How to run freezers off an inverter!
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- How to run freezers off an inverter!
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This information is really good as I'm looking to do the same sort of thing but it is a shame Renogy don't call you to discuss there camper van complete kit requirements even if you log a request as I live in the UK and I need to make sure the system is UK compatable.... Great work Lilly
Nice! I have a Renogy inverter to fit hopefully before the winter (on a boat mind). :)
PS thanks for the info, my motor will be running of a 24v system, so interesting to know some don't allow being put in series!
What are the downsides of a bluetooth battery when we are all on blockchain system of control?
Excellent video Lilly,love your knowledge of electronics. U are a total survivalist,and I'm impressed with ever video.
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Thank you for coming back to this subject, your a very smart and accomplished woman.
Audio is fine for me. Thanks for the tips Lilly. Good luck this Winter.
Excellent video. Wife and I have been watching you for years. I agree the 500 watt will power one freezer. I needed to power 1 freezer and 1 refrigerator. The 500 watt would work either one, and sometimes both. When they both tried to start at the same time, the inverter tripped off due to overload. I installed an 800W inverter and it runs both with no trouble.
Also, look at a “low frequency” inverter such as a Victron phoenix. Those inverters have a really low “idle” current (when neither device is running). It extended the tome between battery charges by a significant amount. Amp draw of the idle current dropped from 2.5A to 0.57A
good stuff, never thought about the grounding issues with inverters
Good video! A Way to Think about wiring in an inverter is to think about the inverter as the City Wires Coming from the Street ( Your Electricity Provider ) Put an Electrical panel on the Wall with breakers in it and use the Inverter to power that Electrical panel solely. Ground inverter to earth , Ground Electrical panel to Earth & Ground inverter to Electrical panel. Treat the inverter as “ Your Electric company “
& Wire As usual to code to the Panel.
The initial voltage of a compressor starting is called inrush The compressor will have a start load run amperage sometimes noted as SLRA . Then you have rla which is run load amperage. To verify your ratings to a sine wave converter and to the power supply peak and discharge you need to take an amperage and voltage reading from the compressor when it comes on. You do this directly at the terminals and then after it begins to run so you do not damage the inverter the battery or the compressor Yes I am an HVAC and refrigeration technician and specialist for over 25 years.
Hello Super Lilly ,a great thankyou for your time and comparing batteries , at the moment i will install 2 agm batteries of 100 amp hours in paralel so i should have atleast 100 amp hours but to my calculations i will have less and the cost of agm is low , i realy would tell people that electronic devices are in grave danger of emp or super solar flares , so all make there own decisions , big hug from an old survivalist .
That's awesome Lilly. If you have plentiful deer in your area you'll have a freezer full of venison this winter. Good for you and your family.
Great video as usual. What was the app/website you used to calculate the amperage of different gauge wires at certain voltages. That looked very handy because I do all my own electrical work. Usually I err on the side of caution and use much thicker wires than necessary. This also helps with voltage drop through the cable.
Great explanation. Thanks.
SOOOO!! You could take a freezer to your BUGOUT camp and stay longer. I love your videos. LG Canada.
A Good Rule of thumb when sizing an inverter to a Refrigerator load is Size inverter to 8 times Compressors Running Watts Minimum ! Compressors on start up draw about 7 times the running watts For 1 second on start up.
Example: if Refrigerator or Freezer draws 100 watts while Compressor is cooling the System You Would Need an inverter capable of supplying 800 watts Peak inrush current Minimum. When in Doubt ALLWAYS Go bigger. Refrigeration man for 40+ years.
I always learn something from your videos. The alternative to freezers would be pickling, canning, smoking and salt, unless you live near permafrost.
Some very good information there beautifully explained
Nice and informative video😎☕
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I use a 200w invertor and 4 lead acid deep cycle RV batteries, in my little watchmans trailer.
The invertor starts sounding an alarm at 11.1volts, and automatically shuts off at no less than 10.9 volts.
Keeps batteries in safe range, living longer.
Tip: there are LiFePo4 batteries that can be charged in below freezing temperatures. A bit more expensive than the regular ones. But all in all good choice!
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Anytime you can run your appliances DIRECTLY from the battery/solar system (DC), you are way more efficient. There are very good DC powered freezers and fridges available. INVERTERS, by nature, are ONLY about 75-80% efficient. The components inside them get hot (that's why they have a fan inside) and they are ON all the time drawing some power. All "whole-house" systems HAVE TO BE designed at least 20% over sized to take care of this! For small apps, such as a freezer, I myself, would rather not waste my limited solar/battery capacity going through an inverter. For a whole house with a huge array....well that's different! Only an E.E major's perspective. 😝 But, in your case, Lilly, you are using this mainly as a backup, short term. So I get it!👍
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Absolutely fantastic video, Lilly! Very well done! Thank you for the information and the safety tips. Thank you also for the links. According to the YTers I watch, Renogy is a great brand. This battery is very impressive, even more so with the phone app. Good health and happiness to you and your loved ones!
I wonder if that is why my new chest freezer say it is not for use with a inverter? Thanks Lilly
Thanks for a nice video! I have the same GreenCell inverter as you but at 2kW and peak power at 3kW. I have counted on running two freezers, a refrigerator, the heating system's circulation pumps and a few other small things. Unfortunately I can't afford lithium batteries but run with high quality lead batteries from Draeger anesthesia machines...get free from work when we do preventive maintenance. Keep up the good work!
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Could you please put up the link to your wire selection chart?
I was thinking of getting a 12v compressor fridge as a backup too. I have absorption fridges which are great for propane but not as efficient running on electricity as a 12v compressor fridge is. I have a large modern frost free fridge and freezer but they are power hungry on the batteries running on a inverter.
Can you use a modified sine wave inverter on a small chest freezer?
i'm thinking about getting an ecoflow delta 2 system to power a fridge, freezer, etc. do i need to worry about grounding it?
The freezer does not run constantly, the motor cuts in and out when needed. The inverter will always be drawing current when on, I believe you could extend the usage by only plugging it in every 4 of 6 hours (would need testing) and only having the inverter turned on at that time.
Yes! I have tried putting a timer on so the freezer/inverter is ON/15 min. OFF/4 hours.
I almost doubled the capability of my battery!
Except the freezer runs for a reason. If you have items in there you don't mind thawing a little bit then ok, but the temp fluctuations can actually pull more power to bring back to temp rather than maintaining.
Like cooling your house only a couple of times vs maintaining the Temps and vice versa for heating.
The items inside at the temp you want help keep it from running as much over time than expending more energy to cool/heat it further than you would have just maintaining it.
@@bonedoc4556 This is all true. But having to not open the door for 10 hrs a day means you can set the timer to 4hrs etc but during the day, when charge is available, you can have it on all day. 👍
@@Nellyontheland good point
Great video. I thought I was going to need to correct you but you did a great job. I just want to reemphasize that the LiFePo4 batterys give you double the run time of a lead acid that is rated at the same amp hours. So that cuts the cost in half when you compare. Plus the batteries last way way longer. Never by lead acid again. Waste of money.
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Ya gotta also think about what happens if theres a EMP but also to keep ya freezer from turnin on soo much ya put bottles or bags of water in it so when they freeze it acts as a thermal capacitor which will make the freezer stay off even longer cause it will stay cold and u can always wrap the freezer in some foil board or have a small air gap and then some foil board as it will keep the freezers insulation cooler on the outside
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Very good to have this information in these unstable times, but the cost of the items is really prohibitive to a great many people.
Does a soft start kit for r v rooftop airconditioner work on deep freezer to be easier on an inverter ?
I have had a small freezer operating on a small, but growing, solar system, off the grid for a couple years now.
In America, a two-wire connection is allowable downstream of a Ground-Fault Circuit Interrupter (GFCI). This is known as a Residual Current Device (RCD) in the EU.
I am finding that many inverter manufacturers include GFCI functionality.
YMMV
Hi! How many AGM batteries can you buy for the price of a Life battery? Here in Norway the Life batteries are so exspensive.
Didn't you already post this video before? Is this an updated version, maybe?
Fill any empty spaces between food with containers of water. Once frozen, the ice will help keep the food from thawing so fast should the battery and/or inverter stop working.
You might do a video, on how to set-up the Pudibel NR-750 to detect and alarm, for Gamma radiation, Thank you ! Also, smoke detectors are also a good source for detecting radiation and testing the unit
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I was hoping you would discus the surge watt question in greater detail. For example, when choosing an inverter, do you add the running watts to the surge watts and use the total? Say 500 running watts and 1200 surge watts for a device. (500+1200=1700)? Is this correct?
Did your 500 watt inverter work with your freezer ?? Thanks
Lilly, you are doing a great job! Thank you for sharing! I think a 500W Inverter is a bit underpowered for the freezer…
Why do you consider it underpowered, it draws 170 watts and inverters work most efficiently under larger load, so a bigger inverter will be less efficient and also draw more phantom charge. Lilly, can you measure the voltage and amps in the DC part so you can calculate the actual efficiency. Perhaps the Renogy app even shows the value
My freezer draws 26 watts. The surge power is around 800 watts, but that is just for a few milliseconds. So the inverter is big enough for my model of freezer.
Very thorough summery on lithium iron phosphate battery verses lead acid
The dirty little secret about electronics / technology is hazmat. Most folks ignore this because it’s not in my backyard. I think even an old fashioned lead acid battery is less of a hazard then lithium batteries. That being said I have a 1000 watt jackery in my van and I bought a 500 watt jackery for the wife. Just be aware lithium is a heavy metal. Love your work Lady always appreciated.
When figuring peak current/power one must take into consideration the inductive kick AC or DC motors calculate for peak current to be safe. As a young man we carried powerful DC motors driven by power amps of the same size. Driving the large reel to reel tape recorders in aircraft. Monitoring the inductive kick of the motors with an “O” Scope was always way off the scale. Okay I’ll be quite now.
Lithium is a light metal - element 3, the lightest metal of all. Lead is the heavy one; must have been an innocent typo.
How long will it last. A day, a week, etc.
You can keep food in a metal garbage can if it’s freezing outside. Also freeze left over h2o gallons outside inwinter then put in freezer or refrigerator until power comes back on.
The LiFePo charge life is also where it goes to 80% charge capacity, after 1500 or its rating, so it has much longer life.
The caveat is that they are much more expensive, not just a little, but reliability in low temperatures and long life are the worthy trade off.
at least in winter, you can simply store food outside. don't forget power for the sewage sump pump!
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Hi,how do I recharge the battery.? Thanks
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Lilly. Please give an update on Austrian/EU prices and shortages.
The lead acid battery may say 500 cycles at 50% dod but its still perfectly usable after 500 cycles still retaining 80% of its original capacity
Dont think so but maybe dependa on the brand
I don’t know the power of that drill but it could be over the output of the inverter.
I have up to 1000w drills. Some are 750w or 500w.
Best to check
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Lifepo4 batteries and new inverters all have safty mecanism. Most people have issues from loose connections, they can over heat because of poor connection conductivity and melt the wires plastics . Buy a Bluetti, safer and space saving devices. Insurance will not pay when fire is caused by DIYers.
Store an ice cube or two in a sealed plastic bag in the freezer. If you lose power, the ice will begin to melt. The size of the cube (that is, if any of the cube is left) will let you know how long the power was off.
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this appears to be a re post with the info about the grounding added. If you want the safest you can have then you should have a qualified electrician set this up..... my question is with all the electronics in appliances now days would a short to the body of any appliance even work?
"would a short to the body of any appliance even work?"
It would be inconsequential. However, if you had TWO (or more) devices and one of them shorts one polarity (or phase) and the other shorts the other polarity (or phase), then if you put hands on both of them at the same time you will get a dangerous shock. A physical or earth ground on the appliance won't help simply because the inverter itself does not use ground.
The idea of grounding appliances is that with two appliances grounded, and each shorts to the other phase, it will short circuit the mains and blow a fuse or trip the circuit breaker. Even if not, the appliance being grounded won't develop a voltage relative to, say, the household plumbing so you don't get shocked touching the water spigot at the same time as an appliance. Which you ought not to do anyway.
@@thomasmaughan4798 Thanks for the explanation. I dont understand if this applys to an inverter powering a freezer? There is no mains to trip so what happens with the inverter? and how do all the portable power stations get by without a earth connection?. I am not asking for you to answer as i have contacted an electrician and will be picking his brain when he installs a transfer switch at my house.
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Could you not just run an earth from the inverter to the ground of the freezer since it's already grounded thru the plug in the wall?
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Freezer with energy efficient class A means less electricity power consumption isn't it?
But the lithium iron batteries cost 5 times the price of a acid battery so i would 4 or 5 acid batteries and pure sine wave inverter 1500 watts 3000watts or higher with 2 to 3 AC sockets . but make sure you you get the right size cable for the battery leads so they dont over heat ie thicker cable ,also the right way to connect the cables to the batteries .
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Audio is working for me. I am in uk
How did battery lose only 40A or 512 Watts in 24h when the freezer pulls 80W plus inverter loses on top of that of at least 6%? Is it magic battery?
80w,,,to start the compressor initially, then drops to,,,,26w after ( I think she mentioned those figures in video.)
Audio ok in austria
Try not to be too dependent on a freezer. I wouldn't fill it with a lot of expensive cuts of meat or other expensive items. If frozen vegetables or quick meals go bad, it's not a big loss. My only real need for refrigeration is for insulin. I have a portable mini fridge for that. It uses far less electricity. It can hold several dozen vials of insulin with enough additional room for a bunch of ice packs. I also have a backup travel CPAP for the same reason.
You have done this video before. I think it was last week.?
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I'm having a deja Vu experience I feel like I've seen this before
What? I'm back I can hear you now
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Are you still enjoying this setup? I just moved off great and I need to figure something out but I'm really unsure on what to do. Lots of people tell me this setup is not going to work..... I feel like it will! Please let me know what you think
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i initially read "how to run freezers off the internet" and was very confused
That would be a very thick POE cable.
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I don't think you're going to have to worry about keeping your food frozen this winter. Maybe buy some blankets, It's going to be a cold one with no Russian gas.
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nice battery they caught on fire in lot car AGM battery never caught on fire yet the other battery bring down plane
its crazy how you went into meticulous details about battery type and grounding yet you neglected very important such which is : how long will this battery power this thing ? how long it takes to recharge it which charger etc .
Am I the only one who chuckled when she said "fit all the meat inside"