I know exactly what you are talking about. When the 5D came out, it was what the 35mm film people wanted. And it was amazing. Creamy and smooth film like look. When mirrorless came out, Sony had the tiny 5n which was so compact. The “new” factor set in and when I got the A7r full frame, it was a technical masterpiece. But I had gotten rid of the 5D thinking that mirrorless had taken over. Now, after going through crop sensors, mirrorless crop sensors and mirrorless full frame sensors…they’re all good and getting bigger all the time, but I remember that none of those had that smooth, but sharp look. It was HDR before HDR. There is something to be said for a photo that is technically too perfect, too sharp, too much contrast. I am looking at getting a 5D again and wandered onto this 6D video. I do remember when the 5D was about to be updated, the 6D came out as a cheaper version so that the 5D II was supposed to be better, people thought the 6D was not good. I always thought it was a more modern 5D mk I. Anyways, I long for the sharp, but smooth look that is ONLY Canon. I know Sony is technically better, but it doesn’t take better people photos. There is something very artistic about the original 5D and maybe the 6D has it. The absolutely only negative of the 5D is the 12.8 mp, but for me I have several 30x40inch prints hanging up on the wall that says it doesn’t matter.
Fast becoming my favourite camera channel. It’s calm, it’s sensible, & it talks about sensors and the how images from affordable classic bodies actually look. I’m a Nikon guy, but this channel makes me want to try a 6D.
I'm a Canon guy but my roommate is a Nikon guy. Both are nice and in different ways. Canon is gentler in a way(especially 6D), and Nikon more rugged and mean business. Though the 1D's are pretty up to Nikon standards. But the D600 - their 6D equivalent, is more pro feeling with the features.
I have both and this is how I see it: The 5D is like an old Ford work truck....it's basic, a bit noisy, and not real fast, but you can work the hell out of it all day long and beat it up all you want, and it will just keep plugging away with consistent results. You can also use it as a self-defense weapon if needed. The 6D is like a newer Ford truck....it is lighter in weight, it has more frills, it has a turbo, it is smoother and quieter, and much faster than the older models, and it too will keep plugging all day giving you consistent results. I wouldn't use the 5D for a wedding these days because the 6D is far better in low light, but I would have it in the car for a back up rig. I love both and wouldn't part with either one of them. I don't know why, but when I go out with my 5D, I feel like my creativity goes up....maybe it's because I have to think a little more with that camera, but I don't know.
This seems to be in line with most peoples findings in my comments. I wonder if Canon is aware of how people feel about this. I guess not though because they are clearly making the sales.
I moved from medium format film to the Canon 5D classic based on my son's advice. I wanted the look in my images that film had always provided. The 5D is wonderful. I own three. I also own the 6D which does give a slightly different image that is closer in appearance to the more modern cameras. I can't find any other camera that comes close to these two. I got rid of my Sony A7RII reluctantly. I also own a newer Canon mirrorless full frame which I like.....but any images I take with it are too clear somehow. And the focusing modes are baffling sometimes. This video makes me feel a little less of a crazy photographer because in keeping my 5D cameras I sometimes find myself explaining why and being met with skepticism. Thanks for sharing this video.
Never tried the 5d classic, but own 6D classic, 5Dmk2, and 7D classic. I like that they all use the same battery, which is why I got rid of my 50d, which I actually used to love shooting with. I agree with you on the less megapixels argument, as I also have a 6dmk2, which I hardly shoot stills with it now, I use it more to vlog. The 6D classic on the otherhand is my streetphotography camera, whereas my 5Dmk2 is my studio camera, and the 7d my wildlife camera. Each serves it's own purpose...
I don’t have a 6D but the pixel pitch on the 5D classic are both large and deep, this means there is far less light spill between light wells, this gives a better colour separation between pixels, and this is why the highlights roll off so beautifully without clipping.
Martin, your work on your channel is fantastic, balanced, down to earth and to the point. Last week my trusty old 1D mk3 has just fired its last shot around the 400k mark and died with a failed shutter. I agree with you, these older canon sensors have that “something” not found in the modern mirrorless updates. I’ve just ordered a 5D classic hoping it will be a worthy replacement to the 1D, that extra 2 megapixels and half a kg lighter weight will be a luxury😅. Keep up the great work!
Martin, thank you for your down to earth/no BS/honest and truly useful videos. You're a youtube gem in a sea of product placement and spec hunting. I had to sell my glorious hasselblad X1D due to life circumstances, which pretty much ruined me on digital files because of how amazing they were. I need a cheaper replacement that doesn't have that tinny, oversharpened, fake look that the high-end mirrorless cameras do. I think the 6D may be the answer-- modern enough to seamlessly transition from the slower medium format hasselblad, but with the old-timey look and feel of a low pixel density sensor. I also have access to a 5D classic that I will use for the mere joy of shooting and loving that filmy sensor. Lighting, I've found the hard way, is truly the key to making images shine. I need to rely less on the camera, and more on my technique and knowledge, to become the photographer I want to be. Thank you for giving me the courage and way forward I really needed whilst missing my overkill camera lol.
Thank you so much! I think the 6d would be a good solution for you really. I think you will like it. Its a great camera really and feels modern enough still, its the earliest of the older cameras that still feels modern as such. It has really nice files too. Of course the Hasselblad is different!
Thanks Martin. I have my 5D for sixteen years - and wouldn't dream of parting with it. However, I have often wondered what a worthy replacement would be and apreciate your informed and no nonsense approach to the subject. Your comments on pixel count remind me of Canon's first DSLR the D30 - which produced stunning image quality with all 3 megapixels.
I know a good name for the sweet things that happen when you reduce the megapixels. I call it the ARRI effect. ARRI is a cinema film camera that only shoot in 1080p. The individual pixels are huge and the pictures coming from that camera are beautiful.
I've been using the 6D for 9 years, and the best thing I like about it, is after taking a shot I press the "magnify" button which instantly throws me a 10x magnified view of my image which is *tack* *sharp* every time. It has given me great AF confidence, coming from a 20D which had pretty good AF but not as much to rely on.
I recently purchased the 5D classic and I'm absolutely in love! Bokeh is SO creamy! Thank you for making these videos...could listen to you talk cameras all day lol
You're one of the few reviewers that point out that different digital cameras are the equivalent of different films before. I think this is important to know about.
As an owner of both of them as well I can say that I am constantly surprised at how much better the images look straight out of the 6D. But I absolutely LOVE the 5D classic, I know that whatever I shoot with it is gonna be gold! If you’re considering any camera, either of these will improve the way you take your photos….it certainly did for me.
the Canon 6D was the first full frame camera I purchased. I rented it for a few days and loved it. I still have it and use it along with my Canon 7D, Nikon D810 and Sony A7iii. I do mostly live music photography in a 180 seat club so good ISO performance is important. I started with film back in the mid 80s. After a few cameras I ended up with the Canon T90 which I loved. I did plenty of portraits for friends with that camera. Never had the chance to try the 5D. Another excellent video, Martin.
My first DSLR was a Rebel XTi from which I upgraded to the 5D because I couldn't afford the mk II at the time. That thing coupled with a 17-40 created amazing landscapes for me for years. I eventually upgraded to the 6D for the extra features (and low light capabilities) and paired it with a 16-35 f2.8 II to give me a versatile landscape workhorse that could capture night photos. This is what I still use and it's a dream setup for me. I can't imagine falling in love with another camera the same way as this one despite the new features many new cameras offer. I just love the images that come out of this thing. Totally agree with your assessment! Thanks for creating these reviews, they remind me that the grass probably isn't greener on other cameras.
Martin, your calm presentation and practical views, based on practical experience have made this a favorite channel. As a bonus - call it serendipity - you made me even happier to have purchased a 6D (well before discovering your channel!) as you pointed out something I was suspecting but had not in any analytical way confirmed. After trying the sublime Zeiss Milvus 135mm f/2 lens, I liked it so much that I purchased it (at substantial savings as a "keeper" from Lens Rentals). I had tried it out on both my 40D and my 5D Mk IV. But, at about the same time, some research indicated that the original 6D was the last Canon DSLR that allowed swapping viewing screens and I liked the fact that - especially relating to an f/2 135 - I could get a screen that more closely resembled what I have enjoyed on film cameras in having a better sense of actual depth-of-field at wide apertures while looking through the viewfinder. With that knowledge, I purchased a lovely 6D from a Japanese seller, and ordered the appropriate alternative screen from Canon. But, even before swapping screens, the impression I was getting (admittedly, not scientific, as I did not shoot identical compositions with same lens with 6D and 5D4) was, "Gee, the 6D images are kinda special and seem to require less post processing than those from the 5D4." Turns out, from your comments, also involving the 40D, about Canon's earlier colors being a bit more pleasing, that maybe I wasn't imagining. Thus far, all of my shooting with the 6D has been with the Zeiss 35/2, but looks like it might be fun to try some other lenses on it.Thanks for reinforcing that rather "serendipitous" decision to add a 6D to my Canon tool box!
thank you Steve, I think youve made the right choice with the 6d m1 and my advice is to never sell it even if you want to upgrade to something else in the future. its about having the option to have that look again whenever you want it. Its a brilliant camera and i miss mine i wish i had never sold it.
side note im glad you like my calm presentation i held off from starting this channel for ages because i thought i wasnt hyperactive enough like other channels are, although in real life im quite daft and joke around a lot i guess im not showing my full personality yet but still.
@@MartinCastein Thanks, Martin. Not a chance I'd sell the 6D - especially with it and the Zeiss 135/2 being such a lovely combination. But beyond that, once I come to love a camera for a particular reason or set of virtues, I stay faithful to it. For the same reason, the trusty 40D runs no risk of being cast off like the Velveteen Rabbit!
Thank you for your great content! I have been a ccd afficionado for a while and own the leica m9 and m9 monochrome. However they are very expensive cameras. I have thought about the 5d classic for a while and after watching your videos I found one for almost no money. I have to say that the files out of that camera with the very cheap 40mm 2.8 is absolutely wonderful. I will now be investing in more canon glass. Right now I am looking at the 135mm f2 for portraits and the 24-105 F4 for general purpose shooting. I am just itching with anticipation from having the wonderful color image with the flexibility of a zoom.
Hi Ole, you will be. happy with the 24-105 actually the first image in this video was shot on the 24-105. it needs some sharpening in post in order to bring it up to the sharpness levels of the other canon L lenses but its a great lens and so flexible. Thanks for your comment!
I was starting to think about upgrading from my 6 year old 6D1 that I've had from new. The only downside to it is the AF system, which I use in focus and recompose mode all the time. Fine for landscapes and general shooting, but chasing small feathery things around in the sky with a 600mm tele is very challenging. I stumbled across your channel, and have subscribed as I really appreciate the balance of technical evaluation and how that translates into artistic impression. Thanks also for reminding me why I bought the 6d in the first place, and to stop thinking about replacing it, maybe adding a second spare body, or better still some new L glass....
I'm a Nikon person but the 6D has been on my radar for when ever I want a "canon look" portrait shooter. The modern Canon offerings are pretty much redundant and overused with it's warmer earth tones that you see Everywhere these days. Something about the 6D tones, they just look more pleasing as you said.
I must have watched this 6 or 7 times in the last year. So much more than a "review" of the specs, I really appreciate the thoughts on how useful the cameras are in a real world way. Super job Martin. Oh, and i have owned 6D for nearly 3 years, mainly shoot outdoors and most of that is equine photography. Its not a natural sports camera, but the 6D copes surprisingly well with things moving at speed. Thanks for this sort of content - big thumbs up.
I currently own a 5D classic as my only digital camera, which I love. However, I'm seriously considering saving a little and adding the 6d at some point next year. The files look beautiful and I think it'll be nice for those trickier shoots, or for the days where you want something that feels a bit more modern. They would make a wonderful partnership.
Thanks Martin for your calm informative videos which greatly help me make important choices. It's like having a best friend giving really solid advice and somehow avoid rubbishing other products. You talk about qualities (beauty in images I guess) which just doesn't appear in specifications or other reviews. Cheers. Liam.
Hi Martin, This youtube hit the sweet spot for me, your sample photos are superb.Thank you so much for sharing it. I was struggling to try & work with, and to like my 5D classic. Then I read about the 6D and bought a used body to see if that would suit my needs better. The 6D's ability to correct lens abberations, adjust front focus errors, insanely high ISO, rear screen clear enough to check image sharpness, makes it so easy to enjoy and the images are really nice. So much so that I modified a Sony 85mm 2.8 SAM lens with a broken mount to fit the 6D body (with infinity focus and adjustable aperture). It is a good portrait lens. Your youtube has helped me to decide that ,good as the 5D classic is, it is not the camera for me and I will sell it. Thank you so much Tony
Good and quite professional TH-camr You are. My 6D Mark1 doesn't have any creamy colour issues whatever lens I use or settings. 5D series made very good colours, like the 6D and 1D series. Always use L-lenses on all 10-90D, and on the 7D to 1Dx Mark III. The more pro the body is the more it need a good lens. Like I said before The Canon INC made their best cameras 2007-2017. Best build quality and the feel in the hands when You hold it. I use battery grips on all and the 1D Mark IV and IDx Mark II has bult in grip. Im big handed so it fits well. The 6D Mark 1 is a awesome performer still today. Its even better than my 1D.s. 6D with a real L-lens and You have a very lightweight camera that does the real result that is good even today.
I've owned the 6D since it came out. I haven't used it much in the last 7 years, but have it out playing around tonight. I don't use it for video ever, but paired with a 70-200mm 2.8l it is still a phenomenal combo. My 70-200mm was purchased at back in 2007. Still amazing!!
Awesome video man .. very nice and neat. seriously .. I am thinking of selling all my cameras and lenses and keeping (only) the canon 5D Classic with the nifty fifty. It really is all I need to be honest. Buying cameras has become a bad addiction for me .. (but) the canon 5D classic produces the most beautiful and most magical photos of all . I mean.. it serves the purpose beyond my expectations. Thanks again man.. I appreciate your valuable opinion and sharing this with us.
thank you so much!if its all you need maybe maybe try using just that on its on for a while before you sell all your other gear. Simulate not having that gear first before you actually go and sell it all.
Bought a 5D, then another as a backup, then some nice L lenses in preparation for my daughter’s engagement photo shoot this spring in Disney World. Then that fear set in you speak of before I even go, “what if I’m in a low light situation and my 5D doesn’t give me the shot I want” even with my 35mm f1.4 L lens, which I feel shoots very soft wide open, so I just ordered the 6D over a Mark iii because of your videos.. Thanks..
Thank you martin, Because of you I have bought a 6d with 50mm for 470$cad almost brand new with just 3000 shutter count. I can't be more grateful and happy. It just creates magic every time I click a photo.
Hi Martin, love your channel and have been pretty much religiously following your videos since you started, one of the few creators that keep me coming back to the platform. I picked up a 5D based on your comments and have not been disappointed, I would say it's all the camera I need, I feel I can do anything with it and I love the minimal (if any) post processing - and wow those skin tones! I saw an interesting video yesterday where a gentleman who's channel is called 'shutter & chill' compared the 5D to an M11 and found that apart from the lowest 0.01 % and highest couple of percent on the grayscale the 5D actually outperformed the M11 in terms of information or signal per pixel by several dB in some cases, and this is regardless of iso setting! Of course this doesn't tell the whole story and the M11 manages to get very close to the 5d with a hell of a lot more resolution to boot which is pretty amazing IMHO, BUT, I believe his explanation may show that the 5D technically stands as well today as it ever did provided you can get a good exposure and 12 megapixels is practical for the type of work you are doing. I knew it was subjectively good but I suppose it was quite interesting to learn how objectively good it still is!
Liking your channel mate. No nonsense, straightforward content. I've just bought the Canon 5D Classic to try out, just waiting on it to arrive. Never owned a Canon, but I've been on a recent journey of discovery of older gear considered classics, and every review about this older camera seems to tick all the boxes. It's interesting what you said about the Sony A7S, that's by far the best stills camera I've ever owned. Stupidly got rid of it to 'upgrade' to a newer body and instantly regretted it.
The 5D & 7d served me well for many years. Canon replaced the 5D mirror for me at no cost as there were issues with the mirror when the camera was first released. I wore the shutter out on the 7d, having shot so many images over several years. I had the mirror replaced & continued to use the 7d for many more years before selling it. Both cameras were real work horses for me.
Thanks for putting our all your comparison videos like this where you simply talk about the end result and not the useless spec sheets or test pattern photos. I've been shooting APS-C since 2012 (amateur) and have been wanting to try out full frame for a while but was unsure what to do I managed to pick up a 6D with a broken LCD cover and broken battery door for $100 and wow I love it (parts coming from ebay). I also have a 90D, which is technically so much better in every regard but I love the 6D so much I am always shooting with it now. I love it so much I just bought another as a spare with the old 90s 20mm USM, which is another one of those things that is technically old but brilliant and I am in love with my new setup. All your points are perfect. The new battery matters, especially since I have a 70D and 90D in the house (my girlfriend photographs too) and the SD card. That's what matters to me. I do miss the touch screen on weird angle shots or on the tripod to zoom in but I work around it with the mobile app.
I had canon 6d with canon 24-105 f4, canon 50 f1.8 ii for the last 3 years. I love it very much. I upgraded it from Nikon D5100. I take natural light photo without flash. It is ready great camera for low light. Recently I bought another Canon 6D $450.00 with low shutter count 700 and canon 70-200 f2.8 ii like new (open box) only $1000.00 from ebay. I think that I have the whole set of gear to take portrait, wedding and landscape. It is my hobby... which I have learn to take photo about 5 years from youtube. Thank you for your videos. I
Very good point about having less megapixels on full frame sensor. Not to mention being desirable for adapted vintage lenses as well. I do have the a7s mk1 and indeed almost any vintage glass i put on it looks good and sharp with that 3D pop you described. Where it struggles is in bad artificial lighting and skin tones. They just come out too yellow-orange. The 6d seems better in this way after my research. It is about the same high ISO performance as the a7s with much better color especially in jpeg. I compared a lot of things with the dpreview magnifier chart and was blown away by the 6d sensor. That is one of the reasons that I want to get it. To have good skin tones in bad lighting as well. Going back to the pixel density thing. It just blows me away that almost nobody talks about this, especially when it comes to adapting vintage glass. I have some very fine vintage lenses which were okay on my a6000 and x-e3 but only until I bought an a7s and tried with that one. Night and day difference, so much sharper, such nicer output. I have some 135 lenses that are tack sharp on the a7s without any aberrations and the same lens is muddy with aberrations, ghostings etc on my x-e3. I could not believe my eyes, it's like not even the same lens. (some say that the sensor stack thickness affects IQ with old glasses as well) That is when I decided that I am getting rid of the fuji and possibly never buy any aps-c again. That x-trans III sensor basically looses all color from around ISO 4000. It is awful, but the fanboys never like to talk about this. Well I guess if most people use the expensive fuji glass, that of course is good, but some of us mainly use vintage glass, so I guess we are stuck with full frame for that purpose. Although I might try an X-T1 one day, for the earlier sensor which probably has better tones and lower pixel density. (Your review made me reconsider, since seems like not a reliable camera body). Thank you for the good content! :)
Thank you Tamas you are welcome! you wont go wrong with the 6d really but as you mention weddings i would push you to a used 5diii if you can afford it.
@@MartinCastein Well I don't do weddings.(Maybe I will do in the future, for some friends). I mainly take pictures at events that I take part of (not paid jobs, just documenting). Well I guess the 5d III looks like a more pro camera with better handling, but to be honest I would prefer a lighter camera. Also I think the 6d is better deal, especially that there is one in my area with a 70-210 f4, grip, flash for 350 pounds. That is very hard to resist. Also you said that 6d has a bit better IQ. For me a big plus would be that the focusing screen can be changed on the 6d with one of those better suited for using with manual lenses :)
@@sztomi90 oh in your case for sure the 6d. Its only at the point of weddings where i would really recommend the 5diii instead or portrait photographers that shoot outside on the 1.2 primes at 1.2 all the time.
Very nice thoughts and conversation. You are a breath of fresh air from TH-cam influencers supported by one brand or another. I like the way you discuss your experiences with the look of the images from the sensor and how you often prefer a certain camera for the look of the files rather than the technical advances. For me, working for a client, I want a camera that has the technology and lets me know I have the image right at the time of capture (mirrorless), but for personal images I prefer older, simpler cameras. I loved the files from my Nikon D700 and now I'm using a Nikon D800 which has some pros and cons, but a great value today. Lenses are another factor that can really add or take away from an image. When I was first studying photography I purchased a 4x5 camera with a 210mm Commercial Astragon lens that had a big scratch on the front element and I have to say that camera made the best portraits of any camera I have ever owned. Cheers.
I currently have a 5d MKII and the 6D MkI. The 6D was my work horse camera for a while before I got my 5d MKII. But I appreciate this video on how you have given me a new appreciation for the 6D. I stopped using it regularly because of the 5D mk II AF system over the basic AF of the 6D. I have a portrait/fashion shoot next Saturday. I think I'll make my 6D to main camera I'd use. Just to see if I can rediscover that creamy look you mentioned. I know I get too caught up on the technical aspects of my shoots then see my photography. Thank you for this video.
Hello folks... I had them all... the 5D, 5Dii and 6D. I liked the image output in all, BUT both the 5D and the 6D have physically failed me on various jobs (I actually had 2x different 6D that BOTH failed me). My 5D classic experienced the dreaded "mirror falling out" issue that is well known problem. So I will stick to my 5Dii because it is trusty....
I’d point out the every camera ever made will break eventually I’ve had many different cameras break over the years. My 5d ii broke. they are all excellent cameras.
Such a great review! Best i have ever seen! Im using a 6d Classic and just love it. I agree on everything you say in this video. I feel like its a very reliable camera and that i can trust the results from it. Many people say that the A7II has better dynamic range but im starting to doubt on that. With some of my vintage lenses the result is stunning. A sort of magic feeling to it. Keep up the good work!=)
I have the Canon 5D with the f4/24-105L lens. Recently I bought a used 6D for $425 CAN. I wouldn’t have bought the 6D if I didn’t already have the 24-105. Those two makes a very competent combo for photography. No better DSLR for the price. I like to take them everywhere. My Canon RP is technically a better camera than the 6D, but it doesn’t generate the same amount of emotional response!
I found your videos a couple of weeks ago and can't stop nodding my head. I share with everyone who will listen--I've been banging on about the 5D classic having perfect rendering and colors and most of my portfolio is with the 6D. I love finding these magical sensors, and even bought a Nikon d700 hoping for more magic. It's a great camera too, but doesn't quite have the look of the 5D. Anyway, thank you for posting these, I have much to say on this topic but the bottom line is dynamic range and megapixels are very misleading stats that may help advertisements but don't tell you anything (and in some cases tell you the opposite of their intended message!) about how the images will come out.
Hi Jonathan, thank you so much for this! its great to hear this kind of feedback. I obviously agree with your findings too regarding these camera bodies. I think dynamic range has its place for landscape photography at low iso on a tripod etc but can be overcome easily too. The rendering of the 5d cant be beaten.
I’ve never seen output as good as from the 5D classic. Closest thing I’ve seen is when I rented a Leica. I rented all the newer cannons, Nikons. To me nothing comes close to the magic of the 5D classic. Ethereal, whimsical, magic images out of this camera
@@yew108 I don't shoot B&W ever, so I can't comment there. Colors/rendering, I prefer the 5D but the 6D is a very close second. The D700 does not have a very appealing color rendering, so it doesn't get used much. What it does have is speed and file flexibility, as well as a wonderful analog-type noise at high iso.
I considered getting rid of my 6D briefly. But it just does great work all around. Having come from the old film DSLR days focus and recompose comes naturally. The image quality is great and the 6D is an ISO beast. Two years running I've used it to cover a small Christmas market at night and a parade in the dark. No flash and max ISO. Does it take a little post-processing for exposure and noise? Yes, but not much and it gets the shots. I had thought I wanted a 6D MKII for the articulated screen but couldn't swing it. I found though that I kept reaching for my 6D MKI over the Sony A7RII I had wanted so bad. Turned out I don't really make wall-sized images, the battery life sucked, and I just felt more at home on the DSLR. I ended up trading the A7RII for a Canon 80D. The 80D fills in the gaps by having a very usable articulating screen, and a pretty sweet autofocus and the crop sensor still does great images and is pretty good in lower light. Plus stretches my 70-200 f2.8 when needed. It's not the current cool thing but with the 6D MKI, they pretty much cover all I actually need. I had jonesed a bit for a Canon 5D Classic, for that Classic palette. Seriously though, the 6D does it close enough with more resolution. I'm finding the 20 MP of the 6D and the 24 MP (even if crop sensor) of the 80D to be sweet spots. I appreciate the love and respect you show for the "old" that still does the job well if the photographer does theirs.
For me the 5d classic is one to own as a side camera to something like the 6d, the 6d being a much more practical camera, i enjoy the 5d classic from time to time though.
that is very interesting, thanks for your thoughts. I have shot with 5d classic for a long time and have some experience with 6d too. Both are great cameras and i miss that raw feeling a bit) But not too much because I currently use a pretty old camera too and it has this feeling too
3:40 talking about why fewer pixels look better, I'm not scientific about it either but the way I like to think of it is that it's similar to lower ISO film stock. Yes I know its nothing to do with ISO in reality but back in the 80s and 90s,when I was most active in this hobby you chose a lower ISO film stock when you wanted a picture that is sharper and more dynamic and a higher ISO when you didn't care so much about dynamic compression and grain.
Owned a 5D 1 that was awesome. The 6D does weird stuff with the white balance and purple/fuchsias compared to the original 5D that I really, really don't like. Aside from that that only downside is the AF on the 6D. I've been using my 6D (MK1) since early 2018, after breaking my 5D 'classic.'
@@muradmammadliyt Yes, the center point on the 6D is much better. It also focuses in very dark scenes. I purchased the 6D over the 5D2 because of the autofocus..though by todays standard, it isn't great at all.
So I bought 5D in 2005 and I have been using it till now. Of course I have been comparing it to Mark 2,3,4 and newer been convinced I can get better imaginary with newer model. Recently I bought 5Ds just simply because of it excellent price (less 900usd new) So I open lightroom now and pictures taken with 5D always look better, really, ALWAYS BETTER! I get rid of all L zooms , I use old canon primes 50/1.8II , 35/2, 24/2.8, 85/1.8 so with such a small and lightweight setup I don't even consider to go mirrorless. Rather consider buying carl zeiss primes... Congratulations on the content of your videos. I am Your new fan.
Great content! Would be very interesting if you did a side by side comparison between 5D Classic, 5D mk II and 6D mk I. In other words taking the exact same picture with the three different cameras. I used to own the Classic before buying my 5D mk II. Unfortunately I sold the Classic before buying the mk II, so I didn't get the chance to compare them side by side.
That would be a good idea Felix, unfortunately my 5dii died and I sold the 6d. i regret selling the 6d and wish my 5dii didnt die but only my 5d classic is still chugging along.
Thanks for the video! Your explanations are very helpful. In your videos about the Canon 5D Classic, you try to describe what makes this camera special and the focus is not on technical values. Through this description, the viewer can get a much better sense of whether this camera is for you than just comparing specs In this comparison, too, I find it very well described which camera is the right one for whom. You described it very well in your video Nikon d700 vs. Canon 5d Classic. I just bought a Canon 5d Classic and that too a 50mm 1.8, the 40mm 2.8 is on its way to me. Now one or the other will ask themselves why they buy a 50 mm and then a 40 mm lens. 1. the 50 mm, because they are just incredibly cheap, it's version 2 and therefore only cost 50€ and 2. use it for almost everything. But I'm finding more and more that the 40 mm comes closest to what you see for me. My goal is to get an image that looks as natural as possible with the Canon 5 d classic and the 40 mm 2.8. As little post-processing as possible and no crop if possible. In the ideal case, I take the picture as it comes out of the camera. I thought I could get that from Fujifilm, so years ago I sold my Canon stuff to buy Canon again now, but full frame for the first time. I love Fuji cameras, they look good and I really like the way they are operated. The film simulations also give you many opportunities to develop images out of the camera. I also thought it was good to have an electronic viewfinder because you can see straight away what you are getting. But it's just one of the simulations, which isn't bad. However, if you want to capture what you see at the moment the picture is taken, an optical viewfinder combined with a camera that produces very natural images is a better choice. Of course, it always depends on what each individual wants. I definitely never thought I would buy another SLR and now I see what this old one is camera for incredibly good pictures. You also accept the limiting factors and even the much higher weight and size. I left a thumb and a subscription :) Best regards dirk
Another point here. I have a 7D Mk II and am always looking for a full frame sensor. I love the 7D II it's really great, however there are these sit's where you know it doesn't do it, it simple can't from the technical point of view and thats okay, doesn't make it bad at all. A 5D IV and you end up paying 800+ €. Being an amateur, I am not willing to pay that much, plus most of the are beaten up. In good condition, it's more like 1.500 +. I paid 330 € for the 7DII in excellent condition. I pay this amount on glas only, not for the body no way. So I have very nice L lenses and I bought them for full frame still using them on the 7D II aswell. The 6D came into my mind. This is very valuable information indeed. So thank you for that, I ' ll go get me one.
I've been doing landscape on the 5D for around 4 years now. I was recently looking to change it for a 6D and looks like I came to the right channel. The only problem is that every time I look into a face to face comparisson between the 5D and any other camera, I end up thinking it doesn't worth the change.
Thank you for an interesting video! This kind of comparison is what I’ve been looking for. I recently became interested in stylistic differences of different sensors, and I couldn’t pass this 5d mk1 discussion by. Up to this moment I was leaning towards an opinion that this whole ‘classic filmic’ look was nothing more than a cognitive bias of some sort. Like 5d was someones first professional camera and really impressed them and now they tend to believe it is really special. After hearing you, I think that this might not be the case. So I want to make a couple remarks on the video and hear some feedback to understand you better. When researching the topic for myself I was struggling to understand what was the real subject. Someone said that out-of-the-camera jpegs have this special look, for some it was pixel size and special grain, not the colors. I was surprised that you were talking about raw files, not jpegs. While i like your metaphor about sensors being like different film stocks and i get the sentiment, i think it might mislead many people. Since films were made for the times when not much editing was available, the whole point of different film stocks was giving a certain distinct look. Digital raw files on the other hand try to be true to life to accommodate for more complicated editing. I’m not saying they are the same, but the difference is subtle. That is why i don’t think i can see sensor differences in the photos you showed, since lighting/editing is completely different. What’s more, each raw conversion software also adds a certain look to its output even without any editing. Like, i’m not sure about Lightroom, but CaptureOne has a couple of ICC profiles for each compatible camera in addition to some generic ones. So I’m really curious what is your workflow when you get this special look. And will it be still noticeable when using different software? I’m considering buying 5dc, but i’m not sure what i’m going for. I watched a couple of videos where people shot mark 1 vs mark 4 and got almost identical pictures. I keep in mind that they tried to prove that mark one is not any worse, and might have tweaked the images to look the same, but maybe its not as noticeable as some say. I’m also not sure that if the difference is evident to me, i will like the look. These things are highly subjective. SO it would be really great if you made a real side to side comparison of some cameras. Like 5d 1,2,4 maybe 6d. By this I mean the same subject, lighting, not much movement between shots, maybe different scenes. A portrait, a flower, a landscape. Would be lovely to have a link with raw files, so everyone interested could see the differences for himself. I would love to make such a deep comparison myself, but i don’t have the luxury of having many different cameras. I hope my writing didn’t put you to sleep. Thanks for your great videos anyways!
Part of the issue though is how the files from each of these cameras handle once you start editing with them. The start point themselves is obviously different. You wont see so much difference under certain conditions such as high contrast ie middle of day or night time so much as everything kind of looks the same but things like skin tones, colour separation, colour tones in general will show up much more as soon as you have "good" lighting. And that then becomes more pronounced as you edit. If you look at my 5d classic videos and 6d mark 1 have a look at the comments and you will see many photographers agree and find the same thing. The differences between some sensors are huge.For instance the 5d classic and say a d750 are world different in all sorts of ways. I think in the end you just have to try something and see. If you are looking to get a camera with a nice look/lowish price get the canon 6d mark 1.
Great review with genuine information . As a photography hobbyist, Info you shared with your long experience motivated me to buy a Canon 6D in 2022. Its on tthe way, hope i will have great experience too.
I have a 250D and are looking into buying my first full frame, mostly using the 18-35mm sigma 1.8. I was considering the 5d mark IV, but seems like the 6D mark I might be far better for me (the idea is to have a full frame for serious pictures while the 250D is a "lets make 1000 pictures and keep 10" sort of camera). Started with the 250D a year ago, so Im kinda starting my journey.
This is exactly the video I needed. I have an original 5D which I love but I really want better iso performance. I can't afford a new full frame dslr but I don't think I need one! Going to treat myself to a 2nd hand 6D I think. Thank you!
@@MartinCastein I’m mainly interested in sensor and shooting experience at this point. I have the X-T4 & X-H1 with 2.8 zooms so that gets me performance when needed. I just love the look of certain old sensors & I’d like a full frame camera to adapt some old vintage lenses I have.
@@LyndonPatrickSmith the 5d classic is really good for that I think but you just have to understand its soooo basic. you can hardly even make out the rear screen and it has nothing auto really either. the 6d is much more modern but the 5dii is worth a shout too its got a really nice earthy toned look of its own.
Thanks for putting out this video Martin. I started my own photography business back in 2013 and purchased a Canon 6D as my main camera. I'm still using it today as my main camera even though many photographers have gone mirrorless. The only reason I'd go for a Canon eos R is if I started photographing people at 1.8 while moving, to take advantage of the new eye tracking technology. Since I only take still headshots and property, I don't need it so I'll stay with my 6D. Before I went pro in 2013 I had the 5D Classic combined with the 135 f2L and it took the best image quality I've seen in a portrait. It had a 'Creaminess' that is hard to describe. Thanks again.
Thank you for sharing this, i think the 135 f2 has become a bit of a hidden gem, it used to be really well regarded but i think people have forgotten about it these days. Its an absolutely superb lens and shines on the 5d. Thank you fro your comment, much appreciated.
Hi Martin! I am a beginner about to take my first photography class at university and I am so thankful for your videos and the work you put into explaining things in real-world terms. You focus on product and performance of a camera, not the specs of a camera, and that has given me quite a lot of perspective. I am looking for my first "real" camera (not my phone or ~20 year old point and shoot). Making a choice has been difficult, but understanding lenses has maybe been the most difficult. Each company has so many lines of product it's hard to keep track! If you have any thoughts on where to begin with putting a kit together, what is "enough" to get started, or resources/books/video recommendations I would be grateful to hear them. I find your work to be really lovely, and I hope to find my own "voice" behind the lens :) Thanks!
@@MartinCastein I love street photography, sadly I live in a rural area and don't have much access to the city. I enjoy portraiture quite a lot and would like to do more. I find myself shooting nature/landscapes (it's what I have most access to), which I also enjoy. I haven't had the chance to use any cameras, but I tend to like cameras that are "sharp enough" but still have the charm or soul or whatever you want to call it of film, like the D700 or 5D. I might not know enough to describe what I'm trying to say, but I think you get it. Unfortunately my budget is not much in the camera world, maybe 450 GBP total for kit (if I push it).
I want to push you to a 5d mark ii with a 50mm 1.8 stm www.mpb.com/en-uk/product/canon-eos-5d-mark-ii/sku-1539815 and then pick one of their 50mm 1.8 stm lenses. The canon system has cheaper f4 zoom lenses for you for later. This kit will push your budget but i think you'd like it. Id pick the 5d ii for you over the 5d classic because you will be able to see what you are doing better with the screen on the back and the resolution is higher and the camera is generally more flexible. Its a superb camera. That total will come to £465 roughly but would be worth it if you can just push a bit more to get it.
good luck, just remember as you go its always you not the gear and shoot as much as you can, look at your work and think about what you can do better next time. Putting in the work and hours to get better is the only way. The gear comes and goes.
Thanks again for another great video. Spot on. I pick up the 6D way more often than my 5D because it's so much more reliable in terms of focus. Unless I'm shooting slow, then I prefer the 5D. I'm hoping you can recommend an APS-C Canon DSLR. I have the Sigma 1.8 zooms which I adapt to my Fuji gear but want to see what a "classic" Canon DSLR with less megapixels can put out with these excellent lenses.
Thanks Daniel, great to hear your thoughts too. Well dont laugh but id actually say have a look at the canon 40d, i used one for ages and it has similar colours to the 5d classic as well, but if you want something more modern then you will be fine with an 80d or 90d im not sure they are really the best for rendition they are probably too dense in pixels for the sensors. Buy from somewhere you can return to easily if i were you.
Your channel deserves WAY more subscribers. Or I would say, many more suscribers deserve to find and join it. Excellent content! I thought the 5Dii would give cooler, more blueish files than the Classic... interesting.🤔
Canon's first 1Ds was 11.2 mp on a full size sensor. I know because I bought it in 2002 and still own it. Nikon countered with a 13 mp but with a smaller sensor. Thus began the pixel wars! Canon had a kind of a range finder camera but it had an eye level finder, a hot shot and many many features wrapped in a fine leather case. It was glorious but Canon joined in the pixel count fight because the consumer did not know any better. Soon 16 mp were offered but because the sensor was crowded and the actual pixel size in micron became too small. Canon realized as you do that the pixel count is secondary to image quality if each pixel is larger. For example Hasselblads 39 mp on the 6x4.5 cm sensor is 6.8 microns. Those light buckets gulp the suns rays. My 11.2 kicks butt even today. So Canon was well aware and decided not to play the pixel count game but chose better image quality instead. I was there and lived it. I was so impressed Canon chose the high road.
Thank you for passing on your years of experience and supreme knowledge. I enjoyed film but have hardly used my d7000 which I bought new to do a relative’s wedding at the time. I’ve got good glass from 35mm days got really good Tamron adaptall lenses as well as Nikon primes. Was intending to get a d800 but now you have persuaded me to look at Canon 6d. Funds limited so perhaps leave full frame for another year. Great vids 👍
6d & 5d classic are without Low pass filter that why you get sharper pictures. The sane Nikon d800 with filter and d800E without filter. I have 5d m3 and choose over 6d just for layout and similar to other 5d line but you let me think about 6d is definitely good replacement for 5d classic.
Funny, I had a 5D2 and a 6D which I both didn't really use any more due to also having an R and R5. So I sold the 5D2 simply because the 6D was the more modern camera.. WIFI.. GPS and so on... and I thought this was more important than body and handling. Never saw much of a difference between the two because I always edited the RAW files anyway. Then I saw a few 6D videos on here recently and it really make me want to check it out again and see how the look of the images might differ from my R5. Never thought the 6D would have a similar look to that of the 5D1 since I never used a 5D1... but interesting to know.
Great video, i have been saying this for a while always found my 6d was so close to the 5d (classic) which i love ,got rid of the 5d2, chuffed iv seen a video made about this, Your right even in these days you'll be blown away with photos from these two cameras if you need more megapixels just buy gigapixel A1 and enlarge your photos then you have these large beautiful photos with that beautiful creamy look, thanks again for the vid. oh maybe spend more on glass than megapixels.
@@MartinCastein oh no doubt it is good and has it advantages the lighter weight of the 6d wins it over for me too ,but hey nothing wrong with these older work horses, stay safe my man loving the vids of common sense and the none snobbery attitude.
Hi, Martin, you asked whether you should review new gear on your channel, but I would also be interested to hear from you how life of a professional photographer looks like, especially since social media has become so enormous. And I would like to hear from you how, within this all, you keep your passion for photography alive and should an amateur become a pro or is an amateur better off as an amateur, hence, the difference between amateur and pro photog. I would like to see what a typical day for you looks like... Keep up the good work! Thanks!
Thanks Martin. I just bought a canon 5dc with a 50mm, 1.8 coming from Sony and Fuji Apsc cameras. The autofocus is at least not worse than on my fuji xt1. The colours are really amazing on my computer. On the LCD screen I cannot even tell, whether the shots are in focus... Maybe I should have tried the 6d first. On mpb there are many more on sale than 5d cameras. I just thought a used 6d with 100.000 actutions would be lot. And I actually received a pristine 5d with a serial number that starts with 3. Hopefully the mirror does not fall out. I am mainly doing portrait and travel photography. Would recommend the 17-40, 4.0 or the 85, 1.8 as a second lens?
Id get the 17-40 for travel as you have portraits covered with the 50mm really. Turn the sharpening up on your camera so you can check focus better. Dont worry too much though with it and id stick with it if i were you. Imagine shooting film where you cant check focus at all. You can learn to trust the camera more over time and get used to the focus. :) hope that helps
Bought a 5D classic and on 2nd use, the mirror fell out of it. Not worth the $200 repair bill. So never really got to see what the fuss about Canon is all about (currently Fuji guy and previously shot Nikon and Pentax...also recently got a D700). So now for the replacement to give it another go, I am really torn on the 5D Mkii or the 6D. Leaning 6D based on your videos if I can find one at a decent price.
It was probably around 2009. A photographer who had been around a long time is the only other person I’ve heard explain the the sensor/pixel issue in this same way. Of course I didn’t really understand the significance of what he was saying.
I know exactly what you are talking about. When the 5D came out, it was what the 35mm film people wanted. And it was amazing. Creamy and smooth film like look. When mirrorless came out, Sony had the tiny 5n which was so compact. The “new” factor set in and when I got the A7r full frame, it was a technical masterpiece. But I had gotten rid of the 5D thinking that mirrorless had taken over. Now, after going through crop sensors, mirrorless crop sensors and mirrorless full frame sensors…they’re all good and getting bigger all the time, but I remember that none of those had that smooth, but sharp look. It was HDR before HDR. There is something to be said for a photo that is technically too perfect, too sharp, too much contrast. I am looking at getting a 5D again and wandered onto this 6D video. I do remember when the 5D was about to be updated, the 6D came out as a cheaper version so that the 5D II was supposed to be better, people thought the 6D was not good. I always thought it was a more modern 5D mk I. Anyways, I long for the sharp, but smooth look that is ONLY Canon. I know Sony is technically better, but it doesn’t take better people photos. There is something very artistic about the original 5D and maybe the 6D has it. The absolutely only negative of the 5D is the 12.8 mp, but for me I have several 30x40inch prints hanging up on the wall that says it doesn’t matter.
Fast becoming my favourite camera channel. It’s calm, it’s sensible, & it talks about sensors and the how images from affordable classic bodies actually look. I’m a Nikon guy, but this channel makes me want to try a 6D.
Thank you so much that means a lot to me its really good to get feedback like this :)
I have a 6D and it’s wonderful
I'm a Canon guy but my roommate is a Nikon guy. Both are nice and in different ways. Canon is gentler in a way(especially 6D), and Nikon more rugged and mean business. Though the 1D's are pretty up to Nikon standards. But the D600 - their 6D equivalent, is more pro feeling with the features.
Second this!
Same!
I have both and this is how I see it: The 5D is like an old Ford work truck....it's basic, a bit noisy, and not real fast, but you can work the hell out of it all day long and beat it up all you want, and it will just keep plugging away with consistent results. You can also use it as a self-defense weapon if needed.
The 6D is like a newer Ford truck....it is lighter in weight, it has more frills, it has a turbo, it is smoother and quieter, and much faster than the older models, and it too will keep plugging all day giving you consistent results.
I wouldn't use the 5D for a wedding these days because the 6D is far better in low light, but I would have it in the car for a back up rig. I love both and wouldn't part with either one of them.
I don't know why, but when I go out with my 5D, I feel like my creativity goes up....maybe it's because I have to think a little more with that camera, but I don't know.
This seems to be in line with most peoples findings in my comments. I wonder if Canon is aware of how people feel about this. I guess not though because they are clearly making the sales.
I moved from medium format film to the Canon 5D classic based on my son's advice. I wanted the look in my images that film had always provided. The 5D is wonderful. I own three. I also own the 6D which does give a slightly different image that is closer in appearance to the more modern cameras. I can't find any other camera that comes close to these two. I got rid of my Sony A7RII reluctantly. I also own a newer Canon mirrorless full frame which I like.....but any images I take with it are too clear somehow. And the focusing modes are baffling sometimes. This video makes me feel a little less of a crazy photographer because in keeping my 5D cameras I sometimes find myself explaining why and being met with skepticism. Thanks for sharing this video.
You arent mad, dont worry, and you arent alone, unless we are all mad, hmmmm..
Have you any opinions about the 6d mk2? I love the back to basics talk but the “consumerism minded me” says get the 6d mk2😂
Cheers!
Never tried the 5d classic, but own 6D classic, 5Dmk2, and 7D classic. I like that they all use the same battery, which is why I got rid of my 50d, which I actually used to love shooting with. I agree with you on the less megapixels argument, as I also have a 6dmk2, which I hardly shoot stills with it now, I use it more to vlog. The 6D classic on the otherhand is my streetphotography camera, whereas my 5Dmk2 is my studio camera, and the 7d my wildlife camera. Each serves it's own purpose...
Hi there thanks for sharing this! much appreciated.
Thanks!
thank you so much!
Thank you for your videos! Just got my 6D in the mail (my first DSLR) and I love it. Learned a lot about the operation and capabilities from you
The limitations of the 5D and its characteristic allow me to explore my own creativity.
I don’t have a 6D but the pixel pitch on the 5D classic are both large and deep, this means there is far less light spill between light wells, this gives a better colour separation between pixels, and this is why the highlights roll off so beautifully without clipping.
Martin, your work on your channel is fantastic, balanced, down to earth and to the point. Last week my trusty old 1D mk3 has just fired its last shot around the 400k mark and died with a failed shutter. I agree with you, these older canon sensors have that “something” not found in the modern mirrorless updates. I’ve just ordered a 5D classic hoping it will be a worthy replacement to the 1D, that extra 2 megapixels and half a kg lighter weight will be a luxury😅. Keep up the great work!
Martin, thank you for your down to earth/no BS/honest and truly useful videos. You're a youtube gem in a sea of product placement and spec hunting. I had to sell my glorious hasselblad X1D due to life circumstances, which pretty much ruined me on digital files because of how amazing they were. I need a cheaper replacement that doesn't have that tinny, oversharpened, fake look that the high-end mirrorless cameras do. I think the 6D may be the answer-- modern enough to seamlessly transition from the slower medium format hasselblad, but with the old-timey look and feel of a low pixel density sensor. I also have access to a 5D classic that I will use for the mere joy of shooting and loving that filmy sensor. Lighting, I've found the hard way, is truly the key to making images shine. I need to rely less on the camera, and more on my technique and knowledge, to become the photographer I want to be. Thank you for giving me the courage and way forward I really needed whilst missing my overkill camera lol.
Thank you so much! I think the 6d would be a good solution for you really. I think you will like it. Its a great camera really and feels modern enough still, its the earliest of the older cameras that still feels modern as such. It has really nice files too. Of course the Hasselblad is different!
I own 5d classic for ten years. The colours are very mesmerising. The results are very satisfying. I will buy another 5d classic if my 5d breaks down.
Thanks Martin. I have my 5D for sixteen years - and wouldn't dream of parting with it. However, I have often wondered what a worthy replacement would be and apreciate your informed and no nonsense approach to the subject. Your comments on pixel count remind me of Canon's first DSLR the D30 - which produced stunning image quality with all 3 megapixels.
I know a good name for the sweet things that happen when you reduce the megapixels. I call it the ARRI effect. ARRI is a cinema film camera that only shoot in 1080p. The individual pixels are huge and the pictures coming from that camera are beautiful.
I've been using the 6D for 9 years, and the best thing I like about it, is after taking a shot I press the "magnify" button which instantly throws me a 10x magnified view of my image which is *tack* *sharp* every time. It has given me great AF confidence, coming from a 20D which had pretty good AF but not as much to rely on.
What lens used?
I recently purchased the 5D classic and I'm absolutely in love! Bokeh is SO creamy! Thank you for making these videos...could listen to you talk cameras all day lol
It is creamy isnt it. Keep enjoying your 5d!
You're one of the few reviewers that point out that different digital cameras are the equivalent of different films before. I think this is important to know about.
Thanks, I guess people dont really think about that kind of thing so much.
finally a channel that talks about color and tonality!
As an owner of both of them as well I can say that I am constantly surprised at how much better the images look straight out of the 6D. But I absolutely LOVE the 5D classic, I know that whatever I shoot with it is gonna be gold! If you’re considering any camera, either of these will improve the way you take your photos….it certainly did for me.
Thanks Allen!
the Canon 6D was the first full frame camera I purchased. I rented it for a few days and loved it. I still have it and use it along with my Canon 7D, Nikon D810 and Sony A7iii. I do mostly live music photography in a 180 seat club so good ISO performance is important. I started with film back in the mid 80s. After a few cameras I ended up with the Canon T90 which I loved. I did plenty of portraits for friends with that camera. Never had the chance to try the 5D. Another excellent video, Martin.
My first DSLR was a Rebel XTi from which I upgraded to the 5D because I couldn't afford the mk II at the time. That thing coupled with a 17-40 created amazing landscapes for me for years. I eventually upgraded to the 6D for the extra features (and low light capabilities) and paired it with a 16-35 f2.8 II to give me a versatile landscape workhorse that could capture night photos. This is what I still use and it's a dream setup for me. I can't imagine falling in love with another camera the same way as this one despite the new features many new cameras offer. I just love the images that come out of this thing. Totally agree with your assessment! Thanks for creating these reviews, they remind me that the grass probably isn't greener on other cameras.
Martin, your calm presentation and practical views, based on practical experience have made this a favorite channel. As a bonus - call it serendipity - you made me even happier to have purchased a 6D (well before discovering your channel!) as you pointed out something I was suspecting but had not in any analytical way confirmed. After trying the sublime Zeiss Milvus 135mm f/2 lens, I liked it so much that I purchased it (at substantial savings as a "keeper" from Lens Rentals). I had tried it out on both my 40D and my 5D Mk IV. But, at about the same time, some research indicated that the original 6D was the last Canon DSLR that allowed swapping viewing screens and I liked the fact that - especially relating to an f/2 135 - I could get a screen that more closely resembled what I have enjoyed on film cameras in having a better sense of actual depth-of-field at wide apertures while looking through the viewfinder. With that knowledge, I purchased a lovely 6D from a Japanese seller, and ordered the appropriate alternative screen from Canon. But, even before swapping screens, the impression I was getting (admittedly, not scientific, as I did not shoot identical compositions with same lens with 6D and 5D4) was, "Gee, the 6D images are kinda special and seem to require less post processing than those from the 5D4."
Turns out, from your comments, also involving the 40D, about Canon's earlier colors being a bit more pleasing, that maybe I wasn't imagining. Thus far, all of my shooting with the 6D has been with the Zeiss 35/2, but looks like it might be fun to try some other lenses on it.Thanks for reinforcing that rather "serendipitous" decision to add a 6D to my Canon tool box!
thank you Steve, I think youve made the right choice with the 6d m1 and my advice is to never sell it even if you want to upgrade to something else in the future. its about having the option to have that look again whenever you want it. Its a brilliant camera and i miss mine i wish i had never sold it.
side note im glad you like my calm presentation i held off from starting this channel for ages because i thought i wasnt hyperactive enough like other channels are, although in real life im quite daft and joke around a lot i guess im not showing my full personality yet but still.
@@MartinCastein Thanks, Martin. Not a chance I'd sell the 6D - especially with it and the Zeiss 135/2 being such a lovely combination. But beyond that, once I come to love a camera for a particular reason or set of virtues, I stay faithful to it. For the same reason, the trusty 40D runs no risk of being cast off like the Velveteen Rabbit!
Thank you for your great content! I have been a ccd afficionado for a while and own the leica m9 and m9 monochrome. However they are very expensive cameras. I have thought about the 5d classic for a while and after watching your videos I found one for almost no money. I have to say that the files out of that camera with the very cheap 40mm 2.8 is absolutely wonderful. I will now be investing in more canon glass. Right now I am looking at the 135mm f2 for portraits and the 24-105 F4 for general purpose shooting. I am just itching with anticipation from having the wonderful color image with the flexibility of a zoom.
Hi Ole, you will be. happy with the 24-105 actually the first image in this video was shot on the 24-105. it needs some sharpening in post in order to bring it up to the sharpness levels of the other canon L lenses but its a great lens and so flexible. Thanks for your comment!
I was starting to think about upgrading from my 6 year old 6D1 that I've had from new. The only downside to it is the AF system, which I use in focus and recompose mode all the time. Fine for landscapes and general shooting, but chasing small feathery things around in the sky with a 600mm tele is very challenging. I stumbled across your channel, and have subscribed as I really appreciate the balance of technical evaluation and how that translates into artistic impression. Thanks also for reminding me why I bought the 6d in the first place, and to stop thinking about replacing it, maybe adding a second spare body, or better still some new L glass....
7d mkii is great for birding
I'm a Nikon person but the 6D has been on my radar for when ever I want a "canon look" portrait shooter. The modern Canon offerings are pretty much redundant and overused with it's warmer earth tones that you see Everywhere these days. Something about the 6D tones, they just look more pleasing as you said.
I must have watched this 6 or 7 times in the last year. So much more than a "review" of the specs, I really appreciate the thoughts on how useful the cameras are in a real world way. Super job Martin. Oh, and i have owned 6D for nearly 3 years, mainly shoot outdoors and most of that is equine photography. Its not a natural sports camera, but the 6D copes surprisingly well with things moving at speed. Thanks for this sort of content - big thumbs up.
Hi Nick, im sorry you have to listen to me talking 7 times in a row 🤣, 6d is a great camera.
@@MartinCastein I think I am trying to persuade myself I need a 5D or 5DII 😂
hahah well, i think the 6d is the better camera of the 3 really, the mark 1 is better at portraits but its not by loads and its a lot harder to use.
I currently own a 5D classic as my only digital camera, which I love. However, I'm seriously considering saving a little and adding the 6d at some point next year. The files look beautiful and I think it'll be nice for those trickier shoots, or for the days where you want something that feels a bit more modern. They would make a wonderful partnership.
Thanks Martin for your calm informative videos which greatly help me make important choices. It's like having a best friend giving really solid advice and somehow avoid rubbishing other products. You talk about qualities (beauty in images I guess) which just doesn't appear in specifications or other reviews. Cheers. Liam.
Thank you Liam, this is what I was hoping for in my videos, im trying to make the type of videos I would want to watch in terms of information.
Hi Martin, This youtube hit the sweet spot for me, your sample photos are superb.Thank you so much for sharing it.
I was struggling to try & work with, and to like my 5D classic. Then I read about the 6D and bought a used body to see if that would suit my needs better.
The 6D's ability to correct lens abberations, adjust front focus errors, insanely high ISO, rear screen clear enough to check image sharpness, makes it so easy to enjoy and the images are really nice. So much so that I modified a Sony 85mm 2.8 SAM lens with a broken mount to fit the 6D body (with infinity focus and adjustable aperture).
It is a good portrait lens.
Your youtube has helped me to decide that ,good as the 5D classic is, it is not the camera for me and I will sell it.
Thank you so much
Tony
Good and quite professional TH-camr You are. My 6D Mark1 doesn't have any creamy colour issues whatever lens I use or settings. 5D series made very good colours, like the 6D and 1D series. Always use L-lenses on all 10-90D, and on the 7D to 1Dx Mark III. The more pro the body is the more it need a good lens. Like I said before The Canon INC made their best cameras 2007-2017. Best build quality and the feel in the hands when You hold it. I use battery grips on all and the 1D Mark IV and IDx Mark II has bult in grip. Im big handed so it fits well. The 6D Mark 1 is a awesome performer still today. Its even better than my 1D.s. 6D with a real L-lens and You have a very lightweight camera that does the real result that is good even today.
Hey, Martin, I´m glad I found your videos before I choose my vintage full-frame camera!
I've owned the 6D since it came out. I haven't used it much in the last 7 years, but have it out playing around tonight. I don't use it for video ever, but paired with a 70-200mm 2.8l it is still a phenomenal combo. My 70-200mm was purchased at back in 2007. Still amazing!!
6D is Canons best deal imo. Amazing camera and so underrated.
Awesome video man .. very nice and neat. seriously .. I am thinking of selling all my cameras and lenses and keeping (only) the canon 5D Classic with the nifty fifty. It really is all I need to be honest. Buying cameras has become a bad addiction for me .. (but) the canon 5D classic produces the most beautiful and most magical photos of all . I mean.. it serves the purpose beyond my expectations. Thanks again man.. I appreciate your valuable opinion and sharing this with us.
thank you so much!if its all you need maybe maybe try using just that on its on for a while before you sell all your other gear. Simulate not having that gear first before you actually go and sell it all.
Agreed!!!
For me, Take the 5Diii, remove video, add the colour recipe from a 5D, make it a 15 megapixel sensor…that would be my perfect camera.
Oh that would be amazing! good idea!
Bought a 5D, then another as a backup, then some nice L lenses in preparation for my daughter’s engagement photo shoot this spring in Disney World. Then that fear set in you speak of before I even go, “what if I’m in a low light situation and my 5D doesn’t give me the shot I want” even with my 35mm f1.4 L lens, which I feel shoots very soft wide open, so I just ordered the 6D over a Mark iii because of your videos.. Thanks..
I'm just chiming in with all of the other comments that appreciate your content and style of presentation. Thanks and I am a new subscriber.
I appreciate that!
Thank you martin, Because of you I have bought a 6d with 50mm for 470$cad almost brand new with just 3000 shutter count. I can't be more grateful and happy. It just creates magic every time I click a photo.
Hi Martin, love your channel and have been pretty much religiously following your videos since you started, one of the few creators that keep me coming back to the platform. I picked up a 5D based on your comments and have not been disappointed, I would say it's all the camera I need, I feel I can do anything with it and I love the minimal (if any) post processing - and wow those skin tones! I saw an interesting video yesterday where a gentleman who's channel is called 'shutter & chill' compared the 5D to an M11 and found that apart from the lowest 0.01 % and highest couple of percent on the grayscale the 5D actually outperformed the M11 in terms of information or signal per pixel by several dB in some cases, and this is regardless of iso setting! Of course this doesn't tell the whole story and the M11 manages to get very close to the 5d with a hell of a lot more resolution to boot which is pretty amazing IMHO, BUT, I believe his explanation may show that the 5D technically stands as well today as it ever did provided you can get a good exposure and 12 megapixels is practical for the type of work you are doing. I knew it was subjectively good but I suppose it was quite interesting to learn how objectively good it still is!
Liking your channel mate. No nonsense, straightforward content. I've just bought the Canon 5D Classic to try out, just waiting on it to arrive. Never owned a Canon, but I've been on a recent journey of discovery of older gear considered classics, and every review about this older camera seems to tick all the boxes. It's interesting what you said about the Sony A7S, that's by far the best stills camera I've ever owned. Stupidly got rid of it to 'upgrade' to a newer body and instantly regretted it.
The 5D & 7d served me well for many years. Canon replaced the 5D mirror for me at no cost as there were issues with the mirror when the camera was first released. I wore the shutter out on the 7d, having shot so many images over several years. I had the mirror replaced & continued to use the 7d for many more years before selling it. Both cameras were real work horses for me.
I have Own and test many canon. The 5d II files have a metalic look. I love look of 5d classic and 5d III too. The 6d is very nice too .
I've used 5D2 in past. I solde it and I bought 6D. After many years I sold 6D & I bought 5D2 again.
for me the image quality of 5D2 is amazing.
Thanks for putting our all your comparison videos like this where you simply talk about the end result and not the useless spec sheets or test pattern photos. I've been shooting APS-C since 2012 (amateur) and have been wanting to try out full frame for a while but was unsure what to do
I managed to pick up a 6D with a broken LCD cover and broken battery door for $100 and wow I love it (parts coming from ebay). I also have a 90D, which is technically so much better in every regard but I love the 6D so much I am always shooting with it now.
I love it so much I just bought another as a spare with the old 90s 20mm USM, which is another one of those things that is technically old but brilliant and I am in love with my new setup.
All your points are perfect. The new battery matters, especially since I have a 70D and 90D in the house (my girlfriend photographs too) and the SD card. That's what matters to me.
I do miss the touch screen on weird angle shots or on the tripod to zoom in but I work around it with the mobile app.
Hi Dave, thank you so much for this feedback, you got such a good deal on the 6D thats incredible!
Love my 6D it’s my first full frame. I like to use it with vintage lenses. The look is very classic I feel.
Probably one of the best cameras for this
I had canon 6d with canon 24-105 f4, canon 50 f1.8 ii for the last 3 years. I love it very much. I upgraded it from Nikon D5100. I take natural light photo without flash. It is ready great camera for low light. Recently I bought another Canon 6D $450.00 with low shutter count 700 and canon 70-200 f2.8 ii like new (open box) only $1000.00 from ebay. I think that I have the whole set of gear to take portrait, wedding and landscape. It is my hobby... which I have learn to take photo about 5 years from youtube. Thank you for your videos.
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Thanks Tam, always interesting to see what other people are using!
This is a valuable review i needed to hear, THanks Martin.
Glad it was helpful!
Very good point about having less megapixels on full frame sensor. Not to mention being desirable for adapted vintage lenses as well. I do have the a7s mk1 and indeed almost any vintage glass i put on it looks good and sharp with that 3D pop you described. Where it struggles is in bad artificial lighting and skin tones. They just come out too yellow-orange. The 6d seems better in this way after my research. It is about the same high ISO performance as the a7s with much better color especially in jpeg. I compared a lot of things with the dpreview magnifier chart and was blown away by the 6d sensor. That is one of the reasons that I want to get it. To have good skin tones in bad lighting as well.
Going back to the pixel density thing. It just blows me away that almost nobody talks about this, especially when it comes to adapting vintage glass. I have some very fine vintage lenses which were okay on my a6000 and x-e3 but only until I bought an a7s and tried with that one. Night and day difference, so much sharper, such nicer output. I have some 135 lenses that are tack sharp on the a7s without any aberrations and the same lens is muddy with aberrations, ghostings etc on my x-e3. I could not believe my eyes, it's like not even the same lens. (some say that the sensor stack thickness affects IQ with old glasses as well) That is when I decided that I am getting rid of the fuji and possibly never buy any aps-c again. That x-trans III sensor basically looses all color from around ISO 4000. It is awful, but the fanboys never like to talk about this. Well I guess if most people use the expensive fuji glass, that of course is good, but some of us mainly use vintage glass, so I guess we are stuck with full frame for that purpose. Although I might try an X-T1 one day, for the earlier sensor which probably has better tones and lower pixel density. (Your review made me reconsider, since seems like not a reliable camera body).
Thank you for the good content! :)
Thank you Tamas you are welcome! you wont go wrong with the 6d really but as you mention weddings i would push you to a used 5diii if you can afford it.
@@MartinCastein Well I don't do weddings.(Maybe I will do in the future, for some friends). I mainly take pictures at events that I take part of (not paid jobs, just documenting). Well I guess the 5d III looks like a more pro camera with better handling, but to be honest I would prefer a lighter camera. Also I think the 6d is better deal, especially that there is one in my area with a 70-210 f4, grip, flash for 350 pounds. That is very hard to resist.
Also you said that 6d has a bit better IQ. For me a big plus would be that the focusing screen can be changed on the 6d with one of those better suited for using with manual lenses :)
@@sztomi90 oh in your case for sure the 6d. Its only at the point of weddings where i would really recommend the 5diii instead or portrait photographers that shoot outside on the 1.2 primes at 1.2 all the time.
Nice video. I agree the images out of my 6D1 are very buttery smooth. Reminds me of my much older EOS 5 SLR. I'm keepimg my 6D. 😁
Totally agree!
Very nice thoughts and conversation. You are a breath of fresh air from TH-cam influencers supported by one brand or another. I like the way you discuss your experiences with the look of the images from the sensor and how you often prefer a certain camera for the look of the files rather than the technical advances. For me, working for a client, I want a camera that has the technology and lets me know I have the image right at the time of capture (mirrorless), but for personal images I prefer older, simpler cameras. I loved the files from my Nikon D700 and now I'm using a Nikon D800 which has some pros and cons, but a great value today. Lenses are another factor that can really add or take away from an image. When I was first studying photography I purchased a 4x5 camera with a 210mm Commercial Astragon lens that had a big scratch on the front element and I have to say that camera made the best portraits of any camera I have ever owned. Cheers.
Thank you Casey for your comment, d700 is just wonderful. you could always get another one.....just putting that out there for you...👀
I currently have a 5d MKII and the 6D MkI. The 6D was my work horse camera for a while before I got my 5d MKII. But I appreciate this video on how you have given me a new appreciation for the 6D.
I stopped using it regularly because of the 5D mk II AF system over the basic AF of the 6D.
I have a portrait/fashion shoot next Saturday.
I think I'll make my 6D to main camera I'd use. Just to see if I can rediscover that creamy look you mentioned.
I know I get too caught up on the technical aspects of my shoots then see my photography.
Thank you for this video.
Thanks for the comment, for me those cameras are about on par with each other, different look from each and I like both equally I think
Thanks
Thank you Liam!
Hello folks... I had them all... the 5D, 5Dii and 6D.
I liked the image output in all, BUT both the 5D and the 6D have physically failed me on various jobs (I actually had 2x different 6D that BOTH failed me).
My 5D classic experienced the dreaded "mirror falling out" issue that is well known problem.
So I will stick to my 5Dii because it is trusty....
I’d point out the every camera ever made will break eventually I’ve had many different cameras break over the years. My 5d ii broke. they are all excellent cameras.
Such a great review! Best i have ever seen! Im using a 6d Classic and just love it.
I agree on everything you say in this video. I feel like its a very reliable camera and that i can trust the results from it.
Many people say that the A7II has better dynamic range but im starting to doubt on that.
With some of my vintage lenses the result is stunning. A sort of magic feeling to it.
Keep up the good work!=)
Thank you!!!
I have the Canon 5D with the f4/24-105L lens. Recently I bought a used 6D for $425 CAN. I wouldn’t have bought the 6D if I didn’t already have the 24-105. Those two makes a very competent combo for photography. No better DSLR for the price. I like to take them everywhere. My Canon RP is technically a better camera than the 6D, but it doesn’t generate the same amount of emotional response!
I agree with your assessment certainly one of the very best deals around for the money! thanks for your comment Chak :)
I found your videos a couple of weeks ago and can't stop nodding my head. I share with everyone who will listen--I've been banging on about the 5D classic having perfect rendering and colors and most of my portfolio is with the 6D. I love finding these magical sensors, and even bought a Nikon d700 hoping for more magic. It's a great camera too, but doesn't quite have the look of the 5D. Anyway, thank you for posting these, I have much to say on this topic but the bottom line is dynamic range and megapixels are very misleading stats that may help advertisements but don't tell you anything (and in some cases tell you the opposite of their intended message!) about how the images will come out.
Hi Jonathan, thank you so much for this! its great to hear this kind of feedback. I obviously agree with your findings too regarding these camera bodies. I think dynamic range has its place for landscape photography at low iso on a tripod etc but can be overcome easily too. The rendering of the 5d cant be beaten.
I’ve never seen output as good as from the 5D classic. Closest thing I’ve seen is when I rented a Leica. I rented all the newer cannons, Nikons. To me nothing comes close to the magic of the 5D classic. Ethereal, whimsical, magic images out of this camera
@@Bigredfitnessmoshe agree with you!
@Jonathan. Hi, among 5d, d700, 6d, which one do you like in terms of color and b&w ? Thanks !
@@yew108 I don't shoot B&W ever, so I can't comment there. Colors/rendering, I prefer the 5D but the 6D is a very close second. The D700 does not have a very appealing color rendering, so it doesn't get used much. What it does have is speed and file flexibility, as well as a wonderful analog-type noise at high iso.
I considered getting rid of my 6D briefly. But it just does great work all around. Having come from the old film DSLR days focus and recompose comes naturally. The image quality is great and the 6D is an ISO beast. Two years running I've used it to cover a small Christmas market at night and a parade in the dark. No flash and max ISO. Does it take a little post-processing for exposure and noise? Yes, but not much and it gets the shots. I had thought I wanted a 6D MKII for the articulated screen but couldn't swing it. I found though that I kept reaching for my 6D MKI over the Sony A7RII I had wanted so bad. Turned out I don't really make wall-sized images, the battery life sucked, and I just felt more at home on the DSLR. I ended up trading the A7RII for a Canon 80D. The 80D fills in the gaps by having a very usable articulating screen, and a pretty sweet autofocus and the crop sensor still does great images and is pretty good in lower light. Plus stretches my 70-200 f2.8 when needed. It's not the current cool thing but with the 6D MKI, they pretty much cover all I actually need.
I had jonesed a bit for a Canon 5D Classic, for that Classic palette. Seriously though, the 6D does it close enough with more resolution. I'm finding the 20 MP of the 6D and the 24 MP (even if crop sensor) of the 80D to be sweet spots. I appreciate the love and respect you show for the "old" that still does the job well if the photographer does theirs.
For me the 5d classic is one to own as a side camera to something like the 6d, the 6d being a much more practical camera, i enjoy the 5d classic from time to time though.
I wouldn't pass up a killer deal on a 5D Classic should I stumble upon it. ;)
that is very interesting, thanks for your thoughts. I have shot with 5d classic for a long time and have some experience with 6d too. Both are great cameras and i miss that raw feeling a bit) But not too much because I currently use a pretty old camera too and it has this feeling too
3:40 talking about why fewer pixels look better, I'm not scientific about it either but the way I like to think of it is that it's similar to lower ISO film stock. Yes I know its nothing to do with ISO in reality but back in the 80s and 90s,when I was most active in this hobby you chose a lower ISO film stock when you wanted a picture that is sharper and more dynamic and a higher ISO when you didn't care so much about dynamic compression and grain.
Hi Rasheed, thats actually a pretty good analogy actually. :)
thx, Martin, you are reason why i bought 5d classic and i am more than happy :) keep going
Hi Zurab, thats great, glad you are happy with it!
Owned a 5D 1 that was awesome. The 6D does weird stuff with the white balance and purple/fuchsias compared to the original 5D that I really, really don't like. Aside from that that only downside is the AF on the 6D. I've been using my 6D (MK1) since early 2018, after breaking my 5D 'classic.'
The 5d is just special and unique sorry your 5d classic broke, fortunately there are loads of them available. Maybe get another one just to have it.
Hi. Are there a big differences (from autofocus aspect) between 5D Classic and 6D mk1?
@@muradmammadliyt Yes, the center point on the 6D is much better. It also focuses in very dark scenes. I purchased the 6D over the 5D2 because of the autofocus..though by todays standard, it isn't great at all.
Takk!
Thank you!!!
I love my 6D, I also love my 5D MK2...and my 70D, but for other uses. :)
So I bought 5D in 2005 and I have been using it till now. Of course I have been comparing it to Mark 2,3,4 and newer been convinced I can get better imaginary with newer model. Recently I bought 5Ds just simply because of it excellent price (less 900usd new) So I open lightroom now and pictures taken with 5D always look better, really, ALWAYS BETTER! I get rid of all L zooms , I use old canon primes 50/1.8II , 35/2, 24/2.8, 85/1.8 so with such a small and lightweight setup I don't even consider to go mirrorless. Rather consider buying carl zeiss primes... Congratulations on the content of your videos. I am Your new fan.
Great content! Would be very interesting if you did a side by side comparison between 5D Classic, 5D mk II and 6D mk I. In other words taking the exact same picture with the three different cameras. I used to own the Classic before buying my 5D mk II. Unfortunately I sold the Classic before buying the mk II, so I didn't get the chance to compare them side by side.
That would be a good idea Felix, unfortunately my 5dii died and I sold the 6d. i regret selling the 6d and wish my 5dii didnt die but only my 5d classic is still chugging along.
Thanks for the video!
Your explanations are very helpful.
In your videos about the Canon 5D Classic, you try to describe what makes this camera special and the focus is not on technical values.
Through this description, the viewer can
get a much better sense of whether this camera is for you than just comparing specs
In this comparison, too, I find it very well described which camera is the right one for whom.
You described it very well in your video Nikon d700 vs. Canon 5d Classic.
I just bought a Canon 5d Classic and that too
a 50mm 1.8, the 40mm 2.8 is on its way to me.
Now one or the other will ask themselves why they buy a 50 mm and then a 40 mm lens.
1. the 50 mm, because they are just incredibly cheap, it's version 2 and therefore only cost 50€ and
2. use it for almost everything.
But I'm finding more and more that the 40 mm comes closest to what you see for me.
My goal is to get an image that looks as natural as possible with the Canon 5 d classic and the 40 mm 2.8.
As little post-processing as possible and no crop if possible.
In the ideal case, I take the picture as it comes out of the camera.
I thought I could get that from Fujifilm, so years ago I sold my Canon stuff to buy Canon again now, but full frame for the first time.
I love Fuji cameras, they look good and I really like the way they are operated. The film simulations also give you many opportunities to develop images out of the camera.
I also thought it was good to have an electronic viewfinder because you can see straight away what you are getting.
But it's just one of the simulations, which isn't bad.
However, if you want to capture what you see at the moment the picture is taken, an optical viewfinder combined with a camera that produces very natural images is a better choice.
Of course, it always depends on what each individual wants.
I definitely never thought I would buy another SLR and now I see what this old one is
camera for incredibly good pictures.
You also accept the limiting factors and even the much higher weight and size.
I left a thumb and a subscription :)
Best regards
dirk
Another point here. I have a 7D Mk II and am always looking for a full frame sensor. I love the 7D II it's really great, however there are these sit's where you know it doesn't do it, it simple can't from the technical point of view and thats okay, doesn't make it bad at all. A 5D IV and you end up paying 800+ €. Being an amateur, I am not willing to pay that much, plus most of the are beaten up. In good condition, it's more like 1.500 +. I paid 330 € for the 7DII in excellent condition. I pay this amount on glas only, not for the body no way. So I have very nice L lenses and I bought them for full frame still using them on the 7D II aswell. The 6D came into my mind. This is very valuable information indeed. So thank you for that, I ' ll go get me one.
You're doing an excellent job!
Thank you so much 😀
I've been doing landscape on the 5D for around 4 years now. I was recently looking to change it for a 6D and looks like I came to the right channel. The only problem is that every time I look into a face to face comparisson between the 5D and any other camera, I end up thinking it doesn't worth the change.
I know what you mean Gerardo
Thank you for an interesting video! This kind of comparison is what I’ve been looking for. I recently became interested in stylistic differences of different sensors, and I couldn’t pass this 5d mk1 discussion by. Up to this moment I was leaning towards an opinion that this whole ‘classic filmic’ look was nothing more than a cognitive bias of some sort. Like 5d was someones first professional camera and really impressed them and now they tend to believe it is really special. After hearing you, I think that this might not be the case.
So I want to make a couple remarks on the video and hear some feedback to understand you better.
When researching the topic for myself I was struggling to understand what was the real subject. Someone said that out-of-the-camera jpegs have this special look, for some it was pixel size and special grain, not the colors.
I was surprised that you were talking about raw files, not jpegs. While i like your metaphor about sensors being like different film stocks and i get the sentiment, i think it might mislead many people. Since films were made for the times when not much editing was available, the whole point of different film stocks was giving a certain distinct look. Digital raw files on the other hand try to be true to life to accommodate for more complicated editing.
I’m not saying they are the same, but the difference is subtle. That is why i don’t think i can see sensor differences in the photos you showed, since lighting/editing is completely different. What’s more, each raw conversion software also adds a certain look to its output even without any editing. Like, i’m not sure about Lightroom, but CaptureOne has a couple of ICC profiles for each compatible camera in addition to some generic ones.
So I’m really curious what is your workflow when you get this special look. And will it be still noticeable when using different software?
I’m considering buying 5dc, but i’m not sure what i’m going for. I watched a couple of videos where people shot mark 1 vs mark 4 and got almost identical pictures. I keep in mind that they tried to prove that mark one is not any worse, and might have tweaked the images to look the same, but maybe its not as noticeable as some say.
I’m also not sure that if the difference is evident to me, i will like the look. These things are highly subjective.
SO it would be really great if you made a real side to side comparison of some cameras. Like 5d 1,2,4 maybe 6d. By this I mean the same subject, lighting, not much movement between shots, maybe different scenes. A portrait, a flower, a landscape. Would be lovely to have a link with raw files, so everyone interested could see the differences for himself. I would love to make such a deep comparison myself, but i don’t have the luxury of having many different cameras.
I hope my writing didn’t put you to sleep.
Thanks for your great videos anyways!
Part of the issue though is how the files from each of these cameras handle once you start editing with them. The start point themselves is obviously different. You wont see so much difference under certain conditions such as high contrast ie middle of day or night time so much as everything kind of looks the same but things like skin tones, colour separation, colour tones in general will show up much more as soon as you have "good" lighting. And that then becomes more pronounced as you edit. If you look at my 5d classic videos and 6d mark 1 have a look at the comments and you will see many photographers agree and find the same thing. The differences between some sensors are huge.For instance the 5d classic and say a d750 are world different in all sorts of ways. I think in the end you just have to try something and see. If you are looking to get a camera with a nice look/lowish price get the canon 6d mark 1.
Martin, C 6d or N d 600 portrait, macro, family meetings, great knowledge on your channel, don't stop, greetings from Ireland
Just got my 5d Classic a few days ago. It produces very pleasing images straight out of camera.
Excellent Norman!
Great review with genuine information . As a photography hobbyist, Info you shared with your long experience motivated me to buy a Canon 6D in 2022. Its on tthe way, hope i will have great experience too.
I have a 250D and are looking into buying my first full frame, mostly using the 18-35mm sigma 1.8.
I was considering the 5d mark IV, but seems like the 6D mark I might be far better for me (the idea is to have a full frame for serious pictures while the 250D is a "lets make 1000 pictures and keep 10" sort of camera).
Started with the 250D a year ago, so Im kinda starting my journey.
This is exactly the video I needed. I have an original 5D which I love but I really want better iso performance. I can't afford a new full frame dslr but I don't think I need one! Going to treat myself to a 2nd hand 6D I think. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Love this content! Those are two of the cameras I’m considering now.
Thanks Lyndon, the thing to consider with the RP is it has really excellent autofocus, if that matters to you, whereas the 6d has the better sensor.
@@MartinCastein I’m mainly interested in sensor and shooting experience at this point. I have the X-T4 & X-H1 with 2.8 zooms so that gets me performance when needed. I just love the look of certain old sensors & I’d like a full frame camera to adapt some old vintage lenses I have.
@@LyndonPatrickSmith the 5d classic is really good for that I think but you just have to understand its soooo basic. you can hardly even make out the rear screen and it has nothing auto really either. the 6d is much more modern but the 5dii is worth a shout too its got a really nice earthy toned look of its own.
Thanks for putting out this video Martin.
I started my own photography business back in 2013 and purchased a Canon 6D as my main camera.
I'm still using it today as my main camera even though many photographers have gone mirrorless.
The only reason I'd go for a Canon eos R is if I started photographing people at 1.8 while moving, to take advantage of the new eye tracking technology.
Since I only take still headshots and property, I don't need it so I'll stay with my 6D.
Before I went pro in 2013 I had the 5D Classic combined with the 135 f2L and it took the best image quality I've seen in a portrait.
It had a 'Creaminess' that is hard to describe.
Thanks again.
Thank you for sharing this, i think the 135 f2 has become a bit of a hidden gem, it used to be really well regarded but i think people have forgotten about it these days. Its an absolutely superb lens and shines on the 5d. Thank you fro your comment, much appreciated.
@@MartinCastein No problem.
thanks for the effort and sharing. i do enjoy your YT vids. please keep them coming. thumbs up.
Great video. I agree with you completely.
Hey Ian thank you! It’s great to see people with the same cameras agreeing !
Hi Martin! I am a beginner about to take my first photography class at university and I am so thankful for your videos and the work you put into explaining things in real-world terms. You focus on product and performance of a camera, not the specs of a camera, and that has given me quite a lot of perspective. I am looking for my first "real" camera (not my phone or ~20 year old point and shoot). Making a choice has been difficult, but understanding lenses has maybe been the most difficult. Each company has so many lines of product it's hard to keep track! If you have any thoughts on where to begin with putting a kit together, what is "enough" to get started, or resources/books/video recommendations I would be grateful to hear them. I find your work to be really lovely, and I hope to find my own "voice" behind the lens :) Thanks!
Hi there, would need to know what you will be photographing, what kind of budget you have and what has interested you camera/lens wise so far?
@@MartinCastein I love street photography, sadly I live in a rural area and don't have much access to the city. I enjoy portraiture quite a lot and would like to do more. I find myself shooting nature/landscapes (it's what I have most access to), which I also enjoy. I haven't had the chance to use any cameras, but I tend to like cameras that are "sharp enough" but still have the charm or soul or whatever you want to call it of film, like the D700 or 5D. I might not know enough to describe what I'm trying to say, but I think you get it. Unfortunately my budget is not much in the camera world, maybe 450 GBP total for kit (if I push it).
I want to push you to a 5d mark ii with a 50mm 1.8 stm www.mpb.com/en-uk/product/canon-eos-5d-mark-ii/sku-1539815 and then pick one of their 50mm 1.8 stm lenses. The canon system has cheaper f4 zoom lenses for you for later. This kit will push your budget but i think you'd like it. Id pick the 5d ii for you over the 5d classic because you will be able to see what you are doing better with the screen on the back and the resolution is higher and the camera is generally more flexible. Its a superb camera. That total will come to £465 roughly but would be worth it if you can just push a bit more to get it.
@@MartinCastein Thank you for all your time and responses, Martin, I truly appreciate it. I am on the hunt for a 5D Mark ii
good luck, just remember as you go its always you not the gear and shoot as much as you can, look at your work and think about what you can do better next time. Putting in the work and hours to get better is the only way. The gear comes and goes.
I have canon M6 markii, RP and 6D classic... To tell you the truth, 6D is the camera i love to shoot more with, period
great video! thank you.
Thanks again for another great video. Spot on. I pick up the 6D way more often than my 5D because it's so much more reliable in terms of focus. Unless I'm shooting slow, then I prefer the 5D.
I'm hoping you can recommend an APS-C Canon DSLR. I have the Sigma 1.8 zooms which I adapt to my Fuji gear but want to see what a "classic" Canon DSLR with less megapixels can put out with these excellent lenses.
Thanks Daniel, great to hear your thoughts too. Well dont laugh but id actually say have a look at the canon 40d, i used one for ages and it has similar colours to the 5d classic as well, but if you want something more modern then you will be fine with an 80d or 90d im not sure they are really the best for rendition they are probably too dense in pixels for the sensors. Buy from somewhere you can return to easily if i were you.
I agree for the 40D, same color than the 5d on apsc…
I would have to say the Canon 30D
Another great video, cheers mate :)
thanks Jay!
i found that the rebel t6 is very close to colors with the classic a sleeper of a camera
you stole my words........ great eye...im not alone.. thank you for this video..
You are welcome!
Great vid!
Your channel deserves WAY more subscribers. Or I would say, many more suscribers deserve to find and join it. Excellent content! I thought the 5Dii would give cooler, more blueish files than the Classic... interesting.🤔
Much appreciated!
Canon's first 1Ds was 11.2 mp on a full size sensor. I know because I bought it in 2002 and still own it. Nikon countered with a 13 mp but with a smaller sensor. Thus began the pixel wars! Canon had a kind of a range finder camera but it had an eye level finder, a hot shot and many many features wrapped in a fine leather case. It was glorious but Canon joined in the pixel count fight because the consumer did not know any better. Soon 16 mp were offered but because the sensor was crowded and the actual pixel size in micron became too small. Canon realized as you do that the pixel count is secondary to image quality if each pixel is larger. For example Hasselblads 39 mp on the 6x4.5 cm sensor is 6.8 microns. Those light buckets gulp the suns rays. My 11.2 kicks butt even today. So Canon was well aware and decided not to play the pixel count game but chose better image quality instead. I was there and lived it. I was so impressed Canon chose the high road.
Thank you for passing on your years of experience and supreme knowledge. I enjoyed film but have hardly used my d7000 which I bought new to do a relative’s wedding at the time. I’ve got good glass from 35mm days got really good Tamron adaptall lenses as well as Nikon primes. Was intending to get a d800 but now you have persuaded me to look at Canon 6d. Funds limited so perhaps leave full frame for another year. Great vids 👍
Obviously I’ve got 18-50 and 70-300 zooms for the 7000 too.
Glad it was helpful!
6d & 5d classic are without Low pass filter that why you get sharper pictures. The sane Nikon d800 with filter and d800E without filter. I have 5d m3 and choose over 6d just for layout and similar to other 5d line but you let me think about 6d is definitely good replacement for 5d classic.
I almost ended buying a 5D mk ii after watching some of your videos. Then I decided on the 6D. Then I bought a bunch of EF lenses (used). 😂
🤣🤣🤣 why not , why not, hope you will enjoy them!!
Funny, I had a 5D2 and a 6D which I both didn't really use any more due to also having an R and R5.
So I sold the 5D2 simply because the 6D was the more modern camera.. WIFI.. GPS and so on... and I thought this was more important than body and handling.
Never saw much of a difference between the two because I always edited the RAW files anyway.
Then I saw a few 6D videos on here recently and it really make me want to check it out again and see how the look of the images might differ from my R5.
Never thought the 6D would have a similar look to that of the 5D1 since I never used a 5D1... but interesting to know.
Great video, i have been saying this for a while always found my 6d was so close to the 5d (classic) which i love ,got rid of the 5d2, chuffed iv seen a video made about this, Your right even in these days you'll be blown away with photos from these two cameras if you need more megapixels just buy gigapixel A1 and enlarge your photos then you have these large beautiful photos with that beautiful creamy look, thanks again for the vid. oh maybe spend more on glass than megapixels.
Thank you for your comment, glad you found the same, i like the 5dii as well its a different look but good in its own right. :)
@@MartinCastein oh no doubt it is good and has it advantages the lighter weight of the 6d wins it over for me too ,but hey nothing wrong with these older work horses, stay safe my man loving the vids of common sense and the none snobbery attitude.
@@gonzphotographymusicchanne2855 thank you! appreciated!
I might buy them both. The 5D CLASSIC for sure.
If I were you I’d get the 6d and add the 5d later I’d do it in that order
Hi, Martin, you asked whether you should review new gear on your channel, but I would also be interested to hear from you how life of a professional photographer looks like, especially since social media has become so enormous. And I would like to hear from you how, within this all, you keep your passion for photography alive and should an amateur become a pro or is an amateur better off as an amateur, hence, the difference between amateur and pro photog. I would like to see what a typical day for you looks like... Keep up the good work! Thanks!
Thanks for this i will think about making that.
Thanks Martin. I just bought a canon 5dc with a 50mm, 1.8 coming from Sony and Fuji Apsc cameras. The autofocus is at least not worse than on my fuji xt1. The colours are really amazing on my computer. On the LCD screen I cannot even tell, whether the shots are in focus... Maybe I should have tried the 6d first. On mpb there are many more on sale than 5d cameras. I just thought a used 6d with 100.000 actutions would be lot. And I actually received a pristine 5d with a serial number that starts with 3. Hopefully the mirror does not fall out. I am mainly doing portrait and travel photography. Would recommend the 17-40, 4.0 or the 85, 1.8 as a second lens?
Id get the 17-40 for travel as you have portraits covered with the 50mm really. Turn the sharpening up on your camera so you can check focus better. Dont worry too much though with it and id stick with it if i were you. Imagine shooting film where you cant check focus at all. You can learn to trust the camera more over time and get used to the focus. :) hope that helps
Bought a 5D classic and on 2nd use, the mirror fell out of it. Not worth the $200 repair bill. So never really got to see what the fuss about Canon is all about (currently Fuji guy and previously shot Nikon and Pentax...also recently got a D700). So now for the replacement to give it another go, I am really torn on the 5D Mkii or the 6D. Leaning 6D based on your videos if I can find one at a decent price.
your 5d is quite easily repairable, even without having to send it somewhere for repair.
thanks for your video y have this two cameras!!!! and its my ever question it is better the 6d or 5d whatever congrats and see you soon from chile
It was probably around 2009. A photographer who had been around a long time is the only other person I’ve heard explain the the sensor/pixel issue in this same way. Of course I didn’t really understand the significance of what he was saying.
channels like these are what highlights what makes youtube great. this kinda dialogue and discussion would be so much harder to come across.
thanks, im glad you are enjoying it!