Am new to MFT, most primes are excellent and good value compared with other formats. However, I am very keen on landscape images. The cropping factor appears to make it difficult to get a wide landscape focal length. Yes, I have looked at the available lens, but am a little put off by the cost of the Pro wide angle zoom. Own several excellent Samyang wide angle primes (manual focus) but looking for zoom in Olympus. Any prime/ zoom suggestions, prefer, but don't have to be Olympus. Thanks in advance.
i just picked up two new lens cant wait to try them 7 14mm f2.8 ,40 150mm f2.8 on end of Fyear sales for a steal. Your video are so informative, like watching them, glad your there to turn too.
Yes. Firmware 4.2 added the 8mm fisheye pro along with several other lenses. We are up to 4.6 now. cs.olympus-imaging.jp/en/support/imsg/digicamera/download/software/firm/e1/
Here's an article by an Olympus user that may help: www.gavtrain.com/?p=3960 I recommend 4x because the pixel pitch of our cameras is very small, so in addition to ibis, a faster shutter speed helps eliminate camera shake.
Thanks for this video, Rob. I love my Olympus 8mm Fisheye Pro, although I do little shooting in JPG. The loss of focus peaking you mention is not that critical with a fisheye because of the greater depth of field.
On an unrelated note, but from a previous video you made about off camera flash usage. I am looking for an off camera flash triggered slave flash gun. Like the SB26. Does the SB20 have the same functions?
Thought with the amount of real estate work you do, you could find some use for even the Pro wide angle. However, if you are getting by with present glass, perhaps no sense in spending more. Just thought the wide angle zoom, given it's for work use, would give you greater flexibility.
I chose the 8mm f/1.8 fisheye for it's fast aperture. I plan to use it for astrophotography as well. So killing two birds with one stone. I actually have a panasonic 7-14mm f/4, but don't really recommend it for Olympus. It has purple flaring issues.
Hello Rob, can you tell me, why so many swear on "M" Mode? Are there any hidden features? "Only if you always use "M" you are a photographer, you know?" I prefer in lots of situations the way you use the aperture priority. Because I can concentrate on the subject and the ISO and shutter is doing exactly that, what I adjusted (limitations). And if i want to bring down or up the exposure, I have the wheel.
Focus on the image, not the gear. Auto features gets the camera out of the way of your vision. Sometimes you need to go beyond what the auto modes will allow, so manual lets you break those boundaries. As you gain more experience, you'll know when the camera auto mode is holding you back and can switch to manual mode. I would imagine most people shooting in manual mode are still using the camera's exposure meter, so it's a bit hypocritical in my opinion to say you're not a photographer unless you shoot in "M".
Hi Rob, thanks for your great in-depth reviews and tutorials ! I own a Lumix G9, a Pen-F and a bunch of m43 lenses, including the Pana 7-14. I work in commercial real estate, and I'm passionate about storms and lightning photography. Following your initial review, I was very interested in the 8mm 1.8. But the quirks you mention here *are* dealbreakers for me : no raw files workflow for rectilinear pictures, a lot of features (livecomp, etc..) no more accessible..less than my Gopro with a similar FOV. Nearly useless. Hard to swallow at this price point ! Do you know if all this quirks and limitations have been fixed since with the EM1 MkIII or firmware updates ? Thanks !
Hi. If you use Lightroom, you can apply fisheye correction to raw images using the Sigma 8mm fishey lens profile. I then tweak it slightly and save it as a preset. But the in-camera fisheye correction is still jpg only. It's not an ideal workflow in the field when you are composing the shot. I'm waiting for the 8-25mm f/4 lens that might be coming from Olympus for my pro work.. The 8mm will be regulated to astrophotography and toy shots.
Thanks for this video Rob. Did you know that you can defish the image in Lightroom, and not make a trip to Olympus Workspace? The trick is to choose a fisheye lens profile in the Lens Correction area of Lightroom. I've found the Sigma 8mm f3.5 lens correction works perfectly. Set this up as as a preset and you can correct the image in one click.
I recently got a steal on the 7-14mm pro and after watching your video I am wondering if I should have spent a couple hundred more and bought thee 8mm. Why did you choose the 8mm and not the 7-14mm which would have given you a focal length closer to your preferred 17mm?
I bought the 8mm primarily for my real estate photography and rarely need anything over 8mm. Its also smaller and lighter than the 7-14mm, plus 1.3 stops faster which lends itself to astrophotography as well!
No. As long as fisheye correction is on, peaking is off. Easy enough to shoot without the fisheye correction in raw and have peaking, then just correct in Workspace.
@@RobTrek thx again Rob, sorry if my wording was a bit off, I was asking about shooting in RAW (without correction, witch I neglected to specify) and seems like the focus peeking will work then. Thx again
I suppose you could do all your editing to the raw file in Lightroom, and then apply the fisheye correction in Olympus Workspace at the end. Would that be a usefull workflow? That way, you coould take advantage of the raw file editing capabilities in Lightroom. Does that make any sense?
Hello Rob...Great video tutorials as allways...! Lens seems very good, compared to others. I sent you a link by mail...Robin uses the camera processor "In" workspace...maybe that will work for the defishing too...? Just a thought. Summer greetings...!
Processing in Raw, Robin demonstrates a Huge time improvement over Workspace alone, in the order of 3 sec to more than 20, I was hoping you could do Raw defishing, just like in camera...? may be not. and what about the raw->jpeg...? Will that change...? I dont have the em1II, so I cant try it... but the Em1II sure ticks a lot more boxes now. Again, TThank You for these videos...That Fisheye is cool. PS: Do you think the 180 degree angle of view is the diagonal number...? (Like the focal lenght)
Hey Rob long time no talk Doesn't Photoshop have a fisheye correction filter called adaptive? Take your raw file into Camera Raw adjust the colors and then open into photoshop and adjust for lens correction Photoshop even knows what lens and camera you used Give it a try Best regards, Rick
Thanks. Yes, been a long time. I have worked out a new workflow in Lightroom that works. I simply apply sigma 8mm fisheye plus about 107 manual distortion. Works 99% of the time.
If this lens could do everything, which you noticed that it can't do...it would have been the best wide angle lens in the world. In a Micro 4/3 world...that sounds too good to be true. MFT cameras and lenses are very good at many things, but not best at anything, except two things: 1. Image stabilization. It's hard to beat even the em-10 II's IBIS...not to mention the 7.5 stops of IBIS claimed by the em-1 X; 2. No camera system is as small and portable as MFT. Very interesting upload though. Thanks for mentioning the cons of a lens, which you revered so much just one day ago.
180 degrees is across the diagonal, not horizontally. Interesting some people have adapted this lens to full frame cameras to get a true fisheye, like here - th-cam.com/video/_vRJVvdZ608/w-d-xo.html
Definitely, if you're serious about using the 8mm PRO fisheye as a rectilinear lens, the in-camera fisheye rectilinear correction setting should only be used as an electronic viewfinder "preview" and you need to save your images as RAW+JPEG. The in-camera rectilinear correction isn't nearly as good as you'll achieve in post-processing. I'd suggest it's useful when you're looking through the viewfinder to frame your shots and, after you've downloaded the RAW+JPEG files to identify which RAW image you want to put through rectilinear post-processing. Just treat those JPEGs as a rough-and-ready visual guide. Rick
So very interesting, thanks Rob. I have the Rokinon 7.5mm f/3.5 fisheye lens, and love it. Would, however, be great to have the option to de-fish in post- processing, like you described in this video for the Olympus lens. I think that LightRoom can do it for the Rokinon lens, but am not 100% sure since I don't have LR. Cheers.
i can't understand people who are buying a fisheye and then defish the image? makes no sense.. if you want to use a fisheye but you don't like the fisheye look then don't buy a fisheye
Just bought it 💪 time to learn new photography 😊 and I'm looking forward for next aurora season to start 😅
Lots of nice, only found in use info........... nice to know beforehand! Thanks Rob!
Thanks. I've been using this lens in my pro work now and developed a new workflow in Lightroom. Will share soon.
Am new to MFT, most primes are excellent and good value compared with other formats.
However, I am very keen on landscape images. The cropping factor appears to make it difficult to get a wide landscape focal length.
Yes, I have looked at the available lens, but am a little put off by the cost of the Pro wide angle zoom. Own several excellent Samyang wide angle primes (manual focus) but looking for zoom in Olympus.
Any prime/ zoom suggestions, prefer, but don't have to be Olympus.
Thanks in advance.
I hear the Oly 9-18 is excellent, but you're probably better off with the Samyang primes.
i just picked up two new lens cant wait to try them 7 14mm f2.8 ,40 150mm f2.8 on end of Fyear sales for a steal. Your video are so informative, like watching them, glad your there to turn too.
Thanks. Those are both great lenses. I got my 8mm for $300 off the list!
Workflow comments are very helpful! Thanks!
Thanks. I try to explain why I do things, even if there are better ways.
Does this lens work on a first generation EM-1? Will a camera firmware upgrade be required?
Yes. Firmware 4.2 added the 8mm fisheye pro along with several other lenses. We are up to 4.6 now. cs.olympus-imaging.jp/en/support/imsg/digicamera/download/software/firm/e1/
How to acces false color in omdem10mark ii to photography?
It does not have false color capability. You can use highlight and shadow setting in the display menu ->Info Settings->LV-info
Will this fit on om1
Yes!
Great to see how the shots differentiate from one another. nice!
Thanks!
Can someone help me understand the 4x factor for shutter speed that Rob mentioned?
Here's an article by an Olympus user that may help: www.gavtrain.com/?p=3960 I recommend 4x because the pixel pitch of our cameras is very small, so in addition to ibis, a faster shutter speed helps eliminate camera shake.
Thanks for this video, Rob. I love my Olympus 8mm Fisheye Pro, although I do little shooting in JPG. The loss of focus peaking you mention is not that critical with a fisheye because of the greater depth of field.
Thanks. Yes, no big deal on the focus peaking. I find I get better focus using the magnify anyway.
Fisheye can be fixed in lightroom too, right?
Yes, very easily. You just need to select the correct lens profile. I usually pick the sigma fisheye.
On an unrelated note, but from a previous video you made about off camera flash usage.
I am looking for an off camera flash triggered slave flash gun.
Like the SB26.
Does the SB20 have the same functions?
No, the sb20 doesn't have an optical trigger. Nice little flash to use with a flash cable or radio trigger.
@@RobTrek What flash would you recommend with an optical trigger?
Aside from the SB26...
If you don't mind the size, this flash has a very good optical trigger - amzn.to/2Vo5ASe I haven't found a small flash with a good optical trigger.
Thanks
Welcome!
Thought with the amount of real estate work you do, you could find some use for even the Pro wide angle. However, if you are getting by with present glass, perhaps no sense in spending more. Just thought the wide angle zoom, given it's for work use, would give you greater flexibility.
I chose the 8mm f/1.8 fisheye for it's fast aperture. I plan to use it for astrophotography as well. So killing two birds with one stone. I actually have a panasonic 7-14mm f/4, but don't really recommend it for Olympus. It has purple flaring issues.
I love this lens .... and using it very often.
Thanks for your tips.
Thanks. I have been using this lens for my paid work and developed a new work flow since making this video. I may make a video update soon.
Hello Rob,
can you tell me, why so many swear on "M" Mode? Are there any hidden features? "Only if you always use "M" you are a photographer, you know?" I prefer in lots of situations the way you use the aperture priority. Because I can concentrate on the subject and the ISO and shutter is doing exactly that, what I adjusted (limitations). And if i want to bring down or up the exposure, I have the wheel.
Focus on the image, not the gear. Auto features gets the camera out of the way of your vision. Sometimes you need to go beyond what the auto modes will allow, so manual lets you break those boundaries. As you gain more experience, you'll know when the camera auto mode is holding you back and can switch to manual mode. I would imagine most people shooting in manual mode are still using the camera's exposure meter, so it's a bit hypocritical in my opinion to say you're not a photographer unless you shoot in "M".
Hi Rob, thanks for your great in-depth reviews and tutorials ! I own a Lumix G9, a Pen-F and a bunch of m43 lenses, including the Pana 7-14.
I work in commercial real estate, and I'm passionate about storms and lightning photography. Following your initial review, I was very interested in the 8mm 1.8. But the quirks you mention here *are* dealbreakers for me : no raw files workflow for rectilinear pictures, a lot of features (livecomp, etc..) no more accessible..less than my Gopro with a similar FOV. Nearly useless. Hard to swallow at this price point !
Do you know if all this quirks and limitations have been fixed since with the EM1 MkIII or firmware updates ? Thanks !
Hi. If you use Lightroom, you can apply fisheye correction to raw images using the Sigma 8mm fishey lens profile. I then tweak it slightly and save it as a preset. But the in-camera fisheye correction is still jpg only. It's not an ideal workflow in the field when you are composing the shot. I'm waiting for the 8-25mm f/4 lens that might be coming from Olympus for my pro work.. The 8mm will be regulated to astrophotography and toy shots.
Rob Trek thanks Rob. Your review and your findings were very helpful. Did you have the chance to test the Leica 8-18 ?
Thanks for this video Rob. Did you know that you can defish the image in Lightroom, and not make a trip to Olympus Workspace? The trick is to choose a fisheye lens profile in the Lens Correction area of Lightroom. I've found the Sigma 8mm f3.5 lens correction works perfectly. Set this up as as a preset and you can correct the image in one click.
Thanks, David. Yes, I've been doing that for for a while. I also dial in about 115 extra distortion.
I recently got a steal on the 7-14mm pro and after watching your video I am wondering if I should have spent a couple hundred more and bought thee 8mm. Why did you choose the 8mm and not the 7-14mm which would have given you a focal length closer to your preferred 17mm?
I bought the 8mm primarily for my real estate photography and rarely need anything over 8mm. Its also smaller and lighter than the 7-14mm, plus 1.3 stops faster which lends itself to astrophotography as well!
Hi Rob, just a quick question regarding focus peaking, will the peaking work in RAW mode?
No. As long as fisheye correction is on, peaking is off. Easy enough to shoot without the fisheye correction in raw and have peaking, then just correct in Workspace.
@@RobTrek thx again Rob, sorry if my wording was a bit off, I was asking about shooting in RAW (without correction, witch I neglected to specify) and seems like the focus peeking will work then. Thx again
I suppose you could do all your editing to the raw file in Lightroom, and then apply the fisheye correction in Olympus Workspace at the end. Would that be a usefull workflow? That way, you coould take advantage of the raw file editing capabilities in Lightroom. Does that make any sense?
That would be a better way. I've since found a way to correct the fisheye in LR, so I can bypass Workspace altogether.
@@RobTrek Out of curiousity, do the raw files from that lens contain a profile for Lightroom to apply?
I simply use the Sigma 8mm fisheye lens profile, then adjust slightly to get perfect correction.
Good to know. Thanks
Thank you!
Hello Rob...Great video tutorials as allways...! Lens seems very good, compared to others. I sent you a link by mail...Robin uses the camera processor "In" workspace...maybe that will work for the defishing too...? Just a thought. Summer greetings...!
Thanks. It may work but I'm not sure if that will improve the workflow.
Processing in Raw, Robin demonstrates a Huge time improvement over Workspace alone,
in the order of 3 sec to more than 20,
I was hoping you could do Raw defishing, just like in camera...? may be not.
and what about the raw->jpeg...?
Will that change...?
I dont have the em1II, so I cant try it...
but the Em1II sure ticks a lot more boxes now.
Again, TThank You for these videos...That Fisheye is cool.
PS: Do you think the 180 degree angle of view is the diagonal number...?
(Like the focal lenght)
Hey Rob long time no talk
Doesn't Photoshop have a fisheye correction filter called adaptive?
Take your raw file into Camera Raw adjust the colors and then open into photoshop and adjust for lens correction
Photoshop even knows what lens and camera you used
Give it a try
Best regards, Rick
Thanks. Yes, been a long time. I have worked out a new workflow in Lightroom that works. I simply apply sigma 8mm fisheye plus about 107 manual distortion. Works 99% of the time.
If this lens could do everything, which you noticed that it can't do...it would have been the best wide angle lens in the world. In a Micro 4/3 world...that sounds too good to be true. MFT cameras and lenses are very good at many things, but not best at anything, except two things:
1. Image stabilization. It's hard to beat even the em-10 II's IBIS...not to mention the 7.5 stops of IBIS claimed by the em-1 X;
2. No camera system is as small and portable as MFT.
Very interesting upload though. Thanks for mentioning the cons of a lens, which you revered so much just one day ago.
I love the m4/3 system and this lens. But you're right. Nothing is perfect!
th-cam.com/video/YY6plsvoGBo/w-d-xo.html Watch this see why the first 2 point in some case are everything.
180 degrees is across the diagonal, not horizontally. Interesting some people have adapted this lens to full frame cameras to get a true fisheye, like here - th-cam.com/video/_vRJVvdZ608/w-d-xo.html
Definitely, if you're serious about using the 8mm PRO fisheye as a rectilinear lens, the in-camera fisheye rectilinear correction setting should only be used as an electronic viewfinder "preview" and you need to save your images as RAW+JPEG. The in-camera rectilinear correction isn't nearly as good as you'll achieve in post-processing. I'd suggest it's useful when you're looking through the viewfinder to frame your shots and, after you've downloaded the RAW+JPEG files to identify which RAW image you want to put through rectilinear post-processing. Just treat those JPEGs as a rough-and-ready visual guide.
Rick
That's exactly what I do on my paid work. I don't rely on the in-camera correction for critical shots.
Opposite Corners 180°
Thanks. I'm always learning something new! I deleted that part of the video so I pass as little wrong info as possible.
@@RobTrek No problem on that and thank you I've learnt more from your videos!
So very interesting, thanks Rob. I have the Rokinon 7.5mm f/3.5 fisheye lens, and love it. Would, however, be great to have the option to de-fish in post- processing, like you described in this video for the Olympus lens. I think that LightRoom can do it for the Rokinon lens, but am not 100% sure since I don't have LR. Cheers.
Yes, LR fixes the distortion very well.
i can't understand people who are buying a fisheye and then defish the image?
makes no sense.. if you want to use a fisheye but you don't like the fisheye look then don't buy a fisheye
Defishing gives you two lenses in one! The Olympus 8mm f/1.8 is a fast wide angle so some might want to use it as a rectilinear lens.