@@kevind3974 So true. I'm sure the Shepard we encountered in the Citadel DLC couldn't have been the only other shepard created for spare parts. The Illusive man had tons of secrets.
@@nova3530onyt most likely, i would not be surprised if theirs multiple types as well. one augmented, a synthetic, a semi husk/geth/repear tech one etc. hell if they want to make a me4 you can easily get sheperd back. it wont be the same shepered from me2-3 but it would most likely be the one from 1 with the addition to any of the special stuff added to the copy and a new background to explaining their inactivity in the other games (most likly the same as the copy, took more then two years to complet). our shepered might be dead but their not. hell if they want to get the andramada series going again put shepered on one of the ships heading to the system and boom (not the human one or really any that arrived, most likly a secret cerberus one that comes after or with the quarian one)
@@kevind3974 I would gladly play an Andromeda spear headed by a alternate Shepard who may have ill intent and finds a better path while forging one for humanity. That would be great. Do you think we should have the ability to play as real shepherd by the way in the new one? Or would you prefer a new character arc to flesh out?
@@nova3530onyt for andramida it could just be the normal me1 sheperd just with the control chip actually installed like maranda initially wanted. so in the end we got a shepered who has a star war order 66 chip in his head. and if you know anything about the chips and what it dos to the clones in star wars that would be a nightmare, espeshaly when the free willed version of shepered figures out hes chiped for a possible me4 set in the milky way personally i want a time skip of atleast 100-600 years (600 would probably be best so we can possible get in contact with andromeda). sadly that means no shepered (unless theirs an ai cerberus version of him or you took the control ending) i would want them to be related to shepered in some way thou, but not be a pure blooded human. mass effect was alwase to human centric for me do to shepered well being a hero from earth that was barely 30 years since first contact so humans had the most to do because they were just so new. do a mix raced shepered (race is determined off your lover in the original triligy, unless you were selibit or they died where its a something like hanna shepered had another child or unkown to him he had a brother or cusin this hole time) while the game would most likly be more internal then exsternal like with the reapers. mostly focusing on xenophobia and uplifted races like the vorchia and reminents/reamerged krogan and rachnie getting up to mischif now that their population has had time to restart, but like the rest of the galaxie not enough to be back to where they were before (the reapers did ALOT of damage and the ending might have done even more). this would also go for the quarians and geth even if their fleets were distroyed they still had secs outside their fleets be it the indipendent geth or quarians on their pilgramige. while if the machines were shut down after 100-600 years someones bound to turn them back on. they got E.M.Ped not straight up killed, as long as their cercuts are not fried their still alive just in a coma. the choices from the last game will determan their numbers. ether way the gangs took over and the vorcha spreed over that last 100-600 years and thats not a good thing
It also validates why everyone hates them so much, I remember first time I ignored them, then headed to ME2 and found out that everyone hates them so very much, like pro human group sure but there was so much hate and couldn't understand why. Then I did the Cerberus side missions and figured it out, along with the Survivor background, luring alliance soldiers to Thresher Maw nests, killing alliance admirals, experimenting on Rachni and Thorian creepers, releasing side Rachni with freighters and such, I wouldn't be surprised if all those husks of research teams and on the ships belong to Cerberus aswell.
For every successful project such as the Normandy, Lazarus and EDI. There’s a stupid one like overlord, monster soldiers and turning the entire organisation into indoctrinated reaper slaves. Bit of a mixed track record.
Also almost respreding the none queen alined Raccnie (the crazy mofos, their already weird with the queen without her their a plague) in me1. Ya restart the raccnie wars because you wanted to fuck with a dead and vary angry spieces. And that’s without the fact that they almost started a zombie plague of husks and tharim sporlings before me3 because they were fucking withe geth, a primordial plant, and reper tech. Why for any of these. Simple Because “fuck it” and a good dash of yolo.
Project Overlord felt like the most inhumane project Cerberus conducted for a Pro-Human group. For all their talk about being about humanity that project alone proved just how far gone the organization was even before it had fallen to the reaper's control.
This is, Cerberus and the Illusive man just were getting impatient for results, it's was Archer who decided to plug his brother into the Geth collective without the right protections.
The weird thing about Cerberus is it's Cell structure, as each team only answers to the illusive man and he only asks about results, each team head is under pressure to get results while not having to answer to anyone else. This leads to stealing Thorian Creeper samples to try to make humanoid soldier slaves, or child biotic experiments or plugging a savant. It's clear the Illusive man has some form of morals, he's just willing to let some blood get spilled for the "greater good of humanity" This is why his indoctrination lead to Cerberus flipping entirely on it's head in ME3, because he was the only one calling the shots.
He did what ever it take to protect humanity and it interests, even when he wasn't indoctrinated , cerberus gools are always been the same , the advances of humanity and securing humanity future and protecting it from alien threats , fighting the Reapers and destroying them after spending it resources and man power it will put humanity is disadvantage against the other raciss but if they find a way to control them they will win the galactic war against the other raciss and insured their own future
Jack was indoctrinated, albeit at weak level, during that exposure to the artifact. This same splinter cell was in existence during the prothian cycle amd was stated in ME3 by Vendetta on Thesia where he states that a cell of Prothians believed they need to dominate the Reapers.
@@TheWireLayer I was expecting an alliance / Cerberus pick in the last game. But I guess it was too hard to do or maybe the devs realized that they made Cerberus Both too racist and too Al Qaeda like in the first game XD
@@aziouss2863 No. They just bit off more than they could chew and started making a bunch of concessions. Cerberus reduced to a typical bad guy org. Morinth reduced to a very lame cameo. The first living Prothean reduced to dlc.
Well, they revived shepherd when no one else bothered, so I kinda like them , no one is saint , everyone make mistakes, I think Cerberus does more good than harm
There’s plenty of lore channels out there that go into hyper detail with the back stories. ‘Mr. Hulten’ and ‘Big Dan Gaming’ to name a few. Great depth and explanations, no rushed vids.
Cerberus is why ME2 is my favorite game. They bring to the games an enemy that you can disagree with, while also maybe wanting to support in certain areas - because survival. That's why Andromeda failed for me! There was no uncomfortable middle ground that could tempt you away from the Paragon path.
And there is a reason why Ashley hates both Cerberus, and the Terra Firma movement and if you actually take the time to befriend her in ME1, you learn what that reason is and how it stems back to the end of the First-Contact War.
I was a little disappointed we never got a backstory for the illusive man. But then again it would've needed a whole spin off game to justify it. I think they should have made then game instead of Andromeda.
I'll never understand what they're were thinking with Andromeda. Here, you have this entire Galaxy with a rich lore, waiting to tell stories. And what do these genius devs decide to do? Scrap it all and go to a completely different galaxy. Dumb move.
@@user-gm4kv2my4u I have no facts behind this but I swear it was a move pushed by someone who wanted money. They forced a team to make a mass effect game as a cash grab despite the series having an ending. Not wanting to ruin what the trilogy did, the team branched it waayy off.
Too bad we didn't get a prequel game that maybe let us play as the illusive man before he made Cerberus. I recall back-in-the-day BioWare teasing the concept a prequel game, but decided to make Andromeda instead for whatever reason.
Did Leviathan create Cerberus (via the artifact) to fight the Reaper threat? There were three Leviathan (maybe representing Cerberus, guard to the underworld)
I myself got the impreassiom ever since we got the novel and andromeda that there was somw sort of a relationahip between eva and jack since prosumably cora harper is his daughter and the synth in me3 is named eva, maye sense to me
OMG So the accident involving kids getting powers being exposed to the zero element is his doing ? But it got me a bit confused. Was he indoctrinated from his exposition to the artefact then or later between ME2 and 3 ?
I love how the narrator doesn't even know how to pronounce some of the in-game things because he's never played Mass Effect. Gmaespot just gave him a script and told him to read it XD
Cerberus isn't about the facilities or the people or the money, Cerberus is ideal and idea can't be destroyed, as long theirs a threat to human existence humanity needs Cerberus
Here's the Cerberus lore you need to know in a single sentence: It was originally a rouge black ops group that served as a bit more of an interesting enemy to shoot at in ME1, but was later retconned to be a giant human centric organization that took over the story like an invasive weed.
The illusive man had an amazing onscreen presence. I miss running errands for the man and telling him off at the same time.
And the worst part is until you start actively going against him. He’s completely fine with it because that’s how he created you to be.
@@kevind3974 So true. I'm sure the Shepard we encountered in the Citadel DLC couldn't have been the only other shepard created for spare parts. The Illusive man had tons of secrets.
@@nova3530onyt most likely, i would not be surprised if theirs multiple types as well. one augmented, a synthetic, a semi husk/geth/repear tech one etc. hell if they want to make a me4 you can easily get sheperd back. it wont be the same shepered from me2-3 but it would most likely be the one from 1 with the addition to any of the special stuff added to the copy and a new background to explaining their inactivity in the other games (most likly the same as the copy, took more then two years to complet). our shepered might be dead but their not.
hell if they want to get the andramada series going again put shepered on one of the ships heading to the system and boom (not the human one or really any that arrived, most likly a secret cerberus one that comes after or with the quarian one)
@@kevind3974 I would gladly play an Andromeda spear headed by a alternate Shepard who may have ill intent and finds a better path while forging one for humanity. That would be great.
Do you think we should have the ability to play as real shepherd by the way in the new one? Or would you prefer a new character arc to flesh out?
@@nova3530onyt for andramida it could just be the normal me1 sheperd just with the control chip actually installed like maranda initially wanted. so in the end we got a shepered who has a star war order 66 chip in his head. and if you know anything about the chips and what it dos to the clones in star wars that would be a nightmare, espeshaly when the free willed version of shepered figures out hes chiped
for a possible me4 set in the milky way personally i want a time skip of atleast 100-600 years (600 would probably be best so we can possible get in contact with andromeda). sadly that means no shepered (unless theirs an ai cerberus version of him or you took the control ending) i would want them to be related to shepered in some way thou, but not be a pure blooded human. mass effect was alwase to human centric for me do to shepered well being a hero from earth that was barely 30 years since first contact so humans had the most to do because they were just so new.
do a mix raced shepered (race is determined off your lover in the original triligy, unless you were selibit or they died where its a something like hanna shepered had another child or unkown to him he had a brother or cusin this hole time) while the game would most likly be more internal then exsternal like with the reapers. mostly focusing on xenophobia and uplifted races like the vorchia and reminents/reamerged krogan and rachnie getting up to mischif now that their population has had time to restart, but like the rest of the galaxie not enough to be back to where they were before (the reapers did ALOT of damage and the ending might have done even more). this would also go for the quarians and geth even if their fleets were distroyed they still had secs outside their fleets be it the indipendent geth or quarians on their pilgramige. while if the machines were shut down after 100-600 years someones bound to turn them back on. they got E.M.Ped not straight up killed, as long as their cercuts are not fried their still alive just in a coma. the choices from the last game will determan their numbers. ether way the gangs took over and the vorcha spreed over that last 100-600 years and thats not a good thing
Cerberus couldn’t run a taco stand without the ground beef developing sentience and attacking everybody
True!
Bit isn’t that an accomplishment on its own 😉
Or trying to turn the beef into amorphous super soldiers.
I still like how we have those 4 side missions in ME1 that give small nuggets of Cerberus then it just explodes into this massive thing later on.
Ya I thought it was a set up for a reacuring antagonist, then nope were now working for them
Cerberus was a rogue Alliance sector in ME1 according to Admiral Hackett. This whole back story was made on the fly after the fact
It also validates why everyone hates them so much, I remember first time I ignored them, then headed to ME2 and found out that everyone hates them so very much, like pro human group sure but there was so much hate and couldn't understand why.
Then I did the Cerberus side missions and figured it out, along with the Survivor background, luring alliance soldiers to Thresher Maw nests, killing alliance admirals, experimenting on Rachni and Thorian creepers, releasing side Rachni with freighters and such, I wouldn't be surprised if all those husks of research teams and on the ships belong to Cerberus aswell.
For every successful project such as the Normandy, Lazarus and EDI. There’s a stupid one like overlord, monster soldiers and turning the entire organisation into indoctrinated reaper slaves. Bit of a mixed track record.
Also almost respreding the none queen alined Raccnie (the crazy mofos, their already weird with the queen without her their a plague) in me1. Ya restart the raccnie wars because you wanted to fuck with a dead and vary angry spieces. And that’s without the fact that they almost started a zombie plague of husks and tharim sporlings before me3 because they were fucking withe geth, a primordial plant, and reper tech.
Why for any of these. Simple
Because “fuck it” and a good dash of yolo.
Project Overlord felt like the most inhumane project Cerberus conducted for a Pro-Human group. For all their talk about being about humanity that project alone proved just how far gone the organization was even before it had fallen to the reaper's control.
This is, Cerberus and the Illusive man just were getting impatient for results, it's was Archer who decided to plug his brother into the Geth collective without the right protections.
Look at the experiments in the UNC missions from 1. They were always blinded by their own idealistic beliefs.
Wow who would have thought that for a small time the illusive man and Saren had fought together
Glad you included those creeps in Andromeda. I just hope this “mysterious benefactor” isn’t them.
The weird thing about Cerberus is it's Cell structure, as each team only answers to the illusive man and he only asks about results, each team head is under pressure to get results while not having to answer to anyone else. This leads to stealing Thorian Creeper samples to try to make humanoid soldier slaves, or child biotic experiments or plugging a savant.
It's clear the Illusive man has some form of morals, he's just willing to let some blood get spilled for the "greater good of humanity"
This is why his indoctrination lead to Cerberus flipping entirely on it's head in ME3, because he was the only one calling the shots.
He did what ever it take to protect humanity and it interests, even when he wasn't indoctrinated , cerberus gools are always been the same , the advances of humanity and securing humanity future and protecting it from alien threats , fighting the Reapers and destroying them after spending it resources and man power it will put humanity is disadvantage against the other raciss but if they find a way to control them they will win the galactic war against the other raciss and insured their own future
it's been done
What do u mean
Oh good I was worried his real name might be Jeff.
That’d be Joker lol
More please! I use these videos to help my wife get immersed in the whole ME Universe!!! :D
Cerberus is an idea an idea not so easily destroyed
ALL HAIL CERBERUS
I hate aliens.
You're killing it with these videos
Great job!
Jack was indoctrinated, albeit at weak level, during that exposure to the artifact. This same splinter cell was in existence during the prothian cycle amd was stated in ME3 by Vendetta on Thesia where he states that a cell of Prothians believed they need to dominate the Reapers.
EXCELLENT VIDEO.
OKEY!!!
@@Squidward_000 YES👍
Didn't like one bit the way Cerberus was treated in mass effect 3.
But i guess the devs needed an easy human ennemy...
I agree, should have been an option to join cerberus, or to acquire cerberus troops
@@TheWireLayer I was expecting an alliance / Cerberus pick in the last game.
But I guess it was too hard to do or maybe the devs realized that they made Cerberus Both too racist and too Al Qaeda like in the first game XD
@@aziouss2863 No. They just bit off more than they could chew and started making a bunch of concessions. Cerberus reduced to a typical bad guy org. Morinth reduced to a very lame cameo. The first living Prothean reduced to dlc.
@@aziouss2863 Strongly agree. In Mass Effect 2 It was awesome working for Cerberus. 3 just butchered It completly. What were the writers thinking ???
Well, they revived shepherd when no one else bothered, so I kinda like them , no one is saint , everyone make mistakes, I think Cerberus does more good than harm
The end justifies the means
In a way, they were responsible for saving the galaxy. At the same time the illusive man did get indocrinated like Saren.
„Cerberus should be the sword of humanity and not the dagger in our back“ was a strong Quote in ME3
Cerberus was the sword of humanity, TIM however lost his ways
For the love of sweet potatoes, give us moar lore!!
There’s plenty of lore channels out there that go into hyper detail with the back stories. ‘Mr. Hulten’ and ‘Big Dan Gaming’ to name a few. Great depth and explanations, no rushed vids.
mr hulten
Moar loar
so Jack is a tragic character since he lost his friend and lover and eventually lost his mind and try to play god by controlling reapers.
Thought jack was he ?
Next Please do the Benefactor and The Andromeda Initiative Lore
Cerberus is why ME2 is my favorite game. They bring to the games an enemy that you can disagree with, while also maybe wanting to support in certain areas - because survival. That's why Andromeda failed for me! There was no uncomfortable middle ground that could tempt you away from the Paragon path.
To make it worse, there was no Paragon or Renegade Morality system in Andromeda
Your mass effect playlist blows gamestop
And there is a reason why Ashley hates both Cerberus, and the Terra Firma movement and if you actually take the time to befriend her in ME1, you learn what that reason is and how it stems back to the end of the First-Contact War.
I was a little disappointed we never got a backstory for the illusive man. But then again it would've needed a whole spin off game to justify it. I think they should have made then game instead of Andromeda.
I'll never understand what they're were thinking with Andromeda. Here, you have this entire Galaxy with a rich lore, waiting to tell stories. And what do these genius devs decide to do? Scrap it all and go to a completely different galaxy. Dumb move.
@@user-gm4kv2my4u I have no facts behind this but I swear it was a move pushed by someone who wanted money. They forced a team to make a mass effect game as a cash grab despite the series having an ending. Not wanting to ruin what the trilogy did, the team branched it waayy off.
Taking casual tea!
Too bad we didn't get a prequel game that maybe let us play as the illusive man before he made Cerberus. I recall back-in-the-day BioWare teasing the concept a prequel game, but decided to make Andromeda instead for whatever reason.
I believe it was a poll they did on Twitter
So much missed here, read the first 3 books. Gillian graysons story is a good one
They did Cerberus dirty in ME3
"Human Supremacy" I don't have a problem with that whatsoever. Shout out to the illusive man.
It was disappointing when I could not join cerberus in ME3.. I would have
my mind is completely blown jack is the illusive man
Did Leviathan create Cerberus (via the artifact) to fight the Reaper threat? There were three Leviathan (maybe representing Cerberus, guard to the underworld)
Am I the only one who sees John Stamos every time the elusive man pops on screen 🤔
Isn't the Illusive Man Cora's father from ME Andromeda?
Jack Harper and Cora Harper
Oh brother .....
A fan theory... Highly unlikely
Why can nobody seem to pronounce Shanxi when it’s done for you in the Codex 🤣
DARPA is the past version of CERBERUS
Or Really just Me.
I myself got the impreassiom ever since we got the novel and andromeda that there was somw sort of a relationahip between eva and jack since prosumably cora harper is his daughter and the synth in me3 is named eva, maye sense to me
OMG So the accident involving kids getting powers being exposed to the zero element is his doing ?
But it got me a bit confused. Was he indoctrinated from his exposition to the artefact then or later between ME2 and 3 ?
me who plays ME 123 undermining the other races putting humanity on top
Jack needs help. He's stuck in trauma-brain.
I love how the narrator doesn't even know how to pronounce some of the in-game things because he's never played Mass Effect. Gmaespot just gave him a script and told him to read it XD
There, Earth. I Wish You Could See It Like I Do, Shepard. It’s So...Perfect.
Cerberus isn't about the facilities or the people or the money, Cerberus is ideal and idea can't be destroyed, as long theirs a threat to human existence humanity needs Cerberus
THE ILLUSIVE MAN DID NOTHING WRONG!
Cerberus did nothing wrong
Cerberus. More like.. nerds.
Here's the Cerberus lore you need to know in a single sentence:
It was originally a rouge black ops group that served as a bit more of an interesting enemy to shoot at in ME1, but was later retconned to be a giant human centric organization that took over the story like an invasive weed.
Tbh I preferred them in ME2. ME3 turned them into a joke.
Can someonetl tell me where they're getting all the concept art images from?
Shanski? you mean Shanxi?
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I don't trust Cerberus. Never.