Non-duality teacher John Wheeler, student of Sailor Bob Adamson of Melbourne Non-duality, was at a funeral. About the dead person someone told Wheeler "No more Presence for him!" Wheeler replied "That's from your perspective, not his."
Hari Om ! When we say someone died, the body has lost its ability to conduct the life since it has perished. Since we, each person around is identifying himself/herself with his/her respective body+mind setup(as I am), we have the habit of telling the death of a body as the death of the person. It is an error of mixing two levels of "order of realities"(purusha and prakriti) and say "person died" for the body's death. In another view point it's not wrong to respect kshetra even though kshetragnya(purusha) is no more active in the kshetra(prakriti) which is declared as dead. It is simply a way of addressing. It is like the bulb is fused but electricity is intact. One thing to be noted.... If I take myself as this body+mind setup then I die when this body+mind is dead (for me nothing exists after death). If I am clear that I am not this body+mind setup then whatever happens to this (kshetra, prakriti) is not a significant issue for the "I". When a bulb fuses it is not a topic of discussion for the electricity which was keeping it alive so far.
Almost all explanations are a comparison to our everyday life, wakeful state. As if this reality is the only one that's significant, and the most fundamental. That is how we treat it at least. The other important aspect is that we are using this reality to comprehend something else, a different existence. But we can only do so using the faculties of our reality. So our point of view can only be this reality. Another analogy for this is, using a lower state of consciousness to understand a higher state. Any understanding will only be a form of the lower state. In actuality there is no higher or lower, more or less fundamental, it's just variations in cognition.
@@PureAeternum Yes I agree **Enlightenment as per Advaita vision can be summarised as given below**
If enlightenment happens to you in this life itself, only then you can realise the freedom thereby you can experience that all pleasure/pain are utterly meaningless. But If enlightenment happens in the next birth then that enlightenment is not yours, it is for somebody with some other body+mind (what is the use !) So it is wise to get enlightened now & here such that you realise that you were never bound and there is no necessity for a liberation because as per Advaita vision as such no one is bound and hence no one needs to get liberated also. This state of "BUDDHI" one should achieve through a systematic SELF ENQUIRY, in this life itself ! Ultimately BUDDHI is the agent for binding or liberation. If it gets settled then the game comes to an end. How to diagnose whether the BUDDHI has reached the state of liberation? Buddhi can itself keep on monitoring these two parameters within ! 1. Absence of sense of doership & enjoyer ship (kartrutwa & bhoktrutwa bhava) in it. 2. Absence of me & mine syndrome (dehaatma bhava) in it. If both are zero in the psycho then it indicates that the buddhi is resting in its Abode(Paramatma) comfortably.
Kshetra is quality and not prakriti, which stands for material. Don't get excited thinking your body as bulb and your consciousness as electricity as electricity is not perennial and needs to be generated by generator.
@@sanjoyghose1952 Don't take the metaphor verbatim. Please mean in the following manner(This is told by Swami Chinmayananda) If the bulb has a "buddhi" then that buddhi must realise that Electricity is the Atma(Sathya vastu/ Purusha) and all the others in the electrical appliances world are Anaatma(mithya/prakriti). We should NOT stretch this example further (in any direction). No metaphor will be wrong as long as it is not stretched as per our own idea. Metaphors should be handled carefully and dispensed carefully!
Gods Shiva Vishnu Brahma Devi Hanuman etc are those who have already realised themselves as Brahman and then they are manifesting their divine powers in reality.
Purusha is the Atman un-manifested. Prakriti is the Atman manifested. Being the subtlest of the subtle Purusha cannot be known with the mind, body or senses. However with intense sadhana a person can become one with the Purusha in a super conscious state . 🙏
@@sca8217You would do well to remember that all FUNDAMENTAL laws of the PUREST of MODERN SCIENCES are HYPOTHESIS of visionary scientists based on EMPIRICAL EXPERIENCE & OBSERVATION with measurements where possible, and they are ALWAYS waiting to be SUPERCEDED by a BETTER hypothesis when any empirical experience VIOLATES the existing hypothesis. THIS is how Newton's laws were superceded by Einstein's theory of relativity when the former did NOT work with heavenly bodies. Now, Einstein's theories are waiting to be superceded by a better "theory of everything" covering Quantum phenomena. In short, YOU can only EXPERIENCE this Vedantic reality yourself (rarely happens without taking the path of an ascetic under the guidance of a guru) if & when you are blessed😌
Swamiji from my own experience I can say that when I sleep I cant experience external world at all because my senses are not interacting with external world. In dreams I have experience because my mind but in deep sleep I don't have any experience though I am there it just mean I can't have any experience without body and mind though I exist. Body is instrument for experience like if experience are not dependent on body then why blind people don't have experience of seeing ??
Thank you so much Swamiji🙏🏽 my wonderful journey began after listening to your first lecture, and subsequently it become a conversation and now hearing your voice itself is an experience 🌹
The Holy Swami is CORRECT! The body is a HOST for “I AM” It is NOT the spirit entity, which is who you REALLY are. “ Birth is not the beginning and physical death is NOT the end”...A Course in Miracles “ When your body, ego and dreams are no more, you will know that you live forever”...A Course in Miracles Stay blessed, Swami. Robert-
"Ones understanding of "I" could refer to the egoic person (which is just an idea) OR Atma, pure Consciousness, depending on the level of understanding. "I" is a figure of speech ,we must use it to be understood,...hopefully...
Swamiji has any Indian text ever tried to answer the question of why consciousness bothers to make inferior avatars of itself only for them to evolve into human beings only for us to become one with it
It seems to me that all the work done by Spiritualism and related fields of inquiry could be brought to bear on this question. People who have died have, indeed, been interviewed. People have died and have come back to describe the experience. All this evidence indicates that when the body dies, the person remains as they were, except at their best. Physical death is just the outer sheath dropping off. As I understand, death is an opportunity for Moksha. Otherwise, it is just a change of rooms--the person, their personality, their sense of identity, is still there. It's a vacation, a time for reflection, and so-on before the next birth. Really, it's not the big deal we make it because of identifying with the physical body.
Q :- Are we actually die when the body dies ? A :- The body, mind, Consciousness etc are material/Jad (Because, consciousness arises from the body, So when there is no Body there is no Consciousness→SBG 7.4 & 7.5) Generally, when a person is born, he/she associated with the body and by associating with the body ego arises. The ego identifies itself with the body. Thus this ego acquires a name, form, qualities etc. When I alive, the feeling of my presence is always there. Like I am writing, I am listening music, I am doing this, I am doing that, I am an engineer, I am a scientist etc etc. From Vedanta I know that my true nature is pure consciousness, the Sachidanand Atma and this body, mind, ego etc are belong to prakrati which generally at the time of death perishes. So when the body dies mind, thought, ego, intellect etc also die. But, when I understand my true nature as Atmān my consciousness becomes pure and thus it stops from false identifications like attaching itself with the body, mind, prakrati, ego etc. So, when the body of an enlightened person dies, the person not dies. Because, the person is no more the body, mind, ego, consciousness, intellect etc. So, what happens is after the death of the body mind, ego, intellect etc all die and the enlightened person remains as pure awareness (aware of it's existence).This pure awareness is very similar to that of Permanent Deep Sleep (You can call it "Turiya") where there is no me or the world, there is just awareness (Forget duality there is not even singularity).
सूक्ष्म शरीर(subtle body) सूक्ष्म शरीर को देखा नहीं जा सकता। इस शरीर में पंच प्राण, पाँच ज्ञानेन्द्रियाँ, मन, बुद्धि और अहंकार शामिल हैं। स्वप्न में आप अपने सभी कार्य इसी शरीर से करते हैं। मृत्यु के समय यह शरीर जीव के साथ चला जाता है ।
I agree, but deep sleep is not experiencing consciousness that can be experienced through having a body and mind to experience it. Remembering my own deep sleep, there is no glory to that general awareness. As they say there is awareness but nothing to see what is interesting in that? Somehow scary and lonely.
Good evening. Why did a Sage like Nisargadatta Maharaj sometimes say that when the physical body dies the I-am also dies? We know that the I-am or consciousness survives the death of the physical body! On other occasions he emphasized samsara and the cycle of birth and death, making it clear that consciousness not only survives the death of the food-body but it can be reborn. How to harmonize this?
@@sarangkumar1658 Thanks for the answer. But we know that the I-ego does not die after the death of the material body. It survives in subtle body form.
Ego dies if we realize our true self that is brahman..You will keep taking birth till you get enlightened..One can also destroy the ego, as mentioned in Shrimad Bhagawt Gita is by selfless actions (Niskam karma)..
Good question. My understanding - based on what I have read about after-death accounts and reincarnation experiences - is that the "I-Consciousness" does not die with the body. The "I" has been likened to a sword and the body to a sheath. When the sword is withdrawn from the sheath, the sheath becomes empty but the sword which is the real essence is very much there. But your question was somewhat different, You were asking how can an entity (another word for consciousness) be reborn if we assume the "I" is dead? The answer seems to be that within all of us there are actually two "I's". One "I" is that associated with our present body and our present embodied personality. This "I" survives the body but gradually fades away out of active consciousness (but remains in the subconscious as memory of the entity). The other "I" - which is the more permanent I - is the sum-total (as it were) of all the "I's" that the soul entity has experienced in the course of its cosmic existence when it has taken birth in different bodies and also possibly in different realms. This permanent "I" is the one that undergoes repeated rebirth until final dissolution when it attains union with the Absolute which is God or Brahman. This explanation appears to serve as a reconciliation of the apparent contradiction you mentioned. Our present "I" survives for a while after physical death; how long it survives is dependent on how attached the soul has been to the physical existence it has just emerged from. For instance, if in my present birth I have been deeply attached to a person or object, after death the chains of that attachment or those attachments will perpetuate my identification with that body and so the "I-ness" of that particular life will endure for a longer time till I discard it and move on. (Incidentally this explains the existence of ghosts who are nothing but earthbound spirits that are trapped within the memories and attachments they formed during a particular lifetime.) Edgar Cayce, the great American mystic and psychic, has said that when we are alive in this earthly realm we actually have three levels of consciousness operating. One is the conscious mind that keeps us going in our day to day life which is totally based on our present embodied existence. The second is the sub-conscious mind that is the storehouse and repository of all our experiences and memories gained hitherto both in the present life and the lives we have undergone in the past (which is the source tapped by past life regression analysts). The third is the Superconscious which is actually the Supreme Consciousness i.e. God or Brahman from Whom we all emerge and to Whom we return. When our physical body dies (says Cayce) our present conscious mind also dies (in due course) and our present subconscious mind becomes - in our disembodied state - the conscious mind for us whilst the Superconscious becomes the Subconscious. In other words death of the body brings us closer to God but not close enough yet to be merged in Him. Apologies for this lengthy and possibly confusing reply.
@@lgopalakrishnan3181 Profound answer. I was about to say it as well. The first "I" referred to here is the Ego that is a consequence of this body and the mind, all of which die when the body dies. The second "I" he has referred to is the Consciousness (keeping aside for a moment, the different schools of philosophies saying it's only one - Advaita - or there is an Individual consciousness & Super consciousness) which is essentially the carrier of Karma leading to birth-death cycles.
Swami ji Maharaj do we attain powers of gods Shiva Vishnu 🙏♥️ and Demi gods like prakat antardhan flying travelling in sky anywhere like parkaya pravesh by adi Shankaracharya by sankalpa by acknowledging realising ourselves as Brahman.
communication is a sensory experience like swami says I infer based on similarity that the inner dialog of another is similar for all... externally we have language ... some similar and somehow we communicate and exchange a fraction of thoughts and emotions... in the moment... but later on the person could have a different set of thoughts and emotions about same context and we wouldn't even know of the change ... e.g. I talk to someone and we collectively think based on XYZ this person is not a good person... but later the other person gained different perspective and has become a devotee of this person...we haven't met them and still hold the common ground regarding person until we recalibrate our thinking when we meet... so physical communication has limitations and is bound by time and space and when we don't meet someone for long so much could have changed in them that at times we feel we are meeting a "new" person body is same software different ... (frequency of exchange plays a role .. time for familiarity etc) ...similarly we aren't equipped to tap into someone after they are dead as our limitation is to only connect with physical... and that too with limitations like mentioned above... there is hardware .. there is software.. sukshma that expresses through hardware like on a monitor and loops feeds back to sukshma ... and there is electricity ( brahman).. only the hardware dies.. the software migrates.. or is transferred ... just like a video game with scores from previous games saved... and the avatar playing the game has certain abilities / powers accrued... and is trying to move to next level... loosely put..
It is possible that consciousness of a person continue to exist after his or her death. But how can we be sure that is does? I think that was really the question asked to Maharaj and to my understanding it was not answered. The analogy between individual consciousnesses being reflections of Brahman and reflections of the sun in small pots of water, provides a possible explanation of the relationship between individual consciousnesses and the Brahman. I am looking for an argument that it is actually so and there can be no other explanation. This question is immensely important to me and I would sincerely appreciate if Maharaj Sarvapriyanandaji kindly answers this question.🙏
Your question is exactly my question. It is through this consciousness experienced through having this body I am aware. When gone there is no individuality to experience consciousness or at its best a general awareness like in deep sleep. I have tremendous respect to swamaji but the question was not answered.
Bhagawad gita says the man of self realisation gets rid of the fear of death for having attained knowledge of the true Self has become immortal It is not killed when the body is killed
Yesterday I was listening to a Ted talk video where a scientist was saying Artificial General Intelligence is 5 years away at this point(if we allow AI research to develop unregulated). If AGI is really possible, then consciousness is just a result of the physical objects. Even though the consciousness of the AI may be in different form than humans, it may still definitely be a kind of consciousness.
There is general acceptance that humans are more than just their body or aspiring to be more than themselves, we all want more meaning to this life than we can perceive, that is not same as some robot or AI using software and database acting like human
@grapeshott: Consider the biological body as just a machine that manifests consciousness (the comet in space reflecting the light of the sun analogy). Similarly, any AGI would just be a different vehicle to manifest consciousness.
The key differences are sentience (in most cases) with the ability & innate urge to reproduce ad infinitum. No matter WHAT the processing capabilities of a machine, they will NEVER be "life".
I think most of them don't understand purpose of vedantic studies..Basically, it is aimed to mitigate unsettled nature of jeeva. Please dont confuse beyond this. Sage Baratwaja was in sorrow when Sukar left for moksha even when universe resonate and indicate that sukar has attained brahmam That is the power of maya. Please dont try to understand only through vedantic texts.
The reason we think after death it all stops is because the consciousness that is able to experience consciousness in and through an individual body will be gone.
The self is never born nor does It die it is not that not having been it comes into being It is unborn eternal changeless ever Itself according to Bhagavad
Pranam guruji ,I have some questions, I know that god has created this universe and all conscious being but why did he created it,and moksha, nirvan, or Maha samadhi is the ultimate goal of human being in gyan marg ,how will know that I am gradually progressing, and is this one life time sufficient enough to get Maha samadhi ,I also understand that this will of getting Maha samadhi is also bondage, so I have not so strong desire to get it ,please guide me
But Swami, the point is that individual consciousness can only be experienced through this individuality. The individual gone, conscious observer will be gone.
The short answer is no; we don't die. But that's not getting it. Truth is simply this: The purpose of Shiva is Love. It is why Shiva is Diverse in Life.
1:29 minute - Vedanta says that only one atma exist . Jain dharm says that there are infinite souls. Each has separtate entity. It actually never dies nor takes birth, only paryay changes.
The Gita only speaks of one consciousness, when you squeeze out an advaitic interpretation of the Gita. If you don't do this, it's pretty clear that the Gita speaks of multiple atmas (purushas), just as Sankhya does.
as Lord Krishna's explains in BhagavadGita " Atma Na Hanthi Na Hanthaye" "soul Neither dies neither does it Kill" ..now saying body dies is not correct because Body never had life&consciousness in it by itself ..it is soul that gives body life&consciousness, so saying body dies is wrong as it never had life in it by itself in the firstplace..yes you can say body is damaged or degraded ..soul leaves your body when your body is so damaged or degraded that it cannot produce enough energy for the sustainance of soul
Not a very satisfying answer. I am not sure if SANKHYA considers many PURUSHAS . On one side ADWATYA says everything is happening in consciousness and on other hand there is no answer as WHY is it happening . I have a dream , which is based on MY thoughts and experiences . What is the reason for the dream of the CONSCIOUSNESS . In My dream I the characters have no free will and they act as I WANT . So what about the dream of CONSCIOUSNESS , if we are the characters do we have free will or not ? Too many questions and then we don't have clear cut answers
Mj, you say that every religion including Islam says that I am not this body itself. Will you kindly refer any Ayat of any Surah indicating so. Pranam.
(Sorry for the VERY, VERY long "comment". But I believe it NEEDS to be said) Kind Sir...If you asked 10,000 people of your question; you would get untold "different" answers! Oh yes indeed. So, I believe this... As a 92 yr Born Again Christian; I will answer it this way: There are "two beings" from Creation, when they die. 1. NON Born Again's and 2. Born Again's! And IF it's not born again; they will truly die, EXCEPT for their flesh, etc, in a funeral place. In a concrete casket. If they are not in a funeral place, they will just rot to nothing. But... IF the Born Again dies; the same as the non Born Again's; EXCEPT...they have a "2nd birth". But it is not made of "flesh, blood and bones". Rather; It's a new Heavenly "Spiritual Birth".* And that being; will go into a "spiritual sleep" when they die. UNTIL the "1st resurrection" by Jesus (the only true God Almighty, ever!) Then they become again flesh...AND spiritual beings. But the non Born Again will be in the 2nd resurrection. Thus, they are a true fleshly being again. Regardless of how they died. Now, the end of the World comes (which is soon I believe)... And ALL go to a "Judgment Day". Where Jesus determines which is going to Heaven or Hell. IF they are Born Again's they will be sent to the New Heaven forever. And their fleshly body is destroyed. Because they get a NEW Body! But woe, woe, woe! IF they are NON Born Again; Jesus will cast them into a "Burning Lake of Fire"; which is Hell. And they will perish; where satan and his devil, his beast and his false prophet. And they never perish! Now you and yours (and billions), probably do NOT believe this. And that is your right. But I do believe it. So we must be set-apart ("Holy"). But we (Born Again Christians) still love every one. Amen! * Now, because of such a very LONG comment, I didn't tell how a person gets to be "Born Again". However, IF any one (if this comment is not deleted) wants to know; then ask and I will tell you. Anyway, thanks for commenting on your channel, kind Sir and yours.
Different world. Material and spiritual. When you play a virtual reality game the character dies. There's no way to prove you because the computer world I different to the real world. The body is your access to the world. That's all.
Very unsatisfying answer. The question was how do we know the (hypothetical) soul survives bodily death. The answer only at best undermines the argument that the soul necessarily dies when the body does yet fails to provide any positive argument as to why it in fact survives bodily death. And this latter issue was really what the questioner was asking about in the first place. Interestingly the Swami here could only end by saying that his argument makes it “more probable” though not certain the soul survives death (a conclusion, by the way, which I think is not true, either).
Because the idea is we are not a soul in a body. We are consciousness in which the world appears. It's like if you play a virtual reality game and your character dies. Where's the proof you are alive. YOu cant because the material world is different to the world of you. There's no proof in the material world because you aren't material.
And this is why the dead should always be buried, never cremated. Nobody actually knows if the corpses feel anything or not. Just because there's no outwardly expressions, that doesn't mean the soul is not still attached enough to suffer the burning of the body. Just imagine, if it were true, what you would be putting your loved ones through! Cast your cultural biases & egos aside, and choose wisdom :)
Simple answer to the question asked, is we do not exist after death. We get totally annihilated on death. But, Sarbapiyananda knows, his talk will flop, if he says so.
@@sanjoyghose1952 What do you mean motivation? Use logic: proposition "I am" is logically always true. You can never say "I am not". Therefore, you always are.
@@ROForeverMan I can't say, I am not, when I am breathing. But, what is the difficulty to say the same, when I am not breathing, but still conscious as per theory of Hindu monks, like Sarbapriyananda?
Non-duality teacher John Wheeler, student of Sailor Bob Adamson of Melbourne Non-duality, was at a funeral. About the dead person someone told Wheeler "No more Presence for him!" Wheeler replied "That's from your perspective, not his."
Excellent observation 👍🏻
Is he related to the Mr Olympia competitor flex wheeler ?
So who told him that the dead person is really alive? To whose perspective Mr Wheeler had access to?
@@grapeshottyou told him
@grapshott Listen to Swami Sarvapriyananda and you will know.
swami ji’s voice is enough to bring me at ease and peace and dwell in my real nature…forever grateful🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
same
Beautiful question and equally beautiful explanation. 🙏🏽
..ditto! Jaya ji's second question on death is beautiful! Swamiji's reply is beautiful as well. Beautiful! 🙏🙏🙏
My goodness. Literal goosebumps hearing the explanation.
We are all the individualization of the ONE SUPREME consciousness.
Stay blessed, Everyone.
Robert-
I simply adore your explanations
Brilliant explanation Swamiji 🙏🏾
Finally a genuine guru. Not the haughty Sadhguru who is convinced he is knows EVERYTHING on earth,
Arjuna J.
He always said " we have to bow down and accept that WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING" then only we will get to know. you fell in some propaganda my friend
Namaskar Swami Sarvapriyanandaji Maharaj 🙏🏻
Maharaj this is an indirect evidence that 'I'am different from my body..
খুব ভালো লাগলো আপনার বোঝানো।
Thank you🌹🌹
Thank you Swami, You made a wonderful observation. The body mind is an object in consciousness as it is the chair.
Pranams Swamiji ❤
Good question, specially the second part. Makes one enquire about Consciousness itself and it's nature! Pronam Maharaj. Interesting elaborations. 🙏☺️
Lot of love from chattisgarh India
Hari Om !
When we say someone died, the body has lost its ability to conduct the life since it has perished. Since we, each person around is identifying himself/herself with his/her respective body+mind setup(as I am), we have the habit of telling the death of a body as the death of the person. It is an error of mixing two levels of "order of realities"(purusha and prakriti) and say "person died" for the body's death. In another view point it's not wrong to respect kshetra even though kshetragnya(purusha) is no more active in the kshetra(prakriti) which is declared as dead. It is simply a way of addressing. It is like the bulb is fused but electricity is intact.
One thing to be noted.... If I take myself as this body+mind setup then I die when this body+mind is dead (for me nothing exists after death). If I am clear that I am not this body+mind setup then whatever happens to this (kshetra, prakriti) is not a significant issue for the "I". When a bulb fuses it is not a topic of discussion for the electricity which was keeping it alive so far.
Almost all explanations are a comparison to our everyday life, wakeful state. As if this reality is the only one that's significant, and the most fundamental. That is how we treat it at least.
The other important aspect is that we are using this reality to comprehend something else, a different existence.
But we can only do so using the faculties of our reality. So our point of view can only be this reality.
Another analogy for this is, using a lower state of consciousness to understand a higher state.
Any understanding will only be a form of the lower state.
In actuality there is no higher or lower, more or less fundamental, it's just variations in cognition.
@@PureAeternum
Yes I agree
**Enlightenment as per Advaita vision can be summarised as given below**
If enlightenment happens to you in this life itself, only then you can realise the freedom thereby you can experience that all pleasure/pain are utterly meaningless.
But If enlightenment happens in the next birth then that enlightenment is not yours, it is for somebody with some other body+mind (what is the use !)
So it is wise to get enlightened now & here such that you realise that you were never bound and there is no necessity for a liberation because as per Advaita vision as such no one is bound and hence no one needs to get liberated also.
This state of "BUDDHI" one should achieve through a systematic SELF ENQUIRY, in this life itself !
Ultimately BUDDHI is the agent for binding or liberation. If it gets settled then the game comes to an end.
How to diagnose whether the BUDDHI has reached the state of liberation?
Buddhi can itself keep on monitoring these two parameters within !
1. Absence of sense of doership & enjoyer ship (kartrutwa & bhoktrutwa bhava) in it.
2. Absence of me & mine syndrome (dehaatma bhava) in it.
If both are zero in the psycho then it indicates that the buddhi is resting in its Abode(Paramatma) comfortably.
@@radhakrishnanv2286 get enlightened now and realize that you were always the enlightenment 😆
Kshetra is quality and not prakriti, which stands for material. Don't get excited thinking your body as bulb and your consciousness as electricity as electricity is not perennial and needs to be generated by generator.
@@sanjoyghose1952
Don't take the metaphor verbatim. Please mean in the following manner(This is told by Swami Chinmayananda)
If the bulb has a "buddhi" then that buddhi must realise that Electricity is the Atma(Sathya vastu/ Purusha) and all the others in the electrical appliances world are Anaatma(mithya/prakriti). We should NOT stretch this example further (in any direction).
No metaphor will be wrong as long as it is not stretched as per our own idea. Metaphors should be handled carefully and dispensed carefully!
Gods Shiva Vishnu Brahma Devi Hanuman etc are those who have already realised themselves as Brahman and then they are manifesting their divine powers in reality.
Excellent discussion 🙏
Awesome
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This is among Swamijis most comprehensive answers to this question 🙏🏽🪷🙏🏽
In consciousness reside matter nature universe body mind world 🌎.
Pranam Swamiji
Pronam swamiji 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Purusha is the Atman un-manifested. Prakriti is the Atman manifested. Being the subtlest of the subtle Purusha cannot be known with the mind, body or senses. However with intense sadhana a person can become one with the Purusha in a super conscious state .
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Did you just make that up or is there any evidence for this?
@@sca8217You would do well to remember that all FUNDAMENTAL laws of the PUREST of MODERN SCIENCES are HYPOTHESIS of visionary scientists based on EMPIRICAL EXPERIENCE & OBSERVATION with measurements where possible, and they are ALWAYS waiting to be SUPERCEDED by a BETTER hypothesis when any empirical experience VIOLATES the existing hypothesis. THIS is how Newton's laws were superceded by Einstein's theory of relativity when the former did NOT work with heavenly bodies. Now, Einstein's theories are waiting to be superceded by a better "theory of everything" covering Quantum phenomena.
In short, YOU can only EXPERIENCE this Vedantic reality yourself (rarely happens without taking the path of an ascetic under the guidance of a guru) if & when you are blessed😌
Pranam Swamiji
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Jai Shree Ramakrishna
THIS LITERALLY BLEW MY MIND🤯🤯
Swamiji from my own experience I can say that when I sleep I cant experience external world at all because my senses are not interacting with external world. In dreams I have experience because my mind but in deep sleep I don't have any experience though I am there it just mean I can't have any experience without body and mind though I exist. Body is instrument for experience like if experience are not dependent on body then why blind people don't have experience of seeing ??
blind people actually do report visions and experiences of seeing in their dreams
I completely agree with you, body gone consciousness exists but can not experience itself as we do when alive.
Thank you so much Swamiji🙏🏽 my wonderful journey began after listening to your first lecture, and subsequently it become a conversation and now hearing your voice itself is an experience 🌹
PRANAAM MAHARAJ 🙏 🙏
The Holy Swami is CORRECT!
The body is a HOST for “I AM”
It is NOT the spirit entity, which is who you REALLY are.
“ Birth is not the beginning and physical death is NOT the end”...A Course in Miracles
“ When your body, ego and dreams are no more, you will know that you live forever”...A Course in Miracles
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Yes we really and that is why we are discussing it intensely
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"Ones understanding of "I" could refer to the egoic person (which is just an idea) OR Atma, pure Consciousness, depending on the level of understanding. "I" is a figure of speech ,we must use it to be understood,...hopefully...
Swamiji has any Indian text ever tried to answer the question of why consciousness bothers to make inferior avatars of itself only for them to evolve into human beings only for us to become one with it
Thank you so much Gurudev. This helps a lot.
It seems to me that all the work done by Spiritualism and related fields of inquiry could be brought to bear on this question. People who have died have, indeed, been interviewed. People have died and have come back to describe the experience. All this evidence indicates that when the body dies, the person remains as they were, except at their best. Physical death is just the outer sheath dropping off. As I understand, death is an opportunity for Moksha. Otherwise, it is just a change of rooms--the person, their personality, their sense of identity, is still there. It's a vacation, a time for reflection, and so-on before the next birth. Really, it's not the big deal we make it because of identifying with the physical body.
Soul is part of the supersoul whom we call God..Krishna says, " mamaivaansho jivaloke jivabhutah sanaatanah."🌷
Q :- Are we actually die when the body dies ?
A :- The body, mind, Consciousness etc are material/Jad (Because, consciousness arises from the body, So when there is no Body there is no Consciousness→SBG 7.4 & 7.5)
Generally, when a person is born, he/she associated with the body and by associating with the body ego arises. The ego identifies itself with the body. Thus this ego acquires a name, form, qualities etc. When I alive, the feeling of my presence is always there. Like I am writing, I am listening music, I am doing this, I am doing that, I am an engineer, I am a scientist etc etc.
From Vedanta I know that my true nature is pure consciousness, the Sachidanand Atma and this body, mind, ego etc are belong to prakrati which generally at the time of death perishes.
So when the body dies mind, thought, ego, intellect etc also die. But, when I understand my true nature as Atmān my consciousness becomes pure and thus it stops from false identifications like attaching itself with the body, mind, prakrati, ego etc. So, when the body of an enlightened person dies, the person not dies.
Because, the person is no more the body, mind, ego, consciousness, intellect etc. So, what happens is after the death of the body mind, ego, intellect etc all die and the enlightened person remains as pure awareness (aware of it's existence).This pure awareness is very similar to that of Permanent Deep Sleep (You can call it "Turiya") where there is no me or the world, there is just awareness (Forget duality there is not even singularity).
सूक्ष्म शरीर(subtle body)
सूक्ष्म शरीर को देखा नहीं जा सकता। इस शरीर में पंच प्राण, पाँच ज्ञानेन्द्रियाँ, मन, बुद्धि और अहंकार शामिल हैं। स्वप्न में आप अपने सभी कार्य इसी शरीर से करते हैं। मृत्यु के समय यह शरीर जीव के साथ चला जाता है ।
I agree, but deep sleep is not experiencing consciousness that can be experienced through having a body and mind to experience it. Remembering my own deep sleep, there is no glory to that general awareness. As they say there is awareness but nothing to see what is interesting in that? Somehow scary and lonely.
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Good evening. Why did a Sage like Nisargadatta Maharaj sometimes say that when the physical body dies the I-am also dies? We know that the I-am or consciousness survives the death of the physical body! On other occasions he emphasized samsara and the cycle of birth and death, making it clear that consciousness not only survives the death of the food-body but it can be reborn. How to harmonize this?
Nisargdatta mahajraj was talking about the 'I' ego.
@@sarangkumar1658 Thanks for the answer. But we know that the I-ego does not die after the death of the material body. It survives in subtle body form.
Ego dies if we realize our true self that is brahman..You will keep taking birth till you get enlightened..One can also destroy the ego, as mentioned in Shrimad Bhagawt Gita is by selfless actions (Niskam karma)..
Good question. My understanding - based on what I have read about after-death accounts and reincarnation experiences - is that the "I-Consciousness" does not die with the body. The "I" has been likened to a sword and the body to a sheath. When the sword is withdrawn from the sheath, the sheath becomes empty but the sword which is the real essence is very much there. But your question was somewhat different, You were asking how can an entity (another word for consciousness) be reborn if we assume the "I" is dead? The answer seems to be that within all of us there are actually two "I's". One "I" is that associated with our present body and our present embodied personality. This "I" survives the body but gradually fades away out of active consciousness (but remains in the subconscious as memory of the entity). The other "I" - which is the more permanent I - is the sum-total (as it were) of all the "I's" that the soul entity has experienced in the course of its cosmic existence when it has taken birth in different bodies and also possibly in different realms. This permanent "I" is the one that undergoes repeated rebirth until final dissolution when it attains union with the Absolute which is God or Brahman. This explanation appears to serve as a reconciliation of the apparent contradiction you mentioned. Our present "I" survives for a while after physical death; how long it survives is dependent on how attached the soul has been to the physical existence it has just emerged from. For instance, if in my present birth I have been deeply attached to a person or object, after death the chains of that attachment or those attachments will perpetuate my identification with that body and so the "I-ness" of that particular life will endure for a longer time till I discard it and move on. (Incidentally this explains the existence of ghosts who are nothing but earthbound spirits that are trapped within the memories and attachments they formed during a particular lifetime.) Edgar Cayce, the great American mystic and psychic, has said that when we are alive in this earthly realm we actually have three levels of consciousness operating. One is the conscious mind that keeps us going in our day to day life which is totally based on our present embodied existence. The second is the sub-conscious mind that is the storehouse and repository of all our experiences and memories gained hitherto both in the present life and the lives we have undergone in the past (which is the source tapped by past life regression analysts). The third is the Superconscious which is actually the Supreme Consciousness i.e. God or Brahman from Whom we all emerge and to Whom we return. When our physical body dies (says Cayce) our present conscious mind also dies (in due course) and our present subconscious mind becomes - in our disembodied state - the conscious mind for us whilst the Superconscious becomes the Subconscious. In other words death of the body brings us closer to God but not close enough yet to be merged in Him.
Apologies for this lengthy and possibly confusing reply.
@@lgopalakrishnan3181 Profound answer.
I was about to say it as well. The first "I" referred to here is the Ego that is a consequence of this body and the mind, all of which die when the body dies. The second "I" he has referred to is the Consciousness (keeping aside for a moment, the different schools of philosophies saying it's only one - Advaita - or there is an Individual consciousness & Super consciousness) which is essentially the carrier of Karma leading to birth-death cycles.
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This maya explain the maya very clearly.
❤ Of course we really doe as a person.
❤What remains is not personal 😮
Swami ji Maharaj do we attain powers of gods Shiva Vishnu 🙏♥️ and Demi gods like prakat antardhan flying travelling in sky anywhere like parkaya pravesh by adi Shankaracharya by sankalpa by acknowledging realising ourselves as Brahman.
You need to study Vedanta under a guru. Seriously. First please learn the goals of Vedanta.
Demigod etc are all colonial imposed terms on Hindus .
Yes, we manifest instantly
@@vish2553Do tell us if you know any good book on vedanta.Thanks.
communication is a sensory experience like swami says I infer based on similarity that the inner dialog of another is similar for all... externally we have language ... some similar and somehow we communicate and exchange a fraction of thoughts and emotions... in the moment... but later on the person could have a different set of thoughts and emotions about same context and we wouldn't even know of the change ... e.g. I talk to someone and we collectively think based on XYZ this person is not a good person... but later the other person gained different perspective and has become a devotee of this person...we haven't met them and still hold the common ground regarding person until we recalibrate our thinking when we meet... so physical communication has limitations and is bound by time and space and when we don't meet someone for long so much could have changed in them that at times we feel we are meeting a "new" person body is same software different ... (frequency of exchange plays a role .. time for familiarity etc) ...similarly we aren't equipped to tap into someone after they are dead as our limitation is to only connect with physical... and that too with limitations like mentioned above... there is hardware .. there is software.. sukshma that expresses through hardware like on a monitor and loops feeds back to sukshma ... and there is electricity ( brahman).. only the hardware dies.. the software migrates.. or is transferred ... just like a video game with scores from previous games saved... and the avatar playing the game has certain abilities / powers accrued... and is trying to move to next level... loosely put..
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It is possible that consciousness of a person continue to exist after his or her death. But how can we be sure that is does? I think that was really the question asked to Maharaj and to my understanding it was not answered.
The analogy between individual consciousnesses being reflections of Brahman and reflections of the sun in small pots of water, provides a possible explanation of the relationship between individual consciousnesses and the Brahman. I am looking for an argument that it is actually so and there can be no other explanation. This question is immensely important to me and I would sincerely appreciate if Maharaj Sarvapriyanandaji kindly answers this question.🙏
Your question is exactly my question. It is through this consciousness experienced through having this body I am aware. When gone there is no individuality to experience consciousness or at its best a general awareness like in deep sleep.
I have tremendous respect to swamaji but the question was not answered.
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Consciousness witnesses the death too ?
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Bhagawad gita says the man of self realisation gets rid of the fear of death for having attained knowledge of the true Self has become immortal It is not killed when the body is killed
Are we born, do we die ? We are the immortal atma working our karmas within this humanbody. Thanks
Yesterday I was listening to a Ted talk video where a scientist was saying Artificial General Intelligence is 5 years away at this point(if we allow AI research to develop unregulated). If AGI is really possible, then consciousness is just a result of the physical objects. Even though the consciousness of the AI may be in different form than humans, it may still definitely be a kind of consciousness.
There is general acceptance that humans are more than just their body or aspiring to be more than themselves, we all want more meaning to this life than we can perceive, that is not same as some robot or AI using software and database acting like human
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Consider the biological body as just a machine that manifests consciousness (the comet in space reflecting the light of the sun analogy). Similarly, any AGI would just be a different vehicle to manifest consciousness.
The key differences are sentience (in most cases) with the ability & innate urge to reproduce ad infinitum. No matter WHAT the processing capabilities of a machine, they will NEVER be "life".
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Body dies but consciousness dont die which may put on another body .live with awareness that might be the solution of life.
I think most of them don't understand purpose of vedantic studies..Basically, it is aimed to mitigate unsettled nature of jeeva. Please dont confuse beyond this. Sage Baratwaja was in sorrow when Sukar left for moksha even when universe resonate and indicate that sukar has attained brahmam That is the power of maya. Please dont try to understand only through vedantic texts.
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The reason we think after death it all stops is because the consciousness that is able to experience consciousness in and through an individual body will be gone.
The self is never born nor does It die it is not that not having been it comes into being It is unborn eternal changeless ever Itself according to Bhagavad
Pranam guruji ,I have some questions, I know that god has created this universe and all conscious being but why did he created it,and moksha, nirvan, or Maha samadhi is the ultimate goal of human being in gyan marg ,how will know that I am gradually progressing, and is this one life time sufficient enough to get Maha samadhi ,I also understand that this will of getting Maha samadhi is also bondage, so I have not so strong desire to get it ,please guide me
But Swami, the point is that individual consciousness can only be experienced through this individuality. The individual gone, conscious observer will be gone.
The short answer is no; we don't die.
But that's not getting it.
Truth is simply this:
The purpose of Shiva is Love.
It is why Shiva is Diverse in Life.
1:29 minute - Vedanta says that only one atma exist . Jain dharm says that there are infinite souls. Each has separtate entity. It actually never dies nor takes birth, only paryay changes.
"I am" is eternal. For more details see my papers about consciousness, like "Meaning and Context: A Brief Introduction", author: Cosmin Visan.
Dose Self repulse the Universal self.?
The Gita only speaks of one consciousness, when you squeeze out an advaitic interpretation of the Gita. If you don't do this, it's pretty clear that the Gita speaks of multiple atmas (purushas), just as Sankhya does.
What makes one think that a living body has Consciousness whilst the dead body doesn't?
as Lord Krishna's explains in BhagavadGita " Atma Na Hanthi Na Hanthaye" "soul Neither dies neither does it Kill" ..now saying body dies is not correct because Body never had life&consciousness in it by itself ..it is soul that gives body life&consciousness, so saying body dies is wrong as it never had life in it by itself in the firstplace..yes you can say body is damaged or degraded ..soul leaves your body when your body is so damaged or degraded that it cannot produce enough energy for the sustainance of soul
Consciousness in matter. Matter ends, consciousness ends. Finish..
Still don't know if I'm going to wake up in Heaven or Hell
Not a very satisfying answer. I am not sure if SANKHYA considers many PURUSHAS . On one side ADWATYA says everything is happening in consciousness and on other hand there is no answer as WHY is it happening . I have a dream , which is based on MY thoughts and experiences . What is the reason for the dream of the CONSCIOUSNESS . In My dream I the characters have no free will and they act as I WANT . So what about the dream of CONSCIOUSNESS , if we are the characters do we have free will or not ? Too many questions and then we don't have clear cut answers
Mj, you say that every religion including Islam says that I am not this body itself. Will you kindly refer any Ayat of any Surah indicating so. Pranam.
Excellent clarification. I would like to touch my forehead on your foot.
Why could be true?
yes We die..
(Sorry for the VERY, VERY long "comment". But I believe it NEEDS to be said)
Kind Sir...If you asked 10,000 people of your question; you would get untold "different" answers! Oh yes indeed. So, I believe this...
As a 92 yr Born Again Christian; I will answer it this way: There are "two beings" from Creation, when they die. 1. NON Born Again's and 2. Born Again's! And IF it's not born again; they will truly die, EXCEPT for their flesh, etc, in a funeral place. In a concrete casket. If they are not in a funeral place, they will just rot to nothing. But...
IF the Born Again dies; the same as the non Born Again's; EXCEPT...they have a "2nd birth". But it is not made of "flesh, blood and bones". Rather; It's a new Heavenly "Spiritual Birth".*
And that being; will go into a "spiritual sleep" when they die. UNTIL the "1st resurrection" by Jesus (the only true God Almighty, ever!)
Then they become again flesh...AND spiritual beings. But the non Born Again will be in the 2nd resurrection. Thus, they are a true fleshly being again. Regardless of how they died. Now, the end of the World comes (which is soon I believe)...
And ALL go to a "Judgment Day". Where Jesus determines which is going to Heaven or Hell. IF they are Born Again's they will be sent to the New Heaven forever. And their fleshly body is destroyed. Because they get a NEW Body!
But woe, woe, woe! IF they are NON Born Again; Jesus will cast them into a "Burning Lake of Fire"; which is Hell. And they will perish; where satan and his devil, his beast and his false prophet. And they never perish!
Now you and yours (and billions), probably do NOT believe this. And that is your right. But I do believe it. So we must be set-apart ("Holy"). But we (Born Again Christians) still love every one. Amen!
* Now, because of such a very LONG comment, I didn't tell how a person gets to be "Born Again". However, IF any one (if this comment is not deleted) wants to know; then ask and I will tell you. Anyway, thanks for commenting on your channel, kind Sir and yours.
Not convinced with answer.
Different world. Material and spiritual. When you play a virtual reality game the character dies. There's no way to prove you because the computer world I different to the real world. The body is your access to the world. That's all.
We die like any insect dies
Very unsatisfying answer. The question was how do we know the (hypothetical) soul survives bodily death. The answer only at best undermines the argument that the soul necessarily dies when the body does yet fails to provide any positive argument as to why it in fact survives bodily death. And this latter issue was really what the questioner was asking about in the first place. Interestingly the Swami here could only end by saying that his argument makes it “more probable” though not certain the soul survives death (a conclusion, by the way, which I think is not true, either).
Because the idea is we are not a soul in a body. We are consciousness in which the world appears. It's like if you play a virtual reality game and your character dies. Where's the proof you are alive. YOu cant because the material world is different to the world of you. There's no proof in the material world because you aren't material.
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What nonsense. If you can talk with your loved one, his body no longer exists. It means what ??, you can talk you can't ask.
Thousands of near death experience accounts are there. What is this lady talking about?
And this is why the dead should always be buried, never cremated. Nobody actually knows if the corpses feel anything or not. Just because there's no outwardly expressions, that doesn't mean the soul is not still attached enough to suffer the burning of the body. Just imagine, if it were true, what you would be putting your loved ones through! Cast your cultural biases & egos aside, and choose wisdom :)
Gotta say, I was disappointed with this non-answer.
That's why it's called self inquiry. No one can give you the answer only point you and you must reflect and inquire
Simple answer to the question asked, is we do not exist after death. We get totally annihilated on death. But, Sarbapiyananda knows, his talk will flop, if he says so.
"I am" is eternal.
@@ROForeverMan What is your motivation to call yourself, as I am eternal? You are not eternal and will get annihilated on death for your own good.
@@sanjoyghose1952 What do you mean motivation? Use logic: proposition "I am" is logically always true. You can never say "I am not". Therefore, you always are.
@@ROForeverMan I can't say, I am not, when I am breathing. But, what is the difficulty to say the same, when I am not breathing, but still conscious as per theory of Hindu monks, like Sarbapriyananda?
@@sanjoyghose1952 What ? What does breathing has to do with it ? You can say it in your mind.
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