They could greatly improve pity alone when they carry it over all banners. I hope they announce something like this to New Year so we can hope that we will get the update to the anni. Nice video. Always happy when you upload something :)
I've heard an argument against rolling pity, something like this: they probably don't want to incentivize players to not roll when they have pity coming up but they don't want the current 5* on rate-up. I'll admit I haven't thought through how reasonable this argument is. I'd appreciate input on this, either for or against.
@@justinmullins1112 It's hardly reasonable. Either way they would get the same amount of money from whales and dolphins, so the lack of carry over really fucks over FTP/GSSR-only players the most.
To be honest, after a long time fgo finally has pity and it definitely has trade offs, but the thing that I can't stand about the pity is the rotation on the banner, it makes players feel very uneasy when wanting to roll a specific unit, like making the game more focus on 5 stars instead of letting players roll on individual rotation like the 4 and 3 stars servants and overall it makes it less appealing to roll on a banner.
A nice breakdown of the pity system. Honestly I think it'll happen for NA. One doesn't mean the other will happen. But I just feel like the NA side would be able to get it done with the example of Korea getting it early. The issues for the 4* servants is too bad. But I think the benefits are still higher. Be really nice to set goals of a couple specific servants next year and know that I can get them if I put enough quartz aside. Instead of now where I can put a lot of quartz aside...but can still be doomed.
I’ll be frank, unless the pity system carries over from banner to banner, it’s pretty useless for the average player. For most players, they wouldn’t have over 300 SQ for banners. At most, from saving for about two months, they might have about 100? And that’s being generous with the game giving you SQ around this time of year. So really, this only effects the Whales and Krakens. The majority of the player base cannot use this because of the simple fact that they won’t have it carry over from banner to banner.
I humbly disagree with you here. I am F2P and I have never spent so much as a single dollar on the game since I started playing back in 2019. Yet I managed to save well over 800 SQ for Van Gogh. I ultimately spent 810 SQ and 5 tickets and got neither her nor Nemo. Had the Pity system existed here, I would have hit 900 SQ and gotten that 1 copy of Van Gogh.
@@mogagary While it is true you would have gotten Van Gogh if the pity system was in the game at the time (also you didn’t get her even after 800 pulls? Oof… my condolences. >.> ), but I have to ask; how many times did you pull before that banner? Or rather how many other Servants did you get that’s four stars or above? From what it sounds like, you didn’t spend a single SQ on any banner since you started that account. Which is how you were able to have 800 for Van Gogh’s banner.
Thanks for the video Khad! I never thought about summoning on separate banners for additional copies to get the pity again. That's a great idea and will definitely come in clutch for some of my NP2 targets.
This could very well be announce at Anime NYC this weekend since Yoshiki Kanou will in attendance at the event and let’s not forget that the Thanksgiving campaign might get announce as well.
this "pity" system would be a lot better if it transferred over between banners so you would at least have a guaranteed character you want in the future since 900 SQ tales a lot to get. The predatory nature of this games gacha makes me so sad since i enjoy the game but don't wanna support this companies practices.
Not to mention there is no pity for 4 stars, you know sometimes you get what you dont need, even being rarer... Also, even big spenders are hurt by this pity, a little. You cant garantee Np2 with 1.8k SQ as it goes away. Which is dumbashell...
I am split about pity coming early to EN if it comes early. On one hand it would be nice to be able to guarantee so high value SSRs early like Koyan Light and Oberon for many players. On the other hand I am not going to enjoy the lack of rotating banners and dread getting NP10 Baobhan while trying to get Barghest or getting NP10 Rider Caenis while aiming for Berserker Sei. As for the amount, while I would've prefered if it were lower like say, 600 SQ to hit pity, getting 900 SQ isn't too big of an ordeal if you have good self control. Either way, good luck on all of your future summons and while pity is nice, it would still suck having to hit it.
I know pity is nice and all but i dont like how they handle the SR rateups since it got implemented. I have a few targets for next year if there's no split rate ups is just gonna suck
What I'm worried about is that since they're adding a pity system, is that gonna change how the summoning works already? 900 gems is a ridiculous amount to need for reaching pity, especially if it doesn't transfer over. I remember having 500 something gems saved up when summoning for illya and I got 2 of her, and I got vanghoh in 4 summon tickets. but will the new pity system make it so that things like that are less likely to happen because it wants you to go to full pity..? Because I'd rather have no pity if thata the case.
I don't think so. As long as the rates don't change the pulling experience will stay the same, but I think the pity automatically restart after you get the SSR (?)
this thing don't have a good outcome for f2p because they don't have rotation banner anymore for sr. Also we don't really use the pity system because to get 300 pulls it's like saving for almost an entire year to only get 1 ssr (unless it's your ultimate waifu/husbando and you don't care about other units).
So lemme get this straight, if I want summer kama and I'm at 899 sqs n didn't get her on day one. Then I wait till next two or three days till the next one pull, my pity for kama won't reset even if the 4 stars rotation has changed by then?
I'm very fortunate to be financially stable enough to afford the pity system (if I need it), so I intend to return to the game once pity is implemented in NA. Honestly, I've already had a LOT of good luck between my original JP account and multiple NA accounts, so I am not too worried, especially in regard to the issue with the 4*s.
This "pity" is shit tbh. Just because it's better than nothing, doesn't make it good. I hope that when they implement it on NA they think good and hard how to fix it and implement all the changes in both servers at the same time.
Me 2. Oberon, here I go. Koyan 4 december 2023. 2024 I will have to pick wisely. Summer Skadi, Proto-Merlin, Arc and Summer Ibuki are 2 close to each other, not to mention Morgan banners. And I totally will try to pull Kriemhild, but my 4 star luck is weird as f, hope I dont destroy my reserves to get np7 Roland...
dear Khadroth, thanks for the explanation, but I have a question, what happen in dual/multiple 5* banners?, as far as I know they do exist (i think) and I just whant 1 of those
Oh you mean player like me who saved 1k SQ for super orion and only him and got zero copies of him? I got zero SSR from a 1k SQ roll. Luck? Skill? Or maybe a pity.
Leave it to FGO to create a pity system that I actually dread and would prefer didn't exist. The shared SR rate up that comes from pity honestly seems like its due to programming incompitance rather than an executive decision. Or if is is an executive decision its downright malicious and predatory. You will almost never need the SSR pity anyway but now your ability to get the SR you want is terribly compromised. Pity is for the SSR so as long as that remains the constant, what's wrong with rotating SR banners?
Didn’t realize the requirement for pity was so small. I thought it was 1000 SQ. 300 is a lot more manageable EDIT: This is incorrect. Take a look at Trihexian Entertainment's comment below for correct info
No it’s not 300sq it’s 300 rolls. you have to do at least 900sq worth of rolls if I remember correctly meaning you would have to be doing 11rolls 30 times to get the pity system
Man, pity system that can't be carried over is pretty archaic. Why can't FGO just follow some games with good pity system and implement it to their game?
The FGO pity system is ok, Genshin has a better one, but something is something. I hope they can bring this to NA as a new year's update, it'll be really helpful since the next year is gonna be insane for gacha.
Nah genshit just makes you pay more in the end cuz small amounts do add up, also the more "free" stuff they give away means that by the time a anniversary or big event comes around you'll get LESS rewards
900 SQ How long you save up for that amount in fgo? No carry over Even rotating banner doesn't work Is that ok? In genshin, at least every single pull still useful, I can guarantee that you can hit pity once every 2-3 months being f2p (hitting pity for 5 stars in uncommon, normally you get at 70+ pulls or early 10 pulls), but this? The only time fgo generous to us is when anniv, that's once a year. I think only whales benefitting from this.
@@Noizemaze4 Hahaha you right there. Well, i just made my appointment in base of my best friend experience who plays Genshin and that's what he said about it, i only play FGO and that's enough gacha for me lol, i recently introduced him into the Fateverse, so let's hope he can change his mind XD
@Azeto In the past i used to play lot of gacha games besides FGO, but honestly, i consider FGO pretty generous when it comes to rewards/sq/tickets, and so far that's one of the many reasons I'm still playing this game (I'm f2p btw). Is just a matter of avoid certain banners. Khadroth himself did advice us about this and said that it is better to have a plan for the units you really want. I can save around 700sq even throwing on bait banners, but that's my limit lol.
Caps a banner unit at like 900~ SQ, would make my life easier. About to hit 1000 SQ saved up for Morgan, and while I’m relying on the statistics behind getting her, pity would be a very nice safety net, as I watched a video the other day of someone spending almost 1500 to get Van Gogh. Or was it Nemo? Whoever was the most recent event. …worst case, I can get Merlin in 2024 when we’re projected to get pity.
Even Genshins Pity System is FAR better. There you'll hit Soft Pity in roughly 74 Summons and Hard Pity in 90 Summons. So yeah, FGOs Pity System is trash. (And Pity carries over)
Sorry for not posting for awhile, but the news out of Korea is too big not to cover! Do you think we'll follow Korea and get pity by new years?
What was the Korea news? Pity before or after new years
Thanks, I can't speak Korean
@@GammaRingHunter they just got pity for their 5th anniversary. weirdly enough they also got Muramasa as their anni servant, not Castoria
FGO having the worst pity system is to expect
Facts
They could greatly improve pity alone when they carry it over all banners. I hope they announce something like this to New Year so we can hope that we will get the update to the anni.
Nice video. Always happy when you upload something :)
I've heard an argument against rolling pity, something like this: they probably don't want to incentivize players to not roll when they have pity coming up but they don't want the current 5* on rate-up.
I'll admit I haven't thought through how reasonable this argument is. I'd appreciate input on this, either for or against.
@@justinmullins1112 It's hardly reasonable. Either way they would get the same amount of money from whales and dolphins, so the lack of carry over really fucks over FTP/GSSR-only players the most.
Thanks for the great info Khad
To be honest, after a long time fgo finally has pity and it definitely has trade offs, but the thing that I can't stand about the pity is the rotation on the banner, it makes players feel very uneasy when wanting to roll a specific unit, like making the game more focus on 5 stars instead of letting players roll on individual rotation like the 4 and 3 stars servants and overall it makes it less appealing to roll on a banner.
I heard about the pity and went "wait we pity system?" Genuine shock 😲
A nice breakdown of the pity system. Honestly I think it'll happen for NA. One doesn't mean the other will happen. But I just feel like the NA side would be able to get it done with the example of Korea getting it early.
The issues for the 4* servants is too bad. But I think the benefits are still higher. Be really nice to set goals of a couple specific servants next year and know that I can get them if I put enough quartz aside. Instead of now where I can put a lot of quartz aside...but can still be doomed.
Remember that there are people who want 4 star servants... and are now having the potential to be screwed due to banner shenanigans
I’ll be frank, unless the pity system carries over from banner to banner, it’s pretty useless for the average player.
For most players, they wouldn’t have over 300 SQ for banners. At most, from saving for about two months, they might have about 100? And that’s being generous with the game giving you SQ around this time of year.
So really, this only effects the Whales and Krakens. The majority of the player base cannot use this because of the simple fact that they won’t have it carry over from banner to banner.
I humbly disagree with you here. I am F2P and I have never spent so much as a single dollar on the game since I started playing back in 2019. Yet I managed to save well over 800 SQ for Van Gogh. I ultimately spent 810 SQ and 5 tickets and got neither her nor Nemo. Had the Pity system existed here, I would have hit 900 SQ and gotten that 1 copy of Van Gogh.
@@mogagary While it is true you would have gotten Van Gogh if the pity system was in the game at the time (also you didn’t get her even after 800 pulls? Oof… my condolences. >.> ), but I have to ask; how many times did you pull before that banner? Or rather how many other Servants did you get that’s four stars or above? From what it sounds like, you didn’t spend a single SQ on any banner since you started that account. Which is how you were able to have 800 for Van Gogh’s banner.
Thanks for the video Khad! I never thought about summoning on separate banners for additional copies to get the pity again. That's a great idea and will definitely come in clutch for some of my NP2 targets.
This could very well be announce at Anime NYC this weekend since Yoshiki Kanou will in attendance at the event and let’s not forget that the Thanksgiving campaign might get announce as well.
this "pity" system would be a lot better if it transferred over between banners so you would at least have a guaranteed character you want in the future since 900 SQ tales a lot to get. The predatory nature of this games gacha makes me so sad since i enjoy the game but don't wanna support this companies practices.
Not to mention there is no pity for 4 stars, you know sometimes you get what you dont need, even being rarer...
Also, even big spenders are hurt by this pity, a little. You cant garantee Np2 with 1.8k SQ as it goes away. Which is dumbashell...
I am split about pity coming early to EN if it comes early. On one hand it would be nice to be able to guarantee so high value SSRs early like Koyan Light and Oberon for many players. On the other hand I am not going to enjoy the lack of rotating banners and dread getting NP10 Baobhan while trying to get Barghest or getting NP10 Rider Caenis while aiming for Berserker Sei. As for the amount, while I would've prefered if it were lower like say, 600 SQ to hit pity, getting 900 SQ isn't too big of an ordeal if you have good self control. Either way, good luck on all of your future summons and while pity is nice, it would still suck having to hit it.
I know pity is nice and all but i dont like how they handle the SR rateups since it got implemented. I have a few targets for next year if there's no split rate ups is just gonna suck
What I'm worried about is that since they're adding a pity system, is that gonna change how the summoning works already? 900 gems is a ridiculous amount to need for reaching pity, especially if it doesn't transfer over.
I remember having 500 something gems saved up when summoning for illya and I got 2 of her, and I got vanghoh in 4 summon tickets. but will the new pity system make it so that things like that are less likely to happen because it wants you to go to full pity..? Because I'd rather have no pity if thata the case.
I don't think so.
As long as the rates don't change the pulling experience will stay the same, but I think the pity automatically restart after you get the SSR (?)
this thing don't have a good outcome for f2p because they don't have rotation banner anymore for sr.
Also we don't really use the pity system because to get 300 pulls it's like saving for almost an entire year to only get 1 ssr (unless it's your ultimate waifu/husbando and you don't care about other units).
So lemme get this straight, if I want summer kama and I'm at 899 sqs n didn't get her on day one. Then I wait till next two or three days till the next one pull, my pity for kama won't reset even if the 4 stars rotation has changed by then?
I'm very fortunate to be financially stable enough to afford the pity system (if I need it), so I intend to return to the game once pity is implemented in NA. Honestly, I've already had a LOT of good luck between my original JP account and multiple NA accounts, so I am not too worried, especially in regard to the issue with the 4*s.
Welcome back
@@luckyman4906 LOL thanks, the game welcomed me back with Heracles my first try on the tutorial roll. I was prepared to reroll for him.
900SQ... It's same as don't have any pity for me.
It meant for whale
No effect for me whatsoever.
Really glad the only 4 star I'm rolling for in the next 2 years (re-run banner aside) is Zenobia (who doesn't have any other 4 stars on rate-up).
This "pity" is shit tbh. Just because it's better than nothing, doesn't make it good.
I hope that when they implement it on NA they think good and hard how to fix it and implement all the changes in both servers at the same time.
well this will definitely change my F2p plan for 2023-2024 NA.
Me 2.
Oberon, here I go.
Koyan 4 december 2023.
2024 I will have to pick wisely. Summer Skadi, Proto-Merlin, Arc and Summer Ibuki are 2 close to each other, not to mention Morgan banners. And I totally will try to pull Kriemhild, but my 4 star luck is weird as f, hope I dont destroy my reserves to get np7 Roland...
@@ShionKenobi are you pulling for farming gameplay? If so, do you need both Morgan and Ibuki? Either one of those at NP2 would work as an Omni farmer
Thanks for all the info! Great food for thought.
Along with your great farming guides, you deserve more followers. Keep up the great work ^^.
Ayo finally he's back 😭😭
Those banner with 2 5* won't rotate anymore? Or it's only the 4* who won't rotate but they'll make another banner for the other 5*?
dear Khadroth, thanks for the explanation, but I have a question, what happen in dual/multiple 5* banners?, as far as I know they do exist (i think) and I just whant 1 of those
would friend points count towards the pity too? or just quartz and tickets?
While I do like the pity system, I hope no player ever has to rely on it. Truly hell
Oh you mean player like me who saved 1k SQ for super orion and only him and got zero copies of him? I got zero SSR from a 1k SQ roll. Luck? Skill? Or maybe a pity.
@@falconmage89 skill issue
@@falconmage89 1000 SQ for Super Orion? That's entirely your choice. And yes, it's a skill issue. Git gud.
@@cameraredeye3115yes, it's my choice but a pity system in place would have been a goof thing. Even with it being 900 SQ safety net.
For NA, is the current pity system at 330 rolls for guaranteed GSSR? Assuming your rolling it all in one day, or rolling concurrently?
wait we getting that summer this year? I thought its next year and summer is already over
Good to see you back
Leave it to FGO to create a pity system that I actually dread and would prefer didn't exist.
The shared SR rate up that comes from pity honestly seems like its due to programming incompitance rather than an executive decision. Or if is is an executive decision its downright malicious and predatory. You will almost never need the SSR pity anyway but now your ability to get the SR you want is terribly compromised. Pity is for the SSR so as long as that remains the constant, what's wrong with rotating SR banners?
Didn’t realize the requirement for pity was so small. I thought it was 1000 SQ. 300 is a lot more manageable
EDIT: This is incorrect. Take a look at Trihexian Entertainment's comment below for correct info
No it’s not 300sq it’s 300 rolls. you have to do at least 900sq worth of rolls if I remember correctly meaning you would have to be doing 11rolls 30 times to get the pity system
@@Trihexian Ah, gotcha. misunderstood the video. Thanks!
Never heard of this before, would have helped for the hundreds of anniversary SQ I wasted trying to kid vinci.
This aged well
i thought 330 rolls equal to 300sq, but still get it the banner servant lmao
Meanwhile me who always saved 900+ SQ worth for a targeted SSR: I missed the part where that’s my problem
Why the Korean server looked down upon
Dude i just used 60 SQ not knowing the pity system😭
Man, pity system that can't be carried over is pretty archaic. Why can't FGO just follow some games with good pity system and implement it to their game?
Wait wait wait wait... FGO has PITY‽ WHEN‽ I've been playing for YEARS and this is the first I've heard of it!
that sounds like bad business practices
Welcome back, King 🤴
So about 1000 Sq?.... nope sucks
The FGO pity system is ok, Genshin has a better one, but something is something. I hope they can bring this to NA as a new year's update, it'll be really helpful since the next year is gonna be insane for gacha.
Nah genshit just makes you pay more in the end cuz small amounts do add up, also the more "free" stuff they give away means that by the time a anniversary or big event comes around you'll get LESS rewards
@@Noizemaze4 exactly👌
900 SQ
How long you save up for that amount in fgo?
No carry over
Even rotating banner doesn't work
Is that ok?
In genshin, at least every single pull still useful, I can guarantee that you can hit pity once every 2-3 months being f2p (hitting pity for 5 stars in uncommon, normally you get at 70+ pulls or early 10 pulls), but this? The only time fgo generous to us is when anniv, that's once a year. I think only whales benefitting from this.
@@Noizemaze4 Hahaha you right there. Well, i just made my appointment in base of my best friend experience who plays Genshin and that's what he said about it, i only play FGO and that's enough gacha for me lol, i recently introduced him into the Fateverse, so let's hope he can change his mind XD
@Azeto In the past i used to play lot of gacha games besides FGO, but honestly, i consider FGO pretty generous when it comes to rewards/sq/tickets, and so far that's one of the many reasons I'm still playing this game (I'm f2p btw). Is just a matter of avoid certain banners. Khadroth himself did advice us about this and said that it is better to have a plan for the units you really want. I can save around 700sq even throwing on bait banners, but that's my limit lol.
Caps a banner unit at like 900~ SQ, would make my life easier. About to hit 1000 SQ saved up for Morgan, and while I’m relying on the statistics behind getting her, pity would be a very nice safety net, as I watched a video the other day of someone spending almost 1500 to get Van Gogh. Or was it Nemo? Whoever was the most recent event.
…worst case, I can get Merlin in 2024 when we’re projected to get pity.
did 160 pull got no 5 star this suk
what do you mean we never had a pity system? we had USOs kekw
350 pulls ? wow.
Pity after 330 rolls... LOL. what a joke. Good luck whales!
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Even Genshins Pity System is FAR better. There you'll hit Soft Pity in roughly 74 Summons and Hard Pity in 90 Summons. So yeah, FGOs Pity System is trash. (And Pity carries over)
Very good, very nice
Ugh. FGO has bad pity. I would almost prefer no pity
Not a particularly good pity system, but better than nothing.
It is way worse than genshin OMG!