 🤦♀️
Does anyone remember Hannah being so excited for 100k subs and now she has triple that only months later??? So happy for you, Hannah!!
I have a child with a chronic illness who almost died. This doctor makes me sick. He exploits the desperation of parents who simply want to see their children healthy or in better condition. This is really disgusting.
I wish he'd lose his medical license. I know that seems extreme but what he's doing is against medical practices. I'm so sorry to hear about your child.
@@janejones7638 I agree with you. This man should not be a doctor and try to sell his "snake oil" BS to people.
Dear Woman in vid at min 42, You don't have to have oils help you get thru a day. I have joy in my heart, not hair, hope in my heart, not on my wrist, and tranquility comes from peace I have and the trauma can be healed. I sound like some kind of Jesus freak. I am not, but I have so much hope from words from scriptures and music that always playing very softly in my dwelling. You don't even have to read scriptures. Just Google scripture art and the prettiest, most meaningful scriptures will be in your heart forever. No oil can do that. It won't wash or wear off and it is free, you don't have to buy it. That stuff is temporary, use it if you must, until you get some pretty scripture art into that caring heart that you have. Buying trauma healing, joy, hope and tranquility via like is a lie from someone who wants your money. I have my own things that I need to get a grip on, like I need to stop going to Target because it's all so cute, but those joy, hope and tranquility words just stuck to me because those are gifts given to you.
I meant my comment to be in the regular comments, but I am sleeeeepy, that's my excuse😅
The "happy hormone" and "happy juice" is so fucked up, too.
“I know I’m sounding really harsh and abrasive” = very kind and gentle reality check ❤️
Just noticed something entirely random. When you're listening to the screaming/angry Boss Babes, your kitty jumps up as if to comfort you! 😻 lol so cute
I noticed that about the kitty as well, in other videos, he 'talks' then nudges, the best kind of cat❤
Totally thought the same (and I don’t care for the cat, but that was sweet).
😭 I'm certifiably a crazy cat lady lol
@@ShelbyRiemer nothing wrong with that! 🤗
He's blocking the bad vibes.
As a mental health professional, I’m really glad you took the steps to stop this pediatrician posting and report him for very unethical behavior. 😊 You are an Amazon!❤
Thank you for your service in mental health ❤
"The company pays for my car/house!" is getting so old because AS IT F0CKING SHOULD, IT IS YOUR JOB AFTER ALL 😂 Where do huns think other working people get money to pay for their living costs if not from the companies that they are either employees or owners of?
YES EXACTLY. reminds me of the Monat girlies w their "company cards" being like "my job bought me dinner!!" like babe it's called spending your paycheck ppl do this all the time.
Exactly! I can afford my rent, my car, my food, and all of my other bills with the money I make from my job. My job also offers free college. My brother in law got his master’s degree through my employer and now has a fancy federal job that pays really well. I’m planning to get my master’s too (just need to find the time)!
here's the thing. To me, there was a desperation and relief in her voice that was heart breaking. When she's talking about the mortgage bonus, at one point she loses her breath, for no apparent reason. It looked to me that was a silent panic attack (I've had them, you 100% lose your breath like someone's just punched you in the guts) I think she was at that point in absolute dire straits moneywise and this company just offered what must have felt like a last minute reprieve from homelessness. And that's probably why she's in a 5th wheel now. The bonus wasn't real, of course, and she did lose her house and probably everything. She's the only one in this video who I even felt remotely sorry for. I don't think she was trying to sell or recruit, I think she was maybe on her last leg and this was the only hope she had left.
And I might watch this again, I BET she spent the money that was supposed to pay the mortgage, thinking she was getting a huge check...or maybe that was someone else's house and she always lived in the camper.
The company doesn’t “pay for” your car unless you have a company car or a car reimbursement. And it doesn’t “pay for” your house.
It pays YOU. You spend your money.
The Lavelle rep going on about her mortgage and car bonus checks.
Babe, my full time job also covers my rent and my car payment. Isn’t that wild?!
that pediatrician is SO unethical. this should be illegal. I would report him to whatever state board he is certified, this is so unacceptable.
I’m so annoyed that he both still practices and still shills amare
I would assume he could easily be sued for medical malpractice if anything happens given that Doctors are supposed to use evidence based practice. It's considered medical negligence at least, maybe harder to argue intentionally reckless. Medical fraud for selling unnecessary products also seems like a possibility?
I have to believe he knows to an extent how all those products won’t do anything….since he didn’t quit his practice and just go full time with the mlm. I guarantee his excuse to himself and if he gets in trouble is “I’m just offering it as a suggestion…if a parents goes to the extreme with it that’s their fault not mine” which is bull because of course most parents will listen to their kids doctor though anti vax docs exist so…ugh
Even if he never sold to patients he can make so many sales from his social media as he gets💯credibility being a Dr
@@KwazyKupkakes there are Amare Huns shrillng their mlms on threads using doctors like this idiot as a boost to “prove” their products are “doctor recommended” and I shared Hannah’s video on Amare. Hun responded “so you don’t support a woman run small business ?” I said I don’t support ANYONE in an mlm. She posted on a post about motherhood and I think loss. Typical hun behavior and she didn’t waste a minute to share about her products that would work….
I AM THE FAMILY OF THAT SECOND WOMAN---"DON'T GET MAD AT US BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BUY YOUR MESS! YOU CAN CURSE ALL YOU WANT--WE STILL NOT BUYING IT"!!! AND BY THE WAY--IF THEY HAVE A CURSING DETOX---TRY THAT"!
I’ve worked in one of those big box warehouse for almost 30 years. I will retire a millionaire due to investing in my 401k. I have over a month of paid time off. Do I make CEO money, no. But I’m a clerical, not a CEO. I also don’t have to recruit other clericals to do my job. I don’t have to bother my friends and family to buy products. Our warehouse donates so much food to our local food banks that we kept them going during the pandemic. I’m proud of that. Big box can help the local communities we are in.
And what the restricted vocabulary woman says about “finally being on vacation and making money” … does she not know most full-time jobs have paid leave? We care for our sick parents while making even more money than she does and while GENUINELY doing nothing. She still needs to post content and get on zoom calls, so she primarily lives on her phone and does the rest (vacation, recover from sickness, help family members) on the side
Love how compassionate you are towards to these women while also exposing how predatory these companies are.
"You are Anti-helping people!" Wow, that woman is delusional. Hannah is the one actually helping people by warning them about these stupid scams
I should have finished listening, sounds like she moved on best you can tell but it does just show people how those caught up in the middle of these are brain washed while in it
I was in a legit cult for 27years. Many people involved were also involved in many different mlms. I even sold Mary Kay at one point. I know others who were in different cults where lots of people were also involved in mlms.
I can tell you, mlms are cults and the reason they appeal to so many cult members is that the thinking and tactics are the same. Most of them also heavily use religious language.
I'm so glad I finally got out of all that bs.
Mary Kay, Tupperware.. nine million others that were big when I was growing up was extremely common amongst the women in our religion. They never lasted too long since Jehovah’s Witnesses were not allowed to do anything that even remotely resembled hanging out or spending time with those outside if the religion so these things would come and go fairly quick since there were so many within the religion selling and they ran out of other women to reel in.Uhg I’m not in the religion left at 23 and never been into the mlm’s thank goodness. Though my mom did sell Mary Kay and another similar makeup during the 80’s-90’a in there somewhere and she got into Tupperware for a min there too.
I am a psychologist with a strong interest in cults. Until about a year ago, I had no idea of the enormous parallels between MLMs and cults, and I have found your channel extremely educational. It is one thing to read about MLMs and another to see, firsthand, the behavior of MLMs reps. "in the wild". I suspect that, due to cognitive dissonance, many of these reps lose more money than they admit to because they are embarrassed. The levels of deception in MLMs and cults are many layered and are based upon exploitation. The only people who financially thrive in cults and MLMs are the top of the pyramid or the cult leader. Everything else is smoke and mirrors designed to extract revenue and to exploit free labor.
Happy more and more people are seeing these parallels as well. I would also add religion to the parallels, too. Notice how most of those yelling the loudest about their MLM's are also usually dropping some kind of religious line (the woman in the video about going to the funeral and thr green sweater woman are perfect examples of this). MLM confrences also usually have a strong religious presence and may even have church services. It's extremely intertwined with a lot of MLM's, that then begin to exhibit cult or cult-like behavior.
The MLMs exploit those who are religious but not grounded in the truth of their faith (or at least from a Christian perspective). Unfortunately, there are those who view God as a personal “genie” of sorts whose sole purpose is to give them everything they want; therefore, they believe God will make them successful in their MLM. It’s a sad shame where the MLM reps aren’t the only ones being exploited. @@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley
I don't know where it was, yes I do, Jordan and McKay have an episode of MLMs on their channel, Maybe a few that will be with your viewing. They have inside knowledge.
I was thinking that as well, the part about it being just like organized religion.
You should read Cultish by Amanda Montell, if you haven't yet!
It's so funny when people say "It's not a scam, look at me!" because even SOME people in Ponzi schemes DO get their money back. That doesn't mean it isn't a scam.
There is actually a subtle difference between a Ponzi scheme (traditional pyramid) and an MLM. Ponzi schemes are passive - you hand over your money and wait for your ROI; MLMs require far more investment in terms of additional time and energy to get those returns. And, you're right that, as a result, some Ponzi victims get their money back. It's a surprisingly high percentage compared with what you'd expect. And it's also why MLMs tend to have (with the exception of the seriously big, notable ones like Madoff) more of a shelf life than Ponzis, unfortunately.
My favorite thing about your channel is the fact that you ALWAYS show up with compassion and grace when discussing these scams. That’s a special thing. It shows you really care about helping people, not just making entertainment.
Always so much grace and understanding shown to everyone! The empathy, while also highlighting the scammy mlm world, is such an amazing quality and Hannah is a Queen. 🫅
This is even MORE JUICY than the influencer drama, please do more. Absolutely hands down satisfying. You can also do a where are they now, would you rather die edition, where you review people like Hailey Peters or Amy Bailey who literally screwed their entire lives up by focusing on their mlm to the point there’s death involved. You probably will come up with a more tactful title but there’s much tea to be found.
I want to vomit when my Scentsy or younique posts pop up in my memories 😂 so fricken embarrassing 😳. I did apologize to my friends and family for being in any mlms, for not understanding that I was being manipulative and manipulated, and just straight up said you were right, I was wrong. So many people are incapable of holding themselves accountable.
It doesn't let you delete those posts?
You did yourself a tonne of good by leaving. Bravo 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
it takes a lot to be able to change your mind when you get more information, but being able to apologies is very brave. Well done.
im genuinely so happy for you for leaving and doing the hard work of apologizing to people. ❤ hope youre doing well now!
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley you can, but it takes a lot of time to clean everything up sometimes
I think this where-are-they-now format is the most important to the anti MLM cause - otherwise all anyone sees is the reps at their craziest and 'most successful'. People need to see the reps' failures for the reality of MLMs to really sink in. Keep up the good work! 🥰
Nooooo m'am. I would NEVER EVER put my housing costs in the hands of any MLM
I wouldn't put my daily coffee run costs into the hands of any MLM.
It sounds like when an MLM ""pays for your car"" and we already know how bad of a deal that is
PLEASE make this into a series. A quarterly check/where are they now?
I agree
They way “green sweater lady” says COLLLLEEEGGHHEEEEEUUHHHH is etched into my brain forever 🤣
It reminds me of toddlers when they get whiny. Noooouh I don't want to go to beeeduh.
@@unkemptsnugglepepperlol😂 accurate
I lost my daughter almost 16 years ago and if any of my friends would’ve tried to take that as an opportunity to sell their MLM products I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t have been friends anymore.
Talk about having zero respect for that family and the trauma they went through. I’m shocked how anyone could do something like that.
I’m so sorry
Listening to a doctor refer to a product they push as “happy juice packs” unironically is so unsettling. MLMs use the most ridiculous infantile names for their products and ranks while expecting us to take it seriously
It's such a dangerous name to give a supposedly mood altering product for KIDS
The name sounds like the kind of stuff drug dealers use while peddling their stuff at the back alley. Just... why?
What blows my mind is that so many MLM huns rant and rave in irritation on their social media about all kinds of crap and yet people still want to signup to be on their teams. I would never want to work with someone like that, so what attracts so many people to these huns? I know they aren’t all like that, but many are and I just find it so unprofessional and childish. I would never choose a “mentor” or “coach” like that.
The fact that the pediatrician has been reported before and is still practicing makes me sad
I agree. He should absolutely lose his license. What he’s doing is so bad
It makes me angry!
Genuine question (I'm not in the US!). I was under the impression that doctors in the states got payment for the drugs they prescribe - is that not true? If so I don't really know how you could trust whether ANY treatment they recommend is truly for your benefit? What he's doing is more direct and in your face but is it so much different?
Again, genuine question, the whole thing made me sad and I'm not trying to start any fights!😂
@@idkwhodos2840I also wondered about this too! If so, is it possible that this isn’t considered unethical? Things in the US are so different from where I live.
No, doctors don't get compensation for medications they prescribe. The insurance companies mostly dictate what patients can take and if it'll be paid for. That's not to say that some shady doctors won't take incentives from pharmaceutical reps who approach them with their new medication and ask them to push it. There are regulations surrounding this but can also be hard to track. It just depends how ethical the Dr is.
absolutely loved this video!!!
Someone that I often think about is that mum that gave her kids the choice between a candy and one of the products from the company she was endorsing ( don't remember which one tbh ), and then forced them to quickly eat all lined up in front of the camera as her husband also kept telling them to hurry... absolutely disgusting behaviour, if not literally abusive.
I remember that the older ones chose her product since they were clearly looking for her approval, while the younger kids chose the candy and were then accused of having "self inflicted belly ache" or something - I think she even went as far as blaming their diaper accident on the candy.
Absolutely mental
I get a mortgage bonus every single month too! It’s called a paycheck 😂
42:30 I’m screaming. It’s one thing to say ‘I’m wearing this perfume that brings me comfort’ but then she said THE SALES GOING ON good god help us
Hannah sweetie you NEVER sound harsh or abrasive, you are literally so sweet ❤ happy mother's day and thanks for the video!
So thankful for your character towards these women/ people you are updating on. There’s so much hate online nowadays and I like your videos because you really have a good heart and intention behind your content and its not just about views, engagement and money at the expense of others. ❤
How did i miss the unhinged swearing video the first time....and how did she say she doesn't like mean girls but goes on to be rude AF for 15 min🤔
I loved those videos for that particular reason lol they're out here calling other people ugly, nasty, etc. as if they aren't acting just as, if not more, ugly and nasty LOL
If I knew she was my kid's teacher I wouldn't trust her at all. Filming yourself driving and ranting is so irresponsible and a major breach of common sense.
In my experience, the mean girls from middle school and high school ARE the ones who do MLMs, because the only way you can get people to sign up under you is if you have that "popular girl" quality that people want to join. It's just for adults now. Maybe that's why no one asks me to join their MLMs... I was always the nerdy, socially awkward outcast, which now definately works in my favor! 😂
The pediatrician absolutely infuriates every fiber of my being.
Happy Mother’s Day! ❤
The most supportive father! How cute is this 🥹🥹🥹
@@nadinenaveena5424 I also love how her dad is a “Diamond” member of her channel! So sweet!
so cute 🤍💙🤍
I was listening while in the shower and I heard " green sweater lady " and I'm like "hmm. Sounds familiar. " I opened the curtain to dry off and saw the white tiger shoulders...
And I'm like "OMYGOSH!! The lady who was yelling at her kids "Not now! Mommy's busy!" And the whole time watching I remember thinking her sweater looked like something from Lularoe.😂
Also, Happy Mother's day!!
That last one was heart wrenching to hear. More bc if I was burying my child and found out one of my friends did and said what she did, she’d be dead to me. Wow.
Thank you for putting these together. ❤
The mortgage “bonus” is the scariest thing ever. Needing to rely on hitting a rank that’s unrealistic and bound to fail in order to keep your house and car is terrifying. That’s the quickest way to completely sabotage your financial stability
These car bonus keep ppl buying the monthly minimums- this was what happened with the pink Cadillac from Mary Kay. They can’t get the bonus if they loose their levels so often they pay out the money to get bonus so it’s a wash- they break even
@@KwazyKupkakesExactly, with the MLM you end up paying yourself to keep a car/mortgage you can’t afford with your spouses income but you’re not breaking even because you’re paying taxes for any bonus and “income” you made. You end up losing money even though it looks like you’re making money on your taxes (the mlm sends in your income directly to the irs including bonuses, trips, gifts as taxable income). Some months you’re probably nowhere near hitting your rank, so you end up spending way more than you would for just a modest car loan. A car repo is devastating. A home foreclosure is catastrophic
Since this video got age restricted I liked it and commented to maybe help with the algorithms. This is helpful and educational content and helps people to be aware of MLM scams.
I knew a girl in college that was a HUGE Monat person -- I just checked up on her and anything Monat has been completely scrubbed from her profiles. I was genuinely concerned for her, glad she found her way out.
A MOMENT OF SILENCE lol Hannah you are so understatedly funny
11:06 people should never, ever film while driving. What could they possibly be saying that’s so important that they can’t just wait until they get to where they’re going
OMG is she on the INTERSTATE
12:20 both hands off the wheel???!!!!!!
When people get online to rant on a video… I hope they find more helpful/stabilizing coping mechanisms in the future. Let’s all start journaling these feelings instead of posting them publicly
She is in the passenger seat.
@@noeraldinkabam I don’t think so. but we can have different opinions on it.
@@noeraldinkabam still screaming in someones ear.
The way the second MLM rep is now working at her local school and is claiming to be a future teacher is horrifying. Imagine someone so unhinged to be a teacher.. the future of teachers and kids are grim
Everything we post online can be dug up. Any potential future employer can search for social media accounts. It terrifies me for all the teens and young adults who post multiple videos and pics daily, because they are out there forever. It’s not even that they are doing anything wrong, but can be seen a certain way by an employer and could mean an offer of employment or a decline! Social media can be so powerful for the right reasons, but so much negativity comes from it too.
@@thestillnesscreative540 exactly. They should all have their accounts private… but unfortunately, many of the kids want easy fame so ill doubt they’ll do that and think ahead for their future:(
There is another update on this! The top 0.6% have been offered a "safe place to land." What a miracle! From... Arbonne. Hm... Not suspicious at all, right? Jen Luv talked about it again this past Sunday!
Omg I saw this yesterday and I can’t believe how ridiculous that is. I would be so insulted.
Jen's video and the update she included in What's Up in Makeup were so well done. Love Jen!
Yes! I loved her video.
And not to mention what happens to the 99.4% of the “downline” reps being pulled into a saturated MLM.
I’m glad you did a community post to let me know about this video. ❤
But also let's look on the bright side of Beauty Counter ending contracts - "what, I'm no longer getting my $200 per month for working 80 hours a week?!" Noooooooooooo!
Talk about time freedom!
"Time freedom" as in, "I'm giving this MLM company ALL OF MY TIME for free."
It’s a mass liberation
Where are they now are my faves! 👏
Green Sweater Lady was wild but who is bragging about paying off a vehicle SIX YEARS EARLY?! How long is your loan? Unreal. If you’re “making six figures” and you need a 10 year vehicle loan mayyyyyybe you’re living far beyond your means. 🤔
if her cost of living is too high its probably bc of her man. she literally paid for his "mission trip" and new truck.
@@zk6019 what was this 'mission trip' pray tell me please
Good point!😅
@@sushreeshashwata Apologies if I get this wrong but I think it's a Mormon/LDS thing. Only know that much cos I watched Hannah's video about it yesterday!😅 Apparently they have to pay to go. I thought it was weird her husband wanted to go tho, usually it's teenagers - wonder why?!🤭
@@idkwhodos2840 oh no it’s like everything you hear is somehow worse
I'm here for more of your non-MLM content (probably because MLMs boil my blood so much I'd probably burst into flames listening to a whole video about one, lol) but this type of round up was a great way to get exposure to that content without having to commit to a full video with a single focus. I really liked this video and would definitely watch more of them.
It doesn’t feel like a job because you don’t get paid! 😂 Doesn’t it seem like a lot of the people who get into these companies are using them for therapy? What a great way of showing people how these people end up in these MLMs.
It's more like an avoidance to a much bigger problem.
Great point...they should probably see a therapist (and I say that with zero condescension) or some kind of mental health specialist because they're clearly not well. Hopping from MLM to MLM and not being able to see how they're all the same is worrying. Or, we get that person who is so dang close to realizing that the only way to "succeed" is to get in early, but doesn't connect the dots with how truly messed up that is. By their own accidental admission, nobody on the bottom levels will ever succeed, which makes being there a very hopeless and depressing situation.
I'm so thankful you did this. There's no ill will. It's so important To show how the most. Enthusiastic of them. Have quit. That speaks for itself.
My goodness, I thought these MLM defenders were so much happier than the rest of us.
Why are they such angry and profane souls? YEESH!
I'll take working a corporate job or starting a LEGITIMATE business over an MLM any day!
They are just very very very sad that we all don’t want to try they amazing one of the kind MLM crappy products😢
SO called legitimate businesses fail all the time. So why are so many large corporations closing stores across America? Businesses fail for many reasons.
Yeah, and you won’t be nearly as angry!😂
Giving extra love cause of your post about the video restriction ❤
That first woman who was taking her hands off the wheel and not paying attention to the road for 8 seconds is the reason why I prefer taking trains lmao.
ooof, heartbreaking. happy about the ones who made it out
It seems like the biggest idea MLMs sell is the idea that you'll stick it to everybody who's ever wronged you. By making yourself seem important with more expensive clutter, a relaxing and rich life (which is illusion), and by having all these things, you've somehow become a superior lifeform to the rest of us losers. Then you'll finally feel some self-worth.
A person can be simple, poor (by their standards), and minimalistic, and be happy.
This comment needs to be pinned at the top 😂 oh my word, so true.
Even though I know the passionate, angry people are likely addressing something deeper and more personal than we know of it still makes me upset and nauseous to hear them rant and carry on. Thank you for doing all the hard work to present this to us Hannah, I couldn't handle it!
I work a job that prioritizes and teaches safe driving practices and I took a course last week from UC San Diego’s safe driving program where I believe they said the average text takes something like 8 seconds to write and send (apologies if that’s wrong). Then we watched a video of an accident that was caused by distracted driving. They only showed us the first 8 seconds to demonstrate that while it doesn’t seem like a long time, it can be the difference between life and death at highway speeds. When you pointed out that the rep had taken her hands off the wheel and looked away from the road for 8 seconds, I immediately got reminded of the video we watched. It’s the type of imagery that sticks with you… I was horrified to think she was risking not only her life, but the lives of everyone else on the road to yell at her phone about an alleged pyramid scheme.
As a 70+ Boomer, I take a lot of strolls down memory lane listening to your channel. Until I started listening to the deep dives and horror stories I just thought mlm’s were just home sales. As you can imagine I have attended more than a few mlm “parties”. I am sad that I inadvertently supported this business model. I’m older, and now much wiser. It would be nice if this insane business model would just fade away. Not likely but hopefully your education style will keep some from being preyed upon and sucked in.
Good thing I've watched ALL your MLM top fails videos 😉 this is the sequel we all wanted!!
Started calling MLMs virtual sweatshops. It’s going down well
When you said that womans video was nsfw for language, I thought, "How bad could it be?" WOW clearly, I wasn't thinking far enough. That was so unhinged and embarrassing. I'm not surprised she's moved on. I wouldnt want anyone to ever see that video again.
I wasn't really surprised to learn that she went into adult content. Someone talking that way surely has no class left to lose.
@@juliajs1752let’s not shame sex workers yeah?
@@Pippa87I have way more respect for adult entertainers/sex workers than for MLM grifters.
@@Pippa87they bring shame on themselves.
@@daftoptimistamen to that
Wow the doctor selling Amare makes me so mad
"This MLM is the greatest ever... No... wait... this new MLM is the greatest ever... No... wait..." And on it goes.
Love this check in! These should totally be a regular thing 😅 So glad to hear that doctor was held accountable in some way!
LOL their ranks are like like when Michael Scott promoted Dwight Schrute to assistant to the regional manager
Love your empathy❤ it’s so important to remember that even though we disagree with these reps, we can disagree with grace and wish them the best even while calling out the problematic behavior.
Omfg the irony of the MLM woman in the car ranting about not supporting small businesses and going to big companies who are greedy omg I can’t it’s like some kind of a comedy skit 😂😂 she’s just mad she isn’t making any money right now cause the ‘boss babe’ who recruited her promised she would make 10,000 dollars this month and get gifted a brand new car 😂
Also I’m an actual small business owner (handmade skincare) and I hate on MLMS because they are so unethical and support the big greedy CEOS not the hardworking people who built their business from the ground up and anyone who works for these MLMS is supporting that business model! I just don’t understand how they can’t grasp it 😂
Unrelated sort of, but when you said "people think it's the company when it's the whole field" that really struck a chord with me. I was in advertising and I had that exact mindset, I kept moving from company to company hoping it would be better before finally I realised oh, this whole field is rotten. I really hope people are smarter than me and actually evaluate all this sooner!
LOVED this video! I think a future "where are they now? monet huns" would be fantastic 👍🏻🤣
Aggression has never made me consider buying something.
OMG, I'm not by any means a prude, but this girl and her potty mouth was TOO MUCH! Thank you for that moment of silence, I needed it! 😂😂😂
She's going to be a 'future teacher' in what?? 🫤
I'm a potty mouth but I think she was doing TOO MUCH. Like, when you try to put some salt in your cooking and the top falls off and a whole bunch pours in.
Maybe that's why she's so salty. 😉
😂 Also ‘If I wanted your man I’d take him?’ Classy. Reeks of confidence and self respect 🙄lol😂
@@jnm.624 I thought that was a different former rep.
Her "make you sw*ll*w it" comment suggests (at least to me) that there's more going on. I hope she's in a healthy relationship.
You did a good thing by submitting the report! Anyone can make a report to professional/licensing boards, and you don't have to actually be a patient/customer/etc. of that person. Often, loved ones and other 3rd parties are the ones that recognize the issues, as they're a step removed from situation. At the very least, the board will have this behavior on file, so if/when others make similar reports, they will be more able to build a case to investigate. I'm a mental health therapist and frequently educate my clients about their rights, especially related to medical/mental health treatment.
as a doctor, he knows damn well that wandering is a very very common symptom found in many with dementia. The grandfather given the Amare snakeoil was just exhibiting a classic dementia symptom. my mother suffered from dementia the last few years of her life, and I was responsible for her care - I would NEVER have given her something not okayed and prescribed by her specialist, that had been RIGOUROUSLY tested for years prior. not something I could buy from Stacey next door
This was fascinating and not at all surprising that most of them have left their original multi level marketing ventures. Keep it coming! Happy Belated Mother's Day!
I wonder if one of their coaching instructions is "make an angry video - be like your most Kali self, people love that."
hahahahah
Absolutely love a good follow up story! Glad to hear the doctor was reported and some action was taken!!
You did such a good job of avoiding the malicious 'I told you so' tone that this kind of update could turn into. Your demeanor is a wonderful reminder to be kind to others and the good feelings that compassion can engender. Thanks, Hannah!!
This was SUCH a fascinating video, pls do more!!
Also, as the Anti MLM community/movement gets louder & louder, these MLM's are even more likely to go under, move away from the MLM side of the business or get shut down by the FTC.
So for any reps for any MLM who may be reading these comments. It would be a good idea to have a back up plan for in case either of these happen to the company(ies) your with
The wedding day one reminds me again of what you were saying how these MLM make you do things you wouldn't ordinarily do, which, looking back, I think I experienced from someone. My single encounter with an MLM was someone trying to recruit me and we went for coffee and she invited this man (who, I assume, was her upline manager or something, in hindsight) to talk to me about the company and she started singing his praises and eventually getting tearful when she mentioned that he had just come from his own divorce proceedings to get to this meeting with me. I did not know what to say and was baffled by the fact that he was here right now to recruit me after such an event. I think that is some odd behaviour that an MLM brings out in people, it's crazy
Thank you for all you do, Hannah, this information and sentiment towards MLMs needs to be more widely spread- they are cultish traps for the vulnerable
i’m so glad even people step out of MLM. yes, you may have hurt people on the way, but ultimately no one deserves to be taken advantage of.
these people are unhinged. I have a friend here in Japan who has gotten into Doterra and I'm trying to figure out how to tell her.
Do not directly attack "the business". Ask them how are they doing financially, are they keeping tabs of money in, money out, tangible profits and marketing expenses. This approach might take long but in the long run, they'll see that mlms (all of them) are bad for business. Teach them tools to protect themselves.
Just send her Hannah's deep dive (pretty sure she did one on DT) it's very educations so it's hey I saw this informational video playing devils advocate on MLM's
Ooh, that would be a great video, like are Ather countries doing MLMs and if so, what are they like, etc.
@@spunkycat6144 so far I’ve seen Dottera, Amway, lulumon (not necessarily an MLM but the ceo is hella racist).
Yes please! More like this. Was happy to see that doctor is no longer posting about Amare.
Literally who but a mean girl is going to threaten to steal someone's man out of nowhere
Definitely want to see follow-ups like this. Even better than the originals, I'm a way, because we can see how it turned out.