A fun fact about the fake control panel sticker at the front/back of the cart, is that the real manual controls are hidden right underneath, and they look remarkably similar to the sticker version. I once got front row seats to a technician unlocking the panel and manually steering us to the next station, after a delay had left us stuck in-between stations for a while.
@@qjtvaddict the sizes of small & big can vary, whilst in a smaller city something that transports maybe 200 passengers will be a big train, in a super-large city, something carrying 1000passangers may be considered small, whilst a "big" train may carry 25'000 passengers at a time.
Larger cities like Stockholm/London defenetly needs their 9 traincars long high frequency trains. Good thing also is train platforms that are nine train wagons long can run both short and long trains, city is also better prepared for future growth of the city.
"Yay tunnel!" that was SO wholesome, I love when kids react to transit because that's the magic of transit. Whether it's pretending you're the train driver, seeing all the cool infrastructure, the wonderful views from the train, seeing how fast trains go, it gets them excited, it gets them into wanting more trains! When I volunteer for a railroad museum here on Long Island and control a huge indoor layout (a restored layout from Lionel's showroom that was moved from Michigan to Long Island and has TONS of interactive accessories), I love seeing their reactions when I press the button for the horns, their faces just light up! It makes their day, and it's cute when they notice the Lionel M7s and point out they've been on it! And gotta love when systems have service that is 24/7! The NYC Subway, the Staten Island Railway, the CTA Blue and Red Lines, PATH, and PATCO Speedline are also 24/7! NYC is the city that never sleeps after all! With 24/7 transit, per passenger mile or per driver-hour, driving at night and in the early morning is quite a bit more hazardous, so replacing that activity with public transport options is a social good that easily pays for itself. Having SOME service all night would be a great boon for people to avoid some truly miserable situations. Also, yes to transit-accessible aquariums! Besides Boston, NY Aquarium has its own NYC Subway station, West Eighth Street-New York Aquarium, and Adventure Aquarium in Camden has its own River LINE station! Wow the train really said "NUH UH" to you getting off and skedaddled away. Vestamager means West Amager, and Amager is the most densely populated island in Denmark. Yup, Frederiksberg is separate from Copenhagen city. Frederiksberg's history goes back to 1651 when King Frederik III gave 20 Danish-Dutch peasants the rights to settle there to grow vegetables to supply the Danish Court and Copenhagen, and founded the town then named "Ny Amager" (New Amager) or "Ny Hollænderby" (New Dutchman-town). These farmers enjoyed certain privileges such as their own government and institutions, as well as their own schools and priests. Due to this and a ban on mixed marriages, they maintained their own language, Amager Dutch, which remained spoken until 1858. Farming was not very successful, and in 1697 most of the town burned down. This meant that the peasants were unable to pay taxes, and the land reverted to the crown by Frederik III's son Christian V. However, the name doesn't refer to Frederik III. In the 1700s, King Frederik IV built a palace on top of a hill there, named the palace Frederichs Berg, and the rebuilt town at the foot of the hill consequently changed its name to Frederiksberg
You seem to be mixing up the two very different parts of Copenhagen. Frederiksberg is west of the city center (Indre By) and Amager is an island east of the city center.
@@stenerline Nope, not mixing it up (though I don't blame you), if you look at the naming history of Frederiksberg, they did indeed call it "New Amager". And Dutch people went to both what's now Frederiksberg and the island too, hence why Amager Dutch was called such. Also, I just wanted to mention the meaning of Vestamager before I talked about Frederiksberg, so I get the confusion but I'm already aware. You should remove your message, I mean no harm! :)
Not really, M1 is comparatively quite unreliable. There are some hitches every week or so, and during night time (past 22:00) the frequency just drops, platforms switch sides randomly, and the trains are occasionally held up because of jammed doors or something. Kinda sucks because it's the only decent option for Amager, the buses routes are not as frequent and kinda weird too. I hope the issues are alleviated now M4 extension is operational and hopefully there is less testing going on.
@@TheCyberSpidey I believe at night, they sometimes close a track for maintenance, so only one track is open. This obviously causes lower frequency and delays, but it is better than closing the system completely.
The trains you were on is the Hitachi Rail Italy Driverless Metro, and besides the Copenhagen Metro, they've been used at Princess Nora bint Abdul Rahman University in Saudi Arabia, the Brescia Metro, the Thessaloniki Metro, Line 5 and Line 4 of the Milan Metro, Line C of the Rome Metro, the Honolulu Skyline system, and the Yellow Line of the Taipei Metro. The Copenhagen Metro were the first to use them in 2002. The aquarium by Kastrup station opened in 2013 and resembles a whirlpool when seen from above. Love when systems add little details, like the fake controls on this train so riders can pretend they're operating it! It's the little things that count. Other cool details on other systems: On the New Mexico Rail Runner, the sound when the doors close is the roadrunner's "Meep meep" from the Wile E. Coyote cartoons! On the C30s of the Stockholm Metro, the air vents feature symbols of crowns (for the Three Crowns which is the emblem of Sweden), raindrops, hearts, oak leaves (for how Stockholm is called Eken or The Oak), play-pause-stop buttons (to represent their pop music), stars and Pac-Man! In Japan, stations have different departure jingles, like Takadanobaba for example, its jingle is the Astro Boy theme music as the character is from there! On Montreal's REM, the front lights of the Alstom Metropolis Saint-Laurents were inspired by the Champlain Bridge! On the BMT Fourth Ave Line in NYC, there's an abandoned station with an amazing art installation meant to be seen from a moving train! The now abandoned Myrtle Avenue on the BMT Fourth Ave Line opened in June 1915 with the rest of the line. The station closed on July 16, 1956 for the reconstruction of the flying junction north of DeKalb Avenue to increase capacity for the entire BMT Division. The Brooklyn-bound platform was removed completely, but the Manhattan-bound platform still exists. In 1980, an artist named Bill Brand used this platform to create Masstransiscope. The artwork consists of 228 hand-painted panels that are behind a long slit light box. The idea was that from the trains passing, the paintings would look like they're moving! It was inspired by a zoetrope
If you think the stations on the Stockholm Metro are gorgeous, wait until you see the ones on the Tashkent Metro in Uzbekistan! Sure, the Tashkent Metro was inspired by the Moscow Metro, but it's more than that. Almost every subway station in Tashkent is fascinating. They all have their own unique architectural features and artistic elements. Some look like ballrooms with huge chandeliers hanging from the ceiling while others look like a film set from a science fiction movie. Walking through it is like walking through the city's history. Every station shows a part of Uzbek history, and they all tell a story from the Silk Road to the empires that once ruled over it! Uzbekistan even has HSR! When it comes to Soviet metro systems, I love how the St. Petersburg, Kyiv, Tashkent, and Moscow Metros were designed to be palaces for the common people (they wanted to do the opposite of Tsars building palaces for themselves), and instill national pride! The Pyongyang Metro does the same! Like the systems built by the Soviets, the Pyongyang Metro is among the deepest metros in the world, with the track at over 110 meters (360 ft) deep underground. Its stations can double as bomb shelters, with blast doors in place at hallways. Construction of the metro network started in 1965, and stations were opened between 1969 and 1972 by Kim Il-sung. Most of the 16 public stations were built in the 1970s, except for the two most grandiose stations, Puhŭng and Yŏnggwang, which were constructed in 1987. The Pyongyang Metro artwork is incredible too. Like Moscow and St. Petersburg Metro stations, Pyongyang's stations have chandeliers too! At Yonggwang (Glory) station, its chandeliers represent the fireworks that celebrated the Koreans' victory, and the pillars are sculpted in the shape of victory torches. At Kwangbok (Liberation) station, there are murals showing scenes of the forest from which Kim Il-sung led guerrilla anti-Japanese attacks.
1:14 "You can also go to Sweden from here right?" That's the station I used to get to Malmö every single day during Eurovision and it's awesome (Except for the first few days where M1 service past midnight is replaced with a bus service)
I have to say outside of the issue with the platform doors, that system is pretty awesome. It's neat how they will "set trains out" when they are not needed and then bring them back into service when needed.
Funny seeing Simon in one of his videos being extremely critical of Mälartåg because of a missed stop (which they did reverse back to) and then seeing this station skipping and door fiasco.
Always dropping everything to see a Miles in Denmark video... even at this late hour. (also long comment warning Miles, yeah I'm infodumping as usual, and you can't stop me) Also theres another metro line being planned right now called the M5. The plan for now is for it to open around 2035 going from Copenhagen Central station, and interchanging with the M1 and M2 at DR Byen and Lergravsparken before terminating at Refshaleøen, which is where the Copenhell metal festival is held right now and the Streetfood market Reffen is. The plan is then to extend it onto the new Lynetteholm and down underground to Østerport around 2045, and then in I guess the 2050's make an extension from Copenhagen Central to Østerport via Forum on the M1/M2, Stengade (served by the 5C), and Rigshospitalet, the large regional hospital currently served by a busway. And yes this would turn it into another ring line, Danish transit planners are obsessed with ring lines! Their wackjob logic is that a normal straight line would have high demand at the core but low demand at the ends, making the ends "Bad investments" Whereas a loop line would theoretically "Have an even spread of demand across the entire circle, making the entire line better value". Then again our entire metro has some... weird logic. I mean it wasnt financed with national government funds at all. Only a state guaranteed loan which needs to be paid back. The loan agreement stipulates that 2/3rds of the payback must be from fare profits, and the last third from land sales along the lines. But the land sales part has severely underperformed, never being able to sell at a high enough cost. So theyve had to try and sell land elsewhere, and they cant do that at a high enough profit margin or even at all without promising a metro line there, and so the cycle repeats. The Metro has turned into a growth ponzi scheme. Every line and extension is to serve a new development area in the hopes of making enough bank from it to pay back the debt on the line before it. At least the city's politicians are finally realizing that this isnt sustainable and have started to put funding aside annually of their own budgets to fund future metro extensions, independent of state guaranteed loans. Though our politicians, especially those in the centre and right are still high on metro crack and has a "Fully underground metro or nothing" mindset, even if it means areas wouldnt get a transit upgrade until like 2080, and completely rule out stuff like Light rail. Heck a Light rail line was proposed to go from Gladsaxe, via Tingbjerg, Husum, Brønshøj, and Bellahøj to Nørrebro station (M3 and F line) with a possible extension to Nørreport (M1/M2 and S-train trunk). Basically replacing the northern half of the 5C. The government even provided co-funding but the city hall shut the project down immediately for being "Not what the city deserves" (ie. metro). 2 different politicians even compared Tram tracks to the Berlin Wall, it was horrible. The city has restarted studies though but with BRT as the preferred option sadly. But the pro-Light rail parties are gaining popularity in the city (not because of light rail, more so because the former biggest party in the city has been absolute idiots since the new national government in late 2022), so hopefully it means that we can get some Light rail lines to supplement the Metro, and that districts like the Northwest can get rapid transit without breaking the city's budget and before I reach retirement age.
I completely forgot to do the soundbites for this one when the video came out lol 0:14 Fun fact x100000000 1:12 Foamer Meter 16:31 FER RY 16:54 Fun fact sound effect only 16:53 I'm trying credits now (tm) Today's GEMs: 12:14 Ding
The Copenhagen Metro is one of three rapid transit systems alongside the Chicago L Blue and Red Line and the entirely of the NYC Subway to run 24/7 using frequently placed passing loops to be able to single track to do maintenance while having the other track be used for overnight services.
Automated trains usually work, but when they don't it can be very funny. It reminds me of when I rode the Newark Airtrain and it literally couldn't stop in the right spot. At every station it was off by several inches, and in one case, it had to move back and forth at least four times to get at least somewhat in line with the platform doors.
This looks an amazing system. So many American cities could use a high quality high frequency modern automated light metro like this. Copenhagen looks like a great city that could offer some great examples for the US cities. That's crazy about getting trapped on the train like that. I got trapped on the MBTA Orange Line on the old Hawkers once after a woman got her suitcase stuck in the doors at North Station. She pulled the suitcase in, but then the doors woudn't open in that car at all at Haymarket or State. Ultimately someone hit the emergency intercom and an MBTA employee came with a crowbar at Downtown Crossing and popped the door and the train was instantly taken out of service.
We’ve recently added ‘control panel’ stickers on the dashboard at each end of the automated units on the Docklands Light Railway here in 🇬🇧 By all accounts they’re a huge hit with passengers of all ages 😄
A 24/7 metro is so cool!!!... Really practical for people wanting to travel in night for leisure or work at least in major cities or areas where activity levels are high any given moment whether day or night which are usually major cities I think an automated 24/7 metro is really pragmatic...
The Taking of Vanlose 123. The Copenhague Metro is like the DLR but more sophisticated. The underground switches being lit is so cool, very science-fictiony. Conclusion: REEEEEEEEEEEEE.
On the announcements from control centres, Scotrail have been doing that for a few years, even on their long distance trains. Here in the UK it uses GSM-R (the standard mobile phone-based radio system for train communications), I don't know how it's done elsewhere.
Fun fact: all the station boxes were designed to be 60mx20mx20m, unless something above ground required them to go deeper like at the Marble Church. We were there during construction as our hotel was the Scandic Palace just to the side of Rådhuspladsen. The city was also VERY walkable, we easily hit 10k steps every day even with using the M1/M2 or the S-tog as shortcuts. The aquarium was awesome too.
the idea that the frequency makes up for the small trains is just a myth. the m2 line often runs at or above capacity leading to a terrible transit experience also. The system runs great, but the technical issues you ran into are kinda common, i was stuck on a train at lergravsparken for like 20 mins, wouldnt let us out just staring at the station lol.
I do in fact like my frequent and short trains in Vancouver, too... except they don't seem to handle door problems as efficiently. Basically you know your day is screwed if you hear "Attention all passengers, this is SkyTrain control..."
Awesome video! Shout out to Simon for his extensive knowledge about pretty much every public transport system in Denmark! And shout out to you for the unique perspective that you give on Danish public transport! :)
The Copenhagen Metro uses the AnsaldoBreda driverless metro system, so it has many sister systems, mostly in Italy: lines 4 and 5 of the Milan metro and the Brescia metro use the same technology and trains. Line C in Rome is also part of the family, but it has larger stations, longer trains and longer headways: as it's the least used line on the system trains usually run 8 to 11 minutes apart. Two years ago, when the transport authority apparently "forgot" to do compulsory maintenance on some trainsets making them unusable, I remember having to wait even 30 minutes for a train, without a timetable I could use as a reference!
1:10 The Docklands Light Railway has also had kiddie control stickers put on recently! Really love the idea, I wouldn't mind pretend-playing a train driver.
I’m living beside where the new extension will have it’s second-to-last stop - apparently the King of denmark will open the station and the rest of the line (which shows how big of a deal it is here), and it’s nice to see my local square actually looking like a square again and not a green-fenced shitty roundabout
Line 5C follows the route (closer to the city center) of the streetcar line 5 which was the last streetcar line to be converted to bus operations in 1972.
6:00 is making my exact point about automation and how you always need a driver onboard (the BART model, if you will). This wasn't a severe issue, but whatever the heck happened inconvenienced a train full of people, and in a worse situation, could've blocked off one of the tracks until a remote tech could figure out how to get the train moving, or a tech could be driven out to the station to manually handle the train. 8:24 "some water on the sensors or something?" transit needs to be reliable. Combining a human operator with a computer ATC system will always be more reliable than a computer alone. People don't wanna take transit if these issues repeatedly crop up. This is 2 so far this video and the list might grow even more. This is a small modern line, it shouldn't have these issues.
I love Copenhagen... I thought the subway was great... Very well developed. With the expansion, it has become even more attractive. Great city, and top local transport... cool video
This is actually funny. I have never ever experienced Metro having any fault. The high frequency are the key. No need to learn timetables. Just go to the station and a pod arrives. It makes me enjoy it even more knowing it basically are running on emission free windmill power.
I was also going to make a Speed 2: Off The Rails joke when the train went backwards with the goal of not stopping at the last stop...but you kinda did lol
Never had any interest in trains, but as a danish man I must watch any video I see on anything Danish. This ended up being surprisingly entertaining, though
If you were impressed by Copenhagen, then go to Lille! 85s frequencies with zero interlining! Cross platform timed transfers! Two decades older than Copenhagen's Metro!
People might say this is tram capacity at metro expense, but frequency is king for capacity. On the other hand, you get Seattle with actual trams running in tunnels every 15 minutes but pretending to be street running down there, no wonder it has such low ridership
It does have actually street running portions which is proving to be a big problem. We have train/car collisions every 1-3 weeks, our LRVs do not go fast, and apparently in the next order of trains will not be going faster that the previous generations (55mph)
What are you talking about? Link trains are every 10 minutes through the day and ridership has passed 2019 numbers enough that they're actively worried about overcrowding. I guess if you just make stuff up then anything can be true.
@ethanchernicoff5750 55 mph is fast for that kind of vehicle. The issue at street level is whether the LRT runs on a dedicated ROW and has signal prioritization so it doesn't have to stop at traffic lights.
@@cooltwittertag They were supposed to be on every 5 minutes through the tunnel already. Only reason they're not is because contractors screwed up the tracks across I90 so the trains on the east side can't reach the tunnel yet. No one wants the frequency to be every 10.
Copenhagen also has a harbour bus - a small ferry. I guess (not being a local) the easiest way to get to any harbour bus bus stop would be to jump off the M1 or M2 at Christianshavn and walking to the Knippelsbro stop.
I has a similar thing happen to me on the Vancouver SkyTrain once. Boarded a train that was supposedly short-turning at Burquitlam (where I was going). We get to Burquitlam, doors open, the "please leave the train" announcement plays, but the doors close before everyone can get off. The train continues onward. We blow through the next station before a stopping at Inlet where two attendants get on and manually drive it the rest of the way to Lafarge
Great video! This looks like a really cool system! One of these days, somebody’s gotta invent true foamer-friendly platform screen doors (and then somebody’s gonna try to put dots on them, of course). I would, however, miss the feeling of the underground wind from the air being pushed through the tunnels by the trains. Maybe a solution that’s not floor-to-ceiling would better appease the foamer crowd.
Thanks Miles. Similar to Sydney Metro, no problem with doors here though (different automation, Alstom Urbalis) Nice to see Simon onscreen. See you both in Sydney soon?😉
Very cool APM. Interesting that their public transit system is on the honor system. When the LA Metro first opened, it was also on the honor system. It remained that way for several years, but they eventually added fare gates to all the subway stations because fare evasion had grown over the years. Hiwever, some of the older LRT stations still have no fare gates, only validators. The LAX airport will have a similar system to this next year that will connect to 2 LRT LA Metro lines. Very exciting. BTW, do the stations that don't have escalators to the surface have elevators? How is a disabled person supposed to use the system otherwise. Thanks.
Welcome to my area of expertise, Miles! ^^ Our tiny little Metro and our wacky S-trains. The latter has been an icon of the city for the last 90 years! :D What do you think of our red S-tog and their funky appearance?
5:03 so that's what you told me " to wait for" hahahaha you're right I love it lol glad you made it off at some point. The fake controls are neat touch, but you're right totally worth the wait. Look at the bright side, you can say you survived a runaway train lol
@@qjtvaddict Light-rail isn't the problem. Building light metros like the Metrolink in St Louis can still be effective. And for smaller cities, light-rail is a better solution than a full-on Metro. The problem is the politicians that don't want to build transit.
Like someone mentioned the Honolulu Skyline is using a very similar system by the same train supplier, just slightly larger and wider vehicles. But aside from that the best option you have is probably looking at the many Airport peoplemovers around the US since theyre the most widespread automated light metros around. So its not like the US has no experience with the technology, they just chose stupid places to put them in.
Just started the video, so this is the automated system you told me to wait for months ago. There was something here you told me to keep an eye out for, because I don't like automated systems.
It's terrible. The trains are too short, the stations are highly disfunctional (they were build not under traffic crossings thus the entrances are far away from destinations). Some stations have some crazy bad rules like e.g. not all of the doors are opening. The service is crazy unreliable because of the literal MASSES of people wanting to de-/board and not able to. And most of the interchanges metro-regional train are bad as well. The stations are also crazy deep, which could be explained by the water in the city, however the station's construction makes it even worse (you have to literally take 4 different escalators). And the automation is pretty chunky. Worst metro system built in Europe. Fun fact: It's operated by ATM Milano.
A fun fact about the fake control panel sticker at the front/back of the cart, is that the real manual controls are hidden right underneath, and they look remarkably similar to the sticker version. I once got front row seats to a technician unlocking the panel and manually steering us to the next station, after a delay had left us stuck in-between stations for a while.
That's really cool!
This gave me big “REM drives passengers to the yard” vibes.
And they're like, "It's better than yours."
@@gkjsooley Damn right it's better than yours
They could teach you, but they'd have to charge.@@AverytheCubanAmerican
@@AverytheCubanAmerican I can teach you, but I have to charge ticket fees
@@happysword258 My milkshakes bring all the foamers to the yard
Small trains high frequency > Big trains low frequency
Big trains and high frequency is good for larger cities
In an automated system where all trains go the same speed this absolutely makes sense, as it doesn't cost much more to operate.
@@qjtvaddict the sizes of small & big can vary, whilst in a smaller city something that transports maybe 200 passengers will be a big train, in a super-large city, something carrying 1000passangers may be considered small, whilst a "big" train may carry 25'000 passengers at a time.
I guess, the smallest sort of trains are just cars on rails... there is always the balance between efficiency and frequency/convenience.
Larger cities like Stockholm/London defenetly needs their 9 traincars long high frequency trains.
Good thing also is train platforms that are nine train wagons long can run both short and long trains, city is also better prepared for future growth of the city.
man, I hate it when the metro train suddenly becomes sentient and decides to just drive off...
the train went on strike
Be nice to your trains.. once they become sentient, they might spare you..
"Yay tunnel!" that was SO wholesome, I love when kids react to transit because that's the magic of transit. Whether it's pretending you're the train driver, seeing all the cool infrastructure, the wonderful views from the train, seeing how fast trains go, it gets them excited, it gets them into wanting more trains! When I volunteer for a railroad museum here on Long Island and control a huge indoor layout (a restored layout from Lionel's showroom that was moved from Michigan to Long Island and has TONS of interactive accessories), I love seeing their reactions when I press the button for the horns, their faces just light up! It makes their day, and it's cute when they notice the Lionel M7s and point out they've been on it! And gotta love when systems have service that is 24/7! The NYC Subway, the Staten Island Railway, the CTA Blue and Red Lines, PATH, and PATCO Speedline are also 24/7! NYC is the city that never sleeps after all! With 24/7 transit, per passenger mile or per driver-hour, driving at night and in the early morning is quite a bit more hazardous, so replacing that activity with public transport options is a social good that easily pays for itself. Having SOME service all night would be a great boon for people to avoid some truly miserable situations. Also, yes to transit-accessible aquariums! Besides Boston, NY Aquarium has its own NYC Subway station, West Eighth Street-New York Aquarium, and Adventure Aquarium in Camden has its own River LINE station!
Wow the train really said "NUH UH" to you getting off and skedaddled away. Vestamager means West Amager, and Amager is the most densely populated island in Denmark. Yup, Frederiksberg is separate from Copenhagen city. Frederiksberg's history goes back to 1651 when King Frederik III gave 20 Danish-Dutch peasants the rights to settle there to grow vegetables to supply the Danish Court and Copenhagen, and founded the town then named "Ny Amager" (New Amager) or "Ny Hollænderby" (New Dutchman-town). These farmers enjoyed certain privileges such as their own government and institutions, as well as their own schools and priests. Due to this and a ban on mixed marriages, they maintained their own language, Amager Dutch, which remained spoken until 1858. Farming was not very successful, and in 1697 most of the town burned down. This meant that the peasants were unable to pay taxes, and the land reverted to the crown by Frederik III's son Christian V. However, the name doesn't refer to Frederik III. In the 1700s, King Frederik IV built a palace on top of a hill there, named the palace Frederichs Berg, and the rebuilt town at the foot of the hill consequently changed its name to Frederiksberg
You seem to be mixing up the two very different parts of Copenhagen. Frederiksberg is west of the city center (Indre By) and Amager is an island east of the city center.
@@stenerline Nope, not mixing it up (though I don't blame you), if you look at the naming history of Frederiksberg, they did indeed call it "New Amager". And Dutch people went to both what's now Frederiksberg and the island too, hence why Amager Dutch was called such. Also, I just wanted to mention the meaning of Vestamager before I talked about Frederiksberg, so I get the confusion but I'm already aware. You should remove your message, I mean no harm! :)
I've used the metro a lot, but this is my first time seeing such a problem with it. Consider yourself "lucky" to witness it
Not really, M1 is comparatively quite unreliable. There are some hitches every week or so, and during night time (past 22:00) the frequency just drops, platforms switch sides randomly, and the trains are occasionally held up because of jammed doors or something.
Kinda sucks because it's the only decent option for Amager, the buses routes are not as frequent and kinda weird too.
I hope the issues are alleviated now M4 extension is operational and hopefully there is less testing going on.
@@TheCyberSpidey I believe at night, they sometimes close a track for maintenance, so only one track is open. This obviously causes lower frequency and delays, but it is better than closing the system completely.
That "Yay tunnel" kid is going places someday.
“Yay tunnel!”- Future Foamer.
Lol
The trains you were on is the Hitachi Rail Italy Driverless Metro, and besides the Copenhagen Metro, they've been used at Princess Nora bint Abdul Rahman University in Saudi Arabia, the Brescia Metro, the Thessaloniki Metro, Line 5 and Line 4 of the Milan Metro, Line C of the Rome Metro, the Honolulu Skyline system, and the Yellow Line of the Taipei Metro. The Copenhagen Metro were the first to use them in 2002. The aquarium by Kastrup station opened in 2013 and resembles a whirlpool when seen from above. Love when systems add little details, like the fake controls on this train so riders can pretend they're operating it! It's the little things that count. Other cool details on other systems: On the New Mexico Rail Runner, the sound when the doors close is the roadrunner's "Meep meep" from the Wile E. Coyote cartoons! On the C30s of the Stockholm Metro, the air vents feature symbols of crowns (for the Three Crowns which is the emblem of Sweden), raindrops, hearts, oak leaves (for how Stockholm is called Eken or The Oak), play-pause-stop buttons (to represent their pop music), stars and Pac-Man!
In Japan, stations have different departure jingles, like Takadanobaba for example, its jingle is the Astro Boy theme music as the character is from there! On Montreal's REM, the front lights of the Alstom Metropolis Saint-Laurents were inspired by the Champlain Bridge! On the BMT Fourth Ave Line in NYC, there's an abandoned station with an amazing art installation meant to be seen from a moving train! The now abandoned Myrtle Avenue on the BMT Fourth Ave Line opened in June 1915 with the rest of the line. The station closed on July 16, 1956 for the reconstruction of the flying junction north of DeKalb Avenue to increase capacity for the entire BMT Division. The Brooklyn-bound platform was removed completely, but the Manhattan-bound platform still exists. In 1980, an artist named Bill Brand used this platform to create Masstransiscope. The artwork consists of 228 hand-painted panels that are behind a long slit light box. The idea was that from the trains passing, the paintings would look like they're moving! It was inspired by a zoetrope
If you think the stations on the Stockholm Metro are gorgeous, wait until you see the ones on the Tashkent Metro in Uzbekistan! Sure, the Tashkent Metro was inspired by the Moscow Metro, but it's more than that. Almost every subway station in Tashkent is fascinating. They all have their own unique architectural features and artistic elements. Some look like ballrooms with huge chandeliers hanging from the ceiling while others look like a film set from a science fiction movie. Walking through it is like walking through the city's history. Every station shows a part of Uzbek history, and they all tell a story from the Silk Road to the empires that once ruled over it! Uzbekistan even has HSR! When it comes to Soviet metro systems, I love how the St. Petersburg, Kyiv, Tashkent, and Moscow Metros were designed to be palaces for the common people (they wanted to do the opposite of Tsars building palaces for themselves), and instill national pride! The Pyongyang Metro does the same!
Like the systems built by the Soviets, the Pyongyang Metro is among the deepest metros in the world, with the track at over 110 meters (360 ft) deep underground. Its stations can double as bomb shelters, with blast doors in place at hallways. Construction of the metro network started in 1965, and stations were opened between 1969 and 1972 by Kim Il-sung. Most of the 16 public stations were built in the 1970s, except for the two most grandiose stations, Puhŭng and Yŏnggwang, which were constructed in 1987. The Pyongyang Metro artwork is incredible too. Like Moscow and St. Petersburg Metro stations, Pyongyang's stations have chandeliers too! At Yonggwang (Glory) station, its chandeliers represent the fireworks that celebrated the Koreans' victory, and the pillars are sculpted in the shape of victory torches. At Kwangbok (Liberation) station, there are murals showing scenes of the forest from which Kim Il-sung led guerrilla anti-Japanese attacks.
Weren't those stations built that way to also serve as bomb shelters in case of war?
impressive. communism does have its own goodsides.
1:14 "You can also go to Sweden from here right?" That's the station I used to get to Malmö every single day during Eurovision and it's awesome
(Except for the first few days where M1 service past midnight is replaced with a bus service)
"Yeah, but why would you even wanna go to sweden?" wouldve been a very danish answer..lol
I have to say outside of the issue with the platform doors, that system is pretty awesome. It's neat how they will "set trains out" when they are not needed and then bring them back into service when needed.
Funny seeing Simon in one of his videos being extremely critical of Mälartåg because of a missed stop (which they did reverse back to) and then seeing this station skipping and door fiasco.
As a kid growing up in Vancouver I love the foamer seat on the Skytrain and pretending I was driving it 😂 thanks for bringing back those memories!
Always dropping everything to see a Miles in Denmark video... even at this late hour. (also long comment warning Miles, yeah I'm infodumping as usual, and you can't stop me)
Also theres another metro line being planned right now called the M5. The plan for now is for it to open around 2035 going from Copenhagen Central station, and interchanging with the M1 and M2 at DR Byen and Lergravsparken before terminating at Refshaleøen, which is where the Copenhell metal festival is held right now and the Streetfood market Reffen is. The plan is then to extend it onto the new Lynetteholm and down underground to Østerport around 2045, and then in I guess the 2050's make an extension from Copenhagen Central to Østerport via Forum on the M1/M2, Stengade (served by the 5C), and Rigshospitalet, the large regional hospital currently served by a busway. And yes this would turn it into another ring line, Danish transit planners are obsessed with ring lines!
Their wackjob logic is that a normal straight line would have high demand at the core but low demand at the ends, making the ends "Bad investments" Whereas a loop line would theoretically "Have an even spread of demand across the entire circle, making the entire line better value".
Then again our entire metro has some... weird logic. I mean it wasnt financed with national government funds at all. Only a state guaranteed loan which needs to be paid back. The loan agreement stipulates that 2/3rds of the payback must be from fare profits, and the last third from land sales along the lines. But the land sales part has severely underperformed, never being able to sell at a high enough cost. So theyve had to try and sell land elsewhere, and they cant do that at a high enough profit margin or even at all without promising a metro line there, and so the cycle repeats. The Metro has turned into a growth ponzi scheme. Every line and extension is to serve a new development area in the hopes of making enough bank from it to pay back the debt on the line before it.
At least the city's politicians are finally realizing that this isnt sustainable and have started to put funding aside annually of their own budgets to fund future metro extensions, independent of state guaranteed loans. Though our politicians, especially those in the centre and right are still high on metro crack and has a "Fully underground metro or nothing" mindset, even if it means areas wouldnt get a transit upgrade until like 2080, and completely rule out stuff like Light rail. Heck a Light rail line was proposed to go from Gladsaxe, via Tingbjerg, Husum, Brønshøj, and Bellahøj to Nørrebro station (M3 and F line) with a possible extension to Nørreport (M1/M2 and S-train trunk). Basically replacing the northern half of the 5C. The government even provided co-funding but the city hall shut the project down immediately for being "Not what the city deserves" (ie. metro). 2 different politicians even compared Tram tracks to the Berlin Wall, it was horrible.
The city has restarted studies though but with BRT as the preferred option sadly. But the pro-Light rail parties are gaining popularity in the city (not because of light rail, more so because the former biggest party in the city has been absolute idiots since the new national government in late 2022), so hopefully it means that we can get some Light rail lines to supplement the Metro, and that districts like the Northwest can get rapid transit without breaking the city's budget and before I reach retirement age.
Always appreciate you showing off the dark sides of these Danish transit systems! ;) Thanks!
5:54 "This isn't your stop; you will get off at the next station"
The train was you are my im taking you home
I completely forgot to do the soundbites for this one when the video came out lol
0:14 Fun fact x100000000
1:12 Foamer Meter
16:31 FER RY
16:54 Fun fact sound effect only
16:53 I'm trying credits now (tm)
Today's GEMs:
12:14 Ding
The Copenhagen Metro is one of three rapid transit systems alongside the Chicago L Blue and Red Line and the entirely of the NYC Subway to run 24/7 using frequently placed passing loops to be able to single track to do maintenance while having the other track be used for overnight services.
does the patco count or is that considered something else bc its more for commuitng?
I would count PATCO! Even if it's hourly overnight it still counts!
Automated trains usually work, but when they don't it can be very funny. It reminds me of when I rode the Newark Airtrain and it literally couldn't stop in the right spot. At every station it was off by several inches, and in one case, it had to move back and forth at least four times to get at least somewhat in line with the platform doors.
This looks an amazing system. So many American cities could use a high quality high frequency modern automated light metro like this. Copenhagen looks like a great city that could offer some great examples for the US cities. That's crazy about getting trapped on the train like that. I got trapped on the MBTA Orange Line on the old Hawkers once after a woman got her suitcase stuck in the doors at North Station. She pulled the suitcase in, but then the doors woudn't open in that car at all at Haymarket or State. Ultimately someone hit the emergency intercom and an MBTA employee came with a crowbar at Downtown Crossing and popped the door and the train was instantly taken out of service.
The Red on M3 and 4 stations means it connects to s-trains, exept for the new København Syd
We’ve recently added ‘control panel’ stickers on the dashboard at each end of the automated units on the Docklands Light Railway here in 🇬🇧
By all accounts they’re a huge hit with passengers of all ages 😄
Always instructive and entertaining. Very helpful to have Simon along for the ride and I have now subscribed to his channel. Thanks, Miles.
A 24/7 metro is so cool!!!... Really practical for people wanting to travel in night for leisure or work at least in major cities or areas where activity levels are high any given moment whether day or night which are usually major cities I think an automated 24/7 metro is really pragmatic...
The Taking of Vanlose 123. The Copenhague Metro is like the DLR but more sophisticated. The underground switches being lit is so cool, very science-fictiony. Conclusion: REEEEEEEEEEEEE.
1:20 to Liseberg...although the new station will actually be closer to the park entrance than currently named Liseberg station...which is funny
The sudden cut to the ska outro music gets me every time
On the announcements from control centres, Scotrail have been doing that for a few years, even on their long distance trains. Here in the UK it uses GSM-R (the standard mobile phone-based radio system for train communications), I don't know how it's done elsewhere.
I am going to Copenhagen next month!! I am so excited, I will now be watching all of Simon's videos in preparation.
Wow I did not remember the weather being so terrible last week. Looking forward to a Ny Ellebjerg metro vid!
Haha, I filmed this over a year ago!
VANCOUVER SKYTRAIN MENTIONED!! YAYAYAYAYAY WOOOOOOO
Seems like the Vancouver system is a whole lot less buggy.
From what I can tell, our experience in Copenhagen was a pretty rare one!
There was one time my dad was on the MBTA’s orange line and the doors wouldn’t open at Green Street. This kind of reminded me of that.
Fun fact: all the station boxes were designed to be 60mx20mx20m, unless something above ground required them to go deeper like at the Marble Church. We were there during construction as our hotel was the Scandic Palace just to the side of Rådhuspladsen. The city was also VERY walkable, we easily hit 10k steps every day even with using the M1/M2 or the S-tog as shortcuts. The aquarium was awesome too.
The train is very buggy at vanløse
I have experienced the station Doors closing but the metro Doors did not, we were like 2 minutes stuck at vanløse
the idea that the frequency makes up for the small trains is just a myth.
the m2 line often runs at or above capacity leading to a terrible transit experience
also.
The system runs great, but the technical issues you ran into are kinda common, i was stuck on a train at lergravsparken for like 20 mins, wouldnt let us out just staring at the station lol.
also: copenhagen has parking minimums, so there are a lot of garages in the new developments
Parking minimums! Insane.
@@MilesinTransit yup, its about 1 spot per 250m^2 floor space if i remember correctly.
though it depends on building type, like in the US
Train decided that it didn’t get paid enough to stop here
11:35 reminds me of the mezzanines on the second avenue subway in New York
This video means a lot to me-I’m 1/4 danish and hope to visit Copenhagen someday
Sounds like a Jubilee line train on the London Underground
Good observation!
I do in fact like my frequent and short trains in Vancouver, too... except they don't seem to handle door problems as efficiently.
Basically you know your day is screwed if you hear "Attention all passengers, this is SkyTrain control..."
Awesome video! Shout out to Simon for his extensive knowledge about pretty much every public transport system in Denmark! And shout out to you for the unique perspective that you give on Danish public transport! :)
Thank you!
Will you ever visit Stockholm and do a video on the Tunnelbana?
I'd like to! It looks like an amazing system.
The Copenhagen Metro uses the AnsaldoBreda driverless metro system, so it has many sister systems, mostly in Italy: lines 4 and 5 of the Milan metro and the Brescia metro use the same technology and trains.
Line C in Rome is also part of the family, but it has larger stations, longer trains and longer headways: as it's the least used line on the system trains usually run 8 to 11 minutes apart. Two years ago, when the transport authority apparently "forgot" to do compulsory maintenance on some trainsets making them unusable, I remember having to wait even 30 minutes for a train, without a timetable I could use as a reference!
The same AnsaldoBreda system runs in Honolulu now.
3:47 they have a Lidl in bergenfield near CP10
2:10 Yay, tunnel!
1:10 The Docklands Light Railway has also had kiddie control stickers put on recently! Really love the idea, I wouldn't mind pretend-playing a train driver.
these trains look almost like people movers, they're so tiny
Always enjoy your videos. But this one is coming in really clutch as I'm about to go to Copenhagen for a trip. Thanks Miles!
Have a great trip!
I was actually looking for a video on Copenhagen right when you posted this video 😅
Good timing!
I’m living beside where the new extension will have it’s second-to-last stop - apparently the King of denmark will open the station and the rest of the line (which shows how big of a deal it is here), and it’s nice to see my local square actually looking like a square again and not a green-fenced shitty roundabout
Very exciting!
The DLR also recently added those decals to pretend your driving
Line 5C follows the route (closer to the city center) of the streetcar line 5 which was the last streetcar line to be converted to bus operations in 1972.
One thing I'm surprised about is that, almost every time I went on the metro, I didn't see more than two kids or two teenagers.
6:00 is making my exact point about automation and how you always need a driver onboard (the BART model, if you will). This wasn't a severe issue, but whatever the heck happened inconvenienced a train full of people, and in a worse situation, could've blocked off one of the tracks until a remote tech could figure out how to get the train moving, or a tech could be driven out to the station to manually handle the train.
8:24 "some water on the sensors or something?"
transit needs to be reliable. Combining a human operator with a computer ATC system will always be more reliable than a computer alone. People don't wanna take transit if these issues repeatedly crop up. This is 2 so far this video and the list might grow even more. This is a small modern line, it shouldn't have these issues.
I love Copenhagen... I thought the subway was great... Very well developed. With the expansion, it has become even more attractive. Great city, and top local transport... cool video
Miles Held Hostage!
The motor sound is very similar to the Hawaii Skyline. Very cool
Both systems use Hitachi rail.
0:30 why are so many rails here?
This is actually funny. I have never ever experienced Metro having any fault. The high frequency are the key. No need to learn timetables. Just go to the station and a pod arrives. It makes me enjoy it even more knowing it basically are running on emission free windmill power.
Brilliant video sir, here is to the next one!
Thanks!
One day Miles and Simon should ride in Oslo, Norway too
they should ride all of europe
@@LouisChang-le7xo I think so too. They may as well move to Europe
Simon already lives in Europe!
I was gonna say look platform screen doors at every station take that MTA and then they malfunctioned 💀
really, no fare gates? Thought when I was last there years ago I had to go through fare gates for the metro
The red panels of certain metro stops indicates you can take the (red) S-train from that station.
I was also going to make a Speed 2: Off The Rails joke when the train went backwards with the goal of not stopping at the last stop...but you kinda did lol
Never had any interest in trains, but as a danish man I must watch any video I see on anything Danish. This ended up being surprisingly entertaining, though
If you were impressed by Copenhagen, then go to Lille! 85s frequencies with zero interlining! Cross platform timed transfers! Two decades older than Copenhagen's Metro!
People might say this is tram capacity at metro expense, but frequency is king for capacity. On the other hand, you get Seattle with actual trams running in tunnels every 15 minutes but pretending to be street running down there, no wonder it has such low ridership
It does have actually street running portions which is proving to be a big problem. We have train/car collisions every 1-3 weeks, our LRVs do not go fast, and apparently in the next order of trains will not be going faster that the previous generations (55mph)
What are you talking about? Link trains are every 10 minutes through the day and ridership has passed 2019 numbers enough that they're actively worried about overcrowding. I guess if you just make stuff up then anything can be true.
@ethanchernicoff5750 55 mph is fast for that kind of vehicle. The issue at street level is whether the LRT runs on a dedicated ROW and has signal prioritization so it doesn't have to stop at traffic lights.
@@mt_xingevery 10 minutes is a very low frequency for a city the size of Seattle. Thats commuter rail frequency in other places
@@cooltwittertag They were supposed to be on every 5 minutes through the tunnel already. Only reason they're not is because contractors screwed up the tracks across I90 so the trains on the east side can't reach the tunnel yet. No one wants the frequency to be every 10.
A shame you didn't wait 3 more days, the new stations are actually quite unique with artwork in all of them
Copenhagen also has a harbour bus - a small ferry. I guess (not being a local) the easiest way to get to any harbour bus bus stop would be to jump off the M1 or M2 at Christianshavn and walking to the Knippelsbro stop.
Thats the next video (it was at Orientkaj)
It will be a Patreon bonus video in a couple weeks!
There's definitely been ticket inspectors on the Metro, though not sure if they really operate at night.
I has a similar thing happen to me on the Vancouver SkyTrain once. Boarded a train that was supposedly short-turning at Burquitlam (where I was going). We get to Burquitlam, doors open, the "please leave the train" announcement plays, but the doors close before everyone can get off. The train continues onward. We blow through the next station before a stopping at Inlet where two attendants get on and manually drive it the rest of the way to Lafarge
i cant wait for saturday when the m4 extension opens
Seeing you not being let out at the station definitely triggered some claustrophobic vibes! 😂
You should try the water busses as well. Lines 991 and 992.
Patreon bonus video in a couple weeks :)
Great video! This looks like a really cool system! One of these days, somebody’s gotta invent true foamer-friendly platform screen doors (and then somebody’s gonna try to put dots on them, of course). I would, however, miss the feeling of the underground wind from the air being pushed through the tunnels by the trains. Maybe a solution that’s not floor-to-ceiling would better appease the foamer crowd.
I've seen cases where it's just a mid-height gate instead of a full door!
Thanks Miles. Similar to Sydney Metro, no problem with doors here though (different automation, Alstom Urbalis)
Nice to see Simon onscreen. See you both in Sydney soon?😉
Hopefully someday!
Yay, another Copenhagen video! And tunnels!😃
"Look at the fake controls for the foamers to play with!!"
Such a beautiful city and beautiful metro
13:30 Malmö Also has a station named Trianglen, that has very small triangles on the tunnel walls, 🇸🇪 above 🇩🇰
Very cool APM. Interesting that their public transit system is on the honor system. When the LA Metro first opened, it was also on the honor system. It remained that way for several years, but they eventually added fare gates to all the subway stations because fare evasion had grown over the years. Hiwever, some of the older LRT stations still have no fare gates, only validators.
The LAX airport will have a similar system to this next year that will connect to 2 LRT LA Metro lines. Very exciting.
BTW, do the stations that don't have escalators to the surface have elevators? How is a disabled person supposed to use the system otherwise. Thanks.
Yeah, the whole system has elevators and is accessible!
Not an APM
Welcome to my area of expertise, Miles! ^^ Our tiny little Metro and our wacky S-trains. The latter has been an icon of the city for the last 90 years! :D What do you think of our red S-tog and their funky appearance?
I did a video about them!
Except...
The fares are so GODDAMN expensive and complicated zones!
5:03 so that's what you told me " to wait for" hahahaha you're right I love it lol glad you made it off at some point. The fake controls are neat touch, but you're right totally worth the wait.
Look at the bright side, you can say you survived a runaway train lol
Haha, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ;)
Wish we could have these types of metros in the US
We just have to stop building light rail first
@@qjtvaddict Light-rail isn't the problem. Building light metros like the Metrolink in St Louis can still be effective. And for smaller cities, light-rail is a better solution than a full-on Metro. The problem is the politicians that don't want to build transit.
@@qjtvaddict and then build elevated viaducts for trains instead of tunneling in fear the city will become chicago
The Honolulu Skyline is basically the same technology as the Copenhagen metro (and a couple of others in the same "family", like the Milan M5)
Like someone mentioned the Honolulu Skyline is using a very similar system by the same train supplier, just slightly larger and wider vehicles.
But aside from that the best option you have is probably looking at the many Airport peoplemovers around the US since theyre the most widespread automated light metros around. So its not like the US has no experience with the technology, they just chose stupid places to put them in.
Call me uncultured but where does that music sting come from at 16:53... felt like I heard it from somewhere.
A long time ago I stole it from one of the Jontron Goosebumps videos, and I'm not sure where the lineage goes before that!
Do citizens there normally look so pissed off? Sheesh.
just in time after I get home… keep it up big guy, love it when you do european transit vids ❤
Thanks!
The M4 opened today
They could install RGB lighting on stations and switch around to mess with people 😅
Miles ditched his redacted "friends" I see
he didnt redact simon
Is it true that they can add an extra door on every station for an extra carriage, if eventually the system would need more capacity?
I'm not sure, it sounds plausible though!
Will you make a new video on the new 5 station?
I'm not based anywhere near Copenhagen so probably not anytime soon...
Ok
Just started the video, so this is the automated system you told me to wait for months ago. There was something here you told me to keep an eye out for, because I don't like automated systems.
Open the Platform Edge Doors, please, HAL \m/
Hahaha, this is a fantastic comment!
♪♪♪ Metro Line, Metro Line. Right now you are looking at a Metro Line
It's terrible. The trains are too short, the stations are highly disfunctional (they were build not under traffic crossings thus the entrances are far away from destinations). Some stations have some crazy bad rules like e.g. not all of the doors are opening. The service is crazy unreliable because of the literal MASSES of people wanting to de-/board and not able to. And most of the interchanges metro-regional train are bad as well. The stations are also crazy deep, which could be explained by the water in the city, however the station's construction makes it even worse (you have to literally take 4 different escalators). And the automation is pretty chunky. Worst metro system built in Europe.
Fun fact: It's operated by ATM Milano.
Dang Miles, what button did you push?!
Not exactly an advertisement for driverless trains with the two malfunctions...