A few weeks ago I p1p1ed an escape tunnel over a Judith. The guy to my left showed everyone at the table and started roasting me for passing it. We played round 1 and I 2-0ed him which felt so good.
People always like to look for the ceiling for a card but in in limited its much more important to look for the floor imo. And the floor for judith is an 5 mana 3/4.
@@10freekie2 It's decent but too clunky. Cards like Judith for the sake of not getting blown out should be treated as a 6-7 drop in limited instead of a 5 drop because if you don't cast an instant or sorcery before it gets dealt with then you are s**t out of luck. Six to seven mana for a 3/4 that can spit out other creatures is a garbage rate. However if this creature is cheated into play or built around then that line of text becomes significantly more desirable as now your can trips and interaction can add to the board. Decent control card (In Grixas or something) horrendous card when evaluated as a standalone creature.
This is a really great video for someone like me who's really started to dive into limited. It's cool to see that a couple of the cards that I found were really good over the drafts that I did are also ones that pros agree with as well after going through the format!
Hide in Plain Sight (and all cloak cards) is particularly good with low-mana, high-disguise cost cards. The best options are Flourishing Bloom-Kin and Bubble Smuggler. No one plays around the 2 mana flip up.
I've made multiple 2/2's with Judith before. I think you just need the right deck for her to shine but that deck won't come together very often. However, the black/x controlling decks that splash can utilize Judith well, and those decks can be good if they're underdrafted at the table, as we saw from some of the teams at the Pro Tour.
The guy that won my LGS's (Sealed) prerelease did so with a Rakdos pile that had something silly like 12 burn/removal spells. That deck might have wanted a Judith. Or maybe not - he did all the winning it was possible to do anyway, and it was more fueled by cheap attackers, Case of the Crimson Pulse keeping his hand full, and his oppenents' inability to keep a creature on-board. Maybe it doesn't speak well of a card when it wouldn't have helped the deck to have the "thematic" rare. She feels like a plant for Commander, where you can tailor your whole deck around building into her, some protection pieces, and a lot of burning goodness. I'm not sure a 5-mana build-around creature like this is going to vibe in 1v1 Standard though. By the time she resolves & the player has any mana left over to cast something it's probably on 6+ and that begs the question of what kind of other bombs you could be slamming down for that MV. Removing her in response to any instant/sorcery hitting the stack feels like blowout potential. The dream is probably to have a couple copies of End the Festivities with Judith in play & just one-sided boardwipe, but how you get her out in a timely manner and how you deal with her just getting exiled is anyone's guess.
@@51gunner Judith seems way better as a "splash black for" than as a signpost "I'm playing rakdos now." Deathtouch or Lifelink is useless on black removal, so at most you get an Imp when you cast one of the three playable black Instant or Sorcery cards. It's much better if you're mostly red (and maybe green) so the lifelink or deathtouch sometimes matters, and this isn't just Young Pyromancer for 3 extra mana. Either way, a couple of Shocks, a Galvanize, a Bite Down on Crime, maybe a Hard-Hitting Question or a Torch the Witness, then Judith is actually kind of powerful. But I feel like those commons are usually contested.
@@LibertyMonk That sounds like an interesting deck to build. Not sure how it rates in terms of picks - do you P1P1 a Judith & see what else you can draft around it? Or do you work the splash in for pack 2+ if you're in either red and something else?
I had a really interesting jund control deck with Judith and lots of instants and sorceries, with 2 izoni’s as my other bombs and it definitely utilized Judith to a good extent
I first picked a Rakdos and was lucky enough to get two galvanizes in that pack. P2P1 I got Judith and the deathtouch on the spells was relevant a few times. I know that this draft was Magic Christmas land, but it was quite fun playing two Rakdos legends. It's nice when unique cards do work out even if on average you should not play them. And I don't think I've ever seen Curious Cadaver in any deck.
I think I played a Curious Cadaver in prerelease Sealed where I ended up building Esper fliers. In Draft I doubt I'd have picked it up or if I had AND had to use it I'm guessing my draft didn't go so well.
Preening champion variants continue to be among the top commons in a set. Even without any flying this time, I wonder when people will realize cards like these are awesome
Curious Cadaver is supposed to be decent in the dedicated graveyard deck, but probably most decks on 17L are just people playing it as a generic flyer not building around it. Seems like a good example of why the headline statistics can be a bit misleading IMO.
Even in a graveyard deck, cadaver is pretty slow compared to spending 1 mana on rubblebelt maverick or 2 mana on a card that collects evidence. I do agree though that cadaver is probably a niche card that people play in a deck that doesn't need it.
It is far too expensive for what it gives you. 3/1 Flying is horrible for 4 mana especially when Black can't help you do what the Cadaver wants so you have to lean into Blue too much and they don't have any better bodies. If Cadaver also had haste or did something else, it could be something but otherwise it is far too slow and weak.
@@Redpoppy80 Really the only spot it should be played is in a deck that's already going super deep with insidious roots and chalk outline, where you're likely milling yourself a bunch and relying on the engine to catch up on tempo, because in that deck it doesn't just recur, it recurs AND triggers the build arounds every time it comes back into your hand, so you get board presence immediately before spending any mana to cast it. I agree that it should NOT be played if the only plan is just to play it for the flying body.
I had Judith winning a couple games for me in a deck I had her and 3 galvanizes and 3 murders.... dropped her on turn 5, killed 2 things in the next 2 turns made 2 imps.... yeah, it was bad in the other matches that same draft, but I ended up 6-3 anyway.... haha
I don't really understand the card "A killer amoung us" I was thinking of adding it into my merfolk deck. But it's a 5 mana for tre 1/1 creatures can't be good? Can anyone explain jt.
I would say that UnderCity Eliminator is really hurt by the environment it finds itself in. Black is THE worst color in Karlov Manor and primarily because Black has the least investigating, so you run out of gas faster than everyone else and the creature quality is just all over the place with no good top end game winners to go for. It has a lot of flyers, but they are low toughness so they die too easily. Blue has the same closing out games problem, but they have better bodies for the cost, and they have a TON of cheap investigating.
@@silphonym it gives 3 tokens but who it gives its counters and deathtouch to can be any creature of the type you choose. Like it's worth drafting if you drafted Krenko
Can we get some average in hand win rate percentages for Vintage Cube? I would be really curios to see if any card outperformes Mana Crypt. If i had to bet money on a card having the highest win % it would be Crypt.
@@joshstromer5640 If i had to make a guess i would think Crypt wins the most closely followed by Time Walk. And after that it's abit of a drop off to Lotus, Ancestrall and Sol Ring. But i could be super wrong. That's just my best guesstimate.
I think maybe you guys tend to hope the formats wont be another aggro fest and so you undervalue go wide cards. If you just add 1.5 points to every go wide card and take off 1.5 points from every card over 4 mana then your set review is pretty much spot on for the format.
I don't think it's so much that those cards were bad, it's just that boros and selesnaya are just way overtuned in this set. Blue is ok but it's not good enough to be a main color and black is almost entirely unplayable, just a bunch of really slow inefficient cards.
This is about Limited and in limited Vein Ripper is a very powerful limited card that almost everyone thought was going to be an easy 1st pick in draft. Sure in constructed they proved the card is also great in the Vampire deck but that is not what this video is about.
Literally all the cards you were wrong about are more of a function of those color pairs being horrible or in terms of the mono colored cards being a part of the best colors. Every red and every white card will have a higher win rate than any dimir or rakdos color card.
Blue black has an average win rate of 52.7%, that card is still 3% below average. Red black is 54%, judith is 4% worse then average. The cards underperformed even for being in bad colours
A few weeks ago I p1p1ed an escape tunnel over a Judith. The guy to my left showed everyone at the table and started roasting me for passing it. We played round 1 and I 2-0ed him which felt so good.
Yeah, Judith seems to be hard to use efficiently especially in black-red. Idk why someone would value it high.
@FreeFromAllThings BCSM I'd guess
People always like to look for the ceiling for a card but in in limited its much more important to look for the floor imo. And the floor for judith is an 5 mana 3/4.
Judith isn’t even a good rare.
@@10freekie2 It's decent but too clunky. Cards like Judith for the sake of not getting blown out should be treated as a 6-7 drop in limited instead of a 5 drop because if you don't cast an instant or sorcery before it gets dealt with then you are s**t out of luck. Six to seven mana for a 3/4 that can spit out other creatures is a garbage rate. However if this creature is cheated into play or built around then that line of text becomes significantly more desirable as now your can trips and interaction can add to the board.
Decent control card (In Grixas or something) horrendous card when evaluated as a standalone creature.
Thank you for adding pictures to the video. Honestly fantastic upgrade!
This is a really great video for someone like me who's really started to dive into limited. It's cool to see that a couple of the cards that I found were really good over the drafts that I did are also ones that pros agree with as well after going through the format!
Strong agree!
Hide in Plain Sight (and all cloak cards) is particularly good with low-mana, high-disguise cost cards. The best options are Flourishing Bloom-Kin and Bubble Smuggler. No one plays around the 2 mana flip up.
I've done that in standard where I try to hide bloomkins in a mono green deck
Acknowledging mistakes is a great way to show content. Everyone has an opinion but most don’t take ownership of the results
Agree, it's also not only responsible it's smart. Now that we've played with the cards it completely makes sense to revise assessments!
Love the video and being able to lightheartedly critique earlier grades. Look forward to next one :P
I've made multiple 2/2's with Judith before. I think you just need the right deck for her to shine but that deck won't come together very often. However, the black/x controlling decks that splash can utilize Judith well, and those decks can be good if they're underdrafted at the table, as we saw from some of the teams at the Pro Tour.
The guy that won my LGS's (Sealed) prerelease did so with a Rakdos pile that had something silly like 12 burn/removal spells. That deck might have wanted a Judith. Or maybe not - he did all the winning it was possible to do anyway, and it was more fueled by cheap attackers, Case of the Crimson Pulse keeping his hand full, and his oppenents' inability to keep a creature on-board. Maybe it doesn't speak well of a card when it wouldn't have helped the deck to have the "thematic" rare.
She feels like a plant for Commander, where you can tailor your whole deck around building into her, some protection pieces, and a lot of burning goodness. I'm not sure a 5-mana build-around creature like this is going to vibe in 1v1 Standard though. By the time she resolves & the player has any mana left over to cast something it's probably on 6+ and that begs the question of what kind of other bombs you could be slamming down for that MV. Removing her in response to any instant/sorcery hitting the stack feels like blowout potential.
The dream is probably to have a couple copies of End the Festivities with Judith in play & just one-sided boardwipe, but how you get her out in a timely manner and how you deal with her just getting exiled is anyone's guess.
@@51gunner Judith seems way better as a "splash black for" than as a signpost "I'm playing rakdos now." Deathtouch or Lifelink is useless on black removal, so at most you get an Imp when you cast one of the three playable black Instant or Sorcery cards. It's much better if you're mostly red (and maybe green) so the lifelink or deathtouch sometimes matters, and this isn't just Young Pyromancer for 3 extra mana.
Either way, a couple of Shocks, a Galvanize, a Bite Down on Crime, maybe a Hard-Hitting Question or a Torch the Witness, then Judith is actually kind of powerful. But I feel like those commons are usually contested.
@@LibertyMonk That sounds like an interesting deck to build. Not sure how it rates in terms of picks - do you P1P1 a Judith & see what else you can draft around it? Or do you work the splash in for pack 2+ if you're in either red and something else?
I had a really interesting jund control deck with Judith and lots of instants and sorceries, with 2 izoni’s as my other bombs and it definitely utilized Judith to a good extent
I first picked a Rakdos and was lucky enough to get two galvanizes in that pack. P2P1 I got Judith and the deathtouch on the spells was relevant a few times. I know that this draft was Magic Christmas land, but it was quite fun playing two Rakdos legends. It's nice when unique cards do work out even if on average you should not play them.
And I don't think I've ever seen Curious Cadaver in any deck.
I think I played a Curious Cadaver in prerelease Sealed where I ended up building Esper fliers. In Draft I doubt I'd have picked it up or if I had AND had to use it I'm guessing my draft didn't go so well.
Preening champion variants continue to be among the top commons in a set. Even without any flying this time, I wonder when people will realize cards like these are awesome
Always love these Reid. Look forward to more.
This is really fun for anyone who enjoy drafting. Thanks man!
very nice to to this.. and tell LSV he should do that for Draftsmith also. Thank you
Curious Cadaver is supposed to be decent in the dedicated graveyard deck, but probably most decks on 17L are just people playing it as a generic flyer not building around it. Seems like a good example of why the headline statistics can be a bit misleading IMO.
Even in a graveyard deck, cadaver is pretty slow compared to spending 1 mana on rubblebelt maverick or 2 mana on a card that collects evidence. I do agree though that cadaver is probably a niche card that people play in a deck that doesn't need it.
It is far too expensive for what it gives you. 3/1 Flying is horrible for 4 mana especially when Black can't help you do what the Cadaver wants so you have to lean into Blue too much and they don't have any better bodies. If Cadaver also had haste or did something else, it could be something but otherwise it is far too slow and weak.
@@Redpoppy80 Really the only spot it should be played is in a deck that's already going super deep with insidious roots and chalk outline, where you're likely milling yourself a bunch and relying on the engine to catch up on tempo, because in that deck it doesn't just recur, it recurs AND triggers the build arounds every time it comes back into your hand, so you get board presence immediately before spending any mana to cast it. I agree that it should NOT be played if the only plan is just to play it for the flying body.
13:15 love Reid’s dry deadpan humor here. Totally underrated 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I had Judith winning a couple games for me in a deck I had her and 3 galvanizes and 3 murders....
dropped her on turn 5, killed 2 things in the next 2 turns made 2 imps.... yeah, it was bad in the other matches that same draft, but I ended up 6-3 anyway.... haha
Curious Cadaver is a looting buildaround more than a UB card
Awesome video! Stoked to draft again tonight haha
love these types of videos
I don't really understand the card "A killer amoung us" I was thinking of adding it into my merfolk deck. But it's a 5 mana for tre 1/1 creatures can't be good? Can anyone explain jt.
nice video, this should become a regular thing
love these
The longer hair looks dope Reid
love these. go Reid
I would say that UnderCity Eliminator is really hurt by the environment it finds itself in. Black is THE worst color in Karlov Manor and primarily because Black has the least investigating, so you run out of gas faster than everyone else and the creature quality is just all over the place with no good top end game winners to go for. It has a lot of flyers, but they are low toughness so they die too easily. Blue has the same closing out games problem, but they have better bodies for the cost, and they have a TON of cheap investigating.
A killer among us is also really good because it's any creature of the chosen type, and theirs some pretty good humans and goblins in murders.
It's only tokens though. Can still maybe come up.
@@silphonym it gives 3 tokens but who it gives its counters and deathtouch to can be any creature of the type you choose. Like it's worth drafting if you drafted Krenko
a video on what you got super right that other folks got wrong would also be fun.
looking at the art inn the background it seems like reid likes horses
Can we get some average in hand win rate percentages for Vintage Cube?
I would be really curios to see if any card outperformes Mana Crypt.
If i had to bet money on a card having the highest win % it would be Crypt.
Time walk?
@@joshstromer5640 Funny you should say that.
I have Time Walk and Crypt as my shared best card in V Cube.
@@joshstromer5640 If i had to make a guess i would think Crypt wins the most closely followed by Time Walk.
And after that it's abit of a drop off to Lotus, Ancestrall and Sol Ring.
But i could be super wrong.
That's just my best guesstimate.
Killer among us, my opp played it, must have named goblin and then I attacked him with my goblin... Getting the counters and he scooped it up!
Like he targeted your goblin by mistake? Because he thought he could use it on a blocker?
Wow, I got two of these cards right (probably out of the general randomness of the universe).
Black is one of the strongest colours in magic my dude
I think maybe you guys tend to hope the formats wont be another aggro fest and so you undervalue go wide cards. If you just add 1.5 points to every go wide card and take off 1.5 points from every card over 4 mana then your set review is pretty much spot on for the format.
I don't think it's so much that those cards were bad, it's just that boros and selesnaya are just way overtuned in this set. Blue is ok but it's not good enough to be a main color and black is almost entirely unplayable, just a bunch of really slow inefficient cards.
I had a decent Judith deck, but It was a decent deck without her too. Tbh. 😅
Judith's basically a simic card bro. You're welcome 😅
What about Vein Ripper?
This is about Limited and in limited Vein Ripper is a very powerful limited card that almost everyone thought was going to be an easy 1st pick in draft. Sure in constructed they proved the card is also great in the Vampire deck but that is not what this video is about.
Literally all the cards you were wrong about are more of a function of those color pairs being horrible or in terms of the mono colored cards being a part of the best colors. Every red and every white card will have a higher win rate than any dimir or rakdos color card.
Investigate being so good while Suspect was so bad really warped things.
Blue black has an average win rate of 52.7%, that card is still 3% below average.
Red black is 54%, judith is 4% worse then average.
The cards underperformed even for being in bad colours
“Entire history of the format” card had only been out for like….a week.