It's enjoyable to watch and learn from the Professional. You don't have to recheck a topic, `cause it's RELIABLE. Thank you for your great efforts to bring us this very solid piece of info, bro!
Thanks for the suggestion! These videos take me a lot of time to make so I definitely want to make one but I want to try to get some smaller / faster videos out in between given the influx of new ships :)
haha thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed my silly humor and the effort that went into it :) Seeing messages like yours helps make all the hours worth it!
Very well done. Would love to see the in-game costs / storage at the end. Seeing the Tana and the C2 near each other but at different costs is something to consider!
Hey thanks for that feedback! I probably wouldn't show storage because that's not really useful in bounty hunting at the current point, but I do think cost is a valuable factor for folks
@@WingZeroType yep, that's fair. The storage is just applicable for folks like me who don't play often but want to melt down and start with a ship that can do a variety of things without growing out of it before the next reset! I've been away since 1.17 but had been using a 6x ballistic Tana for a little bit of everything. The sleeping bug was one reason I stopped playing, but it otherwise was a perfect all-around ship!
@@WingZeroType for those of us who like to have some SCU + 'getting started' costs. tier, name, price (rent),tier rank,price rank,tier + price rank,SCU,Pledge B, Reliant Tana, 0.870M,15,9,24,1,na C, Mustang Alpha, 0.251M (5K),30,2,32,4,$30 C, Cutlass Black, 1.385M (28K),17,17,34,46,$110 C, Avenger, 0.786-1.156M (16-43K),28,7,35,8,$60 S, Constellation A, 3.548M (71K),2,34,36,96,$240 C, 325a, 0.944M,27,10,37,4,$70 A, Corsair, 3.402M,5,32,37,72,na D, Aurora MR/LN, 0.185M/0.338M (na/8K),39,1,40,3-Mar,$30-40 D, 125a, 0.791M,36,8,44,2,$60 A, C2/M2/A2, 4.926/5.225/5.525M,7,37,44,696/522/234,na A, 600i, 9.475M (245K),6,39,45,40,na D, Pisces Exp, 0.406M,42,3,45,4,$45 D, Cutter, 0.675M,41,5,46,4,$45 C, Freelancer MIS, 2.538M,20,27,47,36, D, Nomad, 0.953M,38,11,49,24,$80 C, Hammerhead, 12.460M,23,40,63,40,an For me, I like the Mustang Alpha -> Reliant Tana -> Constellation A path from this list, but: modify it a little bit with less missiles and ride the Reliant Kore from $65 to the Connie A for 3.548M aUEC (6x 10-series Greatsword at 3,025dps for 60 sec, 8x S1 missiles (vs Tana 20x S2) + 6 SCU)
Great video! I love your PvE videos and tips as that’s where I spend most of my time atm. And I had some pretty good laughs in the Corsair section; joke kept getting better and better. I’ll have to try mine in a fight again; I love that ship but was turned off using it for combat due to the slow turns. If I can learn to fight in it I’ll live in that ship 24/7 and explore everything!
Haha thank you, and yes give it a shot! Become a fellow member of the bounty explorer's guild! I would give the ballistic loadout a shot, it was so refreshing to not have to worry about infinite front shields of the enemy lol
yeah it definitely got a lot harder for the starter ships to do VHRTs, but I'd say a titan is still totally capable up to MRTs. You can do HRTs and VHRTs with it as well but things will slow down for you
I just started back playing on 3.19 from a few years ago and I was getting beyond pissed that I wasn't killing certain targets. I didnt know about the shield bug and was getting frustrated when dying to targets I put crap load of shots on. So I appreciate you letting ppl know about it.
Yeah it's a super frustrating issue that's been around since about 3.17. I'm actually in the process of making a short video about it right now to get the word out, b/c it seems a bunch of people didn't realize what's happening. Thanks for giving me that feedback, and thanks for checking out the video!
@@shawnc5188 I haven't tried subtargetting my missiles other than trying it with torps on a reclaimer to see if i could kill it with fewer s5 torps. I'll give it a shot with missiles, it'd be nice to murder wardens faster :D
@@WingZeroType I've flown most of the ships in your list. And the ones I haven't ive heard the performance of from friends. Most lists are done without the listmaker ever flying the ship. You can tell from your review you took the time to properly evaluate every ship here. Which makes this better than just about every other list I've seen to date. You didn't artificially push the Gladius or Arrow up higher because they are meta ships. You tested them and evaluated accordingly. Your evaluations are worthy of respect.
@@FrozenKnight21Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words since it takes me A LOT of time to make a video like this as you can imagine. I'm lucky that a couple of people in my community donated me a bunch of aUEC to buy ships in-game after the wipes so that I was able to test combat with almost all of the ships rather than having to individually grind them all out like I used to lol. Thanks again for checking out the video and for the lovely feedback
@@WingZeroType you did an exclent job. The only ship i would have liked to see on the list would be the A2, but you did get tge C2 which is fairly close, i believe the A2 is toigher with slightly more firepower, just not sure if the pilot can access it.
@@FrozenKnight21Yeah the A2 has a tiny bit better resistances and a lotttt more guns but the pilot only has access to the same 2xs5 hardpoints on all variants. So its miniscule but the C2 would be a tiny bit more maneuverable thanks to having less weight from all the extra turrets and guns lol.
to be hit by your own missiles/torpedos (like in the Ares, Shrike) while firing them can be avoided by strafing up while firing! Always strafe up while firing missiles.
No lie, you are one of the few who recognize the power of the Tana. It has the beefiness of a medium fighter, at the cost of a light fighter. Crazy quick claim speed, interior with a shoilet, weapon rack, and beds. Not to mention the unique second seat for a gunner, (if they ever fix the turret issue right now. The gunner used to have control of all 4 weapons at the same time when in remote view, alas, the Reliant is the red headed step child.) the benefit of this turret seat is the gunner has a 270 degree view and can shoot in all directions, the pilot can quick swap the view of the turret from top to starboard or bottom to port. From that location, the gunner can also fire missiles as well, and can even fire them backwards. Its one of few ships its size that have an almost 360 degree range for engagement AND can fire missiles backwards. Just a small correction for the Razor variants. You mentioned the weaker hull of the Razor LX, but you also stated all 3 variants only have one shield. The LX actually has 2 size 1 shields, it only comes equipped with one, but if you upgrade the power supply, you can add a second. edit: Just another note regarding the C2, its flight model is bugged, its not meant to fly so well in Atmo, the devs have reported on that a few times. If you don't believe it, the ship weighs 3 times what the Caterpillar weighs, and the Caterpillar feels and moves slower. This is due to the fully laden tech they implemented about 3 years ago and never reverted. The C2 will get a similar treatment soon.
Yessss Tana love! I have been harping about the reliants to anyone who'll listen for a while now lol. I didn't know that about the turret gameplay, I mostly play solo so i never really get a lot of experience with turrets, thats pretty cool actually. And I thought the Razor LX had it's second shield fixed? I don't own one in 3.19 so i can't tell for sure, but I know it had two shields back in 3.17. I jsut thought it was fixed. Thanks for the correction! And i definitely didn't know that about the C2, thats good to know and I'm actually very happy to hear that, b/c as it currently stands there's no real reason to use a Cat over a C2 (at least until they rebalance them or get modularity in the game).
@@WingZeroType Well, hopefully with the advent of Tractor Beams we may see the Cat have some advantages over the C2 since the C2 doesn't have any tractor beams. If the beams on the Caterpillar can lift 32 SCU containers, the Cat would fit 17.6 of the 32 SCU containers. Whereas the C2, without vehicle beams, will be relegated to the hand held beams (or vehicle beams if the Mule or ROC/ROC DS get a tractor beam, please CIG). As far as we know, the multi tool is now a size 0 tractor beam, and will be limited to 1 SCU, as for the FPS beam, it could be anywhere from 2 SCU to 4 SCU if I had to guess (if the multi tool is size 0, the FPS tractor should be size 1, which also happens to be the size of the tractor beams on the Cutty, Nomad, and C1 as of what we know now, subject to change.) so the Nomad can load the 4SCU boxes with its 4x3x2 grid. Thus the C2 would be limited to the multi tool at 1 SCU or the FPS tractor at, lets assume 6 SCU (the average of 4 to 8). at 696 SCU this would require 116 movements. compared to the Caterpillar's 17.6 rounded to 18 movements for a full load. We are talking moments to minutes in comparison for Cargo. This would be one card in the favor of the Cat, which... isn't much as the C2 has so many more cards in its hand, but hey, its something lol. Sorry for the long explanation. I love your content!
@@WingZeroType Also, may I ask why you compare the Tana and Buccaneer to medium fighters despite CIG marketing them as light fighters? I guess to me the balance is the shields, no s2, not medium IMO.
@@wafflesinsanity I like your reasoning, the only thing I'd change is I'd round the containers down a bunch, since the cargo of the cat is split into a bunch of sections. Since 32 SCU cargo containers won't mold to fit the sections of the caterpillar, you'll probably have a bunch of open sections left in the caterpillar, so you'd probably get something more like 14 32 SCU containers due to the gaps. Also, thanks! I really appreciate you checking out my videos and giving me your thoughts. This is why I do it :D
@@wafflesinsanity For me it's the capacitor levels. Light fighters have a capacitor regen pool worth 4500, medium fighters have 5500, and heavies have 10,000. If you didn't call s1 shields medium fighters, then the hornet and glaive would be light fighters, which doesn't really make sense. And if you require s2 shields for medium, what becomes the distinguisher for heavies? it can't be number of shields, b/c the hurricane has 1 s2 shield and it's a heavy fighter. So I really do think that the capacitor amount is the best way to gauge it, since it directly relates to the firepower of the ship and everything else more or less follows along.
Thank you! I use HOSAS and I will probably make a short video about my setup at one point. What kind of things would you be interested in seeing in that type of video?
The Shrike??? Do you use it for VHRTs? I'm really curious how you use it because I love missile boats lol. And yeah I'm glad you like the prowler, so many people sleep on it but thats exactly the loadout I use as well!
conni is just redonkalus when you factor in you can keep shields up and use a turret if you set your Cruse control to a low setting, turrets are more viable i found espcially in atmosphere tho not beating a sentinal i would assume with a distrotion scatter gun
Connie is totally rediculous, even the retaliator can just tank incoming damage if you get in a turret if there aren't a lot of enemies left thanks to its massive hull hp. I personally prefer using the missiles and original guns but that's because it usually doesn't take me too long to line up shots, even against hurricanes and wardens
I think the Ion deserves to be higher up the tier list in all honesty. There is nothing in VHRT bounties that the Ion can't hit with ease, save perhaps the Hurricane which can be admittedly tricky. But beyond the Hurricane, the Ion makes short work of any of the targets you're faced with. It's decently maneuverable making tracking and evasive maneuvering fairly simple, can tank hits quite well, and doesn't need to restock on ammo saving money and time. I'd personally put it up in B at a minimum, but probably even A tier in all honesty. I'm generally in and out within a minute or so of arriving at the bounty location.
Hey thanks for sharing your thoughts. I want to love the Ion so badly, I even had it pledged for a while. But I don't personally think it makes its way up there. I'm making this list for the average player who's looking into getting into bounty hunting with various ships and I'm comparing all the ships against each other. The Ion is extremely powerful in its dps and its missile loadout but its got sluggish handling and it's definitely difficult to aim. It requires using a different aiming muscle memory than literally every other ship in the game. If you fly the Ion A LOT then yes, you've probably gotten good at compensating for the lack of aim assist and the offset targetting, but it requires a bunch of effort to make it effective whereas the ships that I've put in the A-tier felt much more effortless and consistent for me.
Love this list, but would have loved to see the Mercury Star Runner on here as well, especially considering some of the other non-fighters you included. I expect it would rank low, but it does have speed and agility on its side for its size.
Thanks for the kind words and the feedback. I left it off the list because it'd be low D tier and it's not really a fighter in any case. I wanted to keep all of the starter ships on the list so that newer players know what kind of performance they can expect from their ship (and how big of an upgrade other ships might be for them). And yeah, I kept the racers on there as well since people use them for combat thanks to their incredible maneuverability and small size. Unfortunately the MSR isn't particularly maneuverable or tanky for its size, especially when you consider the types of enemies you'll be going against in a VHRT (tanky enemies with really high turreted dps that can auto-track you). So it'd get lit up really fast. And then add on top of that it has really low pilot-controlled dps, and thats why I've left it out. I might cut out the racing ships for the next update if they're still low performing. It's hard to figure out where to draw the line, and I don't own most of these ships so it takes me a considerable amount of time to grind for them in-game after a patch wipe so I try to focus on the most likely candidates. I still appreciate the feedback though, and a few others have asked about the MSR so maybe I should include it next time (if the funds allow) lol
@@WingZeroType That absolutely makes sense! If we're able to connect without giving out details over the comments section, I'd be more than happy to let you borrow my MSR, even if you don't include it in your results
@@alphamedialabs thanks, I appreciate it! I have a discord if you ever feel like chatting with some cool folks about star citizen stuff. discord.gg/GBBMgujnWT
Thanks a bunch! And the timer is an in-game timer that was added in the game since race tracks were added in the game so that people could time their own races more easily. By default it's not bound to anything but if you go into the advanced controls customization you can bind it to whatever you want. I have mine bound to the zero key -> press it to start/pause the timer and hold zero to reset the timer :)
Do you plan on updating this for future patches? Seems like a good bit of stuff has changed since 3.19 and we're now in 3.21 with 3.21.1 approaching rapidly.
Yes I absolutely plan to. 3.20 changed the most stuff with the new enemy ships but it also brought shield holes to many ships which is actually a big deal. I've been hoping they fix the shield holes so that I could do a list that wasn't completely invalidated by a single bug (since these lists take me FOREVER to make, as you might expect). I was just out of the country for 10 days on holiday but now that I'm back and I'm hearing good things about the latest patch stability i'll start my testing of all the combat ships in the latest patch and hopefully have an update in the next month or two. Basically you want much higher dps now if you're doing single VHRTs, and you don't mind having slightly lower dps if you're doing group VHRTs, since 2 of the 3 targets in group VHRTs will be relatively quick kills. The issue is right now with the shield holes the massive ships with the mega dps are also a bit brittle since their shields don't tank all the damage... hence me hoping for a fix lol
I agree with your list 99% of the time. The Corsair is “A” tier? I personally would put it more like “C” the maneuvering is atrocious and putting guns on any target is next to impossible
the maneuvering is atrocious but it can definitely get its guns on the target. you need to control your initial engagement and make sure you're not closing distance to the enemy too quickly. And using the up-strafe while pitching is really helpful in getting more time on target. I was pleasantly surprised at how well it's been performing for me in 3.19. I just flew it for another hour last night (trying gimballed laser repeaters) and again had some pretty good success.
For my sentinel I change out the missile racks to 481 for a total of 32 Taskforce missiles. Firing 4 at a time they can rip the wings and guns off a Hurricane 70% of the time and every now and then they'll 1 shot Hurricanes and Valks. I don't use the EMP to take down the shields per se. I use the lasers to take down a shield face and then pop EMP as they fly past. If the EMP hits the bare hull it actually disables the shield generator for a few mins leaving them completely vulnerable.. Only works on Valks and smaller though. But its a great way to keep their shields out of the fight.
I haven't really had it work on valks or wardens but I have had the EMP work on hurricanes, they have a competition grade powerplant which makes them susceptible i suppose. I usually open up combat against hurricanes with a bunch of missiles but i've never one-shot them with s1 or s2 missiles I don't think.... maybe I have not sure lol. I've used so many different kinds at this point I have a hard time keeping them straight. I'll be doing a bunch of missile testing soon though but i'm curious, the taskforce missiles are EM right? I've had issues with EM missiles missing if I fire them from farther than 4k away, it just seems like they never track the enemy at all. Have you had that issue? What range and speed do you fire the missiles at?
@@WingZeroType Yes they're EM , I've noticed the same but its not related to the distance but more the 'activity' of the target. Once they start moving then the range I can lock on and have them track is equivalent to their EM signature. This is just something I've noticed , I need to do more testing. I think I have a recording of a Hurricane and/or Valkyrie getting one shot by 4 taskforce somewhere. I found them more effective than Rattlers. Re the EMP the trick is to use your guns to get down a shield face first so the EMP strikes baremetal. Then that kills the shield generator
@@yobizzyb hehe well I do fire all 4 in 1 volley :P but still I'm surprised 4 tiny S1 missiles that look like lawn darts attached to the bottom of my Vanguard can kill a Valkyrie. I've shot multiple S2 and S3 missiles and not gotten the same effect. Got another one lastnight . Saved the recording.
@@cyvan1750 I've definitely seen the same thing with targets with EM missiles, but same as you I haven't tried to test it methodically yet. And I've taken down the shield face before launching the emp, maybe its inconsistent. Do you know if you have to aim at the target when the EMP is firing? I'm assuming not since it's a literal sphere of distortion damage, but I just want to make sure that's not what I'm missing lol
Yep I definitely agree in the current patch. When this tier list was made I don't think ERT bounties were worth looting yet, so this list is based solely on mission completion efficiency.
I use an eclipse. I use typhoons and fire at 9k and hit 90%+ running group ERTs. Smaller ships I sometimes have to get within 6 km but that's fine and those hit too. Never much danger in the eclipse. I do like the tali a lot and wish I had one of those as well but the eclipse is a great bounty ship for group ERTs.
That's great to hear! Do you never have issues with the IR typhoons not locking at that range? I had a lot of issues with the lock being a red circle and not turning green until I got closer. Do you fire at a specific speed or does it basically not matter at that range?
@@WingZeroType curious too, i don't understand the way missiles works + they always miss even in green. i usually fire at last moment under 2k. cuz i feel like too soon is garuanteed decoy fail
@@Khinouille I hit my cross section regular missiles from 4k almost all the time, but torps are a different beast. For s9 torpedos, i usually try to fire as close as possible, so usually around 3.2k for seekers to give the server a second to catch up and keep the missile lock (and not get under the minimum range)
On the subject of using Seeker 9s for the Eclipse/Retaliator, those Seeker 9 Torbs have been consistently unreliable in the sense that even if you are fully locked in in the green circle, they still dummy fire and not track MOST of the time. I swapped over to the Typhoon 9s and they’ve ALWAYS seeked out the target and kills the hammerheads 100% of the time. They are the 2nd fastest size 9 but the speed difference is almost identical to the Seekers 9s. Just do yourself a favor and use Typhoon 9s. I’ve even shot them at a distance so even if they hammerheads start shooting at them, they are too fast for the HH’s to even react. No need to do drivebys
interesting, you're the third person to mention them. I haven't had the issues you've mentioned with Seeker 9s but I'm definitely going to give the Typhoons a shot. And I think Typhoons are actually the fastest torpedo, with seekers shortly behind. Do you not have issues with the IR locking with red circles? I've seen that with a bunch of IR missiles.
@@WingZeroType I’ve always had issues with the 3 SIZE 9s when it comes to the lock on being red at every distance. I’ve shot my size 9 at over 10Km away and as little as 2-3km away. But it seems to lock on green around 6km on average.
saw this yesterday, wanted to respond to a few comments but bed log was needed. in the previous comment i replied why i think the tarus is current S+ tier, and will continue to do so even with the additon of blades in future because of tractor beam with VHRT fast looting. being closer to 790credit per hr not 490credit per hr as a solo ship. especially being the best ship in the game. but the part i wanted to add was this. the ion and inferno are drawn as same size ships but the ion is actually large medium, where the inferno is small large. and tho the armor reductions and not in game yet, that will be more signifigent between the pair later on. but as is for current with mass haul hp. and servers doing odd haul reporting at times. first time since over a year and half of ownerships the inferno has had engines break off the ship. NOT COOL... the ares are practically unflyable without 1 of their engines. so not only ontop of the mass adjustments for hull hps, but the ships are currently breaking more than should, the weapons have been reduced in rages significantly, the ion and gatling rof have been reduced and offset, and the weapon sizes were changed from S9 to S7's which also dramatically effects ranges. the inferno use to engage at 1200-2400m with a max range of 4800m and able to hit large+cap ships at 3200m with its unique gatling spread. now as current, the alpha damage is less, and those ranges were reduced too 2250m, so being a gatling it has an effective spead range at 750-1350m. so it went from 2250m avg for x< large ships too 950m ranges. so the ares ion and inferno have less hp, their armor isnt being calculated currently, and their alpha damage has been reduced, and their ranges went from 2250m avg to 950m avg. and their breaking now. so with all things considered the aries heavy fighters have fallen not from A+ to C+ but A+ to D- as current state of the game. just wanted to put that out there.
Well I'm not grading the ships on what they are vs what they used to be, i'm grading them on relative performance vs what all the other ships are currently capable of in the game. Also I never knew they had 4800m range, but honestly against most VHRT targets you won't hit your shots at 2.8k, much less at 4.8k. I think the missiles is what takes the ships up to the c tier, without them I agree they'd be D tier because the offset of the guns makes them so hard to aim, and the ships are so much more sluggish than they used to be.
@@WingZeroType reason i ranked them lower is because their breaking apart a lot more, ship stability and reliability is Ctier and above... if the ship falls apart easily (like a cutlas) that is immediate D tier! and that is exactly now the aries ships are reacting currently (when suppose to be heaviest armored fighter with A10warthog style gun on the inferno aka the tank killer). the offset aim as a fixed isnt so bad once you get use to it, but the weapon down grades, and the last year all gun range nerfs alone hurt the aries from the last VHRT rating hard. and being a large ship with no additional ammo for the infero... the S7 gatling doesnt have sustained fighting doing VHRT or idirus strafes back to back to back as it did as a S9 with previous years ranges. and reason for nerfs was because the ions over popularity as a large medium vs the infernos small large. so dont get me wrong, i think the changes for the ion is spot on. and if where if going to run a lot of S2 missiles might as well run a constellation anyway. so there has been so much things upsetting about the inferno threw the past year, is why i crunched mine. and making her slow and vulnerable like a cutlas was my breaking point. as i prefer not to own a D tier or lower ship! despite loving the look, idea, and design of the inferno too. so sad days for inferno owners. and more power to them to hold and wait for armors and blades for shield bonuses and weapon overcharging ect. but for myself, these last few updates with her breaking was the last straw with no remedial fixes, and i waited 3 patches too. and no bueno, no go! Crunch!
@@psychepeteschannel5500 honestly, who's to say it's not. The stick... the screens... the voice... that weird chair.... there's something goin on for sure
I am a bit confused, you refer to VHRT as one of the best ways to make money, but why not ERT? personally I make a lot more money doing ERTs, is there some kind of barrier that prevents it being available to all players?
ERTs will make more than VHRTs, that is true. The issue is that you have significantly less variety in ships that can efficiently do ERTs to beat the level of income you'd generate with VHRTs. VHRTs are much more widely applicable to most folks then since the ships that are best at ERTs are the torpedo bombers and the 600i. Corsair and Connie can do it too but if the server is a fast one you can take some real damage in the process, therefore slowing you down by forcing you to repair.
I completely agree. The lighter ships are so fun to fly, i really wish they gave them a profitable gameplay loop now that they've nerfed them so hard in VHRTs.
Don't regret it! Save for the vanguard and have both like I do, you can kill AI with vanguard fast but you will have such a blast flying the gladius because of how maneuverable is that it makes dogfighting way more fun to do!
@@Microwavesays yea, I've been enjoying flying it, but I've still been making money with 60k merc missions, and I'm going to get a vanguard soon, shouldn't take too long anyways
@@twist_media_youtube yeah that’s also the way I did it to earn the money for the vanguard, was just in a loop of 3 merc missions, the defending site which was 15k, the 60k and a 75k which is the same 3 waves but with 8 enemies on the last wave
Great video, I agree with everything but in comparison between Sentinel and Basic variant Warden, sentinel have EMP but also half of Total HP for hull then Warden.
Thank you! I need to test this out. I know that SPviewer says that the sentinel has half the total HP, but erkul says that they're the same. So I will have to get both ships and shoot at them while they're stationary to confirm :)
@@luka5games308 well spviewer was still showing differences, but I'm going to test now anyway just to be sure. Fortunately they aren't planning on wiping in 3.20 so it shouldn't take too long to earn the money to buy both :D
Thank you for confirming that! Did you have to subscribe for a certain amount of time before it became available or as soon as you get the higher tier sub you get access to it?
@@WingZeroType I've had the lower tier for like 2 months in the past but I got it first month on the high tier. It was available right away, but yea only available with the high tier subscription.
Haha if you have any specific questions let me know! Also this will probably change around a bit for 3.20 based on the bounty hunting changes that are showing up in the ptu
Thanks for the suggestion, that's a good point. I don't think both would fit on there too easily, but I should've typed out a text list in the description or at least had a separate image with just the names instead of the images. I'll try to remember that for the next one
@@WingZeroType Can confirm is a gimball, it's just hard to percieve it, but when i used fixed weapons and accidentally switched to target mode, I could move my AD4B around
So you can change the different screens that you have access to in the cockpit by pressing the button on the top left. Go into the Weapons MFD and then on the 2nd tab of that MFD you can assign each weapon to either group 0 or group 1. Group 0 is left click, group 1 is right click.
@WingZeroType thanks for the confirmation. But I found a reddit post that this issue has been taken to cig, and they mentioned as this about to stay . They don't intent to revert back
@@paranikumarlpk interesting, that's higher acceleration than the interceptors, which doesn't make sense. Personally, I'm taking that reddit post with a giant grain of salt until I see or hear it directly from the devs.
@@WingZeroType that's great! I like its look and dedicated gunship vibe, but only play solo and so so many others just write it off as useless without crew.
Hey sorry I ended up cancelling my plans for the updated 3.22 tierlist when I learned that 3.23 is going to have master modes and will change everything. For the rest of 3.22, this list is mostly accurate - the main things I'd change are moving the prowler and the Ares ships higher (Ares is S-tier, prowler is probably A-tier with ballistics), and adding the new ships to the list. San Tok Yai is probably A-tier, spirit series is C-tier, and F8C is S-tier.
Yeah unfortunately it's not a good bounty hunting ship because it's too large and doesn't have enough dps or survivability to tackle VHRTs efficiently. I kept a bunch of other weak ships in here because they were starter ships or combat ships or they used to be viable bounty hunters but if the MSR was here it'd be near the bottom of the D tier.
Nope, it's too large and weak to handle group VHRTs effectively. It'd be bottom of D tier thanks to its mediocre maneuverability, large size, mediocre shielding for its size, and low dps.
most likely F tier... it's too big and slow and doesn't have enough shields to fight in the current VHRTs, and it's also got really low dps. Could you do it? probably, but there's plenty of tools that would be better for the job
the Hawk in a VHRT???? it's EMP is for crap over anything bigger than itself and the DPS is very questionable for a VHRT. i would have actually put the Talon in place of the hawk using 2 AD4B with 1150 shots each and just foil the wings, you close your hit box and lose no agility.
yeah i agree about folding the talon wings in to make your life easier, but I disagree about the AD4Bs being a good loadout for the Talon for VHRTs, you're going to have to repair every 1-2 bounties that way, whereas the hawk can definitely handle itself with a competent pilot. If you're finding success with the Talon, I would be surprised if you coudln't find more success with the Hawk, while adjusting your playstyle for the less agile ship (but with significantly more dps).
I personally prefer size 5 laser cannons, but some people swear by the AD5B ballistic gatlings. They're not a bad option, IMO but I like the infinite ammo of the laser cannons. I don't prefer gimbals b/c the C2 is an agile enough ship (despite its massive size) to be able to land those shots.
@@WingZeroTypeyup also agreed I prefer the omnis. I did want to ask about the vangaurd I found the capacitor struggles with all laser canons (omni5 + 4x laser canons) is the only solution to run the deadlock as the size 5 Canon? Not a big fan of ballistics so was wondering if there's other viable builds for quickly doing ERTs
@@mas0ny149Some people like using an AD5B on the S5 to give more shots to the MVSAs, but I personally prefer keeping it to all fixed laser cannons. Yes, the capacitor needs to recharge more often and it feels like you're doing less dps but the actual dps you do overtime is higher since the s5 laser cannons do obscene dps while firing.
@@WingZeroType ah gotcha I Alps like all laser canons so I'll stick with that. Thanks for your reeponses :) really helpful love ur channel as well. Any chance we get a ERT tier list haha?
@@mas0ny149haha maybe.. it's going to be tricky though since the ERT tier list would have to include looting, since that's the most profitable way to do ERTs right now I think ;)
Man all I like to do is dogfight these bounties, I have the Arrow, Gladius, and Hornet Ghost. As of 3.19 all the escorts just ram me repeatedly, and take all the fun out of the game for me :/
Yeah I'm with you, losing light and medium fighters as really viable options in this patch has been painful. The AI has always been ram-happy, it's just that now that the AI is functioning better we're seeing more of it lol
Great video I really enjoyed it. I have a Cutty Black as my starter ship. I was working on doing bounty's in it and it was not as good as it use to be for sure. Early on in the testing for 3.19 I was enjoying doing bounty salvage but then they nurfed what you could sale the guns and such for. Now I am debating on getting the vanguard or the Andromeda. I have had a Vanguard in the past and loved it. I am guessing the Andromeda requires less skill to do well than a Vanguard. The Vanguard though looks like it would be more fun.
Thanks a bunch! And yeah I agree, the cutty/freelancer both took a hit this patch since they're not quite tanky enough to account for their size/speed in an outnumbered combat situation. And about vanguard vs connie, I think they both require different kinds of skill. The Andromeda is tankier and has higher dps but it's harder to get your guns on target, so aiming at something like a hurricane requires more ability to control the inertia of the ship and really timing your shots. The Vanguard is much more agile than the connie but it's much squishier, and in an outnumbered bounty situation you're definitely on the clock and need to land your dps quickly otherwise your shields will go down and you'll have to disengage and try again. So it sort of depends what type of gameplay you enjoy more. The vanguard does benefit from being about half the cost though (after fittings are considered)
The main difference is the versatilitie. With a Vanguard you can do Bounty and FPS Missions. And delivery. With the Andromeda you can haul Cargo. ROC Mining. Transport an Ursa to help in some FPS Missions. Loot targets if they have cargo or weapons you want to have. But Andromeda is very sluggish. So just rent one and test it.
Unfortunately the redeemer turrets also have issues with getting damaged and stopping functionality. That said, the Redeemer is generally better multicrewed as long as you're against heavy fighters thanks to the two turrets that have 2xs5 each, plus the ship has twice the shields of a constellation (although the turrets breaking is usually due to ballistic/missile damage that passes through shields). How many people are you multicrewing with?
@@WingZeroType Thank you for the response! I know the video was focused on solo-only bounty hunting. If you wouldn’t mind answering, what options would you say are S-tier for 2 people?
@@TheBigSadNut You're totally welcome! I'd probably say the hurricane and the Redeemer, thanks to the immense dps of both of them and the capability to be tanky in different ways. Probably the A2/M2/C2 as well, in that order (since the A2 gets s5 hardpoints on the turrets). I love constellations too but I think the turret on the connie is probably not quite strong enough, even though the rest of the connie's outfit is pretty dang good, so maybe it gets honorable mention. The scorpius has higher dps than the hurricane actually, but it has worse acceleration and it's less tanky thanks to it's much larger cross section, so that'd be one that I think needs some actual seat time to judge whether or not the dps of 8xs3 weapons is good enough to kill the enemy before you get taken out :D
Origin X85 - the worst joke of a ship in Star Citizen. Initially, it had at least a luxury interior and cool styling! Now its like a dated Renault R5 Base model with the trunk missing... This is supposed to be Origin made? *Preposterous shit* . . .
haha I don't mind it for a small little runabout. I think we need a few more "car"-like ships that are just about getting you from point A to point B. But I agree a bit more of the origin brand shining through would be nice
Been waiting for this. I usually don't let tier lists influence decisions, but your last one had me trying ships I really didn't expect to care about. Was hoping you'd make another one!
That's great to hear! I'm curious about whether you agreed with me after you tried ships you didn't typically try (at least in that patch... since things changed drastically in 3.18 and again in 3.19. But curious what you think about my rankings this time around too
@@WingZeroType Biggest thing is the Banu Defender. I almost skipped alien week altogether, but bought one in game, and 2 days later pledged it. I'm not sure what CIG wants it to be. Medium fighter stats that flies like a light fighter. A little rough on some bounties like Reclaimers, but I agree solid B, if not A tier for me. This list more accurately says what I've been thinking. With the changes to the reclaimer and moles being added, you need more firepower. Most of the light fighters were struggling to keep up vs busting out the connie.
@@KaizikuM yeah totally agree, and that weird positioning of the Defender is something that seems to be unique to alien ships. The Glaive is also kind of the same, between a medium and a heavy. I honestly kind of like it. Blur the lines a bit and give a ship a unique combination of strenghts/weaknesses
For everyone looking at the Tier List and thinking about getting a Conny: The Constellation Andromeda (Laser Repeaters) and the Phoenix (Laser Cannons) are both available for rent at New Babbage (Microtech). Update, as WingZero said: Due to the default loadout being fully gimballed, you can expect even more dmg when you buy it and change two S5 gimballs to Cannons, aswell as some more shield strength with a Grade A Shield.
This is a really good FYI for folks to see how the connie flies, but folks should just note that the default loadout of the ships are fully gimballed, which means you don't get to take advantage of the massive dps increase of the S5 cannons. I'd probably have put a fully gimballed loadout somewhere in the lower A-tier, but honestly I didn't even try it because dps is king IMO
@@Hurric4ne_ the ship in design is a 4 size 5 hardpoint ship, the reason we have this weird setup, is because an old design flaw that they put lower two guns at the bottom of lower engines rather than top, so size 5 weapon will cause the ship landing in crash. Connie's been out there for years, and CIG just ever borther to fix it, so this weird setup of weapons stays with Connie like a curse.
@@WingZeroType you mean quad size 4. all conny varrients have 2 fixed gimbles, and dong 2s4 gimble and 2s5 fixed breaks tracking and projectial flight times. so its 4s4 gimbled. which is great for combat considering she is slower than most combat ships.
theres been a lot of distaste for the conny lower turret mounts, that visibility is minimal from the seated positions with legs and chair consuming 50% of the aimed field of fiew. where the aqulia variant only has a lower gunner because the top is a long range scanner, which is nice for explorations, but not nice for combats. also the ship isnt so heavy in mass she cant fly in inverted orbital positions. alot of people like the new dome design of the aqulia variant saying its their favorite. i disagree. the rebars of the domb is 2 times larger than the other variants and actually takes up more field of vew. granted, the twin bars on the other ships being so close together makes is difficult at times when maneuvering rapidly threw astroid fields for some bounties or other missions ect. but the actual view of larger lower pannels helps you track ground landing positions, as well as the small top bar helps you see where the top turret line is on that variant of ship. something else about the constellation is this. the top beds dont work, so can only crew 2 for log outs, also below the bottom bed has vise leaf clipping, and the space is drawn inside the ship. this is bad for 2 reasons. 1 its open portal hole in the ship that creates lower fps while within the ship, so when server fps drops you can really notice when the servers are starting to dumb and 30k. some people like this as a precurser to stop what you are doing and bed log before you loose your shipment, or items ect. others dislike it because it is a combat disadvantage. and this is for all constellation variants. something else, every variant tho not specified has a p52 or p72 merlin snub fighter attached to it, where only the andromida has the newer p72 combat fighter. and can only swap components from the ship manifest with the andromida. the bad point about this. it creates a rear hole in the ships shield zone. so if an arrow or something tinny manages to get right behind you, they are doing haul damage even with lazer repeaters. not cool. also, if you turn on the sub fighter its tinny hull and shields become targetable, and aiming at it can sometimes bug and cause rounds to fly threw the constellations killing components and players ect. ntm if the merlin's die, then explode and do damage and kill your constellations. for this reasons, i find tho not the best thruster setup or weapons loadout at base. you can upgrade the tarus, where the longer bed is nice for storing a rover + found tiems or boxes and hauling items. i do not recommend storing 2 rovers, or a rover and roc, or a rover and fury, or 2 furys in the tarus. tho they fit, the ship becomes very slow like a turtle. the added bonus is the tarus cargo drop bed isnt just longer but slightly wider, making it easier to load, park, exit and use the bed floor buttons to get around in the dropped cargo bed. so from my own personal experience, the tarus tho the cheapest of the constellation variants, she is the best... that is once you upgrade her. and the power 2s2 tractor beams will also make quick work of looting ships. making it that much more valuable when doing bounties, because you can drop the bed, get in the tractor, and loot the ships as fast as you kill them. then be on your way after. making bounty payments 2times better. so the tarus payout isnt 450k per hr, but closer to 790k per hr. making it S+ tier also tho the constellation ships are a large ship, they have a medium computer. tiny 0, small 1, medium 2 blade slot attachments later on. so... you could blade improve shield regen rates on the computer, and blade 1 gun. then all slots are filled. this is a better future concept as well, because the andromeda, has 2 turret guns, it has a coms copiolet chair and missles/scanning chair. but no drive or shield terminals, this means you cant assign an ai to manage these components. but if you wanted to assign an ai to a gun you could, but if getting 1 ai for a turret you might as well have 2 ai for turrrets. then do 1 blade as shield regen, and 1 blade as power, because more guns and more shields means more capasitor usage. so operations of a fully manned andromeda with blades and ai cost far more than the tarus. meanwhile the tarus can loot the kills faster and still use 2 blades in future for 1 man crew with piolet and that is future, when blades come out. so tarus is best now, with least bugs, best profit ratios, loading and looting speeds, 30k warnings, and great after a few upgrades. meanwhile, the andromeda fully crewed needs ai+blades being a far more operational expense, and requires manual loot times which negates the bonus damage shares of + 1 turret 2s2 guns. it actually earns far less credit per hr, because of fast looting with the tractorbeam on the tarus. so not just now, but future as well, the tarus is the only S+ tier VHRT credit/hr
This video needed to be made and you are the guy to make it. Been waiting months for your take on the new VHRT’s. I agree with everything you said and learned a lot I didn’t know about hull hp adjustments. Thank you sir
Thank you for the amazingly kind words! yeah 3.18 was rough with the content drought, bugs, and issues with fits not being saved on claim, and then once 3.19 and 3.19.1 landed I lost a bunch of in-game-bought stuff each time, so it took a while to earn the money to get the ships to get enough experience to make a (hopefully) knowledgeable video. I'm glad you liked and found it useful, thanks for checking it out!
No more Arrow boosting, dodging, and rolling around a VHRT to victory, it was so fun. I guess this was inevitable. Very happy to see you back Wing. I hope you continue doing more videos for 3.19.
Yeah I'm bummed to lose my gladius and arrow hilarious times as well. I'm sad that they really reduced ship flexibility with the introduction of the reclaimers, but what canya do. And yeah it's great to be back! 3.18 was a pretty rough content drought and really buggy and I lost a bunch of ships in 3.19 and 3.19.1 so it's taken me a while to get enough stuff together to get another video out, but hopefully i'll be able to get some more out a bit more regularly unless CIG deletes their servers again
Arrow was my first ship and I loved it a shit ton. But atleast other ships in the medium-class are getting raised, some of their designs I absolutely adore.
It absolutely is! It's harder for sure, so the average player is going to make less money than they used to, but I still think it pays better than many other (non-exploity) careers lol
20:15 "Every day is a shit day when you own a Cutlass Black!" Wait that came out wrong. Also I see nothing wrong with that interior whatsoever. Everything is fine. #ProudCuttyblackcargopira.... I mean #ProudCuttyblackcargohauler!
Prettttyyy low, it's only got 3 size 3 weapon hardpoints which doesn't give it much dps at all. And it's a giant target, so it'd be on the list because it's a "starter" but it'd be near the back of D-tier for VHRTs. But it'd be decent up to MRTs and can even do HRTs and VHRTs with some difficulty.
For a solo ship I'd recommend the corsair.. imo it's got a better layout internally than the connie and the firepower is great.. and it's got a ramp which imo is better for exporing cargo than the connie.. It's main drawback imo is the hp atm is 25% less than what the connie has..
@@Derguz I may get the sentinel first as it's the least expensive in game and I'll be able to make more VHRT money to afford the others. The Corsair is s very good looking ship, the only thing that worries me is the tankiness difference between it and the Connie. I have used the rental Connie at times to try and farm HRTs too.
@@CrymsAI DPS: Corsair > Connie. HP: Connie < Corsair. I don't use HOSAS so I prefer gimballed repeaters - Using the Corsair, you prioritize ballistic fighters, like the Buccaneer and Avenger Stalker, then everything else in VHRT is shield management.
Andromeda is like S+ Tier for me. Oh and when they say its a freighter. Their talking about all the bodies you are stacking up since its a GUN ship mainly :) Thanks for video!
Yeah I think its a fair claim. I left it out of the S tier because even though it has amazing dps and good loadout flexibility, it's still quite large and eats shots really fast, it can't disengage when things go south, and if you get hit by the errant missile you can still get a really bad torque imbalance.
I've been using my Redeemer to chain group VHRTs of late and I am finding it more efficient than the Vanguard. I use it with 4x S3 repeaters as I find the gimbals / remote turret give you a little more arc to hit the more nimble targets. The 2x S3 shields let you take most of the damage of 3-4 AI ships on the chin without issue.
Yeah I can definitely see that. I personally still like the vanguard more because it's faster and has the size 5 big gun for more dps but the redeemer is definitely solid as well. It's a lot less stressful thanks to the repeaters and tankiness and even has a solid missile loadout as well so I can definitely see that
I was wondering if there will be another tier list anytime soon :D Well, here are my two cents: While i'm a bit sad that the Corsair is not S-Tier, i can see your reasons. Still think it's the better ship for solo compared to the Conny though :D But that may be because i've now CCUed my (only!) ship to it, since i feel it's the best all-around and finished ship we have right now (e.g. a "return" button to return the elevator back up instead of needing to press a button on the elevator and jumping off). Not a big fan of the fixed ballistic loadout though. While i tried full ADBs compared to your cannons, i felt the aiming required and the slow turning/evading of the ship is too much to do both. Having a fully gimballed setup (especially as default) removes the need of aiming and gives me more time to react/evade. The only time i'd definitely go back to full ADBs would be HH/Idris as my main/only enemy.
Yeah I also had a CCU'd Corsair for a while since I wanted to test it out for bounty hunting purposes, but I've been really bummed about its performance in 3.19 with laser weapons. I feel like the ship is way too slow to get around the enemies and Hurricanes and Wardens basically never let you see their backside, so you're just always shooting at their infinite front shield. That's what made me try the ballistic loadout, even though I think ballistics are nerfed in 3.18+ compared to before, and it actually performed pretty well. Unfortunately, it's still slow as molasses getting in and out of combat so it loses time there lol
@@WingZeroType Pretty much this. I'm trying it now because I want to love the Corsair but these missiles don't care about my decoys and then the ship has torque imbalance. It's nuts. Also if you have someone get in your remote turret, the pilot can no longer adjust power to shields, weapons or engines. The gunner has to do it. Crazy. If you get a 30k recovery then it spawns the ship in the hangar with wings deployed as well and that makes it super difficult. With how janky the AI fly right now, it's tough sometimes in this ship.
Yeah the copilot “takeover" is just stupid imo, my friend always has to use one of the manned side turrets 😅. I always increase the decoy amount to 4 at once, wich helps unless the server is really bad. Haven't seen an unfolded Corsair in the hangar though, even after two 30Ks, interesting.
@@WingZeroType I stick to a full gimballed repeater loadout as I don't use HOSAS, and yeah, the s2 ships are a bit of a pain, but you can maneuver behind them, or use missiles and target an engine first.
@@tomfoolery1967 CIG have added HP to the Corsair's thrusters, so there's less chance a single S1 missile will send one into wild swings in this patch. With incoming missiles, you now have to spam 5+ decoys. Corsair wings after 30k is a common issue (IC STARC-58690).
I must say this is a very detailed list. Now, it still bugs me rhat people think that "top speed" is so important and think that fighting above SCM speed is a good idea. Do people know what SCM speed actually means? Like "Safe Combat Maneuvering speed"? Except a few really good pilots, we have a whole bunch of people thinking they are good at ship combat, ignoring that the NPCs are very slow due to server performance and that speeds above SCM make it worse. I'll ignore PvP for the most part, because beside of the mentioned good pilots, PvP boils down to people thinking they are good when they actively chose to only attack weaker targets and take out non-combat ships with combat ships. So far the new flight modes changes look promising and hopefully put an end to the jousting nonsense.
One more thing to add: i think that bounties will change a lot in the not so distant future. First due to being able to catch bounties alive and deliver them, second to flight modes and physical damage. Don't forget: the current game is incomplete with a lot of things missing. I highly doubt that VHRTs and ERTs (especially the group ones) are ment for solo pilots in small ships. So your tier list will change a couple of times more the closer the mechanics get to being final.
Yeah its true, its very hard to come across equivalently skilled pilots naturally in the verse since it's such a large place with less than 100 people in it at any given time. I'm excited about master modes and hoping they bring some good changes to the game. I totally agree that everything is going to change many times in the future, but given that we have no real way of knowing when that'll happen i'll keep updating the list anytime major changes come on through so that people who aren't as familiar with the game systems or people who just want another opinion have a place to come to for a (hopefully) informed look at ship performance. What's your favorite system that you're looking forward to? For me, it's gotta be physicalized damage/armor. That will change the current meta completely where more guns isn't always more damage, and matching your weapon calibre to the enemy's armor level might play more of a factor.
@@WingZeroType its gotta be physicalised damage/armor with engineering gameplay. But i am also interested in the new Bounty mechanic and master modes. If you go on spectrum you get a ton of different opinions. I have seen people finding VHRTs hard and other that say that the NPCs are brain dead. Well, then you know they have never ever played on a crisp, responsive server. Both in ships and on food they can be pretty dangerous. Deadly even. I remember one time where i had to disengage with my Corsair because the two wing fighters have been so quick to get onto my six and away from my front, i had to lure them away and decouple while firing back.
So I'm a new player who bought SC awhile back but never really got into it. Don't really want to break the bank either. I played a whole lot of elite dangerous and no man's sky, realized I'm really an explorer and combat oriented never did like the mining stuff just drive to places and explore with occasional combat when I get bored off aimlessly flying. What ship would you recommend me?
Hey welcome to the game! It sort of depends on how much you want to spend, and also it's important to note that exploration isn't built in the game yet as an actual career (despite there being ships "focused" in exploration). so that's a pretty big caveat since I won't really be prioritizing that in my recommendation since who knows what that'll actually need in the future. But for now, a great little ship that can get you around the verse and do some combat is the Avenger Titan. If you want to spend less than that, you could also go for a Mustang Alpha which is a more agile fighter but gives up some additional flexibility like an interior with a bed to sleep in (and log out from) and a more spacious cargo area. The Mustang Beta adds a bit of a living area (not as nice as the Titans) while keeping most of the combat capability of the Alpha, so that's another option. If you're ok to spend a bit more, the Cutlass Black is a really highly recommended ship and for good reason, it's one of the best all-rounders in the game and one of the best bang-for-bucks there is. That said, it doesn't excel at anything, but it's able to dabble in almost anything (except the specialized salvaging and mining careers). I think the best thing I can recommend for you before spending more money on the game is to play it a bit with whatever ship you got when you originally bought the game (the game package always comes with a ship) and see what you actually like doing. Maybe watch some gameplay videos of some of the ships I recommended and see if they suit your style and if you like their gameplay. One more thing worth mentioning is that the game is far from complete, and balance is constantly changing. So a ship that's good at something today might be better or worse at it tomorrow. There's a few MAJOR balance changes yet to come - the combat flight speed change (aka master modes) and the implementation of armor (and physicalized damage). Things will change greatly when each of those changes come in, but we're probably over a year out for either of them (and my best guess for armor is probably 2-3 years out). I'm happy to elaborate on any questions you have more if you'd like but I've already written a short novel so I'll stop blabbing now and let you decide if you want to hear more :)
@@WingZeroType wow thanks for taking the time and really considering my options through. I looked into the ships you recommend to me. the Cutler is currently $125, Mustang $45 and avenger $75. I feel like if I'm going to spend $100+ I might as well save more and get an s tier ship. However the avenger is a solid option. It has a decent cargo space I can fit a small size Rover in and from what I've seen online it's a decent fighter for the price. I might actually get that! That could be a cool little starter that's not crazy expensive. I bought the game years ago and I don't really remember how much I paid originally I think it was like $25 and I got the Aurora as my starter ship. It's a cool little ship kinda ugly though. And no storage and when I flew on a planet's atmosphere something broke I can't remember what it was.
@@thejoyghost17haha you're welcome, and yeah I love the titan! It does have a cargo area but the only existing vehicle that can fit in the back is the PTV, which is the golf cart. It won't do too well on any sort of rough terrain. If you want to lean more towards the exploration side, you could consider the Nomad, which is also an excellent ship. It is a bit weaker for combat though, but has a nicer living area, nicer cockpit (IMO) and it has a pickup-truck-esque rear lift for cargo. The downside of that is your cargo is unprotected so if you're ever running cargo in dangerous space people can swipe it right off your ship. But the nice thing about that is that it's much less limited in what ground vehicles it can carry, since it has unlimited height and the vehicle can stick off the rear a little bit. One other thing to note is that if you're ok with getting rid of your aurora, you can buy what's called a Cross-chassis-upgrade (CCU) and apply that to your game package with the aurora. You basically pay the difference in value of the aurora and your target ship and that "upgrade" is delivered to your hangar on the website. Then you go to your hangar on the RSI website and "apply" that CCU to turn your aurora into whatever the upgraded ship is. Just note that the upgrades can only go in one direction, you can't un-upgrade down to a cheaper ship. They do give you the option to "exchange" your ship though, which you'll commonly see people online refer to as "melting". All that does is take all the money you put into the ship and returns it to you in RSI store credit. You can use that store credit to buy other things. Since you got the Aurora AND the game for $25, I wouldn't melt that package since the price has raised since then, but I just wanted to let you know it was possible. If this all sounds confusing and too much, just know that you can upgrade the aurora to another ship by buying that CCU and applying it on the website (don't forget to apply it!). Or... you can just buy another ship standalone, in which case the prices that you listed are probably a bit high. Since you already have the game package, you don't need to buy the game package again, so an avenger titan would be $60 (in the USA, at least). If you're in another country, the prices might be different but just wanted to ensure you knew you didn't have to buy the game package again. You can see the price of standalone ships and CCUs on the pledge store here: robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge "ships" is where you get the standalone ships and "ship upgrades" is where you can shop for CCUs. You select the "from" ship (aka your aurora) and the "to" ship (aka the titan/nomad/cutlass/whatever) and it'll tell you what the cost of the upgrade is.
I stopped using fixed loadouts on my Corsair. Basically if the ship isn't super maneuverable then I make up for it by using gimbals which puts WAY more dps on target. I can't stand Ballistic loadouts either. The low ammo capacities are super lame. 2600 rounds is hardly anything and that's the high end.
Yeah I tried a full laser loadout at first, but I kept getting shafted by the invincible front S2 shields of the targets, which is why I changed to ballistics. I did have to rearm about every 20 mins, but even after that it made a really solid income, and way better than I managed with laser weapons. Once they fix the front S2 shields, I definitely will be using laser cannons again lol. fixed vs gimballed is a personal choice, I can land my shots with fixed weapons so I much prefer having the higher dps of s5's, some people would rather go gimballed and thats fine too - the option's there for a reason!
Thank you for the list. Your lists are always great to have as ships and bounties go various changes every patch and it's hard to find a suitable ship for both quest effectiveness and my flying preferences. Looks like this patch is going to be rough for me. In your list, I'd only like to fly Vanguard in S-A class. And even that's a sluggish ship to my likings. Agility hit on lost wing thingies is also no good. It looks like Defender is the next best, again. That's one of the ships I genuinely enjoy flying and if it's on the top the B class even though it only has 4xS2 missiles, it must be great. It's too expensive in game though, but I think it still worth it. You also get the fastest QT drive with no range problems. I also loved the way it looks but that's subjective.
No, thank YOU for checking out all my videos. It's these kinds of lovely comments that make it all worth the effort. And yeah I'm bummed that the latest changes have decreased the viability of faster ships in VHRT combat. Balance-wise, I think it makes sense. It doesn''t really make sense that a single gladius would be able to kill a Valkyrie if it's guarded by other valks and hurricanes. But that's why I said I'd like for them to make light-medium fighter VHRTs, so that you could still make good money while using those smaller ships. I think the Banu is the best bet if you like a faster, more agile ship for VHRTs, but it will take some effort. I was moving my power around during combat to let my shields recharge whatever they could when I was firing my guns
@@WingZeroType You have tested 40+ ships and put them in a video with all relevant pros and cons while adding your personal findings and opinions for us. It's really hard task to begin with, yet you have done it amazingly as well. Thanking is the least I could do, really. You more than deserve it. 👏 I'm still shy of one million for defender and still weighing my options. So this video couldn't come at better time for me. Mostly doing service beacons with Mustang now as I just couldn't make the same amount in same time with regular bounties even with the down time of the beacons when they refused to spawn. (and your take on Mustang is just perfect in the video, really it loses a wing so fast in heated fights that I finished more fights with 3 weapons than with 4 weapons. Overheating problem is also just as you described.) Still, I have fun doing low and medium threats. I even went against Connies time to time and so far I haven't lost my ship once (completely!). So I'm up to challange already. I guess Defender would be the next logical step for solo pilot like me. Or maybe the scorpius if I convince my buddy to play and be my gunner :P Either way, I don't think I'd go wrong with any of them based on your tests. This is just the information I needed to decide. Real experience with actual ships on current patch. Simply precious.
Thanks, we're probably a long ways out before getting another tier list update unfortunately, b/c these lists take me weeks to create. It takes time to get experiences flying ships with different loadouts to figure out where they land on the list, and then it takes time to sort of put it all together and ensure that it makes sense so that when someone pics two random ships and compares them, i have a defensible position in the list lol. And lastly, I need the footage for all the ships! Add in the fact that ship combat has COMPLETELY changed with huge changes to all weapons, capacitors, and all ships... there's a lot of work to do lol. I might try to put out a shorter version of a tierlist that groups ships into performance envelopes but it'll be a while before we get something as detailed as a full tier list vid.
@@WingZeroType Yeah makes sense. If you don't mind helping me out a bit: I was thinking of picking up a dedicated Fighter for Invictus and with 3.23 coming out so close before Invictus it's really difficult to find some clear cut opinions on the internet. I really like the Scorpius just because i love how it looks and even Solo it should still have some good DPS. Do you think it would hold up well even in higher Threat Bounties and if not what would you recommend?
In 3.17 the chin turret wasn't available for the pilot to use, and people weren't sure whether that was a bug or intentional. But I'm glad to see that it's back :D It seems like it shouldn't be for the pilot in some ways b/c it gives the pilot access to the ship's turret capacitor, which no other ship allows...
this guide should say: tier list if planning on eating 95% of incoming fire, no offense but the inferno can easily solo crit threats can easily evade all incoming fire, arrow can do erts without getting hit once, im trying to make sense of this list but i cant, some picks are accurate but 600i should be S along with corsair and connie, because of distance strafing all incoming damage, you seem to eat every shot though in your video. Hurricane C tier??? LOL not possible! Hurricane and Scorp should be S by all rights.
Oh man, so much to address here. First off, thanks for giving me your feedback, I can only get better when I hear from people with different perspectives than me. For the hurricane/scorpius comment, this is a solo tier list, and they are definitely not S tier for solo play. For the sake of you saying all high-dps ships with size 5s should be S-tier, you can't always range kite enemies *efficiently*. Just because the 600i can very comfortably kill hammerheads doesn't mean it's the best ship, because it's slow as crap and if you're doing a group ERT or group VHRT you're going to have smaller ships to aim at that have infinite front shields. You can *definitely* get into a situation where your only shots on a ship will hit their front shield and they keep pointing and facing at you. That can get tricky. It doesn't happen a lot, but it *does* happen. I'm trying to figure out which ships are the most effective at doing bounties across all player styles and skill levels. I'm not trying to figure out which ships are able to do the highest level of bounties. I've done over 4 hours of group and solo VRHTs with each of these ships, the footage I picked is just what I thought was most indicative of an average player experience, or what I thought was most scenic. I'm not a top tier pilot in the game, and by definition MOST people aren't top tier. By definition, most people are average. I'm making this list for those people. About why I'm eating all the shots, its faster to get kills this way than to try to kite backwards, especially in slower larger ships, and especially with the smarter AI. At range, hammerheads will rotate their higher shield faces towards you so that you can't just slam through a single shield face and kill them like you used to be able to in 3.17. They don't always blindly follow you like they used to. Sometimes, but not often enough for this to be a reliable strategy in my opinion. As for the claim that the arrow can do ERTs without getting hit even once, I'd challenge you to show me an ERT on a moon where you're in an arrow and you complete the ERT without getting hit even once. It's easy to say in theory, thinking of the best possible scenario where the wingmen are reclaimers and you're fighting in atmo, but you're also going to get into situations where the wingmen are hurricanes and valkyries and you're in atmo, and then you WILL NOT dodge fire. Maybe you're only playing on completely full servers where the AI is dead, but I typically try to find servers where the fps is around 7-10 and there the turrets on those heavy fighters are no joke. You probably have a point about the Inferno though, I don't get beacons... like ever... so I can't comment because I haven't tried it, but I think the inferno would do pretty well at critical threat beacons since they're always in space so you can always disengage if you get in trouble and your fire will just pierce through shields. I probably had a run of bad luck with the ship but I kept having torps/missiles not kill hurricanes and it took me some time and effort to get kills on them. I compared my average kill times and my average income over the few hours with other ships and thats more or less where the inferno landed. It'll probably do even better come 3.20 through since they're going to decrease the spread of its gun though. Thanks again for your reply, you've given me some stuff to think about, but I hope a bit more of what I was thinking about makes sense after this explanation.
Another Hawk W. People have slept on the DPS of this thing but now that we're post-pip wiggle and ballistic magazine nerf, they're going to have to start considering other ships than the Gladi and Arrow.
Where would you put the Aegis Sabre Raven on this? 2 emps, but not much firepower. It's the only ship I have, working on bounty stuff and new to the game. So far, fun.
It's wild to me that it's the only ship that you have. You know how much that goes for on the black market, right? lol. Either way, congrats and welcome to the game! Sorry for the super delayed response, real life got super crazy for me. But unfortunately as you might expect, the Sabre Raven isn't really much of a combat ship on paper. I haven't ever flown one due to how crazy rare and expensive they are so I couldn't tell you from experience if it outperforms its statistics, but it seems it'd really struggle to chew through the large shields that are on the more lucrative bounties in 3.22 to land the EMPs against the hulls, and even after that it'd take forever to chew through the hulls with only 2xs3 guns. I'd have to say most likely in the D-tier, but this is just speculation for me
Seeing you responding to comments on a video from 8 months ago is amazing. Also you answering the questions about "is the list still up to date?" then providing answers about new placements on the tier list is huge, thank you for your continued work.
Thanks a bunch - I really appreciate the kind words :) This is all definitely a labor of love for me. I really enjoy this space game and want to help others bridge the knowledge gap so that they can get maximum fun out of it too :D
They're both about the same I'd say. The STY has a better capacitor and a lot more missiles which helps it put out more dps but the defender is a smaller target and feels a bit more stable when partially damaged. If I had multiple ships I'd probably go for the STY but if I didn't I'd probably go for the defender since it also has an interior and a bed, whereas the STY is just a seat in the cockpit and nothing more.
"The corsair is an exploration vessel. It excels at exploring other player's ships" had me in tears!
haha I love to hear it! Thanks for checking out the video
i agree, best exploration of any game, forget the bounty hunting, EXPLORE
Yeah this had me lol hard :D
And "Exploring" othert ships on video was just magnificent ! :D
@@nizemee729 Who knew that CIG already added exploration gameplay in star citizen!
Tears really?
Yes! So happy you did this one! I just watched your previous one and wished you had a more recent one.
I hope you like it! And yeah a bunch of stuff has changed since the 3.17 one :D
It's enjoyable to watch and learn from the Professional. You don't have to recheck a topic, `cause it's RELIABLE. Thank you for your great efforts to bring us this very solid piece of info, bro!
Thank you so much for the amazingly kind words! I really appreciate it. I'm glad you liked it :)
Ever single one of your videos knocks it out of the park… another awesome video!
Thank you so much, I really appreciate the kind words
It would be great to see this refreshed for the current build.
Thanks for the suggestion! These videos take me a lot of time to make so I definitely want to make one but I want to try to get some smaller / faster videos out in between given the influx of new ships :)
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I was looking forward to a new tier list, thank you for putting i n sooo much effort!
haha thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed my silly humor and the effort that went into it :) Seeing messages like yours helps make all the hours worth it!
Haven't had the time to watch yet but I'm really glad to see another upload, I love your content.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I hope you end up liking it!
Very well done. Would love to see the in-game costs / storage at the end. Seeing the Tana and the C2 near each other but at different costs is something to consider!
Hey thanks for that feedback! I probably wouldn't show storage because that's not really useful in bounty hunting at the current point, but I do think cost is a valuable factor for folks
@@WingZeroType yep, that's fair. The storage is just applicable for folks like me who don't play often but want to melt down and start with a ship that can do a variety of things without growing out of it before the next reset!
I've been away since 1.17 but had been using a 6x ballistic Tana for a little bit of everything. The sleeping bug was one reason I stopped playing, but it otherwise was a perfect all-around ship!
@@WingZeroType price list below, in "csv"
tier, name, price (rent)
S, Retaliator, 4.032M
S, Constellation A, 3.548M (71K)
S, Eclipse, 3.490M
S, Vanguard, 2.012-3.388M (102K)
A, Corsair, 3.402M
A, 600i, 9.475M (245K)
A, C2/M2/A2, 4.926/5.225/5.525M
A, Redeemer, 8.676M
A, Glaive, na
B, Defender, 2.781M
B, Scorpius, 2.880M
B, Hornet, 1.493-2.246M
B, Buccaneer, 1.410M
B, Prowler, 4.248M
B, Reliant Tana, 0.870M
B, Hawk, 1.284M
C, Cutlass Black, 1.385M (28K)
C, Sabre, 2.183-2.354M
C, Gladius,1.170M
C, Freelancer MIS, 2.538M
C, Blade, 3.371M
C, Ion & Inferno, 2.859M
C, Hammerhead, 12.460M
C, Hurricane, 1.218M
C, Scythe, na
C, Mustang Delta, 0.764M
C, 325a, 0.944M
C, Avenger, 0.786-1.156M (16-43K)
C, Arrow, 0.972M (19K)
C, Mustang Alpha, 0.251M (5K)
C, Talon, 1.855M
C, Khartu-al, 2.114M
C, Gladiator, 1.953M
D, Razor, 1.761-1.879M (53K)
D, M50, 1.194M (36K)
D, 125a, 0.791M
D, Talon Shrike, 2.259M
D, Nomad, 0.953M
D, Aurora MR/LN, 0.185M/0.338M (na,8K)
D, 85X, 0.575M
D, Cutter, 0.675M
D, Pisces Exp, 0.406M
@@WingZeroType reordered as a compromise between rank and price:
tier, name, price (rent),tier rank,price rank,tier + price rank
B, Reliant Tana, 0.870M,15,9,24
S, Vanguard, 2.012-3.388M (102K),4,23,27
B, Hornet, 1.493-2.246M,12,19,31
B, Buccaneer, 1.410M,13,18,31
C, Mustang Alpha, 0.251M (5K),30,2,32
C, Mustang Delta, 0.764M,26,6,32
C, Gladius,1.170M,19,13,32
B, Hawk, 1.284M,16,16,32
C, Cutlass Black, 1.385M (28K),17,17,34
C, Avenger, 0.786-1.156M (16-43K),28,7,35
S, Retaliator, 4.032M,1,35,36
S, Constellation A, 3.548M (71K),2,34,36
S, Eclipse, 3.490M,3,33,36
A, Corsair, 3.402M,5,32,37
C, 325a, 0.944M,27,10,37
B, Defender, 2.781M,10,28,38
C, Hurricane, 1.218M,24,15,39
D, Aurora MR/LN, 0.185M/0.338M (na/8K),39,1,40
B, Scorpius, 2.880M,11,30,41
C, Arrow, 0.972M (19K),29,12,41
C, Sabre, 2.183-2.354M,18,25,43
D, 85X, 0.575M,40,4,44
A, C2/M2/A2, 4.926/5.225/5.525M,7,37,44
D, 125a, 0.791M,36,8,44
D, Pisces Exp, 0.406M,42,3,45
A, 600i, 9.475M (245K),6,39,45
D, Cutter, 0.675M,41,5,46
A, Redeemer, 8.676M,8,38,46
C, Freelancer MIS, 2.538M,20,27,47
D, Nomad, 0.953M,38,11,49
D, M50, 1.194M (36K),35,14,49
B, Prowler, 4.248M,14,36,50
C, Ion & Inferno, 2.859M,22,29,51
C, Talon, 1.855M,31,21,52
C, Blade, 3.371M,21,31,52
D, Razor, 1.761-1.879M (53K),34,20,54
C, Gladiator, 1.953M,33,22,55
C, Khartu-al, 2.114M,32,24,56
C, Hammerhead, 12.460M,23,40,63
D, Talon Shrike, 2.259M,37,26,63
A, Glaive, na,9,na,na
C, Scythe, na,25,na,na
@@WingZeroType for those of us who like to have some SCU + 'getting started' costs.
tier, name, price (rent),tier rank,price rank,tier + price rank,SCU,Pledge
B, Reliant Tana, 0.870M,15,9,24,1,na
C, Mustang Alpha, 0.251M (5K),30,2,32,4,$30
C, Cutlass Black, 1.385M (28K),17,17,34,46,$110
C, Avenger, 0.786-1.156M (16-43K),28,7,35,8,$60
S, Constellation A, 3.548M (71K),2,34,36,96,$240
C, 325a, 0.944M,27,10,37,4,$70
A, Corsair, 3.402M,5,32,37,72,na
D, Aurora MR/LN, 0.185M/0.338M (na/8K),39,1,40,3-Mar,$30-40
D, 125a, 0.791M,36,8,44,2,$60
A, C2/M2/A2, 4.926/5.225/5.525M,7,37,44,696/522/234,na
A, 600i, 9.475M (245K),6,39,45,40,na
D, Pisces Exp, 0.406M,42,3,45,4,$45
D, Cutter, 0.675M,41,5,46,4,$45
C, Freelancer MIS, 2.538M,20,27,47,36,
D, Nomad, 0.953M,38,11,49,24,$80
C, Hammerhead, 12.460M,23,40,63,40,an
For me, I like the Mustang Alpha -> Reliant Tana -> Constellation A path from this list, but:
modify it a little bit with less missiles and ride the Reliant Kore from $65 to the Connie A for 3.548M aUEC (6x 10-series Greatsword at 3,025dps for 60 sec, 8x S1 missiles (vs Tana 20x S2) + 6 SCU)
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Thank you so much! That's such an awesome compliment
OMG 😱 finally waiting for sooooooo long but still u delivered ❤
Haha thank you! And yeah... it took a while. 3.18 was a really rough content drought and a horrible patch lol
Great video! I love your PvE videos and tips as that’s where I spend most of my time atm.
And I had some pretty good laughs in the Corsair section; joke kept getting better and better. I’ll have to try mine in a fight again; I love that ship but was turned off using it for combat due to the slow turns. If I can learn to fight in it I’ll live in that ship 24/7 and explore everything!
Haha thank you, and yes give it a shot! Become a fellow member of the bounty explorer's guild! I would give the ballistic loadout a shot, it was so refreshing to not have to worry about infinite front shields of the enemy lol
Before 3.19 I was doing bounties in my titan so this helps a lot. Thank you!
yeah it definitely got a lot harder for the starter ships to do VHRTs, but I'd say a titan is still totally capable up to MRTs. You can do HRTs and VHRTs with it as well but things will slow down for you
I just started back playing on 3.19 from a few years ago and I was getting beyond pissed that I wasn't killing certain targets. I didnt know about the shield bug and was getting frustrated when dying to targets I put crap load of shots on. So I appreciate you letting ppl know about it.
Yeah it's a super frustrating issue that's been around since about 3.17. I'm actually in the process of making a short video about it right now to get the word out, b/c it seems a bunch of people didn't realize what's happening. Thanks for giving me that feedback, and thanks for checking out the video!
You can now press '8' to missile target components, and I found a Warden with a 4x s1 missiles in its right engine doesn't turn well.
@@shawnc5188 I haven't tried subtargetting my missiles other than trying it with torps on a reclaimer to see if i could kill it with fewer s5 torps. I'll give it a shot with missiles, it'd be nice to murder wardens faster :D
Thanks, great well thought out vid. Really good production values too.
Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words and compliments :)
This was REALLY well made
Definitely earned a sub brother
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it :)
This is probably the best tier list I've seen to date. I fully agree with every assessment you made.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you checking it out and letting me know your thoughts. Always great to hear people agreeing :D
@@WingZeroType I've flown most of the ships in your list. And the ones I haven't ive heard the performance of from friends.
Most lists are done without the listmaker ever flying the ship. You can tell from your review you took the time to properly evaluate every ship here. Which makes this better than just about every other list I've seen to date. You didn't artificially push the Gladius or Arrow up higher because they are meta ships. You tested them and evaluated accordingly. Your evaluations are worthy of respect.
@@FrozenKnight21Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words since it takes me A LOT of time to make a video like this as you can imagine. I'm lucky that a couple of people in my community donated me a bunch of aUEC to buy ships in-game after the wipes so that I was able to test combat with almost all of the ships rather than having to individually grind them all out like I used to lol. Thanks again for checking out the video and for the lovely feedback
@@WingZeroType you did an exclent job. The only ship i would have liked to see on the list would be the A2, but you did get tge C2 which is fairly close, i believe the A2 is toigher with slightly more firepower, just not sure if the pilot can access it.
@@FrozenKnight21Yeah the A2 has a tiny bit better resistances and a lotttt more guns but the pilot only has access to the same 2xs5 hardpoints on all variants. So its miniscule but the C2 would be a tiny bit more maneuverable thanks to having less weight from all the extra turrets and guns lol.
to be hit by your own missiles/torpedos (like in the Ares, Shrike) while firing them can be avoided by strafing up while firing! Always strafe up while firing missiles.
Thank you! Yeah this bug was fixed a while ago and I didn't realize it came back :) I wanted to mention it for folks that didn't know about it.
No lie, you are one of the few who recognize the power of the Tana. It has the beefiness of a medium fighter, at the cost of a light fighter. Crazy quick claim speed, interior with a shoilet, weapon rack, and beds. Not to mention the unique second seat for a gunner, (if they ever fix the turret issue right now. The gunner used to have control of all 4 weapons at the same time when in remote view, alas, the Reliant is the red headed step child.) the benefit of this turret seat is the gunner has a 270 degree view and can shoot in all directions, the pilot can quick swap the view of the turret from top to starboard or bottom to port. From that location, the gunner can also fire missiles as well, and can even fire them backwards. Its one of few ships its size that have an almost 360 degree range for engagement AND can fire missiles backwards.
Just a small correction for the Razor variants. You mentioned the weaker hull of the Razor LX, but you also stated all 3 variants only have one shield. The LX actually has 2 size 1 shields, it only comes equipped with one, but if you upgrade the power supply, you can add a second.
edit: Just another note regarding the C2, its flight model is bugged, its not meant to fly so well in Atmo, the devs have reported on that a few times. If you don't believe it, the ship weighs 3 times what the Caterpillar weighs, and the Caterpillar feels and moves slower. This is due to the fully laden tech they implemented about 3 years ago and never reverted. The C2 will get a similar treatment soon.
Yessss Tana love! I have been harping about the reliants to anyone who'll listen for a while now lol. I didn't know that about the turret gameplay, I mostly play solo so i never really get a lot of experience with turrets, thats pretty cool actually. And I thought the Razor LX had it's second shield fixed? I don't own one in 3.19 so i can't tell for sure, but I know it had two shields back in 3.17. I jsut thought it was fixed. Thanks for the correction! And i definitely didn't know that about the C2, thats good to know and I'm actually very happy to hear that, b/c as it currently stands there's no real reason to use a Cat over a C2 (at least until they rebalance them or get modularity in the game).
@@WingZeroType Well, hopefully with the advent of Tractor Beams we may see the Cat have some advantages over the C2 since the C2 doesn't have any tractor beams. If the beams on the Caterpillar can lift 32 SCU containers, the Cat would fit 17.6 of the 32 SCU containers. Whereas the C2, without vehicle beams, will be relegated to the hand held beams (or vehicle beams if the Mule or ROC/ROC DS get a tractor beam, please CIG).
As far as we know, the multi tool is now a size 0 tractor beam, and will be limited to 1 SCU, as for the FPS beam, it could be anywhere from 2 SCU to 4 SCU if I had to guess (if the multi tool is size 0, the FPS tractor should be size 1, which also happens to be the size of the tractor beams on the Cutty, Nomad, and C1 as of what we know now, subject to change.) so the Nomad can load the 4SCU boxes with its 4x3x2 grid.
Thus the C2 would be limited to the multi tool at 1 SCU or the FPS tractor at, lets assume 6 SCU (the average of 4 to 8). at 696 SCU this would require 116 movements. compared to the Caterpillar's 17.6 rounded to 18 movements for a full load. We are talking moments to minutes in comparison for Cargo.
This would be one card in the favor of the Cat, which... isn't much as the C2 has so many more cards in its hand, but hey, its something lol. Sorry for the long explanation. I love your content!
@@WingZeroType Also, may I ask why you compare the Tana and Buccaneer to medium fighters despite CIG marketing them as light fighters? I guess to me the balance is the shields, no s2, not medium IMO.
@@wafflesinsanity I like your reasoning, the only thing I'd change is I'd round the containers down a bunch, since the cargo of the cat is split into a bunch of sections. Since 32 SCU cargo containers won't mold to fit the sections of the caterpillar, you'll probably have a bunch of open sections left in the caterpillar, so you'd probably get something more like 14 32 SCU containers due to the gaps. Also, thanks! I really appreciate you checking out my videos and giving me your thoughts. This is why I do it :D
@@wafflesinsanity For me it's the capacitor levels. Light fighters have a capacitor regen pool worth 4500, medium fighters have 5500, and heavies have 10,000. If you didn't call s1 shields medium fighters, then the hornet and glaive would be light fighters, which doesn't really make sense. And if you require s2 shields for medium, what becomes the distinguisher for heavies? it can't be number of shields, b/c the hurricane has 1 s2 shield and it's a heavy fighter. So I really do think that the capacitor amount is the best way to gauge it, since it directly relates to the firepower of the ship and everything else more or less follows along.
Nice, really appreciate your work on these!
thanks a bunch! I appreciate you checking it out and your kind words
This was very informative! Thank you :D
You're welcome! And Thank you for the kind words :D
great list! Any plans on making a hotas or hosas video?
Thank you! I use HOSAS and I will probably make a short video about my setup at one point. What kind of things would you be interested in seeing in that type of video?
@@WingZeroType I'm a freak for a superior keybind hosas guide 😍
@@LisaSimpsonLiberal hahaha ok I'll see what i can do :)
Fantastic stuff once again!
Thanks a bunch man!
Harbinger gets torpedos and 2xS3 turret guns instead of 2xS2 as the rest. So if you fly with a gunner sometimes its helpful.
yeah that's true, it's a 17% dps increase for the gunner if you have one, but personally I would prefer the more agile vanguards over the harbinger
My Favorite Ships for Bountys in 3.19.1.... Esperia Prowler (2x Size 5 & 2x Size 3 Laser Cannons), Hornet, Andromeda, Ares Ion & Inferno, Esperia Glaive, Esperia Talon & Shrike.
The Shrike??? Do you use it for VHRTs? I'm really curious how you use it because I love missile boats lol. And yeah I'm glad you like the prowler, so many people sleep on it but thats exactly the loadout I use as well!
conni is just redonkalus when you factor in you can keep shields up and use a turret if you set your Cruse control to a low setting, turrets are more viable i found espcially in atmosphere tho not beating a sentinal i would assume with a distrotion scatter gun
Connie is totally rediculous, even the retaliator can just tank incoming damage if you get in a turret if there aren't a lot of enemies left thanks to its massive hull hp. I personally prefer using the missiles and original guns but that's because it usually doesn't take me too long to line up shots, even against hurricanes and wardens
I think the Ion deserves to be higher up the tier list in all honesty.
There is nothing in VHRT bounties that the Ion can't hit with ease, save perhaps the Hurricane which can be admittedly tricky.
But beyond the Hurricane, the Ion makes short work of any of the targets you're faced with. It's decently maneuverable making tracking and evasive maneuvering fairly simple, can tank hits quite well, and doesn't need to restock on ammo saving money and time.
I'd personally put it up in B at a minimum, but probably even A tier in all honesty. I'm generally in and out within a minute or so of arriving at the bounty location.
Hey thanks for sharing your thoughts. I want to love the Ion so badly, I even had it pledged for a while. But I don't personally think it makes its way up there. I'm making this list for the average player who's looking into getting into bounty hunting with various ships and I'm comparing all the ships against each other. The Ion is extremely powerful in its dps and its missile loadout but its got sluggish handling and it's definitely difficult to aim. It requires using a different aiming muscle memory than literally every other ship in the game. If you fly the Ion A LOT then yes, you've probably gotten good at compensating for the lack of aim assist and the offset targetting, but it requires a bunch of effort to make it effective whereas the ships that I've put in the A-tier felt much more effortless and consistent for me.
@@WingZeroType That's fair!
Love this list, but would have loved to see the Mercury Star Runner on here as well, especially considering some of the other non-fighters you included. I expect it would rank low, but it does have speed and agility on its side for its size.
Thanks for the kind words and the feedback. I left it off the list because it'd be low D tier and it's not really a fighter in any case. I wanted to keep all of the starter ships on the list so that newer players know what kind of performance they can expect from their ship (and how big of an upgrade other ships might be for them). And yeah, I kept the racers on there as well since people use them for combat thanks to their incredible maneuverability and small size. Unfortunately the MSR isn't particularly maneuverable or tanky for its size, especially when you consider the types of enemies you'll be going against in a VHRT (tanky enemies with really high turreted dps that can auto-track you). So it'd get lit up really fast. And then add on top of that it has really low pilot-controlled dps, and thats why I've left it out. I might cut out the racing ships for the next update if they're still low performing. It's hard to figure out where to draw the line, and I don't own most of these ships so it takes me a considerable amount of time to grind for them in-game after a patch wipe so I try to focus on the most likely candidates. I still appreciate the feedback though, and a few others have asked about the MSR so maybe I should include it next time (if the funds allow) lol
@@WingZeroType That absolutely makes sense! If we're able to connect without giving out details over the comments section, I'd be more than happy to let you borrow my MSR, even if you don't include it in your results
@@alphamedialabs thanks, I appreciate it! I have a discord if you ever feel like chatting with some cool folks about star citizen stuff. discord.gg/GBBMgujnWT
great vid!
what is this timer on the left of an ui of a hammerhead section of the video?
Thanks a bunch! And the timer is an in-game timer that was added in the game since race tracks were added in the game so that people could time their own races more easily. By default it's not bound to anything but if you go into the advanced controls customization you can bind it to whatever you want. I have mine bound to the zero key -> press it to start/pause the timer and hold zero to reset the timer :)
Do you plan on updating this for future patches? Seems like a good bit of stuff has changed since 3.19 and we're now in 3.21 with 3.21.1 approaching rapidly.
Yes I absolutely plan to. 3.20 changed the most stuff with the new enemy ships but it also brought shield holes to many ships which is actually a big deal. I've been hoping they fix the shield holes so that I could do a list that wasn't completely invalidated by a single bug (since these lists take me FOREVER to make, as you might expect). I was just out of the country for 10 days on holiday but now that I'm back and I'm hearing good things about the latest patch stability i'll start my testing of all the combat ships in the latest patch and hopefully have an update in the next month or two. Basically you want much higher dps now if you're doing single VHRTs, and you don't mind having slightly lower dps if you're doing group VHRTs, since 2 of the 3 targets in group VHRTs will be relatively quick kills. The issue is right now with the shield holes the massive ships with the mega dps are also a bit brittle since their shields don't tank all the damage... hence me hoping for a fix lol
@@WingZeroType I think the Retaliator has this kind of problem
I agree with your list 99% of the time. The Corsair is “A” tier? I personally would put it more like “C” the maneuvering is atrocious and putting guns on any target is next to impossible
the maneuvering is atrocious but it can definitely get its guns on the target. you need to control your initial engagement and make sure you're not closing distance to the enemy too quickly. And using the up-strafe while pitching is really helpful in getting more time on target. I was pleasantly surprised at how well it's been performing for me in 3.19. I just flew it for another hour last night (trying gimballed laser repeaters) and again had some pretty good success.
For my sentinel I change out the missile racks to 481 for a total of 32 Taskforce missiles. Firing 4 at a time they can rip the wings and guns off a Hurricane 70% of the time and every now and then they'll 1 shot Hurricanes and Valks. I don't use the EMP to take down the shields per se. I use the lasers to take down a shield face and then pop EMP as they fly past. If the EMP hits the bare hull it actually disables the shield generator for a few mins leaving them completely vulnerable.. Only works on Valks and smaller though. But its a great way to keep their shields out of the fight.
I haven't really had it work on valks or wardens but I have had the EMP work on hurricanes, they have a competition grade powerplant which makes them susceptible i suppose. I usually open up combat against hurricanes with a bunch of missiles but i've never one-shot them with s1 or s2 missiles I don't think.... maybe I have not sure lol. I've used so many different kinds at this point I have a hard time keeping them straight. I'll be doing a bunch of missile testing soon though but i'm curious, the taskforce missiles are EM right? I've had issues with EM missiles missing if I fire them from farther than 4k away, it just seems like they never track the enemy at all. Have you had that issue? What range and speed do you fire the missiles at?
@@WingZeroType Yes they're EM , I've noticed the same but its not related to the distance but more the 'activity' of the target. Once they start moving then the range I can lock on and have them track is equivalent to their EM signature. This is just something I've noticed , I need to do more testing. I think I have a recording of a Hurricane and/or Valkyrie getting one shot by 4 taskforce somewhere. I found them more effective than Rattlers. Re the EMP the trick is to use your guns to get down a shield face first so the EMP strikes baremetal. Then that kills the shield generator
so your saying 4 shot not one shot?
@@yobizzyb hehe well I do fire all 4 in 1 volley :P but still I'm surprised 4 tiny S1 missiles that look like lawn darts attached to the bottom of my Vanguard can kill a Valkyrie. I've shot multiple S2 and S3 missiles and not gotten the same effect. Got another one lastnight . Saved the recording.
@@cyvan1750 I've definitely seen the same thing with targets with EM missiles, but same as you I haven't tried to test it methodically yet. And I've taken down the shield face before launching the emp, maybe its inconsistent. Do you know if you have to aim at the target when the EMP is firing? I'm assuming not since it's a literal sphere of distortion damage, but I just want to make sure that's not what I'm missing lol
Awesome content!
Thanks a bunch for checking it out!
Corsair is S Tier for me if u consider the cargo space and ease of access for looting the bountys. one carrack full of maze and u get like 3 mio aUEC
Yep I definitely agree in the current patch. When this tier list was made I don't think ERT bounties were worth looting yet, so this list is based solely on mission completion efficiency.
I use an eclipse. I use typhoons and fire at 9k and hit 90%+ running group ERTs. Smaller ships I sometimes have to get within 6 km but that's fine and those hit too. Never much danger in the eclipse. I do like the tali a lot and wish I had one of those as well but the eclipse is a great bounty ship for group ERTs.
That's great to hear! Do you never have issues with the IR typhoons not locking at that range? I had a lot of issues with the lock being a red circle and not turning green until I got closer. Do you fire at a specific speed or does it basically not matter at that range?
@@WingZeroType curious too, i don't understand the way missiles works + they always miss even in green. i usually fire at last moment under 2k. cuz i feel like too soon is garuanteed decoy fail
@@Khinouille I hit my cross section regular missiles from 4k almost all the time, but torps are a different beast. For s9 torpedos, i usually try to fire as close as possible, so usually around 3.2k for seekers to give the server a second to catch up and keep the missile lock (and not get under the minimum range)
@@WingZeroType okay ! i'll try that out thank you
What a FANTASTIC video
Thank you so much! I really love to hear that you liked it :)
On the subject of using Seeker 9s for the Eclipse/Retaliator, those Seeker 9 Torbs have been consistently unreliable in the sense that even if you are fully locked in in the green circle, they still dummy fire and not track MOST of the time.
I swapped over to the Typhoon 9s and they’ve ALWAYS seeked out the target and kills the hammerheads 100% of the time. They are the 2nd fastest size 9 but the speed difference is almost identical to the Seekers 9s.
Just do yourself a favor and use Typhoon 9s. I’ve even shot them at a distance so even if they hammerheads start shooting at them, they are too fast for the HH’s to even react. No need to do drivebys
interesting, you're the third person to mention them. I haven't had the issues you've mentioned with Seeker 9s but I'm definitely going to give the Typhoons a shot. And I think Typhoons are actually the fastest torpedo, with seekers shortly behind. Do you not have issues with the IR locking with red circles? I've seen that with a bunch of IR missiles.
@@WingZeroType I’ve always had issues with the 3 SIZE 9s when it comes to the lock on being red at every distance. I’ve shot my size 9 at over 10Km away and as little as 2-3km away. But it seems to lock on green around 6km on average.
Great video! Good work!
Thanks a lot for checking it out :)
saw this yesterday, wanted to respond to a few comments but bed log was needed. in the previous comment i replied why i think the tarus is current S+ tier, and will continue to do so even with the additon of blades in future because of tractor beam with VHRT fast looting. being closer to 790credit per hr not 490credit per hr as a solo ship. especially being the best ship in the game.
but the part i wanted to add was this. the ion and inferno are drawn as same size ships but the ion is actually large medium, where the inferno is small large. and tho the armor reductions and not in game yet, that will be more signifigent between the pair later on. but as is for current with mass haul hp. and servers doing odd haul reporting at times. first time since over a year and half of ownerships the inferno has had engines break off the ship. NOT COOL... the ares are practically unflyable without 1 of their engines. so not only ontop of the mass adjustments for hull hps, but the ships are currently breaking more than should, the weapons have been reduced in rages significantly, the ion and gatling rof have been reduced and offset, and the weapon sizes were changed from S9 to S7's which also dramatically effects ranges. the inferno use to engage at 1200-2400m with a max range of 4800m and able to hit large+cap ships at 3200m with its unique gatling spread. now as current, the alpha damage is less, and those ranges were reduced too 2250m, so being a gatling it has an effective spead range at 750-1350m. so it went from 2250m avg for x< large ships too 950m ranges.
so the ares ion and inferno have less hp, their armor isnt being calculated currently, and their alpha damage has been reduced, and their ranges went from 2250m avg to 950m avg. and their breaking now. so with all things considered the aries heavy fighters have fallen not from A+ to C+ but A+ to D- as current state of the game. just wanted to put that out there.
Well I'm not grading the ships on what they are vs what they used to be, i'm grading them on relative performance vs what all the other ships are currently capable of in the game. Also I never knew they had 4800m range, but honestly against most VHRT targets you won't hit your shots at 2.8k, much less at 4.8k. I think the missiles is what takes the ships up to the c tier, without them I agree they'd be D tier because the offset of the guns makes them so hard to aim, and the ships are so much more sluggish than they used to be.
@@WingZeroType reason i ranked them lower is because their breaking apart a lot more, ship stability and reliability is Ctier and above... if the ship falls apart easily (like a cutlas) that is immediate D tier! and that is exactly now the aries ships are reacting currently (when suppose to be heaviest armored fighter with A10warthog style gun on the inferno aka the tank killer).
the offset aim as a fixed isnt so bad once you get use to it, but the weapon down grades, and the last year all gun range nerfs alone hurt the aries from the last VHRT rating hard.
and being a large ship with no additional ammo for the infero... the S7 gatling doesnt have sustained fighting doing VHRT or idirus strafes back to back to back as it did as a S9 with previous years ranges. and reason for nerfs was because the ions over popularity as a large medium vs the infernos small large. so dont get me wrong, i think the changes for the ion is spot on. and if where if going to run a lot of S2 missiles might as well run a constellation anyway. so there has been so much things upsetting about the inferno threw the past year, is why i crunched mine. and making her slow and vulnerable like a cutlas was my breaking point. as i prefer not to own a D tier or lower ship! despite loving the look, idea, and design of the inferno too. so sad days for inferno owners. and more power to them to hold and wait for armors and blades for shield bonuses and weapon overcharging ect. but for myself, these last few updates with her breaking was the last straw with no remedial fixes, and i waited 3 patches too. and no bueno, no go! Crunch!
Ive seriously missed the inferno. Im thinking ill pick it back up.
It's still a bit of a handful for sure but it definitely is a bit more justified for VHRTs now than it was before lol
Oh my, that thing on the Talon... that... probuscus or whatever it is supposed to be, that controls the ship, is so disturbing, I couldnt fly it :D
I'm just going to tell myself it's a joystick. The word Probuscus is going to give me nightmares lol
@@WingZeroType It looks like its doing... things... to the pilot :D
@@psychepeteschannel5500 honestly, who's to say it's not. The stick... the screens... the voice... that weird chair.... there's something goin on for sure
I am a bit confused, you refer to VHRT as one of the best ways to make money, but why not ERT? personally I make a lot more money doing ERTs, is there some kind of barrier that prevents it being available to all players?
ERTs will make more than VHRTs, that is true. The issue is that you have significantly less variety in ships that can efficiently do ERTs to beat the level of income you'd generate with VHRTs. VHRTs are much more widely applicable to most folks then since the ships that are best at ERTs are the torpedo bombers and the 600i. Corsair and Connie can do it too but if the server is a fast one you can take some real damage in the process, therefore slowing you down by forcing you to repair.
That explains a lot, thanks!
just bought a gladius, having a blast flying it, but with the 2mil I had, I'm kind of regretting not getting a vanguard
I completely agree. The lighter ships are so fun to fly, i really wish they gave them a profitable gameplay loop now that they've nerfed them so hard in VHRTs.
Don't regret it! Save for the vanguard and have both like I do, you can kill AI with vanguard fast but you will have such a blast flying the gladius because of how maneuverable is that it makes dogfighting way more fun to do!
@@Microwavesays yea, I've been enjoying flying it, but I've still been making money with 60k merc missions, and I'm going to get a vanguard soon, shouldn't take too long anyways
@@twist_media_youtube yeah that’s also the way I did it to earn the money for the vanguard, was just in a loop of 3 merc missions, the defending site which was 15k, the 60k and a 75k which is the same 3 waves but with 8 enemies on the last wave
Great video, I agree with everything but in comparison between Sentinel and Basic variant Warden, sentinel have EMP but also half of Total HP for hull then Warden.
Thank you! I need to test this out. I know that SPviewer says that the sentinel has half the total HP, but erkul says that they're the same. So I will have to get both ships and shoot at them while they're stationary to confirm :)
@@WingZeroType I check yesterday at Erkul and it's different, mby they fixed it.
@@luka5games308 well spviewer was still showing differences, but I'm going to test now anyway just to be sure. Fortunately they aren't planning on wiping in 3.20 so it shouldn't take too long to earn the money to buy both :D
Redemmer + multycrew = S tier
yep, totally agreed!
those torpedoes are effing impressive.
and fun!
You do get a scythe with the high tier subscription, i use it all the time for hrt's
Thank you for confirming that! Did you have to subscribe for a certain amount of time before it became available or as soon as you get the higher tier sub you get access to it?
@@WingZeroType I've had the lower tier for like 2 months in the past but I got it first month on the high tier. It was available right away, but yea only available with the high tier subscription.
@@callofthedead247 awesome thanks for following up
I am just examining the game to decide what To buy. NOW, I am totally confused
Haha if you have any specific questions let me know! Also this will probably change around a bit for 3.20 based on the bounty hunting changes that are showing up in the ptu
It would help to include the name of the ships with the images
Thanks for the suggestion, that's a good point. I don't think both would fit on there too easily, but I should've typed out a text list in the description or at least had a separate image with just the names instead of the images. I'll try to remember that for the next one
but does the hornet specialty s5 gimbal puck actually gimbal or is it stationary?
I *think* it gimbals but honestly I haven't used it in a long time so I might be remembering wrong.
@@WingZeroType Can confirm is a gimball, it's just hard to percieve it, but when i used fixed weapons and accidentally switched to target mode, I could move my AD4B around
@@oz3621Awesome thanks for double-checking that and for letting us know!
On the Corsair how did you split the guns to only fire the AD5Bs together?
So you can change the different screens that you have access to in the cockpit by pressing the button on the top left. Go into the Weapons MFD and then on the 2nd tab of that MFD you can assign each weapon to either group 0 or group 1. Group 0 is left click, group 1 is right click.
Hey guys, does the hornet forward acceleration bug fixed in 3.21 ?
Nope I don't think so, it still accelerates over 20G with boost
@WingZeroType thanks for the confirmation. But I found a reddit post that this issue has been taken to cig, and they mentioned as this about to stay . They don't intent to revert back
@@paranikumarlpk interesting, that's higher acceleration than the interceptors, which doesn't make sense. Personally, I'm taking that reddit post with a giant grain of salt until I see or hear it directly from the devs.
So you find the redeemer pretty workable solo?
Yeah I actually like it solo now, it's pretty safe and i found it very effective with repeaters
@@WingZeroType that's great! I like its look and dedicated gunship vibe, but only play solo and so so many others just write it off as useless without crew.
Can confirm top tier subscribers get a Scythe in their hanger.
Awesome ty so much!
Where is the F8?
Hey sorry I ended up cancelling my plans for the updated 3.22 tierlist when I learned that 3.23 is going to have master modes and will change everything. For the rest of 3.22, this list is mostly accurate - the main things I'd change are moving the prowler and the Ares ships higher (Ares is S-tier, prowler is probably A-tier with ballistics), and adding the new ships to the list. San Tok Yai is probably A-tier, spirit series is C-tier, and F8C is S-tier.
the C2 is great at soloing VHRT
Yep I definitely agree!
Was hoping the Mercury Starrunner would be in the list.
Yeah unfortunately it's not a good bounty hunting ship because it's too large and doesn't have enough dps or survivability to tackle VHRTs efficiently. I kept a bunch of other weak ships in here because they were starter ships or combat ships or they used to be viable bounty hunters but if the MSR was here it'd be near the bottom of the D tier.
@@WingZeroType Kinda big oof, but unsurprising. Thanks for the heads up!
No Mercury?
Nope, it's too large and weak to handle group VHRTs effectively. It'd be bottom of D tier thanks to its mediocre maneuverability, large size, mediocre shielding for its size, and low dps.
The razor lx has two shields not one
thank you for the correction! I thought that was fixed but i was wrong
What would your thoughts be on the MSR when flying solo?
most likely F tier... it's too big and slow and doesn't have enough shields to fight in the current VHRTs, and it's also got really low dps. Could you do it? probably, but there's plenty of tools that would be better for the job
the Hawk in a VHRT???? it's EMP is for crap over anything bigger than itself and the DPS is very questionable for a VHRT. i would have actually put the Talon in place of the hawk using 2 AD4B with 1150 shots each and just foil the wings, you close your hit box and lose no agility.
yeah i agree about folding the talon wings in to make your life easier, but I disagree about the AD4Bs being a good loadout for the Talon for VHRTs, you're going to have to repair every 1-2 bounties that way, whereas the hawk can definitely handle itself with a competent pilot. If you're finding success with the Talon, I would be surprised if you coudln't find more success with the Hawk, while adjusting your playstyle for the less agile ship (but with significantly more dps).
What weapons would u recommend for the c2 for bounty hunting?
I personally prefer size 5 laser cannons, but some people swear by the AD5B ballistic gatlings. They're not a bad option, IMO but I like the infinite ammo of the laser cannons. I don't prefer gimbals b/c the C2 is an agile enough ship (despite its massive size) to be able to land those shots.
@@WingZeroTypeyup also agreed I prefer the omnis.
I did want to ask about the vangaurd I found the capacitor struggles with all laser canons (omni5 + 4x laser canons) is the only solution to run the deadlock as the size 5 Canon? Not a big fan of ballistics so was wondering if there's other viable builds for quickly doing ERTs
@@mas0ny149Some people like using an AD5B on the S5 to give more shots to the MVSAs, but I personally prefer keeping it to all fixed laser cannons. Yes, the capacitor needs to recharge more often and it feels like you're doing less dps but the actual dps you do overtime is higher since the s5 laser cannons do obscene dps while firing.
@@WingZeroType ah gotcha I Alps like all laser canons so I'll stick with that. Thanks for your reeponses :) really helpful love ur channel as well. Any chance we get a ERT tier list haha?
@@mas0ny149haha maybe.. it's going to be tricky though since the ERT tier list would have to include looting, since that's the most profitable way to do ERTs right now I think ;)
The Aurora LN actually has 2xS2, 2xS1 and not just 4xS1...
Are you sure? I can't get in the game right now to double-check but everyone I'm checking online says 4xs1
Man all I like to do is dogfight these bounties, I have the Arrow, Gladius, and Hornet Ghost. As of 3.19 all the escorts just ram me repeatedly, and take all the fun out of the game for me :/
Yeah I'm with you, losing light and medium fighters as really viable options in this patch has been painful. The AI has always been ram-happy, it's just that now that the AI is functioning better we're seeing more of it lol
Great video I really enjoyed it. I have a Cutty Black as my starter ship. I was working on doing bounty's in it and it was not as good as it use to be for sure. Early on in the testing for 3.19 I was enjoying doing bounty salvage but then they nurfed what you could sale the guns and such for. Now I am debating on getting the vanguard or the Andromeda. I have had a Vanguard in the past and loved it. I am guessing the Andromeda requires less skill to do well than a Vanguard. The Vanguard though looks like it would be more fun.
Thanks a bunch! And yeah I agree, the cutty/freelancer both took a hit this patch since they're not quite tanky enough to account for their size/speed in an outnumbered combat situation. And about vanguard vs connie, I think they both require different kinds of skill. The Andromeda is tankier and has higher dps but it's harder to get your guns on target, so aiming at something like a hurricane requires more ability to control the inertia of the ship and really timing your shots. The Vanguard is much more agile than the connie but it's much squishier, and in an outnumbered bounty situation you're definitely on the clock and need to land your dps quickly otherwise your shields will go down and you'll have to disengage and try again. So it sort of depends what type of gameplay you enjoy more. The vanguard does benefit from being about half the cost though (after fittings are considered)
The main difference is the versatilitie. With a Vanguard you can do Bounty and FPS Missions. And delivery.
With the Andromeda you can haul Cargo. ROC Mining. Transport an Ursa to help in some FPS Missions. Loot targets if they have cargo or weapons you want to have.
But Andromeda is very sluggish. So just rent one and test it.
Regarding the glaive, green flashes when shot is a shader cache issue, you have to delete your shaders to fix it. same as before
Oh interesting, thanks I'll give that a shot!
@@WingZeroType No problem! if i remember correctly, theyre located under user/appdata/local/starcitizen
@@shrillyvr3270 cheers! thank you!
I think we got a connie fanboy here 🤣
I do love the connie, but I'm being as unbiased as I can be! I also love the gladius.... but we see whats happened to that :(
dammit i hate the andromoda xD cant i attack with my reclaimer lol
lol i mean... you can. You just need to run from the pilot seat to the turret lol
I love my Connie, however I’ve had my turrets blown off almost every time I’ve multi-crewed it….would the redeemer be a better multi-crew ship?
Unfortunately the redeemer turrets also have issues with getting damaged and stopping functionality. That said, the Redeemer is generally better multicrewed as long as you're against heavy fighters thanks to the two turrets that have 2xs5 each, plus the ship has twice the shields of a constellation (although the turrets breaking is usually due to ballistic/missile damage that passes through shields). How many people are you multicrewing with?
@@WingZeroType Thank you for the response! I know the video was focused on solo-only bounty hunting. If you wouldn’t mind answering, what options would you say are S-tier for 2 people?
@@TheBigSadNut You're totally welcome! I'd probably say the hurricane and the Redeemer, thanks to the immense dps of both of them and the capability to be tanky in different ways. Probably the A2/M2/C2 as well, in that order (since the A2 gets s5 hardpoints on the turrets). I love constellations too but I think the turret on the connie is probably not quite strong enough, even though the rest of the connie's outfit is pretty dang good, so maybe it gets honorable mention. The scorpius has higher dps than the hurricane actually, but it has worse acceleration and it's less tanky thanks to it's much larger cross section, so that'd be one that I think needs some actual seat time to judge whether or not the dps of 8xs3 weapons is good enough to kill the enemy before you get taken out :D
Origin X85 - the worst joke of a ship in Star Citizen. Initially, it had at least a luxury interior and cool styling!
Now its like a dated Renault R5 Base model with the trunk missing...
This is supposed to be Origin made? *Preposterous shit* . . .
haha I don't mind it for a small little runabout. I think we need a few more "car"-like ships that are just about getting you from point A to point B. But I agree a bit more of the origin brand shining through would be nice
That's probably the most carebear tier list I've ever seen in my life.
well its a tier list for npc bounty hunting, so mission accomplished! Thanks for checking it out!
Every tier list with time stamps gets an instant like
Thank you so much! I hope you ended up finding it valuable, or at least enjoyable :)
Been waiting for this. I usually don't let tier lists influence decisions, but your last one had me trying ships I really didn't expect to care about. Was hoping you'd make another one!
That's great to hear! I'm curious about whether you agreed with me after you tried ships you didn't typically try (at least in that patch... since things changed drastically in 3.18 and again in 3.19. But curious what you think about my rankings this time around too
@@WingZeroType Biggest thing is the Banu Defender. I almost skipped alien week altogether, but bought one in game, and 2 days later pledged it. I'm not sure what CIG wants it to be. Medium fighter stats that flies like a light fighter. A little rough on some bounties like Reclaimers, but I agree solid B, if not A tier for me. This list more accurately says what I've been thinking. With the changes to the reclaimer and moles being added, you need more firepower. Most of the light fighters were struggling to keep up vs busting out the connie.
@@KaizikuM yeah totally agree, and that weird positioning of the Defender is something that seems to be unique to alien ships. The Glaive is also kind of the same, between a medium and a heavy. I honestly kind of like it. Blur the lines a bit and give a ship a unique combination of strenghts/weaknesses
For everyone looking at the Tier List and thinking about getting a Conny:
The Constellation Andromeda (Laser Repeaters) and the Phoenix (Laser Cannons) are both available for rent at New Babbage (Microtech).
Update, as WingZero said: Due to the default loadout being fully gimballed, you can expect even more dmg when you buy it and change two S5 gimballs to Cannons, aswell as some more shield strength with a Grade A Shield.
This is a really good FYI for folks to see how the connie flies, but folks should just note that the default loadout of the ships are fully gimballed, which means you don't get to take advantage of the massive dps increase of the S5 cannons. I'd probably have put a fully gimballed loadout somewhere in the lower A-tier, but honestly I didn't even try it because dps is king IMO
True, i just wish we could remove the upper two gimbals (i guess everyone does, huh). Having a half-gimballed loadout is just stupid.
@@Hurric4ne_ the ship in design is a 4 size 5 hardpoint ship, the reason we have this weird setup, is because an old design flaw that they put lower two guns at the bottom of lower engines rather than top, so size 5 weapon will cause the ship landing in crash. Connie's been out there for years, and CIG just ever borther to fix it, so this weird setup of weapons stays with Connie like a curse.
@@WingZeroType you mean quad size 4. all conny varrients have 2 fixed gimbles, and dong 2s4 gimble and 2s5 fixed breaks tracking and projectial flight times. so its 4s4 gimbled. which is great for combat considering she is slower than most combat ships.
theres been a lot of distaste for the conny lower turret mounts, that visibility is minimal from the seated positions with legs and chair consuming 50% of the aimed field of fiew. where the aqulia variant only has a lower gunner because the top is a long range scanner, which is nice for explorations, but not nice for combats. also the ship isnt so heavy in mass she cant fly in inverted orbital positions. alot of people like the new dome design of the aqulia variant saying its their favorite. i disagree. the rebars of the domb is 2 times larger than the other variants and actually takes up more field of vew. granted, the twin bars on the other ships being so close together makes is difficult at times when maneuvering rapidly threw astroid fields for some bounties or other missions ect. but the actual view of larger lower pannels helps you track ground landing positions, as well as the small top bar helps you see where the top turret line is on that variant of ship.
something else about the constellation is this. the top beds dont work, so can only crew 2 for log outs, also below the bottom bed has vise leaf clipping, and the space is drawn inside the ship. this is bad for 2 reasons. 1 its open portal hole in the ship that creates lower fps while within the ship, so when server fps drops you can really notice when the servers are starting to dumb and 30k. some people like this as a precurser to stop what you are doing and bed log before you loose your shipment, or items ect. others dislike it because it is a combat disadvantage. and this is for all constellation variants.
something else, every variant tho not specified has a p52 or p72 merlin snub fighter attached to it, where only the andromida has the newer p72 combat fighter. and can only swap components from the ship manifest with the andromida. the bad point about this. it creates a rear hole in the ships shield zone. so if an arrow or something tinny manages to get right behind you, they are doing haul damage even with lazer repeaters. not cool. also, if you turn on the sub fighter its tinny hull and shields become targetable, and aiming at it can sometimes bug and cause rounds to fly threw the constellations killing components and players ect. ntm if the merlin's die, then explode and do damage and kill your constellations. for this reasons, i find tho not the best thruster setup or weapons loadout at base. you can upgrade the tarus, where the longer bed is nice for storing a rover + found tiems or boxes and hauling items. i do not recommend storing 2 rovers, or a rover and roc, or a rover and fury, or 2 furys in the tarus. tho they fit, the ship becomes very slow like a turtle. the added bonus is the tarus cargo drop bed isnt just longer but slightly wider, making it easier to load, park, exit and use the bed floor buttons to get around in the dropped cargo bed.
so from my own personal experience, the tarus tho the cheapest of the constellation variants, she is the best... that is once you upgrade her. and the power 2s2 tractor beams will also make quick work of looting ships. making it that much more valuable when doing bounties, because you can drop the bed, get in the tractor, and loot the ships as fast as you kill them. then be on your way after. making bounty payments 2times better. so the tarus payout isnt 450k per hr, but closer to 790k per hr. making it S+ tier
also tho the constellation ships are a large ship, they have a medium computer. tiny 0, small 1, medium 2 blade slot attachments later on. so... you could blade improve shield regen rates on the computer, and blade 1 gun. then all slots are filled. this is a better future concept as well, because the andromeda, has 2 turret guns, it has a coms copiolet chair and missles/scanning chair. but no drive or shield terminals, this means you cant assign an ai to manage these components. but if you wanted to assign an ai to a gun you could, but if getting 1 ai for a turret you might as well have 2 ai for turrrets. then do 1 blade as shield regen, and 1 blade as power, because more guns and more shields means more capasitor usage. so operations of a fully manned andromeda with blades and ai cost far more than the tarus. meanwhile the tarus can loot the kills faster and still use 2 blades in future for 1 man crew with piolet and that is future, when blades come out.
so tarus is best now, with least bugs, best profit ratios, loading and looting speeds, 30k warnings, and great after a few upgrades.
meanwhile, the andromeda fully crewed needs ai+blades being a far more operational expense, and requires manual loot times which negates the bonus damage shares of + 1 turret 2s2 guns. it actually earns far less credit per hr, because of fast looting with the tractorbeam on the tarus.
so not just now, but future as well, the tarus is the only S+ tier VHRT credit/hr
This video needed to be made and you are the guy to make it. Been waiting months for your take on the new VHRT’s. I agree with everything you said and learned a lot I didn’t know about hull hp adjustments. Thank you sir
Thank you for the amazingly kind words! yeah 3.18 was rough with the content drought, bugs, and issues with fits not being saved on claim, and then once 3.19 and 3.19.1 landed I lost a bunch of in-game-bought stuff each time, so it took a while to earn the money to get the ships to get enough experience to make a (hopefully) knowledgeable video. I'm glad you liked and found it useful, thanks for checking it out!
The idea that they didnt address the shield bug ..... STILL ..... is crazy.
it's killing me. Once they actually fix it bounties are going to feel so easy lol
But whenever a glitch that can possibly get money for the players or even provide a little bit of fun will get patched instantly
@Stormyy6310 Funny how that works huh. You'd think it wouldn't matter since "it's An aLpHa"
I've been able to get around it by sub-targeting
@@aguy446 Yes lol it's crazy and then it all changes when CIG starts wiping they say "it's because it's an alpha what did you expect"
No more Arrow boosting, dodging, and rolling around a VHRT to victory, it was so fun. I guess this was inevitable.
Very happy to see you back Wing. I hope you continue doing more videos for 3.19.
Yeah I'm bummed to lose my gladius and arrow hilarious times as well. I'm sad that they really reduced ship flexibility with the introduction of the reclaimers, but what canya do. And yeah it's great to be back! 3.18 was a pretty rough content drought and really buggy and I lost a bunch of ships in 3.19 and 3.19.1 so it's taken me a while to get enough stuff together to get another video out, but hopefully i'll be able to get some more out a bit more regularly unless CIG deletes their servers again
Arrow was my first ship and I loved it a shit ton.
But atleast other ships in the medium-class are getting raised, some of their designs I absolutely adore.
Good to see the tier list come back! Great explanations! And good to know bounty hunting is still a viable money making option~
It absolutely is! It's harder for sure, so the average player is going to make less money than they used to, but I still think it pays better than many other (non-exploity) careers lol
20:15 "Every day is a shit day when you own a Cutlass Black!"
Wait that came out wrong.
Also I see nothing wrong with that interior whatsoever. Everything is fine.
#ProudCuttyblackcargopira.... I mean #ProudCuttyblackcargohauler!
It's not a ship, it's a *way of life*
That's a true fact if ever I've heard one. @@WingZeroType
The Corsair is such a great ship at applying exploration to other ships!
It's also the only exploration ship with a fully functional gameplay loop!
Exploring the limit of people's hulls with high velocity lead is fun.
Been using the Corsair recently with full cannon gimbal loadout and it’s so fun to use doing service beacons without having to reload.
@@CaptTsubasa09 I currently use it with a full repeater (gimbal) loadout, since the capacitor is so damn huge.
@@JonBergacs Yeah the only sad thing is now I have to change my career from bounty hunter to bounty explorer
"we've been through the ringer the last 3 patches..." you mean the last 10 years right? lmao
there was a lot of decent stability before PES came about lol
Can you include the Tier list number/position in the Google Spreadsheet? or at least have a tab with the tier list in it?
that.... is actually a brilliant idea. Thank you, I'll add that to the todo list
where would the new syulen sit?
Prettttyyy low, it's only got 3 size 3 weapon hardpoints which doesn't give it much dps at all. And it's a giant target, so it'd be on the list because it's a "starter" but it'd be near the back of D-tier for VHRTs. But it'd be decent up to MRTs and can even do HRTs and VHRTs with some difficulty.
As a solo PVE player, I've been saving up significantly to try and buy something past the Gladius. Thank you for this!
I totally feel you! That's actually why I started doing this so long ago :) I hope it helps! Happy to answer any questions you might have
For a solo ship I'd recommend the corsair.. imo it's got a better layout internally than the connie and the firepower is great.. and it's got a ramp which imo is better for exporing cargo than the connie.. It's main drawback imo is the hp atm is 25% less than what the connie has..
@@Derguz I may get the sentinel first as it's the least expensive in game and I'll be able to make more VHRT money to afford the others. The Corsair is s very good looking ship, the only thing that worries me is the tankiness difference between it and the Connie. I have used the rental Connie at times to try and farm HRTs too.
@@WingZeroType thanks for sharing the hard work with us!
@@CrymsAI DPS: Corsair > Connie. HP: Connie < Corsair. I don't use HOSAS so I prefer gimballed repeaters - Using the Corsair, you prioritize ballistic fighters, like the Buccaneer and Avenger Stalker, then everything else in VHRT is shield management.
Andromeda is like S+ Tier for me. Oh and when they say its a freighter. Their talking about all the bodies you are stacking up since its a GUN ship mainly :) Thanks for video!
haha thank you! I guess I'll have to make a body-stacking tierlist ;)
Where would you put the F8C in this list if you had the chance to put it anywhere?
probably high A tier, if not in the S tier. It's a really solid ship for a solo pilot.
I would put the Corsair into the S tier.
Yeah I think its a fair claim. I left it out of the S tier because even though it has amazing dps and good loadout flexibility, it's still quite large and eats shots really fast, it can't disengage when things go south, and if you get hit by the errant missile you can still get a really bad torque imbalance.
Headlight tier list please!
Pico's gonna need some sunglasses... lol
@@WingZeroType Definitely going to want to tint that visor for the Pisces test.
I've been using my Redeemer to chain group VHRTs of late and I am finding it more efficient than the Vanguard. I use it with 4x S3 repeaters as I find the gimbals / remote turret give you a little more arc to hit the more nimble targets. The 2x S3 shields let you take most of the damage of 3-4 AI ships on the chin without issue.
Yeah I can definitely see that. I personally still like the vanguard more because it's faster and has the size 5 big gun for more dps but the redeemer is definitely solid as well. It's a lot less stressful thanks to the repeaters and tankiness and even has a solid missile loadout as well so I can definitely see that
I was wondering if there will be another tier list anytime soon :D
Well, here are my two cents: While i'm a bit sad that the Corsair is not S-Tier, i can see your reasons. Still think it's the better ship for solo compared to the Conny though :D But that may be because i've now CCUed my (only!) ship to it, since i feel it's the best all-around and finished ship we have right now (e.g. a "return" button to return the elevator back up instead of needing to press a button on the elevator and jumping off).
Not a big fan of the fixed ballistic loadout though. While i tried full ADBs compared to your cannons, i felt the aiming required and the slow turning/evading of the ship is too much to do both. Having a fully gimballed setup (especially as default) removes the need of aiming and gives me more time to react/evade. The only time i'd definitely go back to full ADBs would be HH/Idris as my main/only enemy.
Yeah I also had a CCU'd Corsair for a while since I wanted to test it out for bounty hunting purposes, but I've been really bummed about its performance in 3.19 with laser weapons. I feel like the ship is way too slow to get around the enemies and Hurricanes and Wardens basically never let you see their backside, so you're just always shooting at their infinite front shield. That's what made me try the ballistic loadout, even though I think ballistics are nerfed in 3.18+ compared to before, and it actually performed pretty well. Unfortunately, it's still slow as molasses getting in and out of combat so it loses time there lol
@@WingZeroType Pretty much this. I'm trying it now because I want to love the Corsair but these missiles don't care about my decoys and then the ship has torque imbalance. It's nuts. Also if you have someone get in your remote turret, the pilot can no longer adjust power to shields, weapons or engines. The gunner has to do it. Crazy. If you get a 30k recovery then it spawns the ship in the hangar with wings deployed as well and that makes it super difficult. With how janky the AI fly right now, it's tough sometimes in this ship.
Yeah the copilot “takeover" is just stupid imo, my friend always has to use one of the manned side turrets 😅. I always increase the decoy amount to 4 at once, wich helps unless the server is really bad. Haven't seen an unfolded Corsair in the hangar though, even after two 30Ks, interesting.
@@WingZeroType I stick to a full gimballed repeater loadout as I don't use HOSAS, and yeah, the s2 ships are a bit of a pain, but you can maneuver behind them, or use missiles and target an engine first.
@@tomfoolery1967 CIG have added HP to the Corsair's thrusters, so there's less chance a single S1 missile will send one into wild swings in this patch. With incoming missiles, you now have to spam 5+ decoys.
Corsair wings after 30k is a common issue (IC STARC-58690).
I must say this is a very detailed list. Now, it still bugs me rhat people think that "top speed" is so important and think that fighting above SCM speed is a good idea. Do people know what SCM speed actually means? Like "Safe Combat Maneuvering speed"?
Except a few really good pilots, we have a whole bunch of people thinking they are good at ship combat, ignoring that the NPCs are very slow due to server performance and that speeds above SCM make it worse. I'll ignore PvP for the most part, because beside of the mentioned good pilots, PvP boils down to people thinking they are good when they actively chose to only attack weaker targets and take out non-combat ships with combat ships.
So far the new flight modes changes look promising and hopefully put an end to the jousting nonsense.
One more thing to add: i think that bounties will change a lot in the not so distant future. First due to being able to catch bounties alive and deliver them, second to flight modes and physical damage.
Don't forget: the current game is incomplete with a lot of things missing. I highly doubt that VHRTs and ERTs (especially the group ones) are ment for solo pilots in small ships.
So your tier list will change a couple of times more the closer the mechanics get to being final.
Yeah its true, its very hard to come across equivalently skilled pilots naturally in the verse since it's such a large place with less than 100 people in it at any given time. I'm excited about master modes and hoping they bring some good changes to the game. I totally agree that everything is going to change many times in the future, but given that we have no real way of knowing when that'll happen i'll keep updating the list anytime major changes come on through so that people who aren't as familiar with the game systems or people who just want another opinion have a place to come to for a (hopefully) informed look at ship performance.
What's your favorite system that you're looking forward to? For me, it's gotta be physicalized damage/armor. That will change the current meta completely where more guns isn't always more damage, and matching your weapon calibre to the enemy's armor level might play more of a factor.
@@WingZeroType its gotta be physicalised damage/armor with engineering gameplay. But i am also interested in the new Bounty mechanic and master modes.
If you go on spectrum you get a ton of different opinions. I have seen people finding VHRTs hard and other that say that the NPCs are brain dead. Well, then you know they have never ever played on a crisp, responsive server. Both in ships and on food they can be pretty dangerous. Deadly even.
I remember one time where i had to disengage with my Corsair because the two wing fighters have been so quick to get onto my six and away from my front, i had to lure them away and decouple while firing back.
So I'm a new player who bought SC awhile back but never really got into it. Don't really want to break the bank either. I played a whole lot of elite dangerous and no man's sky, realized I'm really an explorer and combat oriented never did like the mining stuff just drive to places and explore with occasional combat when I get bored off aimlessly flying. What ship would you recommend me?
Hey welcome to the game! It sort of depends on how much you want to spend, and also it's important to note that exploration isn't built in the game yet as an actual career (despite there being ships "focused" in exploration). so that's a pretty big caveat since I won't really be prioritizing that in my recommendation since who knows what that'll actually need in the future. But for now, a great little ship that can get you around the verse and do some combat is the Avenger Titan. If you want to spend less than that, you could also go for a Mustang Alpha which is a more agile fighter but gives up some additional flexibility like an interior with a bed to sleep in (and log out from) and a more spacious cargo area. The Mustang Beta adds a bit of a living area (not as nice as the Titans) while keeping most of the combat capability of the Alpha, so that's another option. If you're ok to spend a bit more, the Cutlass Black is a really highly recommended ship and for good reason, it's one of the best all-rounders in the game and one of the best bang-for-bucks there is. That said, it doesn't excel at anything, but it's able to dabble in almost anything (except the specialized salvaging and mining careers).
I think the best thing I can recommend for you before spending more money on the game is to play it a bit with whatever ship you got when you originally bought the game (the game package always comes with a ship) and see what you actually like doing. Maybe watch some gameplay videos of some of the ships I recommended and see if they suit your style and if you like their gameplay.
One more thing worth mentioning is that the game is far from complete, and balance is constantly changing. So a ship that's good at something today might be better or worse at it tomorrow. There's a few MAJOR balance changes yet to come - the combat flight speed change (aka master modes) and the implementation of armor (and physicalized damage). Things will change greatly when each of those changes come in, but we're probably over a year out for either of them (and my best guess for armor is probably 2-3 years out).
I'm happy to elaborate on any questions you have more if you'd like but I've already written a short novel so I'll stop blabbing now and let you decide if you want to hear more :)
@@WingZeroType wow thanks for taking the time and really considering my options through. I looked into the ships you recommend to me. the Cutler is currently $125, Mustang $45 and avenger $75. I feel like if I'm going to spend $100+ I might as well save more and get an s tier ship. However the avenger is a solid option. It has a decent cargo space I can fit a small size Rover in and from what I've seen online it's a decent fighter for the price. I might actually get that! That could be a cool little starter that's not crazy expensive. I bought the game years ago and I don't really remember how much I paid originally I think it was like $25 and I got the Aurora as my starter ship. It's a cool little ship kinda ugly though. And no storage and when I flew on a planet's atmosphere something broke I can't remember what it was.
@@thejoyghost17haha you're welcome, and yeah I love the titan! It does have a cargo area but the only existing vehicle that can fit in the back is the PTV, which is the golf cart. It won't do too well on any sort of rough terrain. If you want to lean more towards the exploration side, you could consider the Nomad, which is also an excellent ship. It is a bit weaker for combat though, but has a nicer living area, nicer cockpit (IMO) and it has a pickup-truck-esque rear lift for cargo. The downside of that is your cargo is unprotected so if you're ever running cargo in dangerous space people can swipe it right off your ship. But the nice thing about that is that it's much less limited in what ground vehicles it can carry, since it has unlimited height and the vehicle can stick off the rear a little bit.
One other thing to note is that if you're ok with getting rid of your aurora, you can buy what's called a Cross-chassis-upgrade (CCU) and apply that to your game package with the aurora. You basically pay the difference in value of the aurora and your target ship and that "upgrade" is delivered to your hangar on the website. Then you go to your hangar on the RSI website and "apply" that CCU to turn your aurora into whatever the upgraded ship is. Just note that the upgrades can only go in one direction, you can't un-upgrade down to a cheaper ship. They do give you the option to "exchange" your ship though, which you'll commonly see people online refer to as "melting". All that does is take all the money you put into the ship and returns it to you in RSI store credit. You can use that store credit to buy other things. Since you got the Aurora AND the game for $25, I wouldn't melt that package since the price has raised since then, but I just wanted to let you know it was possible. If this all sounds confusing and too much, just know that you can upgrade the aurora to another ship by buying that CCU and applying it on the website (don't forget to apply it!). Or... you can just buy another ship standalone, in which case the prices that you listed are probably a bit high. Since you already have the game package, you don't need to buy the game package again, so an avenger titan would be $60 (in the USA, at least). If you're in another country, the prices might be different but just wanted to ensure you knew you didn't have to buy the game package again.
You can see the price of standalone ships and CCUs on the pledge store here: robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge
"ships" is where you get the standalone ships and "ship upgrades" is where you can shop for CCUs. You select the "from" ship (aka your aurora) and the "to" ship (aka the titan/nomad/cutlass/whatever) and it'll tell you what the cost of the upgrade is.
I stopped using fixed loadouts on my Corsair. Basically if the ship isn't super maneuverable then I make up for it by using gimbals which puts WAY more dps on target. I can't stand Ballistic loadouts either. The low ammo capacities are super lame. 2600 rounds is hardly anything and that's the high end.
Yeah I tried a full laser loadout at first, but I kept getting shafted by the invincible front S2 shields of the targets, which is why I changed to ballistics. I did have to rearm about every 20 mins, but even after that it made a really solid income, and way better than I managed with laser weapons. Once they fix the front S2 shields, I definitely will be using laser cannons again lol. fixed vs gimballed is a personal choice, I can land my shots with fixed weapons so I much prefer having the higher dps of s5's, some people would rather go gimballed and thats fine too - the option's there for a reason!
Thank you for the list. Your lists are always great to have as ships and bounties go various changes every patch and it's hard to find a suitable ship for both quest effectiveness and my flying preferences.
Looks like this patch is going to be rough for me. In your list, I'd only like to fly Vanguard in S-A class. And even that's a sluggish ship to my likings. Agility hit on lost wing thingies is also no good.
It looks like Defender is the next best, again. That's one of the ships I genuinely enjoy flying and if it's on the top the B class even though it only has 4xS2 missiles, it must be great. It's too expensive in game though, but I think it still worth it. You also get the fastest QT drive with no range problems. I also loved the way it looks but that's subjective.
No, thank YOU for checking out all my videos. It's these kinds of lovely comments that make it all worth the effort. And yeah I'm bummed that the latest changes have decreased the viability of faster ships in VHRT combat. Balance-wise, I think it makes sense. It doesn''t really make sense that a single gladius would be able to kill a Valkyrie if it's guarded by other valks and hurricanes. But that's why I said I'd like for them to make light-medium fighter VHRTs, so that you could still make good money while using those smaller ships. I think the Banu is the best bet if you like a faster, more agile ship for VHRTs, but it will take some effort. I was moving my power around during combat to let my shields recharge whatever they could when I was firing my guns
@@WingZeroType You have tested 40+ ships and put them in a video with all relevant pros and cons while adding your personal findings and opinions for us. It's really hard task to begin with, yet you have done it amazingly as well. Thanking is the least I could do, really. You more than deserve it. 👏
I'm still shy of one million for defender and still weighing my options. So this video couldn't come at better time for me. Mostly doing service beacons with Mustang now as I just couldn't make the same amount in same time with regular bounties even with the down time of the beacons when they refused to spawn. (and your take on Mustang is just perfect in the video, really it loses a wing so fast in heated fights that I finished more fights with 3 weapons than with 4 weapons. Overheating problem is also just as you described.) Still, I have fun doing low and medium threats. I even went against Connies time to time and so far I haven't lost my ship once (completely!). So I'm up to challange already. I guess Defender would be the next logical step for solo pilot like me. Or maybe the scorpius if I convince my buddy to play and be my gunner :P
Either way, I don't think I'd go wrong with any of them based on your tests. This is just the information I needed to decide. Real experience with actual ships on current patch. Simply precious.
Would love an update on this for 3.23, or does the Tier List still mostly apply?
Thanks, we're probably a long ways out before getting another tier list update unfortunately, b/c these lists take me weeks to create. It takes time to get experiences flying ships with different loadouts to figure out where they land on the list, and then it takes time to sort of put it all together and ensure that it makes sense so that when someone pics two random ships and compares them, i have a defensible position in the list lol. And lastly, I need the footage for all the ships!
Add in the fact that ship combat has COMPLETELY changed with huge changes to all weapons, capacitors, and all ships... there's a lot of work to do lol. I might try to put out a shorter version of a tierlist that groups ships into performance envelopes but it'll be a while before we get something as detailed as a full tier list vid.
@@WingZeroType Yeah makes sense. If you don't mind helping me out a bit: I was thinking of picking up a dedicated Fighter for Invictus and with 3.23 coming out so close before Invictus it's really difficult to find some clear cut opinions on the internet. I really like the Scorpius just because i love how it looks and even Solo it should still have some good DPS. Do you think it would hold up well even in higher Threat Bounties and if not what would you recommend?
When did the redeemer loose the remote turret control for the pilot? It has always had 2x S4 and 2x S3 for the pilot... no?
In 3.17 the chin turret wasn't available for the pilot to use, and people weren't sure whether that was a bug or intentional. But I'm glad to see that it's back :D It seems like it shouldn't be for the pilot in some ways b/c it gives the pilot access to the ship's turret capacitor, which no other ship allows...
this guide should say: tier list if planning on eating 95% of incoming fire, no offense but the inferno can easily solo crit threats can easily evade all incoming fire, arrow can do erts without getting hit once, im trying to make sense of this list but i cant, some picks are accurate but 600i should be S along with corsair and connie, because of distance strafing all incoming damage, you seem to eat every shot though in your video. Hurricane C tier??? LOL not possible! Hurricane and Scorp should be S by all rights.
Oh man, so much to address here. First off, thanks for giving me your feedback, I can only get better when I hear from people with different perspectives than me. For the hurricane/scorpius comment, this is a solo tier list, and they are definitely not S tier for solo play.
For the sake of you saying all high-dps ships with size 5s should be S-tier, you can't always range kite enemies *efficiently*. Just because the 600i can very comfortably kill hammerheads doesn't mean it's the best ship, because it's slow as crap and if you're doing a group ERT or group VHRT you're going to have smaller ships to aim at that have infinite front shields. You can *definitely* get into a situation where your only shots on a ship will hit their front shield and they keep pointing and facing at you. That can get tricky. It doesn't happen a lot, but it *does* happen.
I'm trying to figure out which ships are the most effective at doing bounties across all player styles and skill levels. I'm not trying to figure out which ships are able to do the highest level of bounties. I've done over 4 hours of group and solo VRHTs with each of these ships, the footage I picked is just what I thought was most indicative of an average player experience, or what I thought was most scenic. I'm not a top tier pilot in the game, and by definition MOST people aren't top tier. By definition, most people are average. I'm making this list for those people.
About why I'm eating all the shots, its faster to get kills this way than to try to kite backwards, especially in slower larger ships, and especially with the smarter AI. At range, hammerheads will rotate their higher shield faces towards you so that you can't just slam through a single shield face and kill them like you used to be able to in 3.17. They don't always blindly follow you like they used to. Sometimes, but not often enough for this to be a reliable strategy in my opinion.
As for the claim that the arrow can do ERTs without getting hit even once, I'd challenge you to show me an ERT on a moon where you're in an arrow and you complete the ERT without getting hit even once. It's easy to say in theory, thinking of the best possible scenario where the wingmen are reclaimers and you're fighting in atmo, but you're also going to get into situations where the wingmen are hurricanes and valkyries and you're in atmo, and then you WILL NOT dodge fire. Maybe you're only playing on completely full servers where the AI is dead, but I typically try to find servers where the fps is around 7-10 and there the turrets on those heavy fighters are no joke.
You probably have a point about the Inferno though, I don't get beacons... like ever... so I can't comment because I haven't tried it, but I think the inferno would do pretty well at critical threat beacons since they're always in space so you can always disengage if you get in trouble and your fire will just pierce through shields. I probably had a run of bad luck with the ship but I kept having torps/missiles not kill hurricanes and it took me some time and effort to get kills on them. I compared my average kill times and my average income over the few hours with other ships and thats more or less where the inferno landed. It'll probably do even better come 3.20 through since they're going to decrease the spread of its gun though.
Thanks again for your reply, you've given me some stuff to think about, but I hope a bit more of what I was thinking about makes sense after this explanation.
Another Hawk W. People have slept on the DPS of this thing but now that we're post-pip wiggle and ballistic magazine nerf, they're going to have to start considering other ships than the Gladi and Arrow.
Absolutely agree - it's such a fun ship to fly but you definitely need to be on your toes lol
Where would you put the Aegis Sabre Raven on this? 2 emps, but not much firepower. It's the only ship I have, working on bounty stuff and new to the game. So far, fun.
It's wild to me that it's the only ship that you have. You know how much that goes for on the black market, right? lol.
Either way, congrats and welcome to the game! Sorry for the super delayed response, real life got super crazy for me. But unfortunately as you might expect, the Sabre Raven isn't really much of a combat ship on paper. I haven't ever flown one due to how crazy rare and expensive they are so I couldn't tell you from experience if it outperforms its statistics, but it seems it'd really struggle to chew through the large shields that are on the more lucrative bounties in 3.22 to land the EMPs against the hulls, and even after that it'd take forever to chew through the hulls with only 2xs3 guns. I'd have to say most likely in the D-tier, but this is just speculation for me
Seeing you responding to comments on a video from 8 months ago is amazing. Also you answering the questions about "is the list still up to date?" then providing answers about new placements on the tier list is huge, thank you for your continued work.
Thanks a bunch - I really appreciate the kind words :) This is all definitely a labor of love for me. I really enjoy this space game and want to help others bridge the knowledge gap so that they can get maximum fun out of it too :D
how does the defender perform in 3.23, and would it be better or worse than a san'tokyai? was thinking about CCUing from a defender to a san'tokyai
They're both about the same I'd say. The STY has a better capacitor and a lot more missiles which helps it put out more dps but the defender is a smaller target and feels a bit more stable when partially damaged. If I had multiple ships I'd probably go for the STY but if I didn't I'd probably go for the defender since it also has an interior and a bed, whereas the STY is just a seat in the cockpit and nothing more.