As an Ed main, it is kind of unfortunate he got nerfed, but I understand why it was needed. I am extremely happy for Manon mains though, well deserved buffs.
You forgot to mention kill rush back hurtbox nerf. I believe, this is the biggest nerf in his list. For example, you can't back kill rush out of DI if you do st.HP into charge flicker, no matter how early you cancel it. Drive impact stuffs it 100% of the times
I don't mind these Ed changes at all, as someone who plays him. I think it kinda fits him since he's a more technical character; he shouldn't have a lot of brain dead options. Manon, I just wish they made her counter hit jab link into cr. mp
According to the dev notes I think the Ed level 2 nerf is meant to allow opponents who are getting combo’d to gain a small bit of drive as the dream combo is performed, to make it so that the difference between both players drive is not so great by the end.
It means if he does the dream combo and the ball flies offscreen without finishing all its hits then the opponent takes no drive damage Actually a cool way of nerfing it, so you either do the full dream combo or take a reduced damage version for some drive damage as well
For Ed, the light level 2 change means that the opponent will regain some drive gauge during long combos like the dream combo. They will only lose drive when the super finishes
Capcom piecemealing plus frames to Manon with these placebo buffs over 2 years is crazy work? These “buffs” are basically like low elo changes in a MOBA. The real Manon buffs are literal nerfs to other characters lol.
I agree with this sentiment 100%. Hell, in season 1 all we really asked for was them to fix the damn level 2 and it took them a whole year just to do that and immediately left me with zero confidence outside of their pet characters. At this point I’m done with this game. I’ll come back in 2026, maybe, to see if the devs have a brain rather than adding these win more gimmicks to her kit.
All Ed nerfs were ok and kinda deserved, but the nerf to kill rush back is kinda bonkers. It makes countering it be braindead. You have to just autopilot "sees blocked hit into flicker --> DI". Maybe in practical situations people will try to guess more and will try to DI when you don't use flicker, but it removes a bit of Ed's depth when you can't react to DI anymore, and even when you read the oponnent correctly, you can be punished
My hunch about Manon spin recovery is that it makes it a bit quicker if you do dodge a fireball and also makes it less punishable at range for baiting things.
I do not think the Manon adjustment is going as I thought. I consider Manon a character that needs to trade-off for medal or oki as the match going on. But it seems like we should go for medal every time because they buff the meter gain of high level hitgrab.
I love on lily changes everyone said target combo it needed a buff and all capcom said is hey you have a target combo you should use it more but kept it the same WTF
the changes to manon arent important because shes still crap in neutral and she still has terrible defense. That's what she needed, not more meter. I dont think ive ever heard idom said "wow, i want more meter with manon!" in my life. If anything, she needs more drive gauge, not super meter lol. She relies and burns meter so fast from drive, not from super. No one in the world cared or desired more super gauge. lol.
They want you to get baited into wake up level 1 and then immediately blown up for even trying to use it as wake up option. These are simply lower rank changes nothing more.
@@azizkash286 hes not top 1 top 5 ez but theres no way he was top 1 when biosn and akuma where, he was only top 1 in japan tier list on the tier list of people that get destroy by eds and most good eds are japanese so thats why u dont see other regions saying ed is top 1
Ed was easy top 3. Yeah, he's gonna get nerfed. bison was hit hard as well. Ken is strong, but his oki was nerfed on 3 of his best moves, and Ken was not top 3. Akuma and Cammy, on the other hand, had some privilege taken away but are the likely top 2 post patch.
As an Ed main, it is kind of unfortunate he got nerfed, but I understand why it was needed. I am extremely happy for Manon mains though, well deserved buffs.
You forgot to mention kill rush back hurtbox nerf. I believe, this is the biggest nerf in his list. For example, you can't back kill rush out of DI if you do st.HP into charge flicker, no matter how early you cancel it. Drive impact stuffs it 100% of the times
yes kill rush back is huge
Yeah that looked like the intention. Haven't tested to see ranges impacted, but having counterplay for this move is important.
I don't mind these Ed changes at all, as someone who plays him. I think it kinda fits him since he's a more technical character; he shouldn't have a lot of brain dead options.
Manon, I just wish they made her counter hit jab link into cr. mp
Yipes said the same thing
According to the dev notes I think the Ed level 2 nerf is meant to allow opponents who are getting combo’d to gain a small bit of drive as the dream combo is performed, to make it so that the difference between both players drive is not so great by the end.
It means if he does the dream combo and the ball flies offscreen without finishing all its hits then the opponent takes no drive damage
Actually a cool way of nerfing it, so you either do the full dream combo or take a reduced damage version for some drive damage as well
This might even make it impossible to burn someone out if you go for the full dream combo
Oh look, they changed nothing for Manon. 'That only thing you could do, do more of it'
For Ed, the light level 2 change means that the opponent will regain some drive gauge during long combos like the dream combo. They will only lose drive when the super finishes
Capcom piecemealing plus frames to Manon with these placebo buffs over 2 years is crazy work? These “buffs” are basically like low elo changes in a MOBA.
The real Manon buffs are literal nerfs to other characters lol.
She's arguably where she should have been season 1. TBH it feels like they just didn't finish her and keep her low priority.
I agree with this sentiment 100%. Hell, in season 1 all we really asked for was them to fix the damn level 2 and it took them a whole year just to do that and immediately left me with zero confidence outside of their pet characters. At this point I’m done with this game. I’ll come back in 2026, maybe, to see if the devs have a brain rather than adding these win more gimmicks to her kit.
She is OP now. You will see.
@@chrisx742 I want to be proven wrong that she’s better but definitely not OP.
@@chrisx742 Prove it. Bet you can't
All Ed nerfs were ok and kinda deserved, but the nerf to kill rush back is kinda bonkers. It makes countering it be braindead. You have to just autopilot "sees blocked hit into flicker --> DI". Maybe in practical situations people will try to guess more and will try to DI when you don't use flicker, but it removes a bit of Ed's depth when you can't react to DI anymore, and even when you read the oponnent correctly, you can be punished
My hunch about Manon spin recovery is that it makes it a bit quicker if you do dodge a fireball and also makes it less punishable at range for baiting things.
Also! The Manon HK buff out of rush means her M command grab and LK reach from start range for a mixup
@@Jarrych83 DR HK is still not good. You're better off using other buttons like jab or cMP.
@@Aggrofool yes, but a lot of that is her so so rush in general. HK always has some ok poke and punish uses and now it actually gets you something
@Jarrych83 Why are you drive rushing into a 15F, non-cancelable button, man?
@NYLplaysgames we're discussing a move change. That's literally all
I do not think the Manon adjustment is going as I thought.
I consider Manon a character that needs to trade-off for medal or oki as the match going on.
But it seems like we should go for medal every time because they buff the meter gain of high level hitgrab.
Man F Edd. I hated his counter hit into itself.
pretty cool change for manon since she needs to super a lot on defense
She needs to super period . Her damage is low outside of command grabs
It kicks in way too late. Manon's tend to get medal 3 late unless things are going really well which means no need to super defensively anyways.
Manon medal 4 needs meter increase as well. Kinda sad they leave a gap there.
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*ED Nerf* oh no, anyway
*Manon buff* Excited Bison "Yes Yes"
Raven report: Ed... is dead. Capxom please buff Ed
I love on lily changes everyone said target combo it needed a buff and all capcom said is hey you have a target combo you should use it more but kept it the same WTF
As a Zangief, nothing happened. I don't think anyone uses power stomp
Jump Cancel nerf seems pretty substantial.
@@ramijackson3978at high level, its a significant nerf, but for 85% of zangiefs, hes technically buffed this patch we got away with murder
Juri Top5
Please tell me they nerfed rashid
They did, video up next
@MCMuraFGC thank you I'll look out for it
Ed is just not worth the effort i'm swaping to Aki
the changes to manon arent important because shes still crap in neutral and she still has terrible defense. That's what she needed, not more meter. I dont think ive ever heard idom said "wow, i want more meter with manon!" in my life. If anything, she needs more drive gauge, not super meter lol. She relies and burns meter so fast from drive, not from super. No one in the world cared or desired more super gauge. lol.
They want you to get baited into wake up level 1 and then immediately blown up for even trying to use it as wake up option. These are simply lower rank changes nothing more.
i was waiting for this patch to find a new main as i mained ryu, got my first masters with him and now i’m conflicted. who is top 5 now?
It will take some time for things to shake out for people to agree on a top 5. But in the meantime, it’s cliche but pick who you find fun.
@ i enjoy everyone. im trying to invest in some stonks. ken seems to be the safest pick.
they killed ed fuck this game why is ken and rashid still not touched
Rashid and Ken were touched tho?
Lol what? Ed is literally top 1 he is soo busted. He deserved more nerfs imo lol
@@imjustlightningman brother ken is still the same character and rashid is still gonna do lvl 2 every round and win neutral with that
@@azizkash286 hes not top 1 top 5 ez but theres no way he was top 1 when biosn and akuma where, he was only top 1 in japan tier list on the tier list of people that get destroy by eds and most good eds are japanese so thats why u dont see other regions saying ed is top 1
Ed was easy top 3. Yeah, he's gonna get nerfed. bison was hit hard as well. Ken is strong, but his oki was nerfed on 3 of his best moves, and Ken was not top 3. Akuma and Cammy, on the other hand, had some privilege taken away but are the likely top 2 post patch.