The mysterious origins of the Finnish word for God
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Technically still today jumala with a non-capital letter means any god (deity), whereas with a capital letter it means the Christian god. Finnish doesn't really have another word for it, like English has deity in addition to god. I reckon Christianity appropriating the word isn't unique to the Finnish language.
I would say that Jumala means more generally Abrahamic religions god than just Christianity's idea of a good.
But of course you could say that Judaism, Christianity and Islam share the same good.
Then there actually are also personal ideas of good, which are kind of individual Jumala and not exactly the same picture as shared by some religion.
Like how the German's transferred the name 'God' from one of their important deities to represent the Christian diety.
@@beauwilliamson3628
Germanic and German's are really not exactly the same thing. You seem to have replaced Germanic with Germans.
@@beauwilliamson3628
West Germanic languages helps to understand that it's not just Germany or Germans and especially not as they are understood as a ethic group nowadays:
These are West Germanic languages:
Scots
English
West, North and Saterland Frisian
Dutch
Low German
High German
Jumalolento is a more general word for all sorts of mystical beings and gods but you're right that jumala can mean any god.
They never teached this stuff in school.
I feel like the religion classes back in school were concentrating on the history of the big, existing religions, but the history of lost religions got no time to speak of. A pity, but that's how it goes. Fortunately everyone can study this on their free time, and the most interesting method is to listen to an Irishman's presentation.
They don't want you to know his story... history....
@@LokiLL999 😐
Good. Paganism shouldnt be taught. The gods of the nations, are demons.
Actually i was teached ancient version of Finnish religions at school
Tietäjät were also the "witches" that got harassed by Christians in Finland. We were rare place that killed more *male* witches, instead of women.
That bark letter 292, you can translate "jumala" to "heaven", and then you get "10 headed arrow of heaven is your name" and "judgement of heavens", instead of inventing two new gods to Finnic pantheons.
I would also take in to consideration that the write of that bark letter may be Russian scammer. It's written in cyrillic around year 1250 and found near Novgorod. It used the word "jumala" and "nuoli" a lot, where Finnish pagan could use "Ukonvasama", "Ukko" and "Tuonela", and other Finnic tribes would probably have some of their own... It just seems too over simplified, something that Norse could understand or think as Finnish curse.
Shooting star (God) fragmented into ten pieces (arrows) ☄☄☄, fell on land and brought doom and also gave great material for arrowheads???
Jumala also connects to the word ”jumi” meaning something that does not move.
Thx for excellent videos!
Or keeping things from moving. Particularly those said to be "jumissa". As in stuck somewhere.
Check out the Rapola castle. A viking age hillfort. Largest one in Finland. Some archeologists say that it used to be an ancient finnish town.
Giant's Churches are enigmatic, nobody really knows why they were built.
I hope they'd have the wall in perfect condition but it's all like time has made it. It's such an amazing place.
There was even a king of Rapola (cuningas de Rapalum).
Interesting tip, that I know nearly nothing further about - but in Veps language (Vepsä in finnish), which is probably the oldest close relative language of modern day Finnish that is still barely alive, the rainbow is called Jumalanbembel, which can be translated to Jumalan Luokki/Vemmel, or Gods shaft bow in English. There are several other words for the rainbow also, which sound much closer to Russian loan words or combination of Finnic and Russian languages.
I love the ambient skyrim soundtrack playing in the background
The idea of "All father" is rather common. I can see how Jumala was simply allowed to be reapplied to christian concept of "all father" and as such the word survived.
You should look up" Ragvalda", an ancient Finnish town. The Swedes did a great job eradicating the Finnish history when they invaded Finland.
Another good addition to this video would be the obscure deity Jumi (the name is of same origin as Jumala) who apparently was a pretty important deity in the past.
Word jumala only means the christian god if written as Jumala with capital J, if written with lower case j it means any non-specific deity. Jumalatar for female deities.
As a Finn, i thought i knew even a bit from our 'ancient' cultures... I still learned more of our history. Maybe i stick i stick into war historys more and learn from the folks who move into our communities. Gotta love these videos and the short ones from you, Skyrim ones expecially and your reactions to our weather and such..... Hopefully you have splendid time diving into our deep deep history and have awesome winter!!
i could fix few typos before i pressed enter, but oh well :D More Karhu for me
we still use jumala to prefer any god actually.. if we talk about Egyptian gods for example we talk about Egyptin jumalat and so on.
Nostalgic background music...
Love the skyrim background atmospheric music hah
Amazing video! Thank you
You have done a really good job!! Here is more text related to Åland from Wikipedia :
"Jomala" is the name of a god common to many Finnic peoples. Jumala is Finnish for god and Jomala is one of the sites where the Christian church organized itself in Finland. Other versions of the name that have occurred are Jwmala in 1356, Jomalum in 1414, Jomala in 1486 and Jwmala in 1494. One of oldest churches in Finland stands here as testament to these times.
Jomala was inhabited around 2000 BC with Jettböle being one of the most renowned prehistoric sites. Other ancient sites include Borgberget, where there was a Viking fortress, and Kasberget which was one of the many mountains where signal fires were lit when enemies were seen approaching.
Before the city of Mariehamn was established in 1861, the peninsula where the city is situated was a part of Jomala.
My grandmother Forsman origin is Ålands Jomala. I spent 15 summer in Åland Frebbenby. Marsund is my chidhoods swimmingplace.
As we all should remember from elementary school, Ahvenanmaa/Åland has not "always" been an Swedish island. The place names might all have been ancient Finnic, like Jomala is. Funny thing is, that there they don't pronounce Jomala as "Jumala", like Swedish-speaking people in Finland do in other words with "o" as the first vocal of word. I can only guess that they don't like this "Finnish" place name in "their part of Finland". Nowadays, only Ahvenanmaa/Åland is officially 100% Swedish-speaking area (svenskatalande) in Finland, though some have moved there from Finnish-speaking area, after making test of Swedish language.
The original name was Jomalax referring to the old nordic word lax which translated into Finnish as Jomallahti. In Jomala however stands the oldest stonebuild church from 1270 which gives us a hint that it was build after the fourth Crusade from the Roman Catholic church via Sweden.
Origin of the Jomala name is not fully known still today.
@@madsbuhris I remembel Jomalax name when I spent 15 sumer in Åland Hammarland Frebbenby. Near Marsunds south inlet were Vikings fort - Vikinga Borg. Area are strangly very deep between ilands. When I roved my boat I cannot find bottom with 20 meter anchor cable. Just 15 meters from land. Must be good Turska, torsk, area. Heavy water movements. Vikings must made they fort because food is just one step away. I made my worst rowing tours around Marsund inlet. Very heavy crosswaves.
I missed Borgö:s grotta! I was too much kid then. Just find its map. Its about same place as vikingaborg was. Grottans are very rare because rocks are not limestone. Those rocks are mainly not that famous red granite but gneis or normal granit mainly if I remember right. Is Marsund old faultline? Faultline is part of normal platetektonics. Finland has two major old faultlines as well some kimberlite places which mean rather young volacanoe remnants.Ice age does not flattened that Marsund at all.. Hammarland to Katnäs was very smoothened rocks. By the way. Dou You know Erhard Ericsons stugas in Frebbenby and Elisabeth Erikson. Who owns them now? And please send warm goodbys and greetings to Erhard and Elisabeth in Hammarland kyrka. Forsmans hälsar Elisabet and Erhard! Part of me is from Jomalax and part from Karelia VPL Pyhäjärvi. We alla were fishermans.
I love how our language still kind of preserves old pagan terminology in everyday words. As was mentioned, there is ukkonen=thunder, which already has Ukko in it, but a thunderstorm is also called a more straightforward 'ukonilma' - weather of ukko/air of ukko.
There's also things like "painu hiiteen" and "hiisi vieköön", with the first meaning "screw off" and the second is kind of an exclamation of surprise or dismay (literally translated 'for something to be taken by hiisi'). Hiisi is a malevolent forest spirit in Finnish folklore, but apparently the word has also meant a sacred burial place. So "painu hiiteen!", literally "sink into/go to hiisi", would in that context kind of mean "get buried" or "go and die", which is definitely much stronger a suggestion than what its used as, nowadays, it's impolite but mild in modern language. Alternatively, 'go to hell' might also be an equivalent :D
I'm even wondering about our word for breathing, 'hengittää', because it uses the same root word for 'henki'=spirit. There used to be a belief that the spirit/soul of a person wasn't attached to the body and you could basically just breathe out your soul so you should be careful.
Oh, and the words for nature and someone's personality (luonto/luonne) are linked, there apparently used to be a belief about people basically being inhabited by a spirit separate from their soul, that influenced their personality and physical powers, called 'luonto'. We still call 'personality' the same word as that spirit, and people can be described 'vahvaluontoinen' ("strong-natured" - basically strong willed) or 'heikkoluontoinen' - weak-natured/willed. Because that apparently was the doing of the kind of spirit inhabiting you, and someone could also become 'luonnoton' ('unnatural' in modern language but also meaning 'without nature/personality') if they lost their spirit. That would make the person sick and catatonic, but a healer/witch could possibly help them regain their spirit or get a new one.
Also, did you know Finnish towns and villages used to have a village witch/wiseman apparently in almost every locality, all up until the early 1900's? There are still existing old voice recordings of people gathering stories and spells from some of them :D
Oh wow, sorry for the super long comment, I got too excited while writing!
amazing and vital for my work thank you. and quick curious question do you know of " the Bock Saga " and just do not think it is real or is this something you have not encountered.. it's "Rot" language is fascinating to study as well.
@@stillverseDri Oh, I hadn't actually run into the Bock Saga before, or it might be that I have forgotten about it :D But it does seem interesting! But of course, can't be sure of its validity, completely.
@@elieli2893 well... if you give ring alphabet a chance and just memorize a little bit of its meaning... within two years the proof will arise in all simple words all people are still speaking actoss the world. this "system" is a "bridge" to the mind of the old world that the Romans burned... the old truth was only known by the wise because we did not "believe in paper work" as we falsely do today. one good 3 month course through "blacks law dictionaries" ( with understanfing of parse- syntax) one will understand why the old world did not use "markings on a page as proof"- because the 900 lies the courtroom has concieved within every definition of every parse- word. love and thank you sorry so long.
Lovely illustrations, really interesting too.
Great video! It's super interesting to learn about Finnish history and the language's ethymology, good job :) "tietäjä" also is literally translated to "knower" (a person who knows (something)). Also about Kalevala, it is talked about as this collection of Finnish/Karelian folklore and oral history written down (it is literally our national epic, "kansalliseepos"), but while Lönnrot did interview people and write down their tales, he did take creative liberties in creating a story that fit together, using the peoples folktales and mythology as building blocks for a grander story. Anyhow, awesome video & your channel seems great :D i'll definitely be checking out more from you!
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In Latvia, Jumis indeed is the god of fertility and agriculture. In Finnic languages, -la is a suffix that essentially means "place of". If I bought a piece of land and called it Oskarila, it would mean "Place of Oskari". So, Jumala is "Place of Juma", where "Juma" would simply be a form of the name of the deity that Latvians today know as Jumis. Jomala is in Åland islands and in Kotka there is a Jumalniemi (Cape Jumal). Similar place names related to other ancient deities exist too, like Lempäälä or Lempola, which refer to Lempo, a Finnic god of fertility and fire.
So, how did it become to mean "god" in general and Jahweh in particular then? This is how I think it played out: the Corded Ware Culture spoke an Indo-European language that later became Proto-Baltic in this region, and most likely already worshiped this deity that is now Jumis. They spread to areas that are now part of Southern Finland around 2800 BC. The area where their presence can be archaeologically verified is also the area where most if not all of the "Jumal/a" place names can be found. I don't think this is a coincidence, although there have always been lots of connections between Finnic and Baltic peoples. So, originally "Jumala" has been a place of worship of Juma/Jumis. During the course of centuries it has taken on a new meaning of a deity in general.
When the Christians came about and started doing what Christians do best, assimilate and destroy other religions and cultures, they adopted this word that was neutral enough to put out the message that there are not many jumalas, but only one Jumala. For example Piru (a mischievous spirit that plays mostly minor pranks on people, like make them trip over or bump their head) and Perkele (from Baltic deity Perkunas, one of the names for the sky god) were not as lucky: they were demoted to become synonyms to Satan. Hiisi (a Finnic word for a sacred place of worship) became a malevolent monster of the woods. Even the aforementioned Lempo, god of fertility and fire, had to "loan" his name to Satan.
The Bjarmians spoke a Finnic language themselves, by the way. They were the ancestors of Permyak (or Komi) people of today.
It is so weird you released this today...I say this because I just did a study myself yesterday on the word, 'Jumala'. The gods work in strange ways, that's all I'll say. Great video!
No way! Love when something like that happens 🤟🏻
Why does 'jumala' have the suffix '-la'?
@@Einari1983 Its Finnish, there's no suffix at the end. This is the Nominative case.
@@end0skeleton778 Paitsi että... eräs 'jumala' sanan mahdollisista etymologioista on, että, ennen kuin se otettiin kristinuskon käyttöön, jumalaa tarkoittava sana oli suomessa 'juma' ja '-la' pääte sanassa 'jumala' viittaa paikkaan, kuten sanassa 'ravinto-la'. Toisin sanoen, 'jumala' saattoi tarkoittaa muinaisaikoina suurin piirtein samaa kuin temppeli, eli paikkaa, jossa jumat asuvat. Toisaalta, se on voinut tarkoittaa jotain samaa kuin 'tuone-la': jumien maailmantaso tms.
@@end0skeleton778 'Juman' ollessa muinainen jumalaa tarkoittava sana, pistää mietittymään, milloin sana jumalauta on kehittynyt suomeen. Mikäli se oli käytössä ennen kristinuskoa, jumalauta on ymmärrettävä juma-laudaksi - eli ikoniksi tai jumalankuvaksi.
"Jūrmala" is also the name of the Latvian seaside region underneath Estonia and Finland. The word is composed of "jūra" ("sea") and "mala" ("edge").
Even though I'm a Finn, I have never heard of ancient god named as Jumala in the Finnish mythology.
When you mentioned Jumala being the father god of the other gods, it reminded me of the Finnish monolatry which used to exist during medival era.
It's basically the Finnish mythology + the Catholic Christianity but it wasn't official religion because it was deemed as witchcraft.
Perhaps a "religion" isn't a scientifically approved word about Finnic ancient believings and other kind of "witch" habits for hopes to survive here... But we have the place name "Jomala", isn't that telling something? Though it isn't pronounced "Jumala". And, many kind of "rites" were used even during 1800-century... I just have to read about those again, I'm old already...
There is a way bigger spectrum of interpretations and meanings in a lot of the fi -> en translation.
Especially when trying to figure out and understand old forms of the languages.
F.ex. tuomio translates also as "judgement", as well as "doom", and the word in that place has been interpreted (by prof. Helimski) also as "accusation" (accusatory-God, as if in a court of supreme law).
BTW you have very smoothing pleasant voice which is nice to listen to. You would do greatly in ASMR
I am Finnish and even I didn't know that the word Jumala has that kind of history. Well I guess I learnt something new😂
Nice info about Finnish mythology.😀
And now, one rhyme where this word is used.
"Voi hyvä Jumala, anna hyvä humala, ja ota pois tämä kaamea krapula." 😁
Hey I havent watch your video in the end yet but is it possible get your speaking voice lil bit higher volume, its much quieter than normally. Love yall content!
No problemo 👌🏻
Another very interesting video, keep up the great work! Would like to hear you talk more about how the Swedes forced conversion of the Finnish pagans because it wasn’t pretty. They sought to completely erase pagans and their traditions like many other christian crusaders. Also Jumala is said with soft a sound not hard a like with dots ✌️
Tietäjä is translated as a sage, seer, and wizard. And especially the term sage paves the way for the SAMPO (a source of the infinite) of knowledge that awaits when we investigate the connections between the old wisdom traditions, and find out the underlying principles, that can be applied to current situation. Finnish-Sanskrit connection is just one, but really a beautiful one, with the Divine Sages handing down the Divine Knowledge, directly, in the form of vibration, sound, music, SINGING.
According to a theory Jumala derives from same proto-religion with Jupiter, Zeus-pater, Deo, Dios, Deva, referring to day and brightness also sanskrit dyuman, french dies, day, dag ,tag).
Jumalauta is allso very widely used in finland its can express anger,happines or sorrow kind of like the word perkele
Sorry for 2nd comment, but I really must thank you for this awesome video!
I don't recall learning this in Lutheric Laestadian-riddled towns I went for school.
No its okay! And yeah I get a lot of these messages from Finnish people saying pretty much the same thing!
@@IrishinFinland I'm not surprised.
My father has a saying;
Koti, uskonto ja isänmaa.
(Home, religion and fatherland.)
Finnish people are very religious in some parts of the country and we've made christianity part of our native history so much, that most of our history before that has been overshadowed and harshly so.
Meaning, we're hardly even bothered to teach or study it and christianity is so strong in them that one politician tried to apply bible in court I recall. 🤣
Ignorance towards our heritage today feels like a pretty shitty mistake if you ask me, considering christian-history and how it has presented itself in these modern times. Not to forget how people are fighting for something "real" during these times on many fronts.
Some priesthoods and authorities both religious and political deserve to stir and shake quite a bit, amirite? 😈
Thoughts and prayers everyone! 🤪
Damn.. my recently passed mother of my friend would have loved to disgus this sort of stuff with ya. She worked with finnish language and its etymology all her life... she was called "caretaker" of language (finnish). Words in everyday life feel so mundane.. but stories and histories behind the evolution of languege... damn 🙂
Thank you.
Finnish shamanism would be an interesting topic to go into.
Anyone can correct me if I remember or my info is wrong but according to what I remember
Finnish shamanism spells are basically words or names that and always are said one older meaning or origin after to take control/to influence the target.
For example target is a bear shaman would first start with the word "bear" then after that "origin of bear" and after that "origin of origin of bear" and so on until they are at the real origin.
Still there is a strong chance that I remember incorrectly so this might be wrong.
This is mentioned in Kalevala also. Syntysanat. Also there's a proverb "miettiä syntyjä syviä": to think about the deepest origins of something. Forgot where I read it, but there's recorded sighting / proof of a person having being able to stop a wildfire on a field by circling it and speaking it's "syntysanat'. Others weren't allowed to hear the words. That's why they were known also as "luotteet", knowledge that a shaman trusts (luottaa) to share only with few or just with the next shaman in line.
Shamans are part of the northern region of Finland (and sweden and norway) the word "tietäjä" also mentioned in the video was a "witch" of sorts in the southern parts. Shamans used "lorus" sort of rhymes like you described, and drums. While "tietäjät" used songs sometimes coupled with an instrument called "kantele". One of the more famous stories told how powerful tietäjä Väinämöinen sung his opponent into a swamp, like making a swamplike area appear under his opponent.
Good video
Ukko literally means father. Of course Ukko was not derived from "ukkonen" thunderstorm, it is the other way around. Ukkonen got its name from Ukko the most high father god.
Does not literally mean father. Just an old man.
Cool! I was just discussing (in Reddit) why "jumalauta" is thought to be such a bad word when it pretty much just means "God help".
There is the pretty common point that it's "using the God's name in vain", but I was arguing that it could also be that the word "Jumala" used to refer to someone completely different than Jesus, so it would have been viewed as blasphemous by the Christians.
Very intressting, so I am from Hungary, our history says, there were two brothers in somewhere in Mongolia, and then they split, one traveled to the north, and became the Sami, the other traveled to Hungary. When the first time a met a Sami, I felt so connected, even I dudnt know, he was a Sami. Because of the colours of the clothes, and the open way we spoke.
Can I entice you in making a Taara/Thor/Baal video? Keep up the good work
tietäjä is basically wise man or the man who knows Teadja in Estonian, Science comes from this word now, Teadus or messenger, Teataja some newspapers use this name like Virumaa teataja. It is because of the wordroot Teadma -- to know to remember, and both for Finland and Estonia songs; folktales there a way to remember ourselves and our culture; history. Which is the reason, why our šhamans or warlocks kept record in songs and had to be adept in it.
On the list of different Jumala words you made should had added Jumalauta also, just for giggels and shit.
Very Interesting and well done video. Thank You.
Mari, finno ugric people from Russia still have kept some of their old religion and sacred places to sacrify foods to spirits in the forest. They say tree's have connection to Juma.
That reminds me Interesting little booklet written by Matteo Tavero: Sacred Mission.
Tree's are like antennas delivering energy from sun into the ground.
It is electrical. Atmosphere has positive charge which is 100V at one meter high. 1000V at ten meter high from ground and so on, 400000V at 40km. Ground is negativily charged.
So ancient people might have had some knowledge of things we don't generally know today.
Interesting that in Sanskrit language two names of original Mother goddess are Allah or Akka.
And in ancient Turkey, Anatolia they worshipped mother goddess: Ma.
Which of course is Finnish word for Earth. Maa.
This is probably that Stone age goddess figurine.
Original religion worshipping goddess who is creator?
Sounds very familiar with Cernunnos of the Oaken. 🦌 🤘
I recommend for you and everyone reading this: to read Lyrical masterpiece
'Eino Leino - alla kasvon kaikkivallan'
It's great and very beautiful book.
Word root was 'jumal' and it is an old word deriving from same root referring to concept of 'day, light,' as ancient Persian "Juman"(džumàn); light(or 'lighty being'), or old indoeuropean 'djeu', 'Djem', meaning 'day', 'god' and 'light', and from which word 'god' is derived in many indoeuropean languages(Deus, Theos) and modern English word 'day'.
Propaply original root is in human proto-language because in Japanese "yama" is 'god/divinity' and in Hebrew "yom" is 'day'.
For some reason made me think also about 'noidan-nuoli' - a type of sciatic pain in the back making it difficult to straiten oneself up.... Anyhow - that birch bark letter seems like a spell cast to achieve something.
But last yet not least - as I so often have commented regarding to that word - now which god are you actually... really... praying to... given how the word has leaped from the pagan times to christian use? Or do they kinda take turns in replying to the prayers, and if so, then which one does that replying part better? (lol)
So far every god does an expectionally amazing job at being extremely shit at answering literally anything.
I was taught that Jumala was either the 9th level of existence or 9th level conciousness. The word ends in -la, which indicates a place. The realms beyond the 7th level are not accessible even to the gods/heroes. The 8th level is death. The 9th is that of Ukko the Unknowable and beyond our understanding.
Mjght i offer an advice? Okay, here goes. I'd suggest not ending the videos so abruptly. You could for example play the background music for a little while, maybe gradually fade it away, have a few ending words or such if you wish. Perhaps send a few flying kisses or blow a raspberry i dunno. These videos have a calm and immersing atmosphere to them, and to end it so suddenly does it injustice.
Anyway, there's a finnish shaman called Johannes Setälä. He wrote a book called 'Jum' and from what i got it, he used the word to refer to what could be called the absolute beginning/root of everything that is. The book wasn't academical in nature, so i don't know if it's a word that he uses or whether it has also been used historically. Or if his take on the common "aum" mantra, or whatever it is called. Nevertheless, i was wondering about a wordplay based on that. Jumala could be jum-ala, or jum plane / jum area. If that would be the case, then one possibility for the word could be the realm of gods, or perhaps the whole existence in itself. But like i said, it's more of an entertaining thought.
I am finnish and šamish and i didnt know this or was never taught this.. but good to know now
A fascinating video! l was born and raised in Finland, to an American Father; today l live in lsrael. ln recent years, l have begun to take a major interest in my native country, and anything concerning ancient Finland and its history and mythology interests me; this series, or channel, l find great! The name Jumala is today rarely used for the pre-Christian Finnish Ylijumala; the name Ukko is substituted, so as not to cause offense to Christians - rather like Malaysia, where non-Muslims are forbidden to use the word "Allah" for "God"! The generic word "ukko," in modern Finnish, is a children's slang word for "man," especially an old man.
"Ukko" in Turku dialect means "father". "Mun ukko" = "My father"
@@mt4592 That is interesting!
Aren't these quite common aswell:
ukko=husband
ukkomies=married man
(Tho again both used most likely when refering to a bit older man)
@@qO.0p That's a good point, about "ukkomies" ("old-man man") meaning "married man," while "poikamies" ("boy man") means "bachelor."
Thank you. I thought it just meant some random god. We should know these things after so long time in the education system. 😉 Much more relevant than inessiivi and ablatiivi.
Yea - and those terms - inessiivi and the likes of them - they used to have actually Finnish terms in use when our parents or grand parents went to school. Words that would actually have a bloody meaning in them to remember what F - if you excuse my french - the dammed thing means. Just saying, that it may help learning the grammar or the foreign languages to use the term verbi instead of the Finnish version - but I for sure could have used the terms that mean something to remember them lol. Honestly - then again you don't need grammar lessons when your mother decides to teach you to speak in the 'written tongue' rather than a local dialect. Managed to get a Laudatur out of my Finnish in high school with my very poor memory of grammar terms though. But my point is that it's pity we don't use more the actual Finnish words in general rather than borrowed ones.
It’s almost the same in Estonian, Jumal.
As a Finn ive always thought of Estonians as our close relatives because of the same mindset and language similarities. Same with Swedes and Norwegians. I have many friends who have relatives living in those countries. My family is third swedish.
Jumala basically means place of Juma. In many Finno Ugrian languages its common derivatives are Jumo (Mari), Jen (Komi), Jomali (Karelian), Jumiskepas (Mordvin), Jubmel (Saami), Inmar (Udmurt), Ilmari (Finnish again), Num Ilem (Samoyed). The Poenician Water diety was Yam, east of Estonia there is Jaama, in Sweden Jamtland, there is also Jämsä in south central Finland. So the JUM part is undoubtedly very old, when all the Finno Ugrian tribes were one nation. He may have been a tribal chief of all the Uralic peoples. An interesting fact is the god Ukko in Finnish has a direct cognitive in Dravidian where ukko means old man, same is used in Finland.
The music you used for this video, where could I find it??
Just look for Jeremy Soule skyrim soundtrack
Jumo/Juma is still the name of the cheif god of the Mari people (a Finnic group of people living within the Volga region) who still hold traditional beliefs (often called "the last Pagans of europe")
Undoubtedly related etymologically to the sky god of their Finnish cousins.
Speak to me, my Pagan brother. Let us rise to meet the Gods together. Yours and your research, mine and my searching.
Hätämaan Tietäjä existed in my hometown Piippola. There's also stuff about him in the museum that I visited a week ago in Haapavesi.
Oh nice! Need to visit
@@IrishinFinland well I guess you can, but there's these types of museos everywhere, I don't think it matters. But sure, I reccomend just taking a road trip across Finland, see the local history and what not.
Also Haapavesi is close to Oulu, so why not? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
One of the most common swearwords in the Finnish language “jumalauta” literally means “god (jumala) help me”. I wonder if it’s such an inappropriate utterance because it literally means summoning the assistance of a forbidden pre-Christian deity?
Ukko is also a pretty new god. There are much older ones. Maybe the word is also older.
If you are interesting very old time in Finland,.. Best place here is: Sammallahdenmäki.
My respect to you.
I’m familiar with Jumala, but, my father used to say “ Jumalouta”… does anyone know what that means?
@@cmonkey_3 Basicly a prayer that evolved into a swear word. Most powerful as a combination with Perkele. "Jumalauta perkele!" ;)
Yea, nowadays it’s a swear word, probably because thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. But indeed it’s directly translated to ”help me god” mushed into a single word.
Lauta means plank, so it means juma-plank
@@metheiam5714 Although jumala used to be jumal way back when and still is in estonian.
@@tomofasia Yes, so it is really Jumal(a)auta = "Help me god" as you said before. No necessarily specifying the god, though.
Not sure if i picked it up from your videos, but ive heard that "perkele" was also ancient finnish god and christians used it as word for christian satan so that finns would get used to christianity easier
I guess theres a bit of pagan in every Finn, when even our word for God comes from them. Makes sense!
Fun fact: saying "God help" without a pause is a swearword, for whatever reason (jumala+auta=jumalauta).
Doom God sounds badass af, no wonder Finnish people reject lutherian, ortodox etc. religions. They were happy with their own thing and traditions. Maybe these pagans of north were up to something the rest of world could only fathom XD
Hehe - ah - well they do speak about taking over the world - some day - anytime soon now..... ^^
Leipä on Jumalan viljaa Bread is God's grain
Can the bread be turned on its back?
My parents and their parents had a strict attitude about this.
"Bread is sacred. It must not be turned on its back."
Ukko-ylijumala. I JUST realized that 💀 how dumb am I. It's probably been taught to me since I was like 6. And no, i'm not religious.
When it´s written with big "J" (Jumala), we talk about God of Gods/ Christian God, and when it´s written with small "j" (jumala), we talk about any other god.
Nice skyrim music
Jumala, was a place where the sun sets
Into Uranus ?
Luojan kiitos
More holy words: "Jumala, voi vittu, saatanan perkelen vittu!"
Humala!
I prefer Humala than Jumala.
Jumalauta
jumis means stuck in finnish
Jumala is just a translation to God. The real finnish ancient god is Ukko
JUMOLA IUOLH JA INMN ŠN IOULN. SÕHA IOLH DMO BAU. JUMALA SAUD BINNAH APT(Cyrillic to Latin alphabet). Jumala jõul ja inimene sinu jõul. Sõna jõud on tema oma. Jumal sind juhatab(est by pronunciation). By the power of God and man by your power. The power of the word is his. God guides you.
Votic people lived in that area. Novgorod was a center of trade and diplomatic communication for them. They were very religious. Eastern Orthodox Church. In this text Jumala is the Cristian God.
Ukko Yli Jumala
Ukko Jumala was the main deity and the "Heavenly All-father". To compare, in the pagan Arabic pantheon, Allah was the main deity and the pagans believed that Allah had created everything. After Muhammad who wanted to follow the Abrahamic tradition, the main god Allah become the only god.
In Kalevala, there is a warfare poem:
"Ukko, julkinen jumala, itse taatto taivahinen!
Tuo mulle tulinen turkki, päälleni panuinen paita,
jonka suojasta sotisin ja takoa tappeleisin,
ettei pää pahoin menisi, tukka turhi'in tulisi
rauan kirkkahan kisassa, terän tuiman tutkaimessa!"
"Ukko, thou All-present God, thou Heavenly All-father!
Grant me a coat of fire, a fiery vest on me,
underneath to wage my wars and forge fights,
that my pate would not perish, the hair to remain unraveled
in the game of bright iron, under the sharp gaze of blade!"
2:00 technically not. The word "Ukko" means something like "an old man" or "a married man" or "father", and this is the origin of his name. Ukkonen, in English "thunder" derives from this gods name, and is a diminutive form of it, which is a derivation used a lot in Finnish, for surnames, to imply origin from something, or expressing of endearment or smallness. So "Ukkonen" means "something originating from Ukko" or "little Ukko".
Nowadays he is often known as Ukko Ylijumala, in English Ukko the Supreme God, Ukko the Over-God.
Jumalauta!
Ukko = Father
Ukkonen = Father like (weather) - a thunderstorm
Are you sure that -nen conjugation would imply "something-like"? Isn't it rather diminutive form for words like lapsonen, poikanen etc. meaning small child, small boy, whereas -inen conjugation makes words adjectives or something-like / something-y, for example metsäinen, järjestyksellinen, kultainen, mäkinen, those meaning forest(y), orderly, golden and hilly...?
Oh, I'm not totally sure about this but wanted to show connection in English with word Ukko and Ukkonen, like Ukkosen ilma, Ukkosilma, I just see connections here and try show it in English.
Well, if written as Jumala, then it refers to the God of christianity/(monotheists?), and when written as jumala, then it can refer to any god. Interesting video nevertheless, so then the exact opposite has happened in Islam, where the word Allah has became used as a name for the God, even though it's not a name, whereas Jumala apparently was a name but not anymore, interesting... The words Allah and feminine form of that, Allat, existed before Islam, meaning basically "The God" and "The Goddess"...
Compare these; jumal, ukko: akka, äijä: ämmä with their Egyptian/Ackadian counterparts. In all cases counted as original words.
it does mean many different gods the word jumala has always been a generic to describe god... it was always preceded with the gods name like Ukko or other gods whos names i dont remember right now but anyway jumala itself just means god
I think that the origin of old #Finnish mythology and pantheon is Indo-European because there are so much similarities that it can't be coincidental.
Finnish mythology absolutely is not Indo-European by origin. While it’s true that finnish, and by extent other balto-finnic mythologies have been heavily influenced by Indo-European mythologies (mainly norse and baltic), it is still by it’s core uralic
@@a.v.j5664 Water bird laying the egg that is the origin matter of the world is very old, there have been some old drawings found in caves. The bird seems to be a swan in one certain image of such. There is also quite a lot about birds held sacred due to their ability to move on air as well as land; water birds more so as they also have the element of water. And of the water birds, swans in particular.
The ancient Finnish religion was hardly organised in any way. Still, we know that one of their gods was Jumala (the vikings wrote it Jomale). In one of the sagas it was even told what kind of wooden Jumala statue one of the tribes had. How then this name was taken to mean the christian god? One can imagine that there were some communication problems when the christians came to Finland and started their missions. When hearing about Gud or Gott or Bog, the Finns may have had trouble in grasping what this means. It is handy to take some name which is familiar to Finns, and Jumala is a good candidate for this purpose. Even better, the Finns may have thought that the christians are talking about the god they already know, and then it has been possible to infiltrate gradually the new religion to the Finnish minds. This is my own theory, and it can be right or wrong.
Probably many Finnish christians would be shocked to learn that when they pray to God, they actually pray to an ancient pagan God. The same is valid for Amen, which is just a form of the name of the old Egyptian god Ammon. Many christians deny that, but this is just an excuse. I think they say that this has some meaning in Hebrew, but even when it is so, the word still comes from Egypt.
I am a Finn and - for me that is a source of amusement. Now which one of the gods do the religious pray to really. Or is it that the two gods take turns replying - and then if that's the case - which one is more favorable in their replies. Do we detect a slight undertone of competition there... mayhap. Well at least that is sort of a funny way to look at it.
not to forget the fact that most so called ''christian holidays'' are actually pagan holidays that christianity just stole
@@villekuronen6242 This is true. Making a christian holiday overlap an old pagan holiday prevents having an old holiday at the same time. Also churches were sometimes built at places where the pagan celebrations were made, which prevented the old celebrations. It is also possible that the christianity and the pagan religion were mixed in human minds so that people may have considered the christianity to be just a new fashion of religious manners.
Of course there must have been a strong opposition of christianity as well, but we do not know much of it. This is unlike Iceland where sagas tell us a lot of it. Perhaps Finland was a society less organised than that on Iceland (no writing skills comparable to runes), or perhaps the church just destroyed such an information.
Lol. The end of this word, "ala" means that it's a place, not some imaginary dude :D The beginning means being still, or stuck. So it means a place that stands forever. The word "Jeesus" is a mistranslation from a word "iäsyys" (forever or father). There is also a word "iäti" (always or mother). It can be also form to words Jätti, yeti or Jatuli.
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Nice video.
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Christianity killed alot of original religions
Just like all religions "killed" other religions. It is nothing strange, happens with ideologies and sience too.
@@Tony-Injection average religion stuff indeed
Well the point in it is the fact there was no organised religion in Nordic lands before Christianity was enforced on people.
@@theseekersofhistory8123, how do you define organised? Every ideology is enforced, it is only a matter of definition. If you do not belong to a sertain group you are enforced to be in that group, of course with small exceptions.
@@Tony-Injection well there is no whatsoever prove of it. Religion if you insist calling it one was practiced in cult based only on Nordic lands. The gods weren't used in daily life or worshipped daily or anything like organised religion works. this comes to show very well also in practise of neo paganism what is mostly mixing Christian theology to paganism. What is fine in general but if a person wants to practice preconstruction instead pre creation you can't start mixing up theology of Christianity in to it. After all pagan is a Christian word and there is no 1 way to describe it unlike any organised religion.
Why do you say sometimes "finik" (I don't know how to write it). And i'm not trying to be rude and sorry if i am
Finnic, I'm sure you have heard that before
@@IrishinFinland I haven't heard of it, or at least I don't think so. or i'm just stupid😅
(Baltic) Finnic = itämerensuomalainen
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