"I wish to God he'd never opened his mouth!" His voice... it's so packed with pain and confusion and fear. He sounds so desperate and lost during this entire scene. It's killing me :'(
Same. Too bad I failed. The thing is, no matter what you do to protect someone, the shit you're protecting them from will always find a way around you and get to them anyways
I find it sad, that Michael chose to "kill" rather than defy his father as Dean did. They both got the same orders, yet one chose the brother and the other didn't. T_T
You obviously haven't seen the show Da'San Ardis. Lucifer wasn't evil when he was cast out from Heaven. It was the MoC. Even God admitted that he wasn't evil or a villain.
Honestly, John really blew that one! Look at how freaked and terrified Sam is! 😢 Imagine you felt your whole life like you were never good enough for your parent, never deserving of their pride and love, always being compared to your "perfect" older sibling! And then you get to know that your father, basically, wants you dead because he neither trusts you nor your inner strength. *And you don't even know why!* AND that you quite possibly have to meet your end by the hand of your sibling, hero, idol and only family member left. GOSH, I'd be *crushed*! This is sooo messed up! Plus, Dean should've never been given that kind of responsibility. Just... no! It's killing him! Poor guys!
Wayward Son perfect? I think not John trained Dean to do his job. At least Sammy had some semblance of a childhood. Dean basically had to be his parent. If Sam was thinking straight he would have realized what a crapbag John was and how strong Dean is. Dean lived his whole life with one purpose "Protect Sam".
Imagine how Dean feels about this whole situation, his dad dying wish was basically if your brother goes too dark you have to kill him no questions asked, I feel bad for both of them but to kill my Younger Brother, jeez thats just too much for me.
I realy don't know what kind of scenes you've been watching because I do not remember john EVER stating he didn't love sam. And he told DEAN, and dean told sam. Dean could've also kept it to himself. And seeing where the whole deamon blood thing led in season 4, namely dean forebly detoxing sam and stating if he dies that's how it goes basically.
I actually thought John was ok until he said that Dean needed to save Sam or kill his brother and John's son. And with all that he apparently knew he didn't think to tell Sam either. That's just not forgivable, even if you understand. It's like he got some kind of messiah complex. He absolutely had to kill the demon and planned on dying and had to stop it and actually decided to kill his son 'if it was necessary' and then laid it all on Dean.
Well John wanted to kill Sam so Dean didnt have to. Supposedly he knew the prophecy from the demons that were chasing Dean and Sam down for years. The prophecy that Sam is Lucifers host and Dean is Michaels and that eventually God wants it all to end one way by Dean killing Sam but Dean can't cause he loves Sam too much. He spent half his lofe raising Sam only to be told to kill him. John didnt want that.
Um... did you not hear the whole quote? Save Sam and if it’s not possible, kill him. Sounds like he knew and was concerned about Sam being Lucifer’s vessel, not Azazel...
Reminds me so much of my Little Brother and Myself. Really hits the feels. As a brother it's my duty to protect my brother from the evil in this world.
Scrody McBoogerballs Thats the same for me but with my sisters. I fight with them and they are annoying as hell, but its my job as the oldest to take care of my sisters and protect them!
It's your job as a big Sister to protect them no matter how much they piss you off. My brother pisses me off everyday. BUT, I love him. I respect you and the fact you protect them. Keep up the good work! I know I don't know you, but I'm proud of you!
I used to find this such an emotional scene and now looking back it's almost laughable how big of a deal they make it seem. They're much better actors now than they were then, in my opinion, simply because they have spent so much time together, learning from one another.
It doesn't seem like a big deal now because the writers have made them experience so much. It's more emotional than anything in Seasons 8-10 (Minus the bro moment in Sacrifice)
Season 1-5 had much better acting and dialogue, to be honest. The recent seasons and those beyond 5 are brilliant, don't get me wrong, but a fair amount of scenes are quite bad. Not the fault of the actors, more the writers.
Yeah it broke my heart when in season 3 sam said he wanted to act more like dean ( as in be more stoic and stuff I'm not saying dean is bad I love dean) because sam has alwas just had this serten tenderness in his heart that made me smile
After rewatching Lebanon (s14) and John’s return, part of me has this theory that even though John thought his trip to the future was a dream, he still had a look into everything the boys told him, out of curiosity - like the men of letters - discovered that what he’d dreamt was true and then John telling Dean he might have to kill his brother is him trying to tell him about the future, the decisions he’ll have to make, without revealing too much else.
I too feel that Lebanon also has tried to explain John's hard choices and words to Dean. Would they have shown that scene with John in the car at the end, if not to infer that he looked in to what he 'dreamed'. Telling the boys all that was before them would not have been sensible, he knew what he had to do, and led them into that future in the first season, knowing what was coming
What exasperated me is how everyone prevents Sam from finding out who he is. He is the boy with the demon blood, he was chosen for a reason and it is his right to find out why? Why him? What was his purpose? What powers does he have and how does he tap into those abilities in a way that could change his destiny? It was Sam who had the demon blood and so it should have been solely him who had the right to chose what he wants to do with his powers. Furthermore, how can one know who they _really_ are, without knowledge of a large part of their history and capabilities. Sam's agency was constantly suppressed by everyone, including Dean. A good comparison is the way Harry Potter's family concealed that fact that he was a wizard from him, as well as how his parents truly died. By hiding the truth as to who he really was, they denied him the right to self - actualise and prevented him from knowing who he really is. Existentially, this can be catastrophic for the psyche of a single human being. To realise that all that you thought was real in your life is not, and that those around you prevent you from finding out who you really are, is an polemic attack on your very existence. I get that Dean is scared to allow Sam to delve into his powers, for many reasons. However it had to be done, it was Sam's right.
Look at a bunch of the shady shit Sam did when he had the demons blood. Towards season 15 we saw dream sequence of an alternate world word Sam had been taken over by the demon blood. And still killed his brother without remorse. While it was Sam’s destiny in the end, he needed somebody to ground him so that he wouldn’t go to far that being dean
Dean should have never told Sam that but Honestly John should have never told Dean that I mean leave that as a burden to your son those boys have already been through enough john may have not meant no true harm but he suck as a father
It was the right decision to tell it dean. They are on their own and need to be prepared. It bothers me that John didn't reveal the whole plan of the yellow to dean.
Dude im rewatching season 2 right now, (I start from s3 everytime i binge spn). The amount of foreshadowing in season 2 is mindblowing, literally gives me goosebumps.
so does anyone think sam and dean going back in time has something to do with his message? or is it just me lol? Idk i know the angels wiped johns mind but maybe he got his memories back somehow and one of the brothers told him about their future.
What? What kind of bull shit was John saying??? You don't say that to your kid! Considering how close Dean and Sammy are, I am surprised that Dean just didn't knock him flat on his ass! John was So wrong to say that!
When he made a deal with the demon Azazel to kill him for the Colt, Azazel must've said or hinted at Sam having Demon Blood in him from Azazel's first visit to the Winchesters. That must've led into a bit of a conversation about Michael and Luci.
@GGCC1 I don't think he knew about the vessel thing...it seems that the extend of his knowledge was that Yellow Eyes had given him demon blood and had plans for him...he died before the Angel/Demon story line....
I like John of the old seasons more than the exaggerated version of him in the later seasons. The problem is that the fandom compares the Winchester family to any ordinary happy family. They are fighting monsters you cannot raise a child in normal circumstances, knowing that this incident with Mary could happen again. This man is, after all, a human and lost almost everything and is afraid to lose his kids too, that's why he trained them like soldiers. John made many mistakes, especially by Dean, and he himself admitted, but he redeemed himself when he went to hell (knowing there is no escape from that) to save deans life. This is something that many parents wouldn't do. He proved that his kids were more important than his revenge.
If you can't stop Sam from turning into the demon general of hell, be prepared to kill him. Is that so hard to say. If I was Sam, of course I want to be saved but if I go darkside, dude take me out.
Trust me when I say this if you recall the end verse that was when Dean and Sam split apart, Sam was pretty adamant on saying no to Lucifer and yet somehow he did and that verse even when explicitly kept saying he was going to say no he still said yes
People are critizing John for saying that but think about it, think about what Sam's done. How many mistakes he made. He basically made the apocalypse happen because of his addiction to demon blood and his trust in Ruby. John doesn't want Sam dead but what if that's not the worst outcome? If you think about it, if Sam turns evil then what's the point in keeping him alive? Sam wouldn't be the himself anymore. Yes dean managed to save him again and again but at the cost of millions of lives. John isn't the monster here.
I realy don't get why that makes john a bad guy. Sure he could've relied a bit more knformagion to dean but for the makeing up as they go along other fans do we could also assume azazel made it a requirement for john not to tell dean any specifics off screan. Also, cue season 4 and dean fircibly detoxing sam of the deamon blood and basicalls saying "if it kills him so be it"
This is when I officially decided that I don't like their Dad. Up untill this point, John Winchester for me was this crap dad who redeemed himself and sacrificed himself for the son he just got killed. But then we find out that his very last words to that son were: "Oh, by the way, you may have to kill you brother" ???
"I wish to God he'd never opened his mouth!"
His voice... it's so packed with pain and confusion and fear. He sounds so desperate and lost during this entire scene. It's killing me :'(
as a big brother myself I fully understand deans desire to protect sam at all costs
And I'm an older sister..
my older brother cannot relate to this lol he'd let me die
Same thing I’m always protect of mine lil brother
It also works well the otherway around. Im the Big Brother and my lil Brother(who is Big) protects me xD
Same. Too bad I failed. The thing is, no matter what you do to protect someone, the shit you're protecting them from will always find a way around you and get to them anyways
I find it sad, that Michael chose to "kill" rather than defy his father as Dean did. They both got the same orders, yet one chose the brother and the other didn't. T_T
+Aris Niro Lol remember his brother is SATAN
You obviously haven't seen the show Da'San Ardis. Lucifer wasn't evil when he was cast out from Heaven. It was the MoC. Even God admitted that he wasn't evil or a villain.
Mikayla Heiden Lol I have since day 1... Satan is evil.. lol
Nope. Just corrupted by the MoC. It was talked about and explained late S11
Mikayla Heiden I know! but he is still evil point and blank.
This is the Supernatural I miss.
@Joshua Arrubla ok...
@@midnightcowboy9104 ok....
@@Mario79837 ok...
makes sense
@@jessealbertson8187 ok...
The fact that even john had planned to kill him too .....
That’s because he cared about the world more than his own flesh and blood.
@@BRB-ck3jr John was a Marine he saw the mission as the only thing that mattered
Remember when is was all so easy? I miss them days
Even after 15 seasons. S2 is still hands down my favourite season
Honestly, John really blew that one! Look at how freaked and terrified Sam is! 😢 Imagine you felt your whole life like you were never good enough for your parent, never deserving of their pride and love, always being compared to your "perfect" older sibling! And then you get to know that your father, basically, wants you dead because he neither trusts you nor your inner strength. *And you don't even know why!* AND that you quite possibly have to meet your end by the hand of your sibling, hero, idol and only family member left. GOSH, I'd be *crushed*! This is sooo messed up! Plus, Dean should've never been given that kind of responsibility. Just... no! It's killing him! Poor guys!
Wayward Son perfect? I think not John trained Dean to do his job. At least Sammy had some semblance of a childhood. Dean basically had to be his parent. If Sam was thinking straight he would have realized what a crapbag John was and how strong Dean is. Dean lived his whole life with one purpose "Protect Sam".
I totally get what you mean xxx
Imagine how Dean feels about this whole situation, his dad dying wish was basically if your brother goes too dark you have to kill him no questions asked, I feel bad for both of them but to kill my Younger Brother, jeez thats just too much for me.
John was always an ass.
I realy don't know what kind of scenes you've been watching because I do not remember john EVER stating he didn't love sam.
And he told DEAN, and dean told sam. Dean could've also kept it to himself. And seeing where the whole deamon blood thing led in season 4, namely dean forebly detoxing sam and stating if he dies that's how it goes basically.
I actually thought John was ok until he said that Dean needed to save Sam or kill his brother and John's son. And with all that he apparently knew he didn't think to tell Sam either. That's just not forgivable, even if you understand. It's like he got some kind of messiah complex. He absolutely had to kill the demon and planned on dying and had to stop it and actually decided to kill his son 'if it was necessary' and then laid it all on Dean.
+Anita Sarkeesian don't be rude
Well John wanted to kill Sam so Dean didnt have to. Supposedly he knew the prophecy from the demons that were chasing Dean and Sam down for years. The prophecy that Sam is Lucifers host and Dean is Michaels and that eventually God wants it all to end one way by Dean killing Sam but Dean can't cause he loves Sam too much. He spent half his lofe raising Sam only to be told to kill him. John didnt want that.
Yeah john gets worse and worse each time people open there mouth to talk about him
Um... did you not hear the whole quote? Save Sam and if it’s not possible, kill him. Sounds like he knew and was concerned about Sam being Lucifer’s vessel, not Azazel...
Reminds me so much of my Little Brother and Myself. Really hits the feels. As a brother it's my duty to protect my brother from the evil in this world.
Scrody McBoogerballs Thats the same for me but with my sisters. I fight with them and they are annoying as hell, but its my job as the oldest to take care of my sisters and protect them!
It's your job as a big Sister to protect them no matter how much they piss you off. My brother pisses me off everyday. BUT, I love him. I respect you and the fact you protect them. Keep up the good work! I know I don't know you, but I'm proud of you!
Scrody McBoogerballs Thanks and I'm proud of you too!
Ava Hodge know the feeling I'm the oldest. Its my job to protect my siblings at all costs.
“You’re immune to some weirdo demon virus and I don’t know what the hell anymore” 😂
I used to find this such an emotional scene and now looking back it's almost laughable how big of a deal they make it seem. They're much better actors now than they were then, in my opinion, simply because they have spent so much time together, learning from one another.
Cara V Exactly what I was thinking
It doesn't seem like a big deal now because the writers have made them experience so much. It's more emotional than anything in Seasons 8-10 (Minus the bro moment in Sacrifice)
Season 1-5 had much better acting and dialogue, to be honest. The recent seasons and those beyond 5 are brilliant, don't get me wrong, but a fair amount of scenes are quite bad. Not the fault of the actors, more the writers.
Also, think about it. If you just heard your brother say their father told him to kill him, you'd be making a big deal out of it as well.
the darkside, the force is strong on this on
lmfao lol
Damn , 14 years ago , time really flies 😭🥺
Gotta say, I prefer Sam when the series first started compared to how he looks now... I like the sweeter Sam.
Yeah it broke my heart when in season 3 sam said he wanted to act more like dean ( as in be more stoic and stuff I'm not saying dean is bad I love dean) because sam has alwas just had this serten tenderness in his heart that made me smile
aw, dean's adorable when he begs...thanks for uploading.
I miss these days. Back when things were real and simple .
I was not even born at that time 😅😅
After rewatching Lebanon (s14) and John’s return, part of me has this theory that even though John thought his trip to the future was a dream, he still had a look into everything the boys told him, out of curiosity - like the men of letters - discovered that what he’d dreamt was true and then John telling Dean he might have to kill his brother is him trying to tell him about the future, the decisions he’ll have to make, without revealing too much else.
I too feel that Lebanon also has tried to explain John's hard choices and words to Dean. Would they have shown that scene with John in the car at the end, if not to infer that he looked in to what he 'dreamed'. Telling the boys all that was before them would not have been sensible, he knew what he had to do, and led them into that future in the first season, knowing what was coming
What exasperated me is how everyone prevents Sam from finding out who he is. He is the boy with the demon blood, he was chosen for a reason and it is his right to find out why? Why him? What was his purpose? What powers does he have and how does he tap into those abilities in a way that could change his destiny? It was Sam who had the demon blood and so it should have been solely him who had the right to chose what he wants to do with his powers. Furthermore, how can one know who they _really_ are, without knowledge of a large part of their history and capabilities. Sam's agency was constantly suppressed by everyone, including Dean. A good comparison is the way Harry Potter's family concealed that fact that he was a wizard from him, as well as how his parents truly died. By hiding the truth as to who he really was, they denied him the right to self - actualise and prevented him from knowing who he really is. Existentially, this can be catastrophic for the psyche of a single human being. To realise that all that you thought was real in your life is not, and that those around you prevent you from finding out who you really are, is an polemic attack on your very existence.
I get that Dean is scared to allow Sam to delve into his powers, for many reasons. However it had to be done, it was Sam's right.
Look at a bunch of the shady shit Sam did when he had the demons blood. Towards season 15 we saw dream sequence of an alternate world word Sam had been taken over by the demon blood. And still killed his brother without remorse. While it was Sam’s destiny in the end, he needed somebody to ground him so that he wouldn’t go to far that being dean
Sam and Dean💖I love these guys eternally 😢❤️🙏
aww dean 2:21
i AM CRYING????????????????? omg they had no idea what the future held nO IDEA AT ALL
Dean should have never told Sam that but Honestly John should have never told Dean that I mean leave that as a burden to your son those boys have already been through enough john may have not meant no true harm but he suck as a father
It was the right decision to tell it dean. They are on their own and need to be prepared. It bothers me that John didn't reveal the whole plan of the yellow to dean.
I love this scene
dude,that impala it's a BAD ASS.
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I really do want to know what sam is thinking"my own father told my brother to kill me wtf"
Daddy want's to kill meeee
Dude im rewatching season 2 right now, (I start from s3 everytime i binge spn). The amount of foreshadowing in season 2 is mindblowing, literally gives me goosebumps.
So Johnny boy knew that Sam was Lucifer's vessel this whole time? WOW
another great scene of acting from JA and JP
Aww poor Sam imagine finding out that. =(
aah!
thank you! I'm glad that you uploaded this!
more kudos! :)
so does anyone think sam and dean going back in time has something to do with his message? or is it just me lol? Idk i know the angels wiped johns mind but maybe he got his memories back somehow and one of the brothers told him about their future.
Dean tried to save Sam, no matter what happened. But Dean failed, that resulted Sam going darkside in Seasons 4 & 5...
I mean Sam was never evil in those seasons he just drank demon blood.
Dean has not really failed. He was in hell, and in that time, Ruby took advantage of it and made sam addicted to demon blood.
i love dean ,he is an awsome guy.
IM CRYING.
Being a big sister, I couldn't imagine my dad saying that to me
Now if only dean was this patience with Sam lmao
what do u mean?
What? What kind of bull shit was John saying??? You don't say that to your kid! Considering how close Dean and Sammy are, I am surprised that Dean just didn't knock him flat on his ass!
John was So wrong to say that!
Aww brotherly love :D
What was the song at the beginning of this episode?
s02ep10
I wonder if John knew about Michael and lucifer?
When he made a deal with the demon Azazel to kill him for the Colt, Azazel must've said or hinted at Sam having Demon Blood in him from Azazel's first visit to the Winchesters. That must've led into a bit of a conversation about Michael and Luci.
DAMN! now i wish i didn't miss sooo many supernatural episodes!
Dean should be ricks brother from twd
@GGCC1 I don't think he knew about the vessel thing...it seems that the extend of his knowledge was that Yellow Eyes had given him demon blood and had plans for him...he died before the Angel/Demon story line....
I know Sam’s the one being kind of threatened here, but dang if Dean doesn’t get put through the wringer during this season
what season and episode is this ?
2×10
'i'm pregnant'
Idk why'd john wants Sam dead til now is cus he was one of azazels children n hav demon blood
What episode and season is this from?
The fact that people still like John?! Like wtaf
I like John of the old seasons more than the exaggerated version of him in the later seasons. The problem is that the fandom compares the Winchester family to any ordinary happy family. They are fighting monsters you cannot raise a child in normal circumstances, knowing that this incident with Mary could happen again. This man is, after all, a human and lost almost everything and is afraid to lose his kids too, that's why he trained them like soldiers. John made many mistakes, especially by Dean, and he himself admitted, but he redeemed himself when he went to hell (knowing there is no escape from that) to save deans life. This is something that many parents wouldn't do. He proved that his kids were more important than his revenge.
If you can't stop Sam from turning into the demon general of hell, be prepared to kill him. Is that so hard to say. If I was Sam, of course I want to be saved but if I go darkside, dude take me out.
Trust me when I say this if you recall the end verse that was when Dean and Sam split apart, Sam was pretty adamant on saying no to Lucifer and yet somehow he did and that verse even when explicitly kept saying he was going to say no he still said yes
you can?? where? pleaaaseee tell me. ive been searching forever and still cant find any
from what episode
2×10 :)
its ok! lol and actually, i already found a site to use, but thank you anyway for replying.
dang... anybody knows where i can stream supernatural episodes online? i'm stuck at 02x09...
People are critizing John for saying that but think about it, think about what Sam's done. How many mistakes he made. He basically made the apocalypse happen because of his addiction to demon blood and his trust in Ruby. John doesn't want Sam dead but what if that's not the worst outcome? If you think about it, if Sam turns evil then what's the point in keeping him alive? Sam wouldn't be the himself anymore. Yes dean managed to save him again and again but at the cost of millions of lives. John isn't the monster here.
I disagree
@@adrienette4ever568how so
how did John Winchester die please????
He sacrified himself to save Dean
Sold his soul in exchange for Dean's life
I realy don't get why that makes john a bad guy. Sure he could've relied a bit more knformagion to dean but for the makeing up as they go along other fans do we could also assume azazel made it a requirement for john not to tell dean any specifics off screan.
Also, cue season 4 and dean fircibly detoxing sam of the deamon blood and basicalls saying "if it kills him so be it"
What kind of father would say this??? ×remembers it's John Winchester we're talking about× yeah, alright
Jon looks like Billy Mays lol
holy shit
Kill sammy???!!! Wtf!!!!
This is when I officially decided that I don't like their Dad. Up untill this point, John Winchester for me was this crap dad who redeemed himself and sacrificed himself for the son he just got killed. But then we find out that his very last words to that son were: "Oh, by the way, you may have to kill you brother" ???
One off the best shows ever. Love these brothers! (in a non-gay way ofc)
omg... 3 person unlike it....
Uau
After all that has happened, maybe Dean should have killed Sam. It is had to admit but it would have prevented a lot of things from happening.
Lowkey dislike Sam
holy shit