How Different Total War Players Deploy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มี.ค. 2022
- How many of these fit your playstyles? A Total War Warhammer 3 Skit.
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Legend of Total War here, today I'm gonna show you how to hide your entire army in 3 small bushes accross the map.
Who does he think he is? Some kind of tactical genius?
@@mrbigglezworth42 He is a stress tester for Total War i mean he has this capability to find every single exploit and cheese and understand how the AI reacts in a pretty intuitive level.
@@mrbigglezworth42 No. He is da cheeze lord
@@mrbigglezworth42 *hides a terracotta sentinel behind a lone tree in a field*
@@abrittishpanfish6269 CREEEEEED
As a other perfectionist, you also need to group troop cards to match how you deployed troops into field
Totally me.
I was about to comment on that, a true perfectionist never lets his troop cards get messy.
I mean, that's just practical. I don't want my left flank monsters to be on the right side in the unit card lineup
Definitely.
I always stress about grouping my cards by positioning or by unit type.
Autoresolve decisive defeat, proceeds to corner camp. That hits the spot.
Since I don't do that, would that cause routing units to immediately leave and is that desirable?
@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD It's most effective against melee focused enemies like orcs and khorne because they have to bunch up making spells easy, and also great against cav because they can't flank and you'll always be braced against them. However, corner camping will send your whole army to death or a rout should the enemy have artillery or worse yet, dwarven aoe explosive damage, so it's best to hide some cavalry in trees away from your army so you can rush their long range back line stuff while they're engaged in the corner.
@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD makes it so you cant get surrounded when vastly outnumbered, also good for protecting missile units/wizards provided they have room to fire. It struggles vs artillery, missile units, and any AoE abilities/monsters. Playing the corner as some races is very strong but not perfect. Instant routing is bad but doesnt make much of a difference when battles are super lopsided and routing is gg anyways.
its a bad crutch of mine coming from twr2 where 6 pikemen phalanxed up in the corner could take out thousands.
i can only recommend to everyone reading this: give yourself the rule that you aren't allowed to use the map edges to corner camp. Only actual terrain, like stone-formations etc.
Makes the game far more interesting, and sometimes losing an army to an overwhelming foe brings massive spice to the campaign. Trust me, once the enemy murdered one of your armies it's going to be far more fun to defeat them, and victory will be so much sweeter.
@@XpVersusVista I mean, the game already cheats massively throwing 3 full stacks at you when you could not afford half army in the same circumstances.And even if you clear those up they rebuild those 3 armies in 3 turns so... there is no more realiable strategy to deal with overwhelming forces. In TTW3 they started adding scenery in the edges of the maps, specially cathayan maps, and some bottlenecks of terrain so you can basically cornercamp without having to think about the absurdity of having two white magical lines that prevents the enemy from flanking you. Thats makes me think that CA is completely OK with people corner camping.
And then there’s me, spending 5 minutes making a perfect battle line to face 3 units of skaven slaves
But of course! And sending in the same army I used to defeat Kostaltyn multiple times to beat a couple of Gnoblars and one unit of Ogre Bulls.
Ah yes, enjoy slaughter
Now now, no need to get sloppy.
haha I've done about all of them for sure. Gotta love the corner camping!
If CA didn't intend us to corner camp they would have made the maps circles.
@@AshenVictor Imagine if they just made the map so large that getting to the corner with infantry before cav reaches you was not possible.
Or artillery before infantry would reach you.
Allow us to introduce ourselves:
I love that LegendofTotalWar gets his own category!
Hey, he then selects half the doomstack and moves it to fill the gaps between the units. This video doesn't do justice to the effort he puts in.
Though it is technically false now since Legend mentioned several times in his streams that doomstacks aren't as good now and mixed armies are preferable.
To be honest his lazyness is somthing uniqe.
@@mso2013 Path of least resistance is his method for sure!
I’d like this comment but it’s at 69 so I’m not jinxing that.
The LegendOfTotalWar is so accurate
I think it might have been more accurate to hide all of his units in the woods
Not at all, he doesnt like spamming terracotta sentinels
@@Asraeks True, but the formation layout style is the same, which is literally the same
@@danberan02 It's not, he double stacks them. Aka, make a line with half the units, then use the other half to fill the gaps. That'a how he deploys.
@@OctagonCookies Maybe sometimes I guess lol
As an auto resolver, I feel called out. I'll be taking my Ratling doomstack/Dwarf doomstack/Celestial dragon crossbowman doomstack/Sisters of avelorn doomstack and sitting in the corner until I win.
The corner is the best military alliance I ever had the pleasure to be a part of.
Obviously you play however you want, but the best part about total war games are the battles. If you just wanna play a good campaign there's plenty of games that do it much better.
@@taserrr Well, I've played many startegic games, like Age of Empires, Empire Earth (kinda forgotten series) Crusader Kings or Europa Universalis. Out of all of them, Total War is my favourite in terms of the campaign experience. I enjoy battles too, of course, but the campaign side of things is way more interesting for me. If autoresolve tells decisive victory and low losses, I take it every time.
We have no choice when the AI can micromanage all their cavalry to always encircle our troops and focus the backline.
@RJMPublic That's not true. In my last campaign I had at least a hundret battles, where autoresolve predicted a decisive defeat and I only sent half of the army to the corner!
That was with Yvresse and only stealthy units+generals. Full stealth breaks the ai so effective, that a fire archmage on a dragon can win most battles alone. Of course you need a ground unit(with stealth) to prevent a leadership debuff. lvl 15+ life mage, lvl15+ swordmaster of hoath, skyhawks are good for that.
Typical campaign for me
Early Game: Perfectionist (Wants to look at units)
Mid Game: Veteran and the occasional corner camp
Late Game: Speed running and noob when tired
Even Later in game: Legend of Total Doomstack
Ultra late game: Fuck it, imma Auto Resolve and if it dies, it dies.
@@anasbenosman9761 I feel a spiritual connection to “if it dies it dies”. Late game my time is worth more than my economy.
"Time is money"
- @@garymcjerry
Turn 1: I lost 50 units instead of 49, guess im restarting the campaign
Turn 20: OK set up these guys here get this army in position get this flank in ... eh i lost a couple units but its finee
Turn 50: Get in the corner
Turn 120: Well guess i lost my main lords army, whatever shall we do!
The LegendofTotalWar bit should have had everything hidden and a block of cheese in the open.
Man, The 'Auto resolve = decisive defeat' one really cracked me up! Too accurate
Those speed runners really make me scratch my head when I read in the various forums "Yeah I play on very hard and I have the empire wiped out by turn 30" and I'm like "HOW??! Are you just not taking any losses in every battle?!" I mean I can maybe take a couple provinces by turn 30 depending on how many enemy armies are still up, but not wipe out one of the biggest factions by then lol.
Have you tried just following what they do? I know AI can be naturally unpredictable in tactics, but I finished many Med2 and R2 campaigns just by doing the exact same things.
It really bothers me when the game doesn’t set up the units in the order that they’re displayed in the unit cards. This is usually only a problem with artillery for me, but it’s very annoying when you have three artillery pieces for example and the first one in the order of the unit cards is actually the second one on the battlefield, the second one is the third one and the last is the first one. It makes no sense and is very infuriating. On top of that they then sometimes decide to rearrange themselves in the middle of battle, even though I only told them to move forward
the pain is real! but what do you mean only artillery?
even if i select e.g. 3 units of spearmen "a b c", their units cards are somehow arranged as "b c a"; if i directly select cards "a b c" and deploy them, they somehow deploy as "a c b". simply WTF especially if i hv a mix of units and a specific formation in mind
if you put them in a group it'll deploy them in the order of the cards.. I think
edit - ya I just tested in game, I'm right, throw your artillery in a group and they'll behave the way you desire. I know it's lame you need to do that but hope that helps
You can actually make it do it. Order the cards in the way you want them to be ordered but make sure you've moved each card atleast once otherwise it won't register the order they're in. Sometimes you'll have to move a card from where you want and then back again. No need for grouping.
yeah, have that shit happend with all sorts of units. horse archers are a riotous pain in the behind when you space them out perfectly in a square and they blob into a clump and gets caught by enemy when you tell them to turn around... soo fuck horse archers.
Yeah move each at least once and don't assign them to group until AFTER.
you forgot the people who need to rearrange unit cards according to how the formation is deployed
that's the 'other perfectionist' I believe.
@@ddenozor i think we deserve our own category as "card arrangers" or smthin like that
incredibly useful for checkboarding your formation
1. crisscross the melees and ranged unit cards
2. right click and adjust (you can rank-up/down here)
3. select all ranged units
4. down down down
What?! You can do that?? That would have been so useful, with the kitchensink I tend to field.
And there's me - a vanguard deployment and stalk enthusiast. Gotta love me some night goblin fanatics, minotaurs and bestigors lmao
I feel vanguard does not work well because the maps are so small and does not allow you to start on the flanks, behind the enemy or outside the walls.
@@Ragatokk At least in TW:WH2 there are small slivers of space in both corners behind the enemy, where you can deploy vanguard troops. Not being able to put them outside city walls is pretty dumb, though.
Nasty Skulkers!
And vanguard deployment can be amazing on most quest battles that allow deployment, some game changingly so, and certain army line ups.
I usually go try to get One that hunts unseen on at least 1 lord as any and every faction I play except ones with built in VG.
That's why the bigger maps mod was 100% a necessity, even though it made for some occasionally janky terrain features that the units would clip through...
Cringe
Nah The LegendofTotalWar one is utterly wrong. He'd definitely hide the whole army in the tree and rack up thousands of kills with the lord.
Or just use the lord to make the enemy waste all their ammo before moving in for an easy kill.
I have 5 years experience with total war and I'm still deploying like a noob
It triggered me so hard when you put the rocket battery at the left and not in the middle of the two cannons
Me too brotha😭😭😭 WE MUST HAVE SYMMETRY FOR AN EFFECTIVE ARMY
@@beyondspeaks fight in perfect harmony!
Oh, you know I gotta have my checkerboards. It gets a bit odd when I'm checkerboarding Slaanesh, but I like to think I make it work...
You mean there are other tactics, besides checkerboard? Crazy!
definitely the perfectionist. No idea why I spend so much time in deployment when I know full well its all going to fall apart as soon as the fighting starts
Speedrun ftw. You know you've made it in the campaign when you can just click deploy and right click the enemy lines.
Brought to you by Skrag, Taurox, Kholek, and Wulfric doomstacks.
What I tend to do is organize my units in the hotbar at the bottom of the screen and then select them on the bar and place them according to their position on the bar but keeping in mind their unit type. So lords and heroes are at the left most side, infantry to the right of that, then missles.
I even go so far as to make sure that the units on the hotbar are positioned according to where I actually place them. If I have 4 units of Cavalry and I want two on each flank then I'll make sure the cavarly on the left flank is also left on the hotbar compared to the right flank cavalry who'll be on the right side of the hotbar.
i do this too
"Generally, commanding of many is like commanding of a few. It is a matter of dividing them into groups" -sun tzu
I felt that "perfectionist" struggle. Also, I tend to deploy my entire army as far forward as it can go, because Vampire Counts was my favorite faction back in game 1, and minimizing the time to melee became a habit I can't shake.
I feel so called out for the "auto resolve = decisive defeat" LOL
Auto resolve decisive defeat was too real man, too real
“Checkerboard enthusiast” got me.
and then there's me, who puts my archers on skirmish all the way in the front of the deploy zone while my melee units hide in the trees in the bottom corner of the map
I’m a perfectionistic checkerboard corner camper
I feel attacked on that last one.
forgot the "hide all units except spellcaster in a forest"
"Decisive Deafeat" - goes to the corner... so true xD
AH, the holy "Corner tactic" that have save many of my campaigns
'decisive defeat' one cracked me up. SO TRUE.
There should be a category of the multiplayer perfectionist like me who plays the same match up with the same armies multiple times trying to figure out the best possible formations.
The perfectionist one is literally me LOL
gotta have the units in nice even formations
The nice thing is that WH3 has a lot of maps with easy to defend positions.
Always some kind of chasm or mountain ridge nearby to put my checker board between and put the game on max speed. :x
The noob will also forget their lord and cavalry that were off screen and have to run them up to the front lines when the battle starts, or alternatively discovery it about half way through the battle when they are isolated, surrounded, and at low health.
You forgot the corner camping every single fight no matter who or what you're playing player
Depends on the army, but , yup, harsh reality.
Ifeel attacked by the zooming in to see how deep is the line.
Legend of Total War is the Warhammer version of lockpicking lawyer.
>legend of total war
>not stacking all your troops except for one flying mage on top of eachother in the nearest treeline
I feel called out...
i once was the other perfectionist until one day, i drag the unit cards to match the units position, not the other way around
HAHA that auto resolve = decisive defeat into the corner is so fucking good.
I feel personally attacked.
LMAO that "Legendoftotalwar", I couldn't help but laugh so hard.
They've also done that so many times and that one strat where they just use a flying hero unit to draw all the arrows while sieging. rest of army is far back waiting
The last one really hit me and also i felt called out :D
I like the checker board one.
that last one got me XD!
Brilliant!
I especially like the Legend deployment
Love the call out for the retreat-abusers
What about the ol' classic 'ADHD procrastination formation(s)' where you deploy and redeploy over and over, getting everything just so until you realise some asshole put a small hill smack-bang in front of your warplightning cannons, and it dawns on you that the game is going to start in a few seconds so you accidentally right click with your whole army selected and it gets yeeted into a forest.
I am a checkerboard fanatic, what can I say I love gun lines.
I was a perfectionist because I liked saving battle replays and watching them again. But then I realized that literally any patches or mod changes will likely break your replays, so there goes a hundred hours of making perfectly 4 lined rectangular formations. 😅
0:38 CORNERS FOR THE GOD OF CORNERS !!!
The last one is basically every battle I did as Sparta in Rome 2.
Actually, if autoresolve = decisive defeat, in warhammer 3 I just slam all my infantry into the enemy army, cause it's 500 to 50 but autoresolve is broken af and thinks I lose.
He forgot the eternal corner camper.
Am i the only one who put a melee unit behind the artillery to protect it from retro charges of cavalry/war beasts?
I do that too but only if there's a lot of enemy cav / flankers and I want some reserves for line infantry.
Nah, I do it to. During my Skragg campaign, I usually had a unit of Gorgers back to defend my artillary. Make the enemy THINK it was vulnerable thanks to their Stalk and then..... BOOM! "Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!"
No, because you camp somewhere they can't reach your rear... Ideally using actual map terrain features, but corner I'd necessary...
Now, when dealing with dwellers below, always gotta leave one infantry to chase off the clan rats. XD
that last one was me when im heavily outnumbered in empires
The checkerboard fenatic and legend total war made me laugh.
As a Perfectionist, let me tell you this, all troops need to be in a Perfectly symetrical formation too Spears at the sides and back, Swords and Halberds at the front, Greatweapons in reserve, they cant be in a formation where the back rank has only 4 men, Unit cards need to be rearranged too to match the order in which they are standing and Range troops need to be a square so when they rotate they dont walk into the melee lines and destroy the symetry, cavalry also needs to be a rectangle with no asymetrical back rank and the Melee lord and heroes need to be in symetrical positions behind the troops first line and Weak Magicians need to be behind the Reserves
Also, after Placing, half that time again needs to be spend to admire your Handywork and look at how pretty the troops and formation look
Legend of total war here with another saving your disaster battle! Today we will be fighting khorne with nothing but a skaven slave doomstack!
I am furious at being called out for making all my infantry lines exactly even ranks and I will be lodging a formal complaint as soon as I am done arranging the unit order and card order to match.
*drags unit card one slot furter to the left in a group, only to have it get yeeted all the way in the last slot, so you have to touch all other unit cards so the get yeeted in the right oder*
“Auto-resolve = Decisive” is my favorite
Legend would at the very least make them a double line. Being blobby makes single entities fight better..
Also, in the last one the halberds in the middle?
I always focus fire the single entities in the middle, so I'd rather have them at the sides dealing with cav.
Halberds/spear units always cover flanks, swords (if you have any) for the middle. Those flanking cav have to be dealt with somehow! XD
@@EagleScoutmano So I am not the only one that thinks this.
@@Olav_Hansen in my hef lineup (I don't usually doomstack because that gets boring), and admittedly using myriad (170+) mods, so my lineup of units is vastly broader than vanilla... I use 3 regular swordsmen (basically HEF bleakswords) for the front, plus 2 halberdiers or spears for the flank. 3-5 lords/heroes, plus usually 8/9 (either 2 lines of 4, or 3 lines of 3) archer units. My last slot or two is either a monster (I appreciate the arcane and frostheart phoenix for different reasons) or a bolt thrower to force the enemy forward...
If I want to go end-game armies, the basic composition stays the same but the units get improved (swordmasters, Phoenix Guard, plus soa or similar level units from mods)
@@EagleScoutmano bleaksword is how they are called for def. Now that I think about it hef currently don't even have a bleaksword like unit.
@@Olav_Hansen exactly. The mods just call them 'swordsmen'.
What's funny is, because I have so many different mods, several of them add that type/tier sword unit to the HEF lineup, but the stats are slightly different for each (including one which is a clone of spears but swaps anti large for anti infantry, two or three that are clones of bleakswords stat distribution, and one that is almost mirroring the corsairs stat distribution)
Okay, the last one got me, guilty as charged. It's just too effective to pass up.
First thing I'm doing when I get this. Modding Cathay to use Shogun 2 dialogue
You're missing the tactician - i love creating tactical advantages, such as a few units in the front line being placed a bit more forward than their neighbours, leaving a gap just wide enough for a missile unit to stand behind one unit and shoot into the enemy's flanks while they're engaged, or creating small gaps in the line to allow gunners/arty to keep shooting untill the very last second
god i love this video
I laughed, I cried, I liked this video.
Definitely perfectionist
TW Veteran with Anti-Large in the centre and none to guard the flanks, sounds about right
Sometimes I still use the ol' noob square...
It's spot on many many levels, Legend probably would spam units in 2 lines after another, but ngl, it made me laugh xD
ive done corner camping so much in overland battles because i play as dwarfs mostly, its actually a problem, its spilling into other factions i play XD
My red flag is spending an hour creating the most historically accurate formations with just the correct amount of units.
And then losing.
that legend of total war killed me hahahah
perfection
I am guilty of the last one for almost every battle as the vampire coast.......
"The decisive defeat one" --- OH! You mean every battle :P
Hey, checkerboard fanatic, that’s me
the last one is legend of total war
XD
I like the checker board but ive used that and basic box before.
Nice to see that Legend gets his own. 👍
i have been all of these and will continue to be.
Nice position , i can use on it
This is gold
And there is me who says fk all and proceeds to do a battle role-play
last one was so true
Don't forget the classic noob square / noob circle!
One of the reasons why I don't play alot of MP is cause I can't stand not being able to deploy my hot sweaty men in neat little squares and rectangles
As a noob: i dont even know that you streched your troops like that
No flanking skirmisher junky? That'd be me
You forgot the lore friendly player who loses most battles :) We matter too!!
Missile infantry and corner camping with a few single entities to protect them!
100% the corner
There’s an easier way to do checkerboard. Arrange your units like melee archer melee, line them all up, select your archers and just press the down key.
HAHAHA The last one is absolute Me with Skaven in TWW2