I'd like to see some cast lead bullets. I remember when you tried them before they were slightly oversized. Maybe if you size them down to .308" maybe there won't be any or as much lead build up. Just my two cents, do with it what you will.
Since you are back to the light (cheap) subsonics... The solution is (drumroll) - seat 'em low. I've been working 168gn TipMK and 155gn Amax while you were hunting. The typical COL for Vmax or NosVarm is 2.05 (or even lower?). Seating the Amax to 2.05 and TMKs to 2.1 will get you to 80-90% (from 60% fill). Conversely, don't seat those Nosler BTips so low for supersonic - Accurate seats them to 2.15 for more speed.
Oops meant 2.15 on the Tipped MKs, and 2.05 for the AMax. You could go down to 2.1 and 2.0, but they will be funny looking enough already. It is worth noting the "published" data for Nosler 125gn Ballistic Tips puts them down to 2.05. This is odd as Western (Accurate) has 2.165 COL. Accurate resists compression past 106%, maybe CFE BLK can be compressed more.
Did you do any testing with the Sierra 210gr. BTHP That Bullet is longer than the BLK case. Accurate 1680 14.8 gr. Is about the max amount of powder you can use and still have a. Bullet case combo that will fit the Lancer 300 blk magazines!
Ladybugs? Try camping in Louisiana. The farmers there put them out because they kill some other kinds of insects. I still find dead 🐞 in my trailer from row years ago!
Shit. I’m just about to start reloading for the first time and I bought this. I’m reloading 150gr FMJ practice stuff, but they’re supers. Should I have gotten something else for supers? I don’t have a suppressor so I shoot supers exclusively. I just want good range ammo, and 150gr is really heavy for supers so maybe this will be right in the middle?
I'm using 150gr FMJ bullets from Hornady for plinking out of a 10.5" blackout. Using 20gr of CLE BLK I am getting a velocity of 1701fps using a suppressor. CLE BLK is probably the cleanest powder I've ever shot but it doesn't have much energy per grain. Since it's a spherical ball powder it gets all over my bench and powder dropper to. I'm getting 1" groups at 50yds using a 1-4 scope.
anyone else just starting to reload 300 BLK and jealous at all this powder and primer? lol Good stuff Johnny. Thank you so much for this awesome information
I got a pretty good advice from one of the 6.5 guys channel for compressed loads. They start the bullet in the case just a bit and then shake it with a battery powered toothbrush to settled the powder a little bit. I helps with the crush. on larger case, they also tip the bullet round over to allow the powder to get around the bullet base. Can't wait to see your videos.
I’m wanting to use this powder with the Hornady SUB-X 190gr and keep it subsonic out of a 10 inch barrel. I’m thinking 13gr will be the highest I can go staying subsonic, but I don’t want to go to low on my velocity either. Have you tried any 190 grain subsonic with the CFE-BLK?
Johnny, I am really enjoying your 300 BLK videos. I am trying to work up an accurate load for my PSA 16" upper and have been struggling getting consistency! I will test a Bullet, Powder, Primer load and get 1/2" groups at 100 yds then reload the exact load for 3 , 3 shot groups and shoot 1 1/2" groups! I'm looking for "accuracy loads" and not so concerned as much about FPS! Thanks for all your videos, you are my "Go To Guy!" The accuracy on your CFE BLK supersonic loads got me excited!
I know this might be an odd ball request but I know they make some accelerator sabots for .223 bullets for 30 caliber guns. I haven't seen anyone try those in 300 blk. I think that be a fun and interesting test in this serious.
Have you ever tried loading a 208 gr bullet supersonic for the sheer energy on target? I was thinking of trying a load of 13 grs of cfe over the 208 Hornady bullet. Any thoughts?
And for the 147 subsonics, I red somewhere that you can use trail boss for reduced loads in big cartridges (ex: Remington ultra mags) It may be worth a try. Here's from hodgedon's site www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf
The problem was to much room left in the case at 1050 fps. That produced a big swing in velocity depending on powder position in the case. Anyhow, it was a simple thought. ;)
i use tite group and shoot reduced 556 308 loads use some poly fill to keep powder in tear of case weigh the poly fill and use the same amount on each charge but it will not cycle the bolts on semi autos but its still fun
Have you shot your match champion yet!? what happened to the .357 loads?? you said wed be seeing them in the next few weeks, a few weeks back? I have the match champion, I load .357 but im so new at it. I cant wait to see your take on it!
Your just an awesome guy!! By far my one of my favorite youtubers! Your deligent to respond and always entertaining to watch! Love all of your content but definitely Looking forward to seeing what you load up for .357 this week!
tried CFE blk with the Lee auto-drum. that's a big no go. leaks bad and inconsistent. anyone have suggestions on meters that work with small spherical powders?
Tighten the drum until it stops leaking! I will do a video in the next day or two on the subject. I will make sure to test CFE BLK in the auto-drum. I will also cover the Lee perfect powder measure, since people have the same complaint about that one.
Johnny's Reloading Bench I've tried everything. cleaned all parts with alcohol, light graphite lube job, tightening the drum, using it slow, fast, I really want this to work.
It's leaking from around the drum? Getting through the tapered fit between the metal and plastic part? Or is it coming from somewhere else? It it just a few granules on the bench after a loading session or is it quite a lot?
Johnny's Reloading Bench its from around the drum. and it's alot. also very inconsistent drops. I can here crunchy scratching when it start and it gets with with every drop.
Yes, eventually. I probably won't do any more gel tests until I buy a kit from clear ballistics or something like that. My previous gel testing with homemade gel was a mess.
Unfortunately, if it is anything like A1680, supersonic will mean FIREBALLS with the lighter bullets. I've switched to LT-30 for subs - trying to use up 4lbs of A1680 with supers. Accurate lists A1680 as a 223 powder after all, where a 16" burn (and flames of glory) is the norm. Max speed with those 125gn BTips for will be under 2100fps.
If you are wanting another bullet to try, I have the better part of a box of 125 Sierra Prohunter 30-30 125 flat nose HP number 2020 that I would ship to you. Kind of throwing something into the effort.
I won't tell anyone how excited you are about this powder if you don't tell anyone how excited I am about this powder! Lol. I have never seen two powders look more alike then those two. CFE BLK is new to me. But I live under a rock.
Sir, What do you think about VV powders for subsonics? Do you have a preference for which VV? N110? I was told it was very clean. Just curious since my suppressor I got is non-serviceable so I would like to not send it back often.
N110 is definitely the one to go with. I haven't tested it yet but I have a pound in the mail right now. I should be using it in some videos that get posted over the next couple weeks. You will find that silencers are pretty self-cleaning. I haven't cleaned mine at all and it doesn't seem particularly dirty. Your gun, on the other hand, will be absolutely filthy all the time. It is incredible how gross a gun gets when shooting suppressed!
Yup, that's correct. I was reading off the Hodgdon load data and they've got it wrong. I knew it sounded wrong as I was saying it. Should have double checked.
They are some sort of invasive japanese beetle. They are red, have black spots, and look just like ladybugs, though...so I call them ladybugs. They invade everyone's houses in the winter around my area.
I use H110 for all of my 300blkout loads. But you gotta use magnum primers for subs. I have a good bit of CFE BLK but I’ve barely used it, seems like I need to use it more
looking forward to the tests and data. didn't even know hodg Don was brewing this powder up. cool man
Definitely would like to see how the Maker Rex bullets perform with new powder👍🏾
I will definitely be testing those! I am really curious about that myself.
I'd like to see some cast lead bullets. I remember when you tried them before they were slightly oversized. Maybe if you size them down to .308" maybe there won't be any or as much lead build up. Just my two cents, do with it what you will.
Since you are back to the light (cheap) subsonics... The solution is (drumroll) - seat 'em low. I've been working 168gn TipMK and 155gn Amax while you were hunting. The typical COL for Vmax or NosVarm is 2.05 (or even lower?). Seating the Amax to 2.05 and TMKs to 2.1 will get you to 80-90% (from 60% fill). Conversely, don't seat those Nosler BTips so low for supersonic - Accurate seats them to 2.15 for more speed.
I'll give that a shot! Sounds like a good idea.
Oops meant 2.15 on the Tipped MKs, and 2.05 for the AMax. You could go down to 2.1 and 2.0, but they will be funny looking enough already. It is worth noting the "published" data for Nosler 125gn Ballistic Tips puts them down to 2.05. This is odd as Western (Accurate) has 2.165 COL. Accurate resists compression past 106%, maybe CFE BLK can be compressed more.
Looking forward to trying out the CFE BLK in my 7.62 x 39 as nobody carries AA1680 around here anymore. It will probably be cheaper as well.
Did you do any testing with the Sierra 210gr. BTHP That Bullet is longer than the BLK case. Accurate 1680 14.8 gr. Is about the max amount of powder you can use and still have a. Bullet case combo that will fit the Lancer 300 blk magazines!
Cool! I saw my comment in the "try CFE BLK" request comments (My channel is TRJ The reloading Journey) Look forward to the testing :-)
Ladybugs? Try camping in Louisiana. The farmers there put them out because they kill some other kinds of insects. I still find dead 🐞 in my trailer from row years ago!
If you've got the mold I would like to see some 130 grain LYMAN 311410 powder coated bullets because that's what I use a lot. Thanks
Johnny thanks for the quick reply
H110 17.6-17.9. = @2143
Shot today. Love your hard work and info. $$$$ there's a lot of cost for your hard work.
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CCI 450 magnums Learned that but shot for accuracy and they were great.
Ok now to the CFE Blk
Hey Johnny, you think you can also do a workup with the 225gr Hornady BTHP, i ask cos i just picked up a sload of them?
Yeah, but I need to order some more.
Shit. I’m just about to start reloading for the first time and I bought this. I’m reloading 150gr FMJ practice stuff, but they’re supers. Should I have gotten something else for supers? I don’t have a suppressor so I shoot supers exclusively. I just want good range ammo, and 150gr is really heavy for supers so maybe this will be right in the middle?
I'm using 150gr FMJ bullets from Hornady for plinking out of a 10.5" blackout. Using 20gr of CLE BLK I am getting a velocity of 1701fps using a suppressor. CLE BLK is probably the cleanest powder I've ever shot but it doesn't have much energy per grain. Since it's a spherical ball powder it gets all over my bench and powder dropper to. I'm getting 1" groups at 50yds using a 1-4 scope.
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anyone else just starting to reload 300 BLK and jealous at all this powder and primer? lol Good stuff Johnny. Thank you so much for this awesome information
I got a pretty good advice from one of the 6.5 guys channel for compressed loads. They start the bullet in the case just a bit and then shake it with a battery powered toothbrush to settled the powder a little bit. I helps with the crush. on larger case, they also tip the bullet round over to allow the powder to get around the bullet base. Can't wait to see your videos.
I’m wanting to use this powder with the Hornady SUB-X 190gr and keep it subsonic out of a 10 inch barrel. I’m thinking 13gr will be the highest I can go staying subsonic, but I don’t want to go to low on my velocity either. Have you tried any 190 grain subsonic with the CFE-BLK?
Johnny, I am really enjoying your 300 BLK videos. I am trying to work up an accurate load for my PSA 16" upper and have been struggling getting consistency! I will test a Bullet, Powder, Primer load and get 1/2" groups at 100 yds then reload the exact load for 3 , 3 shot groups and shoot 1 1/2" groups! I'm looking for "accuracy loads" and not so concerned as much about FPS! Thanks for all your videos, you are my "Go To Guy!" The accuracy on your CFE BLK supersonic loads got me excited!
Me , did u ever figure it out ?
I'll be looking forward to your subsonic load testing with this powder. Thanks for all your work.
I know this might be an odd ball request but I know they make some accelerator sabots for .223 bullets for 30 caliber guns. I haven't seen anyone try those in 300 blk. I think that be a fun and interesting test in this serious.
Really looking forward to the primer video. I bought cci 400 since it was used for ar 223s. if they don't work with h110 for supers I'll be pissed.
Did they work? thats what I just bought now I'm worried lol
Have you ever tried loading a 208 gr bullet supersonic for the sheer energy on target? I was thinking of trying a load of 13 grs of cfe over the 208 Hornady bullet. Any thoughts?
And for the 147 subsonics, I red somewhere that you can use trail boss for reduced loads in big cartridges (ex: Remington ultra mags) It may be worth a try. Here's from hodgedon's site www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf
Don't plan on it cycling the bolt
The problem was to much room left in the case at 1050 fps. That produced a big swing in velocity depending on powder position in the case. Anyhow, it was a simple thought. ;)
i use tite group and shoot reduced 556 308 loads use some poly fill to keep powder in tear of case weigh the poly fill and use the same amount on each charge but it will not cycle the bolts on semi autos but its still fun
This man has 47K worth of product in one video...in todays prices haha
What kind of press are you using? I like the option you have to just rotate the top and move does into position
Congrats you lucky dog. Looking forward to the next set of videos.
Have you shot your match champion yet!? what happened to the .357 loads?? you said wed be seeing them in the next few weeks, a few weeks back? I have the match champion, I load .357 but im so new at it. I cant wait to see your take on it!
This week! I swear! If I don't upload a 357 Mag video by Sunday I vow to delete my channel! I've been putting it off too long.
Your just an awesome guy!! By far my one of my favorite youtubers! Your deligent to respond and always entertaining to watch! Love all of your content but definitely Looking forward to seeing what you load up for .357 this week!
I have been watching a ton of your videos, great info! Do you plan on doing a video of a load with CFE BLK and Leatherwood 220gr bullets?
I can't wait for the next set of videos.
I would like help withe a good 220 gn. Berry's bullets and cfe and 1680 please
looking forward to seeing how the speers do I got some to try in my blackout but haven't made it to the range due to weather
Good stuff, can't wait.
Very cool! Looking forward to the videos. .300 blk and ladybugs? 🤔
Swwweeeetttt!! Got to go find some!!!!!!!!!
Have you load CFE black with a 230grn lead lee bullet yet???
Wow, lots of work to do. Did you leave anything in stock at Midway? Can't wait to see your upcoming videos.
can you do a video on 150gr bullet subsonic load with the cfe blk powder?
tried CFE blk with the Lee auto-drum. that's a big no go. leaks bad and inconsistent. anyone have suggestions on meters that work with small spherical powders?
Tighten the drum until it stops leaking! I will do a video in the next day or two on the subject. I will make sure to test CFE BLK in the auto-drum. I will also cover the Lee perfect powder measure, since people have the same complaint about that one.
Johnny's Reloading Bench I've tried everything. cleaned all parts with alcohol, light graphite lube job, tightening the drum, using it slow, fast, I really want this to work.
It's leaking from around the drum? Getting through the tapered fit between the metal and plastic part? Or is it coming from somewhere else? It it just a few granules on the bench after a loading session or is it quite a lot?
Johnny's Reloading Bench its from around the drum. and it's alot. also very inconsistent drops. I can here crunchy scratching when it start and it gets with with every drop.
OK cool. I'll see if I can recreate your problem. Should have a video up in the next day or two.
can you get some Maker 125gr TRex to test for 300blk? would love to know how they expand in gel
Yes, eventually. I probably won't do any more gel tests until I buy a kit from clear ballistics or something like that. My previous gel testing with homemade gel was a mess.
oh man! great to see u got some. i saw a few pics on Instagram on that powder!
Looking forward for your videos.
Lady Bugs are good luck.
Unfortunately, if it is anything like A1680, supersonic will mean FIREBALLS with the lighter bullets. I've switched to LT-30 for subs - trying to use up 4lbs of A1680 with supers. Accurate lists A1680 as a 223 powder after all, where a 16" burn (and flames of glory) is the norm. Max speed with those 125gn BTips for will be under 2100fps.
If you are wanting another bullet to try, I have the better part of a box of 125 Sierra Prohunter 30-30 125 flat nose HP number 2020 that I would ship to you. Kind of throwing something into the effort.
I won't tell anyone how excited you are about this powder if you don't tell anyone how excited I am about this powder! Lol. I have never seen two powders look more alike then those two. CFE BLK is new to me. But I live under a rock.
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Think you can do the Lee 230 gr cast bullet? Have been trying to get that ironed out with limited success.
Sir,
What do you think about VV powders for subsonics? Do you have a preference for which VV? N110? I was told it was very clean. Just curious since my suppressor I got is non-serviceable so I would like to not send it back often.
N110 is definitely the one to go with. I haven't tested it yet but I have a pound in the mail right now. I should be using it in some videos that get posted over the next couple weeks.
You will find that silencers are pretty self-cleaning. I haven't cleaned mine at all and it doesn't seem particularly dirty. Your gun, on the other hand, will be absolutely filthy all the time. It is incredible how gross a gun gets when shooting suppressed!
Johnny's Reloading Bench yes please lmk I'll be running it in a 16" 1 in 8 twist with a omega 9k.
rem 71/2 primers are benchrest primers i believe
Yup, that's correct. I was reading off the Hodgdon load data and they've got it wrong. I knew it sounded wrong as I was saying it. Should have double checked.
Been waiting for this.
I would love to see some 220 grain leatherheads in the lineup...
Lots of people having luck with those. I will have to order some soon!
the "recommended loads" seem to use Magnum primers, do you personally use them? are they really that necessary?
I have some Rainiers 180gr hp I want you to try.
What do you have for load data 145 grn for 308win.
208gr eld match in the 16" platform.
Sounds good looking forward to seeing your results...!!!
lol that was not a lady bug...thanks for the hard work I really like your channel. I am loading 300blk and had some interesting results
They are some sort of invasive japanese beetle. They are red, have black spots, and look just like ladybugs, though...so I call them ladybugs. They invade everyone's houses in the winter around my area.
how did u get that ? my supplier said march
I ordered from Grafs. It's in stock at Grafs and Powder Valley right now.
Johnny's Reloading Bench thanks
curious how the eld matchs do want to load some 6.5 grendals with them
130 grain speer varmint hp
Looking forward to ur next video
I use H110 for all of my 300blkout loads. But you gotta use magnum primers for subs. I have a good bit of CFE BLK but I’ve barely used it, seems like I need to use it more