The fact that they're making a movie before their game is even done speaks volumes, not to mention taking advantage of and harassing smaller creators...
Right? They bullied Ekrcoaster until he gave up on animation altogether for a while. He was 16 and saw through their predatory contract. So they used their animation Sins channel to hit him with 5 or 6 massively insulting videos. Then on the apology, they dodged everything. Blamed it on Animation Sins (owned and run by the same people) The actual devs deserve money, but the owners are shady. Real shady.
The irony of POPPY (EDIT) Playtime is that the game has critical and valid viewpoints on the cruelty of corporatism while being a soul-less example of it itself. What form of modernism is this? Postposthastemodernism?
@Fea†her i don't care. Parents raising kids who bully people like this even up until 18 should be ashamed. They're using their age as a defence but it's not like you're magically gifted with a good conscience once you turn 18.
"We were kids so it doesn't count! LOL!" ...Thats not how it works, bro. Not at all. You all bullied this kid. Now that you've achieved fame, you're worried about the real implications. You're not sorry for what you did. You're sorry because you got caught. Hopefully people hear about this and realize you've plagiarized another artists work. If it goes to court, its gonna be bad. Real bad...
also, if the people who bullied that animator were really 17.... I'M 17 right now. I know DAMN well that's not how you treat ANYONE, so using age as an excuse is absolute bullshit. We're almost adults. Not damn 12 years old, which is how they were acting. The "we're minors" is them trying to be like "you can't call us about bc we're kids" you are not a kid, you're 17. You know the right way to act at 17... especially if you're in charge of things and projects as big as these.
There are children/teenagers who commit crimes, knowing that what they're doing is a crime, because they can use being under 18 to get away with it. Not the same thing, but the point is that its very well possible the people who were harassing ekrcoaster knew better at the time and are now using age as an excuse for past actions. it doesn't really matter how old they were, they did know they were being assholes. What they probably didn't think about was the consequences, to ekrcoaster as well as themselves
"We were young, we didn't know any better when we were bullying a kid." "We were inexperienced at running a company, we didn't know we shouldn't treat our employees like shit." Only two points of data on the line, but is anyone else detecting a pattern here?
I expected this to be 50 minutes of NFT talk... kinda wish it was just that. Those Discord screenshots are hard to look at. Just imagine being forced to suffer in silence because a bigger channel you once loved decided to ruin your career as a joke. Literally, I am fuming. This dude should take the devs to court.
even if he did took the devs to court, there's a chance that he wouldn't win because the games infested with little kids. it's crazy how bigger people always get away with this bs
I posted this reply somewhere else, but it's basically the same comment. Tbh, as someone who couldn't escape an abusive household until adulthood and thought that was normal... I disagree. I was a scumbag at 17, and now I am not a scumbag. I learned better only as an adult because I went off to college, escaped for a while, got therapy, etc. The real issue shouldn't be that. It should be the focus -- do you focus on taking accountability, or do you focus on excuses? The minor excuse flies to me... if the focus is on personal accountability. Btw, not saying they're off the hook. NFTs suck, bullying sucks.
@@LilyCelebiFlipnote I was physically beaten frequently as a child and I still didn't bully anyone. If anything it made me more susceptible to bullying. I was bullied at home and bullied at school there was no escape from it but I never once took it out on anyone else.
@@trashpanda3544 Sorry for that long ass reply. (I ended up deleting it because this summary is better and I doubt anyone'd read that.) tl;dr: It doesn't excuse accountability, but it really isn't as simple as "bully bad, everyone else good." Villains reach over into heroism and vice versa, and it isn't so black and white. Maturity shouldn't be fully expected all the time of minors in all aspects, either. ...but I am talking on a general level because that's what the comment was talking on. In this specific case, we're actually in agreement with the accountability stuff. Their focus was not on accountability and making positive change or amends. It was on making excuses. "We were just minors!" was the focus, and that in itself is the problem, I think.
The audacity of Mob to shamelessly shill merch for an unfinished game to the extent they are really makes me wish that this flops HARD. It would be one thing if they were a group of friends who wanted to make games, but it's obvious all they care about is turning Playtime into a money printer. Then they go and harass Ekrcoaster and offer a fake ass "apology" without owning up to anything because that means bad publicity which means less money.
The game is literally a soul-less attempt to grab kids' attention. They saw how much money FNAF was making and started development before they lost their boner. It's designed to be as appealing to kids as possible. They literally could not be more aggressive in the way they monetizing this unfinished game. it's disgusting.
I disagree somewhat, I want the game to actually succeed but the merchandising to flop. Remember, there is a whole team working their very hardest on the game, so please don't try to group them with the shillers and the merchandising sellers.
Your mention of FNAF and Poppy Playtime essentially being for kids got me thinking. FNAF wasn't originally MADE for kids... But then it kept on going and got so popular with kids they started heavily marketing towards them with merch and the games became less scary. Poppy Playtime is a perfect example of a horror game that's specifically made for kids- that is ALSO made to get money. Like, based on how the creators content before the game was (and still is), this checks out. They already have a LOT of merch and made NFTs off of it. FNAF didn't even have merch that early on... The merch for Poppy Playtime is SO expensive too???? Like good god, that's more proof.
Same thing that happened with Star Wars. It wasn't until the 3rd movie that it suddenly shifted to have kid-friendly tones and now it's the only series once made for an older audience that heavily markets toys like 80's action movies once did.
@@Verasoul Its really is a deep shame this happens to some nerdy mediums and some game titles. Not everything needs to be pissing rainbows and a disgusting amount of optimism. This new generation of media is way to scared of going into darker and negative concepts and loves gushing with toxic positivity in everything and MCU level cheesy jokes and one liners.
Poppy Playtime isn't made for kids, the game has gore in it, the only good part about MOB games is that they're changing it to be less kid-friendly, i really hope that it doesn't being marketing towards kids, i honestly don't care if kids get nightmares bc they watch Poppy Playtime playthroughs.
"Minors being minors" idk man I knew not to fucking harrass people when I was 17. Boys like these dont typically change, because they *like* to make fun of people, that's not gonna stop because of backlash especially if they've remained in the same internet circles, theres frequently no space to mature there. Not to judge someone's future on the way the behave as a minor. But I really cant see the developers being suddenly good people now that they are adults, especially with the way they handled the "apology " and just their game in general. Every part of their actions paints a picture of people who dont care about hurting others as long as they get entertainment from it, and only create games for cash grabs there seems to be very little integrity both business wise and personally
i knew when I was fckin 5 that it wasnt nice to hit or be mean to other kids mask off moment when he says "aaah kids are always just as nasty as we were" no, no they arent
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
The "hehe" 's genuinely annoyed me, the passive aggressiveness, that's just such an asshole move, I hope this isn't happening to any other smaller creators who are too afraid to speak up because this harassment (especially when it's a MINOR) is just fucking evil.
Poppy Playtime clearly seems to have one goal. Not to make an interesting game, not to revolutionize the “horror” genre, not to be genuine, but simply make as much money as possible. The game reeks of corporate greed. Which is sad since it does have potential
Saying “indie devs will save video games industries” will not age well. Yes, I know making games is expensive, and effort to make them good. I’ve given them props because it ain’t a pixelated game
The developers not removing the NFTs from their store after the backlash is a clear indication that their apology was pure bullshit, and they weren't sorry at all.
Another really odd thing about Poppy Playtime itself is the copyrighted pieces of media/audio in the files of the game. Some examples include samples of music from Portal, Everywhere At The End Of Time, Resident Evil, etc. As well as the amount of cut content left over in the game, it kind of seems like the development of the game wasn't a smooth ride EDIT: There’s also music of the train crash scene from Half-Life: Alyx
Lol you don’t even know half of it. I was helping fix bugs during chapter twos launch and it was a mess. The devs left in a developer build with the shipped game on accident. They also pushed a patch a day after launch that would “fix crashes and settings” (it didn’t) and ended up pushing the update without including the packaged unreal project file which made it impossible to launch the game. It was definitely an experience but overall, the actual devs are genuinely good people. I’m not sure about the higher ups that are likely responsible for most of the awful aspects of their marketing but the devs are awesome.
Did they actually use Everywhere at the end of time? I saw twitch comments on MoistCritikal's playthrough mentioning it sounds like that album. Plus it sounded so familiar to me!
That argument works assuming you've apologized and one of 2 things is true: 1. You're not benefiting from the shitty things you did 2. You've worked/working to make whole the ppl you hurt Neither of these is true for the Poppy's ppl.
Did you cancel Dream for his edgy edits, then? Please stay in Twitter. The only thing I wouldn't consider MOB Games of being free of consequences is the Circus Baby situation.
@Eroshap98 Honestly, the only argument I have is him cheating. Dream was probably 14 by the time he made racist jokes -- I feel like I should regret anything I did before 16 years (just right now), honestly, so I would think 16 would be the age you'd be mature enough to have a basic idea of what's right and what's wrong.
@@PuppyFromTheAlt I mean, personally I wasn't referring to Dream. Nor was I aware of any drama he was involved in as of writing the comment; I don't even watch Dream's content much less use Twitter. The whole "it was in the past" and "we were only young and dumb" can only go so far is what I meant. I was mainly thinking of other past dramas involving this sort of content getting slapped with a "we were just kids" line and that line is constantly being said in these sort of situations where it sounds more like an excuse than an actual point. But you do make a valid point with ages and how people should start regretting their actions prior to being 16 because that's when they start to wisen up a bit. But it also makes the situation between MOB devs and Ekr even worse if you consider the fact that the owner was 17 while Ekr was only 15, if not younger, during that whole disgusting mess. (Sorry for the lengthy reply.)
@@PuppyFromTheAlt you would think. I don’t watch Dream or anyone he associates with, but you can’t just speak for him like that. If he hasn’t spoke on it yet, then he’s avoiding it for a reason. There are many adults that still throw around slurs like that and are blatantly racist (not claiming he is), therefore this “id imagine people regret things by the time they’re 16” argument is incredibly weak and not factually based.
Poppy's playtime is just uninspired "Child horror" mulch. Their marketing strategy is to have kids ask their parents for their credit cards to buy their crappy products.
_Poppy Playtime wasn't even that scary, Huggy Wuggy was slower than I thought and it didn't intimidate me much, Mommy Long Legs at least is scarier than Huggy since she's bigger and faster_
I watched a tiktok compilation of Poppy Playtime stuff here on YT since the thumbnail had well made fanart and I needed inspiration. The video was crappy edits made by children, gacha shit, a weird thing where some guy "voices" BF from FNF (literally sings dialogue with a gross autotune shrill) with footage of an FNF mod of Poppy Playtime. The community is almost 80% kids, with the percent of fans on the internet being 70% kids. I dont like the game but cmon, I cant even get some good fan content??
Horror games for children aren't a bad thing inherently, but the problem is when Poppys Playtime pretends like that isn't what it's doing. It makes sense from a business perspective, market to the largest audience possible and you'll get the largest audience possible. From a consumer perspective though, it feels like we're being taken advantage of.
"The youngest of us was 14-" I'm sorry, was the 14 year old the toxic dude that was berating him the whole time? Speak for yourself. They may have been minors, but even 14 isn't *that* young. Anyone 14+ with a brain knows right from wrong and knows what bullying is. They were literally being cruel headasses and trying to just barely apologize because all their shit came to light. We WeRe JuSt A bUnCh Of TeEnS stfu. A corporate apology if we've ever seen one indeed 🙄 And the worst part about it is that this is a perfect example of why you need to be careful about how you treat people. From what Ekrcoaster shared, it does seem like there were times that he was really suicidal and these dudes just made it worse. We could have easily never heard about this had Ekrcoaster succeeded in taking his life. And they better be glad it didn't happen, otherwise that would've been blood on their hands.
ima admit the whole we were young and dumb could be made but there is a reason why these cases don't fly cuz the whole "WeRe JuSt A bUnCh Of TeEnS stfu" basically means they didn't grown to change their perspectives or understand its wrong and still fully agree with those actions they did when they were teens. IF they truly regretted and changed they wouldnt say things like that to justify it but rather fully admit it was wrong but now they changed their mind. Seriously i don't know anyone who would buy that shit corporate apology, where their only upset that they got caught and honestly idk why they think just cuz your a minor you can be excused off anything, if the crime is serious enough especially almost costing someones life. ITS NOT ONLY NOT EXCUSABLE BUT IT MAKES IT WORSE THAT THEY STILL PROB DONT SEE WHAT THEY DID WRONG OR JUST DONT CARE???? bruh
I cried when I thought I hurt people when I was 5, 5 year old me knew bullying and hurting people like this is wrong. Teens should for sure know better
Personally, I was never a big fan of Poppy Playtime when it initially debuted, mainly because I thought it was just gonna be another fad like Hello Neighbor, Baldis Basics, and Bendy and the Ink Machine, but the moment I heard of the movie deal, that was when a big red flag hit off in my head. When Five Nights at Freddy's got its movie adaptation announced, the third game had been out for a month and at the time, the series was considered concluded. Here, the game isn't even complete and they are ALREADY announcing a movie? that's what caused me to dig deeper and then I found out about the plagiarism allegations, the NFT debacle, and the developers shady past. Say what you want about FNAF and Scott Cawthon, but at least the FNAF games didn't start as a Money Making Merch Machine, they were a last hurrah of game development from a man who was going to give up, and Scott Cawthon (for the most part) seems like a good guy. Poppy Playtime on the other hand seems like it was made to be a merch machine first and a game second, and the developers, from what i've seen, seem like they are nothing more than greedy scum who aren't afraid to step on anyone to get what they want.
The poppy playtime game is really good but I think if they wanted to make a movie they should probably start after chapter 3 and not announcing it on chapter 1 like bro what? Also the devs deserve the credit for the game they are the true giga chads the owners just really bad people I don't support them.
@@notstebey583 I’m sorry but the game is kinda just bad and bland. It’s a copy of so many other games with such little soul. Like someone else said, the hand thing is really the only unique thing. Bendy and the Ink Machine maybe devolved a bit, but it built up pretty good, had a really cool environment and artstyle with an ehh story, and while the mechanics weren’t very interesting, it was definitely engaging. Poppy Playtime is set in an abandoned toy factory (kind of like Bendy’s abandoned studio), with one big bad monster guy following you (kind of like Bendy himself), you walk around with very little and exploration is more about the environment (kind of like Bendy’s exploration), I could go on. It’s VERY much an unoriginal cash grab. I hate that people call it anything even remotely decent.
I saw like a 4 year old girl describing gameplay mechanics of this game in quite the detailed fashion and i was honestly impressed. At the age of 5 i was scared of the first autoscroller level in Super Mario bros 3.
I'm not sure if I'm just bad at getting good, but I only began getting to the end of videogames at like 13-15 years old. I finished Sonic 3 at 16 years old -- right now. I don't know how does this work.
@@PuppyFromTheAlt I think I started getting good at it at like... 9-10? I've quite a few games since then. This is actually kind of a strange phenomena, what makes someone good at games?
@@PuppyFromTheAlt Nah, it makes sense, I'd only finished 2 games by the time I was 13. My little brother just turned 12 and is about to finish his first videogame
Well, I think I would be concerned that a 5 year old child is having interest in horror game characters. They are not emotionaly mature enough for this type of content at this age.
So, 2 things about the ekercoaster situation id like to note: 1) as someone who’s 18 years old, not much older than zach claims to be, the difference between a 15 year old to a 17/18 year old is much more immense than you give it credit for. Were not full adults yet, but we are much more mentally mature. A 17 yo harassing a 15 yo like this shouldnt be just treated like a feud between minors. There is a definite difference between the two, and that is not ok. 2) the animation sins situation reminds me of various other examples of people asking someone to stop harassing them. This was a while ago, but ive seen screenshots of someone making a legitimate request for someone to stop making videos over them out of fear of getting doxxed, and the person harassing them decided to show it in their next video. People like this are legitimate pieces of utter shit
I totally agree with point 1! I am currently 19, and the difference between a 17 year old and a 15 year old is soooo wide in their developmental stages. I think in America, it has been unfortunately normalized to lump all of the teenage years together, when the reality is that there are very large differences in maturity level between them. At 17, most are looking into colleges/careers, driving, working, and graduating high school. At 15, you're lucky if you can get your driving permit in most states, and you can't legally consent to most contracts or medical things without parental approval. Such a difference, and I wish this had been pointed out in the video a little more!
@@conanhochhalter2650 yeah! At 15 i barely even fully understood what i wanted to do in life. At 17 i took 2 ap exams specifically for college and the specific field i want to go into. Theres a huge difference between me then and me now
@@conanhochhalter2650 “A 17 yo harassing a 15 yo like this shouldn’t be just treated like a feud between minors” Its a measly 2 years fam, shit ain’t that deep goddamn 💀💀💀 The difference between those two is practically non-existent wtf you talking about, y’all probably got daddy issues or autism that makes you hyper focus on every little thing in your life to the point you cry on the computer thinking about the shit you were doing on the computer 2-3 years ago🗿
@@Sin_Doog I do have autism actually, and that doesn't make my point any less valid! two years doesn't matter when you're an adult, sure, but two years matters A LOT when you are under the age of 20, as the teenage years are some of the most active developmental years. This means that a "measly 2 years" of teenage development causes more change to your behavior than even 10 years once you are over the age of 25. I know me typing this out was pointless as I'm sure you're pretty rooted in your opinion, but I just figured I'd throw some fact out there. I will now disingage.
As someone whose been every age up until 21, this shit was just assholish. Like idk how everyone exist but I would have avoided the fuck outta people like that. Probably why the reason only social media I used was TH-cam. This is kinda just morally wrong, even for young teens.
Nobody even noticed the wording of their apology lmao, It's literally "I'm offended by the claim I'm putting into your mouth right now that you said my employees were involved in my plagiarism. How dare you, my employees who I dragged into this discussion had nothing to do with it. Oh, also I did bad things in my past, that's all. I totally took down those videos when I realized I might be wrong for doing that, a couple minutes ago." There wasn't a single word of apology to their "apology", nor was there a moment of self reflection. He knows exactly what he did and he's hoping to get away with not apologizing just to spite the guy. What a massive head gaming wanker.
Is accused of plagiarism > "why would you say my employees support plagiarism. They dont, they work super hard, they would never do that I know them very well and they wouldn't do anything bad ever."- he dodges the blame by making up another accusation lol
I think the most upsetting fact about this all is that many people and content creators will remain oblivious to this all and will still throw money at them until they get tangled on a big inevitable scandal. Which is slightly justified since the game is pretty much serviceable.
Fortunately a popular horror game focused channel called 'John Wolfe' decided to not play chapter 2 and voiced his concern and aversion to the company's actions in his latest video.
@@TempestaDominus I have seen people only either voice their concern or keep playing the game, never both. Idk who that guy is, so pardon for not being on the same page.
poppy's playtime has brainwashed children so much that there's this one kid in my neighborhood who had been begging me for the hands in the game because i have a 3d printer, this kid would come to my house at 7am so he could ask for them. I informed his parents to control their child (a little harsh but this had been going on for weeks so i couldn't handle it anymore) thank god they understood and told the kid to not do it. I don't blame the kid but that story alone shows that monetization can brainwash kids
As an artist myself, if a younger artist saw my drawings and wanted to mimic them, I'd be flattered honestly. That's the greatest honour a creative type can receive. If they're copying me too much, I'd just politely ask them not to in private and move on. It's not offensive for someone to be inspired by your creations.
Did you miss the part where they bullied the kid for years beforehand and turned the maybe-plagiarized game into a vapid merch moneycow afterwards, or are you referring to something else?
Honestly it's often said sarcastically these days, but imitation really is just the highest form of flattery. That someone would be so engaged with something that I've produced that they want to make art, fiction, etc around it would melt my heart. It really does speak to the kind of people they were (and likely still are) that they reacted in such a way.
As an artist myself, I FUCKING HATE when people copy my style even just a LITTLE. If I found you were imitating me down to a point I would ruthlessly destroy you if I had the resources available.
Poppy Playtime feels like a game that was entirely designed in a board room meeting. Also it's pretty fuckin' rich that the channel called "Animation Sins" posting videos titled "Everything wrong with X" is accusing someone else of copying them.
I often see mobile gacha game ads and think "what a shame, this is a neat art style wasted on an obvious corporate cash grab." I never knew someone would manage to pull off an indie version of this
in peak Irony, some Mobile Gacha like Genshin, Fate Grand Order, Arknights and others do get decent stories. ...still a gacha for milking money, but they get good writters.
Poppy Playtime reminds me a lot of Evertale, in a very detached and cosmic kind of way Evertale has been putting out extremely false ads, making it look like a creepy pokemon-esque RPG horror game, but it’s actually a shitty gacha cash grab Poppy Playtime is a horror game, but it’s marketing and merchandise is so directed towards children that it’s barely recognizable as an actual horror game.
@@RADSPEON especially what evertale does is technically illegal since its false advertising on a paid product so yeah its gonna blow up if they keep this up and i hope it does
sadly it is what it is. I know a lot of awesome devs that started out making cool assets for mobile games simply because a)it pays the bills and b)they dont have the full range of expertise needed to create a game yet. We all gotta start somewhere right? It's not all gloom though, it creates jobs for starting artists, and establishes a gaming industry in countries where there was previously none
@@bodgmasterxionobst3r983 i hope that shit never exist, video games movies never work well if not made by good hands, and scott is not a good hand for movie, lets be honest
@@killrama2222 mmm well Arcane was good, ik it's not a movie but I feel like episodes/series of a game can be said here. But yeah, they aren't always the best
@AXOLOTL IN A BUCKET i mean, he is involved in fnaf, he write the scripts of the movie, he just need to be away from acting, cameras, directing, produce the movie
Looks they’re going with the hello neighbor route >make an interesting game with decent lore >develop a child audience >delay updates >sell shit ton of merchandise and sign sponsorship deals >release mediocre updates >repeat Could be me tho 🤔
Is it even decent lore? It's basically just Fnaf again "oooh souls inhabit something child-friendly and it becomes murderous". It's a genius way of making most of the horror elements happen off-screen so kiddos can engage with it. This whole thing is literally just Fnaf but they're trying to deliberately do what happened organically.
No. As long as they don't steer from Chapter 1's concept & tone, it won't go that direction. Hello Neighbor failed because they kept making the house bigger and more complex. They didn't keep it simple.
@@KirbyJet14 That's not why it failed. It failed due to absolutely terrible a.i, bugs, and forcing lore over gameplay. Simply making the house bigger isn't what ruined it imo. Also, the thing about hello neighbor is it got worse with time while poppy playtime chapter 2 seems miles better than chapter 1 imo at least. Honestly, seeing the advancements made both technically and gameplay-wide gives me hope that viewing the product as a game, merch and controversies aside, the final product may be objectively pretty decent.
I feel for Ekrcoaster on a personal level and the "apology" really fucking pissed me off. Admitting that they did something wrong, but then trying to downplay it as "we were being nicer tho" is way too common of an excuse and doesn't absolve anyone of guilt. Don't even mention that detail. Outta here with that shit
Stuff like this disgusts and infuriates me. There are many struggling game creators out there, who would die to get this notoriety. These developers are sick. And these developers ate arguably the scummiest and most arrogant game developers of all time. This is an insult to not just the horror industry, but gaming as a whole.
It's not the developers, they just make what they're told by the higher ups to not get fired. It's the people handling making decisions to blame. Though you might be right if Mob Games was a very small team of few people, but I don't know how many people they have in the company.
teenagers use the "minor" excuse when it gets them out of having to deal with the consequences of their actions. If you try to give a 17yr old a kids meal, they'd tell you they are 'basically an adult' and would never. Then they get caught bullying someone smaller than them (in age and social media following) and excuse it away as them being underage/not knowing any better. Ugh
I hate when people use this as an excuse for just whatever, because it started as minors (rightfully) pointing out that being bullied/harassed by an adult is weird and gross. Which is a very valid point.
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
"I'll tell you the problem with this game model that you're using here: it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done, and you took the next step. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had you merchandised it, you licensed it out, and now you're selling it. You're selling it." To speak more seriously, Poppy Playtime just sounds so inorganic and fake. Was its company the first to make horror games for kids and influencers? No, it wasn't. But it's the first one that feels so scummy, fake, and corporate. And not in a "we're milking this franchise dry" kind of way, but in a "corporate, pre-packaged product that activates all the proper neurons without sustenance" kind of way. It's like they're developing a franchise at x3 speed.
They've only coughed up an apology as their actions are affecting reviews and hitting their bottom line. They're greedy and narcissistic sociopath with no understanding of consequences
BTW, you can't refund the game. I bought it a couple weeks ago, haven't even installed it, and when I go to refund it it says "this purchase contains consumable content that cannot be refunded". Really just goes to show the kind of company these guys are.
@Doctor Whos don’t you think it would say that if that was the problem? No where did it say that it was a deadline issue, it specifically said that it was some type of microtransaction made within the game. Plus, steam doesn’t automatically reject your refund requests based on the deadline, the request would still go through, but wouldn’t be accepted.
@Doctor Whos it depends on the reasoning of the refund but your refund is guaranteed if it meets the requirements which is the under 2 hours and 2 weeks thing
I think Poppy's devs might've shot themselves in the foot here. In the argument against their game being a copy, the statement reads Poppy was in development for "months." *Months.* Meanwhile, Ekercoaster says his was in development for years, 2017 and 2018. Changing months to years would be vague, but it wouldn't have just killed their entire case already with that slipup.
OMG SHEEPRAMPAGE yeah I already didn't care much for it, and then I saw how much pure monetization they were adding to it. It's a shame that this drama probably won't end up having anything good come out of it, and emob and his brother will end up getting away with making a crap game and gaining a gigaton of profit off of it.
The company selling out immediately? Literally within the release of the first chapter? That immediately tells me that the quality will be focused on the money rather than the product. In short, I sure as shit don't trust them either.
It was a 10 minute tech demo with the most generic trope filled gameplay design with the literal only interesting part was the animation used in the single big monster hallway/vent chase everything else from the location to monster and even sound design & eerie events were out of horror game design 101.
I could tell it was goin to be shit with the outcome of chapter 2. They literally kept another version of chapter 2 and a debug mode in the files. They probably changed it because many theories on the game were spot on. I’m tired of these shitty horror games changing there story half way because of TH-cam theorists.
@@nicokitty5522 that’s just how people treat money hungry game companies. If they didn’t want people to assume that then they shouldn’t have crossed so many lines with the merch and should have waited to start making a movie.
@@liviwaslost its not even that much merch, also they do not force anyone to buy it so why the fk do people even have opinions on it? What line did they cross with the merch? They cant proffit out of their own work now and get paid for their work so they can make a living out of it?
might as well shut these guys down before they get any bigger. the shady history, of harassing the smaller creator (despite him not wanting to have anything bad to the bigger guys that messed with him) should not go unpunished. if it still hurts him to this day, then personally, its more than clear that this has deeply affected him, and probably still does even now. wish him the best. cus im countin on echo on getting to places. you got my full support my dude, and you deserved far better instead of letting those guys just walk away like that acting like nothing happened.
Yup. They’re not sorry. They’re already bitching that people are giving them grief over this, when it’s their fault it ever happened in the first place. That’s sociopathic behavior, as far as I’m concerned. Screw ‘em. Post *their* actual sins everywhere. See how they like it.
Scott Cawthon did to horror as what Amnesia The Dark Descent did for horror too, they pioneered a lot and spawned a lot of imitators. That said, I'm still surprised that mascot horror is still a thing. I'd assume that everyone has moved onto Lovecraftian horror already... which, I admit, that genre is also starting to feel passe these days. That also said, Poppy Playtime doesn't deserve my playtime, even if the devs weren't acting like jerks.
Kids as young as 4 are obsessed with this game. I work with kids and they knew about whatever this game was long ago. You're 100% correct, Kids talk about it in the same breath as granny, baldy basics, fnaf etc
Same thing happens with my impressionable little brother, unfortunately. He’s already been addicted to those Poppy Playtime cringe animations on TH-cam Kids (I don’t understand why the algorithm is mislabelling these videos for “kids”, despite the inappropriate content in there) and kept talking about it every single day, much to my annoyance.
@@zurgcrush I mean it's not very good or healthy content for kids to grow up with, especially that young and impressionable. If anything it's mind numbing for them.
heart goes out to Ekr for bringing this to everyone’s attention. i’m proud of them for being brave, and i hope this situation can get resolved because this whole thing makes me sick if you double down and lie about doing something everyone already knows you did, you arent going anywhere but backwards. hope the innocent employees of MOB games face no backlash and that the ones who arent get what they deserve
Honestly, I'm just wishing they would redeem themselves from their mistakes. I do not care about further backlash as these past months of controversy already speak for themselves, because seeing their beginnings from when they used to do Minecraft Animations (And please mind they collaborated with a lot of music artists such as TryHardNinja, CG5, Dan Bull, etc. ), I just don't want all that talent to be wasted on having a tainted name.
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
All the signs were there from the beginning and I'm more impressed that the devs were THIS quick to fall into the rabbit hole of selling themselves out. it's really unfortunate too. Some of the game's aspects did look promising from the start and I really hoped that they'd at least have a somewhat finished game before using the game to fuel their content farm :/
It's not the developers, it's someone on the higher up. The dev job is to develop, while the higher up are the one that make businesses decision like making nft, movie, and etc
I hate it too, but I honestly can’t BLaME them gaming companies for any of these types of decisions as most games lose mass revenue to pirates and lack of copyright protection allowing other companies to create a replica and leech the market. Can you really blame these companies for having money as their priority when the gamer community themselves are money grubbers and thieves? Like blaming a movie production company for having garbage scripts nowadays when you or at least your peers refuse to give them a single penny... Imagine owning a company and having the same communities who are notorious for stealing your product cry about its quality...
@@dry4smash946 Bruh those things look like the ripoffs and they're supposed to be official. I bet I could find a "knock-off" plush of these characters that's twice the quality at like a third of the price.
nah, there are a LOT more. Indie game devs have a massive subsection of scumbags. Why would you even bother pirating their shit? Beats me, but unless you actually believe in the devs and their vision, pirate EVERYTHING.
Wow, I didn't realize how bad the situation had become. I heard about the NFTs and vague mentions of bullying, but this is next level. If anything, the "apology" for releasing NFTs being so soon after their release makes me realize that none of this was thought out to be a long-term passion project. Nobody asked for this.
I would love for someone else other than MOB that's actually passionate about this game to take over. The actual devs behind the game know what they're doing, but MOB had to fuck everything up. At least we know their true colors.
Damn and my friend's niece, is obsessed with poppy playtime, kinda feel bad, she's only 8, she's just a child and now war is coming and we will all die....we will all die
I find it silly how people doing the "childhood thing is evil" keep giving them features like razor sharp teeth. It doesn't make any sense story-wise, making it seem less like something innocent turned evil and more like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
31:20 "When you hear a minor is having a mental health crisis, you shift the gears in reverse," (loose quote). The fact that a poor 15 year old was bullied this harshly for their animations makes me sick.
Never knew how much MOB and his “friends” can build up so much stored up BS to literally bully a minor and think “oh well just brush it off and move on 😃” WRONG. When you either bully or make fun of someone it sticks with them forever and the victim will remember it for the rest of their days. I do not care how many followers or subscribers, or even how old the bully is. They NEED to be held accountable for their actions
Whaaat? No way! Even Muta covered it?!? I'm just stoked he didn't call me "thief king" - this time it was poor "sheep-ram-rampage" who got their channel name butchered 😆 If you'd told me this could've happened four months ago when I started making videos... I would not have believed you, hah.
It's good to see Muta share the same opinion, especially after seeing your videos covering it. Last I saw someone big cover the controversy was Critikal, but was kind of disappointed on how poorly he read the situation. Not going to say your videos were the sole reason for proper coverage of the situation, but they were a major catalyst.
the fact that they bullied ekrcoaster constantly and talked crap about him says a lot about them. they honestly should've stopped and left him alone, once he asked them to. ontop of all of that, they acted as if them bullying ekrcoaster was 100% okay and that ekrcoaster would just laugh it off with them. hopefully ekrcoaster is doing a lot better both mentally and physically nowadays.
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
Hits way too close to home to hear this aspiring young creator get mocked by folks older and more popular who unfortunately hit success while the other deteriorated their mental health more. I hope justice is served for this guy.
@@thxwanderer I KNOW RIGHT?! Just to let you know, my 4-year-old younger brother kept begging me to buy Poppy Playtime merchandise for him. In fact, he’s addicted to those cringe animations on TH-cam every single fucking day! Since he’s obviously still a child with an underdeveloped mind, I don’t think he knew anything about this controversy.
Cartoons in the 80s were the same. Just like video games now, look at Fortnite. I remember when my little brother stole his dad's credit card information for around $800 in VBucks. That's the point of something free directed at children, it starts off not needing money to easily hook children in and the parents will fall for it as well due to it being free. Then all the in game cosmetics are like $20 to the point where toys can be sold at the same price.
Also, thank you for talking about this issue Muta. I felt horrible for the animator. Been in their spot before, feeling suicidal at a young age and reading it almost made me cry. Adults can be so insanely mean to kids on the internet, like please, go do your taxes.
@@fresanegra77 because if you insult an adult to do their taxes then the accountant would do it for them completely erasing the argument that these adults would do their own taxes. It’s a stupid insult really, people doing normal people things, that’ll show em
@@hoodedman6579 meh I still don't feel good about it, either we treat games as a product in which the hours to dollars ratio will apply, or games are art and the dollar to hour ratio does not apply
@@dream6562 hours to dollar ratio can both be good and bad depending on what type of game, tho i would agree overall its bad as short but really good games would fall short and any and all grindathon survival games would have an infinite ratio however if its more an average quality game/ one that focusses on gameplay and not story, i think it can sometimes be applied
It’s depressing how much we target ‘horror’ games towards kids just because it’s easier than making a game with actually good horror. Kids eat up mediocre horror games like this, and it thus it becomes popular and encourages more of this garbage.
Ever since that shitty fnaf came out everybody has been trying to copy it. Its like the dark night mostly every dc movie for a few years tried copying it. Its sad seeing good games being crushed under comple corporate trash.
I could smell the greed from a mile away when I first saw this game. I was a huge, diehard Bendy fan and have genuinely never been so disappointed in my entire life. I was so hopeful only to be slapped across the face with Chapter 5. Ever since then I’ve been so cynical of indie games, if they make you pay for each installment and the second “chapter” isn’t any better than the first... run for the hills. Edit: I also wanted to say thank you for covering this, I’ve been so heartbroken about how Ethan was treated and it makes me happy to see you covering it ❤️
Bendy chapter 5 was so disappointing. I remember that I was in school and spent the whole day anxious to see the chapter, and then. THEN I saw the actual chapter. I just sat there and said "what in the world did I just watch???"
@@nicolebrown1874 EXACTLY. I was in a goddamn Taco Bell so excited only for my world to completely shatter around it. Nothing mattered!! It wasn’t even real!!!! Who cares!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, probably not a henre that will interest you but have a look at Deep Rock Galactic. Idk if it still counts as an indie but it is a well cared for game. (Simply put, 1-4 player solo/co-op game, where u play as 1 of 4 dwarves within the cave systems of the most dangerous and richest planet known; PvE)
@@NemoracStrebor The chapter 5 fiasco is basically the chapter is a buggy mess. Game crashing, glitching AI and accidental softlock just to name a few. There isn't a patch to fix the mess to this day even when they port the game to consoles.
I hated how as soon as this game became popular, all of the pop up stores at my mall were selling cheap poppy playtime stuffed animals and stuff. Just like how when among us and squid game blew up, stores started merchandising the shit out of it
I feel that the original five nights at Freddys wasn’t a “horror game for kids” due to the fact the game was not marketed towards kids, and was just a developer’s last try at any game.
Even the more blatant ones like Bendy and Hello Neighbor didn't start as kids horror games and dabbled in satanic themes and murder and other dark subject matter, not to mention the atmosphere of the early bendy chapters and hello neighbor alphas were golden compared to the full release of both gamss
Fnaf only really started turning into horror for kids after that Fnaf world game because Scott was getting tired of just doing extremely dark and depressing horror, but that only worked for me up until pizzeria simulator and then the other games after it just kept feeding into its own worst qualities. I am not too happy with indie horror following hard into that direction.
I think Muta was more or less referencing FNAF's latest entry: Security Breach. The game is good don't get me wrong but it lacks the suspenseful atmosphere that came from working in a pizzeria at night by yourself or any of the other settings in past FNAF games. Security Breach goes for a bright colorful aesthetic which while it is nice, means that the only scary parts are when you're being hunted by the Glamrock animatronics.
Poppy is to the “horror for children” genre what Overwatch was for eSports. There was no grassroots competitive scene for overwatch, from pretty much day one they were hyping up the OWL and all of these tournaments and such, and it really spoke to a level of presumptuousness and artificiality that would have killed any other product had it not been for the fact that Blizzard’s name still held some merit. When FNAF made it big, it was a fluke, a Hail-Mary that managed to land, it was just Scott playing into Jim Sterling making fun of his art style and actually making a horror game, we didn’t see that game explode into a massively marketed and overly merchandised IP until at least the second game. Poppy feels like if someone with a time machine went back in time and tried to invest hundreds of millions of dollars into FNAF before the game even launched. It reeks of hubris on the suits’ part.
*Correction: Markipier played the original FNAF 3 years before Jim did, He just took the credit, which is apparent when he jumped on the Scott Cawson cancel train and made it about himself.
@@LasagaMan but I remember watching Jim make fun of his previous games, even comparing them to creepy animatronics. I remember Jim covering the game after it achieved notoriety, and was like “oh hey, this is the guy that made those Christian games with the creepy 3d models.” My memory’s still hazy, this was back when Steam Greenlight was a thing and now Jim transitioned or something idk. Point is it was a grassroots thing.
@@messmermusicals1367 I’ve no idea why, but hearing that from a perfect stranger resonates with me in a way that I’ve never felt before. Feels nice. Thanks, m8.
@@punishedbung4902 Reading your comment felt smooth, could clearly imagine a voice in my head. You also pick great figures of speech and ways to form your sentences. I don't usually like staying on these "Corpo Bad, look out", videos, but you have made your point, the problematics of this issue completely clear to me. And thus, to ease my anguish, I thought of spreading positivity and tell you how I feel about your one of a kind phrasing.
Poppy Playtime definitely has intrigue and I’m curious to see where it goes, but good god is it trying to be FNAF so freaking badly that it leaves a sour taste. At least wait until you have more than two chapters before selling out.
When you're a young artist, you're going to pull from things you like. You gotta get through the cringey copy phase to understand what you are Eventually you piece together a lot of your different inspirations into your own unique style.
This is super true, when I first began drawing I took inspiration from so many other things that eventually formed into my own art style unique from the inspirations.
@@Abeardeen to be fair, most of the artists I've learned from say to 'steal' from everything, but don't 'actually' steal it. Even then copying something is fine, just not if you put your name to it and pretend it's yours. Copying is usually good for learning something for the first time as it can teach how it works if you know what you're looking for! So you may be saying in jest, but it's entirely true lol.
@@Grigeral consider the following: why waste a lifetime like ye olde' masters when you can speedrun the process and get to a desired point much faster and efficiently by learning from others? that's called progress in almost every other sector, and is considered a good thing, the only people who claim otherwise are gatekeeping assholes that you shouldn't give the time of day.
Considering the developers already had a youtube animation channel dedicated to parodies of viral video games like Minecraft, Friday Night Funkin, Bendy, and Among Us (SUSUSUSUS), it's so obvious they wanted to make Poppy as a way to get viral. So they can make more money not just from the game but from youtube revenue via the Zamimation and EnchantedMOB channels.
It’s not the developers who are behind the TH-cam animation channel, it’s the people behind them. The devs actually care about the game but all the people behind the devs want is money.
I think that definitely just proved the similarities between Poppy Playtime and Bendy and the Ink Machine correct. A former employee exploring an abandoned workplace involving children’s entertainment where everyone disappeared due to mysterious circumstances and they find out the boss was up to weird supernatural shenanigans, such as bringing their characters back to life. Does that sound familiar to you?
This game actually looked very cool and different in the beginning. A mix of portal and amnesia in a way. But horror games get bad when they are made suited for children.
I agree and the best example of this is sadly security breach. Poppy playtime has a good looking art style and a fun mechanic (with the hands) however their main audience are children, that is why they make it so colorful and why they make the puzzles so easy. Speaking of puzzles, poppy playtime chapter two feels more like a puzzle game than a horror game. At least it doesn't try to remove anything that has to do with violence and blood from the game like security breach did to be "child friendly", in a story about murdered children. In the artistic perspective it is good looking the gameplay is decent enough but it is absolutely nothing revolutionary. In the moral perspective it is a huge operation to get as much money as possible from their young audience. Fnaf also sold merchandise however Scott didn't overdid it at first but poppy playtime, they immediately went to the NFT route (easy money from dumb people) Even that they thought(they did) of selling NFTs shows us how greedy they are.
@@_-Lx-_ I agree that it is just trying to be the next fnaf like game (business wise). It is pretty boring for someone like me that played many horror games. I hate horror for kids
More like portal and fnaf security breach. Amnesia is an experience that cannot be compared to Poppy’s Playtime. One is great and the other is Poppy’s Playtime.
Also the bullying that went on actually reminds me of what I've gone through and it's just plain harassment - causing someone suicidal by repeatedly doing this for years is disgusting and I wish Ekrocoaster could sue them tbh
this is like hello neighbor pt 2 both games had a play through video boom on TH-cam over time, both of them took on an aesthetic appealing to kids more and more monetization, and branching out to other media such as tv and movies
it makes me so sad that poppy playtime is so popular, it irks me to know that these shitty people behind it are getting all this success and attention while ekrcoaster had to suffer AND get his work stolen, no less. my heart goes out to ekr and i hope he gets more support
As adults, what excuse do they have to run from consequences of their past. They're apologizing so they won't get goatse, not because they regretted bullying the person. "I bullied you before? Sorry, not sorry."
I’m glad you and other bigger TH-camrs are finally talking about this. What the devs did was incredibly insensitive and their actions since have been hella shady. Great vid as always and can’t wait to see what you come up with next!!
The easiest cash grab now is making a ""horror"" game for 7 year olds and game theory, prepare merch in advanced and watch that shit get like 30 fangames on Roblox.
The games themselves are ok, even though they’re pretty generic. It’s clear to me they just want to cash out and run. As for the movie thing, people are only gonna watch it to make fun of it. People have already been comparing it to Morbius.
scripting is surprisingly good for the scenes, but all you can say is that, especially when its all a chapter will feature. Showing off your good scripting you're packaging off as a full game is one thing, but death threats and selling out with nfts and a movie is another.
What enrages me is that a midtier game with midtier devs gets greenlit for a movie, but SCP: Heretic couldn't be produced due to lack of funding. It's shitty man :[
I think it speaks for itself when that one cardboard cut out of the bunny has the date set to markipliers birthday and nobody else's, it could've been cool if it looked at your computers birthday, but instead it says to me that they expected mark to play it to garner attention like fnaf and the other indie games, which really seems scummy
What's even sadder is that I watched the video of him playing it with a sibling (I used to watch his stuff back in the glory days of 2013 or so and still enjoy it now and again) and he was just deadpan looking at it and said "huh that's just public information". He had more fun hitting the cutout in the face.
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
The thing that's really sad about all this is all the rest of the development team that had absolutely zero say in the decisions made by the top executives, but they still often get grouped in with the executive's horrible decision making. I couldn't feel as though there was a fair few contributors who work behind the scenes genuinely wanted the game to be good.
I bought the first chapter and enjoyed it, but I've elected not to support them in any way, shape or form going forward. The CEO deserves to have the Artesian Builds treatment
I’m absolutely sure someone has already said this, but the heavy merchandise push really feels like those 70s cartoons everyone hears about. The cartoons basically made to shill toys and action figures like this. Ironically, I think if NFTs had been possible back then, those same cartoons/companies would probably be pushing NFT lore merchandise too
No your absolutely right though. It’s a bit scary how bad it’s getting. Did you know you used to not be allowed to advertise 1:1 models of toys in the content of your tv show because of regulations by the fcc? But then Ronald Reagan deregulated advertising to children and companies went wild with it
I have really mixed feelings about these children's horror games. I was a spooky little baby bat once upon a time so I know there is a market for kids who want scares. That said yeah the merchandising is a bit aggressive & it feels like these cash grabs flooded the market immediately. At least Scott had some integrity.
It’s rather depressing to see that this entire subgenre is oversaturated with garbage like these, you know. When I was just a kid like you, I grew up watching stuff like Courage the Cowardly Dog, Invader Zim, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Gravity Falls, etc. Nowadays, shameless cash grabs such as Poppy Playtime are now considered to be the “child-friendly horror” of our current generation.
@@Noelle_Holiday yes I was an adult by the time gravity falls came out but Courage, Grim, & invader Zim where excellent and 3 very different takes on the "spooky kids" subgenres. Courage was heart felt, Grim was funny & weird for its own sake, & Zim was full on cynical dark comedy for kids.
@𝙰𝚛𝚒𝚏𝚞𝚖𝚒 yeah I wasn't a fan of his games but in retrospect he clearly understood both tension building & game design. Also he actually sold a complete game and then made merchandise. He put in the work so it doesn't feel like a shake down.
This game feels like a failed Fnaf knock off that makes you laugh hard or bored instead of scared - NFTs - Bullying - Merch of low effort creations - Movie in the making of a half hour game - Blatant copy images If these don't scream scam or cash grab, idk what to tell ya
it's not failing it's doing pretty good chapter 2 is amazing plus they need that money to pay their employees stupid and also making a movie takes years all chapters will probably be released when the movie is going to come out
@@Pekkinducks 1. They have NFTs, and merch, yet they still ask for more money? Plus, even if they took those out, they're complete asses And 2. Why is the movie in the making when EVERYTHING isn't in the game yet? That's like saying i just make a regular sandwich, and I tell people I'm becoming the new Gordon Ramsey... if the game is a few years old and so many people like it, then MAYBE there's room for a poppy film
@Reflection not only NFT and Merch, they look low effort Their greed aside, they bullied a person who wanted to be on their side... it's the spit on the face
This video was uncannily on time. My job just got brand new Poppy Playtime merch. All I could think was "uh did more chapters come out? Pretty sure there's only one right?". I know the devs need money to make their game but it does sound like they're just using their game to be greedy, their "passion project" which doesn't seem so passionate anymore.
Here in the Philippines, you can even go to brick-and-mortar stores in the mall to purchase Poppy Playtime pillows and stuffed animals for kids. Imagine being a kid and waking up next to huggy wuggy every morning
Every time I see a new “horror” game like this, I immediately know I won’t be interested. It’s so obvious that things like this are just trying to cheat the same success Five Nights and Freddy’s got. Make a game for TH-camrs to react to, make some vague “lore” for a Game Theory, and merchandize as much as possible. It worked with FNAF because nothing like that had ever happened before, but this is just the same garbage Hello Neighbor or that retro animation game (I can’t recall the name) did. It’ll just fizzle out and nobody will care anymore. Edit: I was talking about Bendy and the Ink Machine with the “retro animation” comment. Hadn’t watched the full video when typing so thanks Mutahar for mentioning it.
The thing about other "family friendly horror games" is that they waited a good bit to release merch. I think Fnaf had a very small amount of merch back in late 2014- early 2015. It was a small merch company called Sanshee. The bigtime, in your face, walmart, mass produced shit didn't come out until late 2015. By that time 4 Fnaf games had released. As for Bendy, 3 chapters had released. Merch didn't really start until like late 2017. It was well into development, and had been around for a bit less than a year.
John Wolfe made a decent video bringing up his issues for not playing the second one and honestly it was like a breathe of fresh air since I’ve personally seen a crap ton of people still play it regardless of issues, in fact John even called it out in the first game that they’ll completely sell out the game and milk it like a cash cow
If you watched some glitch hunters for the first game you’d see that the ai is pretty bad. They follow a direct path for most of the game. If you manage to find an area that fits outside of that path you can dodge the ‘monster’ for that entire chase sequence. Kinda funny, even moist critikal did it in his playthrough, but it does show lazy coding.
Glitching through objects isn’t lazy coding per se as much as it’s lazy environment creation. Basic collider coding is usually solid enough to avoid warping through an object’s normals, given the environmental artist actually placed the meshes properly.
Wow, this Poppy Playtime game has a really suspenseful, well-animated chase sequence. Can't wait to buy the game and support such talented and passionate devs... ...Oh.
I was always skeptical about these "horror" games that actually have no atmosphere or substance and feel factory manufactured, but now I understand why, an hour long episodic game made for streamers for the sole purpose of shilling merch, people need to understand that indies are not innocent and they're often as corrupt as corporate if not even more, I hope these revelations are eye opening.
I really don’t like the merch and other shit things they are doing but to be fair I am ready to hate chapter 2 (after hearing they announce a movie before they even finished the game 😭) but surprisingly chapter 2 is really good, now I am conflicted. I really like the game but the creators- I am pretty sure most of the staff that are in charge really want to make the game really good and you can see that in chapter 2 and after chapter 2 I am actually excited for future chapters but yeah I am not a fan of the CEO(s)
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The fact that they're making a movie before their game is even done speaks volumes, not to mention taking advantage of and harassing smaller creators...
Right? They bullied Ekrcoaster until he gave up on animation altogether for a while.
He was 16 and saw through their predatory contract. So they used their animation Sins channel to hit him with 5 or 6 massively insulting videos.
Then on the apology, they dodged everything. Blamed it on Animation Sins (owned and run by the same people)
The actual devs deserve money, but the owners are shady. Real shady.
@@Fredfazbear1983 ok edge-lord
@@Fredfazbear1983 so edgy
@@DarksteelHeart based
@@JayPlusForerunner I’m not being edgy tho
The irony of POPPY (EDIT) Playtime is that the game has critical and valid viewpoints on the cruelty of corporatism while being a soul-less example of it itself. What form of modernism is this? Postposthastemodernism?
Kinda like the shitty adult shows that think that being "self-aware" of their writing issues = "Fixing" those issues.
Life imitating art imitating life.
That's literally Rockstar and GTA Online.
You can blame it on Democrats and their constant projection of their own actions.
@@Verasoul and also the new fallout games
"We were minors!" A 17 year old should know to not be a scumbag.
Exactly 😕
@Fea†her people aren’t even mature at fucking 35 makes no damn difference
@Fea†her Just because they aren't very mature doesn't mean a 17yo shouldn't shoulder some responsibility of what they do.
They have dishonored every minors
@Fea†her i don't care. Parents raising kids who bully people like this even up until 18 should be ashamed. They're using their age as a defence but it's not like you're magically gifted with a good conscience once you turn 18.
"We were kids so it doesn't count! LOL!"
...Thats not how it works, bro. Not at all. You all bullied this kid. Now that you've achieved fame, you're worried about the real implications. You're not sorry for what you did. You're sorry because you got caught. Hopefully people hear about this and realize you've plagiarized another artists work. If it goes to court, its gonna be bad. Real bad...
also, if the people who bullied that animator were really 17.... I'M 17 right now. I know DAMN well that's not how you treat ANYONE, so using age as an excuse is absolute bullshit. We're almost adults. Not damn 12 years old, which is how they were acting. The "we're minors" is them trying to be like "you can't call us about bc we're kids" you are not a kid, you're 17. You know the right way to act at 17... especially if you're in charge of things and projects as big as these.
He was also sent into a Mental hospital for it!! I'm just soo upset that they won't address it properly and own up to their mistake. 😭
There are children/teenagers who commit crimes, knowing that what they're doing is a crime, because they can use being under 18 to get away with it. Not the same thing, but the point is that its very well possible the people who were harassing ekrcoaster knew better at the time and are now using age as an excuse for past actions. it doesn't really matter how old they were, they did know they were being assholes. What they probably didn't think about was the consequences, to ekrcoaster as well as themselves
@@lolanola1783 I just turned 18 but when I was 17 I never bullied kids online. It’s not hard.
@@abby4684 exactly! We aren’t children.. we have common sense at this point.
“no one played them, they all watched the youtuber” as a middle schooler who grew up watching pewds, this couldn’t be more true💀
and the youtuber got the money while MOB is sitting there wondering what the fuck they should do now
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@@rage3465 they get mercy money
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"We were young, we didn't know any better when we were bullying a kid."
"We were inexperienced at running a company, we didn't know we shouldn't treat our employees like shit."
Only two points of data on the line, but is anyone else detecting a pattern here?
They are lying, but I’m not surprised.
They are gaslighting. Dodgy practice.
"We are a new corporation, we didn't know you can't not pay our employees or you shouldn't have obnoxious pay to play models"
My reaction to their official statement: “YOU'RE LYING!!! LIES!!! LIES!!! WHEN WILL THE LIES END??!!!”
I mean check out the interview they did firstly.
Because they do genuinely show regret.
I expected this to be 50 minutes of NFT talk... kinda wish it was just that. Those Discord screenshots are hard to look at. Just imagine being forced to suffer in silence because a bigger channel you once loved decided to ruin your career as a joke. Literally, I am fuming. This dude should take the devs to court.
even if he did took the devs to court, there's a chance that he wouldn't win because the games infested with little kids. it's crazy how bigger people always get away with this bs
the devs are also communists and have made pro-north Korea statements on twitter and discord
that’s another bad thing they’ve done
What happened?
@@Alex-jg2bc did... did you not watch the video..?
@@Alex-jg2bc I would strongly suggest watching the video all the way through. There's just too much to summarize into a comment.
Being a minor isn't an excuse, you get taught that bullying is wrong when you're 5.
Especially with all those anti bullying psas that were popular during the 2000s and early 2010s
fr, I cried when I thought I hurt people when I was 5, a 17 year old should know better
I posted this reply somewhere else, but it's basically the same comment.
Tbh, as someone who couldn't escape an abusive household until adulthood and thought that was normal... I disagree. I was a scumbag at 17, and now I am not a scumbag. I learned better only as an adult because I went off to college, escaped for a while, got therapy, etc.
The real issue shouldn't be that. It should be the focus -- do you focus on taking accountability, or do you focus on excuses? The minor excuse flies to me... if the focus is on personal accountability.
Btw, not saying they're off the hook. NFTs suck, bullying sucks.
@@LilyCelebiFlipnote I was physically beaten frequently as a child and I still didn't bully anyone. If anything it made me more susceptible to bullying. I was bullied at home and bullied at school there was no escape from it but I never once took it out on anyone else.
@@trashpanda3544 Sorry for that long ass reply. (I ended up deleting it because this summary is better and I doubt anyone'd read that.)
tl;dr: It doesn't excuse accountability, but it really isn't as simple as "bully bad, everyone else good." Villains reach over into heroism and vice versa, and it isn't so black and white. Maturity shouldn't be fully expected all the time of minors in all aspects, either.
...but I am talking on a general level because that's what the comment was talking on. In this specific case, we're actually in agreement with the accountability stuff.
Their focus was not on accountability and making positive change or amends. It was on making excuses. "We were just minors!" was the focus, and that in itself is the problem, I think.
We live in a universe where PT was canceled and has no merch, but poppy playtime exists as a 30 minute game with merch and a movie.
That's because PT wasn't heavily marketed towards children
Also if I remember correctly that was a teaser for a silent hill game then Kojima left Konami.
I heard about leaked silent hill screenshots recently, apparently legit, which will be pretty weird silent hill existing without Kojima
What's PT?
I'm still mad about PT being cancelled, why'd they have to fire Hideo and make a shitty zombie game with the Metal Gear title
The audacity of Mob to shamelessly shill merch for an unfinished game to the extent they are really makes me wish that this flops HARD. It would be one thing if they were a group of friends who wanted to make games, but it's obvious all they care about is turning Playtime into a money printer. Then they go and harass Ekrcoaster and offer a fake ass "apology" without owning up to anything because that means bad publicity which means less money.
The game is literally a soul-less attempt to grab kids' attention. They saw how much money FNAF was making and started development before they lost their boner. It's designed to be as appealing to kids as possible. They literally could not be more aggressive in the way they monetizing this unfinished game. it's disgusting.
@@panqueque445 isn’t that everything EA and UBISOFt makes? All there games are cash gravs
At this point they should flop. When you do shitty things consciously, you should expect shit to also come your way
Corporate mentality right there.
I disagree somewhat, I want the game to actually succeed but the merchandising to flop. Remember, there is a whole team working their very hardest on the game, so please don't try to group them with the shillers and the merchandising sellers.
Your mention of FNAF and Poppy Playtime essentially being for kids got me thinking. FNAF wasn't originally MADE for kids... But then it kept on going and got so popular with kids they started heavily marketing towards them with merch and the games became less scary.
Poppy Playtime is a perfect example of a horror game that's specifically made for kids- that is ALSO made to get money. Like, based on how the creators content before the game was (and still is), this checks out. They already have a LOT of merch and made NFTs off of it. FNAF didn't even have merch that early on... The merch for Poppy Playtime is SO expensive too???? Like good god, that's more proof.
Same thing that happened with Star Wars. It wasn't until the 3rd movie that it suddenly shifted to have kid-friendly tones and now it's the only series once made for an older audience that heavily markets toys like 80's action movies once did.
@@Verasoul Its really is a deep shame this happens to some nerdy mediums and some game titles. Not everything needs to be pissing rainbows and a disgusting amount of optimism. This new generation of media is way to scared of going into darker and negative concepts and loves gushing with toxic positivity in everything and MCU level cheesy jokes and one liners.
In the words of John Wolf, Fnaf 1 is a modern horror classic.
@@keonkla true, every market is trying to make everything for kids
Poppy Playtime isn't made for kids, the game has gore in it, the only good part about MOB games is that they're changing it to be less kid-friendly, i really hope that it doesn't being marketing towards kids, i honestly don't care if kids get nightmares bc they watch Poppy Playtime playthroughs.
"Minors being minors" idk man I knew not to fucking harrass people when I was 17. Boys like these dont typically change, because they *like* to make fun of people, that's not gonna stop because of backlash especially if they've remained in the same internet circles, theres frequently no space to mature there.
Not to judge someone's future on the way the behave as a minor. But I really cant see the developers being suddenly good people now that they are adults, especially with the way they handled the "apology " and just their game in general. Every part of their actions paints a picture of people who dont care about hurting others as long as they get entertainment from it, and only create games for cash grabs there seems to be very little integrity both business wise and personally
i knew when I was fckin 5 that it wasnt nice to hit or be mean to other kids
mask off moment when he says "aaah kids are always just as nasty as we were"
no, no they arent
@@itsClaptrap lol same
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
Sociopathic people are works of art. Right.
The "hehe" 's genuinely annoyed me, the passive aggressiveness, that's just such an asshole move, I hope this isn't happening to any other smaller creators who are too afraid to speak up because this harassment (especially when it's a MINOR) is just fucking evil.
hehe
hehe
yall are cringe
@@Sputterbug hehe
These replies are crazy
Poppy Playtime clearly seems to have one goal. Not to make an interesting game, not to revolutionize the “horror” genre, not to be genuine, but simply make as much money as possible. The game reeks of corporate greed. Which is sad since it does have potential
We need to stop letting our guards down when it comes to indie games.
Saying “indie devs will save video games industries” will not age well. Yes, I know making games is expensive, and effort to make them good. I’ve given them props because it ain’t a pixelated game
@HavenRBX The people pumping their sole into it, they are ok, the few assholes in charge, they can just, leave, never come back
EA sports its in the game.. packs
The game itself is garbage and not scary at all so I’m happy to see this fail
This really gives off a vibe of:
“We are not sorry, but we will be boycotted if we dont say sorry, so sorry”
Can't blame them
@@maysae.2010 wrong.
@@maysae.2010 that's exactly what you do in a situation like this
@@kinorris1709 right
@@l3vi23 nah
The developers not removing the NFTs from their store after the backlash is a clear indication that their apology was pure bullshit, and they weren't sorry at all.
No shit
ITS BCS OF THEIR CONTRACT. dont just assume things you dont know. They cant remove them even if they want
@@nicokitty5522 what contract? Have proof? Why did they do it even in the first place?
@@nicokitty5522 Have you seen their contract stating that they can't remove the NFTs? 🤔🤔🤔
@@derekrequiem4359 no but i believe their words :)) also makes sense that they have a contract
Another really odd thing about Poppy Playtime itself is the copyrighted pieces of media/audio in the files of the game. Some examples include samples of music from Portal, Everywhere At The End Of Time, Resident Evil, etc. As well as the amount of cut content left over in the game, it kind of seems like the development of the game wasn't a smooth ride
EDIT: There’s also music of the train crash scene from Half-Life: Alyx
Lol you don’t even know half of it. I was helping fix bugs during chapter twos launch and it was a mess. The devs left in a developer build with the shipped game on accident. They also pushed a patch a day after launch that would “fix crashes and settings” (it didn’t) and ended up pushing the update without including the packaged unreal project file which made it impossible to launch the game. It was definitely an experience but overall, the actual devs are genuinely good people. I’m not sure about the higher ups that are likely responsible for most of the awful aspects of their marketing but the devs are awesome.
Did they actually use Everywhere at the end of time? I saw twitch comments on MoistCritikal's playthrough mentioning it sounds like that album. Plus it sounded so familiar to me!
@@Goofy-fd7cz same lol, i was like hmmm that sounds familiar
@@panzer_waffle4150 It's the title screen music, right? Anything else?
@@Goofy-fd7cz The irony factor there is imence.
The "we were only kids" argument is one of the worst defenses in any sort of drama. Kid or not, you're not free of consequences regardless.
That argument works assuming you've apologized and one of 2 things is true:
1. You're not benefiting from the shitty things you did
2. You've worked/working to make whole the ppl you hurt
Neither of these is true for the Poppy's ppl.
Did you cancel Dream for his edgy edits, then?
Please stay in Twitter. The only thing I wouldn't consider MOB Games of being free of consequences is the Circus Baby situation.
@Eroshap98 Honestly, the only argument I have is him cheating. Dream was probably 14 by the time he made racist jokes -- I feel like I should regret anything I did before 16 years (just right now), honestly, so I would think 16 would be the age you'd be mature enough to have a basic idea of what's right and what's wrong.
@@PuppyFromTheAlt I mean, personally I wasn't referring to Dream. Nor was I aware of any drama he was involved in as of writing the comment; I don't even watch Dream's content much less use Twitter.
The whole "it was in the past" and "we were only young and dumb" can only go so far is what I meant.
I was mainly thinking of other past dramas involving this sort of content getting slapped with a "we were just kids" line and that line is constantly being said in these sort of situations where it sounds more like an excuse than an actual point.
But you do make a valid point with ages and how people should start regretting their actions prior to being 16 because that's when they start to wisen up a bit. But it also makes the situation between MOB devs and Ekr even worse if you consider the fact that the owner was 17 while Ekr was only 15, if not younger, during that whole disgusting mess. (Sorry for the lengthy reply.)
@@PuppyFromTheAlt you would think. I don’t watch Dream or anyone he associates with, but you can’t just speak for him like that. If he hasn’t spoke on it yet, then he’s avoiding it for a reason. There are many adults that still throw around slurs like that and are blatantly racist (not claiming he is), therefore this “id imagine people regret things by the time they’re 16” argument is incredibly weak and not factually based.
Poppy's playtime is just uninspired "Child horror" mulch. Their marketing strategy is to have kids ask their parents for their credit cards to buy their crappy products.
_Poppy Playtime wasn't even that scary, Huggy Wuggy was slower than I thought and it didn't intimidate me much, Mommy Long Legs at least is scarier than Huggy since she's bigger and faster_
@@SaintCharlos lucky you
I watched a tiktok compilation of Poppy Playtime stuff here on YT since the thumbnail had well made fanart and I needed inspiration. The video was crappy edits made by children, gacha shit, a weird thing where some guy "voices" BF from FNF (literally sings dialogue with a gross autotune shrill) with footage of an FNF mod of Poppy Playtime. The community is almost 80% kids, with the percent of fans on the internet being 70% kids. I dont like the game but cmon, I cant even get some good fan content??
ah yes. the genshin strategy
Horror games for children aren't a bad thing inherently, but the problem is when Poppys Playtime pretends like that isn't what it's doing. It makes sense from a business perspective, market to the largest audience possible and you'll get the largest audience possible. From a consumer perspective though, it feels like we're being taken advantage of.
"The youngest of us was 14-"
I'm sorry, was the 14 year old the toxic dude that was berating him the whole time? Speak for yourself. They may have been minors, but even 14 isn't *that* young. Anyone 14+ with a brain knows right from wrong and knows what bullying is. They were literally being cruel headasses and trying to just barely apologize because all their shit came to light. We WeRe JuSt A bUnCh Of TeEnS stfu. A corporate apology if we've ever seen one indeed 🙄
And the worst part about it is that this is a perfect example of why you need to be careful about how you treat people. From what Ekrcoaster shared, it does seem like there were times that he was really suicidal and these dudes just made it worse. We could have easily never heard about this had Ekrcoaster succeeded in taking his life. And they better be glad it didn't happen, otherwise that would've been blood on their hands.
ima admit the whole we were young and dumb could be made but there is a reason why these cases don't fly cuz the whole "WeRe JuSt A bUnCh Of TeEnS stfu" basically means they didn't grown to change their perspectives or understand its wrong and still fully agree with those actions they did when they were teens. IF they truly regretted and changed they wouldnt say things like that to justify it but rather fully admit it was wrong but now they changed their mind.
Seriously i don't know anyone who would buy that shit corporate apology, where their only upset that they got caught and honestly idk why they think just cuz your a minor you can be excused off anything, if the crime is serious enough especially almost costing someones life. ITS NOT ONLY NOT EXCUSABLE BUT IT MAKES IT WORSE THAT THEY STILL PROB DONT SEE WHAT THEY DID WRONG OR JUST DONT CARE???? bruh
I cried when I thought I hurt people when I was 5, 5 year old me knew bullying and hurting people like this is wrong. Teens should for sure know better
The dev was 17, the victim was 15. Using the other 14 year-olds in the group was not an excuse lol.
Personally, I was never a big fan of Poppy Playtime when it initially debuted, mainly because I thought it was just gonna be another fad like Hello Neighbor, Baldis Basics, and Bendy and the Ink Machine, but the moment I heard of the movie deal, that was when a big red flag hit off in my head. When Five Nights at Freddy's got its movie adaptation announced, the third game had been out for a month and at the time, the series was considered concluded. Here, the game isn't even complete and they are ALREADY announcing a movie? that's what caused me to dig deeper and then I found out about the plagiarism allegations, the NFT debacle, and the developers shady past. Say what you want about FNAF and Scott Cawthon, but at least the FNAF games didn't start as a Money Making Merch Machine, they were a last hurrah of game development from a man who was going to give up, and Scott Cawthon (for the most part) seems like a good guy. Poppy Playtime on the other hand seems like it was made to be a merch machine first and a game second, and the developers, from what i've seen, seem like they are nothing more than greedy scum who aren't afraid to step on anyone to get what they want.
The poppy playtime game is really good but I think if they wanted to make a movie they should probably start after chapter 3 and not announcing it on chapter 1 like bro what? Also the devs deserve the credit for the game they are the true giga chads the owners just really bad people I don't support them.
@@notstebey583 I like the hand gimmick, however everything else is just garbage.
The game isn't even a game it's a 10 minute tech demo
Scott Cawthon is a good guy, I can verify that for you.
@@notstebey583 I’m sorry but the game is kinda just bad and bland. It’s a copy of so many other games with such little soul. Like someone else said, the hand thing is really the only unique thing.
Bendy and the Ink Machine maybe devolved a bit, but it built up pretty good, had a really cool environment and artstyle with an ehh story, and while the mechanics weren’t very interesting, it was definitely engaging. Poppy Playtime is set in an abandoned toy factory (kind of like Bendy’s abandoned studio), with one big bad monster guy following you (kind of like Bendy himself), you walk around with very little and exploration is more about the environment (kind of like Bendy’s exploration), I could go on. It’s VERY much an unoriginal cash grab. I hate that people call it anything even remotely decent.
I saw like a 4 year old girl describing gameplay mechanics of this game in quite the detailed fashion and i was honestly impressed. At the age of 5 i was scared of the first autoscroller level in Super Mario bros 3.
I'm not sure if I'm just bad at getting good, but I only began getting to the end of videogames at like 13-15 years old. I finished Sonic 3 at 16 years old -- right now.
I don't know how does this work.
@@PuppyFromTheAlt I think I started getting good at it at like... 9-10? I've quite a few games since then. This is actually kind of a strange phenomena, what makes someone good at games?
@@PuppyFromTheAlt 24 and still haven’t finished Sonic 3 lol. Sandopolis can eat my ass, though it’s been years since I last played.
@@PuppyFromTheAlt Nah, it makes sense, I'd only finished 2 games by the time I was 13. My little brother just turned 12 and is about to finish his first videogame
I'm 18 and I've never finished Minecraft
People who put “HeHe” at the end of their messages to annoy the crap out of the person they are talking to should be legally able to be stoned.
automatically should make someone guilty in a court of law, no ifs ands or buts about it.
I entirely agree.
HeHe
Sorry I had to do it.
@@k-fedd tread lightly. i have a bag of stones, and im hunting you down.
The devs already take psychedelics though?
@@Bruh-zx2mc stoned as in having rocks thrown at them until they d!e
Imagine being a parent and your kid is asking for a Poppy Playtime lore NFT for Christmas
Ok?
Now imagine that my neighbour buys her 5years old son poppy playtime merch and sees nothing wrong with it
@@martynaszaapska3359 BC ther is nothing wrong with it
Well, I think I would be concerned that a 5 year old child is having interest in horror game characters. They are not emotionaly mature enough for this type of content at this age.
@@martynaszaapska3359 they find it cute,they don't even think about if it's scary or not....
So, 2 things about the ekercoaster situation id like to note:
1) as someone who’s 18 years old, not much older than zach claims to be, the difference between a 15 year old to a 17/18 year old is much more immense than you give it credit for. Were not full adults yet, but we are much more mentally mature. A 17 yo harassing a 15 yo like this shouldnt be just treated like a feud between minors. There is a definite difference between the two, and that is not ok.
2) the animation sins situation reminds me of various other examples of people asking someone to stop harassing them. This was a while ago, but ive seen screenshots of someone making a legitimate request for someone to stop making videos over them out of fear of getting doxxed, and the person harassing them decided to show it in their next video. People like this are legitimate pieces of utter shit
I totally agree with point 1! I am currently 19, and the difference between a 17 year old and a 15 year old is soooo wide in their developmental stages. I think in America, it has been unfortunately normalized to lump all of the teenage years together, when the reality is that there are very large differences in maturity level between them. At 17, most are looking into colleges/careers, driving, working, and graduating high school. At 15, you're lucky if you can get your driving permit in most states, and you can't legally consent to most contracts or medical things without parental approval. Such a difference, and I wish this had been pointed out in the video a little more!
@@conanhochhalter2650 yeah! At 15 i barely even fully understood what i wanted to do in life. At 17 i took 2 ap exams specifically for college and the specific field i want to go into. Theres a huge difference between me then and me now
@@conanhochhalter2650 “A 17 yo harassing a 15 yo like this shouldn’t be just treated like a feud between minors” Its a measly 2 years fam, shit ain’t that deep goddamn 💀💀💀 The difference between those two is practically non-existent wtf you talking about, y’all probably got daddy issues or autism that makes you hyper focus on every little thing in your life to the point you cry on the computer thinking about the shit you were doing on the computer 2-3 years ago🗿
@@Sin_Doog I do have autism actually, and that doesn't make my point any less valid! two years doesn't matter when you're an adult, sure, but two years matters A LOT when you are under the age of 20, as the teenage years are some of the most active developmental years. This means that a "measly 2 years" of teenage development causes more change to your behavior than even 10 years once you are over the age of 25. I know me typing this out was pointless as I'm sure you're pretty rooted in your opinion, but I just figured I'd throw some fact out there. I will now disingage.
As someone whose been every age up until 21, this shit was just assholish.
Like idk how everyone exist but I would have avoided the fuck outta people like that.
Probably why the reason only social media I used was TH-cam.
This is kinda just morally wrong, even for young teens.
Nobody even noticed the wording of their apology lmao, It's literally "I'm offended by the claim I'm putting into your mouth right now that you said my employees were involved in my plagiarism. How dare you, my employees who I dragged into this discussion had nothing to do with it. Oh, also I did bad things in my past, that's all. I totally took down those videos when I realized I might be wrong for doing that, a couple minutes ago." There wasn't a single word of apology to their "apology", nor was there a moment of self reflection.
He knows exactly what he did and he's hoping to get away with not apologizing just to spite the guy. What a massive head gaming wanker.
Is accused of plagiarism > "why would you say my employees support plagiarism. They dont, they work super hard, they would never do that I know them very well and they wouldn't do anything bad ever."- he dodges the blame by making up another accusation lol
I think the most upsetting fact about this all is that many people and content creators will remain oblivious to this all and will still throw money at them until they get tangled on a big inevitable scandal. Which is slightly justified since the game is pretty much serviceable.
Fortunately a popular horror game focused channel called 'John Wolfe' decided to not play chapter 2 and voiced his concern and aversion to the company's actions in his latest video.
Didn't one of the people who criticized it, and a lot of other things of similar nature, decide to support it regardless? Sheeprampage or something?
@@Violetlsdoingokay John Wofle is a real one 🙏
@@TempestaDominus sheeprampage is a bitch
@@TempestaDominus I have seen people only either voice their concern or keep playing the game, never both. Idk who that guy is, so pardon for not being on the same page.
poppy's playtime has brainwashed children so much that there's this one kid in my neighborhood who had been begging me for the hands in the game because i have a 3d printer, this kid would come to my house at 7am so he could ask for them. I informed his parents to control their child (a little harsh but this had been going on for weeks so i couldn't handle it anymore) thank god they understood and told the kid to not do it. I don't blame the kid but that story alone shows that monetization can brainwash kids
Why do children think it's ok to come to your house ?
@@HitRockBoglimbecause their parents are terrible at keeping an eye on them
As an artist myself, if a younger artist saw my drawings and wanted to mimic them, I'd be flattered honestly. That's the greatest honour a creative type can receive. If they're copying me too much, I'd just politely ask them not to in private and move on. It's not offensive for someone to be inspired by your creations.
Did you miss the part where they bullied the kid for years beforehand and turned the maybe-plagiarized game into a vapid merch moneycow afterwards, or are you referring to something else?
@@dr.archaeopteryx5512 wut op just said what they would personally do if they were in the same situation not siding with the poppy's devs
Honestly it's often said sarcastically these days, but imitation really is just the highest form of flattery.
That someone would be so engaged with something that I've produced that they want to make art, fiction, etc around it would melt my heart.
It really does speak to the kind of people they were (and likely still are) that they reacted in such a way.
This not cool, your saying “younger artist” that’s offensive! call us the same as you would a regular artist.
As an artist myself, I FUCKING HATE when people copy my style even just a LITTLE. If I found you were imitating me down to a point I would ruthlessly destroy you if I had the resources available.
Poppy Playtime feels like a game that was entirely designed in a board room meeting.
Also it's pretty fuckin' rich that the channel called "Animation Sins" posting videos titled "Everything wrong with X" is accusing someone else of copying them.
I often see mobile gacha game ads and think "what a shame, this is a neat art style wasted on an obvious corporate cash grab." I never knew someone would manage to pull off an indie version of this
in peak Irony, some Mobile Gacha like Genshin, Fate Grand Order, Arknights and others do get decent stories.
...still a gacha for milking money, but they get good writters.
Poppy Playtime reminds me a lot of Evertale, in a very detached and cosmic kind of way
Evertale has been putting out extremely false ads, making it look like a creepy pokemon-esque RPG horror game, but it’s actually a shitty gacha cash grab
Poppy Playtime is a horror game, but it’s marketing and merchandise is so directed towards children that it’s barely recognizable as an actual horror game.
@@RADSPEON especially what evertale does is technically illegal since its false advertising on a paid product so yeah its gonna blow up if they keep this up and i hope it does
sadly it is what it is. I know a lot of awesome devs that started out making cool assets for mobile games simply because a)it pays the bills and b)they dont have the full range of expertise needed to create a game yet. We all gotta start somewhere right?
It's not all gloom though, it creates jobs for starting artists, and establishes a gaming industry in countries where there was previously none
@@ChemySh fair enough looking on the bright side
Not even fnaf made a movie straight after getting attention. This just shows how capitalistic they are and how they want loads of consumers
Heh
Fnaf Movie
@@bodgmasterxionobst3r983 i hope that shit never exist, video games movies never work well if not made by good hands, and scott is not a good hand for movie, lets be honest
@@killrama2222 mmm well Arcane was good, ik it's not a movie but I feel like episodes/series of a game can be said here. But yeah, they aren't always the best
@@Nervous101 thats why i said "good hand"
@AXOLOTL IN A BUCKET i mean, he is involved in fnaf, he write the scripts of the movie, he just need to be away from acting, cameras, directing, produce the movie
Looks they’re going with the hello neighbor route
>make an interesting game with decent lore
>develop a child audience
>delay updates
>sell shit ton of merchandise and sign sponsorship deals
>release mediocre updates
>repeat
Could be me tho 🤔
Is it even decent lore? It's basically just Fnaf again "oooh souls inhabit something child-friendly and it becomes murderous". It's a genius way of making most of the horror elements happen off-screen so kiddos can engage with it. This whole thing is literally just Fnaf but they're trying to deliberately do what happened organically.
@@notrod5341 I used the lore very lightly because I meant it as something that would peak the players interest
@@daniellol3210 Ah, my mistake.
No. As long as they don't steer from Chapter 1's concept & tone, it won't go that direction. Hello Neighbor failed because they kept making the house bigger and more complex. They didn't keep it simple.
@@KirbyJet14 That's not why it failed. It failed due to absolutely terrible a.i, bugs, and forcing lore over gameplay. Simply making the house bigger isn't what ruined it imo. Also, the thing about hello neighbor is it got worse with time while poppy playtime chapter 2 seems miles better than chapter 1 imo at least. Honestly, seeing the advancements made both technically and gameplay-wide gives me hope that viewing the product as a game, merch and controversies aside, the final product may be objectively pretty decent.
I feel for Ekrcoaster on a personal level and the "apology" really fucking pissed me off. Admitting that they did something wrong, but then trying to downplay it as "we were being nicer tho" is way too common of an excuse and doesn't absolve anyone of guilt. Don't even mention that detail. Outta here with that shit
Stuff like this disgusts and infuriates me. There are many struggling game creators out there, who would die to get this notoriety. These developers are sick. And these developers ate arguably the scummiest and most arrogant game developers of all time. This is an insult to not just the horror industry, but gaming as a whole.
So not only are they money grubbers, but they're now cannibalizing other devs?? When will it end??
It's an insult to human society as a whole
the game called Projekt Z seems promising, and they are struggling funding it via kickstarter ;c
It's not the developers, they just make what they're told by the higher ups to not get fired. It's the people handling making decisions to blame.
Though you might be right if Mob Games was a very small team of few people, but I don't know how many people they have in the company.
The developers are a good people they did a good job of what the disgusting higher ups asked them to do
teenagers use the "minor" excuse when it gets them out of having to deal with the consequences of their actions. If you try to give a 17yr old a kids meal, they'd tell you they are 'basically an adult' and would never. Then they get caught bullying someone smaller than them (in age and social media following) and excuse it away as them being underage/not knowing any better. Ugh
I hate when people use this as an excuse for just whatever, because it started as minors (rightfully) pointing out that being bullied/harassed by an adult is weird and gross. Which is a very valid point.
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
"I'll tell you the problem with this game model that you're using here: it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done, and you took the next step. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had you merchandised it, you licensed it out, and now you're selling it. You're selling it."
To speak more seriously, Poppy Playtime just sounds so inorganic and fake. Was its company the first to make horror games for kids and influencers? No, it wasn't. But it's the first one that feels so scummy, fake, and corporate. And not in a "we're milking this franchise dry" kind of way, but in a "corporate, pre-packaged product that activates all the proper neurons without sustenance" kind of way. It's like they're developing a franchise at x3 speed.
Great quote
Slap that shit on a lunchbox
They've only coughed up an apology as their actions are affecting reviews and hitting their bottom line. They're greedy and narcissistic sociopath with no understanding of consequences
some people know and dont care
@@andrewkaminskas7721 it's unfortunate, most let's players either acknowledge it briefly and move on or just ignore it
Sociopaths/psychopaths dont exist and lumping mental health conditions together under 1 slur is a very psychopathic thing to do.
BTW, you can't refund the game. I bought it a couple weeks ago, haven't even installed it, and when I go to refund it it says "this purchase contains consumable content that cannot be refunded". Really just goes to show the kind of company these guys are.
Jesus, that's an even bigger red flag
@Doctor Whos don’t you think it would say that if that was the problem? No where did it say that it was a deadline issue, it specifically said that it was some type of microtransaction made within the game. Plus, steam doesn’t automatically reject your refund requests based on the deadline, the request would still go through, but wouldn’t be accepted.
@@Gemotroy steam refund policy is 2 weeks and less than 2 hours of gametime, still sus that it includes “consumable content”
@@dannyboy643ify from my experience it’s 3 weeks but I’m not too sure. Regardless the “consumable content” thing has nothin to do with the deadline.
@Doctor Whos it depends on the reasoning of the refund but your refund is guaranteed if it meets the requirements which is the under 2 hours and 2 weeks thing
I think Poppy's devs might've shot themselves in the foot here. In the argument against their game being a copy, the statement reads Poppy was in development for "months." *Months.* Meanwhile, Ekercoaster says his was in development for years, 2017 and 2018. Changing months to years would be vague, but it wouldn't have just killed their entire case already with that slipup.
this games development has been sus to say the least
Oh hey there.
Yeah, but people will support them regardless so yeah.
Yep
OMG SHEEPRAMPAGE yeah I already didn't care much for it, and then I saw how much pure monetization they were adding to it. It's a shame that this drama probably won't end up having anything good come out of it, and emob and his brother will end up getting away with making a crap game and gaining a gigaton of profit off of it.
Is it as they say, more sus than a character from among us?
The company selling out immediately? Literally within the release of the first chapter? That immediately tells me that the quality will be focused on the money rather than the product.
In short, I sure as shit don't trust them either.
It was a 10 minute tech demo with the most generic trope filled gameplay design with the literal only interesting part was the animation used in the single big monster hallway/vent chase everything else from the location to monster and even sound design & eerie events were out of horror game design 101.
I could tell it was goin to be shit with the outcome of chapter 2. They literally kept another version of chapter 2 and a debug mode in the files. They probably changed it because many theories on the game were spot on. I’m tired of these shitty horror games changing there story half way because of TH-cam theorists.
No they put so much work in to their game. Dont just assume things.
@@nicokitty5522 that’s just how people treat money hungry game companies. If they didn’t want people to assume that then they shouldn’t have crossed so many lines with the merch and should have waited to start making a movie.
@@liviwaslost its not even that much merch, also they do not force anyone to buy it so why the fk do people even have opinions on it? What line did they cross with the merch? They cant proffit out of their own work now and get paid for their work so they can make a living out of it?
might as well shut these guys down before they get any bigger. the shady history, of harassing the smaller creator (despite him not wanting to have anything bad to the bigger guys that messed with him) should not go unpunished. if it still hurts him to this day, then personally, its more than clear that this has deeply affected him, and probably still does even now.
wish him the best. cus im countin on echo on getting to places. you got my full support my dude, and you deserved far better instead of letting those guys just walk away like that acting like nothing happened.
Yup. They’re not sorry. They’re already bitching that people are giving them grief over this, when it’s their fault it ever happened in the first place. That’s sociopathic behavior, as far as I’m concerned. Screw ‘em. Post *their* actual sins everywhere. See how they like it.
i promise you poppy playtime is NOT going to be canceled, it will keep going, all the hate didn’t stop chapter 2 from being incredibly successful
@@runker3892 TY. finally someone mentions animation sins. i loved that channel but when i found out what theyd done its disgusfing
Yeah
Scott Cawthon did to horror as what Amnesia The Dark Descent did for horror too, they pioneered a lot and spawned a lot of imitators. That said, I'm still surprised that mascot horror is still a thing. I'd assume that everyone has moved onto Lovecraftian horror already... which, I admit, that genre is also starting to feel passe these days. That also said, Poppy Playtime doesn't deserve my playtime, even if the devs weren't acting like jerks.
Kids as young as 4 are obsessed with this game. I work with kids and they knew about whatever this game was long ago. You're 100% correct, Kids talk about it in the same breath as granny, baldy basics, fnaf etc
Same thing happens with my impressionable little brother, unfortunately. He’s already been addicted to those Poppy Playtime cringe animations on TH-cam Kids (I don’t understand why the algorithm is mislabelling these videos for “kids”, despite the inappropriate content in there) and kept talking about it every single day, much to my annoyance.
@@zurgcrush I mean it's not very good or healthy content for kids to grow up with, especially that young and impressionable. If anything it's mind numbing for them.
heart goes out to Ekr for bringing this to everyone’s attention. i’m proud of them for being brave, and i hope this situation can get resolved because this whole thing makes me sick
if you double down and lie about doing something everyone already knows you did, you arent going anywhere but backwards. hope the innocent employees of MOB games face no backlash and that the ones who arent get what they deserve
Yes. I pray Justice for that Kid. These Executives cannot get away this.
Honestly, I'm just wishing they would redeem themselves from their mistakes. I do not care about further backlash as these past months of controversy already speak for themselves, because seeing their beginnings from when they used to do Minecraft Animations (And please mind they collaborated with a lot of music artists such as TryHardNinja, CG5, Dan Bull, etc. ), I just don't want all that talent to be wasted on having a tainted name.
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
All the signs were there from the beginning and I'm more impressed that the devs were THIS quick to fall into the rabbit hole of selling themselves out. it's really unfortunate too. Some of the game's aspects did look promising from the start and I really hoped that they'd at least have a somewhat finished game before using the game to fuel their content farm :/
It's not the developers, it's someone on the higher up. The dev job is to develop, while the higher up are the one that make businesses decision like making nft, movie, and etc
@@agamer5953 🙏💖✨
@@GothicFoxglove 👍
I hate it too, but I honestly can’t BLaME them gaming companies for any of these types of decisions as most games lose mass revenue to pirates and lack of copyright protection allowing other companies to create a replica and leech the market.
Can you really blame these companies for having money as their priority when the gamer community themselves are money grubbers and thieves?
Like blaming a movie production company for having garbage scripts nowadays when you or at least your peers refuse to give them a single penny...
Imagine owning a company and having the same communities who are notorious for stealing your product cry about its quality...
Why people gonna blame the devs when the higher ups are always the reason sh*t like this happens.
The plushies literally look like something you could get for $5 at Walmart
Literally i could go to the grocery store that is near my house and get a (probably rip-off) of puppy playtime plushie with like probably $5 to $2….
I somehow got wrangled into buying my son some Siren Head toys last Christmas. 😆. They were shite
@@dry4smash946 Bruh those things look like the ripoffs and they're supposed to be official. I bet I could find a "knock-off" plush of these characters that's twice the quality at like a third of the price.
@@aegisScale yea thats what i mean, they are almost the quality
They look like a goddamn dog toy
In conclusion: Poppy Playtime is the only "indie" game you're allowed to pirate
nah, there are a LOT more. Indie game devs have a massive subsection of scumbags. Why would you even bother pirating their shit? Beats me, but unless you actually believe in the devs and their vision, pirate EVERYTHING.
I wouldn’t even bother Pirating this game it’s just a huge sellout
I don't think it would even be worth the effort for a game that's only an hour long
@@truemoon4545 I thought you can pirate for free?
@UC--8ZVlvWez_wFaDyHZ2Qfw Yeah I do that but this kind of game it’s not worth it.
Wow, I didn't realize how bad the situation had become. I heard about the NFTs and vague mentions of bullying, but this is next level. If anything, the "apology" for releasing NFTs being so soon after their release makes me realize that none of this was thought out to be a long-term passion project. Nobody asked for this.
Exactly
When i Heard about their nfts, i realized how bad it is
I would love for someone else other than MOB that's actually passionate about this game to take over. The actual devs behind the game know what they're doing, but MOB had to fuck everything up. At least we know their true colors.
I have seen Wii Shovelware that had more heart put into it.
I’ve been getting death threats for talking about the poppy playtime devs, glad someone big will speak out about them.
what...
Damn and my friend's niece, is obsessed with poppy playtime, kinda feel bad, she's only 8, she's just a child and now war is coming and we will all die....we will all die
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца Skill issue???
@@КГБКолДжорджКостанца i am confused
@@arandomcommenter412 ? No just scared that my country and my brother are going to war
I find it silly how people doing the "childhood thing is evil" keep giving them features like razor sharp teeth. It doesn't make any sense story-wise, making it seem less like something innocent turned evil and more like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Agreed. Some real young kids end up seeing this stuff. Not sure that is good
31:20 "When you hear a minor is having a mental health crisis, you shift the gears in reverse," (loose quote).
The fact that a poor 15 year old was bullied this harshly for their animations makes me sick.
really fucked up. no human being, regardless of their decisions, deserves to be treated in such a way.
Never knew how much MOB and his “friends” can build up so much stored up BS to literally bully a minor and think “oh well just brush it off and move on 😃”
WRONG. When you either bully or make fun of someone it sticks with them forever and the victim will remember it for the rest of their days.
I do not care how many followers or subscribers, or even how old the bully is. They NEED to be held accountable for their actions
Whaaat? No way! Even Muta covered it?!? I'm just stoked he didn't call me "thief king" - this time it was poor "sheep-ram-rampage" who got their channel name butchered 😆
If you'd told me this could've happened four months ago when I started making videos... I would not have believed you, hah.
I know you...
It's good to see Muta share the same opinion, especially after seeing your videos covering it. Last I saw someone big cover the controversy was Critikal, but was kind of disappointed on how poorly he read the situation.
Not going to say your videos were the sole reason for proper coverage of the situation, but they were a major catalyst.
Is this a reference to John Wolfe’s video? Lmaooo
Congrats Brether!
Bro, I saw your video and have been spreading it like wildfire. So glad even Papa Muta hopped on. Keep it up, m8.
the fact that they bullied ekrcoaster constantly and talked crap about him says a lot about them. they honestly should've stopped and left him alone, once he asked them to. ontop of all of that, they acted as if them bullying ekrcoaster was 100% okay and that ekrcoaster would just laugh it off with them. hopefully ekrcoaster is doing a lot better both mentally and physically nowadays.
Ethan/Ekrcoaster has pretty much put that behind him so that’s good I guess.
@@cheatcode436 I'm glad he was able to put all of that horrible stuff behind him. hopefully he never had to deal with anything like that ever again.
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
@@RandomSwiftie13 it's messed up that they did that.
@@arcticxabyss ikr! They lost all of the barely remaining respect I had for them and their company.
Hits way too close to home to hear this aspiring young creator get mocked by folks older and more popular who unfortunately hit success while the other deteriorated their mental health more. I hope justice is served for this guy.
This isn't even a game catered to kids; it's catered to their parent's wallets.
Lol "MOM GET ME V BUCKS I DONT CARE IF WERE POOR GET ME THEM I NEED NEW FORTNITE SKIN"
@@thebrownbanana7863 🤣🤣🤣🤣 NOT THE FORTNITE SKINS!!!
@@thxwanderer I KNOW RIGHT?! Just to let you know, my 4-year-old younger brother kept begging me to buy Poppy Playtime merchandise for him. In fact, he’s addicted to those cringe animations on TH-cam every single fucking day! Since he’s obviously still a child with an underdeveloped mind, I don’t think he knew anything about this controversy.
I don't get your point because that's pretty much every product ever that's made for kids.
Cartoons in the 80s were the same. Just like video games now, look at Fortnite. I remember when my little brother stole his dad's credit card information for around $800 in VBucks. That's the point of something free directed at children, it starts off not needing money to easily hook children in and the parents will fall for it as well due to it being free. Then all the in game cosmetics are like $20 to the point where toys can be sold at the same price.
Also, thank you for talking about this issue Muta. I felt horrible for the animator. Been in their spot before, feeling suicidal at a young age and reading it almost made me cry. Adults can be so insanely mean to kids on the internet, like please, go do your taxes.
But what if you’re an adult then you have to do YOUR taxes too
@@calebdonaldson7044 but what if they have an accountant?
@@fresanegra77 then that contradicts the other adults that could potentially have accountants as well
@@calebdonaldson7044 why would that contradict them tho?
@@fresanegra77 because if you insult an adult to do their taxes then the accountant would do it for them completely erasing the argument that these adults would do their own taxes. It’s a stupid insult really, people doing normal people things, that’ll show em
10 bucks for an hour of playtime!?
Dude, Vampire Survivors is like 3 bucks and so far I've sunk 130+ hours into it
We aren't supposed to put an hour to dollars ratio
I bought Terraria for 5 bucks and sunk 100+ hours
@@dream6562 Using that ratio can be pretty stupid, but I feel like it's pretty valid for something that is this absurdly short.
@@hoodedman6579 meh I still don't feel good about it, either we treat games as a product in which the hours to dollars ratio will apply, or games are art and the dollar to hour ratio does not apply
@@dream6562 hours to dollar ratio can both be good and bad depending on what type of game, tho i would agree overall its bad as short but really good games would fall short and any and all grindathon survival games would have an infinite ratio
however if its more an average quality game/ one that focusses on gameplay and not story, i think it can sometimes be applied
I find it hilarious that the merch and NFTs cost more than the actual game
It’s depressing how much we target ‘horror’ games towards kids just because it’s easier than making a game with actually good horror. Kids eat up mediocre horror games like this, and it thus it becomes popular and encourages more of this garbage.
And then when good horror games like It Steals and No One Lives Under the Lighthouse comes out…no one ever says anything or plays them…
@@Merudiana-the-local-demoness don’t forget iron lung.
@@chez_fries1015 and Darkwood
Ever since that shitty fnaf came out everybody has been trying to copy it. Its like the dark night mostly every dc movie for a few years tried copying it. Its sad seeing good games being crushed under comple corporate trash.
@@chez_fries1015 Iron lung is the real good shit. I see some gameplay on TH-cam and I really looking forward to buy it.
I could smell the greed from a mile away when I first saw this game. I was a huge, diehard Bendy fan and have genuinely never been so disappointed in my entire life. I was so hopeful only to be slapped across the face with Chapter 5.
Ever since then I’ve been so cynical of indie games, if they make you pay for each installment and the second “chapter” isn’t any better than the first... run for the hills.
Edit: I also wanted to say thank you for covering this, I’ve been so heartbroken about how Ethan was treated and it makes me happy to see you covering it ❤️
Bendy chapter 5 was so disappointing. I remember that I was in school and spent the whole day anxious to see the chapter, and then. THEN I saw the actual chapter. I just sat there and said "what in the world did I just watch???"
@@nicolebrown1874 EXACTLY. I was in a goddamn Taco Bell so excited only for my world to completely shatter around it. Nothing mattered!! It wasn’t even real!!!! Who cares!!!!!!!!!!
Mind explaining the whole chapter 5 thing to someone who has never touched bendy?
Hey, probably not a henre that will interest you but have a look at Deep Rock Galactic. Idk if it still counts as an indie but it is a well cared for game. (Simply put, 1-4 player solo/co-op game, where u play as 1 of 4 dwarves within the cave systems of the most dangerous and richest planet known; PvE)
@@NemoracStrebor The chapter 5 fiasco is basically the chapter is a buggy mess. Game crashing, glitching AI and accidental softlock just to name a few. There isn't a patch to fix the mess to this day even when they port the game to consoles.
I hated how as soon as this game became popular, all of the pop up stores at my mall were selling cheap poppy playtime stuffed animals and stuff. Just like how when among us and squid game blew up, stores started merchandising the shit out of it
Well that’s capitalism for you.
I feel that the original five nights at Freddys wasn’t a “horror game for kids” due to the fact the game was not marketed towards kids, and was just a developer’s last try at any game.
1,2 and 3 definitely weren't
Even the more blatant ones like Bendy and Hello Neighbor didn't start as kids horror games and dabbled in satanic themes and murder and other dark subject matter, not to mention the atmosphere of the early bendy chapters and hello neighbor alphas were golden compared to the full release of both gamss
Fnaf only really started turning into horror for kids after that Fnaf world game because Scott was getting tired of just doing extremely dark and depressing horror, but that only worked for me up until pizzeria simulator and then the other games after it just kept feeding into its own worst qualities.
I am not too happy with indie horror following hard into that direction.
@@LordDaret I hate wrong with pizza sim? I thought it was a good conclusion to the series
I think Muta was more or less referencing FNAF's latest entry: Security Breach. The game is good don't get me wrong but it lacks the suspenseful atmosphere that came from working in a pizzeria at night by yourself or any of the other settings in past FNAF games. Security Breach goes for a bright colorful aesthetic which while it is nice, means that the only scary parts are when you're being hunted by the Glamrock animatronics.
Poppy is to the “horror for children” genre what Overwatch was for eSports. There was no grassroots competitive scene for overwatch, from pretty much day one they were hyping up the OWL and all of these tournaments and such, and it really spoke to a level of presumptuousness and artificiality that would have killed any other product had it not been for the fact that Blizzard’s name still held some merit.
When FNAF made it big, it was a fluke, a Hail-Mary that managed to land, it was just Scott playing into Jim Sterling making fun of his art style and actually making a horror game, we didn’t see that game explode into a massively marketed and overly merchandised IP until at least the second game.
Poppy feels like if someone with a time machine went back in time and tried to invest hundreds of millions of dollars into FNAF before the game even launched. It reeks of hubris on the suits’ part.
*Correction: Markipier played the original FNAF 3 years before Jim did, He just took the credit, which is apparent when he jumped on the Scott Cawson cancel train and made it about himself.
@@LasagaMan but I remember watching Jim make fun of his previous games, even comparing them to creepy animatronics. I remember Jim covering the game after it achieved notoriety, and was like “oh hey, this is the guy that made those Christian games with the creepy 3d models.” My memory’s still hazy, this was back when Steam Greenlight was a thing and now Jim transitioned or something idk. Point is it was a grassroots thing.
You have incredible literacy
@@messmermusicals1367 I’ve no idea why, but hearing that from a perfect stranger resonates with me in a way that I’ve never felt before. Feels nice. Thanks, m8.
@@punishedbung4902 Reading your comment felt smooth, could clearly imagine a voice in my head. You also pick great figures of speech and ways to form your sentences. I don't usually like staying on these "Corpo Bad, look out", videos, but you have made your point, the problematics of this issue completely clear to me. And thus, to ease my anguish, I thought of spreading positivity and tell you how I feel about your one of a kind phrasing.
They called themselves "indie" developers, but they aggressively commercialized this game to such a soulless degree that it would make even EA blush.
Poppy Playtime definitely has intrigue and I’m curious to see where it goes, but good god is it trying to be FNAF so freaking badly that it leaves a sour taste. At least wait until you have more than two chapters before selling out.
When you're a young artist, you're going to pull from things you like. You gotta get through the cringey copy phase to understand what you are
Eventually you piece together a lot of your different inspirations into your own unique style.
its plagiarism if it's copied from one person, if you copy from multiple people its research (saying this in jest)
@@Abeardeen that's what art schools teach you, it's not copying, it's "getting inspired by"
This is super true, when I first began drawing I took inspiration from so many other things that eventually formed into my own art style unique from the inspirations.
@@Abeardeen to be fair, most of the artists I've learned from say to 'steal' from everything, but don't 'actually' steal it. Even then copying something is fine, just not if you put your name to it and pretend it's yours. Copying is usually good for learning something for the first time as it can teach how it works if you know what you're looking for!
So you may be saying in jest, but it's entirely true lol.
@@Grigeral consider the following:
why waste a lifetime like ye olde' masters when you can speedrun the process and get to a desired point much faster and efficiently by learning from others? that's called progress in almost every other sector, and is considered a good thing, the only people who claim otherwise are gatekeeping assholes that you shouldn't give the time of day.
Considering the developers already had a youtube animation channel dedicated to parodies of viral video games like Minecraft, Friday Night Funkin, Bendy, and Among Us (SUSUSUSUS), it's so obvious they wanted to make Poppy as a way to get viral. So they can make more money not just from the game but from youtube revenue via the Zamimation and EnchantedMOB channels.
It’s not the developers who are behind the TH-cam animation channel, it’s the people behind them. The devs actually care about the game but all the people behind the devs want is money.
I think that definitely just proved the similarities between Poppy Playtime and Bendy and the Ink Machine correct.
A former employee exploring an abandoned workplace involving children’s entertainment where everyone disappeared due to mysterious circumstances and they find out the boss was up to weird supernatural shenanigans, such as bringing their characters back to life. Does that sound familiar to you?
@@Noelle_Holiday Oh god. I just realized that now.
This game actually looked very cool and different in the beginning. A mix of portal and amnesia in a way. But horror games get bad when they are made suited for children.
I agree and the best example of this is sadly security breach.
Poppy playtime has a good looking art style and a fun mechanic (with the hands) however their main audience are children, that is why they make it so colorful and why they make the puzzles so easy.
Speaking of puzzles, poppy playtime chapter two feels more like a puzzle game than a horror game.
At least it doesn't try to remove anything that has to do with violence and blood from the game like security breach did to be "child friendly", in a story about murdered children.
In the artistic perspective it is good looking the gameplay is decent enough but it is absolutely nothing revolutionary.
In the moral perspective it is a huge operation to get as much money as possible from their young audience.
Fnaf also sold merchandise however Scott didn't overdid it at first but poppy playtime, they immediately went to the NFT route (easy money from dumb people)
Even that they thought(they did) of selling NFTs shows us how greedy they are.
It never had an ounce of potential, it was a shameless FNAF wannabe clone since day one, there wasn't a single original idea.
@@_-Lx-_ I agree that it is just trying to be the next fnaf like game (business wise).
It is pretty boring for someone like me that played many horror games.
I hate horror for kids
@@Emtiskay security breach also had massive stability issues which didn’t help
More like portal and fnaf security breach. Amnesia is an experience that cannot be compared to Poppy’s Playtime. One is great and the other is Poppy’s Playtime.
Also the bullying that went on actually reminds me of what I've gone through and it's just plain harassment - causing someone suicidal by repeatedly doing this for years is disgusting and I wish Ekrocoaster could sue them tbh
'suicidal' bro your taking it too far, sure its something to get sad but its legit just internet drama, calm tf down.
Thanks for covering this, Muta. This issue needs more coverage!
@YeaMan you got trash on your page actually 🤡
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this is like hello neighbor pt 2
both games had a play through video boom on TH-cam
over time, both of them took on an aesthetic appealing to kids
more and more monetization, and branching out to other media such as tv and movies
Also maybe even bendy and the ink machine, it would be even funnier though if the last few chapters turned out as badly as those
the difference is the devs for hello neighbor arent the worst guys out there, they were just greedy
@@stillchill0 Didn’t they also desperately attempt to coerce MatPat into making theories about the Hello Neighbor animated pilot?
@@Noelle_Holiday yeah
it makes me so sad that poppy playtime is so popular, it irks me to know that these shitty people behind it are getting all this success and attention while ekrcoaster had to suffer AND get his work stolen, no less. my heart goes out to ekr and i hope he gets more support
As adults, what excuse do they have to run from consequences of their past.
They're apologizing so they won't get goatse, not because they regretted bullying the person.
"I bullied you before? Sorry, not sorry."
They're not sorry for what they did, they're sorry that they got caught. Simple as.
@@Tander098 What a original comment.
@@NuclearNuke41
Holds true so why complain
@@Aloewaves Who is complaining?
So should people call you out for your past now? i bet you have made alot of mistakes as well
I’m glad you and other bigger TH-camrs are finally talking about this. What the devs did was incredibly insensitive and their actions since have been hella shady. Great vid as always and can’t wait to see what you come up with next!!
”Finally” everyone is talking about it, but yet ppl still make this video to milk money and views themselves its kinda double standards.
The easiest cash grab now is making a ""horror"" game for 7 year olds and game theory, prepare merch in advanced and watch that shit get like 30 fangames on Roblox.
Doing game-wars with roblox and shit is literally immature, don’t try and make someone feel bad for what they play. like that’s stupid and dumb.
As someone trying to get into game development with an idea for a story and genre and, even concept art. This terrifies me.
Ok?
Wish you luck on production.
The games themselves are ok, even though they’re pretty generic. It’s clear to me they just want to cash out and run. As for the movie thing, people are only gonna watch it to make fun of it. People have already been comparing it to Morbius.
"I LOVE MORBIUS" meme will come back except it's gonna be fnaf or poppys
@@TheBlackSpartan103 my favorite part of the movie was when he said “ITS MORBIN’ TIME” and morbed all over those guys
@@MrHalonoob117 saaammmee
Truly one of the movies of all time
scripting is surprisingly good for the scenes, but all you can say is that, especially when its all a chapter will feature. Showing off your good scripting you're packaging off as a full game is one thing, but death threats and selling out with nfts and a movie is another.
They literally removed the price of the base game after the 'dlc' came out and charged like 8 euros for that, that alone seems really off to me.
Even PUBG/CSGO is less sus than that
You get compensation for purchasing players
What enrages me is that a midtier game with midtier devs gets greenlit for a movie, but SCP: Heretic couldn't be produced due to lack of funding. It's shitty man :[
I think it speaks for itself when that one cardboard cut out of the bunny has the date set to markipliers birthday and nobody else's, it could've been cool if it looked at your computers birthday, but instead it says to me that they expected mark to play it to garner attention like fnaf and the other indie games, which really seems scummy
Good God even Alex Mahan waited for people to be CONSISTENTLY making loads of content for his game before referencing them
that’s a lot of birthdays to say tho but i mean yeah it would’ve been cool
What's even sadder is that I watched the video of him playing it with a sibling (I used to watch his stuff back in the glory days of 2013 or so and still enjoy it now and again) and he was just deadpan looking at it and said "huh that's just public information". He had more fun hitting the cutout in the face.
They had deleted the videos BUT THEN they literally re-uploaded all those 6 "sin" videos again on TH-cam sending another wave of hate towards Ethan. They have not changed. It's all about money for them.
@@realestsienna all you gotta do is just make textures for numbers from 0 to 9 and dots, that's all you need to generate every single birthday.
The thing that's really sad about all this is all the rest of the development team that had absolutely zero say in the decisions made by the top executives, but they still often get grouped in with the executive's horrible decision making. I couldn't feel as though there was a fair few contributors who work behind the scenes genuinely wanted the game to be good.
I bought the first chapter and enjoyed it, but I've elected not to support them in any way, shape or form going forward. The CEO deserves to have the Artesian Builds treatment
I uninstalled the game as soon as the NFTs were announced
@@theq4602 Q! You're behind this entire debacle, aren't you...? Go bother Picard or Janeway and let us have our subpar horror experiences in peace! 😏😂
@@LucienYT haven't you heard? The trial never ends.
@@LucienYT wtf
@@thatbloomer5642 That explains why Picard looks to damn tired in the new series...
I’m absolutely sure someone has already said this, but the heavy merchandise push really feels like those 70s cartoons everyone hears about. The cartoons basically made to shill toys and action figures like this. Ironically, I think if NFTs had been possible back then, those same cartoons/companies would probably be pushing NFT lore merchandise too
No your absolutely right though. It’s a bit scary how bad it’s getting. Did you know you used to not be allowed to advertise 1:1 models of toys in the content of your tv show because of regulations by the fcc? But then Ronald Reagan deregulated advertising to children and companies went wild with it
I saw two 5yo at a grocery store carrying around those plushies the other day. These devs are making bank....
I have really mixed feelings about these children's horror games. I was a spooky little baby bat once upon a time so I know there is a market for kids who want scares. That said yeah the merchandising is a bit aggressive & it feels like these cash grabs flooded the market immediately.
At least Scott had some integrity.
It’s rather depressing to see that this entire subgenre is oversaturated with garbage like these, you know. When I was just a kid like you, I grew up watching stuff like Courage the Cowardly Dog, Invader Zim, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Gravity Falls, etc. Nowadays, shameless cash grabs such as Poppy Playtime are now considered to be the “child-friendly horror” of our current generation.
@@Noelle_Holiday yeah. you cant just take something normal and everyday and just add sharp teeth. its been done to death and just isnt scary.
@@Noelle_Holiday yes I was an adult by the time gravity falls came out but Courage, Grim, & invader Zim where excellent and 3 very different takes on the "spooky kids" subgenres. Courage was heart felt, Grim was funny & weird for its own sake, & Zim was full on cynical dark comedy for kids.
@𝙰𝚛𝚒𝚏𝚞𝚖𝚒 yeah I wasn't a fan of his games but in retrospect he clearly understood both tension building & game design. Also he actually sold a complete game and then made merchandise. He put in the work so it doesn't feel like a shake down.
@@Issengan very true. At this point I'd be scarier if it didn't have generic monster teeth.
This game feels like a failed Fnaf knock off that makes you laugh hard or bored instead of scared
- NFTs
- Bullying
- Merch of low effort creations
- Movie in the making of a half hour game
- Blatant copy images
If these don't scream scam or cash grab, idk what to tell ya
it's not failing it's doing pretty good chapter 2 is amazing plus they need that money to pay their employees stupid and also making a movie takes years all chapters will probably be released when the movie is going to come out
@@Pekkinducks
1. They have NFTs, and merch, yet they still ask for more money? Plus, even if they took those out, they're complete asses
And 2. Why is the movie in the making when EVERYTHING isn't in the game yet? That's like saying i just make a regular sandwich, and I tell people I'm becoming the new Gordon Ramsey... if the game is a few years old and so many people like it, then MAYBE there's room for a poppy film
@Reflection not only NFT and Merch, they look low effort
Their greed aside, they bullied a person who wanted to be on their side... it's the spit on the face
@@Pekkinducks Don't spend ur mother's money on this game kid
@@Pekkinducks calm down timmy give mommy her phone back
This video was uncannily on time. My job just got brand new Poppy Playtime merch. All I could think was "uh did more chapters come out? Pretty sure there's only one right?". I know the devs need money to make their game but it does sound like they're just using their game to be greedy, their "passion project" which doesn't seem so passionate anymore.
Eh it is passionated. they have put so much work and money in to chapter 2
Here in the Philippines, you can even go to brick-and-mortar stores in the mall to purchase Poppy Playtime pillows and stuffed animals for kids.
Imagine being a kid and waking up next to huggy wuggy every morning
Every time I see a new “horror” game like this, I immediately know I won’t be interested. It’s so obvious that things like this are just trying to cheat the same success Five Nights and Freddy’s got. Make a game for TH-camrs to react to, make some vague “lore” for a Game Theory, and merchandize as much as possible. It worked with FNAF because nothing like that had ever happened before, but this is just the same garbage Hello Neighbor or that retro animation game (I can’t recall the name) did. It’ll just fizzle out and nobody will care anymore.
Edit: I was talking about Bendy and the Ink Machine with the “retro animation” comment. Hadn’t watched the full video when typing so thanks Mutahar for mentioning it.
If you can't even get the name of the game correct, then how do you know enough about it to make a judgement call?
@@LeBatteur ughhh its just bendy. they meant bendy. stop with this bullshit argument everyone knows the history with that game
Thanks for calling them out. Gamers neeed to know not every indie developer are "Wholesome 100".
YandereDev and Digital Homicide Studios: “First time?”
Can't even call them indie at this point since the games have significant backing now
The thing about other "family friendly horror games" is that they waited a good bit to release merch. I think Fnaf had a very small amount of merch back in late 2014- early 2015. It was a small merch company called Sanshee. The bigtime, in your face, walmart, mass produced shit didn't come out until late 2015. By that time 4 Fnaf games had released. As for Bendy, 3 chapters had released. Merch didn't really start until like late 2017. It was well into development, and had been around for a bit less than a year.
Easy difference is Scott didn’t expect fnaf to get as big as it did, while these guys seem to make Poppy Playtime JUST to make merch.
And Sanshee was pretty good at keeping quality.
THEN FUNKO KEEPS GIVING THE CLASSIC ANIMATRONICS UPPER TEETH.
John Wolfe made a decent video bringing up his issues for not playing the second one and honestly it was like a breathe of fresh air since I’ve personally seen a crap ton of people still play it regardless of issues, in fact John even called it out in the first game that they’ll completely sell out the game and milk it like a cash cow
I know I am extremely late for this but can you link the video of John Wolfe, I don't see it
If you watched some glitch hunters for the first game you’d see that the ai is pretty bad. They follow a direct path for most of the game. If you manage to find an area that fits outside of that path you can dodge the ‘monster’ for that entire chase sequence. Kinda funny, even moist critikal did it in his playthrough, but it does show lazy coding.
Glitching through objects isn’t lazy coding per se as much as it’s lazy environment creation. Basic collider coding is usually solid enough to avoid warping through an object’s normals, given the environmental artist actually placed the meshes properly.
Wow, this Poppy Playtime game has a really suspenseful, well-animated chase sequence. Can't wait to buy the game and support such talented and passionate devs...
...Oh.
isnt it hilarious how this game 's devs were so down bad it created history by being the first indie game ever to understandably pirate.
@@namkwal
Isn't even indie cuz its backed by a company who produces minecraft children videos lol
@@Aloewaves If their Poppy Playtime game isn’t technically considered to be indie, then what term should we describe its genre? Pseudo-Indie?
@@Noelle_Holiday wouldn't it be AA?
@@MediKitt Double-A?
I was always skeptical about these "horror" games that actually have no atmosphere or substance and feel factory manufactured, but now I understand why, an hour long episodic game made for streamers for the sole purpose of shilling merch, people need to understand that indies are not innocent and they're often as corrupt as corporate if not even more, I hope these revelations are eye opening.
The entire horror genre has become predictable, especially if you have a strong separation between the game and reality.
I really don’t like the merch and other shit things they are doing but to be fair I am ready to hate chapter 2 (after hearing they announce a movie before they even finished the game 😭) but surprisingly chapter 2 is really good, now I am conflicted. I really like the game but the creators- I am pretty sure most of the staff that are in charge really want to make the game really good and you can see that in chapter 2 and after chapter 2 I am actually excited for future chapters but yeah I am not a fan of the CEO(s)
I know a song that will help you out here, "do what you want because a pirate is free, you are a pirate."
View it like EA. Battlefield 1 is my favorite shooting game, but EA is terrible and therefore I won't spend money on any other product they make.
@@bloorb0569 Yarr har fiddle dee dee
Being a pirate is alright to be
I mean I like the crisis franchise, doesn't mean I can't despise EA .
I think chapter 2 is actually good, well... atleast better than security breach...
It's more scary