I played yesterday again for one hour - swiftly uninstalled WR again. They clearly want to force Condor / Mauler sells. I don't feel like spending HUNDREDS (probably thousands) for computer bytes right now 😂
Omo me too, I played yesterday and fell asleep, tried again today and unliked my Apple pay, next I am unsubscribing to all war robots TH-camrs once I delete the game. I don’t want to ever see this game again in my youtube feed
The price to keep up with the latest gear is simply unsustainable. I’ve dropped more than I should, but I’m growing tired of being taken advantage of. I can’t imagine what player’s without the wallet to keep up must think. Pixonic is not thinking this through, and they will end up with a dead fanbase.
I almost a free to play Player. Some bots a go the other way and go for beacons. That than the only way to win. Yes i win some matchen. In the begin I hoop that i have a pay to play Player in mine team. But now i les people in game that pay to win than last year 2023.
😂cuz u only need 1 meta bot to be pixonics skilless troll that pays to ruin matches and be a,troll just so they can feel good at something. They are good at something. Good at being pixonics skilless trolls😅🤓.
@@earthelucidatorthe word is 'sucker' and 'stu***d'. Regardless of how wealthy money they might be, it's plainly silly to spend that much money to satisfy validation needs via an online game. Good for Pixo 👍
The homing bullets shoot so slow that the reload rate is faster then the fire rate. You have infinite ammo with them now, damage is much weaker but you have infinite ammo. Btw you missed using the Ocho 😢 and ice rockets.
@@ItsDaNewGuytbh, I have stopped blaming Pixo. What should Pixo stop milking cows, if cows allow it? As for big YTbers: they are in a tough situation. They built their channels around the game. What are they supposed to do? At least Predator calls them out from time 2 time. And part of the game fun has always been watching likeable dudes play the game. It's again on us players.
@@alejandropeca7515 Pixo is capitalizing on trash gamers who need money to succeed. Can't hate the game, hate the player. And there are many ways to have a TH-cam channel around a game. How much did he spend on Ultimate Spectre? $10,000? That's not how you run a War Robots TH-cam channel. He should've made a video about how bullshit the pricing was and just not get it. And just not get the overpriced robots.
😂cuz u only need 1 meta bot to be pixonics skilless troll that pays to ruin matches and be a,troll just so they can feel good at something. They are good at something. Good at being pixonics skilless trolls😅🤓.
I got Shenlou before the nerf. With that, I gave it acid guns. I got Frozen Dagon before it got nerfed again, and I'm giving it Kramolas. With Ochokochi nerfed, I'm switching from sonic shotguns to blast shotguns.
These nerfs make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I mean the Dagon??? It gets wiped out on seconds with shieldbreaker!! They absolutely hammered Curie. I had two in my line up. I took them both out. Ocho is slow as hell. All of this is purely to make players buy the new bot and weapons. That's ALL it's about. They don't give a shit about balance. They never have.
Thts what they always do. That's why I don't buy into the new stuff. It's food for like a month or 2 then it's nerfed. Then they repeat with the next thing
Being a free to play player all of this is very welcomed, except for the daygon, I don’t understand why the nerf is happening now. I finally got one up and now I don’t even get to enjoy it cause it’s Nerf.
Eiffel and hmg nerf is super perfect. The others, I do feel the nerf quite badly. But I don’t mind. Still looking for a curie. Stuck on 8500 components. It also looks like the game play lasts longer now. Doesn’t end in 3 or 4 minutes anymore. Haven’t faced a condor but mauler is still ruining the game.
While i do have a hanger which is more than enough to keep me in champs (ive been in champs a long time) im not getting any new bots, ill wait until my bots are not enough and i drop into lower leagues where people can afford or opt not to p2w and they rather f2p and enjoy playing from time to time. Champs league is highly p2w. Everyone has put some dollar level down to remain there. Im going to join the f2p leagues.
I feel like someone showed pixonic that by increasing the shot interval, they can simply destroy a weapon without it looking like a big change. You can barely even shoot empty the homing machine guns anymore, goes to show little they care if an items mechanics make any sence as long as the new stuff dominates the old stuff.
LOL 😂 you must be brand new to this game! That’s exactly what they do over and over! You buy the robot and buy the strong weapons and spend money to get everything maxed out and bam 💥 new robot comes into play and they nerf your bot that you spent allot to be powerful and make it weak and insignificant
Bro I was just playing war robots and to me the Tesla weapons and all those weapons he mentioned they're all the same amount of speed and damaged in the Heimdall buff isn't even in effect yet
😂cuz u only need 1 meta bot to be pixonics skilless troll that pays to ruin matches and be a,troll just so they can feel good at something. They are good at something. Good at being pixonics skilless trolls😅🤓.
it's like the movie GroundHogs Day. I win a couple nearly meta things, grind like crazy to upgrade... boom MASSIVE nerfs, spent hours and hours for NOTHING. it's getting so old
the biggest change as a f2p player is change in the radiation weapons , hazard has been killed it seems or atleast for me its making the game feel more sluggish or slow kind of sucking the fun out of it . the only chance to vaporize meta robot within a few second window when its ability is down, has now been nerfed
Weapons Nerfs are good thing for battles. Through this Rebalance Nerfs this game is fewer slaughter and get more strategy tactic in the battles. The battles are longer. This is a good positive thing for the battles 😉.
@@anomicfinder9661 not sure. But when predator activated the shield surge, the shield go bar would say 2 shields and when he lost one. He just would not take damage.
Some won't leave bc they have invested so much money so what's the point. If the company goes bankrupt might as well stay until it drops you lose all the investment either way.
I gotta say the Dagon is my most hated robot, I hate that thing, shield and health just keeps filling up as your trying to kill it, then you die within 4 seconds trying to kill it
Really like these nerfs. These bots are still playable unlike the Newton Tonans and Fulgar nerfs. It will be a better game without Curies and Raptors everywhere.
Agree with almost everything. I love how the nerferd the tonans and Newton. NO weapon should have the ability to 1 tap. Even if the bot or titan is lvl 5.
Y'all still don't get it, huh? It's not gonna be a better game. There's always gonna be curie and raptor - level bots in the game. It makes no difference that they are nerfed cause now that next one is here, the Condor. I would actually pretty raptors and Curies to the Condor
As a 7 yeat FTP'er, I 100% agree with all the nerfs. I do not like the magnetar nerf, but a 600-meter lockdown is more important than damage, in my opinion.
Meh. Nerf to curie is decent. Raptor still op 💩. Lynx is half dead (nerf to him and kestrel). Radioactive weapons (hazard/decay/blight) are pretty much 💩, even with Otto, they're 💩. Eiffel seems bugged, look at 8:18 . Only 3 of 5 weapons are shooting 🤣🤣. Raptor need more nerf, they give him more speed, and reduce reflector by 10%... Defonitely not enough...
Every single time they introduce new broken stuff into the game, they later nerf it to what it should've been in the first place. They can properly balance everything, they just don't want to.
It the players fault for purchasing OP items that know they will get nerf and pixies fault for downgrading the content that you bought. This cycle of release to broken and nerf later will never end.
You didn't use the newly nerfed ice rockets but I saw a video on them, they are like Claw/Jaw/Talon now. Their firing rate is SO extremely slow, just like how they nerfed Claw/Jaw/Talon. Those weapons shot so fast and after the nerfs, they felt like different weapons. It's time for the new Condor and sonic weapons meta.
I can still use my dagon/magnetar build. just can´t brawl with it anymore. the mags do way less damage. so i keep my distance, the subduer is trash now (in my opinion) i traded it for the bendy buletts on my orochi.
Hey predator is it a bug or were the sparks supposed to get a 10 seconds reload now because it has one and they didn't mention anything about that in the rebalancing notes 🧐
I really like the nerfs because now you need to play strategic. Before it was just fire and forget, no skill needed. Moreover please try the magnetar Dagon with the Kate O'Donnel Pilot. More damage while the target is locked down. Maybe this will be a lot better now?
Can you provide any information on how the Anti-Cheat roll out for the PC platform has gone? How long until the Android and IoS platforms will get Anti-Cheat?
Idk man, at this point I'm not even going to say anything about the supposed "rebalance" updates cause all they do is nerf the meta for the new meta to take over and for them to fill their pockets with money, and it repeats and repeats till there is just a shell of the great game it once used to be.
And after 10 yrs of 2024 they make ultimate which is they bring back the original ability 😂. I'm sure all these new ultimate like ao jun is just like when it launched. Nothing to amaze tho 😂
They gotta nerf the crap outta everything so you can spend more $ on the OP new guns to have a fighting chance. All these corporate fat cats and devs always gotta ruin everything good cuz of greed.
This game has turned absolute dogshit now! Only focus is on the players who gives them enough dollars, been playing on and off for free for quite some time and can say its fricked now
The homing bullet titan weapons now fire so slow they don't seem to lose ammo because the reload is quicker then they can fire 💀
Sad
I played yesterday again for one hour - swiftly uninstalled WR again.
They clearly want to force Condor / Mauler sells. I don't feel like spending HUNDREDS (probably thousands) for computer bytes right now 😂
It’s like getting bed with your ex, just to get reminded why u break up in first place.
@@rontikainen 😅😅
Omo me too, I played yesterday and fell asleep, tried again today and unliked my Apple pay, next I am unsubscribing to all war robots TH-camrs once I delete the game. I don’t want to ever see this game again in my youtube feed
The price to keep up with the latest gear is simply unsustainable. I’ve dropped more than I should, but I’m growing tired of being taken advantage of. I can’t imagine what player’s without the wallet to keep up must think. Pixonic is not thinking this through, and they will end up with a dead fanbase.
I almost a free to play Player. Some bots a go the other way and go for beacons. That than the only way to win. Yes i win some matchen.
In the begin I hoop that i have a pay to play Player in mine team. But now i les people in game that pay to win than last year 2023.
This ain't rebalance it is the end 💀💀
💯 Complete Hatchet job. My personal views
😂cuz u only need 1 meta bot to be pixonics skilless troll that pays to ruin matches and be a,troll just so they can feel good at something. They are good at something. Good at being pixonics skilless trolls😅🤓.
@@_expert_53 💯
@@earthelucidatorthe word is 'sucker' and 'stu***d'. Regardless of how wealthy money they might be, it's plainly silly to spend that much money to satisfy validation needs via an online game. Good for Pixo 👍
@@earthelucidatorI feel like 80% of your comment was like, all the exact same
The homing bullets shoot so slow that the reload rate is faster then the fire rate. You have infinite ammo with them now, damage is much weaker but you have infinite ammo.
Btw you missed using the Ocho 😢 and ice rockets.
I was going to say that but it’s so true like what the hell are these devs on 😂
It's pointless tho, an aether would be able to kill way before you break its shield.
Pixonic's gonna milk the game dry until there's no milk to milk out
Thank the p2w skilless trolls that keep paying to ruin matches
@@earthelucidatorIt's also the fault of TH-camrs like Predator.
@@ItsDaNewGuytbh, I have stopped blaming Pixo. What should Pixo stop milking cows, if cows allow it?
As for big YTbers: they are in a tough situation. They built their channels around the game. What are they supposed to do? At least Predator calls them out from time 2 time. And part of the game fun has always been watching likeable dudes play the game. It's again on us players.
@@alejandropeca7515 Pixo is capitalizing on trash gamers who need money to succeed. Can't hate the game, hate the player.
And there are many ways to have a TH-cam channel around a game. How much did he spend on Ultimate Spectre? $10,000? That's not how you run a War Robots TH-cam channel. He should've made a video about how bullshit the pricing was and just not get it. And just not get the overpriced robots.
The reason I find the TH-camrs are also at fault is because they are also cows that give Pixonic everything they want.
This is one of the only times you'll see Predator use a full meta hanger
😂cuz u only need 1 meta bot to be pixonics skilless troll that pays to ruin matches and be a,troll just so they can feel good at something. They are good at something. Good at being pixonics skilless trolls😅🤓.
“Meta” 😂
@@earthelucidatorlol bro doesn’t even know what he’s saying
5:44 Scorpion healing is from Reviver Drone 😉.
i wasn't running into magnatars being an issue, few builds now days have light weapons anyway, so surprised they nerfed them so much
It’s to sell the new weapons. It’s not because they were causing problems.
All the reasons why I quit. Didn’t even get the chance to play with the new stuff and they’re already nerfed. Money saved.
Tumultus and Discordia turn to "Infinite ammo"💀
Fact 😂😂
I got Shenlou before the nerf. With that, I gave it acid guns. I got Frozen Dagon before it got nerfed again, and I'm giving it Kramolas. With Ochokochi nerfed, I'm switching from sonic shotguns to blast shotguns.
Now those Condors taking over the battle. Super stupid, you can't even stand a chance 😒
The worst nerf was to Subduer's sound effects. It sounds awful now
Yes bro I upgraded all my Subduers and then they just get nerfed so bad
This is why I'm gonna stop playing the game pretty soon
These nerfs make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I mean the Dagon??? It gets wiped out on seconds with shieldbreaker!! They absolutely hammered Curie. I had two in my line up. I took them both out. Ocho is slow as hell.
All of this is purely to make players buy the new bot and weapons. That's ALL it's about.
They don't give a shit about balance. They never have.
Curie is fine tho.
The game should now be called "AI Robots: featuring pixonics skilless trolls(p2w)".
So its not AI then?
@@ii_dynastyunfortunately
Had to change my whole hanger lol... they want us to buy the new weapons which are insanely op..
Thts what they always do. That's why I don't buy into the new stuff. It's food for like a month or 2 then it's nerfed. Then they repeat with the next thing
Subduer now is just like Brisant: From Meta to trash.
Brisasnt does a ton of damage? Only thing change really was the reload.
Yup and it will continue with all the new content nothing is safe from nerfs.
I miss manny saying "ohokochi"
Love every nerf except the magnetars. Love all the buffs. The leech and skyros are back to almost meta. Yet to test the revenant
Being a free to play player all of this is very welcomed, except for the daygon, I don’t understand why the nerf is happening now. I finally got one up and now I don’t even get to enjoy it cause it’s Nerf.
Eiffel and hmg nerf is super perfect. The others, I do feel the nerf quite badly. But I don’t mind. Still looking for a curie. Stuck on 8500 components. It also looks like the game play lasts longer now. Doesn’t end in 3 or 4 minutes anymore. Haven’t faced a condor but mauler is still ruining the game.
While i do have a hanger which is more than enough to keep me in champs (ive been in champs a long time) im not getting any new bots, ill wait until my bots are not enough and i drop into lower leagues where people can afford or opt not to p2w and they rather f2p and enjoy playing from time to time. Champs league is highly p2w. Everyone has put some dollar level down to remain there. Im going to join the f2p leagues.
Dagon getting nerfed is wild because anything with Shieldbreak auto kills it.
That was like the only actual balanced one.
Hey Predator, could you try Cryo Ravana buffed? Scorpion may also see a comeback with the much faster reload speed.
NGL I like the curie rebalance. Its much weaker now but so much more fun to play. Speed=funny
And the loop goes on
Does anyone else realized that the speed of the mothership is slow again?
Sooo my entire hangar has been nurfed thanks pixonic 😭
I feel like someone showed pixonic that by increasing the shot interval, they can simply destroy a weapon without it looking like a big change. You can barely even shoot empty the homing machine guns anymore, goes to show little they care if an items mechanics make any sence as long as the new stuff dominates the old stuff.
It'll be nice not to get deleted in 5secs from all the meta p2p hangars!!!
I guess its time for me to upgrade my Punisher T and get to champ league
The blight, hazard, decay have a slower firing rate as well now
This is not right , you buy something really expensive and they come and take it from !! SCAM !! 👎
Con artists to be precise:)
LOL 😂 you must be brand new to this game! That’s exactly what they do over and over! You buy the robot and buy the strong weapons and spend money to get everything maxed out and bam 💥 new robot comes into play and they nerf your bot that you spent allot to be powerful and make it weak and insignificant
Bro I was just playing war robots and to me the Tesla weapons and all those weapons he mentioned they're all the same amount of speed and damaged in the Heimdall buff isn't even in effect yet
Now Condor will have a field day in every battle
Im glad about the nerfs
8:31 sooooo satisfied to see homing bollets nerf😍
لا تقلق بشأن الأسلحة الإشعاعية؛ فهي تعمل مع أوتو بشكل جيد كما كانت من قبل.
@@Alhassan7081 اجل جربتها لم ارى فرقا كبيرا
افضل شيئ هو اضعاف الشينلو و الآيفل اكرههم كثيرا😍
وأنا أيضًا.
😂cuz u only need 1 meta bot to be pixonics skilless troll that pays to ruin matches and be a,troll just so they can feel good at something. They are good at something. Good at being pixonics skilless trolls😅🤓.
@@earthelucidator exactly bro🤝🏼
please makr a vid on Hel snaer weapons and the cryo ones
The Dagon is my least favourite nerf😢. Been in my hangar with blight for a while…
I have two of them. And 3 Anglers. All with Blight.
it's like the movie GroundHogs Day. I win a couple nearly meta things, grind like crazy to upgrade... boom MASSIVE nerfs, spent hours and hours for NOTHING. it's getting so old
the biggest change as a f2p player is change in the radiation weapons , hazard has been killed it seems or atleast for me its making the game feel more sluggish or slow kind of sucking the fun out of it . the only chance to vaporize meta robot within a few second window when its ability is down, has now been nerfed
It's really slow firing but it got like a 10% DMG buff, so per clip it does more damage, it's just less DPS
@@haberjon00o but when facing meta all i need is dps unfortunately
@@kanadyerpude9265 as a f2p, when you face meta, no matter what hangar you have, you're doomed from the beginning
@@haberjon00oMe with full Reaper Crisis:
Weapons Nerfs are good thing for battles. Through this Rebalance Nerfs this game is fewer slaughter and get more strategy tactic in the battles. The battles are longer. This is a good positive thing for the battles 😉.
The Radioactive weapons didnt need a nerf, now I'm gonna have to stick with 3x brisant.
Keep it mind that nothing is safe from nerfs.
No sir. Normal punisher.punisher T. Avenger. Are safe. And also decent ultimate things are safe too.@dylanzapper3445
Yeah… I forgot about that…
6:00 when you use your shield surge, you got a shield bug.
How does it work
@@anomicfinder9661 not sure. But when predator activated the shield surge, the shield go bar would say 2 shields and when he lost one. He just would not take damage.
Just quit and fire compaints against pixonic!!
Some won't leave bc they have invested so much money so what's the point. If the company goes bankrupt might as well stay until it drops you lose all the investment either way.
I gotta say the Dagon is my most hated robot, I hate that thing, shield and health just keeps filling up as your trying to kill it, then you die within 4 seconds trying to kill it
Really like these nerfs. These bots are still playable unlike the Newton Tonans and Fulgar nerfs. It will be a better game without Curies and Raptors everywhere.
Agree with almost everything. I love how the nerferd the tonans and Newton. NO weapon should have the ability to 1 tap. Even if the bot or titan is lvl 5.
Y'all still don't get it, huh? It's not gonna be a better game. There's always gonna be curie and raptor - level bots in the game. It makes no difference that they are nerfed cause now that next one is here, the Condor. I would actually pretty raptors and Curies to the Condor
had to make room for the new invincible meta bots which is condor and mauler
@@Tay_Stovall yup. Giant clown show of luzers
@@Tay_StovallCondor is beyond invincible you can't kill it I don't think even a prime ochokochi can either
Lol, pixo just effed themselves. Especially with the magnetar.
As a 7 yeat FTP'er, I 100% agree with all the nerfs. I do not like the magnetar nerf, but a 600-meter lockdown is more important than damage, in my opinion.
You agree that: radioactive weapons deserved a nerf? That dagon needed one too? Right.
Yeah, it looks bad. Feels bad but in a long run, you still won both game and you had good numbers It would’ve been a different story if you had lost.
Meh. Nerf to curie is decent. Raptor still op 💩. Lynx is half dead (nerf to him and kestrel). Radioactive weapons (hazard/decay/blight) are pretty much 💩, even with Otto, they're 💩. Eiffel seems bugged, look at 8:18 . Only 3 of 5 weapons are shooting 🤣🤣. Raptor need more nerf, they give him more speed, and reduce reflector by 10%... Defonitely not enough...
Aether: how does it feel Eiffel, tell me, how does it feel being weak
Eiffel : 😭😭
Good summary!
I played 3 hours ago and I heard my 5 teammates are still in the game with their Dagons, trying to kill a Mauler who is afk.
Every single time they introduce new broken stuff into the game, they later nerf it to what it should've been in the first place. They can properly balance everything, they just don't want to.
I am so disappointed though. My hangar was hit hard again! Last time was when the Talon, Jaw, Claw nerf happened.
It the players fault for purchasing OP items that know they will get nerf and pixies fault for downgrading the content that you bought. This cycle of release to broken and nerf later will never end.
You didn't use the newly nerfed ice rockets but I saw a video on them, they are like Claw/Jaw/Talon now. Their firing rate is SO extremely slow, just like how they nerfed Claw/Jaw/Talon. Those weapons shot so fast and after the nerfs, they felt like different weapons. It's time for the new Condor and sonic weapons meta.
Ocho done been nerfed to the ground. But it'd still winning battles
The nerf can work depending on what’s coming next… Go Scavenger Heimdall!
You should try the hazard group of weapons. Fires at the speed of a catapult.
gg cooking shows 😈😈😈
The durability of eiffel was totally suck after this nerf got shot instant by newton using fulgur and tonans🤕
Now you can shoot the bending bullets on Eiffel forever 😂
It's good the eiffel weapons are, slow. I got tired of not being able to dodge the bullets. And getting killed easily!
I wasn't supposed to do that to you, War Robot, more and more
I can still use my dagon/magnetar build. just can´t brawl with it anymore. the mags do way less damage. so i keep my distance, the subduer is trash now (in my opinion) i traded it for the bendy buletts on my orochi.
Just about every player got hit with the nerf but not every player.
there was zero reason to nerf the magnetar other than to kill a good free to play weapon
Hey predator is it a bug or were the sparks supposed to get a 10 seconds reload now because it has one and they didn't mention anything about that in the rebalancing notes 🧐
I really like the nerfs because now you need to play strategic. Before it was just fire and forget, no skill needed. Moreover please try the magnetar Dagon with the Kate O'Donnel Pilot. More damage while the target is locked down. Maybe this will be a lot better now?
Can you provide any information on how the Anti-Cheat roll out for the PC platform has gone? How long until the Android and IoS platforms will get Anti-Cheat?
Crazy how people spend money on things that are going to be nerfed soon....and the loop goes on for years.....
The damage is not decent. It's non existent. The Tumultus barely does any damage at all, although it never needs reloading 😂 I think it's bugged
So, Pixo nerfing everything quicker. Producing equipment quicker + Ultimate of old equipment that is soooo OP !! = Game over sadly
Infinite ammo with those bending bullets now..😂
Yayy... uh, I mean, nooo!
Idk man, at this point I'm not even going to say anything about the supposed "rebalance" updates cause all they do is nerf the meta for the new meta to take over and for them to fill their pockets with money, and it repeats and repeats till there is just a shell of the great game it once used to be.
Titan HMG never reload 🧐
Bro ocho is being nerged for the 4 time😢
Yea they wanna make it useless, So your is worthless as well.
its still good mine has 500k hp still after nerfs
Because it was stupid op back then.
I have none of these robots in my hangar
I am kinda relieved with the nerf because my hangar is not very high level and also not very good.
So they met sale quota for this items?
@10:58 I hear music……
BRAH TURN THAT UP.
I think you fools misunderstand pix's rebalancing meaning, what they are referring to is rebalance their bank account at your expense.... haha
Hi Predator 👋 Can you try a tanky regular Rayker build with no ultimate weapons pls?
THMGs were fine, the problem has always been Eiffel.
And after 10 yrs of 2024 they make ultimate which is they bring back the original ability 😂. I'm sure all these new ultimate like ao jun is just like when it launched.
Nothing to amaze tho 😂
who remember Newton
That thing is a shell of it's former self. It's dead.
Why is no one talking about the mothership changes? 👀
Ftp out there not knowing the difference between the nerd because we ain't got the weapons
Hi, hou about weapon or robot tierlist, how's that about video idea, as you seem very informed about wr :]
mu ocho build is destroyed
The worst one was the shenlou
I mean its whole purpose was ripped away
Sheild was changed from a mars shield to a cerberus shield.
Its end of this game i played 5 years and now sucks...
I quit the game because of it and I was longswordlazer
So pretty much my entire hanger ☠️
Seeing all these negative comments makes me excited for armor attack launch soon.
Stealing your money
As usual and we keep given them.
They gotta nerf the crap outta everything so you can spend more $ on the OP new guns to have a fighting chance. All these corporate fat cats and devs always gotta ruin everything good cuz of greed.
This game has turned absolute dogshit now! Only focus is on the players who gives them enough dollars, been playing on and off for free for quite some time and can say its fricked now