Been using it on my Airsoft rifles for about five years. Gotta say it’s stopped them getting scratched up as badly as they normally do, great for scraping up against concrete walls, etc. (How many of you are wincing at the idea of leaning your bikes against a wall now 😂)
I bought a custom titanium bike from Engin Cycles about 10 years ago. The graphics were done in Cerakote. I think the technology was not new then. It is passing the durability test.
There was a guy in my unit when I was in the military who had a side business Cerakoting. Never thought to use it on a bike though. I have a few bits and bobs this would work great on. One proviso; this method does lead to small dimensionsl changes so watch out on parts that have precise tolerances.
@GCN, the quiet music with noticeable rhytmic clicking sound is driving me crazy during the interview - please avoid it in future. Top-notch video as always otherwise ❤
i remember marin bikes from back in the late 80's early 90's, their mountain bikes had zolatone paint which was very tough. awesome bikes too (i bought a marin eldridge grade back in 1992 and it was like a quantum leap over my dawes ascent 1988 mtb).
It's paint. Paint is a generic term that covers everything from an artists watercolor to a 100% solids polyurea. "Ceramic" I believe, refers to the polymer or resin it could also refer to the pigments. All (actually most) paints consist of vehicle (resin), pigment, and solvent (100% solids coatings are a bit different). Ceramic coatings are crazy expensive. You can have your bike repainted multiple times before you get close to what it would cost to do this once. Sandblasting (actual silica sand is no longer legal for this use in the US), abrasive blasting, etc. are all the same thing. In the US "shot blasting" refers to the use of round abrasive resulting in a round or more round profile. Various types of materials of various sizes are propelled to the product's surface to create a rough profile to promote adhesion of the coating to the bare surface. This is not a DIY process, although some DIY equipment is available. The calipers in the video would lend themselves to abrasive blasting because of their bulk. Bike frames might not. They are thin and blasting could warp them. I've seen this on aluminum sheet metal which was much thicker than aluminum on a bike frame. However, the ceramic coatings I'm familiar with were designed to promote a tight bond to previous coats of paint. Whether or not this applies to an individual bike depends on the paint system used on that bike and the solvents contained in this kind of product. Everything scratches. What they're talking about is what paint manufacturers refer to as "abrasion resistance." There are test protocols to determine which paint films are more abrasion-resistant than others. Results are often posted on the product data-sheet. Ceramic coatings might be the most abrasion-resistant of all coatings, but they will still scratch just not as easily. He's right when he says they are speeding up the cure. Old fashioned "baking enamels," and I believe they are called "stoving enamels" in the UK, are fully cured when they leave the oven after they cool. Those ovens are typically operated at 300F (149C). This kind of product (sometimes referred to as force cured) achieves most of its hardness and most of its full chemical cure in the oven, but as long as 10 days more air dry at about 75F (24C) and 50% RH or less are needed for full cure. Longer if it is placed in a confined area. Anything this abrasion-resistant might be difficult to impossible to repaint without complete removal. And anything this abrasion-resistant might be so difficult to remove that abrasive blasting would do more harm than good. The idea is that it would not need to be recoated, but stuff happens. Verdict: interesting idea, has its pluses for certain, but probably overkill for a bike at this point. Paint technology is always advancing and if this catches on and the cost comes down sufficiently, it would be well worth looking at.
I wonder why Aiden thought it was strange that Ceracote was common in the firearms industry. We have been using it for decades on firearms. It does fall short in UV fading resistance, it still scratches, and it rubs off from holster wear. Still better than powder coating etc.
oh, i want that on my bike! .. all my bikes look like garbage due to the ice and snow .. and my lack of cleaning them regularly. There are chips and scratches all over. However , it seems not to be widespread enough to go to a local bikeshop and ask for the bike to be painted over.
Fixed your title: "This Paint Scratches Slightly Less. Is This The Future?" Besides the super deceptive title, which is actually an outright lie, I really enjoyed the video.
Also flakes off, cracks, etc etc. Been used on cranks, chainrings and other bike parts before. Lots of interesting use case, but as you say, complete BS video title.
Cerakote is cool; it’s also used in weight lifting stuff to give them a nice colour. That said, more of them than not, stainless steel is usually way more durable and expensive for some reason.
When it does scratch, which happens to every bike ridden hard, can it be repaired easily/non-expensively? Currently I just use my wife's fingernail polish to touch up scratches. She usually changes her color before the bottle is empty. Reviews I've read about Cerakote say it is not cheap to repair.
The video never really described what Cerakote is, what a "ceramic coating" is. Didn't go into the hardness differences between it and epoxy-type paints, didn't do a demonstration of the scratch resistance.
Hi @gcntech #gcntech Alex and Ollie. Big fan of the show and I always look out for the next one. Question for you. I own a Trek Emonda 2018 SL with 105 mech gs. I'm going to replace it with an Ultegra 11spd di2. What do I need other than the gs itself? Do I need to replace my handlebar to install the bar-end junction box? Whay about the seat post? Do you think this old model will fit the di2 battery? Anything else I should be aware of? Thanks much.
Read some people saying that when it comes to the UK and salt on the roads, people found this quickly discolours and cannot deal with the winter, apparently it bulges out and gets corroded badly, so i wouldnt personally be buying a bike with it.. anodising or paint spraying / laquer etc - As for GENERATIONS will remain the go to. Have a go if you live in a summer only part of the world.
So, if Cerakote requires an oven to set the coating, then you wouldn't be able to use it on any carbon fiber bikes as that would melt the carbon fiber, right? So, RideWrap is still not a bad choice for carbon.
@@elizabethpoley6882 cerakote cure temperature is comparable with post-cure treatments of thermoset epoxies. So not only it shouldn't effect the structure, but it can be integrated into existing processes.
What about clear-coating for shine? A temporary shine, probably, but better than no shine at all? I could easily adjust to a lack of shine for a more durable finish. To me, durable is king. In ANYTHING. I think 'durable' is my genes. Long distance running, swimming and biking, you know, durable 😁🤣
Blimey! The Brits have discovered our (American) secret for applying a coating to some of our every-day-carry items! Leave it to them to use it for bicycles -- good job, mates!
Lots of untruths here. Wish you guys did better research. I’m an auto detailer, and I can tell you, cerakote is not much more scratch resistant compared to regular automotive paints. The only reason it is “scratch resistant” is because the finishes are dull, meaning you will not see micro scratches or swirls. If you notice, cerakote doesn’t make full gloss finishes, because it simply is not possible to be high gloss and “scratch resistant” If cerakote were that great, huge automotive companies would be falling head over heels for them.
Wish guys in the comments did better video watching . . . most of your reaction is addressed in the video, if you listened without already thinking you had the answers.
@@AMLay1234 Wish guys like you actually did some research and you would know that Cerakote does not advertise scratch resistance as a benefit of their paint because there is no tangible benefits of cerakote over usual paint systems in terms of scratch protection. What Cerakote is good for is in applicaitions where heat resistance and corrosion are far more important.
Worked in golf/archery shaft industry for over 20 years as a coatings expert. This product is not a miracle. It is a 2k paint much like your cars clear coat. It eill scratch. It will full with some solvents. Did I say it was just paint. Enough said.
Dang it i wish i didn't see the American flag painted bicycle... Now i have to spend money for a paint job i need now, i dont want it... I need it! I hear Patriotic duty calling and i must answer
MORE VIDEOS ON SAFETY AND AFFORDABLE CYCLING PLEASE ! Enough enough guys look we havent got £1000 for best spray kits etc to apply it , allows went to my secret Exmoore location after your videos and what the penultimate day for me was marred by a bike crash or fatality on the Porlock Hill road into porlock from lytnonLate August 2024 , will go into details later . I hope nobody inspired by your pro cycling videos copies you guys it is ridiculous aged 30 I could weave in and out of traffic in central london all day at 64 I cannot do this my terrible life changing cycling accidents happened when I was tired two surgeries later I am still trying to pick my life up . PLEASE CYCLING SAFELY TODAY especially at night when tired should be enough for several podcasts videos lets get priorities right oh and park tools bike maintenance vids are tops and other is this other guy less of the flash and more of whats needed .
Funniest thing is that the coating itself is pretty cheap, just as carbon material for bike frames, it's costly just because its deemed premium for now.
An 18min ad, with no evidence about the product features. Just a bloke and his statements and another bloke asking question so the other bloke can say what he is Paris to say. This is a new los Level for GCN. Shake on you. I can not believe that right now 230 people like this shit.
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Had you ever heard about Cerakote before? 🎨
I think the only context I've heard about it is barbells as it's durable and helps prevent corrosion
Yes, I heard about it from a custom frame builder in upstate NY who has been using it
Absolutely. I like both bikes and guns and cerakote is pretty common at a lot of the gun shows I go to.
Yes, Robby Layton uses it quite a bit on his TH-cam channel and I have heard about it for at least a year before that.
Yes , guns .
A product video that is not an AD? Now that's what we really like!
Close to an AD for Sturdy.
Jack comes across as enthusiastic , honest and knowledgeable. Love this UK based content.
Glad you like it
His bike is incredible 😍
This was a great episode Alex, and refreshing to see the comments sections is largely in agreement!
Also, yellow callipers looks awesome
Been using it on my Airsoft rifles for about five years.
Gotta say it’s stopped them getting scratched up as badly as they normally do, great for scraping up against concrete walls, etc.
(How many of you are wincing at the idea of leaning your bikes against a wall now 😂)
I bought a custom titanium bike from Engin Cycles about 10 years ago. The graphics were done in Cerakote. I think the technology was not new then.
It is passing the durability test.
Pretty popular on gravel bikes already
I really love this more matte/mute finish! looking forward to use it in the future
There was a guy in my unit when I was in the military who had a side business Cerakoting. Never thought to use it on a bike though. I have a few bits and bobs this would work great on. One proviso; this method does lead to small dimensionsl changes so watch out on parts that have precise tolerances.
Brilliant source of information, thank you
Sweet paint job on his Ti bike. 👍
I love this. I might get my P
Orox R14 re-painted in this.
Great tech. Not only a product to make your bike your own, but Sturdy makes some beautiful bikes.
Great explanator this painter. The teaching practice shows.
Nice job Felix!!!!
@GCN, the quiet music with noticeable rhytmic clicking sound is driving me crazy during the interview - please avoid it in future.
Top-notch video as always otherwise ❤
There’s no music?
@hurhurhurhurhruhrurh you're probably listening though speakers, in earphones 🎧 you cannot miss it 😉
I was listening to The Smiths - How Soon Is Now, during the video so I didn't notice.
@@dtsybulskyi This feel like a "I just bought a Sennheiser HD-800 and now everything sounds bad" kinda issue.
Bike industry finally finds ceramic painting lol.
i remember marin bikes from back in the late 80's early 90's, their mountain bikes had zolatone paint which was very tough. awesome bikes too (i bought a marin eldridge grade back in 1992 and it was like a quantum leap over my dawes ascent 1988 mtb).
It's paint. Paint is a generic term that covers everything from an artists watercolor to a 100% solids polyurea. "Ceramic" I believe, refers to the polymer or resin it could also refer to the pigments. All (actually most) paints consist of vehicle (resin), pigment, and solvent (100% solids coatings are a bit different).
Ceramic coatings are crazy expensive. You can have your bike repainted multiple times before you get close to what it would cost to do this once.
Sandblasting (actual silica sand is no longer legal for this use in the US), abrasive blasting, etc. are all the same thing. In the US "shot blasting" refers to the use of round abrasive resulting in a round or more round profile. Various types of materials of various sizes are propelled to the product's surface to create a rough profile to promote adhesion of the coating to the bare surface. This is not a DIY process, although some DIY equipment is available. The calipers in the video would lend themselves to abrasive blasting because of their bulk. Bike frames might not. They are thin and blasting could warp them. I've seen this on aluminum sheet metal which was much thicker than aluminum on a bike frame. However, the ceramic coatings I'm familiar with were designed to promote a tight bond to previous coats of paint. Whether or not this applies to an individual bike depends on the paint system used on that bike and the solvents contained in this kind of product.
Everything scratches. What they're talking about is what paint manufacturers refer to as "abrasion resistance." There are test protocols to determine which paint films are more abrasion-resistant than others. Results are often posted on the product data-sheet. Ceramic coatings might be the most abrasion-resistant of all coatings, but they will still scratch just not as easily.
He's right when he says they are speeding up the cure. Old fashioned "baking enamels," and I believe they are called "stoving enamels" in the UK, are fully cured when they leave the oven after they cool. Those ovens are typically operated at 300F (149C). This kind of product (sometimes referred to as force cured) achieves most of its hardness and most of its full chemical cure in the oven, but as long as 10 days more air dry at about 75F (24C) and 50% RH or less are needed for full cure. Longer if it is placed in a confined area. Anything this abrasion-resistant might be difficult to impossible to repaint without complete removal. And anything this abrasion-resistant might be so difficult to remove that abrasive blasting would do more harm than good. The idea is that it would not need to be recoated, but stuff happens.
Verdict: interesting idea, has its pluses for certain, but probably overkill for a bike at this point. Paint technology is always advancing and if this catches on and the cost comes down sufficiently, it would be well worth looking at.
6:54 Alex thinks ahh i need it to previous show. ( clean crank) 😄😄
Awesome video, you got me wishing I lived in the UK!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Maybe I'll paint my 20yo Honda Accord with that stuff.
I wonder why Aiden thought it was strange that Ceracote was common in the firearms industry. We have been using it for decades on firearms. It does fall short in UV fading resistance, it still scratches, and it rubs off from holster wear. Still better than powder coating etc.
Red painted calipers on a full black bike would look amazing !
Like red Brembo calipers on a motorcycle.
oh, i want that on my bike! .. all my bikes look like garbage due to the ice and snow .. and my lack of cleaning them regularly. There are chips and scratches all over. However , it seems not to be widespread enough to go to a local bikeshop and ask for the bike to be painted over.
Fixed your title: "This Paint Scratches Slightly Less. Is This The Future?"
Besides the super deceptive title, which is actually an outright lie, I really enjoyed the video.
Also flakes off, cracks, etc etc. Been used on cranks, chainrings and other bike parts before. Lots of interesting use case, but as you say, complete BS video title.
Cerakote is cool; it’s also used in weight lifting stuff to give them a nice colour.
That said, more of them than not, stainless steel is usually way more durable and expensive for some reason.
I believe my magnesium Vaast frame is painted in Cerakote. Stops corrosion from even starting.
1:10 Colchester Chipmaster ❤❤❤
The paint that never scratches. 2 points he said, it’s not a paint and it can be scratched 😂
When it does scratch, which happens to every bike ridden hard, can it be repaired easily/non-expensively? Currently I just use my wife's fingernail polish to touch up scratches. She usually changes her color before the bottle is empty.
Reviews I've read about Cerakote say it is not cheap to repair.
I like this very much! 👍
I want this on my car!!!
I assume that you can apply clear Cerakote over existing paint jobs. Then you have both advantages.
Can you clear coat it to get a shine. I know the clear coat can chip but it will still look consistent.
When does heating an aluminum frame affect the frames' original heat treatment?
you can also put clear ceramic coating over a traditional paint.
The video never really described what Cerakote is, what a "ceramic coating" is. Didn't go into the hardness differences between it and epoxy-type paints, didn't do a demonstration of the scratch resistance.
Cause it's not really about the paint, it's about how it's used in bike building.
I might have missed this but, can you paint a carbon frame with this?
I wondered that too. He mentions carbon as being able to be coated.
7:45
1:17 New ceramic coating, that has been around since 1984. 41 years. kekekek GCN face checking department needs a bigger budget ;-)
Hi @gcntech #gcntech Alex and Ollie. Big fan of the show and I always look out for the next one. Question for you. I own a Trek Emonda 2018 SL with 105 mech gs. I'm going to replace it with an Ultegra 11spd di2. What do I need other than the gs itself? Do I need to replace my handlebar to install the bar-end junction box? Whay about the seat post? Do you think this old model will fit the di2 battery? Anything else I should be aware of? Thanks much.
I never knew "RAMI MALEK" is such an awesome painter. I guess the star of BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY has more talent than we hoped for.... NICE !!!☺☺☺
An actual real-time scratch test of the product would be interesting in a vid. Consider me curious.
Very cool.
what are the fenders on that bike?
Read some people saying that when it comes to the UK and salt on the roads, people found this quickly discolours and cannot deal with the winter, apparently it bulges out and gets corroded badly, so i wouldnt personally be buying a bike with it.. anodising or paint spraying / laquer etc - As for GENERATIONS will remain the go to. Have a go if you live in a summer only part of the world.
How much weight does it add to a larger part?
So, if Cerakote requires an oven to set the coating, then you wouldn't be able to use it on any carbon fiber bikes as that would melt the carbon fiber, right? So, RideWrap is still not a bad choice for carbon.
@@elizabethpoley6882 cerakote cure temperature is comparable with post-cure treatments of thermoset epoxies. So not only it shouldn't effect the structure, but it can be integrated into existing processes.
@feedbackzaloop Thanks for the info. It's good to know, as I like Cerakote and would prefer to use that on future bikes instead of RideWrap.
Were there specific figures given for the weight savings? I didn't catch any.
I prefer to use a toasted marshmallow stout to clean my brakes
😂
What a waste!
Thanks Alex and crew , is the good doctor doing any rides where he is right now ? He is next door to me , and it would be pretty cool ?
He told us he was going trick or treating!
@ Excellent. I missed him is he going to Parlee ?
For a metal frame powder coating seems the logical answer.
Is it heavier than paint?
Not that new after all but YES it works very very well 👌
What about clear-coating for shine? A temporary shine, probably, but better than no shine at all? I could easily adjust to a lack of shine for a more durable finish. To me, durable is king. In ANYTHING. I think 'durable' is my genes. Long distance running, swimming and biking, you know, durable 😁🤣
Luv Ti bikes
The results are almost all in the prep. Clean your parts. Acid bath, media blast, out gas and work in a clean environment.
Blimey! The Brits have discovered our (American) secret for applying a coating to some of our every-day-carry items! Leave it to them to use it for bicycles -- good job, mates!
I guess what possible problem might be with that coat. Removing it
was like watching paint dry
LOL, I enjoyed it!
@@festerofest4374 I enjoyed it to but, too good a chance for that lame dad joke
Remember to wear a suitable face mask while watching the video; it could be addictive!
Not a new product. In fact, many, many years old. It definitely scratches.
How can it be strong and hard, yet flexible enough to not crack as the frame flexes?
GCN Tech: This Paint Never Scratches
Obviously, it does not have fingernails
It's good to know that my bike will never feel itchy 😂
Means I will now Ride Thousands and look just as I was doing what I was already.
I noticed they painted & coated over the outer face of the bottom bracket shell. That’s a big no, no. 🙈
I thought that you would be able to paint disc rotors with that, and the painted rotor is scratch free.🤔
Lots of untruths here. Wish you guys did better research.
I’m an auto detailer, and I can tell you, cerakote is not much more scratch resistant compared to regular automotive paints. The only reason it is “scratch resistant” is because the finishes are dull, meaning you will not see micro scratches or swirls. If you notice, cerakote doesn’t make full gloss finishes, because it simply is not possible to be high gloss and “scratch resistant”
If cerakote were that great, huge automotive companies would be falling head over heels for them.
Wish guys in the comments did better video watching . . . most of your reaction is addressed in the video, if you listened without already thinking you had the answers.
Surely it is more scratch resistant as it has a higher hardness level than automotive paint.
Or by automotive "paint" did you really mean powder coat?
@@AMLay1234 Wish guys like you actually did some research and you would know that Cerakote does not advertise scratch resistance as a benefit of their paint because there is no tangible benefits of cerakote over usual paint systems in terms of scratch protection.
What Cerakote is good for is in applicaitions where heat resistance and corrosion are far more important.
What’s with the toilet paper at 4:22?
Scratches at level 6, with deeper grooves at level 7
yes, for high end airguns
To avoid scratching my bike I just buy an over priced brand and just display it on my wall to fool my mates
Worked in golf/archery shaft industry for over 20 years as a coatings expert. This product is not a miracle. It is a 2k paint much like your cars clear coat. It eill scratch. It will full with some solvents. Did I say it was just paint. Enough said.
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Dang it i wish i didn't see the American flag painted bicycle... Now i have to spend money for a paint job i need now, i dont want it... I need it! I hear Patriotic duty calling and i must answer
Relax mate. It’s just an interview. There’s lots of good research articles regarding Cerakote online . Ooops….there’s another “like”. Have a good day.
really? no testing?
Just use a strip of ppf over your painted frame. Far better than ceramic coatings.
The title us absolute clickbait. It's an interesting subject, why feel the need to mislead?
MORE VIDEOS ON SAFETY AND AFFORDABLE CYCLING PLEASE !
Enough enough guys look we havent got £1000 for best spray kits etc to apply it , allows went to my secret Exmoore location after your videos and what the penultimate day for me was marred by a bike crash or fatality on the Porlock Hill road into porlock from lytnonLate August 2024 , will go into details later .
I hope nobody inspired by your pro cycling videos copies you guys it is ridiculous aged 30 I could weave in and out of traffic in central london all day at 64 I cannot do this my terrible life changing cycling accidents happened when I was tired two surgeries later I am still trying to pick my life up .
PLEASE CYCLING SAFELY TODAY especially at night when tired should be enough for several podcasts videos lets get priorities right oh and park tools bike maintenance vids are tops and other is this other guy less of the flash and more of whats needed .
Those yellow brake calipers are going to look awful once the brake dust gets all over them.
Keep clickbaiting, the best way to get subscribers
😢 disappointed guys.
Clickbait.
Another £2k on the price of a bike.
Nobody's forcing you to pay for it.
Funniest thing is that the coating itself is pretty cheap, just as carbon material for bike frames, it's costly just because its deemed premium for now.
cereakote is bland and can be scratched and damaged.
An 18min ad, with no evidence about the product features. Just a bloke and his statements and another bloke asking question so the other bloke can say what he is Paris to say. This is a new los Level for GCN. Shake on you. I can not believe that right now 230 people like this shit.
Relax mate. It’s just an interview. There’s lots of good research articles regarding Cerakote online . Ooops….there’s another “like”. Have a good day.
What a weird comment. I found it very interesting.