Springboks Beat All Blacks: Time to Panic for NZ? | It's Only Sport
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- The All Blacks have suffered yet another defeat at the hands of the Springboks, going down 18-12 in Cape Town in their second rugby test of the year. New Zealand have now lost four straight against their arch-rivals, which hasn't happened since 1949 - a year where New Zealand lost all six tests they played (four to South Africa and two to Australia).
It's Only Sport host Martin Devlin gets perspectives from both corners of the ring. Firstly, he is joined by SuperSport's Philasande Sixaba who offers a South African perspective, and talks about why their national rugby side are so good and whether or not they can get better.
Then, Devlin is joined by former All Black Richard Turner who dives deep to find positives in New Zealand's performance.
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I'm a SAFFA but will tell you, the AB have nothing to worry about. It took us 18 months to go from our lowest to the pinnacle. There's no need for the AB to panic at all. You got some awesome youngsters in your team, also your #NoInternationals selection is not helping
Leave the young guys alone we have won 6 in a row, tough games start off. Leave out the negatives focus on the postives. ❤
What young guys - Boks had 290 less caps at Ellispark??
We are all in good spirits and full of banter cos there's just so many moments to commemorate
Winning 4 in a row against the All Blacks is no fluke
That is huge
and kudos to Rassie's Empowerment Plan
Ons se Ho'yaaaa....... Ho'yaaaaaaa Ho'yaaaaaa
Boks and NZ both fielding alot of young guys....SA rotating players with every game sofar.... difference is in being able to find the win and stay composed under pressure....SA youngsters showing alot of maturity.
Never count the All Black's out. You will develop over the next few years and Razor is trying new combinations and testing the waters. Give him and the ABs time.
The Springboks would even be more developed!
@@philipstrydom3644 I'm sure we will be. But the springboks started their development under Rassie in 2018. ABs are starting now under Razor. Things take time to change.
What a laugh, ur rubbish mate
Boks were in worse position in 2016 and 2017. Look at them now sitting high and mighty...
It’s inevitable that the all blacks will be number one again
Relax everyone. Glass is half full … yes it’s 4 in a row but other than Twickenham they were in position to win the other three. It’s winning big moments than will come with experience. Aussie on the other hand are in serious trouble. The glass isn’t half empty even, it’s shattered at this point.
Goodness there must be 20 games in the last 10 years we as SA could say the same. Once that mentality creep sets in, it can take a cycle or two to erase. Whilst I don’t think it’s panic stations for NZ, it cannot be business as usual. If it is, better for us.
Mate, it’s not just four games. NZ have lost 6 out of the last 9 games between the Boks. People need to stop thinking “the games are close” and focus on the fact that 6 out of 9 games have been lost - a very concerning pattern. Comforting oneself with “close losses” was never something the All Blacks did - and shows how the culture of losing is becoming accepted and normalised. Nobody cares if the games were close or not - they look at the win / loss ledger and it is becoming alarmingly lopsided of late.
Just like the lions in 1966..Razor needs a free hand in the selections, free from PC interference from the Rugby board in Molsworth St; the previous coach and Ms Reddy the former lawyer and Air NZ Board chair. A return to kiwi crusader principles of 22/23 years ago. 12 pakehas and 3 Maoris, no one from Samoa, no one from sutcland or bishop pie, ie no one from the Hutt.
I don't think Razor will be doing much break dancing this year lol
yeah needs to grow up
lol Raygun for the win
10 years ago Argentina pumped the Boks in the scrum.. NZ not picking their overseas based players is nuts. The AB's have always relied on chemistry between the players and that does seem to be missing, especially in the backs.
Panic? We lost 2 close games to the World Champion Boks on their home soil. If anything, these 2 games revealed to us everything we need to know. We know where we need to improve and we know what we have going for us. I’m glad we’re learning this now and not right before the next World Cup
SPRINGBOKS can only get better. Lots of room for improvement. Tony Brown will get us to the try line with style.
Let’s just enjoy the moment- we have have come 2nd to the mighty All Blacks more times than I wish to recall. The Boks will improve but so too the AB’s!!!
What I will say is that Rassie & Co have started to tap into the hidden talents that our political past has kept away - now our pool is so much bigger and talent galore is starting to come through!! Go Bokke!!
"our political past has kept away"
You mean the institutionalised racism where you and your grandfathers treated the majority of your own country like cattle?
Both sides need work. ABs will always come back. Boks in a great place, but need more accuracy. Go hard boys 💪
Enjoying all the compliments. But we are very much a work in progress. And still have a long way to go in our more expansive style. All the breakdown turnovers on Saturday shows that.
Have faith lads
The reality is, that the Boks could put together 2 world class teams, whereas we struggle to put together 1 team. The cupboard is a bit thin, but we are slowly developing some quality players. Just look at these 2 games in SA, out of it have come, Tamaiti Williams, Ethan Blackadder and Wallace Sititi, all tested at the top level and shown they are up to it. Why is our cupboard so bare, just look back at the last 3 years, Sam Cane being the perfect example. Blood some more new players like Noah Hotham and in 12 months we will be fine
Look after your age group players and your 7's...NZ led the world in 7's...!!!
Relax, were rebuilding and they're in a golden era. SA really are brilliant. When you win the very very close ones consistently like we used to, that's how you know. Well be fine
This was always bound to happen...happens all the time to big teams in world sport...everything goes in cycles. Boks have had many poor cycles before while NZ are probably experiencing their first major one. The only question is how long will it last...a year or ten? Look at the Windies cricket team for example...looks permanent.
All Blacks in a poor cycle? They lost the World Cup Final by 1 point! Saffa here.
@@rooftile883 By their standards...what would you call this poor cycle? Don't forget the record loss at Twickers last year too. Unheard of by AB standards. Losing to Argentina regularly; first ever series loss at home to Ireland...
Marty from SA - your local comp Super Rugby 🏉 pasifika is not up to standard where as the domestic teams of the Saffas are playing up north more fiscal and fast paste
More fiscal, as in more lucrative? I'd agree with that.
New Zealand have shown enough flashes of brilliance to convince me they'll return to the no. 1 spot in the world by 2027. I think they will win the next Webb Ellis - if they give their coaches time to build a team. To expect them to beat the Boks in their own backyard under a new management structure, and without several elite players who retired after 2023, is unrealistic. The Boks are coasting after two world cups in a row and the best strength in depth they've ever had. New Zealand do not have the same depth, were badly coached for years under Fozzie, and are in search of a new identity. Does this mean Razor can do no wrong? Of course not. It does mean we need a sense of perspective when assessing the ABs' evolution. He needs time to get things to click.
Saying you WILL win the next RWC is a pretty arrogant statement considering the AB's have lost 7 of 10 RWC's
Sorry to say mate but I disagree, Fozzie was not the problem, your ABs have become predictle in attack since Razor came in and they rarely are a threat, not scoring in the last 20min is concerning. Fozzie did not have this issue, he was working with what he had, to blame him for losing now is crazy.
@@fomofud9479 You? I'm half South African, half Irish. 😅 I want a team wearing green to win the next Webb Ellis, but I've been following the game long enough to know that purple patches come and go and the only constant in world rugby is South African and All Blacks greatness. The ABs came within a conversion of winning the last one and they managed that with fourteen men. They are elite whether they lose or not.
@davesmith826 the AB's are always going to be in with a chance, as are the Boks, the current Irish side, France, and England. I agree with you, this is a young AB side, and Razor is a great coach, and they can only get better from here until 2027. However, I will say that the AB dominance of the past is in the past, and it's a far more open playing field now. Will they have a good chance in 2027, 100%, will they win it, maybe but you can put maybe behind 5 sides at least. The number 1 side in the world is the Boks, the most consistent side, Ireland and the side wih the most potential, the AB's. Throw France and England in the mix who both have good RWC records as the share 1 RWC and 7 finals between them it's anybodies RWC to win, no guarantees whatsoever. Out of 10 RWC's the favourites have only won 4 x.
@@davesmith826don't think this is just a "purple patch"....so I disagree....Boks have started introducing alot more youth and giving them exposure, management team is also fairly new in areas....and thus they are also exposed to alot of the same issues... difference is in the SA mindset change that has happened after defending the WC.
As a Saffa, no need to panic, ABs will bounce back and only just lost two close games to world champs,
Remember SA was in a similar spot a few years ago, Trust Razor and the system, ABs will always be world class and will pump the Aussies in next two tests
True. But the problem is SA played badly in both games. The gap is not the points diff.
Super Rugby has become a "second division" tournament. Effectively, the NZ franchises are only testing themselves again one another. This reminds me of SA's isolation years, when the Currie Cup was all we had, and it took us years to catch up, post isolation. NZ Rugby needs to somehow resolve this situation to improve the depth and quality of its playing pool. I suggest starting by allowing overseas based players who compete at a higher level week in, week out, to be eligible for the AB's.
SA here. No worries ABs are a great team. Next game 50/50
Why are the Ab's not selecting players true to their identity, like Hoskins Sotutu, Akira Ioane, steven perofeta, shaun stevenson, emoni narawa,mike proctor
Keep calm and carry on. We’re not that far off. If we had executed better we could have won both of those test matches.
I'm an irish rugby fan. Always watched and admired Allblacks. Aswome blublle has burst. I always asked how many international players from other teams would grace allblack teams of past 1 or 2 if your lucky.
All Blacks should be a force to reckon with at the next world cup with the current young players. But they will reach good success before then.
ABs are looking solid, it’s just a matter of time that those little things start coming together, but what I feel, more than anything they need to come back mentally/psychologically and have the belief
Truth is us South Africans must enjoy this while it lasts. 5 or so retirement’s by the likes of PSDT, Eben, Marx, Kolisi, Malherbe, pollard … which are all near … and this picture could change dramatically. Ask NZ what happens when once in a generation talents move on.
Guys seriously? Trust the process. Just remember that you guys once beat South Africa by 57 points 😮. We have never had such a massive margin. Let the 2025 tour determine where you are going as a team. But rest assured South Africa are licking their lips in anticipation of our next battle. Bring on 2025.
We've been down this road before, it ain't time to panic. Your SA guest is correct, Razor needs to build experience into this side by throwing new blood into the cauldron. They seem hesitant to experiment to find needed combinations that work. Rotating the same players in and out that definitely isn't working well enough is just a waste of time. Razor and co. need to find a new "group" of play makers to build a future RWC squad around.
Whenever that question has to be asked. You know it's time to panic. Remember a time not too long ago when if Ian Foster were to lose two tests in SA, he would have been fired! Now, it has become accessible. Am I missing something here?
The All Blacks are building depth and capacity, staying power ~ hold your fire ‼️⁉️💫
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How are they building depth when players are left on the bench and they complain?
And their pundits saying that players must play for 80 minutes
Razor runs a risk of becoming the NZ Heyneke Meyer....brilliant at provincial level...but just not enough at international level.
Its rebuild time. Time to bring new young bucks that can win the world cup in 27. Its gone be tough but have faith.
Razor is quoted as saying that it’s a question of small margins. That said, what does NZRU not help the cause by making key players who are currently not available for selection available?
You have to say yourself which of the current coach or the squad would actually make the NZ of 2010 -20115.
lol, so are all NZ so dramatic? Lost 2 games against the world champs at home and now it’s the end of the world. A year from now all your young players will have more experience, your new coach will have more experience too. Jeez
I don't know why the ABs are in a panic. You have new players, new management I really wouldn't panic yet. If u lose against the Ozzies then yes Panic
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I simply do not get a strong sense of leadership coming from Scott. That together with the practice of naming 4/5 vice captains, feels like weakness or indecision in the camp. As a Saffa, in recent years (from what I read and watch on documentaries) there is a strong leadership collective that supports Siya. It could just be a lack of personality or media spark in SB, but his captaincy feels flat both on and off the field. At the end of the day, what we think on our sofas doesn’t matter over how his team responds to his leadership.
You havent been paying much attention have you?
NZ fans are to hard on there team. There playing No1 team on the world. if it was any other team the AB would smoke them! the wheel turns the Ab will rise. As a bok fan we need to be humble in victory. But let us have our moment.
Calm down fellas. Give it time Razor and his team will fix things.
3 losses in 1 year is unacceptable. ABs still have to play England, Ireland and France later this year away from home. Ever lost 6 games in a year? Oh boy...
Good humility bro
Haha, no, no panic. We actually played for the most part ok in those last two matches, and they put themselves in positions to win them. A few mistakes made and at this level most teams can punish you. To get a SA team in their best form in years and at home and not get blown away but lose in close games is something to be acknowledged. Penalties and ill discipline is a negative though, costing them big time. Yes we also need to manage the final 20, which is something ABs teams have nearly always been good at. Of concern to me is once again, no one attempting a drop kick or set up that play. Seems like we haven’t learnt that since Carter retired.
All Blacks - RIP
Nice one mate
What does panicking get you? Has panicking ever helped anyone? No. So calm down, put your heads down and get back up
Rugby can’t have the All Blacks dominating again. The All Blacks have been consistently the best for last 20 years. Hopefully the next 20 years don’t see one team dominate again.
Ignore the positive comments ❤
Its more about not expecting to lose..
What are you guys talking about, Dmac gets that penalty, NZ could have won the game in the 72nd minute
These are tight games
A test match consist of 80 minutes.
All Blacks will improve 2025, we will be BLACK with Power
Millions of New Zealand residents have left the country in the last one year. This is the HIGHEST annual number ever. This because the country is facing some major economic and sport defeat. Top players have been insulted through the media and prefer to play in Japan and Europe and their islands of origin. Mexted, Marshall and Jeff Wilson are chief culprits...breaking the spirit of younger players
They really have morphed into whiny old farts.
Why the panic when losing a few games? No sport team stay at the top forever. Boks, NZ, Ireland, everyone will go through a dip at some point.
Will probably get tougher for Razor. End of year tour coming up against England, Ireland, France and Italy. Could easily lose 3 of 4. And the banana peel of Australia before then in TRC. His record after all that won’t look good.
Panic? God some Kiwis are just knee-jerk fools. As an American who loves how NZ plays this great game, I am consistently appalled at the negative, brutal, and sometimes preposterous comments by New Zealanders against their team (maybe I should stop reading the Reader Comments on Stuff articles). I mean, I get it: you don't like losing and you want every team to be like the Richie McCaw teams of 2011-15. But it ain't that now, is it? Still, you've got great players albeit in a completely new coaching set up, so -- as everyone keeps saying -- it's going to take time. No team has outright pummeled the AB's since Razor took over, as some Kiwis seem to be suggesting. Yes, the losses are frustrating, but let's stop acting like the All Blacks are in the situation that the Wallabies are in. Now THAT was a loss (67-27) to be concerned about. Keep things in perspective, people. Razor didn't accidentally become a winning coach for so many years.
Everyone says SA is in a "purple patch", but they're not at all. So many mistakes, lost lineouts and turnovers in loose play. And still winning. That's what worries me. If SA was playing a tight, controlled game then sure, but they're not.
Good game expected, not to worry, need to work on discipline, we lost the game when one of our ill discipline boy send out, it the same at the first game, Im not a fan of the All Black coach but I can see what he is trying to do with the team and there game plan, keep it up you maybe 3 or 4 game what the coach is trying to do will bloom.
I wonder if the problem is mental. We seem to be doing the Australian thing and admiring our work, and letting teams off the hook after we score by making silly mistakes, or exiting poorly. We need to have the mindset that we don't just want to win, but destroy teams. I wonder if we are trying to just protect our lead, and shut up shop. You can't protect a lead if your just defending for the last 15. We're missing moanga badly. Not knocking Damien, but I believe he is a specialist reserve who can come on late and run at tired forwards.
The book should never have been called " the jersey". Its much more important than a " record". Its about your country, first ,second and last.
Thats what it means for a country like SA now.
@phillipsugwas Well done South Africa. I thought we let the first game slip, but we definitely weren't the better team in the second. New Zealand talk about the jersey as special. I like many other kiwis refused to buy an Allblack jersey for a long time when they first started selling them in shops, because I believe you had to earn the right to wear it. Obviously, I've changed my tune, because I know now that it's professional the proceeds go to the team. NZ care about our country just as much as South Africa. It's more than a game for us. Unfortunately younger nz kids are becoming more diverse in the sports which they are interested in, which is Unfortunately not helping our national sport. We simply don't have the population to make up the numbers. I don't think the Allblacks are too far off, and many of our young players are only 23, and not by any means near there peak. So, the future is looking OK. I think not having South Africa in the super rugby is definitely hurting our performance. My thinking is Australia rugby is in danger of completely collapsing. Peter steph du toit has got to be in the conversation for world's best player at the moment. A great defender.
Don't panic, the greatest All Black team came from a rude awakening in 2009. We had a great Bok team like now. Funny also this Bok team born from a good thrashing from the All Blacks & we slowly ate away at your dominance. The 2019 game at the world cup was a turning point if watched closely. So no no packing this ain't the greatest All Blacks & this is a generational Bok team.
ABs need overseas players to be at best...times have changed but NZR still lives in the past...change is a constant... depth will continue to wane until policy changes...wins bring more $...2nd and 3rd not so much
Add top 4 Japan sides and Argentina into Super
Which overseas players would you include in the squad? I can only think of Richie Mo. But as a Saffa don't closely follow your game.
Rugby is swings and roundabouts...you had your time, now it is SA's time but it will change and the wheel will turn and NZ will rise again...SA just needs to capitalise on their time in the sun, the treble is on!
Heaps of talent plenty of guns about newbies look awesome Razor needs to be bit braver with selections s and get bench on regardless bro!! Go ABs
Add your overseas players to the team, a few more games and you are world beaters. Don't know what the panic is about.
Our players are not as good as that dominant era also Ireland and SA,France are high quality
Lets be very honest. The direction Razor is going is way off. The end of the year Northern Hemisphere tour is coming and it is the perfect time to realign and makes changes.
Firstly, a few pointers for Razor. BB and DMAc are not 1st Fives. As long as these two start all blacks will never win big games. Pick only one in the reserve for big games as cover for FB. Richie Moanga is ok and better than BB and DMAc at 1st five. If Richie is available BB and Dmac should never be picked.
Secondly, Rico has to go. Rico is the reason why all blacks did not win the world cup. It was lost in the quarter final when he sledged departing Irish player. Perhaps if he had performed a haka and bring him to tears rather than derail him in his last day, Rugby Gods will be smiling at AB. It is karma. Like Gregans "wait 4 more years" Sledge and austrlai lost to final to England
On the other hand, you see the South African players will never ever do such acts and go down that low. They are very respectful and good people and they will keep winning. Rugby Gods will make South Africa win and they will keep winning unless Scott makes these changes
Thirdly, Don't let Sam Cane go. All Blacks have to keep him for big games. All Blacks Maul Defense is good because of him. Just keep him at test level and no other Rugby or very minimal club Rugby. Young loosies should hang around with Cane and learn about humility and respect
A message to BB, Dmac, Rico, Ardie Savea and TJ. Please make yourselves unavailable for 2 years. Ardie you are good but not a Back Row. You are too light.
That out of the way, now let’s select the team.
Front row sorted out by Jason Ryan. Won’t talk about it.
Locking sorted out with Tupou, Scott, Darry, Pat Tuipulotu and Josh Lord
Loosies. Do away with Ardie for a while. Go with Siti, Sotutu, Cane, Ethan, Jacobson, Papalii and Finau
Young stars like Satiti and Finau have to be grounded and train hard in the gym and bulk up for the next world cup. Sotutu has to work harder off the ball.
Half Backs: TJ out. Cam Roigard [has to learn to scream and communicate game time], Ratima and Noah Hotham
Back Line: 1st Five: Harry Plummer [Inside center Cover]
2nd five: JB [Fullback and first five cover]
Outside Centre: Billy Proctor / ALB
Wings: Clarke and Will Jordon [Fullback Cover]
Fullback: Ruben Love [1st Five Cover]
Wings: Shaun Stevson [Fullback Cover], Talaea and Narawa
Centre: Quinn Tupaea
Messaage to BB, DMac, Ardiae, Rico and TJ. If you want All Backs to evolve and be world leaders again, please make yourselves unavailable for 2 years. Please just do it for your country. You will come back stronger in 2 years.
New Zealand team reminds me of NSW State of Origin. They always had the best players in their positions but never selected them in their position until Madge came and now NSW will be untouchable.
Because most of the SA players will be in there 30's in the next world cup...where ours won't be. Peaking now, but what about in 3 1/2 years?
many young rsa players coming thru too. dont get ahead of yourself
NZ look good. Lost two close games away from home it happens.
Robertson is way out of his depth not an international standard coach maybe one day selections so bad perenara McKenzie the midfielders and Barrett is not an all blacks captain
Pity the person who is the Head Coach of either the ABs or SA rugby.
These countries want success. There is no"leeway". For example, the poor performance of the SA age group players , ditto their undercooked 7's, provoked a storm of protest amongst the game's lovers in SA
But because of the real love of the rugby union game, and its visible ( as opposed to past theoretical) access to all racial groupings in SA ,it seems the flow of talent to their teams will simply increase. And there is prodigious amounts of talent , "out there"
Philasande said a whole bunch of words without saying anything at all😅
Huh?
No you’re just racist.
Both times. Props yellow cards in the last 15 mins.
Keys bragged they never loose under national, under luxon they can't win 😮😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Very Difficult to beat the reigning world champions at home, especially when they’ve effectively replaced their pack. 15 players should play 80 minutes except for injury. Before any triggered SA fans comment, I’d say that if it was any team doing it.
OR, your team could get better and develop more bench options
Funny how nobody was calling for only 15 players when NZ had a stacked bench between 2010-2015. Very odd that when NZ are struggling with depth that now the calls come for only 15. Funny how that happens🤔
Why?
@@notenoughstones3873 shouldn’t have happened then either. I’m not a kiwi or a SA. And both teams are awesome btw.
But, it’s not good for the players’ health having impact teams smashing their way for a short time. Hey, why should I be concerned, I won’t be drinking out a straw in a care home .
@@DAllan-lz3lg sorry but you are 100% wrong here. The increase in substitutes has reduced injuries and improved player welfare. Players don’t play as many minutes, they don’t play through injuries, making them worse etc.
South Africa were not good at all at closing out games against Ireland like philasande is saying here
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Let’s be clear. The 2011 NZ World Cup was rigged to the eyeballs. Bryce Lawrence delivered the most disgraceful refereeing to force the Springboks out against the Wallabies. Then more controversial paid refereeing in the final against France, who were clearly better than NZ in that final. No objections in 2016 but 2011 was a complete farce, FACT.
The Haka has lost its mojo,lol.
All black talent doesn’t look as good as it used to, in my opinion. Some are great but overall, just seems like they’ve lost their way a bit
You'll hit the bottom when you lose to the Wallabies...
They won't. The Aussies can't play well for 30 minutes, let alone 80. The ABs are never more dangerous than after a loss and will be coming for blood. If they were facing Argentina on the other hand...
@@davesmith826 yeah but that didn't work this time did it 2 losses in a row
@@helenlizzystewart4908 They were playing one of the greatest sides in history in their own backyard. The current crop of Australians just shipped 65 points to Argentina. Chalk and cheese.
The all blacks was not that bad.the boks is just to good at the moment.that comes from winning back to back world cups.they just had the believe that no one can beat them.and the problem is that the all ablacks probably thinks the same thing to that the current bok team is to good.
Selection and poor kicking tactics letting the allblacks down.
"It's only sport"...said every woke ladyboy on the planet.
Hahahaha 😆