Situational Awareness is even More IMPORTANT than what you're carrying. If you keep your head in your surroundings and Don't draw attention, the chances of being attacked are less. And if you do get targeted as a victim, if you see it coming because you were paying attention instead of having your head buried in your phone, it will give you more time to execute a preemptive attack. Stay Vigilant, and Stay Alive. 👍
They were nervously laughing because their imagined attacker had turned the tide with a turtleneck pullover shirt. No buttons to aim for... D: On a serious note, your advice is what I have heard since I was young. 3rd button down might just do it. Thanks for sharing!
Most body armor does not cover the lower pelvic region. There are two femoral arteries and two femoral veins, fed by the lower aorta and the inferior vena cava. Huge blood vessels, you could bleed out in 2-3 min with a direct injury to any of them.
Some instructors train to instead of waiting till you are aligned for center mass or a head shot they instead want you to start firing almost as soon as you get sights on the target at all because they would argue nobody likes getting shot even if it’s in the leg and usually the 1st person to get hits on target wins
Comanche that is why a person must stay alert, don’t go to bad areas unless you absolutely have to, present a hard target, withdraw if you see something unfolding, and fight if you must. And don’t waste time wondering WHY you have been targeted but serve it up to them with gusto!
I preach situational awareness... If you have a gun or no, knowing if there is a threat coming is half the battle. That means, head on a swivel, not down on your damn phone.
mskiUSMC there are those that understand what we've been through, preach wtf you want SA is a given all the fucking time. My shitholes are solo no squad w you or QRF in the future even when you know shit will hit the fan your on your last nerve civilian shit in Manila or Anbar on Saturday nights et al.
I have been a forensic psych for going on 20 years. I have interviewed, no exaggeration, thousands of people involved in gun fights. This is a situation where I kept saying I will do this job for one more year. The next year it was one more year. As a result I never kept any official stats so I have nothing solid to present but a few things do stand out in my mind. First, reloading during a gunfight is rare. It does happen but the majority of gunfights on the streets are a fairly quick exchange and it's over one way or another. Secondly, assuming .38 or 9mm and larger, the cal is secondary. As far as handguns go, nothing really stands out to me as superior. No doubt, a .45 has more energy and in some cases, that extra energy will make a difference but it doesn't seem to pass a threshold where that difference is notable. I saw one case where a guy got shot in the gut with a .45. He fell to the floor, rolled around crying for a min, then realized he wasn't incapacitated and got up and ran off. A few moments later he realized he was going to need an ER so he sat down and waited for the police. I have seen more cases where the number of rounds is more important than the cal. I am just one of many opinions out there but I carry a high capacity 9mm. My reason being, having more rounds in a brief fight is more important than having bigger rounds. I am also a thin woman with little girly wrists and I can shoot a full sized 9mm faster.
During my 30 year career I was involved in three gunfights, only one of which I had to reload my revolver under fire. My take away from all these experiences is quick accuracy, shot placement, is far more important than caliber. We were issued .38 revolvers which were reputed to be underpowered but my experiences were quite the opposite.
One thing I would add about the pelvic girdle is that it is the support structure for the body. If you break the bones in the pelvic girdle the target can not stand. High or not, pain tolerance or not, the support structure is broken so they are mechanically unable to stand.
Steven Dwyer Good point. I did see a video where a criminal was shot in the pelvic region and though he could not stand he continued to shoot many rounds lying on his side.... Humans can be tough critters to be sure...
Where I live shooting a criminal laying on the ground is against the law unless you can prove the criminal is still a threat. I personally will worry about that later.
Yes Pelvic Girdle, It Absolutely will STOP a CRAZY Criminal and CRAZY is hard to stop. 12 gauge blast to the groin, or upper groin area should take care of the Pelvic Girdle and some other benefits, such as very large Arteries in the area, plus some Organs that don't like getting shot.
Regarding pain. A crack, pcp, or meth head got on the luggage roof- rack of my friends car. No verbal or physical persuasion would get him off the roof. My friend just got in his car and carrying the doper on the roof all the way, drove to the local police station. It took 4 officers to peel the guy's hands off the rack.
Just a bit of a correction; US Army never used the .45ACP round during the Philippine Insurrection. It's true that they decided the .38 Long Colt was not getting the job done, so the Army reissued old reworked Colt Single Action Army six shooters. These pistols were in .45Long Colt and were much appreciated by the troops in the Philippines. Years later when the Army decided to modernize and adopt a semiautomatic pistol, most offerings were 9mm's or .38's. However, the Army said they would only consider a new pistol in .45 or larger. Colt redesigned its .38acp pistol to take a new .45acp cartridge, and the 1911 was born.
While they were undoubtedly chambered in .45 Colt (not "Long Colt") they weren't necessarily issued .45 Colt ammunition due to an ongoing supply problem in the US army where they had both .45 Colt revolvers and .45 Schofield revolvers and different ammunition for each. There were continual problems of ammunition being issued to the wrong guns. It was decided to only issue the Colt revolver and only procure the Schofield ammunition as the Colt revolver could use any of the ammunition in the supply chain and the .45 Schofield ammunition being added to the supply chain could be used in either revolver including any Schofield revolvers still in use. Schofield revolvers stuck around as since there was less and less .45 Colt ammunition available it's not like you got a more powerful revolver and the Schofield was quicker to reload: you could eject all spent rounds at once then load 2 rounds at a time. Which is why the .45ACP replicated the ballistics of .45 Schofield, not the heavier and faster bullet of .45 Colt.
What about aiming for the neck? 1) there's a ton of vitals there 2) being too high gets the head 3) being too low gets the center mass 4) being low left or right can get the clavicle and the artery PS: yes, center mass and head will still be preferable targets, but compared to the stomach and hips, I rather think of the neck first.
The margin of error is too small. You also have to remember that there might be people behind the person you are shooting. If you dont hit the target, those bullets are going somewhere. You want the bad guy to be the back stop and all rounds to go in to him. I like where your head is at though
The neck is something you MIGHT hit if your shot at center mass is too high, but I would still aim right about where he drew the big dot, or, slightly below center point between the shoulders
In the context of SD shootings, "stopping power" simply means that after being shot, the threat stops being a threat. Whether they dropped dead, were physically incapacitated or simply surrendered. Regardless of which one it is, the round "stopped" the threat. In self defense, that's the goal.
True regarding what "stopped" means in a self-defensive shooting scenario, specops56. Good points. The only things I can think of to add to that are these: one should not immediately assume a homicidal attacker is "stopped"/ "incapacitated" just because he or she has fallen to the ground, for while there is any possibility of consciousness or regaining consciousness there, there is also the possibility of reemergence of aggression; furthermore, relatedly, if the weapon of the enemy is still within reach of the enemy's grasped, it should be considered as still having potential of being retrieved to be used against the self-defender. So watchfulness is still essential, if, for whatever real reason, the self-defender must remain in the actual location of the attack & the self-defender should not reholster if necessarily still at the scene, at least not until law enforcement arives & takes over the situation (stay on phone with the 911 dispatcher, of course, to continue to communicate that you are the victim, your description, your actual & -- if present -- loved one's actual location(s) within the area as well the actual location of the perpetrator(s) within the area, &, highly important, that you are yet armed & intend to be armed until the police enter & take charge of the threat(s)). The best thing, most likely, if loved ones are able to be in tow & not be left behind, is to vacate the scene of the incident while in contact with 911 or to contact 911 afterwards to tell the self-defensive side of the story & direct the first responders back to the scene of the attack.
Agreed 100%. This is why I've taught my wife to keep shooting the threat until it stops being a threat no matter how many rounds that takes. I've also taught her to describe herself and clothing and ask the 911 dispatcher to send EMTs for the attacker.
1:10 PCP would probably be one of the main hallucinogenic type drugs that can make somebody extremely hard to kill. It has anesthetic properties so it can entirely kill pain and the lack of brain to muscle control compared to being sober also makes somebody much stronger physically and being much harder to kill
DJ LSD PHD ... I had the thrill of fighting a PCP addict. He weighed less than me and tossed my brother and I around like we were rag dolls. A neighbor then shot him in the torso with a .357 magnum S&W wheel gun, and he still ran off. The whites of his eyes were darkish yellow. He was found 2 miles away screaming in an alley. Detectives told us he was a known PCP user. Super human strength is REAL.
Patrick S That's the way that I practice. From the draw... Quick double-tap to the heart, one precise shot to the forehead. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. You get the picture. Practice until its second nature, and you feel 100% confident that you can make the shots, to save you, or your loved ones lives. This scenario will likely never come up. But, just because you're carrying a sidearm, doesn't mean that you can be proficient with it, when it counts. Too many people buy, and carry weapons, without ever practicing with them. Don't be that guy. Besides, practicing is loads of fun. Side note... Practice drawing your weapon, from the holster, and carry position that you normally use. Also, if you like to carry with the safety on, practice disengaging that safety as you draw. I've saw several videos where people forget to disengage the safety, in the heat of the moment. You will lose your fine motor skills, in a highly stressful situation. I, personally, prefer guns that can be decocked, or a have a long double action trigger, so I don't have to carry with the safety engaged.
Yea, fuck the head shots. If you can, (and thats a Big if) shoot 10 out of 10 on the range, your accuracy will drop to about 2 out of 10 during a gun fight
Some other things to consider...With the proliferation of effective civilian body armor, the "power" of your cartridge does come into play. Most of the common handgun calibers will not penetrate this body armor effectively, but the more power you deliver to the armor the more damage there will be to the tissue behind it (bruising, broken bones, shock). As you move up the handgun caliber food chain this damage gets worse, and at the higher end usually results in cracked sternums, multiple broken ribs, etc. These may not end the fight but they will definitely slow most "bad guys" down quite a lot. This is also why many people train to target the pelvic region as you mentioned. It is usually not armored and rounds here result in massive bleeding and loss of mobility. Obviously, all this is solved with a headshot but those are difficult to achieve on moving targets for most people and the margin for error is much smaller. The point is, understand what your rounds (and you) are capable of achieving and train to maximize the effectiveness of both. I'd rather get in a gunfight with three gangbangers fielding 45's and target ammunition than a serious cowboy action shooter with a 22LR revolver.
A little reported fact occurring during the battle of Fallujah was that the Iraqi insurgents fought with super human, but stupid bravery. After the battle they found hypodermics on the ground all over town. Turns out the insurgents were shooting up drugs to make them fight bravely, but with the unintended consequence of making them fight so stupidly that they were killed in mass.
@@Chief2Moon phobia = an IRRATIONAL fear of something.. being afraid of Muslims should be the default stance, and is surely not irrational. You sound like an islamophile, a much worse insult than "islamophobe" all things considered
Stopping power for pistols is a matter of disrupting vital organs and the things within bodies that keep it moving. Large arteries and veins, the heart and brain. Any well designed bullet is capable of doing that from .22 cal to 500 s/w. Some just do it a bit better!
Bryan, the why of velocity importance is most easily explained with a little "play" on Einstein....a pea hitting you at 2000 miles an hour will do a LOT more damage than a bowling ball dropping on your foot from the height of your waist, or better known as "as speed increases so does mass (and time slows down)". As for penetration, if a .22 hits and penetrates your eye, all its mass does damage to the brain, while a .38 that hits at some weird angle, bounces off the skull and circles it stopping on the other side (this happened BTW while I was doing security at a hospital) the .22 will kill you while the .38 just makes you WISH you were dead..
Probably one of the best succinct summaries of this subject I've seen. As pointed out, it's comparable to successful real estate transactions: location, location, location. Translated here, it's placement, placement, placement. The caliber is pretty much a secondary consideration (unless it's a 22 short...). But in a stress situation, that's sometimes hard to do.
"you have blood, brain and bone" or lungs. Lungs collapse when they've got holes in them which has a secondary effect of causing the heart to shift into the void of the collapsed lung which immediately impairs circulation and bloodflow. Also when ribs are broken where they both connect to the spine and the sternum you get "flail rib" which is exactly as awful as it sounds, it is where that section of rib pulls in every time you try to inhale and pushes out every time you exhale which can make it impossible to breathe. This is not such an immediate effect as the blood from the functioning lungs is going to keep flowing through the body, it'll be a while before low-oxygen blood starts reaching the brain but it is a profound psychological effect to be unable to breathe, when you "inhale", your chest rises and your diaphram lowers but almost no air is drawn into the mouth. This is not the same as simply holding your breath, this is not like the wet-face reflex where people instinctively hold their breath when submerged in water.
I complete agree, we can also argue that a 22lr will not destroy the bone as easy as the 45, mainly because of the energy behind these calibers. (let´s compare with rocks, a 50 gram rock to your elbow will probably not break it, a 250 gram rock at the same velocity has got many more chances). A 22, 25 acp, 32 acp... they can break bone, they can ricochet inside the body, the can kill, I´m not understimating these cartridges at all, but at the end of the day you need a bullet that can break the bone enough either to destroy disable that limb, or simply penetrate it and hit a vital. On the other hand, I can see many more chances of a small caliber to the lower abdominal area or even the groin, if we talk about the bullet bouncing and destroying the mobility of the threat, and a threat that can´t move can be finished much easier than someone behind cover, concealment, or simply running like crazy. At the end of the day, it´s all about shot placement with a projectile that can actually penetrate the human bones and organs effectively.
agree. kinetic energy is proportional to mass and proportional to the SQUARE of velocity, so at smaller velocities, mass matters more. very high velocity, even a 'small' round has a ton of energy
Most criminals, like any other person, feel pain the same way we (on criminals) do. Pain is pain and does not discriminate. Lol! Yes, there is the criminal, who may be drugged up and may not feel pain the way we (non drugged up law abiding citizens) do. But just because a person is engaged in criminal activity, doesn't make them immune or able to tolerate pain any better than someone who isn't engaged in criminal activities. Most criminals, just like you and me want the same thing. TO GO HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY! It's kind of hard to do that with a gunshot wound! Even a 22lr. No one wants extra holes in them! Not even criminals. (Smile) Bottomline, good shot placement with just about any caliber will be more than enough to deter most unscrupulous persons engaged in criminal activities. Just my opinion. Stay safe and healthy. Peace
+Craig Summers excellent video, recommend that you try the triple tap... when it is up close and personal you're pulling your gun out with one hand. as soon as the pistol clears The holster the barrels pointing down. and then when you fire The Gun Barrel wants to rise. so think about this, first shot pelvis, second shot chest, third shot head, all triple tap with one hand... when you practice this you can do it. EDC 1911A1 45AUTO FMJ ^
this video is a great illustration of why the Mozambique drill is so important to practice. double tap the chest one to the ocular nasal cavity. if you practice that way no matter what gun you're using you're going to put them down. that's why this argument is so stupid because yeah on one on one of 45 might be 9 mm a little bit but you're never only going to fire one shot. and pretty much anybody who's honest is going to realize that if 3 hit with a 9 a bad guys going down
For hitting vital organs, sure, not a huge difference. The larger projectiles are better for the bone-breaking part though -- not all shooters are ex-Delta who hit the head/heart 99% of the time in a fight.
Garrett Butler that is a really good point. and I agree that the larger bullets are better for breaking through bone and barrier. however most new Shooters shoot the 9 mm a little bit better. but I'm with you there
@@johnouellet4099 True again -- the higher capacity modern pistols and how wild high-tech modern loads have gotten are other big reasons 9mm is probably the most popular pistol caliber...
they were smoking opium and they wrapped pig intestines around joints to stop blood loss/bleeding out. which is kind of funny as pigs are unclean to them. also best thhing for center mass is a 12 gauge with buck shot.
Cletus Strouf The drug they used was called "juramentado" and the US troops were indeed issued 12 gauge shotguns but I have to disagree that all "handgun calibers" are equal!
I thought "juramentado" was the name for the guys making the attacks? I dont believe all handgun calibers are equal either... neither do wild hogs. (LOL)
@@matovicmmilan first of all it is spelled hurementado and its not a drug, its a mental state of losing control of yourself, ( mental, physical, moral) going berserk? did I spell that right? lol. and not the name of anybody.
Everything he says here is correct in theory but in real life, thinking and aiming goes out the window and only your training will save you or kill you due to lack of training. And when I say training, I don't just mean aiming well, it's gun fighting tactics that will when the day. Tactics is more important than any other concern such as what caliber or ammo type. Gun fights are almost always fast, close up and personal, so aiming has little or nothing to do with winning, tactics does. Tactics is the ability to size up the situation and somehow get you hand on your gun and pulling that trigger before the other guy sees you have a gun. First place always wins. You need a gun that fits your hand so well that just like pointing your finger, you can point that barrel without aiming, just start putting shots on target with in a 8-10 ft range, without aiming at all. Right from the waist, bullets need to be flying to your target and then raise it up to your eye if shooting is still needed and place some shots to the head. If you think you'll have the time to pull your gun and press it out in front like in the videos, you are going to lose. I've seen people do that because that is how they were taught, trained to hit paper targets at 21 ft. instead of thugs at 4 ft., often more than one thug. So shooting like you are at the gun range is only good at the gun range, in real life and death situations, the shooting is much different. It's not about quick draw, it's about getting your hand on your gun without your target seeing that (tactics) and then quick shooting him before he can react, you need to incapacitate him by shooting him where ever and as much as needed until the threat is down. If your target already has his gun in hand, you need to probably shoot him in the head to stop him quickly, or maybe after a couple of shots to the body, one shot to his gun or hand holding the gun, like the lone ranger used to do, it works well but only if you are close so you can make that shot. That's over thinking a bit but the tactic is to incapacitate asap to save your life, and maybe others. It's the art of war, be deceptive, don't let them know you have a gun until it is firing, that's tactics.
But seriously as far as stopping power. If a man is all jacked up on whatever. 9mm "IS" good for home defense. As in #9or12--9mm comin out of a 12gd WILL STOP THEM. "OOO BUCK" O and that is what the U.S.A. used on that island when the natives got all jacked up. TRUE
the one thing no one talks about and to me is the most important thing and that is the bullet. the bullet does the killing. I have been a bear hunting guide for over 25 years and have had to shoot many many bears with pistols of various calibers. a couple things i've learned is number 1 over penetration will not get you killed under penetration will., number 2 you push a pistol hollow point much over 1100 fps it will not penetrate over 2 inches. an example of this is i was using my .45 super with buffalo bore 200 grain hollow points and had great results i shot one wounded bear at about 5 feet right between the eyes, it penetrated the skull, the length of the neck broke the shoulder and rested just under hide in a perfect mushroom. figured i'd try some 185 xtp from BB doing 1300 fps, next bear i shot 3 times in side and it kept standing back up had to grab a slug gun to end it. bullets expanded too quick and never penetrated thru the fat.
Mostly agree, but they make "soft point" hollow points, "fmj" hollow points, "bonded" hollow points, and solid copper hollow points. You just have to tune the velocity to the expansion you want. I occasionally shoot soft point and lightweight hollow points at 1600fps, and yeah watermelons get 150 feet wide. Major overexpansion. Kind of a "summer" ccw load.
If you’re using BB ammo, why aren’t you using their hard cast flat nose solids. They’re claiming three feet of penetration with some of that stuff and that’s what you’re after. Handgun bullet expansion on a Bear will be a joke. Now, a 45-70, expansion will matter.
It's clear. Anyone that tells you where to aim to stop a threat has NEVER been in a gunfight or had to shoot for your life. In that situation. The last GOD DAMN thing on your mind is shot placement. Your way of thinking literally disappears. You go full Auto Pilot and your Finger and Your Brain are the Only things Working. I KNOW.. now if you are in a situation where you have time to think about shot placement and effectiveness of your Round. then you might be in a situation where the use of that gun is questionable.. You SHOOT until the threat is Stopped. If it's a leg shot that ends the fight. So be it. You don't NEED to follow up with a T-zone shot
Brian, I respect what you are saying... And have experienced adrenaline rush during hectic moments. Though if your mind is in the correct mode you can achieve tunnel vision of your subject. Practice makes perfect.
short barrel 12 gauge shot gun with #4 or larger buckshot delivers 5 times as much damage as a .45 ACP round with the same number of trigger pulls. nobody walks through it, and you really can't miss.
Tim Hallas actually my everyday carry is a fully-automatic viking battle-axe with an 30 blade high capacity double magazine-clip. You pull that out of your jacket and the thieves just run...
I mean you really could miss but if you don’t the bad guy is fucked. I keep a mix of 00 and #4 buck in my shotgun for home defense and at 9 yards which is the longest shot in my home my #4 buck patterns all 21 pellets within a chest sized target,my 00 opens up to about a large hand,at 9 ft both loads are barely exiting the wad.
Good job. This would stir up some far left democrats....Some democrats though who grew up on farms, in military families, from small towns, or have a familiarity with firearms are normal&level headed on the subject of guns. They aren't the problem, it's the ones who have a fear of guns& no knowledge about them,those who somehow think disarming or restricting the lawabiding will get rid of gun crimes&criminals....those kind of democrats are the problem.
You can say the same of ANY person regardless of your political labelling. There are plenty of people on all points of the political spectrum who lack knowledge, education, or experience with firearms. Even worse are those who think they "know" what they're talking about, but crumble under duress. It's about effectively learning the theory and science, not what your political leanings might be.
Eric Redbear My point was- that one party was less likely in general to look favorably on this video, but that there are exceptions in any "group". The question of firearm knowledge is also likely consistent with a similar regularity I'd expect.
A pro shooter from Canada carried a .45acp pistol shooting hollow points. He said shoot the attacker in the belt-buckle first because they would believe you were trying to remove their genitals & it's very vascular. & the pelvic area will be disabled. Then its pretty easy to make a head shot that stops everything. Remember, your pistol should be used to get to the long gun.
Absolutely. The only thing I would add is front sight focus. In the real world, everything above .38 special and below .44 mag seem to perform almost identically and even then, smaller calibers have stopped fights immediately and magnum calibers have failed. With that in mind, my own personal philosophy has always been; Squeeze the trigger until it drops.
Correct and even larger calibers in situations of stress can miss the mark and do nothing more than shallow wounds. Shot placement is king but people seem to forget that in a stressful situation your shot placement goes way south unless your continuously training.
I hate to say this but ,In 2004 in Iraq, I shot a guy 2 times in center mass, he dropped at first, I thought he was dead and egaged another Target, I looked over and saw him stand up, and run 20 yards behind a building. So yeah when adrenaline gets going people become super human.
In my one and only "gunfight" I was dragged from my car by the ringleader of a group of 5 lowlifes...As he was pulling me from my car, I slid my revolver from under the seat, and when he spun me around by my left arm I stuck the gunbarrel into the center of his gut and thumbed back the hammer...The sound attracted his attention, he looked down and froze...There was a moment of sheer terror, but not mine. I backed him up about 3 feet, then raised my gun up so the rest could see it, and yelled "spread out"...They complied...QUICKLY...During the whole incident, from the time I told my wife to leave the club, while I played rear guard at the door, to the time I was dragged from the car, I was playing out the scenario in my head and knew exactly how it would play out. I had no fear whatsoever...I live by a credo...Push me, I'll leave, chase me I'll run, catch me, I'll shoot you....That time it was not necessary...
Also ,several years ago , in Milwaukee , I was talking to an officer who had recently turned in the 9mm , that they were given , to a .45 , reason being , she said she emptied her gun ('13 rounds , I believe ) into a guy , barely slowed him down , it wasn't until she clocked him in the side of the head , that he went down " and died " he had a cocktail of meth,Coke and bath salts in his system .not sure exactly what bath salts does , but , she said is eyes where wide open , but , nobody was home .
Guy Brooks nasty stuff. Unfortunately in that situation, even a fifty cal probably wouldn't stop him. In Somali, they would get all hopped up on cot. You could put five or six rounds of 5.56, center mass and they would hardly flinch. That's why Remington developed the 6.8 and rushed rifles & ammo to "frontline" units. Now that knocked their dicks in the dirt.
Tim Hallas: There are plenty of stories of guys all drugged up, soaking up over a dozen hits from handguns, having to be taken down with shotguns. It happens.
@@timhallas4275 not bullshit my friend , FACT , it happens , ALOT , that's just one of the reasons most cops carry .40 ,.45 Cal. , More stopping power , and Lessons chance of s'one else getting shot AFTER it went thru it's intended target , this officer had a few extra .... challenges . she was female , a very attractive female @ that , she trained,practiced more , was better than 40% of the blue swing'n dicks in class , she was a very good shot , and dude was , but 40' away .
The Moro Rebels were on heavy duty massive intensive psychedelics and then would do a war dance to get them psyched out and thats what would cause them not to feel any pain and feel no fear. The Nazi's were on Meth as well as the Japanese in WW2 that made them very aggressive fighters.
The one called center mass is a fast incapacitation area, is very informative but most of the time bad guys are not standing in front of you showing they chest. Crime happen so fast and by surprise. Example: the results if the guy is robbing you and pointing you with a gun, you know he is armed and he say to you "dont look at me" if you draw and shoot to him is a complete gamble, walk away alive is a gamble and bullet placement even a biggest gamble. Like this is dozens of similar scenarios. The best is avoid be a victim and expose yourself to unnecessary risks, always keep your mind ready and already know what to do in different scenarios.
if you're walking down the street, into a store, etc and have a free hand, imo just have your weapon in your hand. first off, no one will fuck with you (probably) second off it significantly reduces your reaction time
A “bad guys” anatomy is the same as a “good guys” all of our pain tolerances are fairly similar. Yes if a person is on certain narcotics they might feel less pain. Most of the time the reason a “bad guy” would feel less pain is because of adrenaline not just because they are a “bad guy”
As soon as his comment as to "bad guys will have greater pain tolerance" I found myself disagreeing with nearly all of his facts. This lets everyone know that he has lived a life sheltered from "bad guys" and likely no personal experience with his enemy. Wait I thought I was watching this for trajectory and knockdown Myth/Myths? Didn't seem to establish a common belief I share?
Greetings Mr. Summers. 😀 Having a medical background, I'd like to add something to your list of important goodies. Another great potential thing to stop the fight would be the loss of air. If one was to shoot another in the center mass area, one might hit the lungs...causing a pneumo thorax (collapsed lung). That'd definitely take the wind out of the bad guys sails! Lol! 😉 Hope you have a great day and a great start to the new year. God bless.👍
Three things you can’t postpone without dire consequences: Calling a Doctor when gutshot. Finding a toilet when traveling in India. Paying your people. Ain’t no one gonna stay in a fight when gutshot.
The biggest thing I think that you forgot is threat fixation. This comes from actual data and from personal experience. Fixation on the hazard. The bad guys not the hazard is what's in the bad guy's hand if the hazard if you look at most shootings and in most training scenarios people shoot the threat, the gun is the threat, the knife is the threat, the box cutter is the threat and that's where the shots begin to migrate to. Yes the threat is in their hands but that person the bad guy is controlling that item so don't focus on what's in their hand. Focus on the individual and put the shot placement as you said.
i remember hearing that too. police data apparently shows a large percentage of wounds to hands and i get why. good point. it's like a driver reacting to a sudden roadside hazard by panicking and looking at it, which is a natural instinct, we want to see the threat and assess it, instead of looking for the opening where they want to go and going there. while there is no substitute for training i feel like simply by consciously thinking about this beforehand, hopefully it will help us avoid those mistakes if it ever came down to it.
This goes hand in hand with what I believe the problem with anti-gunners is: it’s NOT the gun they don’t trust, it’s the PEOPLE. Also related to your absolutely correct statement is the old, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” Both are correct. It’s not the ITEM, it’s the PERSON using it that makes it deadly.
No matter the supposed "pain tolerance" as you describe it, you are trained to shoot centre mass as if you hit the heart you will put someone down regardless of what they have in there system. It has nothing to do with calibre as if I hit the heart with a 22 they will drop, if I hit the lung with a 45 they will keep coming. Head shots are for the movies the head is much to small a target if you are stressed, not trying to disrespect you but there is only one option aim centre mass and keep firing till the threat is resolved. Just simple military training.
Well your talking about the ideal. I would say most all people who use a handgun to defend themselves including the conceal carry have not attended even one professional quality training session like Front Site and others. They may send a few rounds down range a year, and never practice drawing and engaging in practice. Sooooooo most all will be scared out of their minds and shooting in the general directions. Even cops are some of the worse shots.
This video should be called "Make every shot a kill shot." I actually need a citation that says criminals feel no pain. Yeah. Some drugs dull pain, but basic criminal activity. Hmm, Prove that.
That's right about where I stopped watching. The myth of the bad guy "hopped up on drugs" is just that, a myth. No drug out there makes a person bullet proof, or makes them live through shots that would kill anybody else. Go to any hospital, rehab, etc. Drug addicts are about the most unhealthy humans you will ever see. If anything, they are far less likely to survive being shot. Also, even if they aren't on drugs, being a criminal doesn't give people some magical power that makes them more resistant to pain. Shooting center mass works because it is the area of the body that contains the organs, arteries, and veins that when hit by pieces of lead traveling at 1,000 ft. per second, are most likely to cause death, or incapacitation.
And I'm from the school of bigger calibers take less follow-up shots. Of the Colt .45 for example ol' Elmer Keith said it would only take one and then after that you will have to look for another target.
colonelJim My dad used to say "if you can hit where you aim it doesn't matter what claiber you use and if you can't hit where you aim..well, it doesn't matter what caliber you use.
FMJ for CARRY? Heaven forbid! The MOST over-pentrative bullet design, regardless of caliber! WHY? Do you have millions to spare that the jury in your civil trial will award when your round renders a perforating wound (through-and-through) and goes screaming down range looking for a mini-van full of nuns or an elementary school bus full of children to hit? PLEASE re-think yojr choice! In .45ACP in my 1911s, I carry 165gr or 185gr JHPs at +P power levels. In 9mm, it's ALWAYS Federal's 115gr JHP +P+ load they call the 9BPLE load. Old school, develops in excess of 440 lb/ft of energy; that gave us low .357 magnum ballistics in our Glocks at the Border-in a gun that has 3 times the capacity of our old revolvers, and could be reloaded MUCH faster as well. Hammer 42+year Firearms Instructor USAF SSgt; US Army CW4/SrAviator; INS/ICE/CBP, ret.
We did failure drills (failure to stop) Marine Basic. The idea was, you do two immediate shots to the chest, and than one shot either the head (t-box) or one to the groin. The instructors advised us to go for the groin shot in the drill because it's an easier target. Something tells me that a 62 grain ball round smashing into your pelvis at over 2400 fps would put you on your ass (what's left of it). My question is, is a pistol caliber really enough to do that sort of damage. I'd say no. I'd say just putting as many rounds in the chest as it takes to put them on the ground is what you want to do in the moment, whether its one shot or ten.
Don’t mean to correct you but the Colt New Service was chambered in the 45 LC and was used by Canada and the early part of WW 1 and John Browning designed the 1911 which was carried in WW2 - Korea- and Vietnam with the 45 ACP which was the round the Thompson Sub machine gun used. All that being said the Gatling gun fired the 45-70
Please allow me to explain further. If somebody's coming at you you shoot at the chest first if he still comes at you you shoot at the hips if he's still coming then and only then you go for the head. if you put one bullet in somebody's head during a stressful situation you're shooting would be questionable and possibly subject to the law because it will look like a plan shooting. Furthermore the projectile will exit the head and just may hit somebody else. that's why the head is always the last alternative.
As far as the size of holes made in people by different calibers FBI testing revealed that due to low velocities, ALL handgun calibers leave holes in people that are smaller than their bullet diameters. Low velocity allows tissue elasticity and rebound to come into play, and the tissues close slightly after the bullets pass through. So the difference in hole size between a .380 and a .45 isn't great. It takes speeds upward of 2,200 fps (i.e., a rifle round) to leave a hole the same diameter as the round. For handguns, shot placement is more important than caliber.
i have been a conceal carrier for over 30 yrs, never had a problem. I now carry the Sig P238 with +P. But always wondered if: 1. Would I be able to draw my gun in time 2. Would i be able to use 2 hands or just one 3. In the excitement and fear, can i hit the offender in a significant spot or if at all. 4. Is the .380 that i usually carry enough 5. And last, when is the appropiate time to draw my gun before the assault happens I just hope It never happens
.380 is great if the other option is, say, a sharpened stick. But a sharpened stick is better than a fist. A fist is better than praying(or just praying).
I don’t feel underarmed with a 380, because most people, most of the time run around their daily lives totally unarmed and unaware. Having a 380 is having more gun than 99.9% of the people ever have.
The recounting of the episode of the Philippine campaign and Moro soldiers is real. However, Mr. Summers omitted the last chapter of that story, which is detrimental to his thesis. When the .38 Long Colt round (the predecessor of the .38 Special round) was found ineffective, old, second line revolvers were issued. The earlier 1873 Colt SAA and the S&W Schofield .45 cartridge. Both replacements gave superior results in combat to the .38 Long Colt, from that the .45 ACP cartridge and pistol to fire it came. Stopping Power. The biggest myth regarding such is the concept. Stopping power is NOT a magical or mystical ability to cause instant total immobility in the recipient. It is the ability to render an attacker unable to carry on in attack. It does not include knocking the attacker off his (her?) feet. It is simply the likelihood of ending the attack. All handgun rounds have a degree of this capability from insignificant to very significant. Nothing is absolutely certain. No serious student of personal defense claims so. The quest is to determine what round will effect this cessation of hostility fastest. It is predicated on serious body hits; no one claims that a leg flesh wound will always 'stop' an attack. This video is dedicated to what is known in logic as a 'straw-man' fallacy. It is dealing with the false claims not made by serious proponents.
Warriors also don’t react to pain the way “normal” people do. As an example Sheriff Grady Judd recently told of a officer who was shot in the foot, breaking two bones, chasing down the man that shot him and winning the gun fight. I cracked my thighbone and got back up and continued bucking hay. I later served 23 years in the military. The first elected senator from Hawaii was injured multiple times on his last day of combat, winning his last fight after his arm was blown off. Rodger Young, and the list goes on. All that said, 5 years ago I was faced with a possible kidnapping, I was 3rd party, and felt that the only “stop shot” I could safely make was to the pelvis. Fortunately the woman didn’t try to leave with the infant so I didn’t need to take action. Therefore I do agree with the selection of target he describes.
Druggies looking to support their habit are in your house stealing your shit because they are OUT OF DRUGS, not because they are on them at the time! Sure, adrenaline is a factor, but it isn't going to just straight up make you invulnerable. Shoot as many rounds as you can, as accurately as you can, as quickly as you can. "Stopping power" is secondary to all of that.
In a serious gunfight you will discover that whatever you have AIN'T ENOUGH!!! when the bullets start flyin your direction. That said, the lower torso shot will take a bad guy off his feet. The true quick stops are to the brain or nervous system. I have seen instant one shot stops that struck the heart.Then there is always the outlier, a combatant who is fatally hit and goes on to absorb multiple GSW,s before they drop. Almost any bullet can stop a human, but marksmanship is the key. Take it from a lucky SOB who has got his ass shot off more than once.
Man! This killing guys thing, you've put alot of thought into this......I'm 60 years old and have never had a reason to point a gun at anyone......I have been shot but that's another story...
I’m 32 I’ve been carrying daily for a little over 11 years I’ve had to draw my weapon twice never had to fire.I live in Phoenix Arizona which is pretty violent and known for both our criminals and good guys having guns, I had a armed intoxicated disgruntled associate come to my family home one night banging on the door refusing to get off my property even walking into my backyard through my side gates all with a gun in his hand I ended up drawing on him until the police arrived. I had a situation last month while walking down the street a random person pulled up next to me screaming at me saying “you fucked with the wrong person you wanna fight mf” I shook my head no and continued walking the person pulled up to me again almost hitting me with their car and exited their vehicle with a wooden axe handle while screaming “you better run bitch “ I had a busy 5 lane road behind me so nowhere to run so I drew my pistol keeping it to my side he saw it and stopped,I had never seen this person before and did nothing to them completely random thank God I didn’t have to shoot because the guy was at most 9ft away from me and I train rigorously if he would have continued coming at me I was going to start firing and it wouldn’t have been good for him,arizona laws saw you can draw your firearm at the threat of physical injury and even tho I always carry a knife I wouldn’t have wanted to knife fight a guy with an axe handle
CENTER MASS. original PPC/B27 target has a 5x ring for scoring. that 5x is in the center, aiming at the 5x gives the shooter more room to miss and still keep projectile in the body and less likely to miss completely and hit a by stander. VTAC is probably he best trg going. I wish it in photo w/hidden zones.
You should explain several other points that would/should be known, #1 would be blood loss however someone can still possibly function for 5-10 secs so you would need numerous shots to create more blood loss quicker, Bullets would need to make permanent wound cavities to allow this. sooner than later, head shots were made popular called the Mozambique Drill which requires accuracy and with a pistol closer distance, however if the attacker is moving towards you ar a quick pace the head will also be moving making an accurate T box shot a little more difficult again depending on your ability. As far as bone you show the Pelvic girdle which breaking of the hip or pelvic area would immobilize him. You may also need numerous shots to accomplish this UNTIL the Threat has stopped. Your water jug example was interesting as I shoot center chest for blood and air loss before I'd shoot him in the leg or knees if the threat is true and imminent. Bullet placement is most important.
The reason for center mass is that the majority of people have never shot at another person . When it happens all that know goes out the fucking window ! Muscle memory and reflex are all you have left , so my advice is empty your weapon into their " center mass " . Have you ever shot anyone ? The aftermath can be devastating , not for the intruder but for the victim ( home owner , etc ) . Our laws are pretty fucked up , someone can break into your house in the middle of the night and you are expected to try and identify a weapon before you shoot , yeah right . In the time it takes a groggy person to figure that out they'll be dead or unconscious . For me any individual breaking into my house will be dealt with extreme prejudice , no warning , no lights no hesitation ! We must preserve our 2nd amendment rights . WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE !
As a Vietnam Vet, a retired Police Officer, and a NRA Certified Police/Civilian Firearms Instructor, we teach people to shoot center mass for several reasons. One is that most people(that includes police/military/civilian) are not expert marksman and center mass is easier to aim at and hit. Especially in stress situations. In law enforcement/military double tap is the rule, one to CM, 2nd to head. Your statement that pistol rounds have no stopping power per se is not true. A .45 to the chest carries more energy than a 9mm(ex: suspect shot 11 times with a 9mm), precisely why police went to .40 cal. Even SEALs went back to .45acp. Why? Stopping power.
In answer to the recent post, most military went to 9mm due to NATO requirements, also more ammo can be carried, more clips, less recoil, same reason they went to the 5.56(.223) NATO rules of engagement, firearms that can be carried etc. Police aren't hampered by those rules. Check it out.
The face is actually full bone, not soft tissue. Please take an anatomy course. pelvic girdle is actually the pelvic area. The thigh groin area is a great shot placement: two major arteries the femoral. Extreme fast blood loss and very painful. Great shot if your adversary is wearing body armor. Not to mention the BG won't be able to support itself.
The last thing to do is shoot "Center of mass". Only police and soldiers are taught this. But hunters, NEVER!!!! Facing someone you can hit either lung, or the heart, but not all three! If he is sideways you can hit both lungs and the heart with one bullet. That is an instant kill shot. That is why you try to get a deer or a bear in profile. Humans are the same!!! Face on, you have to hit the throat or the head or take out a hip joint for an instant stop. The hip shot is extremely deadly. He hits the ground instantly and the pain is so excruciating there is no farther fight. This cuts the Femal artery and the most he will do is scream the 60 seconds it takes him to bleed out. There is no surviving a hip shot!!!! If you were standing in the Emergency Room you would still die in 60 seconds!!!!
Your statement about adrenaline and heart rate causing a loss in accuracy is correct, however, that can be corrected with training. Timed drills can help a person learn to stay calm and put the shots on target. I acknowledge that when it’s a real life or death situation, the body will react differently than timed drills on the range, but the times drills can help you learn to stay calm under pressure, which will help you improve your accuracy under stress.
I think I have seen this dead horse beaten as much if not more than any discussion I have ever come across on TH-cam. Yes handgun shots to the pelvic region pokes holes and no handgun shots are not likely to shatter bone. Yes, handgun shots may not be the best to do pelvic shots with but, no it's not impossible to incapacitate a bad guy with pelvic region shots with a handgun. To create the situation of blood loss due to handgun shots in the pelvic region requires some very precise shot placement and to hit the major arteries there relies mostly on pure unmitigated luck. So, the best chance for creating an instantaneous cessation of forward movement there is only one zone that will do the job and that is the fatal T zone and even that zone requires some very good self control with fairly precise shot placement. However, IF we have practiced and mastered (as much as humanly possible) stress fire, a double tap or a series of double taps from the Adams Apple area to the point slightly above the brow ridge WILL stop all forward motion. These shots, with the exception of the area above the brow ridge may NOT cause instant termination, they WILL stop the bad guy from continuing on toward you. So, the point here is; Never never never take one person's word on what will or won't work in any given situation. The one thing I have mentioned here that WILL stop all forward motion even among those who are hopped up on some mind altering drug is, the shots that contact directly the spinal column or the brain.
This is real nasty stuff. Center mass is best. So much damage can be done from the heart, lungs and spine. Seen a lot of guys shot in the chest and paralyzed for life.
So what is the percentage of superhuman feel no pain mega soldier bad guys killed in the US hand gun deaths stats? I'm not in a was zone but have always been trained to eliminate the threat. So when you tell the court that you deliberately brain shot the victim because he was a no pain feeling superhuman bad guy showing your premeditation to kill them. ? Center of seen mass yes of course, stating intention to kill just stupid...and to all of you who want to comment please do ..there are those that are in combat and justified and then there are the dangerous pretenders. ..
How can you say they will feel less pain? Where is your empirical evidence? In reality, you simply cannot know that and to state it as a fact is inaccurate. While most of this video has some useful info, the initial premise is misleading, and may be, in fact, entirely wrong.
I almost turned it off at the "most bad guys..." part. What a nonsensical generalization. Show me any statistics demonstrating that your average "bad guy" is any more resistant to shock trauma from a non lethal gun shot than the average good guy. People throw that around all the time with no basis other than conjecture. Show some stats or quit trying to win arguments with this.
Hallucinogens do not dull pain. If anything, they enhance pain. The drugs you are referring to would be sensation deadening drugs such as heroin or morphine.
@@wellingtonrodrigues7654 : If possible, aim/shoot at the side of the neck (jugular vein) - even if they're wearing body armour - once that area is hit, enemy is down and highly likely they won't survive.
Thank you! I used these areas to shoot and got reemed by the instructor. Her point was hit the x. I walked her through the hits and why I used them. Her response, oh! If I must shoot to defend I want to ensure I have stopped you.
Situational Awareness is even More IMPORTANT than what you're carrying. If you keep your head in your surroundings and Don't draw attention, the chances of being attacked are less. And if you do get targeted as a victim, if you see it coming because you were paying attention instead of having your head buried in your phone, it will give you more time to execute a preemptive attack. Stay Vigilant, and Stay Alive. 👍
I used to teach people to shoot at the 3rd shirt button and was laughed at. Of course those that were laughing did not have a better plan.
They were nervously laughing because their imagined attacker had turned the tide with a turtleneck pullover shirt. No buttons to aim for... D:
On a serious note, your advice is what I have heard since I was young. 3rd button down might just do it. Thanks for sharing!
Depends on shirt button spacing
Most body armor does not cover the lower pelvic region. There are two femoral arteries and two femoral veins, fed by the lower aorta and the inferior vena cava. Huge blood vessels, you could bleed out in 2-3 min with a direct injury to any of them.
@@racekar80 the good ol pelvic double tap, one in each ass cheek from the front. If done properly will cripple or cause massive bleed out.
John W Hardin always went for the head.
Zip them up. Aim for the pelvic girdle and let the recoil drive your shots up.
This guy gets it.
Some instructors train to instead of waiting till you are aligned for center mass or a head shot they instead want you to start firing almost as soon as you get sights on the target at all because they would argue nobody likes getting shot even if it’s in the leg and usually the 1st person to get hits on target wins
Stay on target and let them fall through your line of fire.
My Target is anywhere on their Spinal Column...
This is excellent I've never thought of it this way...
My 2cents...you are usually the second person to know that you are in a gunfight.
Comanche that is why a person must stay alert, don’t go to bad areas unless you absolutely have to, present a hard target, withdraw if you see something unfolding, and fight if you must. And don’t waste time wondering WHY you have been targeted but serve it up to them with gusto!
I preach situational awareness... If you have a gun or no, knowing if there is a threat coming is half the battle. That means, head on a swivel, not down on your damn phone.
mskiUSMC there are those that understand what we've been through, preach wtf you want SA is a given all the fucking time. My shitholes are solo no squad w you or QRF in the future even when you know shit will hit the fan your on your last nerve civilian shit in Manila or Anbar on Saturday nights et al.
and you have the rest of your life to react
Good way of putting it.
The best gun for self protection is the one you have w/you !!!!
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The best gun for self protection is the one you can find ammo for.
That's right but make sure it's a good one not junk
I have been a forensic psych for going on 20 years. I have interviewed, no exaggeration, thousands of people involved in gun fights. This is a situation where I kept saying I will do this job for one more year. The next year it was one more year. As a result I never kept any official stats so I have nothing solid to present but a few things do stand out in my mind.
First, reloading during a gunfight is rare. It does happen but the majority of gunfights on the streets are a fairly quick exchange and it's over one way or another.
Secondly, assuming .38 or 9mm and larger, the cal is secondary. As far as handguns go, nothing really stands out to me as superior.
No doubt, a .45 has more energy and in some cases, that extra energy will make a difference but it doesn't seem to pass a threshold where that difference is notable.
I saw one case where a guy got shot in the gut with a .45. He fell to the floor, rolled around crying for a min, then realized he wasn't incapacitated and got up and ran off. A few moments later he realized he was going to need an ER so he sat down and waited for the police.
I have seen more cases where the number of rounds is more important than the cal.
I am just one of many opinions out there but I carry a high capacity 9mm. My reason being, having more rounds in a brief fight is more important than having bigger rounds. I am also a thin woman with little girly wrists and I can shoot a full sized 9mm faster.
Any noticable experiences with the more unusual sides of the spectrum like .410 shotshell out of a derringer or the small caliber guns like 22 LR?
@@mrd7067 Good question!
During my 30 year career I was involved in three gunfights, only one of which I had to reload my revolver under fire. My take away from all these experiences is quick accuracy, shot placement, is far more important than caliber. We were issued .38 revolvers which were reputed to be underpowered but my experiences were quite the opposite.
shananagans5 English writing 101 might help, honey.
@@ProfessorBulletMG She writes better than you, Dan.
One thing I would add about the pelvic girdle is that it is the support structure for the body. If you break the bones in the pelvic girdle the target can not stand. High or not, pain tolerance or not, the support structure is broken so they are mechanically unable to stand.
Steven Dwyer
Good point.
I did see a video where a criminal was shot in the pelvic region and though he could not stand he continued to shoot many rounds lying on his side....
Humans can be tough critters to be sure...
Where I live shooting a criminal laying on the ground is against the law unless you can prove the criminal is still a threat. I personally will worry about that later.
Wasn't that technique taught to the NYPD "special" vice squads, by a champion shooter back in the 1970's?
Steven Dwyer
Yes Pelvic Girdle, It Absolutely will STOP a CRAZY Criminal and CRAZY is hard to stop. 12 gauge blast to the groin, or upper groin area should take care of the Pelvic Girdle and some other benefits, such as very large Arteries in the area, plus some Organs that don't like getting shot.
Regarding pain. A crack, pcp, or meth head got on the luggage roof- rack of my friends car.
No verbal or physical persuasion would get him off the roof. My friend just got in his car and carrying the doper on the roof all the way, drove to the local police station. It took 4 officers to peel the guy's hands off the rack.
Just a bit of a correction; US Army never used the .45ACP round during the Philippine Insurrection. It's true that they decided the .38 Long Colt was not getting the job done, so the Army reissued old reworked Colt Single Action Army six shooters. These pistols were in .45Long Colt and were much appreciated by the troops in the Philippines. Years later when the Army decided to modernize and adopt a semiautomatic pistol, most offerings were 9mm's or .38's. However, the Army said they would only consider a new pistol in .45 or larger. Colt redesigned its .38acp pistol to take a new .45acp cartridge, and the 1911 was born.
This sounds accurate according to what I've read.
Thank you for the education, Gunnery Sergeant.
This event also eventually brought about the replacing of the .38LC with the S&W .38 Special.
Bingo
While they were undoubtedly chambered in .45 Colt (not "Long Colt") they weren't necessarily issued .45 Colt ammunition due to an ongoing supply problem in the US army where they had both .45 Colt revolvers and .45 Schofield revolvers and different ammunition for each. There were continual problems of ammunition being issued to the wrong guns.
It was decided to only issue the Colt revolver and only procure the Schofield ammunition as the Colt revolver could use any of the ammunition in the supply chain and the .45 Schofield ammunition being added to the supply chain could be used in either revolver including any Schofield revolvers still in use. Schofield revolvers stuck around as since there was less and less .45 Colt ammunition available it's not like you got a more powerful revolver and the Schofield was quicker to reload: you could eject all spent rounds at once then load 2 rounds at a time.
Which is why the .45ACP replicated the ballistics of .45 Schofield, not the heavier and faster bullet of .45 Colt.
What about aiming for the neck?
1) there's a ton of vitals there
2) being too high gets the head
3) being too low gets the center mass
4) being low left or right can get the clavicle and the artery
PS: yes, center mass and head will still be preferable targets, but compared to the stomach and hips, I rather think of the neck first.
The margin of error is too small. You also have to remember that there might be people behind the person you are shooting. If you dont hit the target, those bullets are going somewhere. You want the bad guy to be the back stop and all rounds to go in to him. I like where your head is at though
My theory is start at the bellybutton and work your way up.
The neck is something you MIGHT hit if your shot at center mass is too high, but I would still aim right about where he drew the big dot, or, slightly below center point between the shoulders
Look at the target again...
A little left or right, and you're in the black (complete miss).
@@fin_jan Don't forget about lungs and arteries. Can't run without 'em.
6th option run like hell. Well done.
In the context of SD shootings, "stopping power" simply means that after being shot, the threat stops being a threat. Whether they dropped dead, were physically incapacitated or simply surrendered. Regardless of which one it is, the round "stopped" the threat. In self defense, that's the goal.
True regarding what "stopped" means in a self-defensive shooting scenario, specops56. Good points. The only things I can think of to add to that are these: one should not immediately assume a homicidal attacker is "stopped"/ "incapacitated" just because he or she has fallen to the ground, for while there is any possibility of consciousness or regaining consciousness there, there is also the possibility of reemergence of aggression; furthermore, relatedly, if the weapon of the enemy is still within reach of the enemy's grasped, it should be considered as still having potential of being retrieved to be used against the self-defender. So watchfulness is still essential, if, for whatever real reason, the self-defender must remain in the actual location of the attack & the self-defender should not reholster if necessarily still at the scene, at least not until law enforcement arives & takes over the situation (stay on phone with the 911 dispatcher, of course, to continue to communicate that you are the victim, your description, your actual & -- if present -- loved one's actual location(s) within the area as well the actual location of the perpetrator(s) within the area, &, highly important, that you are yet armed & intend to be armed until the police enter & take charge of the threat(s)). The best thing, most likely, if loved ones are able to be in tow & not be left behind, is to vacate the scene of the incident while in contact with 911 or to contact 911 afterwards to tell the self-defensive side of the story & direct the first responders back to the scene of the attack.
Agreed 100%. This is why I've taught my wife to keep shooting the threat until it stops being a threat no matter how many rounds that takes. I've also taught her to describe herself and clothing and ask the 911 dispatcher to send EMTs for the attacker.
I hear you, specops56! Good call & good info, man! Thanks for sharing! ☺👍
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1:10 PCP would probably be one of the main hallucinogenic type drugs that can make somebody extremely hard to kill. It has anesthetic properties so it can entirely kill pain and the lack of brain to muscle control compared to being sober also makes somebody much stronger physically and being much harder to kill
DJ LSD PHD ... I had the thrill of fighting a PCP addict. He weighed less than me and tossed my brother and I around like we were rag dolls. A neighbor then shot him in the torso with a .357 magnum S&W wheel gun, and he still ran off. The whites of his eyes were darkish yellow. He was found 2 miles away screaming in an alley. Detectives told us he was a known PCP user. Super human strength is REAL.
Two in the body and one in the head; as for shot placement, good luck with that when the adrenalin is flowing.
Patrick S That's the way that I practice. From the draw... Quick double-tap to the heart, one precise shot to the forehead. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. You get the picture. Practice until its second nature, and you feel 100% confident that you can make the shots, to save you, or your loved ones lives. This scenario will likely never come up. But, just because you're carrying a sidearm, doesn't mean that you can be proficient with it, when it counts. Too many people buy, and carry weapons, without ever practicing with them. Don't be that guy. Besides, practicing is loads of fun. Side note... Practice drawing your weapon, from the holster, and carry position that you normally use. Also, if you like to carry with the safety on, practice disengaging that safety as you draw. I've saw several videos where people forget to disengage the safety, in the heat of the moment. You will lose your fine motor skills, in a highly stressful situation. I, personally, prefer guns that can be decocked, or a have a long double action trigger, so I don't have to carry with the safety engaged.
Yea, fuck the head shots. If you can, (and thats a Big if) shoot 10 out of 10 on the range, your accuracy will drop to about 2 out of 10 during a gun fight
Kicking , punching , dowsing with lighter fluid and wrapping shovels around heads is also allowed should the occasion arise.
Once in the pink and twice in the stink!
Excellent video! No need to have an ambulance for dead bad guys. Center mass shots at the 3rd button has to be the best point of aim.
yeah they don't say to shoot center mass because it's the "best" they say to because it's the biggest target lol
Some other things to consider...With the proliferation of effective civilian body armor, the "power" of your cartridge does come into play. Most of the common handgun calibers will not penetrate this body armor effectively, but the more power you deliver to the armor the more damage there will be to the tissue behind it (bruising, broken bones, shock). As you move up the handgun caliber food chain this damage gets worse, and at the higher end usually results in cracked sternums, multiple broken ribs, etc. These may not end the fight but they will definitely slow most "bad guys" down quite a lot. This is also why many people train to target the pelvic region as you mentioned. It is usually not armored and rounds here result in massive bleeding and loss of mobility. Obviously, all this is solved with a headshot but those are difficult to achieve on moving targets for most people and the margin for error is much smaller. The point is, understand what your rounds (and you) are capable of achieving and train to maximize the effectiveness of both. I'd rather get in a gunfight with three gangbangers fielding 45's and target ammunition than a serious cowboy action shooter with a 22LR revolver.
A little reported fact occurring during the battle of Fallujah was that the Iraqi insurgents fought with super human, but stupid bravery. After the battle they found hypodermics on the ground all over town. Turns out the insurgents were shooting up drugs to make them fight bravely, but with the unintended consequence of making them fight so stupidly that they were killed in mass.
They are muslims ... stupidity comes with the territory.
Before anything else this is my wife's profile. I was there and dont remember anything about them being on drugs.
@@maxzorin9425 And the way you jump to the defense of admitted Muslims makes me wonder if you're an Islamophile globalist sheeple, btw
jhanks2012 You sound like an Islamophobe, ..afraid of a religious group you don't really understand. It's your right, but not much to brag about.
@@Chief2Moon phobia = an IRRATIONAL fear of something.. being afraid of Muslims should be the default stance, and is surely not irrational. You sound like an islamophile, a much worse insult than "islamophobe" all things considered
Stopping power for pistols is a matter of disrupting vital organs and the things within bodies that keep it moving. Large arteries and veins, the heart and brain. Any well designed bullet is capable of doing that from .22 cal to 500 s/w. Some just do it a bit better!
Yep
I like how the forehead is excluded from the box:
"Shoot'em in the FACE!!" ~Bill Burr~
Bryan, the why of velocity importance is most easily explained with a little "play" on Einstein....a pea hitting you at 2000 miles an hour will do a LOT more damage than a bowling ball dropping on your foot from the height of your waist, or better known as "as speed increases so does mass (and time slows down)". As for penetration, if a .22 hits and penetrates your eye, all its mass does damage to the brain, while a .38 that hits at some weird angle, bounces off the skull and circles it stopping on the other side (this happened BTW while I was doing security at a hospital) the .22 will kill you while the .38 just makes you WISH you were dead..
Probably one of the best succinct summaries of this subject I've seen. As pointed out, it's comparable to successful real estate transactions: location, location, location. Translated here, it's placement, placement, placement. The caliber is pretty much a secondary consideration (unless it's a 22 short...). But in a stress situation, that's sometimes hard to do.
It was not a myth when the military tried out various calibers for a sidearm on live cattle in 1904. That was when the .45 won.
MORO fighters wrapped themselves in bindings of various materials [cordage, cloth, bamboo] which was essentially body armor.
YES! An often totally ignored fact. Thanks for the reminder.
For swords and spears, not for guns.
@@timtemple5218 the issue is that the binding of body parts slowed down blood loss. It was not armor, they were essentially partial torniquets.
"you have blood, brain and bone" or lungs. Lungs collapse when they've got holes in them which has a secondary effect of causing the heart to shift into the void of the collapsed lung which immediately impairs circulation and bloodflow. Also when ribs are broken where they both connect to the spine and the sternum you get "flail rib" which is exactly as awful as it sounds, it is where that section of rib pulls in every time you try to inhale and pushes out every time you exhale which can make it impossible to breathe.
This is not such an immediate effect as the blood from the functioning lungs is going to keep flowing through the body, it'll be a while before low-oxygen blood starts reaching the brain but it is a profound psychological effect to be unable to breathe, when you "inhale", your chest rises and your diaphram lowers but almost no air is drawn into the mouth. This is not the same as simply holding your breath, this is not like the wet-face reflex where people instinctively hold their breath when submerged in water.
I complete agree, we can also argue that a 22lr will not destroy the bone as easy as the 45, mainly because of the energy behind these calibers. (let´s compare with rocks, a 50 gram rock to your elbow will probably not break it, a 250 gram rock at the same velocity has got many more chances).
A 22, 25 acp, 32 acp... they can break bone, they can ricochet inside the body, the can kill, I´m not understimating these cartridges at all, but at the end of the day you need a bullet that can break the bone enough either to destroy disable that limb, or simply penetrate it and hit a vital.
On the other hand, I can see many more chances of a small caliber to the lower abdominal area or even the groin, if we talk about the bullet bouncing and destroying the mobility of the threat, and a threat that can´t move can be finished much easier than someone behind cover, concealment, or simply running like crazy.
At the end of the day, it´s all about shot placement with a projectile that can actually penetrate the human bones and organs effectively.
agree. kinetic energy is proportional to mass and proportional to the SQUARE of velocity, so at smaller velocities, mass matters more. very high velocity, even a 'small' round has a ton of energy
Most criminals, like any other person, feel pain
the same way we (on criminals) do.
Pain is pain and does not discriminate. Lol!
Yes, there is the criminal, who may be drugged up and
may not feel pain the way we (non drugged up law abiding citizens) do.
But just because a person is engaged in criminal activity,
doesn't make them immune or able to tolerate
pain any better than someone who isn't engaged in
criminal activities.
Most criminals, just like you and me want the same thing.
TO GO HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY!
It's kind of hard to do that with a gunshot wound!
Even a 22lr.
No one wants extra holes in them!
Not even criminals. (Smile)
Bottomline, good shot placement with just about any caliber
will be more than enough to deter most unscrupulous persons
engaged in criminal activities. Just my opinion.
Stay safe and healthy.
Peace
+Craig Summers
excellent video,
recommend that you try the triple tap...
when it is up close and personal you're pulling your gun out with one hand.
as soon as the pistol clears The holster the barrels pointing down. and then when you fire The Gun Barrel wants to rise.
so think about this, first shot pelvis, second shot chest, third shot head, all triple tap with one hand... when you practice this you can do it.
EDC 1911A1 45AUTO FMJ
^
As recommended by the Sheriff of Baghdad, retired CAG operator. Zipper them up.
this video is a great illustration of why the Mozambique drill is so important to practice. double tap the chest one to the ocular nasal cavity. if you practice that way no matter what gun you're using you're going to put them down. that's why this argument is so stupid because yeah on one on one of 45 might be 9 mm a little bit but you're never only going to fire one shot. and pretty much anybody who's honest is going to realize that if 3 hit with a 9 a bad guys going down
For hitting vital organs, sure, not a huge difference. The larger projectiles are better for the bone-breaking part though -- not all shooters are ex-Delta who hit the head/heart 99% of the time in a fight.
Garrett Butler that is a really good point. and I agree that the larger bullets are better for breaking through bone and barrier. however most new Shooters shoot the 9 mm a little bit better. but I'm with you there
@@johnouellet4099 True again -- the higher capacity modern pistols and how wild high-tech modern loads have gotten are other big reasons 9mm is probably the most popular pistol caliber...
@@GB-sh9st No one is really teaching "heart" hits anymore. It's all about getting contact with the CNS. That's anywhere from L1 to mid face.
they were smoking opium and they wrapped pig intestines around joints to stop blood loss/bleeding out. which is kind of funny as pigs are unclean to them. also best thhing for center mass is a 12 gauge with buck shot.
Cletus Strouf
The drug they used was called "juramentado" and the US troops were indeed issued 12 gauge shotguns but I have to disagree that all "handgun calibers" are equal!
I thought "juramentado" was the name for the guys making the attacks? I dont believe all handgun calibers are equal either... neither do wild hogs. (LOL)
Cletus Strouf Or a slug
Jeff... Tru Dat.
@@matovicmmilan first of all it is spelled hurementado and its not a drug, its a mental state of losing control of yourself, ( mental, physical, moral) going berserk? did I spell that right? lol. and not the name of anybody.
Everything he says here is correct in theory but in real life, thinking and aiming goes out the window and only your training will save you or kill you due to lack of training. And when I say training, I don't just mean aiming well, it's gun fighting tactics that will when the day. Tactics is more important than any other concern such as what caliber or ammo type. Gun fights are almost always fast, close up and personal, so aiming has little or nothing to do with winning, tactics does. Tactics is the ability to size up the situation and somehow get you hand on your gun and pulling that trigger before the other guy sees you have a gun. First place always wins. You need a gun that fits your hand so well that just like pointing your finger, you can point that barrel without aiming, just start putting shots on target with in a 8-10 ft range, without aiming at all. Right from the waist, bullets need to be flying to your target and then raise it up to your eye if shooting is still needed and place some shots to the head. If you think you'll have the time to pull your gun and press it out in front like in the videos, you are going to lose. I've seen people do that because that is how they were taught, trained to hit paper targets at 21 ft. instead of thugs at 4 ft., often more than one thug. So shooting like you are at the gun range is only good at the gun range, in real life and death situations, the shooting is much different. It's not about quick draw, it's about getting your hand on your gun without your target seeing that (tactics) and then quick shooting him before he can react, you need to incapacitate him by shooting him where ever and as much as needed until the threat is down. If your target already has his gun in hand, you need to probably shoot him in the head to stop him quickly, or maybe after a couple of shots to the body, one shot to his gun or hand holding the gun, like the lone ranger used to do, it works well but only if you are close so you can make that shot. That's over thinking a bit but the tactic is to incapacitate asap to save your life, and maybe others. It's the art of war, be deceptive, don't let them know you have a gun until it is firing, that's tactics.
But seriously as far as stopping power.
If a man is all jacked up on whatever.
9mm "IS" good for home defense.
As in #9or12--9mm comin out of a 12gd
WILL STOP THEM.
"OOO BUCK"
O and that is what the U.S.A. used on that island when the natives got all jacked up. TRUE
Thank God I don't have any buttons on my polo shirts
Thank God I don't own a polo shirt 😂
the one thing no one talks about and to me is the most important thing and that is the bullet. the bullet does the killing. I have been a bear hunting guide for over 25 years and have had to shoot many many bears with pistols of various calibers. a couple things i've learned is number 1 over penetration will not get you killed under penetration will., number 2 you push a pistol hollow point much over 1100 fps it will not penetrate over 2 inches. an example of this is i was using my .45 super with buffalo bore 200 grain hollow points and had great results i shot one wounded bear at about 5 feet right between the eyes, it penetrated the skull, the length of the neck broke the shoulder and rested just under hide in a perfect mushroom. figured i'd try some 185 xtp from BB doing 1300 fps, next bear i shot 3 times in side and it kept standing back up had to grab a slug gun to end it. bullets expanded too quick and never penetrated thru the fat.
Mostly agree, but they make "soft point" hollow points, "fmj" hollow points, "bonded" hollow points, and solid copper hollow points.
You just have to tune the velocity to the expansion you want.
I occasionally shoot soft point and lightweight hollow points at 1600fps, and yeah watermelons get 150 feet wide. Major overexpansion. Kind of a "summer" ccw load.
If you’re using BB ammo, why aren’t you using their hard cast flat nose solids. They’re claiming three feet of penetration with some of that stuff and that’s what you’re after. Handgun bullet expansion on a Bear will be a joke. Now, a 45-70, expansion will matter.
It's clear. Anyone that tells you where to aim to stop a threat has NEVER been in a gunfight or had to shoot for your life. In that situation. The last GOD DAMN thing on your mind is shot placement. Your way of thinking literally disappears. You go full Auto Pilot and your Finger and Your Brain are the Only things Working. I KNOW.. now if you are in a situation where you have time to think about shot placement and effectiveness of your Round. then you might be in a situation where the use of that gun is questionable.. You SHOOT until the threat is Stopped. If it's a leg shot that ends the fight. So be it. You don't NEED to follow up with a T-zone shot
Brian, I respect what you are saying... And have experienced adrenaline rush during hectic moments. Though if your mind is in the correct mode you can achieve tunnel vision of your subject. Practice makes perfect.
Brian Emery I don't believe you can shot in their legs ... Cause when they heard a shot they will run...
That's a reflection of your level of training big guy.
I agree you will not think of these things in a fight, which is why you train the way you want to fight, because you WILL fight the way you train.
@@SamuelVSSwindell This guy gets it.
JOHN WES HARDIN ALWAYS WENT FOR THE "HEAD-SHOT" FIRST - BUT THAT WAS JOHN WES HARDIN - LAMO!!!!!!!
Great video. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
short barrel 12 gauge shot gun with #4 or larger buckshot delivers 5 times as much damage as a .45 ACP round with the same number of trigger pulls. nobody walks through it, and you really can't miss.
@toeff7852 I carry a 12 gauge everywhere I go, except the shower. In the shower I depend on my huge balls to get me out of trouble.
Tim Hallas actually my everyday carry is a fully-automatic viking battle-axe with an 30 blade high capacity double magazine-clip. You pull that out of your jacket and the thieves just run...
@@TheMattc999 I would too. I don't like messin with crazed Vikings.
@@TheMattc999 No kidding but after reading about 13 rnd 9mm faut pas I'm thinking...blades! Chop them into five easy pieces and threat-gone!
I mean you really could miss but if you don’t the bad guy is fucked. I keep a mix of 00 and #4 buck in my shotgun for home defense and at 9 yards which is the longest shot in my home my #4 buck patterns all 21 pellets within a chest sized target,my 00 opens up to about a large hand,at 9 ft both loads are barely exiting the wad.
7:22 that little move would make a great meme!
Good job. This would stir up some far left democrats....Some democrats though who grew up on farms, in military families, from small towns, or have a familiarity with firearms are normal&level headed on the subject of guns. They aren't the problem, it's the ones who have a fear of guns& no knowledge about them,those who somehow think disarming or restricting the lawabiding will get rid of gun crimes&criminals....those kind of democrats are the problem.
You can say the same of ANY person regardless of your political labelling. There are plenty of people on all points of the political spectrum who lack knowledge, education, or experience with firearms. Even worse are those who think they "know" what they're talking about, but crumble under duress.
It's about effectively learning the theory and science, not what your political leanings might be.
Eric Redbear My point was- that one party was less likely in general to look favorably on this video, but that there are exceptions in any "group". The question of firearm knowledge is also likely consistent with a similar regularity I'd expect.
A pro shooter from Canada carried a .45acp pistol shooting hollow points. He said shoot the attacker in the belt-buckle first because they would believe you were trying to remove their genitals & it's very vascular. & the pelvic area will be disabled. Then its pretty easy to make a head shot that stops everything. Remember, your pistol should be used to get to the long gun.
Absolutely. The only thing I would add is front sight focus. In the real world, everything above .38 special and below .44 mag seem to perform almost identically and even then, smaller calibers have stopped fights immediately and magnum calibers have failed. With that in mind, my own personal philosophy has always been; Squeeze the trigger until it drops.
Shot placement is key.....any caliber can kill relatively easily.
How does magnum calibers failed?
Correct and even larger calibers in situations of stress can miss the mark and do nothing more than shallow wounds. Shot placement is king but people seem to forget that in a stressful situation your shot placement goes way south unless your continuously training.
jordanaug81 .22’s have stopped fights so nobody needs more than a .22
The reality is though, that in a shooting situation, you will be pointing, not aiming your gun.
I hate to say this but ,In 2004 in Iraq, I shot a guy 2 times in center mass, he dropped at first, I thought he was dead and egaged another Target, I looked over and saw him stand up, and run 20 yards behind a building. So yeah when adrenaline gets going people become super human.
Sounds like his bp regulated after a few minutes when he fell. Not uncommon
Hollow Points, Ya buddy.
75 bthp never would have got back up. Or Mk262 rounds. Like a grenade going off inside nothing left to pump blood or suck air.
Yeah remember a 5.56 is basically a 22....
I would like to see somebody get up were I to shoot them twice in the center of mass with my +p 230 gr FMJ .45 ACP 1911. Mozambique drill time.
In my one and only "gunfight" I was dragged from my car by the ringleader of a group of 5 lowlifes...As he was pulling me from my car, I slid my revolver from under the seat, and when he spun me around by my left arm I stuck the gunbarrel into the center of his gut and thumbed back the hammer...The sound attracted his attention, he looked down and froze...There was a moment of sheer terror, but not mine. I backed him up about 3 feet, then raised my gun up so the rest could see it, and yelled "spread out"...They complied...QUICKLY...During the whole incident, from the time I told my wife to leave the club, while I played rear guard at the door, to the time I was dragged from the car, I was playing out the scenario in my head and knew exactly how it would play out. I had no fear whatsoever...I live by a credo...Push me, I'll leave, chase me I'll run, catch me, I'll shoot you....That time it was not necessary...
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Damn John Wick, and then everyone stood up and clapped?
See tango before tango sees you.
"I carry a Gun because a Cop is to heavy" - Clint Smith Thunder Ranch
Thats one way to put it. People also dont realize that cops are not legally required to protect you either! Did a video on that one a while back.
I hope I never have to use this knowledge.
Great and informative video man, thank you.
Also ,several years ago , in Milwaukee , I was talking to an officer who had recently turned in the 9mm , that they were given , to a .45 , reason being , she said she emptied her gun ('13 rounds , I believe ) into a guy , barely slowed him down , it wasn't until she clocked him in the side of the head , that he went down " and died " he had a cocktail of meth,Coke and bath salts in his system .not sure exactly what bath salts does , but , she said is eyes where wide open , but , nobody was home .
Guy Brooks nasty stuff. Unfortunately in that situation, even a fifty cal probably wouldn't stop him. In Somali, they would get all hopped up on cot. You could put five or six rounds of 5.56, center mass and they would hardly flinch. That's why Remington developed the 6.8 and rushed rifles & ammo to "frontline" units. Now that knocked their dicks in the dirt.
bullshit.. she missed 12 times.. 13 rounds of 9mm will put down a fucking 400lb charging bear.
Tim Hallas: There are plenty of stories of guys all drugged up, soaking up over a dozen hits from handguns, having to be taken down with shotguns. It happens.
@@gregshock Bullshit. One bullet (any size) to the forehead drops them all. I don't give a fuck if they just mainlined PCP and Meth.
@@timhallas4275 not bullshit my friend , FACT , it happens , ALOT , that's just one of the reasons most cops carry .40 ,.45 Cal. , More stopping power , and Lessons chance of s'one else getting shot AFTER it went thru it's intended target , this officer had a few extra .... challenges .
she was female , a very attractive female @ that , she trained,practiced more , was better than 40% of the blue swing'n dicks in class , she was a very good shot , and dude was , but 40' away .
The Moro Rebels were on heavy duty massive intensive psychedelics and then would do a war dance to get them psyched out and thats what would cause them not to feel any pain and feel no fear. The Nazi's were on Meth as well as the Japanese in WW2 that made them very aggressive fighters.
you forgot to mention that the US and UK also issued out anphetamines
Shotgun, EYES, YOU WIN!
The one called center mass is a fast incapacitation area, is very informative but most of the time bad guys are not standing in front of you showing they chest. Crime happen so fast and by surprise.
Example: the results if the guy is robbing you and pointing you with a gun, you know he is armed and he say to you "dont look at me" if you draw and shoot to him is a complete gamble, walk away alive is a gamble and bullet placement even a biggest gamble. Like this is dozens of similar scenarios. The best is avoid be a victim and expose yourself to unnecessary risks, always keep your mind ready and already know what to do in different scenarios.
if you're walking down the street, into a store, etc and have a free hand, imo just have your weapon in your hand. first off, no one will fuck with you (probably) second off it significantly reduces your reaction time
situational awareness is key. You cant get a chromebarrel to the bone marrow if you been looking at who is looking to rob you lmao.
A “bad guys” anatomy is the same as a “good guys” all of our pain tolerances are fairly similar. Yes if a person is on certain narcotics they might feel less pain. Most of the time the reason
a “bad guy” would feel less pain is because of adrenaline not just because they are a “bad guy”
As soon as his comment as to "bad guys will have greater pain tolerance" I found myself disagreeing with nearly all of his facts. This lets everyone know that he has lived a life sheltered from "bad guys" and likely no personal experience with his enemy. Wait I thought I was watching this for trajectory and knockdown Myth/Myths? Didn't seem to establish a common belief I share?
Greetings Mr. Summers. 😀 Having a medical background, I'd like to add something to your list of important goodies. Another great potential thing to stop the fight would be the loss of air. If one was to shoot another in the center mass area, one might hit the lungs...causing a pneumo thorax (collapsed lung). That'd definitely take the wind out of the bad guys sails! Lol! 😉 Hope you have a great day and a great start to the new year. God bless.👍
That's an incidental hit. What he should have mentioned but did not, was a CNS hit from L1 to the face. That is the only instant lights out hit.
If you want an immediate stop, only the CNS should be the target. No one wants to fight someone that knows they're going to die in 30 seconds.
Three things you can’t postpone without dire consequences:
Calling a Doctor when gutshot.
Finding a toilet when traveling in India.
Paying your people.
Ain’t no one gonna stay in a fight when gutshot.
unless he's a doped up Moro
The biggest thing I think that you forgot is threat fixation. This comes from actual data and from personal experience. Fixation on the hazard. The bad guys not the hazard is what's in the bad guy's hand if the hazard if you look at most shootings and in most training scenarios people shoot the threat, the gun is the threat, the knife is the threat, the box cutter is the threat and that's where the shots begin to migrate to. Yes the threat is in their hands but that person the bad guy is controlling that item so don't focus on what's in their hand. Focus on the individual and put the shot placement as you said.
i remember hearing that too. police data apparently shows a large percentage of wounds to hands and i get why. good point. it's like a driver reacting to a sudden roadside hazard by panicking and looking at it, which is a natural instinct, we want to see the threat and assess it, instead of looking for the opening where they want to go and going there. while there is no substitute for training i feel like simply by consciously thinking about this beforehand, hopefully it will help us avoid those mistakes if it ever came down to it.
This can explain why there are so many misses, even from Law Enforcers!
THE THREAT IS THE HUMAN COMPUTER, FIGHTS OVER WHEN ITS TURNED OFF
This goes hand in hand with what I believe the problem with anti-gunners is: it’s NOT the gun they don’t trust, it’s the PEOPLE.
Also related to your absolutely correct statement is the old, “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” Both are correct. It’s not the ITEM, it’s the PERSON using it that makes it deadly.
No matter the supposed "pain tolerance" as you describe it, you are trained to shoot centre mass as if you hit the heart you will put someone down regardless of what they have in there system. It has nothing to do with calibre as if I hit the heart with a 22 they will drop, if I hit the lung with a 45 they will keep coming. Head shots are for the movies the head is much to small a target if you are stressed, not trying to disrespect you but there is only one option aim centre mass and keep firing till the threat is resolved. Just simple military training.
Well your talking about the ideal. I would say most all people who use a handgun to defend themselves including the conceal carry have not attended even one professional quality training session like Front Site and others. They may send a few rounds down range a year, and never practice drawing and engaging in practice. Sooooooo most all will be scared out of their minds and shooting in the general directions. Even cops are some of the worse shots.
This video should be called "Make every shot a kill shot." I actually need a citation that says criminals feel no pain. Yeah. Some drugs dull pain, but basic criminal activity. Hmm, Prove that.
That's right about where I stopped watching. The myth of the bad guy "hopped up on drugs" is just that, a myth. No drug out there makes a person bullet proof, or makes them live through shots that would kill anybody else. Go to any hospital, rehab, etc. Drug addicts are about the most unhealthy humans you will ever see. If anything, they are far less likely to survive being shot. Also, even if they aren't on drugs, being a criminal doesn't give people some magical power that makes them more resistant to pain. Shooting center mass works because it is the area of the body that contains the organs, arteries, and veins that when hit by pieces of lead traveling at 1,000 ft. per second, are most likely to cause death, or incapacitation.
@@avshockey6633 Exactly.
I'll have to disagree with your "caliber doesn't matter"
If by chance I am only afforded one shot I would definitely be concerned about caliber.
And I'm from the school of bigger calibers take less follow-up shots. Of the Colt .45 for example ol' Elmer Keith said it would only take one and then after that you will have to look for another target.
Quick follow up is harder because you have to find a new target. that's a good one
colonelJim My dad used to say "if you can hit where you aim it doesn't matter what claiber you use and if you can't hit where you aim..well, it doesn't matter what caliber you use.
FMJ for CARRY? Heaven forbid! The MOST over-pentrative bullet design, regardless of caliber! WHY? Do you have millions to spare that the jury in your civil trial will award when your round renders a perforating wound (through-and-through) and goes screaming down range looking for a mini-van full of nuns or an elementary school bus full of children to hit? PLEASE re-think yojr choice! In .45ACP in my 1911s, I carry 165gr or 185gr JHPs at +P power levels. In 9mm, it's ALWAYS Federal's 115gr JHP +P+ load they call the 9BPLE load. Old school, develops in excess of 440 lb/ft of energy; that gave us low .357 magnum ballistics in our Glocks at the Border-in a gun that has 3 times the capacity of our old revolvers, and could be reloaded MUCH faster as well. Hammer 42+year Firearms Instructor USAF SSgt; US Army CW4/SrAviator; INS/ICE/CBP, ret.
"Hydraulic pump" ...gotta love it.
Pump station lol
Pump city lol
Adrenaline is what increases that pain tolerance. Bad guys get the first dose, but training allows good guys to take advantage of the juice.
. 45 acp it leaves a nice hole and does lots of damage
We did failure drills (failure to stop) Marine Basic. The idea was, you do two immediate shots to the chest, and than one shot either the head (t-box) or one to the groin. The instructors advised us to go for the groin shot in the drill because it's an easier target. Something tells me that a 62 grain ball round smashing into your pelvis at over 2400 fps would put you on your ass (what's left of it). My question is, is a pistol caliber really enough to do that sort of damage. I'd say no. I'd say just putting as many rounds in the chest as it takes to put them on the ground is what you want to do in the moment, whether its one shot or ten.
Don’t mean to correct you but the Colt New Service was chambered in the 45 LC and was used by Canada and the early part of WW 1 and John Browning designed the 1911 which was carried in WW2 - Korea- and Vietnam with the 45 ACP which was the round the Thompson Sub machine gun used. All that being said the Gatling gun fired the 45-70
Please allow me to explain further. If somebody's coming at you you shoot at the chest first if he still comes at you you shoot at the hips if he's still coming then and only then you go for the head. if you put one bullet in somebody's head during a stressful situation you're shooting would be questionable and possibly subject to the law because it will look like a plan shooting. Furthermore the projectile will exit the head and just may hit somebody else. that's why the head is always the last alternative.
As far as the size of holes made in people by different calibers FBI testing revealed that due to low velocities, ALL handgun calibers leave holes in people that are smaller than their bullet diameters. Low velocity allows tissue elasticity and rebound to come into play, and the tissues close slightly after the bullets pass through. So the difference in hole size between a .380 and a .45 isn't great. It takes speeds upward of 2,200 fps (i.e., a rifle round) to leave a hole the same diameter as the round. For handguns, shot placement is more important than caliber.
i have been a conceal carrier for over 30 yrs, never had a problem. I now carry the Sig P238 with +P. But always wondered if:
1. Would I be able to draw my gun in time
2. Would i be able to use 2 hands or just one
3. In the excitement and fear, can i hit the offender in a significant spot or if at all.
4. Is the .380 that i usually carry enough
5. And last, when is the appropiate time to draw my gun before the assault happens
I just hope It never happens
.380 is great if the other option is, say, a sharpened stick. But a sharpened stick is better than a fist. A fist is better than praying(or just praying).
I don’t feel underarmed with a 380, because most people, most of the time run around their daily lives totally unarmed and unaware. Having a 380 is having more gun than 99.9% of the people ever have.
The recounting of the episode of the Philippine campaign and Moro soldiers is real. However, Mr. Summers omitted the last chapter of that story, which is detrimental to his thesis. When the .38 Long Colt round (the predecessor of the .38 Special round) was found ineffective, old, second line revolvers were issued. The earlier 1873 Colt SAA and the S&W Schofield .45 cartridge. Both replacements gave superior results in combat to the .38 Long Colt, from that the .45 ACP cartridge and pistol to fire it came.
Stopping Power. The biggest myth regarding such is the concept. Stopping power is NOT a magical or mystical ability to cause instant total immobility in the recipient. It is the ability to render an attacker unable to carry on in attack. It does not include knocking the attacker off his (her?) feet. It is simply the likelihood of ending the attack. All handgun rounds have a degree of this capability from insignificant to very significant. Nothing is absolutely certain. No serious student of personal defense claims so. The quest is to determine what round will effect this cessation of hostility fastest. It is predicated on serious body hits; no one claims that a leg flesh wound will always 'stop' an attack.
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Warriors also don’t react to pain the way “normal” people do. As an example Sheriff Grady Judd recently told of a officer who was shot in the foot, breaking two bones, chasing down the man that shot him and winning the gun fight.
I cracked my thighbone and got back up and continued bucking hay. I later served 23 years in the military.
The first elected senator from Hawaii was injured multiple times on his last day of combat, winning his last fight after his arm was blown off.
Rodger Young, and the list goes on.
All that said, 5 years ago I was faced with a possible kidnapping, I was 3rd party, and felt that the only “stop shot” I could safely make was to the pelvis. Fortunately the woman didn’t try to leave with the infant so I didn’t need to take action. Therefore I do agree with the selection of target he describes.
Druggies looking to support their habit are in your house stealing your shit because they are OUT OF DRUGS, not because they are on them at the time! Sure, adrenaline is a factor, but it isn't going to just straight up make you invulnerable. Shoot as many rounds as you can, as accurately as you can, as quickly as you can. "Stopping power" is secondary to all of that.
In a serious gunfight you will discover that whatever you have AIN'T ENOUGH!!! when the bullets start flyin your direction. That said, the lower torso shot will take a bad guy off his feet. The true quick stops are to the brain or nervous system. I have seen instant one shot stops that struck the heart.Then there is always the outlier, a combatant who is fatally hit and goes on to absorb multiple GSW,s before they drop. Almost any bullet can stop a human, but marksmanship is the key. Take it from a lucky SOB who has got his ass shot off more than once.
Man! This killing guys thing, you've put alot of thought into this......I'm 60 years old and have never had a reason to point a gun at anyone......I have been shot but that's another story...
I’m 32 I’ve been carrying daily for a little over 11 years I’ve had to draw my weapon twice never had to fire.I live in Phoenix Arizona which is pretty violent and known for both our criminals and good guys having guns, I had a armed intoxicated disgruntled associate come to my family home one night banging on the door refusing to get off my property even walking into my backyard through my side gates all with a gun in his hand I ended up drawing on him until the police arrived. I had a situation last month while walking down the street a random person pulled up next to me screaming at me saying “you fucked with the wrong person you wanna fight mf” I shook my head no and continued walking the person pulled up to me again almost hitting me with their car and exited their vehicle with a wooden axe handle while screaming “you better run bitch “ I had a busy 5 lane road behind me so nowhere to run so I drew my pistol keeping it to my side he saw it and stopped,I had never seen this person before and did nothing to them completely random thank God I didn’t have to shoot because the guy was at most 9ft away from me and I train rigorously if he would have continued coming at me I was going to start firing and it wouldn’t have been good for him,arizona laws saw you can draw your firearm at the threat of physical injury and even tho I always carry a knife I wouldn’t have wanted to knife fight a guy with an axe handle
Better to aim for The middle of the chest square. Your aim point would be above the heart and lungs.
CENTER MASS. original PPC/B27 target has a 5x ring for scoring. that 5x is in the center, aiming at the 5x gives the shooter more room to miss and still keep projectile in the body and less likely to miss completely and hit a by stander. VTAC is probably he best trg going. I wish it in photo w/hidden zones.
I shoot .40,180 grain. Stopping power. Easily removes limbs.
You should explain several other points that would/should be known, #1 would be blood loss however someone can still possibly function for 5-10 secs so you would need numerous shots to create more blood loss quicker, Bullets would need to make permanent wound cavities to allow this. sooner than later, head shots were made popular called the Mozambique Drill which requires accuracy and with a pistol closer distance, however if the attacker is moving towards you ar a quick pace the head will also be moving making an accurate T box shot a little more difficult again depending on your ability. As far as bone you show the Pelvic girdle which breaking of the hip or pelvic area would immobilize him. You may also need numerous shots to accomplish this UNTIL the Threat has stopped. Your water jug example was interesting as I shoot center chest for blood and air loss before I'd shoot him in the leg or knees if the threat is true and imminent. Bullet placement is most important.
The reason for center mass is that the majority of people have never shot at another person . When it happens all that know goes out the fucking window ! Muscle memory and reflex are all you have left , so my advice is empty your weapon into their " center mass " . Have you ever shot anyone ? The aftermath can be devastating , not for the intruder but for the victim ( home owner , etc ) . Our laws are pretty fucked up , someone can break into your house in the middle of the night and you are expected to try and identify a weapon before you shoot , yeah right . In the time it takes a groggy person to figure that out they'll be dead or unconscious . For me any individual breaking into my house will be dealt with extreme prejudice , no warning , no lights no hesitation ! We must preserve our 2nd amendment rights . WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE !
As a Vietnam Vet, a retired Police Officer, and a NRA Certified Police/Civilian Firearms Instructor, we teach people to shoot center mass for several reasons. One is that most people(that includes police/military/civilian) are not expert marksman and center mass is easier to aim at and hit. Especially in stress situations. In law enforcement/military double tap is the rule, one to CM, 2nd to head. Your statement that pistol rounds have no stopping power per se is not true. A .45 to the chest carries more energy than a 9mm(ex: suspect shot 11 times with a 9mm), precisely why police went to .40 cal. Even SEALs went back to .45acp. Why? Stopping power.
Then why did everyone is going back to 9mm? Because bullet technology has made the caliber debate negilible.
In answer to the recent post, most military went to 9mm due to NATO requirements, also more ammo can be carried, more clips, less recoil, same reason they went to the 5.56(.223) NATO rules of engagement, firearms that can be carried etc. Police aren't hampered by those rules. Check it out.
9mm on regular people.
Muslims on opiates.. 7.62x51 .. belt fed
The face is actually full bone, not soft tissue. Please take an anatomy course. pelvic girdle is actually the pelvic area. The thigh groin area is a great shot placement: two major arteries the femoral. Extreme fast blood loss and very painful. Great shot if your adversary is wearing body armor. Not to mention the BG won't be able to support itself.
The last thing to do is shoot "Center of mass". Only police and soldiers are taught this. But hunters, NEVER!!!! Facing someone you can hit either lung, or the heart, but not all three! If he is sideways you can hit both lungs and the heart with one bullet. That is an instant kill shot. That is why you try to get a deer or a bear in profile. Humans are the same!!! Face on, you have to hit the throat or the head or take out a hip joint for an instant stop. The hip shot is extremely deadly. He hits the ground instantly and the pain is so excruciating there is no farther fight. This cuts the Femal artery and the most he will do is scream the 60 seconds it takes him to bleed out. There is no surviving a hip shot!!!! If you were standing in the Emergency Room you would still die in 60 seconds!!!!
Your statement about adrenaline and heart rate causing a loss in accuracy is correct, however, that can be corrected with training. Timed drills can help a person learn to stay calm and put the shots on target. I acknowledge that when it’s a real life or death situation, the body will react differently than timed drills on the range, but the times drills can help you learn to stay calm under pressure, which will help you improve your accuracy under stress.
I think I have seen this dead horse beaten as much if not more than any discussion I have ever come across on TH-cam. Yes handgun shots to the pelvic region pokes holes and no handgun shots are not likely to shatter bone. Yes, handgun shots may not be the best to do pelvic shots with but, no it's not impossible to incapacitate a bad guy with pelvic region shots with a handgun. To create the situation of blood loss due to handgun shots in the pelvic region requires some very precise shot placement and to hit the major arteries there relies mostly on pure unmitigated luck. So, the best chance for creating an instantaneous cessation of forward movement there is only one zone that will do the job and that is the fatal T zone and even that zone requires some very good self control with fairly precise shot placement. However, IF we have practiced and mastered (as much as humanly possible) stress fire, a double tap or a series of double taps from the Adams Apple area to the point slightly above the brow ridge WILL stop all forward motion. These shots, with the exception of the area above the brow ridge may NOT cause instant termination, they WILL stop the bad guy from continuing on toward you. So, the point here is; Never never never take one person's word on what will or won't work in any given situation. The one thing I have mentioned here that WILL stop all forward motion even among those who are hopped up on some mind altering drug is, the shots that contact directly the spinal column or the brain.
This is real nasty stuff. Center mass is best. So much damage can be done from the heart, lungs and spine. Seen a lot of guys shot in the chest and paralyzed for life.
So what is the percentage of superhuman feel no pain mega soldier bad guys killed in the US hand gun deaths stats? I'm not in a was zone but have always been trained to eliminate the threat. So when you tell the court that you deliberately brain shot the victim because he was a no pain feeling superhuman bad guy showing your premeditation to kill them. ? Center of seen mass yes of course, stating intention to kill just stupid...and to all of you who want to comment please do ..there are those that are in combat and justified and then there are the dangerous pretenders. ..
How can you say they will feel less pain? Where is your empirical evidence? In reality, you simply cannot know that and to state it as a fact is inaccurate. While most of this video has some useful info, the initial premise is misleading, and may be, in fact, entirely wrong.
I almost turned it off at the "most bad guys..." part. What a nonsensical generalization. Show me any statistics demonstrating that your average "bad guy" is any more resistant to shock trauma from a non lethal gun shot than the average good guy. People throw that around all the time with no basis other than conjecture. Show some stats or quit trying to win arguments with this.
Hallucinogens do not dull pain. If anything, they enhance pain. The drugs you are referring to would be sensation deadening drugs such as heroin or morphine.
Aim right for where my rifle plate will be? Oh my that wont do you any good
Something to consider. If the enemy is wearing body armor this method is ineffective for a complete stop
Shoot....Observe....Select different Target. ...Shoot again...
I think is kinda hard to find criminals wearing BA, don't you think ?
@@wellingtonrodrigues7654 : If possible, aim/shoot at the side of the neck (jugular vein) - even if they're wearing body armour - once that area is hit, enemy is down and highly likely they won't survive.
Unfortunately rifles are a bit harder to conceal, but I get your point regarding handgun cartridges
It's also a myth, by the way, that a shotgun blast can lift an assailant off the ground much less throw him trough a window. 😉
bull I had a dude attack me cause i dindnt say goodmorning. road rage is a big one!
Clint Smith says shoot em in the crotch, if they are wearing armor.Go check out Paul Harrell and his meat target videos.
Thank you! I used these areas to shoot and got reemed by the instructor. Her point was hit the x. I walked her through the hits and why I used them. Her response, oh! If I must shoot to defend I want to ensure I have stopped you.
bad guys arent a breed of superhuman i stopped the video when you said they dont feel pain like you or I. Are they aliens? robots?