There's Sod's law, like Corry said. There's Poe's law, which says there's no parody of extremism that's *so* extreme that *someone* won't mistake it for actual extremism (absent mitigating factors). There's Murphy's law, which points out that if there's a way for something to cause a catastrophe by going wrong, it'll do that. And then there's Cole's law, which is cabbage and mayo.
The reverse also happens, Matt Parker once tried to get a poster printed with all kinds of indicators as to what needed to be fixed, including one in the center of the poster itself as part of the poster itself. Yet, someone at the printing company painstakingly implemented/fixed all those indicators and carefully tried to reproduce what was hidden in the center of the poster.
Tattoo artists create a proof to work from and clients sign off on it. This is a contract saying "I specifically want this exact thing." So, responsibility is really in the client's hands.
Even if the artist makes a mistake that wasn't in the design, the client is pretty much stuck with it. I believe there are ways to remove a tattoo, but they're generally not worth it?
Once had an acquaintance show me her new Tattoo - the little Lion from the Lion King, with "Remember who you are" in a circle around it. Except that there was a letter missing, it read "remeber" (which was upside down). Saw that in person, later checked on a picture she posted to facebook. Decided to *never* tell her that. ...and two years later, after a bit of booze, told the story to a group of people. Which included her.
Here in Austin, Texas there was a short-lived free newspaper called "Austin Weekly" which in their second or third issue had a cover feature on Lake Austin, and on the front of that Austin-based paper, the headline in inch-and-a-half high block letters spelled the word that was their city, their subject and part of the name of the paper itself as "ASUTIN"! It made it all the way to the racks that way!
Literally saw a similar thing coming from the Dutch city of Alkmaar just a week ago or so, as I was touristing there. Got a brochure of what to do in the city, and the title of the page (in every language, so Dutch, English, German) misspelled the city name as Almaar. It was the biggest word on several pages and yet nobody had noticed. Having made similar brochures for my job before I feel the pain of the copywriter but I also feel they should've just reprinted the whole batch once they realised.
When HMAS Ballarat entered New York as a part of it's northern deployment in 2008 the banner that was proudly displayed above the wharf read "New York welcomes HMAS BALLRAT" so for the next year or so the rest of the Navy called the ship Ball Rat. Just to annoy them.
Similar to how Filk was named, a typo in an article talking about Folk music in the science fiction fandom, was misspelled as Filk, and the fans liked it, so started using it.
I was thinking maybe the typo was caused by not being so easy to read as a mirror template or stencil before applying. Then again, there are those wonderful typo examples of the word "STOP" painted on the road, clearly misspelled as SPTO and things like that...
I have a little plexiglass trophy from my high school a decade back for best performance in English where they misspelled my surname, and it's so fitting and ironic and I love it On the other couple of trophies for history and maths, they got my surname completely correct though lmao
On a tangent - my high school Sports Master (PE Teacher) was coordinating the purchase of long-sleeve skivvies for the school's team uniform, for the Ski Squad (cross-country skiing & biathlon)... except he made two errors in the order: first he had misspelled Squad as Sqaud, printed down both sleeves, across the back and in small print under the school's Crest on the left breast. And, second the order for 50, in mixed sizes from XS to 2XL, was mistaken for 500. The supplier did query both, and was told it was correct, so they arrived, and the competition suits were likewise emblazoned from then on, with every order, although quantities were strictly specified.
I was not prepared for Corry to be saying "gobby" on this podcast. For those that aren't aware, it's Australian slang for a certain sexual act. The etymology presumably comes from gobstoppers, and I'll leave it at that.
That's exactly what I thought. The trophy engraving should say something like 'NZ Amateur Debate Tournament - 1st Place'. Adding the word 'trophy' to that would be like putting the word 'car' after the model name on the back of your vehicle.
@@timthompson3569 As it happens, whomever was handling Renault's venture into the US market decided to rename the Renault 5 as the Renault LeCar. Sounds like a piss-take, but shockingly they really went with it...
When I was young and in a children's church choir, our teacher told us to sing exactly what was written. And that is why at the Christmas concert, we sang "Hark the Herald Angles Sing"
Lived in New Zealand my entire life and I've never heard of this. But, then again, I live on the main island, the big island, the better island, the South Island
Random thing to get sidetracked by but I thought the word was spelled "throuple" not thruple. As in a couple but there's three people so it's a throuple. Get on it, subtitle team!
Maybe because I am not native English speaker, but the first thing I saw is that it was an anagram of trophy. About typography, I once attended a conference where we had a font designer talking about his job and how he was once commissioned to design new fonts for a phone book and what had been guiding his work.
About the Brooklyn being typed as Brookyln & nobody noticing it.. I read an article long ago about how we read familiar words by just the first & last letter. So, if you jumble up the in-between letters, you can still read it & not notice the mistake right away. This is how adults can read much faster than children.
I felt so vindicated listening to this episode, because the first thing I wanted to know upon hearing the question was how the word in question was spelled, and it turned out that was vital to the answer
Luke, after 9/11 I worked in a chain store that ordered thousands of yard signs from China that were SUPPOSED to read 'God Bless America'. When we received them they all read 'God Bless AMERICAN'!
I can think of a few other good blow outs: Australia vs American Samoa 2002, a FIFA qualifier game, with a final score of 31-0 Geelong vs Melbourne 2011, an AFL football game, with a score of 233 to 47 Geelong vs Port Adelaide 2007, an AFL grand final, with a score of 163 to 44 Australia vs Pakistan 2002, a game of test cricket, Australia won by an innings and 198 runs
I literally misread thropy as trophy before hearing it out loud at the beginning of the video. There's the whole phenomenon where it's easy to read a word as what it's supposed to be when the letters are jumbled as long as the first and last letter are correct, so I wonder if that phenomenon contributed to that name coming about in the first place.
Also, putting a letter in the wrong place may be a reference to some of the debaters being out of place. I’ve seen a picture on the web of a “school zone” sign painted in the pavement as SHCOOL ZONE.
If you are concentrating on each letter and not the whole word, such as engraving, tattooing, painting signs on the road or signwriting, it's distressingly easy to step back at the end and find you have made a glaring mistake. There needs to be a word for this type of mistake, it's not a typo, but something more caused by focus on the wrong things. Trophy engraving is usually done on a pantograph engraver with large brass letters set in a rack and then traced with a pointer, easy to botch if you are working upside down.
Seeing the title before clicking, my first thought was "is it called Mass Debators?" (Un)fortunately, the question isn't actually phrased in a way that allows that as a possible answer.
I thought it might have something to do with the slang term meaning "angry or irritated", but a quick google search came back with no results for that slang, so I'm now questioning if that's something unique to my family?
Answer before watching the rest of the video: First thought was "thropy" is just the word "trophy" with the h in the wrong place. So maybe back when they did the competition for the first time they misspelled that by accident (either on the trophy itself or on the banners advertising the event)? And maybe the people thought it was so funny that the next year they did it again, this time on purpose - and then it just became tradition that they would always hand out a "thropy" to the winners?
i suspect the typo was enabled by that phenomenon where seeing/saying a word too many times makes it look and sound wrong. People who frequently engrave trophies probably have trouble seeing trophy as a real word.
Do you think they just call it "thropy" and not "the thropy" so that when a guy named Phil wins, and they take a picture, they call it "Phil an' Thropy"?
I mean, my own tattoo is misspelled despite being spelled correctly on the template... It really is easy 😂😂😂 (In fairness, my tattoo is in a conlang the artist doesn't know)
Police are not giving you any rights when you are arrested. You have the right to remain silent at all times. The police read your rights for their benefit, not yours.
Australian here. Wtf is “gobby”? Yes we do have some local idioms; as does every culture, but they generally only last 1-2 generations, but *outsiders* don’t really recognise the evolution of Australian slang or that certain terms are only used by particular cultural groups (and I am guessing similar in NZ) .
Spoilers ahead: … Possible origin: … First misspelled "Tropy" or "Throphy" in a draft, so someone tells them "oh you need to add / remove an ⟨h⟩", so it ended up as "Thropy".
There's Sod's law, like Corry said. There's Poe's law, which says there's no parody of extremism that's *so* extreme that *someone* won't mistake it for actual extremism (absent mitigating factors). There's Murphy's law, which points out that if there's a way for something to cause a catastrophe by going wrong, it'll do that. And then there's Cole's law, which is cabbage and mayo.
There's Cunninghams law, which says you are always wrong on the internet
There's also Rule 34 "If it exists, there is porn of it." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_34
cole's law🤣🤣🤣
@@bomoose 😉
Coles law 😂😂😂
My high school debate team was called "The Master Debaters", the school news anchors always smiled when announcing them!
I mean, there's no way that name wasn't on purpose.
I suppose “mass debaters” would have been too on the nose.
I hear you were cunning linguists.
I don't get it. Could you please explain?
@@error-42 say it really fast and it sounds like a certain solitary activity...
The reverse also happens, Matt Parker once tried to get a poster printed with all kinds of indicators as to what needed to be fixed, including one in the center of the poster itself as part of the poster itself. Yet, someone at the printing company painstakingly implemented/fixed all those indicators and carefully tried to reproduce what was hidden in the center of the poster.
I remember that one, but I wouldn't have made the connection with this.
got a link on that? i dont remember that and i've been watching his channel for what feels like forever now
@@TheScarvigit’s on his second channel. Called something like “the printers fixed my tour posters”
My dyslexic brain automatically thought that it was trophy spelt incorrectly.
Same. Got that one immediately
Yeah seeing it in writing made it more obvious than it would have been if just hearing it out loud
Tattoo artists create a proof to work from and clients sign off on it. This is a contract saying "I specifically want this exact thing." So, responsibility is really in the client's hands.
Possibly literally, if the tattoo is on their hands
Even if the artist makes a mistake that wasn't in the design, the client is pretty much stuck with it. I believe there are ways to remove a tattoo, but they're generally not worth it?
"Now he's gettin' a tattoo, yeah, he's gettin' ink done.
He asked for a thirteen, but they drew a thirty-one"
He's pretty fly ......
Pretty fly for a thropy
Once had an acquaintance show me her new Tattoo - the little Lion from the Lion King, with "Remember who you are" in a circle around it. Except that there was a letter missing, it read "remeber" (which was upside down). Saw that in person, later checked on a picture she posted to facebook.
Decided to *never* tell her that.
...and two years later, after a bit of booze, told the story to a group of people. Which included her.
INK? It's INK and not IT? Wow, TIL...
@@Garagantua How did she react?
I once tried to start a debating contest, but we couldn't agree where to do it.
Here in Austin, Texas there was a short-lived free newspaper called "Austin Weekly" which in their second or third issue had a cover feature on Lake Austin, and on the front of that Austin-based paper, the headline in inch-and-a-half high block letters spelled the word that was their city, their subject and part of the name of the paper itself as "ASUTIN"! It made it all the way to the racks that way!
Literally saw a similar thing coming from the Dutch city of Alkmaar just a week ago or so, as I was touristing there. Got a brochure of what to do in the city, and the title of the page (in every language, so Dutch, English, German) misspelled the city name as Almaar. It was the biggest word on several pages and yet nobody had noticed. Having made similar brochures for my job before I feel the pain of the copywriter but I also feel they should've just reprinted the whole batch once they realised.
When HMAS Ballarat entered New York as a part of it's northern deployment in 2008 the banner that was proudly displayed above the wharf read "New York welcomes HMAS BALLRAT" so for the next year or so the rest of the Navy called the ship Ball Rat. Just to annoy them.
Similar to how Filk was named, a typo in an article talking about Folk music in the science fiction fandom, was misspelled as Filk, and the fans liked it, so started using it.
Pwned
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I was thinking maybe the typo was caused by not being so easy to read as a mirror template or stencil before applying. Then again, there are those wonderful typo examples of the word "STOP" painted on the road, clearly misspelled as SPTO and things like that...
That worked for like 5 seconds since TH-cam now rotates through comments 🙃
You should have written spoiler idher
I once drove through a road junction with a stop sign but on the road it said SOTP
PID. I went over a PID once. It wasn't too deep.
@@korbindallas4552 PID NI DAOR ?
The West Auckland one?
@@JimC Near Colchester, Essex, England.
This reminded me of the Swansea "No entry for heavy goods vehicles" road sign, that in Welsh displayed an out of office email autoresponse...
"We named it 'Thorpy'. NO REGERTS"
*Thropy
If this had happened in Australia, I'd have the perfect opportunity to make an Ian Thorpe joke.
*RAGRETS
The Prid of Ankh Morpork...
Everything he touched turned to Glod.
Ah, a pune.
@@qwertyTRiG Ah yes, or play on words.
It's a lot more obvious when you see the text of the question.
Tom looking spiffy with the new wardrobe!
I have a little plexiglass trophy from my high school a decade back for best performance in English where they misspelled my surname, and it's so fitting and ironic and I love it
On the other couple of trophies for history and maths, they got my surname completely correct though lmao
Towards the end there, I was thinking - oh, maybe an amateur anagram contest!
On a tangent - my high school Sports Master (PE Teacher) was coordinating the purchase of long-sleeve skivvies for the school's team uniform, for the Ski Squad (cross-country skiing & biathlon)... except he made two errors in the order: first he had misspelled Squad as Sqaud, printed down both sleeves, across the back and in small print under the school's Crest on the left breast. And, second the order for 50, in mixed sizes from XS to 2XL, was mistaken for 500. The supplier did query both, and was told it was correct, so they arrived, and the competition suits were likewise emblazoned from then on, with every order, although quantities were strictly specified.
I was not prepared for Corry to be saying "gobby" on this podcast. For those that aren't aware, it's Australian slang for a certain sexual act. The etymology presumably comes from gobstoppers, and I'll leave it at that.
Comes from the same thing as gobstopper, in the meaning of "gob". Corry saying it just ruined me for a moment
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Why did they feel the need to engrave Trophy on the trophy? Seems like my dad labeling the Tupperware with "Tupperware".
I mean, it's probably more along the lines of "1st Annual AuWaWe Debating Thropy". ;)
Probably in context, like "North Island Novice Tournament Championship Thropy"
ISO 9000
That's exactly what I thought. The trophy engraving should say something like 'NZ Amateur Debate Tournament - 1st Place'. Adding the word 'trophy' to that would be like putting the word 'car' after the model name on the back of your vehicle.
@@timthompson3569 As it happens, whomever was handling Renault's venture into the US market decided to rename the Renault 5 as the Renault LeCar. Sounds like a piss-take, but shockingly they really went with it...
5:47 humans read words basically all at once, so our brains don't work all that great when we're working letter by letter. hence misspelled tattoos.
Hmm... "Police sponsored by NBC/Universal". Could be worse - "Police sponsored by Disney"
That was a weird bit all around.
It's called that either because the engraver didn't give a f*** or he was told to do as the instructions say.
This is a David Mitchell rant, that sign makers print people's typos for repeat business because they didn't pay for the extra spell check
When I was young and in a children's church choir, our teacher told us to sing exactly what was written. And that is why at the Christmas concert, we sang "Hark the Herald Angles Sing"
Lived in New Zealand my entire life and I've never heard of this. But, then again, I live on the main island, the big island, the better island, the South Island
Oh, dear, it's a question with a funny word. I can smell the laughs.
I kindo immidiatly got that is was a misspelling of Trophy, but easier when seeing the question written.
Random thing to get sidetracked by but I thought the word was spelled "throuple" not thruple. As in a couple but there's three people so it's a throuple. Get on it, subtitle team!
Maybe because I am not native English speaker, but the first thing I saw is that it was an anagram of trophy.
About typography, I once attended a conference where we had a font designer talking about his job and how he was once commissioned to design new fonts for a phone book and what had been guiding his work.
About the Brooklyn being typed as Brookyln & nobody noticing it..
I read an article long ago about how we read familiar words by just the first & last letter. So, if you jumble up the in-between letters, you can still read it & not notice the mistake right away. This is how adults can read much faster than children.
This made me think of a classmate who got his nickname from a misspelling of his lastname in a newspaper.
There was an advert that played before this video for the new M. Night Shyamalanb film called "Trap", which seems somehow appropriate...
There are lots of misspellings on the Stanley Cup.
I felt so vindicated listening to this episode, because the first thing I wanted to know upon hearing the question was how the word in question was spelled, and it turned out that was vital to the answer
My first and immediate guess was, they're amateurs even at spelling "trophy"? Ergo, "Thropy"?
Luke, after 9/11 I worked in a chain store that ordered thousands of yard signs from China that were SUPPOSED to read 'God Bless America'. When we received them they all read 'God Bless AMERICAN'!
OK, I did work this one out.
This is what happens when you get your trophy from the same people who misunderstand printed cake instructions.
It's like how Top Gear wrote Brain and not Brian on their trophy for fastest driver
I can think of a few other good blow outs:
Australia vs American Samoa 2002, a FIFA qualifier game, with a final score of 31-0
Geelong vs Melbourne 2011, an AFL football game, with a score of 233 to 47
Geelong vs Port Adelaide 2007, an AFL grand final, with a score of 163 to 44
Australia vs Pakistan 2002, a game of test cricket, Australia won by an innings and 198 runs
As names for a prize go it's quite a nice sounding one. 😀
Cathay Pacific once painted a typo on one of their planes
There are a number of typos on the Stanley Cup, including one time spelling "Boston" with Q's.
Many engravings are still done with machines using a mechanical device to copy from a stencil. Easy to have a literal error with that.
I don't know if this is true everywhere, but computer engraving is MORE expensive than hand engraving at the local gift shop chain.
I immediately thought "trophy"... mostly because I'm always mistyping things.
I assume that the Trophy came from a trophy store.... which sells and engraves trophys...
Now I'm disappointed the South Island one's not called 'The Stroppy'
I literally misread thropy as trophy before hearing it out loud at the beginning of the video. There's the whole phenomenon where it's easy to read a word as what it's supposed to be when the letters are jumbled as long as the first and last letter are correct, so I wonder if that phenomenon contributed to that name coming about in the first place.
At least they didn't call its mass debate. Giggity.
Also, putting a letter in the wrong place may be a reference to some of the debaters being out of place.
I’ve seen a picture on the web of a “school zone” sign painted in the pavement as SHCOOL ZONE.
1:44 No, thats called Unicorn Hunting
Better a debate team than a spelling competition.
Thropy = one more than a copy
If you are concentrating on each letter and not the whole word, such as engraving, tattooing, painting signs on the road or signwriting, it's distressingly easy to step back at the end and find you have made a glaring mistake.
There needs to be a word for this type of mistake, it's not a typo, but something more caused by focus on the wrong things.
Trophy engraving is usually done on a pantograph engraver with large brass letters set in a rack and then traced with a pointer, easy to botch if you are working upside down.
I suggest the phrase "tree-spelling". As in, your spelling has missed the forest because you're so focused on the trees.
I competed at this tournament a few times at uni. Small world.
Seeing the title before clicking, my first thought was "is it called Mass Debators?" (Un)fortunately, the question isn't actually phrased in a way that allows that as a possible answer.
I thought it might have something to do with the slang term meaning "angry or irritated", but a quick google search came back with no results for that slang, so I'm now questioning if that's something unique to my family?
2:52 As a subscriber of How Ridiculous, I can definitely confirm this to be true. 😅
Concentrated on the pronunciation, but spelled out, my first thought was ... a spoiler
Plot twist, the trophy for the amateurs with little experience in debating is made by amateurs with little experience in trophy engraving.
Answer before watching the rest of the video:
First thought was "thropy" is just the word "trophy" with the h in the wrong place. So maybe back when they did the competition for the first time they misspelled that by accident (either on the trophy itself or on the banners advertising the event)? And maybe the people thought it was so funny that the next year they did it again, this time on purpose - and then it just became tradition that they would always hand out a "thropy" to the winners?
Reply after video:
Get in!
Swell Entertainment shout-out!
I wonder if there is a wavy red line below the word on the Thropy
Toms really got a history with mispronouncing Kiwi names, Im glad he still continues that tradition
I can't believe I got it in the first second.
i suspect the typo was enabled by that phenomenon where seeing/saying a word too many times makes it look and sound wrong. People who frequently engrave trophies probably have trouble seeing trophy as a real word.
Spoiler Alert: 4 people talk about a question while sharing laughs.
So ... when you win ... you get the Thropy Throphy :-)
Or rather the Thropy Trophy. Or was that a joke I didn't get?
It's a debate, not a spelling competition.
My guess was that the 'amateurs' were kindergarten kids, and the trophy was made by them so that was why it was missspelled
Do you think they just call it "thropy" and not "the thropy" so that when a guy named Phil wins, and they take a picture, they call it "Phil an' Thropy"?
It would have been more fun if it was for a spelling bee :D
Can't spell "typography" without a "typo", so...
Did they misspell "trophy" as "thropy" at some point and it became tradition?
I mean, my own tattoo is misspelled despite being spelled correctly on the template... It really is easy 😂😂😂
(In fairness, my tattoo is in a conlang the artist doesn't know)
It's a debate about werewolves!
What bothers me is why would the word...[spoiler below]
trophy be engraved on a trophy?
Does everyone who competes to get a Precipitation Thropy?
a misspell of trophy? I just started watching, dont know the answer.
2 of the ads during the podcast were for betterhelp :/
Police are not giving you any rights when you are arrested. You have the right to remain silent at all times. The police read your rights for their benefit, not yours.
Hey Tom, regarding translation errors... Water Sheep
I hope if you read that it gets a laugh
If only it was a spelling bee.
Australian here. Wtf is “gobby”? Yes we do have some local idioms; as does every culture, but they generally only last 1-2 generations, but *outsiders* don’t really recognise the evolution of Australian slang or that certain terms are only used by particular cultural groups (and I am guessing similar in NZ) .
Like the anti-immigration window sticker that reads "Your in America, speak English."
sounds kinda similar to Xnopyt
That's a very NZ spelling mistake too.
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Fun fact, I'm dyslexic, so when I read that word for the first time, I actually read it as Trophy instead of Thropy.
has to be said, of all the words ending in thropy, philanthropy was not the top of my list... (that would be lycanthropy and misanthropy respectively)
Did not expect Jordan here
I'd be amazed to see Katie Price on here.
She's been on before!
Could have been worse. Could have been a spelling bee thropy.
Maybe they let a Amateur engraver do the work for the Amateur debate team.
could it be a Maori anagram ?
Too bad it wasn't a spelling bee.
Doesn’t throuple have an o? Rare subtitle gaffe
Is this sped up? The tempo seems cocainish.
My immediate thought was that it had to do with werewolves.
Like Ann Thrope? - the girl with extra bite . . . (#'So - fangs for the mammary, . . .'# : )
Why is part of the answer given in title? Question or early part of discussion didn't have any hint that it's a debating competition.
"...university debating societies gather annually for a competition..."
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Possible origin:
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First misspelled "Tropy" or "Throphy" in a draft, so someone tells them "oh you need to add / remove an ⟨h⟩", so it ended up as "Thropy".