How I Harvest Fallen Trees
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2023
- This pine tree blew over in the back of our property during a summer storm. I need some more siding for my solar kiln so I decided to haul some of these logs up the hill and get them to the sawmill before winter.
-Equipment-
Woodland Mills HM130max
Logrite Fetching Arch
Logrite ATV Arch
-WVWoodGoods-
I've created an Etsy shop to sell home goods crafted from wood harvested from our property. wvwoodgoods.etsy.com
Please don’t place your self in the line the clamp on the log coming off, that much tension on the cable would harm you greatly.😢
Yes, this is a danger I didn't consider. Lesson learned. Thank you
Yeah.
What a nice safety demonstration. The usage of PPE while using the chainsaw is impeccable, couldn't have done it any better!
I use chaps when there is poor footing and for extended use where you may lose focus. The weight of the logs are the most dangerous part, not gonna lose focus while I'm making those 3 cuts. Safety is not binary
@@makingawesome8730 True, safety is not binary, because there will never be absolute safety.
And I wonder how many people already have been saying "I won't lose focus while making those 3 cuts" right before they said "I need an ambulance". I recently bought a new pair of cut protection pants. You know what the sales guy said? There's many people happily buying those AFTER the accident happened.
Anyway, I think, you're lacking a lot of experience, cause you're reducing it all to the chaps while you're also missing a visor, and don't seem to have any hearing protection...
But hey, it's your limbs, you can do whatever you like. Still it would be better not to present it to the world and plant ideas to other peopel's heads that safety gear is unnecessary...
I always wear earplugs. Glasses and a squint block any chips with enough energy to travel in a straight trajectory. Visor limits your vision and even your hearing. Every minor movement of the visor strapped to your head makes noise you can feel in your skull. I'd much rather hear the pops of the tree I'm working on and have unimpeded peripheral vision @@smurface549
@@makingawesome8730 Absolute false. Branches falling wile cutting are a very common risk, one of the few that PPE can help mitigate. Wear a helmet, do yourself a favor.
@mat650 This tree was already blown over....Dead branches falling are dangerous, I leave those trees for the woodpeckers with exceptions when I know the tree just died recently and it's not rotted yet
Inspirational logging work, video capture, editing and presentation. Very well done mate. This demonstrates that hard work, even solo, can produce an excellent product.
You got stock footage to sell for a beer commercial. Very satisfying to see the skill needed to pull this off.
Thanks for the kind words! I didn't expect this to do so well. In the future I'm paying more attention to trying not to film in the middle of the day when the lighting is so harsh
I must add these log arches have been around for over 100 years when mules or oxen pick up one end of the log and it became 10 times easier to move them.. The one end suspension also prevents ruts that create erosion.. Some of the old arches were over 10 high and with wooden wheels.. Later when dozers came on the scene the rubber tires were refitted on the arches.. I have still seen them..the old ones employed by smaller dozers in the mid 1990’s with great efficiency.. Keep going you are doing right.. ☺️👍. I must also add this man is salvaging a downed tree.. which decreases the fuel build up on the forest floor.. Salvage sales were a great act in the national forests 35 years ago after beetle infestations, fires or blown down from heavy winds.. Nodays these trees rot and add to huge fuel build up that cause fires to burn hotter, longer and larger than ever before.. I salute you sir for your genuinely great work.. 👍☺️
Thanks for the kind words Terry, my favorite comment yet! It's amazing the different opinions people have about something like this.
@@makingawesome8730 well many are just nuts.. But doing what you do is great and pinch yourself.. sir you are.. amazing.. I wish I was able to help and bring the dead logs to you.. be well.. years ago I set up house log sales where big draft horses pulled the logs out of the forest.. We were attempting to take out weak trees and provide fiber to folks in this industry.. building houses with trimmed logs.. I used to put on 10-20 miles a day out hiking and setting up sales in the national forests.. When a few trees were dead we added a few that were weak and sold the sale.. It was a win win where a small business continued and cleanup the Forest.. I worked on over 9 different forests in the west and one in the east.. So much to do.. keeping the forests healthy.. While here on the Eldorado a bark beetle infested the forest in 1986.. Soon the populations exploded and in the high Sierras red fir is about 90-95% . the bugs were active and we salvage them.. in a few months were found indicator in the tops of trees. Looked like Karo syrup running down. I started putting dates on trees I thought were dead. And sure enough they were from indicator.. I put up,a sale that was about 4 million bf of dead trees in a large area.. At the end we took over 45 million board feet of dead trees to market.. California was under a 6 year drought.. but we took out the dead.. and prevent fires too in the long run.. Keep forest dry of dead trees is very important as you do here.. keep it up.. thanks
This is the work that develops a real man.
Greetings from Poland.
Thank you from WV
I’m not the only one who does things the hard way. When you’re dumb, you gotta be tough 🙂💪
Or just short on funds
You should start a separate channel of how to respond to criticism in comment sections. I was struck as well by the lack of certain safety precautions so naturally I looked through the comments to see what the response would be to others who voiced similar concerns. You put on an absolute masterclass in explaining why you do what you do as well as taking advice when it seemed applicable. Well done.
Thanks very much, this comment makes me feel better. I try to reply to everyone concisely and professionally, but I still second guess myself and wonder if I said the right thing. Trying to keep my replies short and not type out a long detailed rebuttal is difficult sometimes
if you got a bank loan to purchase some wood hauling and sawing equipment, you'd be further along in your journey, but you probably wouldn't have developed the character you already have. I admire your work ethic, young man!
Thanks for the kind words! The goal is to be debt free with minimal expenses so I can make a living from my woodshop. I do plan to get some more equipment, but I'll pay cash.
@@makingawesome8730 Maybe invest in some PPE up front !
@@makingawesome8730You've got it figured out, some people never do.
No this is where a harbor freight winch comes in handy
Nice pine log. Where are you?
Guess I'd always assumed that a log arch would be hitched to the tow vehicle. Really interesting to see that modular arch that can be disconnected for remote retrievals in this video! I also have one of those More Power Pullers...such a handy tool for so many things.
They call the version that is meant to be winched up a hill the 'Fetching Arch'
Nice work considering you are working alone. Go to the junkyard and get an old car hood to do the initial skid up the hill. Sometimes you need to attach the front of the log to your car hood skid. A couple 2 inch hole saw holes makes it where you can run a chain through the car hood to attach to the log if it’s coming off.
I like that idea. I've looked into skidding cones but most of them are too small
You're growing a good life!
Thanks Roger, I work on it every single day! Constantly bouncing back and forth between feeling grateful for what we have and impatient for not being able to get more things done faster.
Quite the undertaking! That was a large log and in a nasty spot! Great Job!
Thanks Mike! I've harvested maybe 50 logs off our property over the last 3 years and this one was the most difficult to get to so far. I've got some farther down in the valleys too but I'm waiting for a gas winch to tackle them
my mother lives in an area where you still see the old countrymen , with the oxen joint doing the job,for reasonable prices.
In the Southamerican patagonia....It makes you feel so alive when you join with them in this simple experiences.
Always impressive and humbling when I think about how people used to work without motorized equipment
THANKS FOR THE LAUGH OF MY DAY. WHAT NOT TO DO. LIVE AND LEARN.
And its still early, sounds like your off to a great start!
@@makingawesome8730 Commented about how great your responses have been to all the criticism. This one takes the cake! Perfect way to handle this.
Keep at it, you'll keep finding easier ways as you gain more experience. Good luck to you.
Thanks! Most people think its silly to work so hard for a single log but I'm trying to show that even without heavy equipment you can harvest logs and make a good profit as long as you do the whole process from log to finished sellable product. If I sold a big oak log to a mill I'd make $100. If I turn that log into Christmas ornaments on my CNC that log is now worth $2,000.
Nice work. I would also recommend a block and tackle system with a "scoop" to cover the front of the log when dragging up hill. I've seen thick plastic barrels slipped over the end to help the logs glide over ground. And if you are feeling rich check out "line pull winches" they are similar to a "come along" but work longer distances easier.
I've not seen these line pull winches before, I'm going to look into them. I plan on buying a tractor and getting a pto forestry winch and also a portable gas powered rope winch for stuff farther from the trails.
I second the snatch block, it will make changing pull directions so much easier.
Here's a new subscriber for your hard work buddy. I really appreciate this kinda work. Keep it up!!
Thanks! I've got a couple more projects on the way
Outstanding. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching! I never expected so many people to see this
Very nicely done.
Thank you Clint!
I use 3 blocks and a long 5/16” cable to pull logs. The Kubota could pull it easily when doubling up blocks. 😊
I'll have to test it out. Most logs I've been able to drive right up to or have fallen above the trail so its easy enough to get them downhill onto the trail where I can back right over top of them. I do have a couple more logs down some steeper slopes I need to harvest before they rot too bad
Dang! A few more of these trees, and you'll start to put on some muscle.😀
Afraid not, my body doesn't bulk up with fat or muscle. Farmer strength is no joke tho
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What a great job with all of that - not easy doing that alone!
Thanks! Not easy, but still enjoyable
Some Logrite gear, love their stuff!
Agreed. If it was stolen I'd buy it again tomorrow. Paid for itself many times over
Outstanding!
Thanks! More on the way
Some day this kid will rule the world!
I'll be content to just make a living from my woodshop
Please get some chaps. $100 to save 100 stitches.
I've got some, wore them for a year while I was learning and I still wear them when there is poor footing.
Read my mind. I was thinking, “safety nerd here. Please get some safety equip when using that chain saw”. You say you have the gear so I’d use it. Sometimes, there’s no going back.
Edit: Oh and BTW, nice music choices. 👍🏻
Huge tip!! Find an old tungsten tipped saw blade, stick it on your brush cutter! You are then not leaving plastic all over the country! It is FAR quicker and yes if you hit a rock you might lose a tooth---- but if you try it you'll never go back to string, except for in and around piles of rocks!
I'm actually using the metal cutting disc they sell for tall grass and it works fantastic! It came with a disc with smaller hook like teeth you sharpen with a round file and it was meant for wood....it was terrible. Couldn't cut through anything. This grass blade has larger flat teeth that chomp right through Autumn Olive
Block and tackle setup and some ingenuity with your kubota would make life way easier friend.
Ha, I've been told once or twice. I do have a handful of snatch blocks. I used them 2 weekends ago to pull down a pine tree I felled that got hung up half way to the ground. I find setting up the long ropes tedious (maybe because I don't do it often) so I decided to just go without
Nice have fun thanks
Thanks Jim!
Very nice
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Thanks! I'm doing another today. Pinched saw and double hangup
Good work Brother, I would like to voice a little advice though. Kickback is real and happens in a instant. Try not to use the tip of the blade when cutting. I say this not to knock you but to make sure you are around longer as we need good young men in society who - are men.
I appreciate the genuine concern. I don't cut with the very tip because yes, its impossible to prevent it from running up the log...but even if you do you'd have to be holding the saw like a wet noodle for it to travel all the way up to my face. When I experience kickback the saw never jumps up more than 6"
My suggestion would be you study compression and tension as it pertains to cutting logs lying on the ground. Carry on sir.
Definitely still something I'm misjudging on some logs. It didn't help that I had lost all my wedges, recently bought more.
Tigercat makes some awesome log pulling devices ...just sayn
Not interested in equipment that big. I'll be buying rope fed gas powered winch, a 50hp tractor, and a Wallenstein forestry winch in the next 2 years
@@makingawesome8730 buy a mule then ..way cheaper and can grow it's food ..I can get mules all day for less than 350 bucks
Stop lecturing this kid about safety it's obvious that he's TOTALLY independent and knows how to weigh risks to keep himself moving forward and most likely doesn't have extra money for expensive chaps. You can tell every step in every task he tackles is meticulously thought out. This is so great to see, young people WILLING to take care of themselves with help from NOBODY! THANKS KID
Ive only tried to explain that I'm not being dismissive and I think their fear is misplaced. I want advice from anyone with knowledge to share
Go to Harbor freight or Northern tools and get you a good quality cable which that you can mount to your trailer hitch point for pulling the logs out of the woods to the road, you might want to get some extra cable with eyelets on both ends for the longer pulls
Yes I agree I need an upgrade. I think my next purchase (after our new wood stove and new roof) will be a portable gas powered winch so I can access logs that are nowhere near a trail. Thanks for watching!
Stay away from Harbor Freight crap.
I don't buy their standard power tools, but I've got their post hole digger auger which always starts up in 3 pulls and their chain hoists have never let me down
Sure is a lotta hardware to keep one fella employed!
Just need a tractor, pto logging winch, portable gas winch, full size jointer, and a bandsaw and I'm all set
You think about it, but I think if you had a short, fat wheel and tire that you could attach to the end of the handle on your arch, and you fastened your cable or rope back down the handle a ways, that would stabilize the whole thing some. Then it would be easier to pull up the hill through a snatch block or with a cat head. It would put a little weight on the third wheel so the handle wouldn’t jump up. Good luck and take care.
Interesting. I've had another idea that isn't fully formed yet that maybe could pair with your suggestion. A MTB channel I used to watch modified a wheelbarrow for building trails by sticking a mountain bike wheel in the front so they can use the disc brake and prevent the wheelbarrow from running away while trying to push it downhill.
I don’t know about brakes, but you may or may not want to make the added wheel swivel, whichever works better. Adding a third wheel should allow you to hook your tongs further back on the log, so that it doesn’t drag so much. Whatever you fabricate, build it so you can pin it to the arch frame, so it’s a removable accessory. It’s tough to work single handed, so you have to work smarter, not harder. Be careful out there. Make sure somebody knows where you will be working. Always keep a loud whistle on you, like pro loggers. Make your own conditions. Take care.
.....nice.
Thanks!
Don’t be so afraid to stand next to the log you’re bucking! Get closer, use the dogs on your saw and stop cutting with just the tip. Using the back end of the bar as much as possible…not only is safer, it also saves strength in your arms!
I donno man...I'm not just cutting off firewood rounds, I can't get a 1000lb log off my foot
@@makingawesome8730 I didn’t say put your foot under it, I said stand closer. It’s obvious from the way you’re standing that you’re not very experienced/comfortable running a saw, so you might want to put some extra thought into what you’re doing.
Whatever man, I'm plenty comfortable with my saws when I'm cutting things that can't crush me. If I'm gonna get hurt its gonna be from misjudging how a log settles, not from kickback. @@johns3106
Obviously a very heavy log section. I am assuming you are going to get all of them you cut. Looks like some great wood slabs... Thumbs Up!
Correct, I've hauled 2.5 logs out so far and next time I need pine I'll go get another. I'm planning to make about 50 bird houses from the bottom 2 logs of that tree
Seems like you could dig a trench and put your mill in it such that the bed is nearly even with the ground. Then have some stickers off the side that bring it up even with the bed and keep the logs out if the dirt.
It would eliminate all the lifting effort.
True, loading logs would be super convenient if my bed was even with the ground. But lower to the ground requires more bending for picking up the boards, looking down line of sight of the blade, adjusting log stops, clamps, etc. The chain hoists do take time, but not so much effort
Well done for shear determination in getting that log up the hill.
Is something like the Eder Powerwinch available in the states? Your body will thank you in about 20 years.
Yes, something like that is on my shopping list. This is the most tedious log I've harvested so far, they arent notmally that difficult. If they all required that much winching I'd have prioritized a gas winch already. I've got a couple really nice white oaks blown down in the valleys I'm not going to attempt until I get a gas winch. Thanks!
@@makingawesome8730 If the oaks are still attached to their root plates, and some of the roots are in the ground, then they will keep until you can extract them.
I would be interested to see what white oak timber looks like, white oak doesn't grow in west Wales.
@TheHairyFool My next project is a shelter for air drying lumber by the mill. I'll be using smaller white oak logs to make the support posts to hold up the roof. I've already collected all the oak and a 16.5' pine log to make the joists. White oak is the most rot resistant wood I have here
Wrap that thumb mate when running saw. great video btw
Thanks! I don't understand about wrapping my thumb tho
Very nice job. Sounds like you understand the hows and whats. So much good work for such a young guy. I saw you got some negs about PPE. You had the ears covered with the plugs. Ear muffs may offer slightly better protection when used with ear plugs. You will get about 20% more dB protection when using both. You have a long time to go to use the ears. You are correct that the glasses should shield the chips from the eyes. I hate chaps and unfortunately use them only on extended cutting jobs. I would have done exactly what you did. Not saying that is the safe way, but, you had solid footing, the log was contained, the saw was very sharp. Do get a set of chaps though. They are one of those things that you want to have that never get put to the test. I totally agree with your approach that just doing it the hard way is quicker and sometimes more satisfying than taking time for a technical pulling solution. Really enjoyed the video. How long do you allow to dry before using the lumber?
I've got chaps and I wore them for the first year we moved to our property. Had a year off from work so I was out re-claiming the trails, learning the sawmill, collecting firewood, using chainsaws almost every day. I think everyone should wear them in the beginning but once you understand the physics its more of a case by case judgement and not a black and white rule. For the lumber its different every time. Pine dries faster than the 1year per inch rule. Mostly I just use pine for framing materials and I'll just build with it green. For things I sell I won't use green lumber. If I were building fine oak kitchen tables then I'd have to worry about getting totally dry, but if your making it into Christmas ornaments it doesn't seem to matter if they aren't totally dry yet in the core. 1/4" oak planks for birdhouses on the laser cutter air dries in the barn within a couple months. 1.25" thick oak in the solar kiln is dry enough to work with in a few months. Its a brand new kiln and its not even complete so I really don't know what its capable of yet. I also air dried some 2.25" Red Oak slabs for over 2.5 years
I want chaps mainly to stop wood chips filling my boots. LOL. At the moment I've adapted a pair of lightweight wind-proof sports pants called "shells". They are baggy to fit over clothing and slide easily over boots. Even big winter boots. Convenient for donning before snow-blowing. They don't warm you up in the summer either.
@slowfinger2 This is why I don't wear any boots with patting around the top. My jeans must be able to cover my boot tops. It sucks because rubber boots are so much better for preventing ticks. But I hate getting debris in my boots.
I've been in that same situation, it's no fun to crank on that come a long.
Better than paying to use a rowing machine at a crowded gym though. It also helps that each of those logs is worth $500-$1000 if I turn it into sellable products
The guy looks like a city boy who went to the country and is now playing fantasy logger games.
Its what all the city boys dream of these days
And he's working hard and learning, I see no issue here.
Figuring out how to get a huge log up a hill like that with limited equipment is exactly the kind of problem I love trying to solve. I'd probably get a 12 volt winch or something though. That manual ratcheting one gets boring really quick.
Most of my logs have not been this difficult to get to but I agree, I've got plans to get some more equipment. Still....if I wasn't trying to film the process I could have got each log in about an hour and I can profit $500-$800 per log after shipping/packaging/etsy expenses. Not too bad I think
@@makingawesome8730 That's really cool man. Love what you're doing there
Roll the log onto smaller roller logs first. I do this same stuff at my land.
I've used 4-5"ish log sections as rollers before, but only when I can position them while the tree is still suspended. I've not considered using smaller rollers that I could still roll the big log on top of even if its already on the ground. I've recently made a table saw dowel jig, maybe I'll keep a couple 1.5" oak dowels in the Kuboda. I also need to do better about keeping a couple wedge shaped firewood pieces to use as tire blocks. Sucks when the arch wants to roll down hill or when I have to park on a steep hill.
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Nice work, I like that log arch. Why buck the log with a plunge cut though?
I caught myself doing a plunge cut this last weekend too. No reason in particular, I guess I just tend to do them when the log is large enough
@@makingawesome8730 I did a little searching and some people seem to like the plunge cut for bucking to avoid pinching the bar.
I would save up and buy a used mini excavator, or a skid loader. Looks like that would make your live much easier
I'm saving up for a new tractor. Logging winches for rear PTOs allow for remote control where I've never seen a logging winch for the front of a skid loader that can be operated remotely. Maybe they do exist and I'd love to have a skid loader for the maneuverability and lift capacity, but I'm no mechanic so I want new equipment.
Great video, what kind of 4x4 is it you use to haul the trees?
Kuboda RTV 900 with tires that could be replaced
@@makingawesome8730Thanks, that RTV looks good for the purpose
Snatch blocks. Give yourself some mechanical advantage.
Twice as easy, but also half the distance moved per pull. I do have a log in mind that is down a steep ravine and I plan to use snatch blocks and see if I can pull it up or not. Maybe too dangerous to cut that tree because no good footing
Nice pine log. Where you located?
Wild and Wonderful WV
Vraiment un débutant,
Imaginez ce que j'accomplirai quand j'aurai plus d'expérience. Mon entreprise se développe beaucoup plus vite que je ne l'aurais imaginé
@@makingawesome8730 c'est sûr ; en partant d'aussi bas ! Vas donc voir dans ton entourage si il n'y aurais pas une personne un peu plus âgée qui pourrait te donner quelques bonnes méthodes de travail . Visiblement si tu continue de cette manière tu sera estropié avant longtemps,... je te le souhaite pas ...mais tu te dirige invariablement vers une catastrophe.
If he wants to. of course.
Thanks Tim!
Set up a block and tackle and use that atv
Snatch blocks are tedious, sometimes I'd rather just work the rowing machine for 10 extra minutes. Pulling a whole tree requires blocks, moving a single log 10ft not so much
You should invest in a good yard horse
Interesting, I've never heard of them until now.....Looks like a nice toy but the next big toy I buy will be a regular tractor. Maybe less pulling power, but I need a front loader and access to PTO implements. Have you seen the Wallenstein forestry winches? Also really looking forward to getting the Woodland Mills PTO wood chipper.
That log just beat your arse boy,, lol
Pssht...That log had his buddies with him and I winched all their asses
A question; Was the tree on your land or does anyone who goes into the forest take what they need...?
In Italy, in the forest, it is not possible to freely cut down tall trees!
The tree was on my property. It is not permitted to cut down trees from government owned land. This tree was already blown over from a storm, but I am legally allowed to cut down any of the trees on my own property without permission from the government. If you live in a city then its common that there are more rules and you have to get permission to remove trees or even to dig a trench to install a water line too close to a mature tree to prevent damage that would kill it. Every state/city may have different rules.
i know there are rocks and dirt you could come back farther on the stump
You got me thinking....now that the bulk of the weight has been removed I bet I can winch the whole root ball back into the hole and then I could harvest the entire stump
You sir need a skidder
You mean a skidding cone or the heavy equipment?
One draft horse and you could haul all those logs in a tenth of the time and still not tear up the terrain.
If i start buying farm animals my farm chores would more than double and I lose free time. I'd have to worry about their health. I'd have to build perimeter fencing. I'd have to buy their food cuz we dont have much pasture. Buying 1 animal is cruel so I'd need at least 2. The animals would have to be my first priority every morning....I'd much rather just wait 2 years and buy a tractor
I appreciate the hard work but when you add the price of the Kubota, the arch, the come- along, etc are you not at the price of a small used tractor with a grapple?
Probably so. The Kuboda was inherited so I didn't buy that. I'm no mechanic so I don't want a used tractor, I'm saving for new. The log arch would be required for my trails/terrain even if I had a tractor with a grapple.
You hit your steel wedge with the chain saw.
Steel wedge? I can never find wedges when I'm loading up so usually make due without any. Sometimes I'll use my hatchet I keep in the kuboda but I don't remember doing it for this particular tree...and I don't think I've ever hit it when I do
I would make a kickstand for the neck of that thing with just a v nothed 2x just so you don't have to fight it so much
Good idea. Most times I don't use the 'fetching' arch style of the arch because I've been lucky enough most trees seem to blow over close to trails where I can drive right up to them or just pull them downhill onto the trail. Dealing with the fetching arch aspect is definitely more difficult to work with
@@makingawesome8730 You could alwyas go with a gas powered winch and a snatch block too but I use it for much smaller lumber in in Alaska than you are working with. Wish I had one of those arches though lol
Such patience. I’m not worthy.
I enjoy this work and don't feel rushed while in the woods.....but I need to build a shelter for air drying lumber, make more product because I'm sold out, pour more concrete pads in my garage, finish the solar kiln, design more sellable products, dry more lumber, learn 3d engraving on the CNC, do more tests in general on the CNC, build a new chicken coop, restore the garden, install the chimney for our new wood stove, fix the cutting deck on the tractor.....Right now I'm sitting at work thinking about how much more I could get done if I could do this wood business full time. I don't feel very patient lol
No trees were murdered in the making of this video!
Except the baby trees from the weed eater but they sprout too close together anyway
Just sub
Thanks!
Cheap electric winch and a deep cell battery that you can recharge, if you got electricity.
Gas winch is on the shopping list. From what I've seen electric winches overheat too easily and I also don't want to deal with dead batteries
Why not use a snatch block and drive the kutbota truck down the hill to pull the log up. Untie and drive back up.
I've experimented some with setting up snatch blocks and if I have to I will... but sometimes I'd rather just row the winch an extra 10min than go through the bother of setting them up. Plus I don't have 1 long rope anymore.
Is there a reason why you are doing what your doing the very hardest way possible
Snatch blocks would have made it 'easier' but it would have taken me longer overall and they weren't needed
What it took you all day to do, you could have done with a cable skidder in about 15 minutes. lol
You need to learn block and tackle pulleys. This is way too much work to get one log out.
Also, get an electric winch.
I have snatch blocks, I find setting them up tedious. I used pulleys last weekend to pull down a hung up tree. I've looked into electric winches, I'm going to get a gas one instead so I don't have to deal with dead batteries and overheating. I could turn a log this size into $700 and I wasn't winching for that long....I don't think it's too much work especially since I'm not doing it daily
if you can afford all that nice gear you can afford some kevlar chaps and hardhat with a face shield, kid. my chaps have several gouges that would each been a visit to the ER. safety first!!!!!
I wear chaps sometimes. Do you not find the helmet/visor is more of a hinderance than a safety feature? If I wasn't wearing glasses I'd have safety glasses on for sure but the visor really limits visibility. I want to be able to hear the log I'm working on, not the sound of the helmet strapped to my head
@@makingawesome8730 I pretty much won't pick up the saw without all the safety gear. Logging is the #1 most dangerous line of work, and it only takes ONE mistake to get dead or worse (and I'm not a full time logger, so it's even more dangerous for me). that saw can kick back right to your head, or swing against your leg with one false move, and you don't always know how the wood is going to move... I'd rather hear my grandkids laughing than the fucking log, so I always wear muffs, too.
Yes logging is dangerous...mostly because of the heavy logs that can kill you or crush you in a single blow. You are dismissive of me wanting to see the log with my peripheral vision and hear it as the tensions start to shift but I think those things are significant. (I wear earplugs). More chainsaw injuries happen to arms than to legs and only 6% of chainsaw injuries require hospitalization. I'm not dismissive of safety by any means, but I'm more worried about the log than the saw. If you can see minor shifts as the log starts to move you won't be surprised by kickback like you will if you are 50% blindfolded.
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Protection??
I own chaps, I wear them when there is poor footing
@@makingawesome8730 You should at least wear chaps, head and ear protection when handling the saw 😏. It would be a pitty if you had to stop making videos. Best of luck!
I always wear earplugs. I think most people advocating for chaps don't know that more chainsaw injuries happen to arms than legs. I also suspect that most injuries are homeowners who only use a saw once every 2 years who feel pressured to make precarious cuts because they must remove a storm damaged tree in the front yard. @@Lars1963Piil
The size of a chainsaw should be chosen as a nice bikini... "As small as possible - but still big enough to cover the important parts"... Or as we say in Sweden: "If your chainsaw never is too small - it is too big."
I would tend to say that for your job a 13" or 15" sword should have been enogh... and much more handy for most other jobs you use the chainsaw for.
A small (new) traktor would cost about the same as an ATV - but still is much mor capable when working in the woods due to hydraulic-lift, its own weight and tools you could connect to the PTO (as a vinch for logging f.e.)
A log-trailer for transporting would safe you many trips - and would provide the advantage that you just could "roll over" the logs onto your sawmill one by one...
The kind of winch you are using does not fit the job and would therefore might become very dangerours in the case the wire breaks... or loosens while working. Check the German "Greifzug" as an example for a hand-winch that would be much more suitable and safe for this kind of job and granting longer life-time to the wire, too.
I have a big saw and a little saw. My little saw is 9" so I used the big one. I'm saving for a tractor and a pto forestry winch and also a gas powered portable rope winch. I am interested in that style winch you suggested, but if I've got the others I'm not sure I need a better manual winch. Thanks!
Stop playing the endless music and let us just hear the sounds of hard work
The reason is because the drone doesn't have a microphone and its too much work to splice in sound effects. I need to get a wireless microphone so I always have audio and not just for the clips recorded on the normal camera.
Coba musik nya di pakai nya selang seling jangan pakai musik pull
Ya, banyak yang harus dipelajari. Saya perlu membuat segmen perkenalan dan mengerjakan audio saya.
Démonstration de ..... Quand on n' a pas les bons outils et la méthode ca prend des heures et des heures
L'exercice est sain. La forêt est paisible. La dette est mauvaise. Je n'ai pas de regrets.
my guy get some safety equipment
I've got the chaps and I wore them for the first year we lived here and I still wear them when there is poor footing.
@@makingawesome8730 👍, stay safe
Get some safety gear man.
I have it. Read the other comments if you want to know my thoughts
You are a problem solver!
Thanks! The tree I started working on this last weekend I think people will call me a moron and not a problem solver....but I'm gonna post it anyway lol
Its true...God does look out for fools.
I have to reply to this to make it go away. Have a wonderful day
I get tired at only looking how you do. There must be a more easy way.A chain around the log and pull it up or so with that vehicle.
Log would dig into the ground, my Kuboda couldn't do it. It would work with snatch blocks...but setting up that rigging is a pain. I'd rather spend some extra time on the rowing machine that fuss with all that rope
This whole thing was painful to watch. So much unnecessary labour, both in pulling the log out in the 1st place to dead lifting the log onto the sawmill deck (rather than rolling the log up ramps using even a modest winch or come-along).
I don't have a forestry winch either, and have harvested lots of logs with my ATV, log arch, wire rope, the winch on the ATV, a peavey and some snatch blocks and slings. You have trees everywhere as pull points. My tiny Kubota BX tractor makes it all easier, but the methods don't really change all that much from what I was doing with just the ATV.
Ramps that are sturdy enough to hold up to a log being drug over them need to be sturdy and yet also movable so the sawmill body can pass. Ramps were my first idea. The chain hoists are not an effort
@@makingawesome8730 my ramps are a couple cedar 5x5s that I cut from small logs. They have a notch which sits on the sawmill guide rail so they don't slip. A loop of cable looped over and then under the log and hooked back to a pull point on the ATV causes the log to roll as it's being pulled by the winch. I've used these to roll a 24" diameter sugar maple log onto the mill which is basically as heavy a log as I'm ever going to ask this mill to cut. And it's not just less effort than lifting- it's safer and faster. That log was far heavier than the forks on my BX tractor can lift.
My thought process at the time was that I didn't want to put that pressure directly on 2 isolated spots of 1 rail. Good to know it doesn't cause you any issues @@spitfireresearchinc.7972
@@makingawesome8730 the mill is well supported underneath and the rails are quite stout as long as you don't put a tremendous amount of force on them by running a piece of machinery into them for instance- got to be careful with loader forks when you get a tractor! Put each ramp near a foot and you'll be fine. The process of rolling a log up onto the mill bed is very gentle.
Si tu veut te batir qqch. tu ferait mieux de te creuser un trou , t'as pas l'air d'avoir plus d'aptitude qu'il faut pour quoi que ce soit d'autre . Ca t'as pas tenté de lire lesmodes d'emploie avant d'utiliser ces outils que tu manipule dangereusement pour ta vie. Ton tracteur aurais put monter facilement cette buche sur cette pente douce ... et
Je n'aurais absolument pas pu conduire mon tracteur sur cette pente, elle est plus raide qu'elle n'en a l'air. La façon dont je l’ai fait n’était pas dangereuse. Si j'avais perdu la traction, la bûche n'aurait pas roulé en descente. L'avant de la bûche aurait simplement été abaissé au sol
What a wasted effort
Do you do this often?
When you could do it with much greater ease.
Buy yourself a couple of pulley's and some small chokers
And use your tractor to pull it out /
You will be surprised at how it works once you figure out how to use them,
Remember never stand in the bite when ussing pulleey's
And if you get enough pulley' you caan multiply your mechanical advantage and pull out the whole tree at once
And with thaat cart or what ever you call it,
If you hook it up just before the balance point, the log's will move much easier.
No I don't do this often. Pulleys are a pain to set up so I went without since they weren't required. Also, I had cut my long rope into pieces after not needing a 150' rope in 2 years. I've recently bought another long rope since making this video though
I can't see how pulley's are a pain,
I've used them all my life,
And only takes a few seconds to set up
Maybe you were not using the correct ones
The ones you want open up to drop the cable or line into them, as well to hook them up to a tree or stump.
They are fast to use.
less than one minute.@@makingawesome8730
The esthetic of stacking the boards in the same shape as the log. 🤌 Do you have to weigh the boards down so they don’t warp as they dry?
I've tried a few different methods. I used to use ratchet straps, now I usually just put some scrap boards on top and maybe some other heavy stuff laying around the barn. Pine/Cedar seems to dry pretty flat but Oak really wants to cup across the center of the tree. Even the oak boards on the bottom of a stack want to cup. For the things I make it doesn't matter much because I can just rip the board in half later leaving me with 2, pretty flat halves.