Definitely not the only one buddy, I understand people have their margins and that but some sellers at shows need to have some common sense on the valuations, especially when there is sold listings for a reason.
I do wonder how they keep afloat as a business, it will be interesting to see who's still around and trading in a few years time. I feel sorry for buyers who don't take the time to check online to make sure they're getting value for money
@@JamesCollectibles yeah that’s the thing no matter how much I need something for the collection I refuse to buy over the odds just because it’s there in front of me.
Quite an important point that needs to be considered is, buying at shows is a buy it now situation. Not an auction situation. As most people know - buy it now sales on ebay tend to be a fair bit higher than auction sales which are heavily dependent on having at least 2 people bidding and willing to pay full market value. Cards regularly go below market value at auction. Using auction comps in a buy it now situation has always seemed a bit strange to me. At the end of the day the vendor wants the price that they want and the buyer wants the price that they want. Its ok if that doesn't result in a deal.
I understand that, however that mewtwo was a BIN at £165 on ebay. A difference of 15% EXCLUDING fees, I've since bought one at £130 (33% less, and on ebay) With the ivysaur there aren't a lot of comps on that grade, so you have to go with what's available, that doesn't change the fact the exact same card was available a grade better for the vendors best price. I understand the vendors have their price, but I've had multiple DMs since this video going live saying people just walk away and spend thier cash elsewhere
@JamesCollectibles and that's fine too mate isn't it. If the customer isn't happy they buy it somewhere else. I don't agree with the notion that cards should be cheaper at card shows than on eBay. I must admit - I did think that at the start however after seeing how hard the vendors work and the hours they put in to this scene (myself included) with the loading the van/car at 6 in the morning, giving up weekends, driving 4 hours, setting up, packing down, being on your feet all day and that's without mentioning the "fees" which comes along with vending (table costs, petrol, hotel etc). So both methods of sale incur fees for the seller (if you are a business like myself that is). All things considered - eBay is a much more convenient means of selling for the seller whereas card shows are a much more convenient means of buying for the buyer. You get to see the card in person and walk away with the card right away. It's an interesting topic and I enjoy talking about it as I fall on both sides as a seller and a buyer ✌🏼
Hey James, it's Sam (the wally at 11:43 in the video). Good to meet you properly and hope you enjoyed the show (despite the greedy vendors). You are spot on to be honest. Way too many vendors are over-priced and inflating the card prices out of greed. I know we have extra fees to pay, but I'm not here to rip anyone off - I'm there to sell the card!
You're Kabuto Sam from now on lol. And you! Glad I got out of there before the rush though lol. I wish you had something I was ofter now, so I could show a positive interaction with a vendor . There's a lot of vendors in it for the money and it shows, and I don't think they'll last
@@JamesCollectibles Yeah you are right, it definitely shows. I'll always sticker things at or below recent solds and if someone shows me a lower price i'll honor it. It doesn't make sense to me at all.
I've experienced the same thing at Belgian and Dutch card shows, it's honestly unbearable with about 80% of vendors selling at astronomical prices. These vendors are basically profiting of people that are new to the hobby or kids even that have no clue about market prices.
Card shows are only good for buying raw cards or sealed product, you get to see in person the condition of the item for me its worth the journey/ time. You can definitely get the cards at a more reasonable rate compared to graded cards and some vendors are happy to do a discount if you buy multiple. Also just fun to open some packs and be around like minded people interested in the hobby of collecting.
could be people who've bought at the peak and too much ego to take a loss on it. Almost flexing a collection rather than actually trying to shift stuff on.
Whenever I’ve had to urge to go to a card show the potential markups on prices make me reconsider. And if I wanted an "experience" I’d rather go to a pre-release or an official event like EUIC at the exCel. Still I might try visiting one next year just to say I’ve been.
This is the problem with Card Show's. London Card show for example is about 3 hours drive away for me, so petrol costs and my time add up to a lot. Why would I spend more and waste my time to buy cards that are much more expensive than online?
I understand some sellers can have stuff priced from older shows etc so keeping up is hard, the issues I have with some of the vendors at shows is when they just won't let you haggle with the price... Like trying to do a deal with some of them is impossible. They just wont sell it for close to last solds even if you offer a little more and they just say they'd rather keep it at that price and wait... can be frustrating. Like what's the point in having it for sale haha
The UK has had massive growth in popularity of card shows... but we are completely missing the long-time established principles and buying culture of the American shows. A culture of negotiation and mutual respect...v.s. takeing advantage of new buyers and a total focus on profit. These british vendors wouldn't sell anything at American shows...and for a good reason. They need to wake up and realise that most buyers aren't stupid... in fact, in most cases, the buyer will be more knowledgeable on any specific card.
The thing is you very rarely if ever get close to what the last one sold for regardless what the item is. The last sold price = that persons now out of the market and the other bidder probably has lesser interest is the way I see it. These shows, thrift stores, markets, charity shops have been ruined by greed. The Pokemon market is very volatile and it won't be long before they all get a reality check. Won't be long before the market crashes massively and this whole retro fad dies out and suddenly people want art deco or something from another period.
Understandable, but comps is the way the Americans have done it for years. And they're TCG community appears a lot more harmonious. Yeah greed is everywhere, it's the world we live in nowadays
that first interaction kind of tells you all you need to know about the current expectation of vendors at shows. "I like that card, I'll keep it as stock"..nah, that seemed like he hoped someone less clued up buys that for £195 haha! I'd be suprised if that PSA 7 sold for asking considering its fairly niche and not that liquid. I had my first experience at a card show recently and for the most part vendors didn't seem keen at all to budge on any stickered price. on a positive I did have a good experience with Elite4 and some other vendors but was very few and far between..kind of makes me think its near impossible in the current climate for any reasonable margin/negoiation to be created between buyer and seller. the low feedback on eBay guy made me chuckle..
It depends on the vendor, most I've dealt with will work with you, unfortunately nowadays I'm mostly nicheing down to a couple of sets. Elite4 are great, I've bought from them a few times. I'm happy to take my money elsewhere, eventually other people will too
Many people look at USA comps and assume its the same price here at a local event. Every single PSA card you see outside USA has had to travel to get there. I usually do a straight swap from dollars (e g $100 comp usually sells for £100 here). They are paying fees for the table, you get the card in seconds, no risk of ebay/postage risks. If you're looking to buy to invest don't go to vendors. Its like going to a car show room and trying to get a comp from facebook marketplace lol
@@AndyHolla you can definitely still get some good deals at card shows it just depends on the vendor and if they have old price stickers on the cards and they are happy to honour previous sales
You moan a lot , why dont you just buy what you want on ebay - Poor guys are standing there all day to make a living , you are paying for the experience as well as seeing everything - i bet you go to the burger vans and moan that the burgers are dearer than Burger king !!!
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This is the problem with UK card shows atm, you show them comps and listed prices and they still think their prices are the best value 🤣
It's actually bloody mental! I'm glad I'm not the only one
Definitely not the only one buddy, I understand people have their margins and that but some sellers at shows need to have some common sense on the valuations, especially when there is sold listings for a reason.
I do wonder how they keep afloat as a business, it will be interesting to see who's still around and trading in a few years time. I feel sorry for buyers who don't take the time to check online to make sure they're getting value for money
yeah was wondering if it was a UK thing ha
@@JamesCollectibles yeah that’s the thing no matter how much I need something for the collection I refuse to buy over the odds just because it’s there in front of me.
Quite an important point that needs to be considered is, buying at shows is a buy it now situation. Not an auction situation. As most people know - buy it now sales on ebay tend to be a fair bit higher than auction sales which are heavily dependent on having at least 2 people bidding and willing to pay full market value. Cards regularly go below market value at auction. Using auction comps in a buy it now situation has always seemed a bit strange to me. At the end of the day the vendor wants the price that they want and the buyer wants the price that they want. Its ok if that doesn't result in a deal.
I understand that, however that mewtwo was a BIN at £165 on ebay. A difference of 15% EXCLUDING fees, I've since bought one at £130 (33% less, and on ebay)
With the ivysaur there aren't a lot of comps on that grade, so you have to go with what's available, that doesn't change the fact the exact same card was available a grade better for the vendors best price. I understand the vendors have their price, but I've had multiple DMs since this video going live saying people just walk away and spend thier cash elsewhere
@JamesCollectibles and that's fine too mate isn't it. If the customer isn't happy they buy it somewhere else. I don't agree with the notion that cards should be cheaper at card shows than on eBay. I must admit - I did think that at the start however after seeing how hard the vendors work and the hours they put in to this scene (myself included) with the loading the van/car at 6 in the morning, giving up weekends, driving 4 hours, setting up, packing down, being on your feet all day and that's without mentioning the "fees" which comes along with vending (table costs, petrol, hotel etc). So both methods of sale incur fees for the seller (if you are a business like myself that is). All things considered - eBay is a much more convenient means of selling for the seller whereas card shows are a much more convenient means of buying for the buyer. You get to see the card in person and walk away with the card right away. It's an interesting topic and I enjoy talking about it as I fall on both sides as a seller and a buyer ✌🏼
Hey James, it's Sam (the wally at 11:43 in the video). Good to meet you properly and hope you enjoyed the show (despite the greedy vendors). You are spot on to be honest. Way too many vendors are over-priced and inflating the card prices out of greed. I know we have extra fees to pay, but I'm not here to rip anyone off - I'm there to sell the card!
You're Kabuto Sam from now on lol. And you! Glad I got out of there before the rush though lol. I wish you had something I was ofter now, so I could show a positive interaction with a vendor . There's a lot of vendors in it for the money and it shows, and I don't think they'll last
@@JamesCollectibles Yeah you are right, it definitely shows. I'll always sticker things at or below recent solds and if someone shows me a lower price i'll honor it. It doesn't make sense to me at all.
And you'll still be vending in a decade if you chose to. I don't think the others will lol
I've experienced the same thing at Belgian and Dutch card shows, it's honestly unbearable with about 80% of vendors selling at astronomical prices. These vendors are basically profiting of people that are new to the hobby or kids even that have no clue about market prices.
Belgian & Dutch card shows will follow CardMarket prices, sure Ebay might have listings that look cheaper, until you factor in shipping costs + taxes
They won't last, people will cotton on eventually. I'm all for making a profit, but what I saw on that day was just hilarious
@@88Mahogany They don't follow CM prices at all. Don't know if you're from here and ever went to a show
Card shows are only good for buying raw cards or sealed product, you get to see in person the condition of the item for me its worth the journey/ time. You can definitely get the cards at a more reasonable rate compared to graded cards and some vendors are happy to do a discount if you buy multiple. Also just fun to open some packs and be around like minded people interested in the hobby of collecting.
could be people who've bought at the peak and too much ego to take a loss on it. Almost flexing a collection rather than actually trying to shift stuff on.
True, I think there's a lot of that going around, they'll break even when we have another pandemic 😄
Whenever I’ve had to urge to go to a card show the potential markups on prices make me reconsider. And if I wanted an "experience" I’d rather go to a pre-release or an official event like EUIC at the exCel.
Still I might try visiting one next year just to say I’ve been.
It's still worth gping, there's a lot of good eggs out there!
This is the problem with Card Show's. London Card show for example is about 3 hours drive away for me, so petrol costs and my time add up to a lot. Why would I spend more and waste my time to buy cards that are much more expensive than online?
It's going to put regular buyers off, all that will be left are those new to the hobby and once they cotton on they will have no repeat customers
I understand some sellers can have stuff priced from older shows etc so keeping up is hard, the issues I have with some of the vendors at shows is when they just won't let you haggle with the price... Like trying to do a deal with some of them is impossible. They just wont sell it for close to last solds even if you offer a little more and they just say they'd rather keep it at that price and wait... can be frustrating. Like what's the point in having it for sale haha
Yeah, but they might have low feedback 😉
The UK has had massive growth in popularity of card shows... but we are completely missing the long-time established principles and buying culture of the American shows. A culture of negotiation and mutual respect...v.s. takeing advantage of new buyers and a total focus on profit.
These british vendors wouldn't sell anything at American shows...and for a good reason. They need to wake up and realise that most buyers aren't stupid... in fact, in most cases, the buyer will be more knowledgeable on any specific card.
Spot on, they will soon notice when they're sitting on stock they think is worth hundreds of thousands and no one buying anything from them lol
The thing is you very rarely if ever get close to what the last one sold for regardless what the item is. The last sold price = that persons now out of the market and the other bidder probably has lesser interest is the way I see it.
These shows, thrift stores, markets, charity shops have been ruined by greed. The Pokemon market is very volatile and it won't be long before they all get a reality check. Won't be long before the market crashes massively and this whole retro fad dies out and suddenly people want art deco or something from another period.
Understandable, but comps is the way the Americans have done it for years. And they're TCG community appears a lot more harmonious. Yeah greed is everywhere, it's the world we live in nowadays
that first interaction kind of tells you all you need to know about the current expectation of vendors at shows.
"I like that card, I'll keep it as stock"..nah, that seemed like he hoped someone less clued up buys that for £195 haha!
I'd be suprised if that PSA 7 sold for asking considering its fairly niche and not that liquid.
I had my first experience at a card show recently and for the most part vendors didn't seem keen at all to budge on any stickered price.
on a positive I did have a good experience with Elite4 and some other vendors but was very few and far between..kind of makes me think its near impossible in the current climate for any reasonable margin/negoiation to be created between buyer and seller.
the low feedback on eBay guy made me chuckle..
It depends on the vendor, most I've dealt with will work with you, unfortunately nowadays I'm mostly nicheing down to a couple of sets. Elite4 are great, I've bought from them a few times.
I'm happy to take my money elsewhere, eventually other people will too
Many people look at USA comps and assume its the same price here at a local event. Every single PSA card you see outside USA has had to travel to get there. I usually do a straight swap from dollars (e g $100 comp usually sells for £100 here).
They are paying fees for the table, you get the card in seconds, no risk of ebay/postage risks.
If you're looking to buy to invest don't go to vendors.
Its like going to a car show room and trying to get a comp from facebook marketplace lol
Haha I'm sorry, what?
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dont vendors overprice so yall can haggle?
Apparently not, tried twice in this video and both times wanted me to pay more than the going rate
@@JamesCollectibles thats insane yeah ill stick to buying online then
@@AndyHolla you can definitely still get some good deals at card shows it just depends on the vendor and if they have old price stickers on the cards and they are happy to honour previous sales
I wouldn't rule them out, you'll soon get a feel for the good eggs
You moan a lot , why dont you just buy what you want on ebay - Poor guys are standing there all day to make a living , you are paying for the experience as well as seeing everything - i bet you go to the burger vans and moan that the burgers are dearer than Burger king !!!
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