I agree, but I wouldn't say they lack detail, as such. Games Workshop these days seems to be constantly trying to prove itself, overstuffing miniatures with too many details, which aren't a real substitute for character. Festooning a model with so much stuff that it becomes too busy happens too often for my liking. I feel older miniatures have the right level of detail proportionate to the story the miniature is telling, and it makes those details more meaningful.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Fair point indeed. I suppose the real difference is that these models were made to play a game. Modern GW models are more akin to display pieces, covered as they are with very delicate and easily broken pieces.
Exactly. I saw an interview with Peachy a little while back, and even he was saying how when they were painting armies he would just snip the details off because your rank and file troops didn't need all that stuff on them. I much prefer a nice old slab of metal to push around the table than GW's modern, spidery miniatures. My favourite modern miniatures are the Masters of the Universe ones from Archon Studio, and the Moonstone ones from Goblin King Games. Both ranges really capture all the character and imagination you want, every piece feels balanced, and they are sculpted for playing with.
So fun! I love watching your Oldhammer videos. I didn’t start with GW minis until 1996 so I have only a handful of figures from this older era that have trickled into my collection in the meantime. Always interesting to learn more and see them up close like this. Glad you have some resourceful super-fans to help out.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Nonsense! I'm sure you look fine. I am kicking myself now, my brother had a Chaos Sorcerer model, and he left it to me, but I have no idea what's happen to it! 😰
What a nice chap to send you those! These older models are of course perfect for games such as AH. I bought many of the old metal Skaven models back in the day and as I`m just now revisiting the game I indulged and picked up a few Skaven characters I`d missed back then. Moving on though I`m not going to go too mad with buying old models for the AH articles printed in White Dwarf and the Terror in the Dark supplements. Nice as it would be I fear that if I get started I`ll never stop! Mostly I`ll use the plastic figures from Heroquest and I do own the odd old model or two for the Undead and Chaos. One unit I`m glad I kept are the Chaos Thugs which I used for the missions involving Chaos. Nice video glad you are enjoying your `revisit` so much!
I do use my HeroQuest miniatures for Advanced Heroquest, as they are all period accurate, but I have set myself the challenge of getting one of every miniature shown on Advanced Heroquest unit cards as well as fleshing out mobs with any miniatures from the period. I admit I've only got as far as I have because of generous donations! You are lucky to have kept hold of the chaos thugs. You don't see an awful lot of those these days.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring You`ve set yourself quite a challenge so good luck with it! Yes I`m pleased I hung onto those Chaos Thugs as they play a big part in the Chaos scenarios.
The archers without shield pegs are likely later casts when they were just packed as orc archers in the early 90s (unless you can see they have been cut off). They filled the shield pegs in the moulds at that time and it's a key way to id original Regiments models from later casts when they just stuck them into blisters to increase the ranges. I have several from the 90s run in my 4th ed orc army that came right out of the green blisters. The regiment ogres always had to be on 40mm squares as Forces of Fantasy and later 2nd ed WFB stated recommended base sizes, if you happened to follow them. It was pretty common to have the minis tabbed, even if they needed larger bases and also riders for cav usually had tabs. People tended to use a slotta glued to a wood or beermat base in 40mm with filler on top to level it all out. I've always found the single post for many larger GW minis rather dubious, especially with metal dragons and larger monsters. Golgfag's ogres is one of the most consistently reworked Regiments after Bugman's Rangers. The 1998 ones are also great, while the 2011 ones are a modeling abomination. I've got a half dozen of the '84 ones in a jar of Dettol right now. I rather like the old school style of the originals, though you know I'm buying lots of the first version regiments for 1st ed WFB now. Incidentally, GW was inconsistent with Golfag or Golgfag in print and I'm sure there's some inside joke with regard to the name that no one has figured out yet.
Funny you should mention the spelling inconsistency with Golfag, as I mentioned that in an Instagram post earlier today when I shared an image of the trooper. Could just be GW's standard eye for detail. I will have to take your word on it for the bases. My research (including on Stuff of Legends) tells me that the tabbed ogres were originally released with 25mm bases. For the archer pegs - it looks like they might have been sawn off, but it's hard to tell.
Ah, sorry. I misunderstood. I thought you meant they were always packaged with the 40mm bases. By the way, the ogre champion from the monsters set in this video isn't on a proper 40mm bases. It's a piece of solid plastic cut to size.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoringI sort of figured you had missed a line in the prior post about the bases. Yeah, that's pretty normal about sheet plastic bases. I used to have trouble even in the 90s getting the GW 40mm bases without direct order from them, and that was problematic before I had credit cars and debit cards. Heck, they are a pain to find now too! I'm having the same sort of issues now with regard to bases with the pre-slotta guys I'm messing with. I mounted some dwarves on 20mm square laser cut ply and textured the bases up to the moulded on base. It looks ok but won't match well with later GW stuff on slottas. I'm not sure that's really an issue though, since many of the really old minis are smaller and closer to true 28mm or 25mm to start. With the chaos warriors/knights, I found some bases from EM4 that are 25mm square and recessed on top with a similar outer edge angle to GW slottas. They match up better, but then I can't find 20mm that are the same style and none of the ply mounted would then match. With 40mm I think laser cut ply is about the only option. Maybe I'm overthinking that all far too much?
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These models may lack detail, but they are full of character. 80s and 90s era gaming was a golden age where things were simpler and happier.
I agree, but I wouldn't say they lack detail, as such. Games Workshop these days seems to be constantly trying to prove itself, overstuffing miniatures with too many details, which aren't a real substitute for character. Festooning a model with so much stuff that it becomes too busy happens too often for my liking. I feel older miniatures have the right level of detail proportionate to the story the miniature is telling, and it makes those details more meaningful.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Fair point indeed. I suppose the real difference is that these models were made to play a game. Modern GW models are more akin to display pieces, covered as they are with very delicate and easily broken pieces.
Exactly. I saw an interview with Peachy a little while back, and even he was saying how when they were painting armies he would just snip the details off because your rank and file troops didn't need all that stuff on them.
I much prefer a nice old slab of metal to push around the table than GW's modern, spidery miniatures. My favourite modern miniatures are the Masters of the Universe ones from Archon Studio, and the Moonstone ones from Goblin King Games. Both ranges really capture all the character and imagination you want, every piece feels balanced, and they are sculpted for playing with.
It was a golden age! 👍
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring agreed!
So fun! I love watching your Oldhammer videos. I didn’t start with GW minis until 1996 so I have only a handful of figures from this older era that have trickled into my collection in the meantime. Always interesting to learn more and see them up close like this. Glad you have some resourceful super-fans to help out.
I'm glad you like them. I am incredibly lucky to have such amazing support from everybody who watches the channel.
All these years and they are still fearsome foes! Well worth inclusion in your collection!
They are definitely looking better for their age than I am!
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Nonsense! I'm sure you look fine.
I am kicking myself now, my brother had a Chaos Sorcerer model, and he left it to me, but I have no idea what's happen to it! 😰
That sucks. Hopefully one day you will stumble across it in a box somewhere in the attic. It will be a nice surprise.
Appreciate the trip down memory lane! There is certainly a lot to be said for 1-piece models with such a great amount of character. Great stuff
Yeah, I do love a nice chunk of metal. Thanks for watching.
A very generous gift with some pure Oldhammer models mate. Well done
Looking forward to seeing that Librarian sorting out the chaos and dishing out the harsh glares!
You can guarantee those hybrids have not been using the microfiche correctly.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring No one ever used the microfiche correctly.
Awesome, you have so much love for the game.
Thanks for watching. I think at their heart, board games are just sets of rules to tell stories. Advanced Heroquest tells some great ones.
What a nice chap to send you those! These older models are of course perfect for games such as AH. I bought many of the old metal Skaven models back in the day and as I`m just now revisiting the game I indulged and picked up a few Skaven characters I`d missed back then. Moving on though I`m not going to go too mad with buying old models for the AH articles printed in White Dwarf and the Terror in the Dark supplements. Nice as it would be I fear that if I get started I`ll never stop! Mostly I`ll use the plastic figures from Heroquest and I do own the odd old model or two for the Undead and Chaos. One unit I`m glad I kept are the Chaos Thugs which I used for the missions involving Chaos. Nice video glad you are enjoying your `revisit` so much!
I do use my HeroQuest miniatures for Advanced Heroquest, as they are all period accurate, but I have set myself the challenge of getting one of every miniature shown on Advanced Heroquest unit cards as well as fleshing out mobs with any miniatures from the period. I admit I've only got as far as I have because of generous donations!
You are lucky to have kept hold of the chaos thugs. You don't see an awful lot of those these days.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring You`ve set yourself quite a challenge so good luck with it! Yes I`m pleased I hung onto those Chaos Thugs as they play a big part in the Chaos scenarios.
@@SJHUE Dungeons of the Priests of Pleasure from White Dwarf has tables entirely filled with chaos thugs, so you are well set for that!
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yes I know lol!
The archers without shield pegs are likely later casts when they were just packed as orc archers in the early 90s (unless you can see they have been cut off). They filled the shield pegs in the moulds at that time and it's a key way to id original Regiments models from later casts when they just stuck them into blisters to increase the ranges. I have several from the 90s run in my 4th ed orc army that came right out of the green blisters.
The regiment ogres always had to be on 40mm squares as Forces of Fantasy and later 2nd ed WFB stated recommended base sizes, if you happened to follow them. It was pretty common to have the minis tabbed, even if they needed larger bases and also riders for cav usually had tabs. People tended to use a slotta glued to a wood or beermat base in 40mm with filler on top to level it all out. I've always found the single post for many larger GW minis rather dubious, especially with metal dragons and larger monsters.
Golgfag's ogres is one of the most consistently reworked Regiments after Bugman's Rangers. The 1998 ones are also great, while the 2011 ones are a modeling abomination. I've got a half dozen of the '84 ones in a jar of Dettol right now. I rather like the old school style of the originals, though you know I'm buying lots of the first version regiments for 1st ed WFB now.
Incidentally, GW was inconsistent with Golfag or Golgfag in print and I'm sure there's some inside joke with regard to the name that no one has figured out yet.
Funny you should mention the spelling inconsistency with Golfag, as I mentioned that in an Instagram post earlier today when I shared an image of the trooper. Could just be GW's standard eye for detail.
I will have to take your word on it for the bases. My research (including on Stuff of Legends) tells me that the tabbed ogres were originally released with 25mm bases.
For the archer pegs - it looks like they might have been sawn off, but it's hard to tell.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring They were released with 25mm. The rules and army lists specified that they needed 40mm.
GW still makes a brown paint called Golgfag too.
Ah, sorry. I misunderstood. I thought you meant they were always packaged with the 40mm bases.
By the way, the ogre champion from the monsters set in this video isn't on a proper 40mm bases. It's a piece of solid plastic cut to size.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoringI sort of figured you had missed a line in the prior post about the bases.
Yeah, that's pretty normal about sheet plastic bases. I used to have trouble even in the 90s getting the GW 40mm bases without direct order from them, and that was problematic before I had credit cars and debit cards. Heck, they are a pain to find now too!
I'm having the same sort of issues now with regard to bases with the pre-slotta guys I'm messing with.
I mounted some dwarves on 20mm square laser cut ply and textured the bases up to the moulded on base. It looks ok but won't match well with later GW stuff on slottas. I'm not sure that's really an issue though, since many of the really old minis are smaller and closer to true 28mm or 25mm to start.
With the chaos warriors/knights, I found some bases from EM4 that are 25mm square and recessed on top with a similar outer edge angle to GW slottas. They match up better, but then I can't find 20mm that are the same style and none of the ply mounted would then match.
With 40mm I think laser cut ply is about the only option.
Maybe I'm overthinking that all far too much?
I do like those original Space Hulk librarians. Go on - give him a quick going over with some Macragge blue!
They're really cool. He may change alignment as the campaign progresses!
I love your videos man, you are an inspiration for me
Thank you so much. That's very kind of you to say.
I hope to see a game walk through with the minis soon
I am still working on painting up Advanced Heroquest stuff in preparation for another playthrough.
A great collection of minis!!!
Some really fun ones in this collection, especially the ogre champion.
Wait, Preston as in Preston Lancashire? I am not that far. I'll check them out.
Brilliant models! ❤👍
enjoyed.
I'm glad you liked the video. Thank you for watching.