One other thing to note: heavier vehicles put more wear on the road surface to the fourth power. If EV's are about 50% heavier, its roughly 5 times the amount of wear on the asphalt.
FYI: A Tesla Model Y, the best selling EV, weighs about the same as a Ford Explorer. That’s interesting to learn about the 4th power effect on asphalt wear. Do you have a link to read more about that?
@@colindgrant TH-cam seemed to not like the links to the pdf's in my reply and removed it :/ but you can google "4th power law road construction" In the UK highways construction guidelines it reads "structural wear for pavement design in the UK is taken as being proportional to the 4th power of the axle load". In a more recent study from the Edinburgh University (find it by googling "EV weight road wear university of Edinburgh") it reads; "We find 20-40% additional road wear associated with battery vehicles compared to ICE vehicles; hydrogen leads to a 6% increase. This is overwhelmingly caused by large vehicles - buses, heavy goods vehicles. Smaller vehicles make a negligible contribution. Governmental bodies liable for road maintenance may wish to set weight limits on roads, require additional axles on heavier vehicles, or construct new roads to a higher standard, to decrease road wear." (this is a UK study, small vehicle = compacts)
The Dunning-Kruger podcast. Yes mandates are terrible, no EVs aren’t a silver bullet. But the logic used here is flawed from the beginning (where they tell you how intelligent they are). A couple quick notes: EVs being delivered on diesel trucks doesn’t mean anything. Bikes come over on container ships, so what? Different tech for different uses. All-or-nothing is an imagined requirement. Burning dirty fossil fuels to generate electricity and then transporting to an EV is still cleaner and more efficient than burning petroleum at the vehicle. A quick search will tell you all the reasons why. Extrapolating EV usage and grid capacity by simple multiplication of today is shortsighted. It’s like saying “we don’t have enough horseshoes to build all these conestoga wagons”. Obviously the grid will be adapted, technology and energy markets will evolve to meet demand. Just like there wasn’t a single Texaco station or fuel transport infrastructure for the first ICE vehicle. You would have done better to cite a specific claim and argue against it. But instead this was just typical dead-horse-beating by self appointed gearheads thinking their expertise extends to EVs because there are still four wheels involved.
How DARE you try to make sense! ;) I've been saying for years that cities have rolling black-outs because of a lack of power so what's going to happen when you add EVs? But what do I know...
The lighting on Jon makes him look like he is in a Godfather movie trying to make me an offer I can’t refuse
Texas charges EV owners $200 per year for road maintenance.
One other thing to note: heavier vehicles put more wear on the road surface to the fourth power. If EV's are about 50% heavier, its roughly 5 times the amount of wear on the asphalt.
FYI: A Tesla Model Y, the best selling EV, weighs about the same as a Ford Explorer. That’s interesting to learn about the 4th power effect on asphalt wear. Do you have a link to read more about that?
@@colindgrant TH-cam seemed to not like the links to the pdf's in my reply and removed it :/ but you can google "4th power law road construction"
In the UK highways construction guidelines it reads "structural wear for pavement design in the UK is taken as being proportional to the 4th power of the axle load".
In a more recent study from the Edinburgh University (find it by googling "EV weight road wear university of Edinburgh") it reads; "We find 20-40% additional road wear associated with battery vehicles compared to ICE vehicles; hydrogen leads to a 6% increase. This is overwhelmingly caused by large vehicles - buses, heavy goods vehicles. Smaller vehicles make a negligible contribution. Governmental bodies liable for road maintenance may wish to set weight limits on roads, require additional axles on heavier vehicles, or construct new roads to a higher standard, to decrease road wear." (this is a UK study, small vehicle = compacts)
The Dunning-Kruger podcast.
Yes mandates are terrible, no EVs aren’t a silver bullet. But the logic used here is flawed from the beginning (where they tell you how intelligent they are).
A couple quick notes:
EVs being delivered on diesel trucks doesn’t mean anything. Bikes come over on container ships, so what? Different tech for different uses. All-or-nothing is an imagined requirement.
Burning dirty fossil fuels to generate electricity and then transporting to an EV is still cleaner and more efficient than burning petroleum at the vehicle. A quick search will tell you all the reasons why.
Extrapolating EV usage and grid capacity by simple multiplication of today is shortsighted. It’s like saying “we don’t have enough horseshoes to build all these conestoga wagons”. Obviously the grid will be adapted, technology and energy markets will evolve to meet demand. Just like there wasn’t a single Texaco station or fuel transport infrastructure for the first ICE vehicle.
You would have done better to cite a specific claim and argue against it. But instead this was just typical dead-horse-beating by self appointed gearheads thinking their expertise extends to EVs because there are still four wheels involved.
By the way, the best selling EV, the Tesla Model Y, weighs about the same as a Ford Explorer. Hardly a concrete crusher…
How DARE you try to make sense! ;)
I've been saying for years that cities have rolling black-outs because of a lack of power so what's going to happen when you add EVs?
But what do I know...
Maybe focus on how much profit electricity utilities have made for decades by NOT investing in preventative maintenance for heatwaves and cold spells.
@@toyotaprius79 There is the magic word... profit.