If you want to mow your lawn on Sundays just get yourself a manual/non-motorized lawn mower. With a good one your are as fast as with a motorized one and it is not as much effort as your might think; just deduct it form the cardio exercise time in the gym.
I have really enjoyed your videos, but you making the experience about almost being scammed into an ad was a massive disappointment - in fact so much I now wonder if it was even an experience you made up! I get the need to have ads, but they need to be kept clearly separate from the real content of videos. Because when not they put question marks on everything, which means they degrade the value of the content.
1. Americans have little trust in the ability of government to actually represent their interests. This sort of thing is only possiable in a high trust society. 2.Policing at least in usa is not really about inforcing order or the law its mainly about containing and controling crimes that negatively effect business and property values since thats basically how local governments are funded. Source my uncle was a cop in chicago during the crack war era. 3. One u would have to massively increase a lot of the wages in a lot of these trades it the cost of having to pay for 4 years of schooling and apprenticeships to make a barbers salary is not really an economically satisfactory condition this especially so in the united states with the high cost of education and the fact most people are basically living paycheck to paycheck 4. Emergency vehicles get stuck in traffic because everybody gets stuck traffic inusa due to road design and the fact that everyone must drive because there isnt meaningful public transit and we have at will employment. That is to say in america ur basically robohired and robofired because in usa labor is basically treated as imput with a productivity coefficent which means u have basically the most miserable commute culture in the world. 5. To do this in usa u would need much more job security cause u need ro have job security to make a multi year schooling and apprenticeship worth it. There was a story where a business was apparently randomly robo firing people cause of apparent tardiness and the works thought was just regular corperate cost cutting bullshitery until it was found out that they forgot to adjust the tarfiness metric in their robo firing algorthem to account for LA traffic.
"Order is about ensuring respect to others" - never thought about it this way, but yes, that's the essence of the whole concept. Thank you for this piece of deeper knowledge and for the whole video. Quite humorous and accurate at the same time.😄👍
@@TypeAshton Good luck stopping a dog from barking. And if a trespasser is sneaking around in someone's back yard and that sets the dog off? Are both the trespasser and dog owner in trouble, or is that an exception for the dog owner?
@@Anon54387This is not about an occasional bark when someone is trespassing. It’s about dogs barking all day while their owners are gone or just don’t care. You are supposed to train the dog to be alone without barking all day or find solutions for them to not be alone. If you can’t stop your dog from barking, you need to put the work in instead of expecting your neighbors to just put up with it.
@@TypeAshton18:30 OK, you might want to learn a few tricks and "Schliche". A long word - Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsgesetz (it exists in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, and this is the SHORT name) - is an agglomeration of multiple words. Isolate them. See - (Schiffahrt-s-Straßen)- Ordnung, "Schiffahrt" is an idiom that has a higher binding power. So it's about the sea - and in this case, not "lake" but indeed sea, not riverboats (Binnen-Schiffahrt). You must have noticed that the "S" in the beginning of the word gets changed, either to a "z" - See, sechs, saugen - or a "sh" (ski, spitz, Stein, Storch). There's no consonant after S, so it's "Zee" - see "Zealand", and you got a good approximation. The next component in itself is a double-compound word, Schiffahrtsstraße, Pl. Schiffahrtsstraßen. (Ignore the "three f"-rule, use the old Bavarian rule of 1910 to strip three consonants ALWAYS down to 2, if you haven't gotten it after two f that you are supposed to say: "f", a third one won't matter. It's MUCH easier on the eyes.) Schiffahrt - "ship driving/sailing" - shouldn't be too hard, bind the two "F" sounds (that's why I advised to use the Bavarian compound rule of 1910). The "a" is longer. Add a genetive-s. It's complicated. Now what does belong to the "Schiffahrt"? A "street" or "lane". Schiffahrts-Straße thus is a shipping lane. A Seeschiffahrtsstraße - See - Schiffahrts-Straße - is a shipping lane for seaworthy ships, contrary to a Binnen-Schiffarts-Straße (shipping lane for riverboats). As there is in fact a whole net of Schiffahrtsstraßen in Europe, it's in the plural. And now to your beloved regulation: See - Schiffahrts-Straßen - Ordnung. Regulations for the shipping lanes of seaworthy ships. All in one compact package. If you know the components and how they play into each other, pronounciation is easy: just hold the "eh" from "See" a tad longer, add the Schiffahrtsstraßen, and begin anew with "Ordnung" (compare: "Norden" - "Straßenordnung"). Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsgesetz (as the name was read in parliament, some representatives spontanously burst into laughing): It's about Flesh from Cattle (Beef, Rindfleisch), and how it is marked (Etikett, Etikettierung). This marking of beef is under supervision (Überwachung); and to sort this out, you need a "layout-thing" aka "Gesetz" aka "law". Rindfleisch-glottal stop - Etikettierungs - new stress - Überwachungsgesetz. No problem combining two or even three components (Sauerstofflasche), after that you can also set dashes as it is pronounced as multiple rapid-fire words.
12:30 A huge part of German police training is deescalation, meanwhile US officers focus a lot of their limited training time on reacting fast on attacks against themselves. If you get trained that everything is dangerous you will behave like that.
@@cappuccinoloffler Good argument for even better training...and reinstated funding for neglegted and systematically dismantled social services so cops don't have to respond to everything.
@@cappuccinoloffler why do people shoot first? Because they rather be the one shooting than the one being shot at? If you know the police is trigger happy suspects will be trigger happy to. If the first thing the police does at a routine traffic stop is hold their hand on their gun, it makes sense people want to protect themselves.
In Denmark there was recently an outcry when the education to be a policeman was reduced from 3 years to 2 years before starting regular service (to complete the education and be able to get managing jobs, they would have to complete the education though). Police officers in the USA typically has about half a year or one year of education.
seit ich im Ausland gelebt habe und sehr viel international reise, sehe ich unser Land mit anderen Augen. Schön, dass du es auf den Punkt gebracht hast.
@@aqd4089Bürokratie bedeutet nicht unbedingt Ordnung. Sie kann auch eine Fassade sein, hinter der sich die Unordnung versteckt. Das sind dann die schlimmsten Bürokratien.
As a German who has traveled around the world quite a bit, I have to say that Germany, despite all its quirks and weaknesses, is well positioned in most relevant areas. You can always get better, but here in Germany you are already pretty spoiled (except for the quality of the internet connection).
We are Danish but have been living in Germany for 17 years now. When we renovated our house, I hated the rule that you could not make noise on sundays and every day between 13:00 and15:00 (although it is accepted for the first month or so, when you move in). And you are right, it usually rains for one month straight and the only time you have nice and dry weather are on Sundays.😂 The "Rettungsgasse" on the Autobahn is maybe the one German rule I like the most. It is now spreading to Denmark. 😊 I wish the notion of keep to the right lane would spread too. Of course it is there as a rule too but Danish drivers don't follow it. 😢
There is much to be said in favor of a rule-based society. I personally get somewhat annoyed when people liken that German sense of order to our Nazi history. National Socialism was the opposite of order. It was about making their own rules on the go, making random distinctions between ethnic groups, making things that were illegal legal on a whim and the other way around. "Ordnung muss sein" is a lesson, hopefully, that history has taught us.
The old strict rules for setting commas in a sentence in Danish is called "Hitlerkomma" and those are the rules we used in the European Commission as proof readers.😂 Newer rules were not consistent and more difficult to use.
The comparison has sometimes been applied unfairly, but the same people who were abused under the Nazizeit are abused by overly strict application of the cultural norms of Ordnung, and that should be a red flag against complacency. There is a rising political movement in Germany that would happily reinstate the worst applications of Ordnung and downplaying the effects of Ordnung on people who “don’t fit” is exactly how it comes back.
"It was about making their own rules on the go, making random distinctions between ethnic groups, making things that were illegal legal on a whim and the other way around." -- This reminds us of whom again?
I don't think that's a good principle. Most of the time it's a restriction of freedom against another restriction of freedom. My freedom to live restricts someone else's freedom to murder me.
Freedom isn't a binary concept; it exists on a spectrum, and what one person perceives as a limitation on their freedom, another may see as necessary for their own. Moreover, the application of this principle can reinforce existing power imbalances. Those in dominant positions may define the limits of freedom in ways that disproportionately affect marginalized groups, effectively justifying oppression under the guise of protecting freedoms. Additionally, the phrase can be misused to justify the restriction of individual rights, leading to authoritarian measures. For example, claiming to protect others' freedoms can result in limiting free speech or personal expression in ways that are harmful. While the intention behind the phrase may be to promote respect and coexistence, it doesn't account for the nuances of individual and collective rights, making it a flawed guideline for navigating complex social dynamics.
@@truthseeker4084 It is a flawed principle, however I will argue, that far more often than this principle will "reinforce existing power imbalances" to "restrict individual freedom" of many, those existing power imbalances will be reinforced by a lack of regulation and a lack of someone pointing to the freedom of someone else. Just as we currently see in America the authoritarian visions of billionaires trying to enforce their power against any democratic measures that might restrict their freedom, but should save the freedom of future generations. Especially when billionaires use their absurd "corporate" version of "freedom of speech" to silence the voices of many truly marginalized groups.
@@truthseeker4084 its really more about different interpretations of freedom of speech, at least in the way ive heard it used. the united states version of it allows anyone to say anything, including promotion of hate crimes and racial violence. in germany, that'll get you fined, because we dont let people rant about how they want to mass murder their chosen minority publicly. its just common sense.
@@truthseeker4084 Trust humans to corrupt anything and everything in their strive for power, even innocent proverbs. Like all proverbs and general rules of thumb, of course this one lacks nuance, too. That doesn't mean that all rules of thumb are useless. It just means that you have to use your "gesunden Menschenverstand" when and where to apply them, and to stay true to their intended purpose. I think that this rule in particular is a good starting point for respectful coexistence, especially when paired with "all humans share the same basic human rights".
"Handle nur nach derjenigen Maxime, durch die du zugleich wollen kannst, dass sie ein allgemeines Gesetz werde“ (Kategorischer Imperativ, Immanuel Kant). Das ist es, warum es gehen sollte.
Easier: You are willing to do something painful, if you are sure, everybody is following the painful rule. Like "Don't walk on the green". If everybody does it, it's OK for you. But only then.
You have put it in a nutshell: The reason for order is respect for others. It annoys me no end when people (foreigners and Germans alike) seem to think order is a way to somehow subjugate the population, on the contrary. It is there to protect people from bullies with no respect for others. Like for example the quiet orders - people turning up their blaring music during the night may have a good time themselves, but they make sure nobody else can do what THEY would like in their spare time (sleeping, having quiet conversations, reading a book which needs concentration... Your idea of putting our Ausbildungssystem under 'order' confused me at first, because I wouldn't have thought of it that way, but in a sense you are right. It's the feeling you can depend on work being done right (well, more or less - with the decline of academic levels in schools I have a feeling we are in for growing disappointment in that area) which just leaves you free to do your own thing without controlling and checking and complaining about subpar work which is time consuming and leaves negative feelings all around.
For me, the same sentiment also goes for time and meeting people/appointments. Being late means you are not respecting others and the value of their time.
Actually I would disagree with her on the "Ausbildung" thing. In Austria we have exactly the same system (duales Bildungssystem) but still every german I met that moved here for work or university so far was completely confused by our laid back work ethincs and disorganised lifestyle.
Have you ever thought about other people not minding if others are cheerful or listen to music because they actually like it that way? Different cultures have varying perceptions of order and freedom. What feels like respectful order to one person might feel like rigid control to another. That is why many Germans are perceived as cold abroad. I live in Spain now and I moved here intentionally because I want the noise, I want to hear people having fun, I can relax like that better than living in a dark, cold country with no social stuff going on. Order should enhance quality of life, not diminish it. Also, the idea that order stems from respect can be misused to justify authoritarian practices. People in positions of power might invoke the need for order as a means to control or subjugate others, suggesting that strict regulations or limitations on freedoms are necessary for the greater good, when in fact they may serve to entrench power imbalances. Different individuals and cultures have varying interpretations of what respect entails. What one person sees as a respectful order may feel oppressive to another. You are not alone on this planet, so also consider those who dont think like you, your opinion is just one of million others.
@@truthseeker4084 You enjoying a lively surrounding doesn't prove different forms of respects. It just proves different forms of personal needs. Or will you honestly argue, that it's disrespectful to you to be quiet when you wish for background noise? I'm reminded of smokers that "invented" the concept of militant non smokers to create some kind of false equivalence of annoyance, that retroactively justifies their behavior.
Talking about the German way to repair the highways, one of my major irritations as a Dutchman visiting Germany. In the Netherlands the authorities will close the highway for one weekend, plan all jobs well, even work overnight and gets the job done. In Germany they close half the lanes as planned, hardly do any work and fix the job in about 10 years. Creating everlasting traffic jams. How long did it took them the upgrade the Autobahn at Hamburg? Perhaps 20 years? Very orderly, but can it perhaps with some more efficiency?
Agree 100%. We should learn a lot about efficiency with road repairs from other countries. Not just on motorways. They are improving internet cables in a lot of places at the moment. They tend to close down whole areas for months and then work on them bit by bit with long breaks in between because another profession is not lined up correctly.
the problem lies elsewhere, for example budget restrictions and continuity...! if a planned construction site costs more than the available annual budget allows, the work is "stretched" based on the costs on the other hand, we have construction sites that are completed very quickly, but only because so much of the budget was saved that there is money left over. This would ben cut by the bureaucrats for the next year, according to the motto "you don't need that much money, you still have money left over" so the "status quo" mentality has prevailed. In order to avoid getting less budget money next year, money is then "wasted" on other areas that more or less still fit into the rest of the budget, instead of continuing the actual construction site
Holland ist klein, und hat weniger Verkehr, Deutschland sitzt in der Mitte, ganz Europa fährt durch Deutschland, da kann man es sich nicht erlauben den Verkehr komplett dicht zu machen, man muss die unzähligen Autobahnen bei fließendem Verkehr reparieren..
on the other Side look how far up to the north we are, the biggest island in the James bay(Hudson Bay Canada) is the most southern point for Icebears 53°03' north, Hamburg is also 53°31'north
Thanks and congratz on the 100k! Love the blooper reel at the end, very recognizable. I speak Dutch, a Germanic language, but even I trip up on some of the German tongue twisters.
About a month ago we went on a five-day trip to Hamburg from Malmö, Sweden. We appreciated how calm and friendly everything was, and how little car traffic there was outside the main road arteries through the city centre. Actually, it's much more stressful to go to Stockholm! Also, a comment on Autobahn traffic: People seem to drive quite freely regarding to speed - albeit always making clear tyhat you don't disturb your fellow drivers on the road. But if there is a speed restriction (usually due to construction work), people keep that speed limit RIGOROUSLY. Many years ago, I was driving with the family through the whole of Germany to Vienna in my venerable Land Rover Defender, which was just not possible to get over 130 km/hour. In the Harz mountains around Kassel, there are only two lanes in each direction, and somehow I had to overtake some of the heavy trucks on the road. EVERYONE politely lined up behind us until we had passed - then it was about getting into the right lane again as fast as possible, and then everybody passed in at least 160 km/hour. At least in parts of Sweden many would have started to honk and flash their lights on me. Not here. Not a hint of irritation.
I thought it to be the other way round 😂. Swedes ever so tolerant and forthcoming. Even chanting at the very thought of a new nuclear plant being built and put in service... 😅 A consensus society...
@@Julie-qc8cd We knew we would. And when doing my diligent research before our trip, I discovered NDR:s fantastic films which are published here on TH-cam! We have been many times to Germany, but it's AGES since I visited Hamburg last time, and then only briefly. Ein wunderschönen Stadt!
I remember when we for the first time were passing the steep hills near Kassel in our small heavily loaded VW Polo. We were so scared when we were overtaking lorries downhill because if they were empty they were faster than us. We always hesitated to find the right spot, so we would not get in the way a few hundred metres later. I much later swore that I would not buy a car that could not accelerate up a hill near Findel airport in Luxembourg, but that is now almost 20 years ago 😊
Hallo, erst mal Herzlichen Glückwunsch zu 100.000 Abonnenten ;) Und, natürlich gibt es beides in Bezug auf die Ordnung: manchmal nervt es, aber meistens hilft es.
Congratulations on 100K! You put so much work into your videos, it really makes Sunday mornings something special. Always impeccably researched and presented with style & confidence (and citations). Wish there were more channels like yours.
The Nordic countries like Finland and Sweden have many similarities with Germany like old Lutheran traditions since the Protestant Reformation even if nowadays they are very secular societies and religion is seen as a private matter. For instance the Finns appreciate punctuality with meetings and a red traffic light means you don't across the street as a pedestrian. Police education in Finland is provided by the Police University College in Tampere. The basic police degree is a Bachelor's degree, and it takes three years to complete the studies.
That‘s very interesting. Do your police officers have practical training during their studies? I think a significant advantage in the Ausbildung here in Germany is that the „student“ is at least half the time „working“ in their job - meaning their employer shows them how to do the task and they will practice it. The rest of the time they go to school. I don’t know how exactly it is done for police officers, but they certainly get involved in every day police life.
@@Edda-Online During the Bachelor of Police Services degree studies, students learn practical knowledge and skills needed in police work. The degree qualifies to the position of a Senior Constable. Upon graduation, the police officers usually work in basic tasks in public order and security activities or in crime prevention. The graduates of the Police University College can apply for open positions in police departments and other units, such as the National Bureau of Investigation and the Finnish Security Intelligence Service. Finnish police officers are considered trustworthy in the same way as medical doctors. They had to use firearms very rarely, and in most cases the police can handle the situation with a reasonable talk. In 2000-2024 only 12 people have died because the Finnish police officers have had to use of force and firearms in extreme circumstances.
@@Edda-Online During the Bachelor of Police Services degree studies, students learn practical knowledge and skills needed in police work. The degree qualifies to the position of a Senior Constable. Upon graduation, the police officers usually work in basic tasks in public order and security activities or in crime prevention. The Finnish police officers are also seen highly trustworthy by the citizens just like medical doctors, and they can handle most of cases with a reasonable talk.
@ Thanks! Sounds similar to here - not too surprising. I remember during my childhood there was a big campaign to change the police image into „Police - your friend and helper!“. It’s still their slogan. But I assume that’s the way it is in most of Europe. Have a nice day!
Herzlichen Glückwunsch zu 100.000 Abonnenten. Man darf auch am Sonntag Rasen mähen, allerdings nur mit Mähern ohne Motor, also Spindelmäher. Das spart dann das Fitnesscenter
Ashton, you made just my day and gave a wide smile on my face! Sometimes it is just necessary and feels good to be reminded how awesome it is to live in Germany. Thank you! I really like the „Rettungsgasse“ and the „Reissverschlussverfahren“ in car traffic. I enjoy having so few „Karens“ here and that you have no problem going on a walk at night risking to be harmed by anyone. I enjoy the quiet Sunday and that that being considerate is even regulated by rules. I appreciate how much order and service is just so normal, that we just do not notice it. „everything in order“ means also „being well organized“ and that makes life much easier even when there some minor issues by following the rules.
There are several things, about German order, that I truly love. (Being from Denmark). Driving on the autobahn, because of common mentality. Awareness of the environment, and our impact on it. I love Germany more than my own country, because of this obsession with living by rules. It makes everything very easy.....
We are from Denmark, now living next to Trier, and when we are driving back to Denmark we notice that many of the cars overtaking and disregarding the speed limit at roadworks north of Hamburg are from Denmark. And they are so slow at moving back to the right lane when we try to pass them a few minutes later, when the speed limit is away.
My personal favorite is the BEDÜRFNISANSTALTEN-BENUTZUNGSORDNUNG which is (was?) attached to the exterior of restroom doors in some subway stations, expecting you to acknowledge that code of conduct before entering.
In the magazine "Der Spiegel" and others you can read the following again and again: The widely recognized British institute - "Anholt-GfK Nation Brands Index" - annually determines how 50 countries are perceived worldwide. To do this, the image is examined in important categories such as exports, government, culture, population, tourism, immigration/investment, etc. Germany had usually taken first place in the rankings in previous years. This year too, the Federal Republic performed extremely positively in all areas examined. It was able to gain worldwide recognition, especially in the categories of culture, government and population, and has thus defended its deserved first place for many years in a row.
@@1972Ray Im weltweiten Vergleich sind wir immer noch Spitze und nur im Vergleich mit uns selbst sind wir - wegen den unreifen Jugendlichen der aktuellen Regierung - mächtig abgefallen.
@@1972Ray Well, these are issues not unique to Germany. Most economic powerhouses are in recession and most western countries have an issue with wave of aging baby boomers.
@@1972Raythats not what is necessary to fix how OTHERS see it... but to guve you a perspective: has already been worse and the restnof the world struggles too, many even more
There are also two different types of rules, and everyone in germany can differentiate. The ones, that you have to obey and which are monitored and fined (like crossing red lights). Those are the ones, that pose immediate danger to others. And the ones, that more or less "defining the responability if something happens". If you mow you lawn on sunday and your neighbours are fine with it, you will not be tracked down by the Ordnungsamt. We also have the saying "Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter." (Where's no plaintiff, there's no judge.) It's all about responsbility. If you do not endanger or annoy others, you are free to do your stuff. There is a rule in law theory: Every right ist exclusive. If you have the right to play loud music, then someone else does not have the right to have a quiet environment. If you have the right to fire your employee within short time, it affects his freedom to speak openly to you and it affects the right of his children to live in a stable environment. If law does not pose limits to people, then the strongest and most aggressive have the most freedom. German rules seem to maximise freedom for the society overall. We give up a bit of our freedom in certain areas to gain more in others.
I recently watched a TH-cam video featuring a former Singaporean Minister discussing how Chinese philosophy emphasizes harmony, contrasting it with the Roman and later Western focus on law and order. If I recall correctly, he described America as a "meta society," which I thought was a spot-on observation. When it comes to Germany, I believe the strong sense of order is actually a relatively recent development, likely dating back no more than about two hundred years. In one episode of In Our Time with Melvyn Bragg, where they discuss British perceptions of Germany, there’s an interesting observation: British soldiers who fought alongside German troops at Waterloo described the Germans as quite disorganized and messy. This perspective highlights how Germany’s reputation for order may have evolved significantly over the last two centuries.
No, many of the current systems go back deep into the middle ages, like vocational training for most crafts and their associated guilds. But back then there was never an "germany", but hundrets of small countries within germany. And each of them had their very own rules that did not always match with the others. So if you looked from an outside over whole of german lands it might have looked like chaos, but it was very orderly within its little countries.
I agree with axell here. The strongly regulated crafts are surely due to the guilds in medieval cities. And for those the "order" they enforced , I would guess, more a tool to controll access to the craft and to keep fellow craftsmen in line than it is a way to ensure quality. Ot at least it's both. I guess, the fact that in Germany administrative cultures developed on much smaller scales than in many other, more centraliced countries has to have some influence on this question too. But the fact that individual lines of development reach back to the Middle Ages does not, of course, mean that this love of order as a whole cannot be a fairly recent phenomenon. About the disorderly German soilders: I'd argue that in the case of soldiers, their level of orderliness is less a reflection of their culture than of their level of training. What is a Meta-Society though?
No rules without exception. While it is forbidden to use motorized lawnmowers on sundays, manual lawnmowers are allowed! And now i have to clean up my room until it looks orderly.
Noise, that's why. Sweating is much quieter than engine noises, even if electric engines are already much quieter. These might not disturb the neighbours.
I love your videos and I've been following you for a year now. I get the impression Germany grows on you. I have a friend from Spain, who is a teacher in Berlin, and she has become German over time. At first she struggled not only with the language but with the culture, but not anymore. Now she doesn't want to even go back to Spain. And I hear similar stories from other foreigners like you in Germany. They start assimilating and then don't want to leave back to their own countries. I haven't been to Germany yet, but I study German history, especially related to art and music, and I find that it becomes like an addictive mission for me to find out more about Germany. It's a bit hard to explain. Personally for me order is very important. I hate living in chaos or in a place where people feel they can do whatever they want in the name of freedom. Based on your video, Germany's approach to order really appeals to me. What I get from watching your video is a great sense of security which is a luxury in many places these days. Thanks for sharing.
Regarding your struggle with Seeschifffahrtsstraßenordnung. Its one of the famous compound nouns. Try cutting it to the individual nouns. See-Schiff-Fahrt(s)-Straßen-Ordnung. And then speak them one by one. Afterwards you can try to speed up and reduce the pauses in between. I could imagine that helps. :)
I spent 4 years in the US and I can relate to your culture clash experiences. Now the flip-side of orderly proceedings is the speed of progress. I was stunned at the pace things are happening in the US. Yes, things are often less thoroughly executed or built, but it a lot quicker. The US is highly standardized. I noticed the differences without judgement. At the end, I returned home graciously. Reisen bildet. Mehr Leute sollten es machen.
Well, Baden-Württemberg (the state where Freiburg/Breisgau is located) is the German epitome of "Ordnungsliebe", Keyword: Kehrwoche. And before it became legally restricted (for environmental reasons), washing your car right in front of your home was an unofficial weekend "duty" all over Germany…
"Kehrwoche" is more of a Swabian thing. Here in Baden you'll more often find a more pragmatic approach: You take care of your staircase landing and the steps leading down to the next landing. Easy as that.
Especially the inhabitants of the Schwabenland. They are always neat & busy, always wake up early and never... I said NEVER waste money. Cars nowadays are regularly washed inside the carwash.
The strong sense of order, once you understand it, is one of the key things that makes Germany a pleasant place to live. Much of Germany is pretty densely packed and without the order and "respect" for others it would not be so nice a place. On a personal note, I experienced the same quiet hour problem that you did. I lost track of time and was finishing mowing my lawn at 18:10 on a Saturday and was politely told by a neighbor that I was doing something improper and disturbing the peace of the neighborhood. I had no problem and just let it wait until Monday. It probably doesn't hurt my understanding by being, like you, of German ancestry and may be genetically programmed for this. You are also very correct about the sticking to the "zipper method" when traffic merges. Great video, keep up the good work!
@@SharienGaming I'm dutch and a long time ago i had to study a german computer book together with another student in a classroom. We each had a copy. Within 15 minutes we were searching for the longest word. Probably we were triggered by the german word for disk: plattenspeicherdatei 😄
@@TypeAshton german is like lego. just take the pieces apart and say/lean them properly one by one, then basically just say them in order "without a space" between them. easy.
Very good video. Your comment about the "Ordnung" being less about "Verbot" but more to do with respect for each other was right on the mark! Also, ..... what on earth made you decide to incorporate "Seeschifffahrtsstrassenordnung" into your list. Courageous but, OH BOY! 😂
I am still good friends with my German language teacher in the USA when I took a few courses before moving overseas. I sent her this word to give to her first year German students as a tongue twister.
Thanks for this great video and congrats on 100k subs! But as order must be: Here is an important correction: An "Ordnungswidrigkeit" is not equivalent to a U.S. misdemeanor but rather a civil infraction because it never carries a potential jail sentence, but rather a fine only. "Misdemeanor" is best translated as "Vergehen" (a lesser crime that carries a maximum of something like 93 days of jail in e.g. Michigan or a lesser fine, or "a lesser imprisonment" or a fine in Germany). "Felony" is then roughly equivalent to a "Straftat" that carries a minimum of one year of imprisonment in Germany. It's "imprisonment" for "Freiheitsstrafe" because there is no difference in Germany that would be equivalent to jail vs. prison.
4:40 which should be enforced harder in my opinion. If a dog is barking a ton its either untrained and unruly or beeing left alone for an extended period of time, which is not a good way to treat a dog. So that law actually is to protect the well beeing of dogs as well as ensure the dogs are trained and behaved enough to not cause harm to others. We have neighbours who have a dog and that fella is not trained at all, barks and growls at a lot of strangers walking by and is regularly beeing left alone at home the worst was when he barked for almost 5 hours non stop and actually lost his voice more and more over the time.
latest thing is more and more places prohibiting lawn-mowing-robots to be run at night. This is to protect wild animals who are out at night and whose life is threatened by operating lawn-mowing-robots. So it´s order out of respect again. Admittedly a perspective I didn´t have so far.
I love your presentation! One comment: "Ordnung" is not only respect to others, though I like this piece of insight. For my personal (German) life, "Ordnung" simply makes life a lot easier. - If I find my tools at the right place, I don't loose time in searching. - "Ordnung" creates space: If my garage is well organized, I find always space for more. - If my day is well organized, it becomes more efficient. I am not late for appointments. I think, "Ordnungsliebe" is part of a person's character and self education, when you get older.
the dark side to the training culture is that entry barriers to even simple jobs are so high that employers cant find workers and people cant find jobs.
Nope. Because if the employeer wsnts workers and they can't find any, what will they do ? a) pay money to attract more people with the necessary qualifications or b) train their new employees to get the necessary skills The only reason their is a shortage of skilled workers is - companies don't want to pay a higher wage Or - people are just too self centered and too egoistic to do certain jobs (Cleaning the seewers, becomiya firr fighter, becoming a paramedic) The culture of long training for your job is the best culture
because the saying, that you have to be silent on Sunday and after 10pm, seems to lead to misunderstandings, a minor correction. You have to be as silent as possible at every time. There are but some exception for necessary tasks which can be louder outside of silent hours. @outtakes: between Schiff and Fahrt in Seeschifffahrtsstraßenordnung is no "s" ;)
It goes even further, if you think about it. Companies, who want to provide training, must have a certificate that they have a trained trainer. So employment training is highly standardised here, and the quality is as ensured, as possible.
There are more than 600 different dual vocational trainings for journeymen and commercial trades and more than another 100 jobs in school based training for educators, arr and health care. That is why about half of pupils start a vocational training after school, while about the other half starts a study. The Ordnungsamt is like the municipality police in the US with fewer powers as it is not the police, as the police is a matter of the federal states. And at the end of life, there is even the Friedhofsordnung.
Working with Germans in engineering sometimes presents a challenge 😂 I personally love their attitude to order and planning . No idle talk or chit chat when the task is at hand ; they take their work seriously .
Interesting observations. Our band's singer has been living in Heidelberg for the past 5 years. He essentially agrees with you, and adds: "The expectation that everyone will pack their groceries as fast as a machine at the grocery store checkout can become frustrating if you let it, as can people, particularly older people, constantly telling you that you're doing something wrong, but the flip side is that the streets are clean, most everything works, and it's extremely safe. My daughters tell me they feel safer in Germany than in the UK or US, just in general."
I think that this "order" you describe is another way of explaining: "personal freedom ends where it affects the personal freedom of another person". Your example with mowing the lawn goes into that direction - there are "quiet times" in germany that are intended for people to be able to relax - thats why sunday and every evening after 22:00 is a quiet time. I also am annoyed at times by that, because I do a lot of DIY projects and not beeing able to work on them on Sunday is annoying at times. On the other hand I am equally annoyed if somebody else does not respect sundays quiet time and I cannot relax from a hard week.
Now that you've mastered "Seeschifffahrtsstraßen-Ordnung" it's time to tackle "Donaudampfschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft" 🤪
As a german I love Ordnung, of course. It comes down to pain when we overdo it e.g. building houses or it becomes pain when industries have competition disadvantages internationally (e.g. Environment)
Again my enjoyable Sunday morning coffee with Type Ashton. As well as always entertaining, they inspire thought. Your reference to stereotyping reminded me that I have long thought that considering stereotyping as negative is misguided. In my opinion, stereotypes are usually based on reality. Germans, generally are orderly. Americans, generally are open and friendly. Most cultures have unique characteristics that permeate throughout the population. I really don’t see stereotypes as always negative.
Great video ... even gives me as a German a lot to think about ... cool Bloopers: it is alway a good idea to split these (German) compound words into the single words there are created with ... express them separately with a pause and then (slowly) try to reconnect them 🙂
Oh. That’s a great idea! Especially since there seems to be a notion that only in the past inventions were made by Germans. Now we’re apparently only good in coming up with regulations (e.g. European Laws like the AI Act, digital Service act and so forth)… Why is that? Is it true? Maybe is it even good? Maybe the Silicon Valley is the birthplace of digital innovation and Brussels is the hallmark of respectful orderly usage of said innovations? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, @typeAshton
As a German, I am not sure if I agree with all you are saying in this vid. But this video certainly makes me think... and I guess this is a good thing. Anyway, to your point, I think that "Ordnung" isn't as present as it should be in Germany. Keep up the good work, I think it is important that people form all over the world listen to eachother, and it is good to get an outside view... although you and your familiy are not really outsiders anymore. Good to have you here!
Totally agree on pretty much everything you said. Also, have you ever played the card game "Skat"? Not to be confused with the 31 point game called "Scat", a similar version of which is called "Schwimmen" or "Knack" in German. Skat is the most regulated, orderly, and hence German, card game there is. The cards even have to be cut and distributed in a very specific way defined by the rules 😂
Gute Morgen Ashton, That was another good video about "order". It strikes me again how many similarities there are between Germany and the Netherlands and that does not only include the speech. A binder we call an "ordner". If you were to make a video about the same subject about the Netherlands, you would be done in 5 minutes.. for the few differences that there are. I had a mechanic internship at Siemens Medical Technology in Amsterdam in the 1970's ... even in Amsterdam in the office everything was in German and a lot of paperwork. My wife was the manager of a Schlecker drugstore in the Netherlands ... she spent more time on endless paperwork than on running the store. But all this makes it easy for us to deal with Germans in Germany and abroad ... we understand each other.. but the Dutch are just a bit "easier".
100K , well done! Competent workers, what an amazing but sadly lost goal especially in NA where passion and craftsmanship are lacking. When I drove in Germany last year I observed the high road construction standards and driver discipline, so nice.
Good Video, a bit provocative at the beginning but it was ok because at the end you got the right conclusion: A quote from ym apprenticeship "wer einer Vorschrift nur entspricht weil gerade der Chef in Sicht wird schmerzhaft oft erfahren, was Einsicht könnte ihm ersparen" translated "Anyone who only complies with a rule because the boss is in sight will often find out painfully what insight could save them" Order is not about a thing for itself there are senses behind. If anything went wrong we are watching about the orderly way in order to find out when something went wrong and why.....and mostly we find out: Someone did not follow the order.... Order gives orientation how to behave in order to reach not only someones goal but also societie´s goal. it is the foundation for a well-functioning complex society (or do you prefer going back to the stoneage? The right of the stronger one?)
I love your videos. I am a retired US Army soldier that was stationed in Würzburg and Stuttgart. I always enjoyed the orderly conduct of the German people. Maybe because I’m military I fall into the same category? For me driving in Germany was a joy compared to where I grew up in Miami area. You always knew what to expect from other drivers in Germany. First thing we learned when we arrived in Germany was never mess with the Polizei. 😂
Oh man, I don't know exactly how to describe it.... Like, my brain knows "okay this is what I'm supposed to do" but then what comes out of my mouth is completely wrong.
The irony is since moving to Dresden I noticed a lot of people do cross when the light is red but there are no cars. Might just be a city thing. I appreciate the Sunday ruhtag, partly because it means that I don't feel the need to run a lot of errands since I can't! I do hate the levels of bureaucracy, though, since I ran into a specific law that even the person working at the consulate thinks is stupid.
Sea ship driveway rule(s) Lange wörter lassen sich viel einfacher sprechen mit einer mikropause zwischen den einzelnen zusammengefügten wörtern: See-schiff-fahrt(s)-strassen-ordnung.
Great video😊 But besides the proverb "Ordnung muss sein", there is also another one: "Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter" (where there is no plaintiff, there won't be a judge). So, you might as well break the rules, if no one is bothered. Sure, can be quite difficult if you want to mow the lawn in a city on a Sunday. But in rural areas it could apply 😊
I just spent a week in a Maiorca resort which, of course, was half filled with Germans. Plenty of nice, lovely and agreeable ones around, no doubt, but pretty much every time a guest was rude, disorderly, jumped queues or anything like that, it was a German. It could just be the numbers, since they were the majority of guests, but in my experience, and most of the people I know, orderly is something many Germans do in Germany, perhaps, but anywhere else they have a habit of considering themselves above the rules that apply to every one else. Any tourist area where you see someone jumping a queue, standing in front of something in a museum in a way no one else can enjoy it, occupying loungers with towels and disappearing for hours, and and and… The odds are, it’s a German
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"Rücksicht" and "rücksichtslos" are very important parts/words in German culture. - But I always struggle to translate them properly.
If you want to mow your lawn on Sundays just get yourself a manual/non-motorized lawn mower. With a good one your are as fast as with a motorized one and it is not as much effort as your might think; just deduct it form the cardio exercise time in the gym.
I have really enjoyed your videos, but you making the experience about almost being scammed into an ad was a massive disappointment - in fact so much I now wonder if it was even an experience you made up!
I get the need to have ads, but they need to be kept clearly separate from the real content of videos. Because when not they put question marks on everything, which means they degrade the value of the content.
1. Americans have little trust in the ability of government to actually represent their interests. This sort of thing is only possiable in a high trust society.
2.Policing at least in usa is not really about inforcing order or the law its mainly about containing and controling crimes that negatively effect business and property values since thats basically how local governments are funded. Source my uncle was a cop in chicago during the crack war era.
3. One u would have to massively increase a lot of the wages in a lot of these trades it the cost of having to pay for 4 years of schooling and apprenticeships to make a barbers salary is not really an economically satisfactory condition this especially so in the united states with the high cost of education and the fact most people are basically living paycheck to paycheck
4. Emergency vehicles get stuck in traffic because everybody gets stuck traffic inusa due to road design and the fact that everyone must drive because there isnt meaningful public transit and we have at will employment. That is to say in america ur basically robohired and robofired because in usa labor is basically treated as imput with a productivity coefficent which means u have basically the most miserable commute culture in the world.
5. To do this in usa u would need much more job security cause u need ro have job security to make a multi year schooling and apprenticeship worth it. There was a story where a business was apparently randomly robo firing people cause of apparent tardiness and the works thought was just regular corperate cost cutting bullshitery until it was found out that they forgot to adjust the tarfiness metric in their robo firing algorthem to account for LA traffic.
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"Order is about ensuring respect to others" - never thought about it this way, but yes, that's the essence of the whole concept. Thank you for this piece of deeper knowledge and for the whole video. Quite humorous and accurate at the same time.😄👍
Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching!
To be on time is the respect of the others' time.
That is also why Germans are so anoyed by the delayed long distance trains.
@@TypeAshton Good luck stopping a dog from barking. And if a trespasser is sneaking around in someone's back yard and that sets the dog off? Are both the trespasser and dog owner in trouble, or is that an exception for the dog owner?
@@TypeAshton Sorry, but the Germans have a very weak and also distorted concept of human rights.
@@Anon54387This is not about an occasional bark when someone is trespassing. It’s about dogs barking all day while their owners are gone or just don’t care. You are supposed to train the dog to be alone without barking all day or find solutions for them to not be alone. If you can’t stop your dog from barking, you need to put the work in instead of expecting your neighbors to just put up with it.
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@@TypeAshton18:30 OK, you might want to learn a few tricks and "Schliche".
A long word - Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsgesetz (it exists in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, and this is the SHORT name) - is an agglomeration of multiple words. Isolate them.
See - (Schiffahrt-s-Straßen)- Ordnung, "Schiffahrt" is an idiom that has a higher binding power.
So it's about the sea - and in this case, not "lake" but indeed sea, not riverboats (Binnen-Schiffahrt). You must have noticed that the "S" in the beginning of the word gets changed, either to a "z" - See, sechs, saugen - or a "sh" (ski, spitz, Stein, Storch). There's no consonant after S, so it's "Zee" - see "Zealand", and you got a good approximation.
The next component in itself is a double-compound word, Schiffahrtsstraße, Pl. Schiffahrtsstraßen. (Ignore the "three f"-rule, use the old Bavarian rule of 1910 to strip three consonants ALWAYS down to 2, if you haven't gotten it after two f that you are supposed to say: "f", a third one won't matter. It's MUCH easier on the eyes.)
Schiffahrt - "ship driving/sailing" - shouldn't be too hard, bind the two "F" sounds (that's why I advised to use the Bavarian compound rule of 1910). The "a" is longer.
Add a genetive-s. It's complicated.
Now what does belong to the "Schiffahrt"? A "street" or "lane". Schiffahrts-Straße thus is a shipping lane. A Seeschiffahrtsstraße - See - Schiffahrts-Straße - is a shipping lane for seaworthy ships, contrary to a Binnen-Schiffarts-Straße (shipping lane for riverboats). As there is in fact a whole net of Schiffahrtsstraßen in Europe, it's in the plural.
And now to your beloved regulation: See - Schiffahrts-Straßen - Ordnung. Regulations for the shipping lanes of seaworthy ships. All in one compact package.
If you know the components and how they play into each other, pronounciation is easy: just hold the "eh" from "See" a tad longer, add the Schiffahrtsstraßen, and begin anew with "Ordnung" (compare: "Norden" - "Straßenordnung").
Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsgesetz (as the name was read in parliament, some representatives spontanously burst into laughing): It's about Flesh from Cattle (Beef, Rindfleisch), and how it is marked (Etikett, Etikettierung). This marking of beef is under supervision (Überwachung); and to sort this out, you need a "layout-thing" aka "Gesetz" aka "law".
Rindfleisch-glottal stop - Etikettierungs - new stress - Überwachungsgesetz. No problem combining two or even three components (Sauerstofflasche), after that you can also set dashes as it is pronounced as multiple rapid-fire words.
The German Chaos is still pretty orderly. I love that statement. 🤣👍🏻
That's because Chaos is only created by contradicting rules, by having too many rules, not by disobey.
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Ngl, that is spot on lol.
Ordentlicher Beitrag, saubere Arbeit. Alles korrekt und schön rechtwinklig. Entspricht alles der DIN-Norm für Ordnung. 10/10 Thank you. : ))
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12:30 A huge part of German police training is deescalation, meanwhile US officers focus a lot of their limited training time on reacting fast on attacks against themselves. If you get trained that everything is dangerous you will behave like that.
"If all you have is a hammer everything starts to look like a nail" and all that.
That's certainly true, but if you live in a country where people shoot immediately and think later, it makes sense to protect yourself first
@@cappuccinoloffler Good argument for even better training...and reinstated funding for neglegted and systematically dismantled social services so cops don't have to respond to everything.
@@cappuccinoloffler why do people shoot first? Because they rather be the one shooting than the one being shot at?
If you know the police is trigger happy suspects will be trigger happy to. If the first thing the police does at a routine traffic stop is hold their hand on their gun, it makes sense people want to protect themselves.
In Denmark there was recently an outcry when the education to be a policeman was reduced from 3 years to 2 years before starting regular service (to complete the education and be able to get managing jobs, they would have to complete the education though).
Police officers in the USA typically has about half a year or one year of education.
First things first:
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Thank you so much Peter!
@@TypeAshton so when are we going to see that silver play button in the background of future videos? :P
Congrats Ashton (and Jonathan).
seit ich im Ausland gelebt habe und sehr viel international reise, sehe ich unser Land mit anderen Augen. Schön, dass du es auf den Punkt gebracht hast.
Wo hast du denn gelebt? In Italien oder Frankreich soll ja das mit der Bürokratie schlimmer sein als hier in DE.
@@aqd4089Bürokratie bedeutet nicht unbedingt Ordnung. Sie kann auch eine Fassade sein, hinter der sich die Unordnung versteckt. Das sind dann die schlimmsten Bürokratien.
Ja, sieht man... aber es kommt drauf an was wie wo. Hab in 6 Ländern gelebt auf 4 Kontinenten und da gibt's massive Unterschiede
@@aqd4089 Bürokratie ist nicht automatisch Ordnung, Bürokratie kann effizient sein, oder im Gegenteil, völlig überladen..
As a German who has traveled around the world quite a bit, I have to say that Germany, despite all its quirks and weaknesses, is well positioned in most relevant areas. You can always get better, but here in Germany you are already pretty spoiled (except for the quality of the internet connection).
And Deutsche Bahn
Go to Switzerland and pretty much everything is better 🤣
@@jzi1601 apart the prize for a meal
@@jzi1601apart from even been not allowed to use the washing machine after 6pm... and a lot of other things
Depends, but I agree - at least police is usually helpful instead of killing you... everything follows a procedure and it works out without bribery...
We are Danish but have been living in Germany for 17 years now. When we renovated our house, I hated the rule that you could not make noise on sundays and every day between 13:00 and15:00 (although it is accepted for the first month or so, when you move in).
And you are right, it usually rains for one month straight and the only time you have nice and dry weather are on Sundays.😂
The "Rettungsgasse" on the Autobahn is maybe the one German rule I like the most. It is now spreading to Denmark. 😊 I wish the notion of keep to the right lane would spread too. Of course it is there as a rule too but Danish drivers don't follow it. 😢
If I had been your neighbor, I would have been quite glad to have such a regulation!
There is much to be said in favor of a rule-based society. I personally get somewhat annoyed when people liken that German sense of order to our Nazi history. National Socialism was the opposite of order. It was about making their own rules on the go, making random distinctions between ethnic groups, making things that were illegal legal on a whim and the other way around. "Ordnung muss sein" is a lesson, hopefully, that history has taught us.
Couldn't agree more.
The old strict rules for setting commas in a sentence in Danish is called "Hitlerkomma" and those are the rules we used in the European Commission as proof readers.😂
Newer rules were not consistent and more difficult to use.
The comparison has sometimes been applied unfairly, but the same people who were abused under the Nazizeit are abused by overly strict application of the cultural norms of Ordnung, and that should be a red flag against complacency. There is a rising political movement in Germany that would happily reinstate the worst applications of Ordnung and downplaying the effects of Ordnung on people who “don’t fit” is exactly how it comes back.
@@twestgard2 I agree wholeheartedly
"It was about making their own rules on the go, making random distinctions between ethnic groups, making things that were illegal legal on a whim and the other way around." -- This reminds us of whom again?
Your Freedom ends where someone else's Freedom begins.
I don't think that's a good principle. Most of the time it's a restriction of freedom against another restriction of freedom.
My freedom to live restricts someone else's freedom to murder me.
Freedom isn't a binary concept; it exists on a spectrum, and what one person perceives as a limitation on their freedom, another may see as necessary for their own. Moreover, the application of this principle can reinforce existing power imbalances. Those in dominant positions may define the limits of freedom in ways that disproportionately affect marginalized groups, effectively justifying oppression under the guise of protecting freedoms. Additionally, the phrase can be misused to justify the restriction of individual rights, leading to authoritarian measures. For example, claiming to protect others' freedoms can result in limiting free speech or personal expression in ways that are harmful. While the intention behind the phrase may be to promote respect and coexistence, it doesn't account for the nuances of individual and collective rights, making it a flawed guideline for navigating complex social dynamics.
@@truthseeker4084 It is a flawed principle, however I will argue, that far more often than this principle will "reinforce existing power imbalances" to "restrict individual freedom" of many, those existing power imbalances will be reinforced by a lack of regulation and a lack of someone pointing to the freedom of someone else. Just as we currently see in America the authoritarian visions of billionaires trying to enforce their power against any democratic measures that might restrict their freedom, but should save the freedom of future generations. Especially when billionaires use their absurd "corporate" version of "freedom of speech" to silence the voices of many truly marginalized groups.
@@truthseeker4084 its really more about different interpretations of freedom of speech, at least in the way ive heard it used. the united states version of it allows anyone to say anything, including promotion of hate crimes and racial violence. in germany, that'll get you fined, because we dont let people rant about how they want to mass murder their chosen minority publicly. its just common sense.
@@truthseeker4084 Trust humans to corrupt anything and everything in their strive for power, even innocent proverbs. Like all proverbs and general rules of thumb, of course this one lacks nuance, too. That doesn't mean that all rules of thumb are useless. It just means that you have to use your "gesunden Menschenverstand" when and where to apply them, and to stay true to their intended purpose. I think that this rule in particular is a good starting point for respectful coexistence, especially when paired with "all humans share the same basic human rights".
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"Handle nur nach derjenigen Maxime, durch die du zugleich wollen kannst, dass sie ein allgemeines Gesetz werde“ (Kategorischer Imperativ, Immanuel Kant). Das ist es, warum es gehen sollte.
If you think about it, all German laws and regulations are exactly striving for Kant's Categorical Imperative on a societal level.
Easier: You are willing to do something painful, if you are sure, everybody is following the painful rule.
Like "Don't walk on the green". If everybody does it, it's OK for you. But only then.
You have put it in a nutshell: The reason for order is respect for others. It annoys me no end when people (foreigners and Germans alike) seem to think order is a way to somehow subjugate the population, on the contrary. It is there to protect people from bullies with no respect for others. Like for example the quiet orders - people turning up their blaring music during the night may have a good time themselves, but they make sure nobody else can do what THEY would like in their spare time (sleeping, having quiet conversations, reading a book which needs concentration...
Your idea of putting our Ausbildungssystem under 'order' confused me at first, because I wouldn't have thought of it that way, but in a sense you are right. It's the feeling you can depend on work being done right (well, more or less - with the decline of academic levels in schools I have a feeling we are in for growing disappointment in that area) which just leaves you free to do your own thing without controlling and checking and complaining about subpar work which is time consuming and leaves negative feelings all around.
For me, the same sentiment also goes for time and meeting people/appointments. Being late means you are not respecting others and the value of their time.
Actually I would disagree with her on the "Ausbildung" thing. In Austria we have exactly the same system (duales Bildungssystem) but still every german I met that moved here for work or university so far was completely confused by our laid back work ethincs and disorganised lifestyle.
Yeah but, kindergarten lasted way to long for me.
Have you ever thought about other people not minding if others are cheerful or listen to music because they actually like it that way? Different cultures have varying perceptions of order and freedom. What feels like respectful order to one person might feel like rigid control to another. That is why many Germans are perceived as cold abroad. I live in Spain now and I moved here intentionally because I want the noise, I want to hear people having fun, I can relax like that better than living in a dark, cold country with no social stuff going on. Order should enhance quality of life, not diminish it. Also, the idea that order stems from respect can be misused to justify authoritarian practices. People in positions of power might invoke the need for order as a means to control or subjugate others, suggesting that strict regulations or limitations on freedoms are necessary for the greater good, when in fact they may serve to entrench power imbalances. Different individuals and cultures have varying interpretations of what respect entails. What one person sees as a respectful order may feel oppressive to another. You are not alone on this planet, so also consider those who dont think like you, your opinion is just one of million others.
@@truthseeker4084 You enjoying a lively surrounding doesn't prove different forms of respects. It just proves different forms of personal needs.
Or will you honestly argue, that it's disrespectful to you to be quiet when you wish for background noise?
I'm reminded of smokers that "invented" the concept of militant non smokers to create some kind of false equivalence of annoyance, that retroactively justifies their behavior.
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Arno, you are the best! I always look for you in the comment sections of different channels. You consistently try to spread cheer.
@@bradduncan8515 I second your praise of Arno. His comments are (almost) always reasonable and positive.
@@bradduncan8515 thx
Talking about the German way to repair the highways, one of my major irritations as a Dutchman visiting Germany. In the Netherlands the authorities will close the highway for one weekend, plan all jobs well, even work overnight and gets the job done. In Germany they close half the lanes as planned, hardly do any work and fix the job in about 10 years. Creating everlasting traffic jams. How long did it took them the upgrade the Autobahn at Hamburg? Perhaps 20 years? Very orderly, but can it perhaps with some more efficiency?
Agree 100%. We should learn a lot about efficiency with road repairs from other countries. Not just on motorways. They are improving internet cables in a lot of places at the moment. They tend to close down whole areas for months and then work on them bit by bit with long breaks in between because another profession is not lined up correctly.
Supposedly the Slovenians claim to be the better Germans. In my eyes, they can be the better Austrians and leave the other thing to the Dutch.
Our construction sites are simply a retirement plan for companys...
the problem lies elsewhere, for example budget restrictions and continuity...!
if a planned construction site costs more than the available annual budget allows, the work is "stretched" based on the costs
on the other hand, we have construction sites that are completed very quickly, but only because so much of the budget was saved that there is money left over. This would ben cut by the bureaucrats for the next year, according to the motto "you don't need that much money, you still have money left over"
so the "status quo" mentality has prevailed. In order to avoid getting less budget money next year, money is then "wasted" on other areas that more or less still fit into the rest of the budget, instead of continuing the actual construction site
Holland ist klein, und hat weniger Verkehr, Deutschland sitzt in der Mitte, ganz Europa fährt durch Deutschland, da kann man es sich nicht erlauben den Verkehr komplett dicht zu machen, man muss die unzähligen Autobahnen bei fließendem Verkehr reparieren..
The only reason why we germans are so mad about the weather all time, is because we cant order it in our way.
on the other Side look how far up to the north we are, the biggest island in the James bay(Hudson Bay Canada) is the most southern point for Icebears 53°03' north, Hamburg is also 53°31'north
No, because it doesn't have a reliable schedule - like the trains after privatization lol...
@@mariojakel5544 okay?
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😭😭😭...I find no flaws in your comment.
Thanks and congratz on the 100k! Love the blooper reel at the end, very recognizable. I speak Dutch, a Germanic language, but even I trip up on some of the German tongue twisters.
About a month ago we went on a five-day trip to Hamburg from Malmö, Sweden. We appreciated how calm and friendly everything was, and how little car traffic there was outside the main road arteries through the city centre. Actually, it's much more stressful to go to Stockholm!
Also, a comment on Autobahn traffic: People seem to drive quite freely regarding to speed - albeit always making clear tyhat you don't disturb your fellow drivers on the road. But if there is a speed restriction (usually due to construction work), people keep that speed limit RIGOROUSLY.
Many years ago, I was driving with the family through the whole of Germany to Vienna in my venerable Land Rover Defender, which was just not possible to get over 130 km/hour. In the Harz mountains around Kassel, there are only two lanes in each direction, and somehow I had to overtake some of the heavy trucks on the road. EVERYONE politely lined up behind us until we had passed - then it was about getting into the right lane again as fast as possible, and then everybody passed in at least 160 km/hour.
At least in parts of Sweden many would have started to honk and flash their lights on me. Not here. Not a hint of irritation.
I thought it to be the other way round 😂. Swedes ever so tolerant and forthcoming. Even chanting at the very thought of a new nuclear plant being built and put in service... 😅 A consensus society...
Glad you liked it here! 🇸🇪❤
@@kapuzinergruft Sorry, but is stereotypes. BTW, It's many times ago now that I visited the Kapuzinergruft in Wien. Faszinierend!
@@Julie-qc8cd We knew we would. And when doing my diligent research before our trip, I discovered NDR:s fantastic films which are published here on TH-cam!
We have been many times to Germany, but it's AGES since I visited Hamburg last time, and then only briefly. Ein wunderschönen Stadt!
I remember when we for the first time were passing the steep hills near Kassel in our small heavily loaded VW Polo. We were so scared when we were overtaking lorries downhill because if they were empty they were faster than us. We always hesitated to find the right spot, so we would not get in the way a few hundred metres later.
I much later swore that I would not buy a car that could not accelerate up a hill near Findel airport in Luxembourg, but that is now almost 20 years ago 😊
Hallo, erst mal Herzlichen Glückwunsch zu 100.000 Abonnenten ;) Und, natürlich gibt es beides in Bezug auf die Ordnung: manchmal nervt es, aber meistens hilft es.
Congratulations on 100K! You put so much work into your videos, it really makes Sunday mornings something special. Always impeccably researched and presented with style & confidence (and citations). Wish there were more channels like yours.
Thank you so, so much. I very much appreciate the kind words and thank you for watching and subscribing!
You are absolutely right. Switzerland is similar, Austria is more relaxed. - Ja, Ordnung muss sein, solang sie sinnvoll ist.
Austria has never had Protestants, Switzerland is full of the most boneheaded varieties of them.
I just came here to congratulate you !! well done 100K Subs !!
The Nordic countries like Finland and Sweden have many similarities with Germany like old Lutheran traditions since the Protestant Reformation even if nowadays they are very secular societies and religion is seen as a private matter. For instance the Finns appreciate punctuality with meetings and a red traffic light means you don't across the street as a pedestrian. Police education in Finland is provided by the Police University College in Tampere. The basic police degree is a Bachelor's degree, and it takes three years to complete the studies.
That‘s very interesting.
Do your police officers have practical training during their studies?
I think a significant advantage in the Ausbildung here in Germany is that the „student“ is at least half the time „working“ in their job - meaning their employer shows them how to do the task and they will practice it. The rest of the time they go to school.
I don’t know how exactly it is done for police officers, but they certainly get involved in every day police life.
@@Edda-Online During the Bachelor of Police Services degree studies, students learn practical knowledge and skills needed in police work. The degree qualifies to the position of a Senior Constable. Upon graduation, the police officers usually work in basic tasks in public order and security activities or in crime prevention. The graduates of the Police University College can apply for open positions in police departments and other units, such as the National Bureau of Investigation and the Finnish Security Intelligence Service.
Finnish police officers are considered trustworthy in the same way as medical doctors. They had to use firearms very rarely, and in most cases the police can handle the situation with a reasonable talk. In 2000-2024 only 12 people have died because the Finnish police officers have had to use of force and firearms in extreme circumstances.
@@Edda-Online During the Bachelor of Police Services degree studies, students learn practical knowledge and skills needed in police work. The degree qualifies to the position of a Senior Constable. Upon graduation, the police officers usually work in basic tasks in public order and security activities or in crime prevention. The Finnish police officers are also seen highly trustworthy by the citizens just like medical doctors, and they can handle most of cases with a reasonable talk.
@ Thanks! Sounds similar to here - not too surprising. I remember during my childhood there was a big campaign to change the police image into „Police - your friend and helper!“. It’s still their slogan. But I assume that’s the way it is in most of Europe.
Have a nice day!
Herzlichen Glückwunsch zu 100.000 Abonnenten. Man darf auch am Sonntag Rasen mähen, allerdings nur mit Mähern ohne Motor, also Spindelmäher. Das spart dann das Fitnesscenter
Endlich hast Du die 100k Abonnenten geknackt, Herzlichen Glückwunsch!!!!! 😍🥰
Love this video and German Ordnung! It puts the community first and is about respect. ❤
We learn so much by learning about another culture. U are great at doing it for us while playing at the same time the YT game. Thank you!
Ashton, you made just my day and gave a wide smile on my face! Sometimes it is just necessary and feels good to be reminded how awesome it is to live in Germany. Thank you!
I really like the „Rettungsgasse“ and the „Reissverschlussverfahren“ in car traffic. I enjoy having so few „Karens“ here and that you have no problem going on a walk at night risking to be harmed by anyone. I enjoy the quiet Sunday and that that being considerate is even regulated by rules. I appreciate how much order and service is just so normal, that we just do not notice it. „everything in order“ means also „being well organized“ and that makes life much easier even when there some minor issues by following the rules.
There are several things, about German order, that I truly love. (Being from Denmark). Driving on the autobahn, because of common mentality. Awareness of the environment, and our impact on it.
I love Germany more than my own country, because of this obsession with living by rules. It makes everything very easy.....
We are from Denmark, now living next to Trier, and when we are driving back to Denmark we notice that many of the cars overtaking and disregarding the speed limit at roadworks north of Hamburg are from Denmark. And they are so slow at moving back to the right lane when we try to pass them a few minutes later, when the speed limit is away.
This will change with immigration.
But too many rules, can make things stall. It prevents any creativity.
Thank you!
Regards from Berlin
Congrats to 100K subs
All the best for the future ❤
My personal favorite is the BEDÜRFNISANSTALTEN-BENUTZUNGSORDNUNG which is (was?) attached to the exterior of restroom doors in some subway stations, expecting you to acknowledge that code of conduct before entering.
more Bloopers please and your struggle with some of the german compound words is ver "orderly" hilarious, we want more. 😉
In the magazine "Der Spiegel" and others you can read the following again and again: The widely recognized British institute - "Anholt-GfK Nation Brands Index" - annually determines how 50 countries are perceived worldwide. To do this, the image is examined in important categories such as exports, government, culture, population, tourism, immigration/investment, etc.
Germany had usually taken first place in the rankings in previous years. This year too, the Federal Republic performed extremely positively in all areas examined. It was able to gain worldwide recognition, especially in the categories of culture, government and population, and has thus defended its deserved first place for many years in a row.
Did it mention Germany's failing economy and aging workforce?
@@1972Ray Im weltweiten Vergleich sind wir immer noch Spitze und nur im Vergleich mit uns selbst sind wir - wegen den unreifen Jugendlichen der aktuellen Regierung - mächtig abgefallen.
@@1972Ray Well, these are issues not unique to Germany. Most economic powerhouses are in recession and most western countries have an issue with wave of aging baby boomers.
@@1972Raythats not what is necessary to fix how OTHERS see it... but to guve you a perspective: has already been worse and the restnof the world struggles too, many even more
There are also two different types of rules, and everyone in germany can differentiate.
The ones, that you have to obey and which are monitored and fined (like crossing red lights). Those are the ones, that pose immediate danger to others.
And the ones, that more or less "defining the responability if something happens". If you mow you lawn on sunday and your neighbours are fine with it, you will not be tracked down by the Ordnungsamt. We also have the saying "Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter." (Where's no plaintiff, there's no judge.) It's all about responsbility. If you do not endanger or annoy others, you are free to do your stuff.
There is a rule in law theory: Every right ist exclusive. If you have the right to play loud music, then someone else does not have the right to have a quiet environment. If you have the right to fire your employee within short time, it affects his freedom to speak openly to you and it affects the right of his children to live in a stable environment. If law does not pose limits to people, then the strongest and most aggressive have the most freedom.
German rules seem to maximise freedom for the society overall. We give up a bit of our freedom in certain areas to gain more in others.
I recently watched a TH-cam video featuring a former Singaporean Minister discussing how Chinese philosophy emphasizes harmony, contrasting it with the Roman and later Western focus on law and order. If I recall correctly, he described America as a "meta society," which I thought was a spot-on observation.
When it comes to Germany, I believe the strong sense of order is actually a relatively recent development, likely dating back no more than about two hundred years. In one episode of In Our Time with Melvyn Bragg, where they discuss British perceptions of Germany, there’s an interesting observation: British soldiers who fought alongside German troops at Waterloo described the Germans as quite disorganized and messy. This perspective highlights how Germany’s reputation for order may have evolved significantly over the last two centuries.
No, many of the current systems go back deep into the middle ages, like vocational training for most crafts and their associated guilds.
But back then there was never an "germany", but hundrets of small countries within germany. And each of them had their very own rules that did not always match with the others. So if you looked from an outside over whole of german lands it might have looked like chaos, but it was very orderly within its little countries.
Order, punctuality, discipline etc were established in prussia and carried on as german values. So as you mentioned not that old in comparison
I agree with axell here. The strongly regulated crafts are surely due to the guilds in medieval cities. And for those the "order" they enforced , I would guess, more a tool to controll access to the craft and to keep fellow craftsmen in line than it is a way to ensure quality. Ot at least it's both. I guess, the fact that in Germany administrative cultures developed on much smaller scales than in many other, more centraliced countries has to have some influence on this question too. But the fact that individual lines of development reach back to the Middle Ages does not, of course, mean that this love of order as a whole cannot be a fairly recent phenomenon.
About the disorderly German soilders: I'd argue that in the case of soldiers, their level of orderliness is less a reflection of their culture than of their level of training.
What is a Meta-Society though?
No rules without exception. While it is forbidden to use motorized lawnmowers on sundays, manual lawnmowers are allowed!
And now i have to clean up my room until it looks orderly.
Noise, that's why. Sweating is much quieter than engine noises, even if electric engines are already much quieter. These might not disturb the neighbours.
Our son mainly uses a manual lawn mower because he can mow the lawn after 8 p.m. or on Sundays.
(Shift work, own small children and lots of neighbors)
I use mine regularly on Sundays. Still feel a little rebellious, though.
what about electric mowers new battery or even corded ones are pretty quiet.
If you ever get into a dispute about that, just get a sheep or a goat.
I love your videos and I've been following you for a year now. I get the impression Germany grows on you. I have a friend from Spain, who is a teacher in Berlin, and she has become German over time. At first she struggled not only with the language but with the culture, but not anymore. Now she doesn't want to even go back to Spain. And I hear similar stories from other foreigners like you in Germany. They start assimilating and then don't want to leave back to their own countries. I haven't been to Germany yet, but I study German history, especially related to art and music, and I find that it becomes like an addictive mission for me to find out more about Germany. It's a bit hard to explain. Personally for me order is very important. I hate living in chaos or in a place where people feel they can do whatever they want in the name of freedom. Based on your video, Germany's approach to order really appeals to me. What I get from watching your video is a great sense of security which is a luxury in many places these days. Thanks for sharing.
100,000 subscribers, CONGRATULATION!
Regarding your struggle with Seeschifffahrtsstraßenordnung. Its one of the famous compound nouns. Try cutting it to the individual nouns. See-Schiff-Fahrt(s)-Straßen-Ordnung. And then speak them one by one. Afterwards you can try to speed up and reduce the pauses in between.
I could imagine that helps. :)
und ordnungsgemäß kommt hier auch nochmal ein danke schön für die aufschlußreiche darstellung wie du die deutsche ordnung siehst
Meiner einer mag die Ruheordnungszeiten : Nachtruhe = 22.00 Uhr - 6.00 Uhr am nächsten Morgen oder Mittagsruhe = 13 Uhr bis 15 Uhr
Als jemand der nachts arbeitet würde ich mir den morgen noch wünschen
100.000 Subscriber!!Herzlichen Glückwunsch!
Kommt da nun die erste Plakette?
Vielen Dank! Ich wurde "offiziell" dafür zugelassen - habe aber keine Ahnung, wie lange es dauert, bis es ankommt. Aber ich bin wirklich aufgeregt!
@TypeAshton also das schreit ja quasi nach einem Unboxing-Video
I spent 4 years in the US and I can relate to your culture clash experiences. Now the flip-side of orderly proceedings is the speed of progress. I was stunned at the pace things are happening in the US. Yes, things are often less thoroughly executed or built, but it a lot quicker. The US is highly standardized. I noticed the differences without judgement. At the end, I returned home graciously.
Reisen bildet. Mehr Leute sollten es machen.
Well, Baden-Württemberg (the state where Freiburg/Breisgau is located) is the German epitome of "Ordnungsliebe", Keyword: Kehrwoche. And before it became legally restricted (for environmental reasons), washing your car right in front of your home was an unofficial weekend "duty" all over Germany…
Seeschiffahrtstraßenordnung = [Say Shiff Farts Straw Zen Ought Nung]
"Kehrwoche" is more of a Swabian thing. Here in Baden you'll more often find a more pragmatic approach: You take care of your staircase landing and the steps leading down to the next landing. Easy as that.
Especially the inhabitants of the Schwabenland. They are always neat & busy, always wake up early and never... I said NEVER waste money. Cars nowadays are regularly washed inside the carwash.
The strong sense of order, once you understand it, is one of the key things that makes Germany a pleasant place to live. Much of Germany is pretty densely packed and without the order and "respect" for others it would not be so nice a place. On a personal note, I experienced the same quiet hour problem that you did. I lost track of time and was finishing mowing my lawn at 18:10 on a Saturday and was politely told by a neighbor that I was doing something improper and disturbing the peace of the neighborhood. I had no problem and just let it wait until Monday. It probably doesn't hurt my understanding by being, like you, of German ancestry and may be genetically programmed for this. You are also very correct about the sticking to the "zipper method" when traffic merges. Great video, keep up the good work!
Um, Seeschifffahrtsverordnung:
"say-shiff-farts-ver-ordnung"
And now all together!
Stop laughing!
I struggled HARD with this word 😂😂😂
compound words are my favourite feature of german - its just so much fun making new words by concatenating other words^^
@@SharienGaming I'm dutch and a long time ago i had to study a german computer book together with another student in a classroom. We each had a copy. Within 15 minutes we were searching for the longest word. Probably we were triggered by the german word for disk: plattenspeicherdatei 😄
@@TypeAshton Pronouncing German words is actually not difficult because the German language is spoken in syllables, sea-ship-faring regulations,
@@TypeAshton german is like lego. just take the pieces apart and say/lean them properly one by one, then basically just say them in order "without a space" between them. easy.
Glückwunsch, da hast du ja 'ordentliche' 100k zusammenbekommen ❤ well done :)
Tolles Video. Keep it up! Du machst dir als US-Amerikanerin mehr Gedanken über das deutsche Wesen und Sein als ich als Deutscher.
Very good video. Your comment about the "Ordnung" being less about "Verbot" but more to do with respect for each other was right on the mark!
Also, ..... what on earth made you decide to incorporate "Seeschifffahrtsstrassenordnung" into your list. Courageous but, OH BOY! 😂
I am still good friends with my German language teacher in the USA when I took a few courses before moving overseas. I sent her this word to give to her first year German students as a tongue twister.
@@TypeAshton 🤣
Congrats with 100000 subscribers. Carry on, superbe videos.
Congratulations for 100k subscribers.
„Von der Wiege bis zur Bahre, Formulare, Formulare….“
Thanks for this great video and congrats on 100k subs!
But as order must be: Here is an important correction: An "Ordnungswidrigkeit" is not equivalent to a U.S. misdemeanor but rather a civil infraction because it never carries a potential jail sentence, but rather a fine only.
"Misdemeanor" is best translated as "Vergehen" (a lesser crime that carries a maximum of something like 93 days of jail in e.g. Michigan or a lesser fine, or "a lesser imprisonment" or a fine in Germany).
"Felony" is then roughly equivalent to a "Straftat" that carries a minimum of one year of imprisonment in Germany.
It's "imprisonment" for "Freiheitsstrafe" because there is no difference in Germany that would be equivalent to jail vs. prison.
4:40 which should be enforced harder in my opinion. If a dog is barking a ton its either untrained and unruly or beeing left alone for an extended period of time, which is not a good way to treat a dog. So that law actually is to protect the well beeing of dogs as well as ensure the dogs are trained and behaved enough to not cause harm to others. We have neighbours who have a dog and that fella is not trained at all, barks and growls at a lot of strangers walking by and is regularly beeing left alone at home the worst was when he barked for almost 5 hours non stop and actually lost his voice more and more over the time.
latest thing is more and more places prohibiting lawn-mowing-robots to be run at night. This is to protect wild animals who are out at night and whose life is threatened by operating lawn-mowing-robots.
So it´s order out of respect again.
Admittedly a perspective I didn´t have so far.
Order is directing the stream into a safe place, not stopping it
Great video again. Type Ashton stands for well researched quality journalism 😊.
i love the bloopers!
I love your presentation!
One comment: "Ordnung" is not only respect to others, though I like this piece of insight. For my personal (German) life, "Ordnung" simply makes life a lot easier.
- If I find my tools at the right place, I don't loose time in searching.
- "Ordnung" creates space: If my garage is well organized, I find always space for more.
- If my day is well organized, it becomes more efficient. I am not late for appointments.
I think, "Ordnungsliebe" is part of a person's character and self education, when you get older.
Law and order is the guarantee of freedom for all and not just a small group.
'Polizeiausbildung' was very well pronounced. Congrats, I'd say 97% High German
The very one thing order is lost lost in Germany is when a new supermarket checkout is opened ;-)
Sun on sunday!
Our flight on Lufthansa from Frankfurt to Boston, MA was delayed for well over an hour, but we still arrived in Boston precisely on time.
the dark side to the training culture is that entry barriers to even simple jobs are so high that employers cant find workers and people cant find jobs.
Nope. Because if the employeer wsnts workers and they can't find any, what will they do ?
a) pay money to attract more people with the necessary qualifications
or
b) train their new employees to get the necessary skills
The only reason their is a shortage of skilled workers is
- companies don't want to pay a higher wage
Or
- people are just too self centered and too egoistic to do certain jobs
(Cleaning the seewers, becomiya firr fighter, becoming a paramedic)
The culture of long training for your job is the best culture
Congratulations on 100k subscribers. And your pronunciation. ;-D
Thank you so much!
because the saying, that you have to be silent on Sunday and after 10pm, seems to lead to misunderstandings, a minor correction. You have to be as silent as possible at every time. There are but some exception for necessary tasks which can be louder outside of silent hours.
@outtakes: between Schiff and Fahrt in Seeschifffahrtsstraßenordnung is no "s" ;)
It goes even further, if you think about it. Companies, who want to provide training, must have a certificate that they have a trained trainer. So employment training is highly standardised here, and the quality is as ensured, as possible.
There are more than 600 different dual vocational trainings for journeymen and commercial trades and more than another 100 jobs in school based training for educators, arr and health care.
That is why about half of pupils start a vocational training after school, while about the other half starts a study.
The Ordnungsamt is like the municipality police in the US with fewer powers as it is not the police, as the police is a matter of the federal states.
And at the end of life, there is even the Friedhofsordnung.
Working with Germans in engineering sometimes presents a challenge 😂 I personally love their attitude to order and planning . No idle talk or chit chat when the task is at hand ; they take their work seriously .
The blooper of the shipping orderly thing word was incredible
Das ist so lustig, witzig und mit einem großen Schuss Ironie. Vielen Dank dafür. 🥰🌻🌻🌻
Interesting observations. Our band's singer has been living in Heidelberg for the past 5 years. He essentially agrees with you, and adds: "The expectation that everyone will pack their groceries as fast as a machine at the grocery store checkout can become frustrating if you let it, as can people, particularly older people, constantly telling you that you're doing something wrong, but the flip side is that the streets are clean, most everything works, and it's extremely safe. My daughters tell me they feel safer in Germany than in the UK or US, just in general."
I think that this "order" you describe is another way of explaining: "personal freedom ends where it affects the personal freedom of another person". Your example with mowing the lawn goes into that direction - there are "quiet times" in germany that are intended for people to be able to relax - thats why sunday and every evening after 22:00 is a quiet time. I also am annoyed at times by that, because I do a lot of DIY projects and not beeing able to work on them on Sunday is annoying at times. On the other hand I am equally annoyed if somebody else does not respect sundays quiet time and I cannot relax from a hard week.
Now that you've mastered "Seeschifffahrtsstraßen-Ordnung" it's time to tackle "Donaudampfschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft" 🤪
100k grats:) now you get your utube Button hopefully in a orderly fashion ;)
Thank you! We will see, this kind of milestone is still so surreal - perhaps it will hit me whenever the plaque shows up!
As a german I love Ordnung, of course. It comes down to pain when we overdo it e.g. building houses or it becomes pain when industries have competition disadvantages internationally (e.g. Environment)
Thanks for the phrase „glacial pace“.
I Like!!! 😂😂😂
Again my enjoyable Sunday morning coffee with Type Ashton. As well as always entertaining, they inspire thought.
Your reference to stereotyping reminded me that I have long thought that considering stereotyping as negative is misguided. In my opinion, stereotypes are usually based on reality. Germans, generally are orderly. Americans, generally are open and friendly. Most cultures have unique characteristics that permeate throughout the population.
I really don’t see stereotypes as always negative.
Lol, the blooper at the end got me 😂 when she said it in the video I tried to say it a couple of times myself
Great video ... even gives me as a German a lot to think about ... cool
Bloopers: it is alway a good idea to split these (German) compound words into the single words there are created with ... express them separately with a pause and then (slowly) try to reconnect them 🙂
100.000 Abos. Glückwunsch 👍
Been here 20 years and can't argue with this.
Can you make a video about innovation in Germany? How is it approached and why are there so few successful start-ups?
Oh. That’s a great idea! Especially since there seems to be a notion that only in the past inventions were made by Germans. Now we’re apparently only good in coming up with regulations (e.g. European Laws like the AI Act, digital Service act and so forth)…
Why is that? Is it true? Maybe is it even good? Maybe the Silicon Valley is the birthplace of digital innovation and Brussels is the hallmark of respectful orderly usage of said innovations?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, @typeAshton
The outro is the best!
As a German, I am not sure if I agree with all you are saying in this vid. But this video certainly makes me think... and I guess this is a good thing. Anyway, to your point, I think that "Ordnung" isn't as present as it should be in Germany. Keep up the good work, I think it is important that people form all over the world listen to eachother, and it is good to get an outside view... although you and your familiy are not really outsiders anymore. Good to have you here!
If your german approach of Ordnung, falls down to Dutch or Danish level, that's already what you qualify as "not as present, as it should be".
You haven't been living in other countries... Greetings from a german currently in the UK
Bloopers must be a regular segment :)
Congrats for 100k subs! :)
Totally agree on pretty much everything you said. Also, have you ever played the card game "Skat"? Not to be confused with the 31 point game called "Scat", a similar version of which is called "Schwimmen" or "Knack" in German. Skat is the most regulated, orderly, and hence German, card game there is. The cards even have to be cut and distributed in a very specific way defined by the rules 😂
Gute Morgen Ashton,
That was another good video about "order". It strikes me again how many similarities there are between Germany and the Netherlands and that does not only include the speech. A binder we call an "ordner". If you were to make a video about the same subject about the Netherlands, you would be done in 5 minutes.. for the few differences that there are. I had a mechanic internship at Siemens Medical Technology in Amsterdam in the 1970's ... even in Amsterdam in the office everything was in German and a lot of paperwork. My wife was the manager of a Schlecker drugstore in the Netherlands ... she spent more time on endless paperwork than on running the store.
But all this makes it easy for us to deal with Germans in Germany and abroad ... we understand each other.. but the Dutch are just a bit "easier".
100K , well done! Competent workers, what an amazing but sadly lost goal especially in NA where passion and craftsmanship are lacking. When I drove in Germany last year I observed the high road construction standards and driver discipline, so nice.
Good Video, a bit provocative at the beginning but it was ok because at the end you got the right conclusion:
A quote from ym apprenticeship "wer einer Vorschrift nur entspricht weil gerade der Chef in Sicht wird schmerzhaft oft erfahren, was Einsicht könnte ihm ersparen"
translated "Anyone who only complies with a rule because the boss is in sight will often find out painfully what insight could save them"
Order is not about a thing for itself there are senses behind. If anything went wrong we are watching about the orderly way in order to find out when something went wrong and why.....and mostly we find out: Someone did not follow the order....
Order gives orientation how to behave in order to reach not only someones goal but also societie´s goal. it is the foundation for a well-functioning complex society (or do you prefer going back to the stoneage? The right of the stronger one?)
I love your videos. I am a retired US Army soldier that was stationed in Würzburg and Stuttgart. I always enjoyed the orderly conduct of the German people. Maybe because I’m military I fall into the same category? For me driving in Germany was a joy compared to where I grew up in Miami area. You always knew what to expect from other drivers in Germany. First thing we learned when we arrived in Germany was never mess with the Polizei. 😂
On the blooper... at least you're consequent in your mistake.. haha. Well done with your 100k though!
Oh man, I don't know exactly how to describe it.... Like, my brain knows "okay this is what I'm supposed to do" but then what comes out of my mouth is completely wrong.
That's funny. In there US there is a phrase, cleanliness is next to godliness but orderliness is next to impossibility.
The irony is since moving to Dresden I noticed a lot of people do cross when the light is red but there are no cars. Might just be a city thing.
I appreciate the Sunday ruhtag, partly because it means that I don't feel the need to run a lot of errands since I can't! I do hate the levels of bureaucracy, though, since I ran into a specific law that even the person working at the consulate thinks is stupid.
Sea ship driveway rule(s)
Lange wörter lassen sich viel einfacher sprechen mit einer mikropause zwischen den einzelnen zusammengefügten wörtern:
See-schiff-fahrt(s)-strassen-ordnung.
Great video😊
But besides the proverb "Ordnung muss sein", there is also another one: "Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter" (where there is no plaintiff, there won't be a judge).
So, you might as well break the rules, if no one is bothered. Sure, can be quite difficult if you want to mow the lawn in a city on a Sunday. But in rural areas it could apply 😊
I just spent a week in a Maiorca resort which, of course, was half filled with Germans. Plenty of nice, lovely and agreeable ones around, no doubt, but pretty much every time a guest was rude, disorderly, jumped queues or anything like that, it was a German.
It could just be the numbers, since they were the majority of guests, but in my experience, and most of the people I know, orderly is something many Germans do in Germany, perhaps, but anywhere else they have a habit of considering themselves above the rules that apply to every one else.
Any tourist area where you see someone jumping a queue, standing in front of something in a museum in a way no one else can enjoy it, occupying loungers with towels and disappearing for hours, and and and… The odds are, it’s a German