Find a historic church to attend (only a few of these are hypercalvinist and only if in the denominations that I specifically stated were) www.google.com...
I do love your stuff, Zoomer. I'm due to give a sermon soon in my Anglican church in England and you've inspired me to make such a step. It's a somewhat liberal church. For instance, I had to argue with the vicar to let me preach that salvation is based on faith in Christ because he says that might upset some people to imply their loved ones who were not Christian were not saved, but it's a wonderful community and I thank you for inspiring me to serve God in my corner of His creation
Curious, as a Dutchie I didn't know there were 'Netherlands reformed congregations' outside of NL. My best friend was raised in one. The judgement and doubting on someones salvation and the "oh she must think he is saved but she stil wears earrings" style comments are so real and so heavily ingrained.
Almost every Dutch split is mirrored in Canada and the US. There were very few Dutch congregations in Canada prior to the 1950's post war immigration and they tried to work together to eliminate differences but it didn't really work. Mirror denoms were started for every group.
@@Phlebas9202 Makes sense. Interesting though, do you know if the denominations are in sync with the dutch ones, or are they leading seperate developements because of local and cultural reasons?
@@marlena. With the immigration wave after WWII things were in sync because everyone still spoke Dutch. The RCA mirrored the State church. I grew up in the CRCNA which has its background in mirroring the Afscheiding. The PRC is a breakoff of the CRC over Common Grace which I think also happened with Kuyper. The Canadian Reformed are from the GKN-V. And so on with many other mirrors. Most have broken with churches in the Netherlands now because the Netherlands became too liberal. Immigrants freeze their culture when they arrive in a new country so all the denominations stayed more traditional while the Netherlands became more liberal.
As someone part of a Dutch Reformed in Canada, the WW2 immigrants sorta started their denominations that mirror the DR in the Netherlands. Examples include CRC, URC, FRC, CanRef, and are mostly composed of Dutch North Americans. We disagree on some issues, which is why it's not just one denomination.
@@Phlebas9202 Thank you! I might need to dive into those abbreviations abit to fully understand, our churches have two words that mean reformed, one used mostly by conservative churches after the afscheiding, and I see that over there they all kinda had their own seperate splits ass well.
It feels SO WEIRD to have you call me out like that. I was raised in a church called "Reformed Baptist", and was told we weren't technically Reformed, I was always under the impression that our rejection of infant baptism was the majority position on Christendom, my friends are ALWAYS talking about how great Paul Washer is, and when you said "West Michigan" I nearly died! How do you know exactly where I live???
It's funny that I currently have the Heidelberg Catechism open to the question and answer for infant baptism lol. As a regular Reformed, the way I was taught to remember the main distinction for Baptists from other groups is that the don't believe in infant baptism, and Anabaptists don't do baptisms. It's funny that you were never told what the majority of Christians profess as true.
Someone who doesn't skip any words in Romans 8:29. Congrats! To believe in completely unconditional election, you have to stretch the meaning of multiple verses beyond recognition, or just ignore them completely. Coming to your conclusion means you passed reading comprehension but FAILED mental gymnastics 😉
Can someone explain to me the difference between God “actively predestines people to hell” and “God predestines some to not be saved?” I’m Calvinist, but that just looks like wordplay to me…
Considering God is all-knowing, and that "predestined" means "to determine", this means that God knows some won't be saved, not that he actively condemns them to hell.
It is wordplay. And the fact that you have recognized this means you are one step closer to finding the true Jesus. A God of love and life who calls all to Him.
@@Rivian_Jedi No, not really. To me, none of the other views seem compatible with the Bible’s teaching of God’s sovereignty. I just don’t waste time complicating my language like hardcore calvinists.
You should ask yourself what your top priorities are, why you think that way, and if those reasons are truly godly… because that is a concerning statement. It seems to reveal you fundamentally care more about man than God.
@@gigahorse1475 no he would be right because if Calvinism is true thankfully is isnt this is not a real God or at least the most Supreme God. Under Calvinism there is no reason to strive to be like christ ur either chosen or ur not . It's essentially punishing the infant for having disorders caused by the mother's drinking
@@gigahorse1475 As a Catholic, I believe in free will, not predestination. Being damned by no fault of one's own or saved by no virtue looks very messed up to me. Appreciate the concern though, peace and God bless.
No it’s not that mankind is INCAPABLE of choosing God it’s that Mankind does not have the desire for God. Hence the verse “No one seeks for God.” It’s not that man can’t choose God it’s that man doesn’t want to choose God
@@SaintDrewsThe problem is that this is a distinction without a difference. If we were made not wanting to seek God then we cannot seek Him unless He calls us yes? So by CHOOSING to call some and not all, your Calvinist god chose to create people and then damn them to hell for eternity without giving them a choice.
@@Rivian_Jedi woah bro what you mean by my “Calvinist god” that’s the God of the Bible. Let me ask a question both Judas and Peter betrayed Jesus yet only Peter was saved. You would say it was Peters choice. But is that what the Bible teaches? In John 17 God actually chose Judas for the purpose of him betraying Jesus. Let’s look at two passages. In Luke 22 Jesus ““Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”” Luke 22:31-32 ESV So Jesus was the one who prayed for Peter to be redeemed right? Let’s look at John 17 “While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.” John 17:12 ESV So read carefully The Father gave Jesus the disciples and it was Jesus not the disciples who kept them in his name. Jesus is responsible for keeping the disciples but notice something interesting. He says no one is lost except Judas so the scriptures may be fulfilled. Now did Jesus make Judas sinful coz he was chosen for the fact that he would betray him? No God is not the Author of sin. God does not ordain sin coz he can’t ordain sin that’s against his nature. People still have a choice but their always choose sin. Like Judas, God has to work in our hearts not to give us the ABILITY to choose him, but the DESIRE to do so.
@@Rivian_Jedi all you really need to know about Calvinism is that it is named after a man. With blood on his hands to boot. It is a cult. People are mistaken to believe that cults are only small fringe groups.
It's not mental gymnastics; he just explained it poorly. The decrees of election/reprobation and salvation/damnation are two different decrees. In the first, God decides who to give grace to to bring them to faith. This is an unconditional decree. In the second, God sees the (imputed) righteousness of the elect, so he decides to glorify them, and he sees the sin of the reprobate, so he decides to damn them. This is conditioned upon the righteousness/sin of the individual.
@@loganstrait7503 No. But that doesn't mean that the decision to withhold grace is the decision to damn. Damnation isn't an unconditioned decision made by God; it is because of sin.
@@catfinity8799 again, mental gymnastics. If Richard would be both reprobate and damned if not for God happening to have Elected him unilaterally, what criteria could we possibly attribute this to besides God loving Richard and not the non-elect? How could God love a man and not Elect him? And if you say, "Because mysterious reasons," how is that more intellectual than the Orthodox solution?
@@catfinity8799 if all who are withheld grace are damned; then the decision to withhold grace is the decision to damn. Or is God ignorant of the fact that all who are reprobate are damned??
In supra thinking, this choice occurs logically before the fall. Without the fall in consideration, you cannot say that not choosing someone damns the person.
I have friends who came out of the NRC. It's legitimately cult-like with its rampant legalism and controlling nature. Redeemed Zoomer, if you see this, I'd like to make what I think is a humble request: I noticed an NRC congregation on your historic churches map, and I ask that you consider removing the denomination from the map. The strictly limited participation in communion alone should be enough to disqualify the church's teaching as any form of historic.
In the reformed veiw, no. In the Catholic or Lutheran veiw yes. In the reformed view, you only receive Christ through faith, but in catholicism, unbelievers can receive Christ and bring a greater judgment on themselves.
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu I can't speak for Lutherans, but you have the Catholic position wrong. Yes, it is a sin to receive the Eucharist when you are aware that you are not in the state of grace, but in that case you are already on the way to Hell. You just add one more mortal sin to the list. But in the Calvinist view, you're either in or out for your entire life and there's no way to change it. Your destiny was chosen for you before the world began, and nothing you do here changes it.
Only God knows There are people like Judas who become apostates even after being devout throughout life. Then there are redeemed boomers like Nicodemus besides Paul who would go as far as to leave Sanhedrin. And extreme examples like Thief on the Cross who were the elect saved at the right moment.
1 Cor 11 does say taking communion in an unworthy manner brings judgement on oneself. Not sure if the NRC's reasoning is because of that passage, or more due to the covenant issue.
@@Postenebraslux-n4ySo you never had the option to choose faith. So it's not really faith. It's more like brain washing because you got the lottery ticket to get into paradise.
Aquinas answered the first question for us in Summa Theologiae, Part 1, Chapter 23, Article 3 (Whether God reprobates any man?), Objection1: "Objection 1. It seems that God reprobates no man. For nobody reprobates what he loves. But God loves every man, according to (Wisdom 11:25): "Thou lovest all things that are, and Thou hatest none of the things Thou hast made." Therefore God reprobates no man. Reply to Objection 1. God loves all men and all creatures, inasmuch as He wishes them all some good; but He does not wish every good to them all. So far, therefore, as He does not wish this particular good-namely, eternal life-He is said to hate or reprobated them."
I've heard this argument before and it's unconvincing to me. If you had a relative you gave Christmas and birthday presents to and visited from time to time, but did nothing when they were about to have their house repossessed and be made homeless, could you legitimately say you loved that relative? I'd hope the answer would be no.
Trying to make Calvinism as nice as possible is illogical and dumb I lose brain cells every time you rant about Calvinism YOU LITERALLY SAID Calvinism isn’t when god damns people to hell it is when god saves some over others you literally said the synonym of what I just typed
@@WILLIAN_1424 no just Calvinism that other thing could be persuasion or evangelization but you can’t tell me limited atonement is not the same thing as Christ not dying for everyone
@@quiqueglass6738 That's more because "limited atonement" is a bad name more than anything. The original Canons of Dort, which TULIP is supposed to summarize, contains this about unbelievers: "not because the sacrifice of Christ offered on the cross is deficient or insufficient, but because they themselves are at fault." This is the reason some prefer "particular redemption". It's much more about what Christ's death will accomplish, than limiting what it cannot accomplish. Zoomer is one of the very few people I've heard of that doesn't call himself a 4-point Calvinist, but also affirms, that Christ died for all in some sense.
Also you say that original sin includes WILLFUL sin (not merely the consequence of sin and the tendency to sin) which completely defies any sensible definition of "to will" and is a hyper-augustinian heresy.
Even Catholics will say that as long as you have a proper trinitarian baptism, it is valid, no matter who administered the baptism to you. So, to answer your question, no.
An important question. One of the 5 solas is actually about this.. The typical Protestant position is that there are no "magical people" which are absolutely needed in order for sacraments to work. This was important in the UMC, because some pastors are "local pastors" without apostolic succession; for practical reasons I suppose. Does the Bible say that sacraments are not valid if they are not administered by a special group of people?
my entire extended family and community are all members of the NRC, HRC, or The strict and Particular church (another even more legalistic Hyper Calvinist denomination). Hyper Calvinism is alive and well in Southern Alberta.
What you commented is true. Outsiders must think that every Sunday the pastors of (real) Reformed churches should only talk about predestination etc. That's not true at all. Although God's sovereignty and majesty is indeed well emphasized, we talk much more about the Gospel, the sacraments, and other theological topics in general than predestination. My pastor can go months without talking about it explicitly. And in my class of new members, the topic of predestination must have taken two classes, out of a total of 3 + months of study. I believe there are members of my church who don't even believe in predestination (although the elders and pastor clearly do).
I definitely lean calvinist, due to it just seeming to be the natural conclusion of reasoning for an all sovereign God. But man a few things still don’t fully sit right with me. All in all though, the way Calvin viewed mankind is something any christian should adhere to. Calvinism seems to be the LOWEST view of man and HIGHEST view of God. Therefore as a christian, how could you deny it?
Regardless of whether or not you deserve eternal concious torment, I don't think you can say that a God who could save you from eternal concious torment but chooses not to can actually be said to 'love' you (in any meaningful sense)
"Those, therefore, whom God passes by, He reprobates; and that for no other cause but because He is pleased to exclude them from the inheritance which He predestines to His children." - John Calvin (Institutes, Book III, Chapter 23) This actually seems kinda mean.
Here in Brazil, an author named "Vincent Cheung" became very popular into online "Calvinist" communities. He is (was?) an "hypercalvinist" about God's providence, defending Ocasionalism and the idea that God activelly decree's the Sins of people and activelly decrees people to Hell. Very dangerous theology that i saw leading some people into very dark places...
im from the dutch branch of the netherland reformed congregation (i know it by the name "Gereformeerde Gemeente in Nederland en Noord Amerika") and the low amount of people partaking in holy communion is true, but not because they speculate about not being part of "the elect" but because we only attend if we are saved also i've never heard of people in my denomination of identifying as hyper calvinist even though i have heard alot of other people call us hypercalvinist
The opposite end of Calvinism (in this regard) is the Hungarian Reformed church, which is Calvinist, but puts so little focus on predestination that it does not really play an important role, or at least by far not as important as in other Calvinist traditions.
So would you say that those in Adam are not totally depraved? Why would God not provide a way for people to know if they are saved (to know that a conversion is true or false), if he really loved even the non-elect, why would he torture them with his law if he doesn't plan (predestine) that they will follow it anyway? Why batter the people who are predestined for hell and leave them without what little peace they could have left before the judgement/destruction?
Calvinism taken to its logical conclusion. If God passes over people he could save, he isn't the good Samaritan and falls afoul of his own law. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Incongruous analogy. The Samaritan helped because he saw someone who not only needed help, but *wanted* help. Man does not want help from God on its own, therefore God has no obligation to force people to accept his help
@@SpooonCar presupposition and a starwman. There are plenty of people within the bible and outside in history who earnestly seeked God through their efforts while not perfect . A Calvinist has to ignore these cases and commit the fallacy when this happens saying they weren’t actually doing that because God was secretly doing it behind the scenes. Salvation has always been a convent between man and God it’s why Jesus is the god man; the bridge between us. Under your world view there is no need to evangelize as everyone who can be saved will be by God just like paul was and when God is the one doing it rather than flawed humans it’s more effective. We should all play videos games on our coach
@@Commandosoap777 A Calvinist would suggest that they only pursued God because the father called them. They don’t believe “God did it behind the scenes”, all of their actions were their own, but the only reason they cold make said actions was because of God calling them. There is rally good reason to evangelize: Christ told us to. If “efficiency” was Gods priority, he would send Jesus back down every time there was any conflict or issue in the church. But he doesn’t, because it’s not about efficiency, it’s about giving glory to God, and we were created for exactly that purpose. I would appreciate it if you actually pointed out the “fallacies” in my points instead of just insisting upon their existence and moving on.
@@SpooonCar I think he's getting at the idea of total depravity/original sin. Cornelius is a great example since he earnestly sought God on his own accord and was rewarded for it, yet he wasn't "saved" (regenerated) until he reached Peter who taught him the gospel (Act 11:14-15).
Hey Zoomer, I have an idea for a video. Recently I was wondering why animals suffer for the sin of man and I just can’t find much on the internet to answer that question. If you could touch on this I would be grateful.
Interesting video. My denomination Primitive Baptist is often identified with this label and I can see why though we don't personally identify ourselves with Calvin at all. As for your points, the one that never seems to hit with me is that God shed his blood and even as you put it had less love for the non-elect and yet allowed their eternal damnation; that makes God's act on them pointless because his sacrifice was in order to save people from death by fulfilling the law where we could not. Why is it that God would create an example of making a specific nation to follow his law and then in fulfilling that law shed his blood for all people. It seems logical to me that Israel foreshadows the elect and excludes the nonelect. What do you all think?
In the past there were a lot of ads on faith-based videos by this group called "Faith Defenders" which said God does not love everyone. I would assume those guys are hypercalvinists?
RZ, You once told me that molinism is more about providence than predestination. What is the difference between those two? Is Predestination not a part of God’s will?
Would the Westboro Baptist Church count as hypercalvinists? I know they're barely relevant now, but when they were more known, I've seen them described as hypercalvinists quite often.
"God doesn't /need/ to save anyone." Right but if He loved you then he would want to. What possible criteria could there be for to save or not to save besides whether God loves that man, if as Calvin says it is God alone who has the power to cause a man to be damned by rejecting salvation and not to be the target of this 'irresistable grace'? And if you say to this, "God works in mysterious ways," then you have NO RIGHT to accuse the Orthodox of being "anti-intellectual."
Could the same people even exist if there was no fall into sin? It would seem that if Adam and Eve never sinned then the likelihood is they'd never had the kids they did and that would change who was predestined just based on their existence.
@@jdotoz that wasn't the question, he said it wouldn't matter if Adam and Eve didn't sin, everyone would still be predestined. My point is that would be doubtful as we're a product of our parents who would likely not meet or exist due to the entirety of existence being different.
From what I understand from numerous discussions on interfaith forums run by Christians where many different groups butt heads in a civil way with other groups. There is a the problem involving God, Abraham and Isaac. He did not actually know Abraham really feared Him before this moment. Genesis 22:12 In my view dudes like yourself face the problem of speaking over the heads of most people. I don't mean you should not, there are enough of you big brain types that find this kind of content helpful and probably play Minecraft as well. 😉
I do wish more Calvinistic Baptists would use the term particular Baptists since that was what we went by historically. Cause the Reformed folks couldn't let go of the last vestige of Catholicism and we wanted to differentiate ourselves.
cara eu já suspeitava que voce fosse calvinista pelo jeito que é os seus videos bom eu gostaria de te mostrar algumas passagens da biblia brasileira que me ajudaram quando eu vi um video traumatico do juizo final que quase tirou minha fé 14 De que adianta, meus irmãos, alguém dizer que tem fé, se não tem obras? Acaso a fé pode salvá-lo? 15 Se um irmão ou irmã estiver necessitando de roupas e do alimento de cada dia 16 e um de vocês lhe disser: "Vá em paz, aqueça-se e alimente-se até satisfazer-se", sem porém lhe dar nada, de que adianta isso? 17 Assim também a fé, por si só, se não for acompanhada de obras, está morta. 18 Mas alguém dirá: "Você tem fé; eu tenho obras". Mostre-me a sua fé sem obras, e eu lhe mostrarei a minha fé pelas obras. 19 Você crê que existe um só Deus? Muito bem! Até mesmo os demônios crêem - e tremem! 20 Insensato! Quer certificar-se de que a fé sem obras é inútil? 21 Não foi Abraão, nosso antepassado, justificado por obras, quando ofereceu seu filho Isaque sobre o altar? 22 Você pode ver que tanto a fé como as suas obras estavam atuando juntas, e a fé foi aperfeiçoada pelas obras. 23 Cumpriu-se assim a Escritura que diz: "Abraão creu em Deus, e isso lhe foi creditado como justiça", e ele foi chamado amigo de Deus. 24 Vejam que uma pessoa é justificada por obras, e não apenas pela fé. 25 Caso semelhante é o de Raabe, a prostituta: não foi ela justificada pelas obras, quando acolheu os espias e os fez sair por outro caminho? 26 Assim como o corpo sem espírito está morto, também a fé sem obras está morta essas seitas evangelicas que existem no brasil falam que por exemplo se uma pessoa(tipo o monobola austriaco da segunda guerra mundial) aceitar jesus como salvador ele tá no céu e isso eu não aceito cara eu como católico não aceito que as pessoas queiram sei que não são todas mais tem pessoas que realmente acham que fé sem obras é o suficiente pra ser salvo no evangelico brasileiro inclusive eu faço questão de comentar em minha lingua nativa no brasil existe os traficantes neopentecostais no rio de janeiro eles acham que por terem fé tão salvos e que podem fazer toda maldade possivel que ainda serão salvos outra anomalia do nosso brasilzão é que as duas maiores igrejas do brasil são a igreja assembleia de deus e a igreja universal do reino de deus que já avisando essas igrejas do brasil são seitas a igreja universal do reino de deus quase gerou uma guerra santa no brasil por que o pastor sergio vonhelder chutou a imagem de nossa senhora em rede nacional na rede de televisão record alem de 5 dos maiores milionarios do brasil e até metade dos bilionarios do brasil são pastores da assembleia de deus e da universal alem que tentaram instaurar uma teocracia no brasil reedemed zoomer eu sei que voce provavelmente não vai entender o que to falando mais poderia falar dessas seitas do brasil a assembleia de deus e a igreja universal do reino de deus que tem mais da metade dos cristãos do brasil(a outra metade somos nós católicos)
I think you got a point about the Baptists cuz I would consider primitive Baptists hypercalvinist. They reject that the elect require faith to be saved. TBF I think this has much more to do with an improper understanding of the atonement than Calvinism.
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A hyper calvinist is when John Calvin gets into the supply of skittles, duh!
It's just a Calvinist with ADHD.
My favorite part of the Institutes
John Calvin with adhd?
bro how do you just casually build an entire mega church in minecraft 😭
GOD
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All things are possible through Christ
It wasn't casual.
Wait is this dude saying there’s a difference between being Christian and being elect???
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Calvinist walks into a church, sees icons, and immediately leaves
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@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty Don't read about Solomon's temple if that scares you.
@@jdotoz huge difference between creating art and worshipping it
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty So you have no problem with the use of icons then
@@jdotoz no icons - reason being that they are associated with worship.
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'All Calvinists, unless you're Karl Barth, believe...' I find that quite funny, but do not quite know why.
I do love your stuff, Zoomer. I'm due to give a sermon soon in my Anglican church in England and you've inspired me to make such a step.
It's a somewhat liberal church. For instance,
I had to argue with the vicar to let me preach that salvation is based on faith in Christ because he says that might upset some people to imply their loved ones who were not Christian were not saved, but it's a wonderful community and I thank you for inspiring me to serve God in my corner of His creation
RECONQUISTA! Keep it up bro
For I came not to bring peace, but a sword!
11:53 Baptist thought we caught a break a few weeks back. But we are still not reformed.
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No,baptize your babies and you'll be truly reformed
@@diegocorea4613 never! We will reqonquista the title Reformed and return it to the Baptists, who obviously had it original. 🤯🤯🤯 there you go
10:26 i wish he stopped at "i have no problems with Baptist..." But, alas, we will never be truly reformed.
Curious, as a Dutchie I didn't know there were 'Netherlands reformed congregations' outside of NL. My best friend was raised in one. The judgement and doubting on someones salvation and the "oh she must think he is saved but she stil wears earrings" style comments are so real and so heavily ingrained.
Almost every Dutch split is mirrored in Canada and the US. There were very few Dutch congregations in Canada prior to the 1950's post war immigration and they tried to work together to eliminate differences but it didn't really work. Mirror denoms were started for every group.
@@Phlebas9202 Makes sense. Interesting though, do you know if the denominations are in sync with the dutch ones, or are they leading seperate developements because of local and cultural reasons?
@@marlena. With the immigration wave after WWII things were in sync because everyone still spoke Dutch.
The RCA mirrored the State church. I grew up in the CRCNA which has its background in mirroring the Afscheiding. The PRC is a breakoff of the CRC over Common Grace which I think also happened with Kuyper. The Canadian Reformed are from the GKN-V. And so on with many other mirrors.
Most have broken with churches in the Netherlands now because the Netherlands became too liberal. Immigrants freeze their culture when they arrive in a new country so all the denominations stayed more traditional while the Netherlands became more liberal.
As someone part of a Dutch Reformed in Canada, the WW2 immigrants sorta started their denominations that mirror the DR in the Netherlands. Examples include CRC, URC, FRC, CanRef, and are mostly composed of Dutch North Americans. We disagree on some issues, which is why it's not just one denomination.
@@Phlebas9202 Thank you! I might need to dive into those abbreviations abit to fully understand, our churches have two words that mean reformed, one used mostly by conservative churches after the afscheiding, and I see that over there they all kinda had their own seperate splits ass well.
I just realized 2025 is the 1700th anniversary of the council of nicea. Maybe that's an opportunity for some kind of video.
Good idea!
"hyper" ain't ever a good word to describe yourself I guess
It feels SO WEIRD to have you call me out like that. I was raised in a church called "Reformed Baptist", and was told we weren't technically Reformed, I was always under the impression that our rejection of infant baptism was the majority position on Christendom, my friends are ALWAYS talking about how great Paul Washer is, and when you said "West Michigan" I nearly died! How do you know exactly where I live???
It's funny that I currently have the Heidelberg Catechism open to the question and answer for infant baptism lol. As a regular Reformed, the way I was taught to remember the main distinction for Baptists from other groups is that the don't believe in infant baptism, and Anabaptists don't do baptisms. It's funny that you were never told what the majority of Christians profess as true.
9:03 i understand the reformed tradition is more that TULIP
A long play through of Minecraft while talking about religion is something I didn’t know I needed
2:28 I get it
Also primitive baptists left the chat
So if I believe God gives us free will, and a fair chance towards redemption, but knows ultimately what choice we would make, what does that make me?
I think that's just the standard view most people hold. Idk the name of it. Maybe Arminian, but maybe that's something else.
I think that's Conditional Election.
Someone who doesn't skip any words in Romans 8:29. Congrats!
To believe in completely unconditional election, you have to stretch the meaning of multiple verses beyond recognition, or just ignore them completely. Coming to your conclusion means you passed reading comprehension but FAILED mental gymnastics 😉
Can someone explain to me the difference between God “actively predestines people to hell” and “God predestines some to not be saved?” I’m Calvinist, but that just looks like wordplay to me…
It is wordplay, to make it not sound bad. But it is just a dumb statement.
Considering God is all-knowing, and that "predestined" means "to determine", this means that God knows some won't be saved, not that he actively condemns them to hell.
@@nohomo4774 No, He does actively condemn them to hell because of their own sin; it is not sheer passive foreknowledge.
It is wordplay. And the fact that you have recognized this means you are one step closer to finding the true Jesus. A God of love and life who calls all to Him.
@@Rivian_Jedi No, not really. To me, none of the other views seem compatible with the Bible’s teaching of God’s sovereignty. I just don’t waste time complicating my language like hardcore calvinists.
You should make a video on Calvinistic Methodists.
This would be a fantastic video
If Calvinism was the only Christianity I knew, I would be atheist.
That’s a shame. Your theology itself doesn’t save you.
You should ask yourself what your top priorities are, why you think that way, and if those reasons are truly godly… because that is a concerning statement. It seems to reveal you fundamentally care more about man than God.
@@gigahorse1475 no he would be right because if Calvinism is true thankfully is isnt this is not a real God or at least the most Supreme God. Under Calvinism there is no reason to strive to be like christ ur either chosen or ur not . It's essentially punishing the infant for having disorders caused by the mother's drinking
Eh I wouldn't go back to Atheism, but I'd probably become a generic Theist since the god of Calvinism quite simply is not all loving.
@@gigahorse1475 As a Catholic, I believe in free will, not predestination. Being damned by no fault of one's own or saved by no virtue looks very messed up to me. Appreciate the concern though, peace and God bless.
So God has mankind in a state where they are INCAPABLE of choosing Him. Then He passes over them and you say He's just to burn them forever?
No it’s not that mankind is INCAPABLE of choosing God it’s that Mankind does not have the desire for God. Hence the verse “No one seeks for God.” It’s not that man can’t choose God it’s that man doesn’t want to choose God
@@SaintDrewsThe problem is that this is a distinction without a difference. If we were made not wanting to seek God then we cannot seek Him unless He calls us yes? So by CHOOSING to call some and not all, your Calvinist god chose to create people and then damn them to hell for eternity without giving them a choice.
@@Rivian_Jedi woah bro what you mean by my “Calvinist god” that’s the God of the Bible. Let me ask a question both Judas and Peter betrayed Jesus yet only Peter was saved. You would say it was Peters choice. But is that what the Bible teaches? In John 17 God actually chose Judas for the purpose of him betraying Jesus. Let’s look at two passages. In Luke 22 Jesus ““Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.””
Luke 22:31-32 ESV
So Jesus was the one who prayed for Peter to be redeemed right? Let’s look at John 17 “While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.”
John 17:12 ESV
So read carefully The Father gave Jesus the disciples and it was Jesus not the disciples who kept them in his name. Jesus is responsible for keeping the disciples but notice something interesting. He says no one is lost except Judas so the scriptures may be fulfilled. Now did Jesus make Judas sinful coz he was chosen for the fact that he would betray him? No God is not the Author of sin. God does not ordain sin coz he can’t ordain sin that’s against his nature. People still have a choice but their always choose sin. Like Judas, God has to work in our hearts not to give us the ABILITY to choose him, but the DESIRE to do so.
@@Rivian_Jedi all you really need to know about Calvinism is that it is named after a man. With blood on his hands to boot. It is a cult. People are mistaken to believe that cults are only small fringe groups.
@@SaintDrews this is not the Calvenist teaching ; according to them none of us can choose to be with God unless he chooses us
With all due respect, I think that "reprobation is not the same as damnation," might win the gold medal for mental gymnastics.
It's not mental gymnastics; he just explained it poorly.
The decrees of election/reprobation and salvation/damnation are two different decrees. In the first, God decides who to give grace to to bring them to faith. This is an unconditional decree. In the second, God sees the (imputed) righteousness of the elect, so he decides to glorify them, and he sees the sin of the reprobate, so he decides to damn them. This is conditioned upon the righteousness/sin of the individual.
@@catfinity8799 are there any who are reprobate but not damned?
@@loganstrait7503 No. But that doesn't mean that the decision to withhold grace is the decision to damn. Damnation isn't an unconditioned decision made by God; it is because of sin.
@@catfinity8799 again, mental gymnastics. If Richard would be both reprobate and damned if not for God happening to have Elected him unilaterally, what criteria could we possibly attribute this to besides God loving Richard and not the non-elect? How could God love a man and not Elect him? And if you say, "Because mysterious reasons," how is that more intellectual than the Orthodox solution?
@@catfinity8799 if all who are withheld grace are damned; then the decision to withhold grace is the decision to damn. Or is God ignorant of the fact that all who are reprobate are damned??
No, saying that Christ didn't die for the non-elect in any way is not hypercalvinism. That's what John Owen and the High Calvinists taught.
18:19 I still don't know what you mean by this. How is god not choosing to save someone not the same as damning them?
The answer is simple, he is contradicting himself.
In supra thinking, this choice occurs logically before the fall. Without the fall in consideration, you cannot say that not choosing someone damns the person.
"God does not create some people just to damn them" (paraphrased)
the antichrist: 💀
I have friends who came out of the NRC. It's legitimately cult-like with its rampant legalism and controlling nature. Redeemed Zoomer, if you see this, I'd like to make what I think is a humble request: I noticed an NRC congregation on your historic churches map, and I ask that you consider removing the denomination from the map. The strictly limited participation in communion alone should be enough to disqualify the church's teaching as any form of historic.
What does it matter if you take communion when you aren't elect? Are you going to go to worse Hell?
In the reformed veiw, no. In the Catholic or Lutheran veiw yes. In the reformed view, you only receive Christ through faith, but in catholicism, unbelievers can receive Christ and bring a greater judgment on themselves.
@@JoWilliams-ud4eu I can't speak for Lutherans, but you have the Catholic position wrong. Yes, it is a sin to receive the Eucharist when you are aware that you are not in the state of grace, but in that case you are already on the way to Hell. You just add one more mortal sin to the list.
But in the Calvinist view, you're either in or out for your entire life and there's no way to change it. Your destiny was chosen for you before the world began, and nothing you do here changes it.
@jdotoz I said that the Catholic position was that it would bring greater judgment, not damnation. But I see what you mean.
Only God knows
There are people like Judas who become apostates even after being devout throughout life.
Then there are redeemed boomers like Nicodemus besides Paul who would go as far as to leave Sanhedrin. And extreme examples like Thief on the Cross who were the elect saved at the right moment.
1 Cor 11 does say taking communion in an unworthy manner brings judgement on oneself.
Not sure if the NRC's reasoning is because of that passage, or more due to the covenant issue.
2:34 i got the reference.
We're cool
@@WarriorcatGerda oh yeah, we ate so cool
Predestination is completely at odds with the idea of salvation by faith.
Salvation through faith, faith through God choosing you.
@@Postenebraslux-n4y yeah so it's not really about faith then. That's secondary to god choosing you.
@@Postenebraslux-n4ySo you never had the option to choose faith. So it's not really faith. It's more like brain washing because you got the lottery ticket to get into paradise.
@@Postenebraslux-n4y that's not faith
Aquinas answered the first question for us in Summa Theologiae, Part 1, Chapter 23, Article 3 (Whether God reprobates any man?), Objection1:
"Objection 1. It seems that God reprobates no man. For nobody reprobates what he loves. But God loves every man, according to (Wisdom 11:25): "Thou lovest all things that are, and Thou hatest none of the things Thou hast made." Therefore God reprobates no man.
Reply to Objection 1. God loves all men and all creatures, inasmuch as He wishes them all some good; but He does not wish every good to them all. So far, therefore, as He does not wish this particular good-namely, eternal life-He is said to hate or reprobated them."
I've heard this argument before and it's unconvincing to me.
If you had a relative you gave Christmas and birthday presents to and visited from time to time, but did nothing when they were about to have their house repossessed and be made homeless, could you legitimately say you loved that relative? I'd hope the answer would be no.
1:56 “we give god all the control”, 2:54 “all of us already willingly rejected god”. A total contradiction.
4:00 this is an eastern lutheran church 👀
Calvinism taken to its logical conclusion
nah mate
Exactly.
No....
Nope. Prove it.
Whoa bro you just destroyed centuries of church history with your epic six word comment
The fact that even Redeemed Zoomer has beef with Reformed™ Baptists fills my heart with sadistic glee.
Trying to make Calvinism as nice as possible is illogical and dumb I lose brain cells every time you rant about Calvinism YOU LITERALLY SAID Calvinism isn’t when god damns people to hell it is when god saves some over others you literally said the synonym of what I just typed
Saying the same thing in a different manner to make it sounds better. -Centuries old christian tradition
@@WILLIAN_1424 no just Calvinism that other thing could be persuasion or evangelization but you can’t tell me limited atonement is not the same thing as Christ not dying for everyone
@@quiqueglass6738 That's more because "limited atonement" is a bad name more than anything. The original Canons of Dort, which TULIP is supposed to summarize, contains this about unbelievers: "not because the sacrifice of Christ offered on the cross is deficient or insufficient, but because they themselves are at fault." This is the reason some prefer "particular redemption". It's much more about what Christ's death will accomplish, than limiting what it cannot accomplish.
Zoomer is one of the very few people I've heard of that doesn't call himself a 4-point Calvinist, but also affirms, that Christ died for all in some sense.
God uses people. Some will talk about the spirit moving and gifts but speaking a language only you understand benefits nobody.
I enjoy the new Kingdomcraft music, but I'm so glad to hear the old songs again!
Also you say that original sin includes WILLFUL sin (not merely the consequence of sin and the tendency to sin) which completely defies any sensible definition of "to will" and is a hyper-augustinian heresy.
Do people without Apostelic succession have the authority to baptize?
Great question. Because I have the same question too!
Even Catholics will say that as long as you have a proper trinitarian baptism, it is valid, no matter who administered the baptism to you. So, to answer your question, no.
Yes.
An important question. One of the 5 solas is actually about this.. The typical Protestant position is that there are no "magical people" which are absolutely needed in order for sacraments to work.
This was important in the UMC, because some pastors are "local pastors" without apostolic succession; for practical reasons I suppose.
Does the Bible say that sacraments are not valid if they are not administered by a special group of people?
There are fundamentalists and ecumenists in Rome and Greek. Ask a few of them and they will disagree among themselves.
Jemimahs whipper snappers 2:34
my entire extended family and community are all members of the NRC, HRC, or The strict and Particular church (another even more legalistic Hyper Calvinist denomination). Hyper Calvinism is alive and well in Southern Alberta.
“Tasted death for every man” on the universal texts in scripture
What you commented is true. Outsiders must think that every Sunday the pastors of (real) Reformed churches should only talk about predestination etc. That's not true at all. Although God's sovereignty and majesty is indeed well emphasized, we talk much more about the Gospel, the sacraments, and other theological topics in general than predestination. My pastor can go months without talking about it explicitly. And in my class of new members, the topic of predestination must have taken two classes, out of a total of 3 + months of study. I believe there are members of my church who don't even believe in predestination (although the elders and pastor clearly do).
I definitely lean calvinist, due to it just seeming to be the natural conclusion of reasoning for an all sovereign God. But man a few things still don’t fully sit right with me.
All in all though, the way Calvin viewed mankind is something any christian should adhere to. Calvinism seems to be the LOWEST view of man and HIGHEST view of God. Therefore as a christian, how could you deny it?
You can be a thomist if that helps
Great video you saved my faith
Thumbs up if you want to see that video on the atonement made! I've been wanting to see how RZ handles 2 Peter 2:1 specifically.
Regardless of whether or not you deserve eternal concious torment, I don't think you can say that a God who could save you from eternal concious torment but chooses not to can actually be said to 'love' you (in any meaningful sense)
When Redeemed Zoomer says you're not cool 😔
Womp womp
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty what a loving response
"Those, therefore, whom God passes by, He reprobates; and that for no other cause but because He is pleased to exclude them from the inheritance which He predestines to His children." - John Calvin (Institutes, Book III, Chapter 23)
This actually seems kinda mean.
It's basically what Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is/was, it's atrocious.
Here in Brazil, an author named "Vincent Cheung" became very popular into online "Calvinist" communities. He is (was?) an "hypercalvinist" about God's providence, defending Ocasionalism and the idea that God activelly decree's the Sins of people and activelly decrees people to Hell.
Very dangerous theology that i saw leading some people into very dark places...
im from the dutch branch of the netherland reformed congregation (i know it by the name "Gereformeerde Gemeente in Nederland en Noord Amerika") and the low amount of people partaking in holy communion is true, but not because they speculate about not being part of "the elect" but because we only attend if we are saved
also i've never heard of people in my denomination of identifying as hyper calvinist even though i have heard alot of other people call us hypercalvinist
Open a dimension and let me escape to it
You got it, man
The opposite end of Calvinism (in this regard) is the Hungarian Reformed church, which is Calvinist, but puts so little focus on predestination that it does not really play an important role, or at least by far not as important as in other Calvinist traditions.
So would you say that those in Adam are not totally depraved? Why would God not provide a way for people to know if they are saved (to know that a conversion is true or false), if he really loved even the non-elect, why would he torture them with his law if he doesn't plan (predestine) that they will follow it anyway? Why batter the people who are predestined for hell and leave them without what little peace they could have left before the judgement/destruction?
Calvinism taken to its logical conclusion. If God passes over people he could save, he isn't the good Samaritan and falls afoul of his own law. James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Incongruous analogy. The Samaritan helped because he saw someone who not only needed help, but *wanted* help. Man does not want help from God on its own, therefore God has no obligation to force people to accept his help
@@SpooonCar presupposition and a starwman. There are plenty of people within the bible and outside in history who earnestly seeked God through their efforts while not perfect . A Calvinist has to ignore these cases and commit the fallacy when this happens saying they weren’t actually doing that because God was secretly doing it behind the scenes. Salvation has always been a convent between man and God it’s why Jesus is the god man; the bridge between us. Under your world view there is no need to evangelize as everyone who can be saved will be by God just like paul was and when God is the one doing it rather than flawed humans it’s more effective. We should all play videos games on our coach
@@Commandosoap777 A Calvinist would suggest that they only pursued God because the father called them. They don’t believe “God did it behind the scenes”, all of their actions were their own, but the only reason they cold make said actions was because of God calling them. There is rally good reason to evangelize: Christ told us to. If “efficiency” was Gods priority, he would send Jesus back down every time there was any conflict or issue in the church. But he doesn’t, because it’s not about efficiency, it’s about giving glory to God, and we were created for exactly that purpose. I would appreciate it if you actually pointed out the “fallacies” in my points instead of just insisting upon their existence and moving on.
@@SpooonCar I think he's getting at the idea of total depravity/original sin. Cornelius is a great example since he earnestly sought God on his own accord and was rewarded for it, yet he wasn't "saved" (regenerated) until he reached Peter who taught him the gospel (Act 11:14-15).
@@SpooonCar what kind of nonsense is that? Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom because man could and sometimes does fear God.
Say bro, can you make a video about demonology and what capabilities the enemy has so we can battle it with the Armor Of God?
Isn’t the Westboro Baptist Church hyper-Calvinist?
Yes, it is.
Good video (I havent watched it)
Based
Hey Zoomer, I have an idea for a video. Recently I was wondering why animals suffer for the sin of man and I just can’t find much on the internet to answer that question. If you could touch on this I would be grateful.
Question Redeemed Zoomer: As a calvinist myself, is foreordination as described in question 7 of the shorter catechism the same as predetermination?
Interesting video. My denomination Primitive Baptist is often identified with this label and I can see why though we don't personally identify ourselves with Calvin at all. As for your points, the one that never seems to hit with me is that God shed his blood and even as you put it had less love for the non-elect and yet allowed their eternal damnation; that makes God's act on them pointless because his sacrifice was in order to save people from death by fulfilling the law where we could not. Why is it that God would create an example of making a specific nation to follow his law and then in fulfilling that law shed his blood for all people. It seems logical to me that Israel foreshadows the elect and excludes the nonelect. What do you all think?
The tree of life was forbidden as well
Day 11 of asking Redeemed Zoomer to livestream himself listening to the 2006 album Go by the Newsboys because it's good contemporary Christian music
In the past there were a lot of ads on faith-based videos by this group called "Faith Defenders" which said God does not love everyone. I would assume those guys are hypercalvinists?
8:13 Ah, so that ciry is The Eastern Orthodox and Lutheran city. I wonder if that has changed since Redeemed Zoomer was last there.
Hey zoomer, is your MC world on Java or Bedrock?
Things that do not matter in UPG missions…
Redeemed Zoomer, I was wondering if you could consider debating TheLaymansSeminary.
RZ,
You once told me that molinism is more about providence than predestination. What is the difference between those two? Is Predestination not a part of God’s will?
I think Heritage Reformed Church denomination is Joel Beeke’s denomination and I don’t think they are hypercalvinist. Pretty conservative though
Would the Westboro Baptist Church count as hypercalvinists? I know they're barely relevant now, but when they were more known, I've seen them described as hypercalvinists quite often.
2:12 was this enderman?
"Endermen are autistic" some guy -2024
Il save you 20 minutes, the answer is heresy
Calvin Joke: 😂😂
God sends rain on the Just and Unjust Fellah,
But more upon the Just,
'Cause the Unjust pinched the Just's umbrella.
No wonder you don't have Catholic/Orthodox to Presbyterian converts
The Netherlands Reformed Church is a big thing in northwest Iowa and parts of Ontario.
If by big you mean tiny?
2:26 LutheranSatire
I've always wondered this
7:36 TULIP, L for limited atonement.
So many of these arguments hinge on idea of God only existing inside of time like humans do.
"God doesn't /need/ to save anyone."
Right but if He loved you then he would want to. What possible criteria could there be for to save or not to save besides whether God loves that man, if as Calvin says it is God alone who has the power to cause a man to be damned by rejecting salvation and not to be the target of this 'irresistable grace'?
And if you say to this, "God works in mysterious ways," then you have NO RIGHT to accuse the Orthodox of being "anti-intellectual."
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Double Predestination? That's heresy Patrick!!!!
Heresy?
Yeah heresy codenmed by John 3:16!
not heresy
Sounds a little too much like “God’s chosen people” to me
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please do a freewill baptist reveiw
Hey can people start new Protestant denominations in the USA please do!
I'll disobey God, all day every day!!!! Disobeying God is fun! Disobeying God is what God WANTS US TO DO!!!!
Umm you need to reread Genesis 3:21-24 if you think we chose not to eat from the Tree of Life.
The passage you referenced just says that God knew Adam might eat from the tree of life, not that Adam chose to (or ever did) eat its fruit.
@@natereath4966 It also says the God put cherubim around the Tree so man could not eat from it.
@@charliedontsurf334 yes, so God kept man from ever eating from it
Oil Up Zoomer
Shut up Arthur
Could the same people even exist if there was no fall into sin? It would seem that if Adam and Eve never sinned then the likelihood is they'd never had the kids they did and that would change who was predestined just based on their existence.
@@janker1676 Lewis said, through Aslan, that it is not for us to know what might have been.
@@jdotoz that wasn't the question, he said it wouldn't matter if Adam and Eve didn't sin, everyone would still be predestined. My point is that would be doubtful as we're a product of our parents who would likely not meet or exist due to the entirety of existence being different.
@@janker1676 It does seem unlikely.
From what I understand from numerous discussions on interfaith forums run by Christians where many different groups butt heads in a civil way with other groups. There is a the problem involving God, Abraham and Isaac. He did not actually know Abraham really feared Him before this moment. Genesis 22:12
In my view dudes like yourself face the problem of speaking over the heads of most people. I don't mean you should not, there are enough of you big brain types that find this kind of content helpful and probably play Minecraft as well. 😉
Primitive Baptist
Most calvinists I know are hyper or borderline hyper calvinists. But to be fair, that's the logical conclusion of calvinism
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Shut up
I do wish more Calvinistic Baptists would use the term particular Baptists since that was what we went by historically. Cause the Reformed folks couldn't let go of the last vestige of Catholicism and we wanted to differentiate ourselves.
cara eu já suspeitava que voce fosse calvinista pelo jeito que é os seus videos bom eu gostaria de te mostrar algumas passagens da biblia brasileira que me ajudaram quando eu vi um video traumatico do juizo final que quase tirou minha fé
14 De que adianta, meus irmãos, alguém dizer que tem fé, se não tem obras? Acaso a fé pode salvá-lo?
15 Se um irmão ou irmã estiver necessitando de roupas e do alimento de cada dia
16 e um de vocês lhe disser: "Vá em paz, aqueça-se e alimente-se até satisfazer-se", sem porém lhe dar nada, de que adianta isso?
17 Assim também a fé, por si só, se não for acompanhada de obras, está morta.
18 Mas alguém dirá: "Você tem fé; eu tenho obras". Mostre-me a sua fé sem obras, e eu lhe mostrarei a minha fé pelas obras.
19 Você crê que existe um só Deus? Muito bem! Até mesmo os demônios crêem - e tremem!
20 Insensato! Quer certificar-se de que a fé sem obras é inútil?
21 Não foi Abraão, nosso antepassado, justificado por obras, quando ofereceu seu filho Isaque sobre o altar?
22 Você pode ver que tanto a fé como as suas obras estavam atuando juntas, e a fé foi aperfeiçoada pelas obras.
23 Cumpriu-se assim a Escritura que diz: "Abraão creu em Deus, e isso lhe foi creditado como justiça", e ele foi chamado amigo de Deus.
24 Vejam que uma pessoa é justificada por obras, e não apenas pela fé.
25 Caso semelhante é o de Raabe, a prostituta: não foi ela justificada pelas obras, quando acolheu os espias e os fez sair por outro caminho?
26 Assim como o corpo sem espírito está morto, também a fé sem obras está morta
essas seitas evangelicas que existem no brasil falam que por exemplo se uma pessoa(tipo o monobola austriaco da segunda guerra mundial) aceitar jesus como salvador ele tá no céu e isso eu não aceito cara eu como católico não aceito que as pessoas queiram sei que não são todas mais tem pessoas que realmente acham que fé sem obras é o suficiente pra ser salvo no evangelico brasileiro
inclusive eu faço questão de comentar em minha lingua nativa
no brasil existe os traficantes neopentecostais no rio de janeiro eles acham que por terem fé tão salvos e que podem fazer toda maldade possivel que ainda serão salvos outra anomalia do nosso brasilzão é que as duas maiores igrejas do brasil são a igreja assembleia de deus e a igreja universal do reino de deus que já avisando essas igrejas do brasil são seitas a igreja universal do reino de deus quase gerou uma guerra santa no brasil por que o pastor sergio vonhelder chutou a imagem de nossa senhora em rede nacional na rede de televisão record alem de 5 dos maiores milionarios do brasil e até metade dos bilionarios do brasil são pastores da assembleia de deus e da universal alem que tentaram instaurar uma teocracia no brasil
reedemed zoomer eu sei que voce provavelmente não vai entender o que to falando mais poderia falar dessas seitas do brasil a assembleia de deus e a igreja universal do reino de deus que tem mais da metade dos cristãos do brasil(a outra metade somos nós católicos)
Im ex protestant reformed church. Ama
Now you’re Baptist?
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty Roman catholic
This is such a poor video my guy. Calvanism is such a strange belief.
I think you got a point about the Baptists cuz I would consider primitive Baptists hypercalvinist. They reject that the elect require faith to be saved. TBF I think this has much more to do with an improper understanding of the atonement than Calvinism.