They sleep in the bed they made. You can only get away with abusing the players trust and under-delivering for so long. The execs took the game EXACTLY where they wanted it to be and made a shit ton of money by focusing on micro transactions rather than innovation and ingenuity Squandered potential beyond belief.
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Deciding to put your main game that hosts your entire community and makes all the money on life support so you can work on a game that doesn’t even physically exist yet was quite the choice. Betting everything on a game that frankly I don’t think will be all that successful. Not with how much talent is exiting the studio.
@tayoffbeat i will also point out that the four other projects failed and were scrapped. So, instead of reinvesting the player base back into the game that was making them money, they litterally threw it away and then had the gaul to blame their player base for losing money and the fact their company is burning to the ground.
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I am happy that Bungie and Destiny 2 are going down the shitter, it is about time All the former glory is gone and it is heartbreaking, but people should move on to other games that are actually good
Bruh marathon coming out 2025 is gonna be brutal. Theres so many other games coming out that year. Like GTA 6. My opinion, rockstar's gonna wipe the floor with them
I think Gladd said it best. "Its like being in an abusive relationship". I believe he also said "JUST LEAVE!!!". He called it. D3 wont solve a thing. People are so burned by Bungie that they are leaving all they built in D2. Dont think they will invest in another game just to get manipulated again. If Bungie changed leadership they would maybe have a chance with a D3 but same corporate leadership will bring the same greed.
I legitimately don’t think it’s a leadership issue when talking about d3. It’s an entire studio that’s burned out on Destiny. Look at bungie during Halo they wanted to move on after 2 but contracted to make 3, reach and odst. It’s an entire studio culture. D3 won’t solve a thing yeah but people who believe it will forget that D2 vanilla almost killed it all. The people behind d2 vanilla left and made concord and look at where that ended up.
I made a comment like this and someone came back at me hard saying it's disrespectful to people in real toxic abusive relationships. I tried to appeal to them by saying I realize that actual real life toxic abusive relationships are far far worse and far more important to prioritize over a silly video game, however the behaviors are very similar.
@ the developers are the ones putting g all the bugs in the game they are the ones putting garbage guns in the game. And bad story telling. Everyone’s to blame
Maybe that was Sony's true intention all along. Buy out their competitor and maximize short term profit. They never saw any long term value in the Destiny franchise. All the people that made it great to begin with are gone. It's time to move on.
Marathon is going to get slaughtered. Between GTA 6 and Monster Hunter Wilds, there will be very little talk of it, I feel. It’s going to be Concord all over again
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@@johnhyde3478 They were going down the tubes long before that. A lot of people refuse to accept that. Selling themselves to Sony is merely calling time of death.
@@johnhyde3478wasn’t there a story that came out saying that if that didn’t happen we wouldn’t even have made it to Final Shape with how much in the red they were
16:00 I think the other thing is that Bungie has fostered enough negative sentiment that the reaction isn't to try and pull through anymore, it's to quit outright
People need to realise that most people that worked on destiny 1, some of D2 and some of their best content are no longer in the company. Also that from most reports bungie is an overall unpleasant place to work in, from both leadership and coworkers.
My whole two cents: Bungie will continue to struggle. The recent game they've been working on in years (Marathon) has not shared no info, trailers, or anything. Add that with the layoffs suggesting low funds with losing quality talent, there is no way they even have the means to start working on D3. You can't ask a studio that has been spending money on a project to NOT release it, not make any money from it, in order to work on ANOTHER project to spend money on. They are in no position to make something new. All they got rn are D2 and Marathon. Even harder to make improvements when they are putting efforts just to not sink completely.
Bro D3 won't fix anything. We'll just get a game release with no content, it'll struggle through a few seasons, get a new expansion, struggle through seasons....and on and on and on. If they can't fix D2, they sure as hell won't do a good job with D3.
I just don't understand why much needed and requested changes take so long. Crafting came in TWQ when we've been dealing with a pure RNG system for years before it. Also they need to stop holding massive changes behind expansions as a selling point. Some people won't make it to the next expansion if the seasons leading to it are subpar or bad.
It's simple, those changes are the big red panic button. It's why I never congratulate Bungie on adding a requested feature, because I know they only do it out of desperation
Can’t really fault the devs or the staff getting laid off we’ve heard or seen them try with what they have. The current upper management needs to be gutted and rebuilt there’s been the same people giving/making orders and things aren’t going well haven’t been for a while, deg leaving was a big sign of this Staff are getting laid off and rotated left right and centre we need to look at the execs and higher ups sitting there not knowing anything gaming and making awful decisions
Why are y’all sad about Luke smiths departure? Isn’t that the same guy that mocked the player base by saying “oh you’re gonna be throwing money at the screen”. I still remember that, guess y’all don’t. I hope the company goes completely under and they all lose their jobs. Pretty harsh I know, but they had OVER A DECADE…bye. Good riddance to a garbage studio, dev team and publisher. I’ll be dancing all over this grave for years to come. All they had to do was listen to us…oh well, you reap what you sow. Glad it crashed.
Bungie has shot themselves in the foot by throwing their biggest money maker into the trash just to develop a game that literally nobody cares about let alone knows anything about.. Marathon is straight up one of those IP's that only people know who've played it in the past.. If you ask the average gamer these days "Have you ever heard about a game called Marathon??", they will simply reply with "Marathon? What is that?/What is Marathon?"... Not only was developing Marathon a complete waste of resources, but the audience also simply isn't there.. Not only do you need to have a huge following/playerbase to make it a success, you also need to retain the attention of that same playerbase in order to sustain yourself with over the upcoming years.. if you fail in either of those 2 departments, you are straight up doomed to fail.. Which is what will 100% happen, especially when you look at how stacked 2025 is with GTa 6 coming out...
Bungie is probably going to pop a blood vessel when they realize they'll be competing with Monster Hunter Wilds AND Elden Ring Nightreign in the same year to keep players. They're beyond fucked at this point. Competing against such juggernauts in the gaming community is a death sentence in my eyes
I dont see marathon selling enough to break even for a number of reasons but one aspect of this that I think destiny players are going to get mad about is when marathon finally drops gameplay. If there are certain gameplay elements that are really good, people are going to get mad that those kinds of improvements or updates went towards this game rather than destiny.
The removal of Marty O'Donnel started the dominos. It infuriated the playerbase and all constructive criticisim went out the window. Then bungie fired even MORE employess, and the forums became a rolling dumpster fire. Even the moderators gave up for a time there were so many toxic posts and hate towards the shareholders literally a post WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING?" had 1,400 upvotes or so for 3 or 4 days and was eventually ninja'd/modded off the front page of the forum
I feel like they should stop with the seasonal one off activities. They all feel similar or iterative and only serve as a filler for the seasonal quest that they stopped time gating. The Coil was cool, but i'd have preferred a strike or new crucible/gambit maps. None of the seasonal stuff even stays in the game after the next annual expansion anyways. How is a new light meant to hop in and enjoy "The Coil" if it's gone by the time they decide to hop in? Another bit, it feels like the Battlegrounds have taken the place of strikes, and in my opinion, they feel lazy. Maybe a bit less lazy compared to shoehorning strikes into the campaign by just making the mission into a strike, i'm looking at you Curse of Osiris and Warmind, but still Lazy. Strikes in my opinion should be used to accentuate the story and flesh out the universe. For example, Look at the Shield Brothers strike. We saw the Cabal had tried to launch an attack on the Dreadnaught by ramming their ship into it, and they used it as a Beachhead to fight the Hive. Us, being at war with both the Cabal and Hive at the time, sought to take them out to prevent them turning on us in the future. We didnt do it as a campaign mission, it was mentioned in the campaign and was a figurepiece on the dreadnaught, but the focus of the Campaign was the Taken King Hunt. It felt like it was a sort of AFTER YOU FINISH THE CAMPAIGN kind of deal. Now, it feels like Strikes are just a list of Handpicked story missions that have a gimmick that they can add enemies too in order to slap the "Strike/Battlegrounds" label on and call it good. Also, i'm 90000000% Sure that the "Non-Linear" Campaign is just going to be something akin to the MW3 Campaign that was just like 9 maps they developed and called it a day.
We've spent nearly a decade telling them the exact problems with the game. People who refuse to acknowledge a problem, don't deserve to be saved from it.
Destiny does not need a restart, it just needs good management. If Sony replaces the higher positions at bungie they'd actually have a great live service game they can use to build their own models of life service games.
You know what will get them to change? When they realize and see marathon is probably gonna flop hard and all that money spent on it would’ve been wasted instead of giving the community a better D2. They literally HAD the golden egg and the goose, but decided to neglect it and try and fake another gold egg and goose while their previous one festers and rots.
PlayStation got Bungie for their multiplayer live service capabilities. They are not about to let those employees go due to the ineptitude of Bungie executives.
The worse part the Gambit and Crucible are lack of players. Always with 4 players if lucky maybe get full team but even so manage to get full team all of a sudden the game just disconnect out until I get this thing that I am not allowed to play them until due date. Vanguard well I am the only one no team been in Vanguard for almost 5 hours not even another player. Free roaming completely quite. If this keeps up Destiny 2 will be dead or maybe players will be back when the next chapter comes.
Bungie is putting all their money on Marathon and that may be their doom. Theyre acting as if the Extraction Shooter fad is/was on the scale of the Battle Royal craze when its not. Combine the lessening interest in the genre, Bungie taking their own studio, reputation and only current profitable franchise, and the choice between pushing 2025 potentially launching a rushed product at the same time as big competitors like GTA6 or delaying to 2026 with uncertainty if Bungie will even survive that long. Grim future indeed.
People are not seeing the forest for the trees. Bungie is done. They will be lucky to make it 6 more months. Sony will put the game into maintenance mode. It is not making money and has a high burn rate. That dog won't hunt. Follow the money. See: Wildstar, City of Heroes, Star Wars Galaxies. This isn't the first time this has happened.
I am busy on warframe, the first descendant and wanna build a racing sim. Cant say il be back on d2 in a while. Also i dont think D3 will fix the current problems we have now, it will be a different game that will eventually suffer the same fate because of the higher ups. Unless they fire all higher ups in there this game will just die
Deez was definitely the end of the Bungie we knew it's become an environment of lazy entitled workers. At least thats how i feel when you say stuff like you don't want to over deliver and then release 2 buggy acts with bare boned content. It shows no respect for my time or money
I agree, we don't need sweats making things harder. Why? Cuz I saw folks I played with leave after Lightfall. How many do patrols in Neomuna? PvP seems to be filled with XIM and Chronus. Cheaters at 6 wins is pretty constant the last 2 years, too. Lotsa Elites complained about Seasons, yet we had some great content , Wish and Witch! However, they need to fix the server issues! That's this nonelites take from playing with so many. Yes, Destiny 3 is needed!
People that are bored with destiny have 2k plus hours in it. Change my mind. I agree that bungie isn't making meaningful content in a regular enough fashion and the loop has gotten stale, but new players should play destiny if they haven't. Pay for all the content in the bundle and play the shit out of it. Its a great time.
Totally agree. The downfall of destiny will be no destiny 3 and it’s a bit late to start making one now. Especially with the people that are currently there.
Look there is only one person to blame...ALL business when in dire straights and failing the top boss either CEO or President gets whacked that's it there is nothing left to do Sony has to man up and dump that dude...
It sucks that I invested so much time into this game, I wish I could go back in time & play so many other games. I've played D1 &2 hardcore it feels like a waste & I hate Bungie now.
I kind of accepted the fact that bungie's cooked, I would say a waste of ten years and 11k hours, but they say time spent having fun isn't wasted time. Rip.
I kept telling people like you this game was going to die due to people like you wanting to nerf well and making the game challenging, you pushed all the casuals out and LFGs are bad and not good for new players and getting into any content is a struggle unless you play like a god and you wonder why the game is in the tank. Please look in the mirror.
Look, the game has run its course. Nothing last forever. I find zero enjoyment in the game anymore and that has nothing to do with who left or whatever. This is the ebb and flow. You lived long enough to see yourself become the villian.
Well no matter the outcome sweat, your channel won’t die, you’re too fun to watch and make actual good content. I hope they can get their thumb out their butt, but it’s not looking great. Merry Christmas to all if you celebrate it.
24:00 The solution is to have craftable weapons in all the playlists that gets new perks added and taken away like the seasonal artifact. And for the playlist that aren't used much have those weapon perks change once a year maybe rotate a few damage types
Such an absolutely brain dead narrative…. I wanna go on record of saying that I enjoy hard content, and was excited by the difficulty changes coming with Lightfall. I did not, however, foresee that every element of the game, including elements that were designed to be more casual were made more difficult as well, changes such as the strike playlist being far more difficult now, bloating, the playtime. Bungie went on record, explicitly stating that the game was getting more difficult to add challenge to all parts of the game, this was at the same time, in parallel with complaints by the elite community that the game was too easy. You, sir, are completely, and factually wrong. Anyone who disagrees with this is coping, hard. It’s very simple, you can track the extremely sharp drop in players almost directly in correlation to the difficulty changes. End of story.
what its gonna take, is to stop producing seasons and stop forward production entirley. and adhear finally to fixing and bringing back all the paid content. and then continue without the share holders and investors breathing down your neck and pressuring. and have the minimum amount of people working on the game with full talent and pay those in proper saleries. and encourage them and praise them. and finally best thing overall... listen to your community and FUTURE PROOF EVERYTHING so you dont run into patching and future issues of adjusting constantly wasting time on devolopment. this game failed because of lack of planning and future proofing its sustainability and balance apon launch of everything. and shadowing issues of gear being useless. and wasting peoples time and efforts by bringing in new things that made old things pointless. and severly making the rng machine for everything drastically unfair. oh and boldy lying to your community to cover up everything constantly.
We saw what we get when the devs are allowed to cook. Just imagine how dog shit of a place we would be without....new subclass prismatic, ergo, class item, the changes to the raid, the new enemy's. Imagine how lost the game would be if they weren't allowed to cook for that extra few months. Just a matter of if the execs let's the team cook or not. That's the determining factor. Lose money now to gain the players trust. Or are we just stretching out profits as long as possible before they make d3. Sad really. Because we see the capability of the team.
Yea there’s no gameplay for marathon it’s doubtful for 2025 problem is no one cares about marathon. All the people that made the final shape etc are gone. The people left would not be able to make a destiny 3 that would be any good
As a player I don't care how the company is structured or how many people get terminated. The ONLY thing I care about is gameplay. It doesn't matter to me who's left at Bungie because I don't have any vested interest in any of these people. Just give me good gameplay...doesn't matter if it's Bungie or whether it's Sony. Bungie ceased to exist once they sold themselves to Sony. Not sure why so many of you didn't understand this when it first happened. Remember: Good gameplay is all players want. Layoffs are meaningless so long as gameplay doesn't suffer. Yeah, D2 has suffered bugs lately, but I believe many are severely spoiled because how many other live service games operate as well as D2 on a daily basis? Not many, if any at all. Bungie has given pretty much everything the players have wanted in the game, players will be ecstatic for a while, then grow disgruntled. Here's some advice: Don't like the gameplay anymore? Move on.
yup! he is such a honest and kind leader that really help the Bungo workers so much. Even their game is winning so much that players are loving the game every expansion. Lovely
a big problem with the game is content creators farming views with negative D2 videos and piggy back off of each other spreading hate towards the game which hurts the community by spreading the negativity throughout the community. constantly complaining about the game that you play is just ridiculous. we all know the game and bungie has issues but using that to farm views makes it hypocritical. Gamers watch youtube and when they see all the negativity towards D2 , it turns new players and returning players away. this is a big reason why the game is declining.
That’s not why stop glazing it it’s not the streamers they’re calling the biggest issues that’s killing the game stop blaming the streamers they’re calling the biggest issues that are making everyone leave
@@Groku909 that’s just an excuse it’s bungie that’s the problem their greed got them in the situation the streamers called them out because they and we had been playing for 10 years now
@@SPAC3H3R0Bungie is definitely the bigger problem, but streamers did feed into their bad habits by buying stuff in Eververse. Though to completely blame the streamers like the guy above you feels wrong on so many levels
So jarring to me how Rimworld, a game that is a year older than destiny and no multiplayer whatsoever has a higher player count today. both are amazing games but bungies need to wake up
Skull and bones is still live am playing it while watching this video. There are bugs 🐛 from time to time but the Devs are on them as they come in to the game. Every week bug's get fixed. Year one is almost over and they are showing us what's coming up in year two. Again snb has bug's but not as many as D2 does.an snb are not firing there staff like bungo is. I'll give snb one more year until I think it will go down.
I also think its laughable they never found a solution or a compromise for sunsetting....they just straight up stole content paid content and never returned it lmao
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They sleep in the bed they made. You can only get away with abusing the players trust and under-delivering for so long. The execs took the game EXACTLY where they wanted it to be and made a shit ton of money by focusing on micro transactions rather than innovation and ingenuity
Squandered potential beyond belief.
And what's crazy is people just ate it up and kept buying silver
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Deciding to put your main game that hosts your entire community and makes all the money on life support so you can work on a game that doesn’t even physically exist yet was quite the choice. Betting everything on a game that frankly I don’t think will be all that successful. Not with how much talent is exiting the studio.
don’t forget the part when they simultaneously stretched themselves thin trying to create 4 or so other projects. Amazing work guys.
@tayoffbeat i will also point out that the four other projects failed and were scrapped. So, instead of reinvesting the player base back into the game that was making them money, they litterally threw it away and then had the gaul to blame their player base for losing money and the fact their company is burning to the ground.
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I am happy that Bungie and Destiny 2 are going down the shitter, it is about time
All the former glory is gone and it is heartbreaking, but people should move on to other games that are actually good
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Just say you dont have low mand and move on lil bro 💀🙏
Once you break the shackles and leave it’s amazing. They deserve the punishment for keeping people in those shackles and doing nothing about it
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Bruh marathon coming out 2025 is gonna be brutal. Theres so many other games coming out that year. Like GTA 6. My opinion, rockstar's gonna wipe the floor with them
ghost of yotei, doom, death stranding 2, monster hunter, gta 6. not looking good at all. people already weren’t playing Marathon
@TheRagingSpartan_03 fr
And also no one cares about marathon
Yeah 2025 is a really stacked year
Good.
I think Gladd said it best. "Its like being in an abusive relationship". I believe he also said "JUST LEAVE!!!". He called it. D3 wont solve a thing. People are so burned by Bungie that they are leaving all they built in D2. Dont think they will invest in another game just to get manipulated again. If Bungie changed leadership they would maybe have a chance with a D3 but same corporate leadership will bring the same greed.
I legitimately don’t think it’s a leadership issue when talking about d3. It’s an entire studio that’s burned out on Destiny. Look at bungie during Halo they wanted to move on after 2 but contracted to make 3, reach and odst. It’s an entire studio culture. D3 won’t solve a thing yeah but people who believe it will forget that D2 vanilla almost killed it all. The people behind d2 vanilla left and made concord and look at where that ended up.
I made a comment like this and someone came back at me hard saying it's disrespectful to people in real toxic abusive relationships. I tried to appeal to them by saying I realize that actual real life toxic abusive relationships are far far worse and far more important to prioritize over a silly video game, however the behaviors are very similar.
It seems like bungie is destroying the game on purpose.
The execs did. They steered the game in a direction to maximize profit and minimize expenditure at the cost of player trust and rapport. Truly sad.
@ the developers are the ones putting g all the bugs in the game they are the ones putting garbage guns in the game. And bad story telling. Everyone’s to blame
Maybe that was Sony's true intention all along. Buy out their competitor and maximize short term profit. They never saw any long term value in the Destiny franchise. All the people that made it great to begin with are gone. It's time to move on.
@ who knows. Whatever it is. Bungie is killing itself. They are their own worst enemy.
I mean, even that I doubt. But it’s hard not to see some malicious intent somewhere in there.
Marathon is going to get slaughtered. Between GTA 6 and Monster Hunter Wilds, there will be very little talk of it, I feel. It’s going to be Concord all over again
not to mention the supposed full release of POE2, I know what games i’ll be playing and im so glad i dropped d2 a year ago
I'm chomping at the bit to play Wilds. These final two months are gonna be brutally long
Not to mention doom dark ages end if i remember a new gears of war is coming next year end marathon has to face all this juggernauts.
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Don't forget AC Shadows, M:Old Country & KCDll
The decision to not make a D3 will genuinely kill not just Destiny as a franchise but Bungie. They're already being consumed by daddy Sony.
Bungie ceased to exist when they sold out to Sony. Not sure why many don't understand this.
@@johnhyde3478 They were going down the tubes long before that. A lot of people refuse to accept that. Selling themselves to Sony is merely calling time of death.
@@johnhyde3478wasn’t there a story that came out saying that if that didn’t happen we wouldn’t even have made it to Final Shape with how much in the red they were
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I think the other thing is that Bungie has fostered enough negative sentiment that the reaction isn't to try and pull through anymore, it's to quit outright
But hey, at least they didn't Overdeliver!
@@TheEbonyWarriorNever understood the point of “Overdelivering” because wouldn’t you want to give your fans the most you can at any time?🤦🏽♂️
People need to realise that most people that worked on destiny 1, some of D2 and some of their best content are no longer in the company.
Also that from most reports bungie is an overall unpleasant place to work in, from both leadership and coworkers.
My whole two cents: Bungie will continue to struggle. The recent game they've been working on in years (Marathon) has not shared no info, trailers, or anything. Add that with the layoffs suggesting low funds with losing quality talent, there is no way they even have the means to start working on D3.
You can't ask a studio that has been spending money on a project to NOT release it, not make any money from it, in order to work on ANOTHER project to spend money on. They are in no position to make something new. All they got rn are D2 and Marathon. Even harder to make improvements when they are putting efforts just to not sink completely.
Bro D3 won't fix anything. We'll just get a game release with no content, it'll struggle through a few seasons, get a new expansion, struggle through seasons....and on and on and on. If they can't fix D2, they sure as hell won't do a good job with D3.
I just don't understand why much needed and requested changes take so long.
Crafting came in TWQ when we've been dealing with a pure RNG system for years before it.
Also they need to stop holding massive changes behind expansions as a selling point. Some people won't make it to the next expansion if the seasons leading to it are subpar or bad.
It's simple, those changes are the big red panic button. It's why I never congratulate Bungie on adding a requested feature, because I know they only do it out of desperation
@@chelsthegameruiner8669why does it have to be because they were "forced" to?
0:53 another massively notable person you forgot was Michael Salvatori, granted that was from the layoffs a while back
Can’t really fault the devs or the staff getting laid off we’ve heard or seen them try with what they have. The current upper management needs to be gutted and rebuilt there’s been the same people giving/making orders and things aren’t going well haven’t been for a while, deg leaving was a big sign of this
Staff are getting laid off and rotated left right and centre we need to look at the execs and higher ups sitting there not knowing anything gaming and making awful decisions
The main person that should and has to go doesn’t leave. While the rest do.
always have been
@@gaoexkaiser you think?
@@gaoexkaiser I know. I have been playing this game since the Beta.
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Pete needs to go. Dude got all of his training from Microsoft. Marty talked about it when he was talking with TheActMan. He’s a greed goblin
Sweat said it. They never listened to anything he told them.
Riot is definitely making a first person shooter. Looter mmo game in the sci fi space genre. Hope they make adestiny like game on steroids
Just pull the plug; this game needs to die at this point - an embarrassment
Removing crafting was a mistake.
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Why are y’all sad about Luke smiths departure? Isn’t that the same guy that mocked the player base by saying “oh you’re gonna be throwing money at the screen”.
I still remember that, guess y’all don’t. I hope the company goes completely under and they all lose their jobs. Pretty harsh I know, but they had OVER A DECADE…bye. Good riddance to a garbage studio, dev team and publisher.
I’ll be dancing all over this grave for years to come. All they had to do was listen to us…oh well, you reap what you sow. Glad it crashed.
Bungie has shot themselves in the foot by throwing their biggest money maker into the trash just to develop a game that literally nobody cares about let alone knows anything about.. Marathon is straight up one of those IP's that only people know who've played it in the past.. If you ask the average gamer these days "Have you ever heard about a game called Marathon??", they will simply reply with "Marathon? What is that?/What is Marathon?"...
Not only was developing Marathon a complete waste of resources, but the audience also simply isn't there.. Not only do you need to have a huge following/playerbase to make it a success, you also need to retain the attention of that same playerbase in order to sustain yourself with over the upcoming years.. if you fail in either of those 2 departments, you are straight up doomed to fail.. Which is what will 100% happen, especially when you look at how stacked 2025 is with GTa 6 coming out...
Its over for Destiny
Bungie is probably going to pop a blood vessel when they realize they'll be competing with Monster Hunter Wilds AND Elden Ring Nightreign in the same year to keep players. They're beyond fucked at this point. Competing against such juggernauts in the gaming community is a death sentence in my eyes
damn, i bet bungie now hates the choice of going full casual after wq started
why cant we have the training dummy area again, why is this QoL not in the game.
I dont see marathon selling enough to break even for a number of reasons but one aspect of this that I think destiny players are going to get mad about is when marathon finally drops gameplay. If there are certain gameplay elements that are really good, people are going to get mad that those kinds of improvements or updates went towards this game rather than destiny.
Bungie doesn’t listen to their fan base.
The removal of Marty O'Donnel started the dominos. It infuriated the playerbase and all constructive criticisim went out the window. Then bungie fired even MORE employess, and the forums became a rolling dumpster fire. Even the moderators gave up for a time there were so many toxic posts and hate towards the shareholders
literally a post WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING?" had 1,400 upvotes or so for 3 or 4 days and was eventually ninja'd/modded off the front page of the forum
I feel like they should stop with the seasonal one off activities. They all feel similar or iterative and only serve as a filler for the seasonal quest that they stopped time gating. The Coil was cool, but i'd have preferred a strike or new crucible/gambit maps. None of the seasonal stuff even stays in the game after the next annual expansion anyways. How is a new light meant to hop in and enjoy "The Coil" if it's gone by the time they decide to hop in? Another bit, it feels like the Battlegrounds have taken the place of strikes, and in my opinion, they feel lazy. Maybe a bit less lazy compared to shoehorning strikes into the campaign by just making the mission into a strike, i'm looking at you Curse of Osiris and Warmind, but still Lazy. Strikes in my opinion should be used to accentuate the story and flesh out the universe. For example, Look at the Shield Brothers strike. We saw the Cabal had tried to launch an attack on the Dreadnaught by ramming their ship into it, and they used it as a Beachhead to fight the Hive. Us, being at war with both the Cabal and Hive at the time, sought to take them out to prevent them turning on us in the future. We didnt do it as a campaign mission, it was mentioned in the campaign and was a figurepiece on the dreadnaught, but the focus of the Campaign was the Taken King Hunt. It felt like it was a sort of AFTER YOU FINISH THE CAMPAIGN kind of deal. Now, it feels like Strikes are just a list of Handpicked story missions that have a gimmick that they can add enemies too in order to slap the "Strike/Battlegrounds" label on and call it good. Also, i'm 90000000% Sure that the "Non-Linear" Campaign is just going to be something akin to the MW3 Campaign that was just like 9 maps they developed and called it a day.
We've spent nearly a decade telling them the exact problems with the game. People who refuse to acknowledge a problem, don't deserve to be saved from it.
Destiny does not need a restart, it just needs good management. If Sony replaces the higher positions at bungie they'd actually have a great live service game they can use to build their own models of life service games.
I was watching this while I was searching for a 6s game of control and I could not find anything
Guys we are COOKED
You know what will get them to change? When they realize and see marathon is probably gonna flop hard and all that money spent on it would’ve been wasted instead of giving the community a better D2.
They literally HAD the golden egg and the goose, but decided to neglect it and try and fake another gold egg and goose while their previous one festers and rots.
my 2 cents: borger
bungie executives became the head of sony's live service division despite bungie never actually making a day 1 live service game
PlayStation got Bungie for their multiplayer live service capabilities. They are not about to let those employees go due to the ineptitude of Bungie executives.
Big daddy needs his cars
The worse part the Gambit and Crucible are lack of players. Always with 4 players if lucky maybe get full team but even so manage to get full team all of a sudden the game just disconnect out until I get this thing that I am not allowed to play them until due date. Vanguard well I am the only one no team been in Vanguard for almost 5 hours not even another player. Free roaming completely quite. If this keeps up Destiny 2 will be dead or maybe players will be back when the next chapter comes.
Bungie is putting all their money on Marathon and that may be their doom. Theyre acting as if the Extraction Shooter fad is/was on the scale of the Battle Royal craze when its not.
Combine the lessening interest in the genre, Bungie taking their own studio, reputation and only current profitable franchise, and the choice between pushing 2025 potentially launching a rushed product at the same time as big competitors like GTA6 or delaying to 2026 with uncertainty if Bungie will even survive that long.
Grim future indeed.
it's so amazing...
the downfall of destiny...
i was waiting for it for a loooong time
People are not seeing the forest for the trees. Bungie is done. They will be lucky to make it 6 more months. Sony will put the game into maintenance mode. It is not making money and has a high burn rate.
That dog won't hunt. Follow the money.
See: Wildstar, City of Heroes, Star Wars Galaxies. This isn't the first time this has happened.
I am busy on warframe, the first descendant and wanna build a racing sim. Cant say il be back on d2 in a while. Also i dont think D3 will fix the current problems we have now, it will be a different game that will eventually suffer the same fate because of the higher ups. Unless they fire all higher ups in there this game will just die
Deez was definitely the end of the Bungie we knew it's become an environment of lazy entitled workers. At least thats how i feel when you say stuff like you don't want to over deliver and then release 2 buggy acts with bare boned content. It shows no respect for my time or money
I agree, we don't need sweats making things harder.
Why? Cuz I saw folks I played with leave after Lightfall. How many do patrols in Neomuna?
PvP seems to be filled with XIM and Chronus. Cheaters at 6 wins is pretty constant the last 2 years, too.
Lotsa Elites complained about Seasons, yet we had some great content , Wish and Witch!
However, they need to fix the server issues! That's this nonelites take from playing with so many.
Yes, Destiny 3 is needed!
People that are bored with destiny have 2k plus hours in it. Change my mind. I agree that bungie isn't making meaningful content in a regular enough fashion and the loop has gotten stale, but new players should play destiny if they haven't. Pay for all the content in the bundle and play the shit out of it. Its a great time.
Pete Parsons needs to go ASAP
Totally agree. The downfall of destiny will be no destiny 3 and it’s a bit late to start making one now. Especially with the people that are currently there.
Look there is only one person to blame...ALL business when in dire straights and failing the top boss either CEO or President gets whacked that's it there is nothing left to do Sony has to man up and dump that dude...
This dude knows it all guys
It sucks that I invested so much time into this game, I wish I could go back in time & play so many other games. I've played D1 &2 hardcore it feels like a waste & I hate Bungie now.
There is no
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I kind of accepted the fact that bungie's cooked, I would say a waste of ten years and 11k hours, but they say time spent having fun isn't wasted time. Rip.
Good.
Can some body just make a Destiny game that's not made by Bungo, so we don't need to put up with this sht
It’s interesting jones is still there and he is let destiny be so bad. This guy was one of the people that created destiny.
Destiny 3 wouldn’t work. They don’t have the ideas anymore. I’m not buying Destiny again, their only hope is free to play.
you can see console player count on cbro stream on twitch
I kept telling people like you this game was going to die due to people like you wanting to nerf well and making the game challenging, you pushed all the casuals out and LFGs are bad and not good for new players and getting into any content is a struggle unless you play like a god and you wonder why the game is in the tank. Please look in the mirror.
Look, the game has run its course. Nothing last forever.
I find zero enjoyment in the game anymore and that has nothing to do with who left or whatever.
This is the ebb and flow.
You lived long enough to see yourself become the villian.
Well no matter the outcome sweat, your channel won’t die, you’re too fun to watch and make actual good content. I hope they can get their thumb out their butt, but it’s not looking great. Merry Christmas to all if you celebrate it.
Agreed , his screams are too entertaining
Remember when everyone said we should remove PvP and the game would be better.. well all the PvP people quit to keep the numbers steady and now look 😂
This was always the plan once sony bought Bungie. It is being subsumed into sony
24:00 The solution is to have craftable weapons in all the playlists that gets new perks added and taken away like the seasonal artifact. And for the playlist that aren't used much have those weapon perks change once a year maybe rotate a few damage types
You hope destiny doesn’t die? It’s bit late for that. It’s the beginning of the end. Bungie is putting out garbage there’s no reason to play.
When you realize theres maybe like 2-3 original destiny/destiny 2 devs left....obviously the spark of creativity has left the room a while ago.
Such an absolutely brain dead narrative…. I wanna go on record of saying that I enjoy hard content, and was excited by the difficulty changes coming with Lightfall. I did not, however, foresee that every element of the game, including elements that were designed to be more casual were made more difficult as well, changes such as the strike playlist being far more difficult now, bloating, the playtime.
Bungie went on record, explicitly stating that the game was getting more difficult to add challenge to all parts of the game, this was at the same time, in parallel with complaints by the elite community that the game was too easy. You, sir, are completely, and factually wrong.
Anyone who disagrees with this is coping, hard. It’s very simple, you can track the extremely sharp drop in players almost directly in correlation to the difficulty changes. End of story.
what its gonna take, is to stop producing seasons and stop forward production entirley. and adhear finally to fixing and bringing back all the paid content. and then continue without the share holders and investors breathing down your neck and pressuring.
and have the minimum amount of people working on the game with full talent and pay those in proper saleries. and encourage them and praise them.
and finally best thing overall... listen to your community and FUTURE PROOF EVERYTHING so you dont run into patching and future issues of adjusting constantly wasting time on devolopment.
this game failed because of lack of planning and future proofing its sustainability and balance apon launch of everything. and shadowing issues of gear being useless. and wasting peoples time and efforts by bringing in new things that made old things pointless. and severly making the rng machine for everything drastically unfair.
oh and boldy lying to your community to cover up everything constantly.
We saw what we get when the devs are allowed to cook. Just imagine how dog shit of a place we would be without....new subclass prismatic, ergo, class item, the changes to the raid, the new enemy's. Imagine how lost the game would be if they weren't allowed to cook for that extra few months. Just a matter of if the execs let's the team cook or not. That's the determining factor. Lose money now to gain the players trust. Or are we just stretching out profits as long as possible before they make d3. Sad really. Because we see the capability of the team.
40 min clip god damn 😂
I think sweat is willing to do fun stuff but bungie isn’t, atp he’s gotta get into a new game bungie just dosent care
its joever
Yea there’s no gameplay for marathon it’s doubtful for 2025 problem is no one cares about marathon. All the people that made the final shape etc are gone. The people left would not be able to make a destiny 3 that would be any good
Honestly, good. Shit ass company, hope Sony just absorbs them.
As a player I don't care how the company is structured or how many people get terminated. The ONLY thing I care about is gameplay. It doesn't matter to me who's left at Bungie because I don't have any vested interest in any of these people. Just give me good gameplay...doesn't matter if it's Bungie or whether it's Sony. Bungie ceased to exist once they sold themselves to Sony. Not sure why so many of you didn't understand this when it first happened. Remember: Good gameplay is all players want. Layoffs are meaningless so long as gameplay doesn't suffer. Yeah, D2 has suffered bugs lately, but I believe many are severely spoiled because how many other live service games operate as well as D2 on a daily basis? Not many, if any at all. Bungie has given pretty much everything the players have wanted in the game, players will be ecstatic for a while, then grow disgruntled. Here's some advice: Don't like the gameplay anymore? Move on.
At this point im just keeping up with destiny news and waiting for the next contest event. Thats the only time this shit game is fun.
they just pc numbers not console numbers rofl lol xd
Pete earned those cars that he has.
yup! he is such a honest and kind leader that really help the Bungo workers so much. Even their game is winning so much that players are loving the game every expansion. Lovely
a big problem with the game is content creators farming views with negative D2 videos and piggy back off of each other spreading hate towards the game which hurts the community by spreading the negativity throughout the community. constantly complaining about the game that you play is just ridiculous. we all know the game and bungie has issues but using that to farm views makes it hypocritical. Gamers watch youtube and when they see all the negativity towards D2 , it turns new players and returning players away. this is a big reason why the game is declining.
So you want everyone to lie to everyone and themselves and turn into toxic positivity and gaslight everyone and everything is fine. Gatcha
Copy paste officers
The streamers have killed destiny
That’s not why stop glazing it it’s not the streamers they’re calling the biggest issues that’s killing the game stop blaming the streamers they’re calling the biggest issues that are making everyone leave
@ keep telling yourself that
@ I have friends who stopped because of the streamers
@@Groku909 that’s just an excuse it’s bungie that’s the problem their greed got them in the situation the streamers called them out because they and we had been playing for 10 years now
@@SPAC3H3R0Bungie is definitely the bigger problem, but streamers did feed into their bad habits by buying stuff in Eververse. Though to completely blame the streamers like the guy above you feels wrong on so many levels
& you elitest karens are all to blame for the downfall of bungie
So jarring to me how Rimworld, a game that is a year older than destiny and no multiplayer whatsoever has a higher player count today. both are amazing games but bungies need to wake up
Skull and bones is still live am playing it while watching this video. There are bugs 🐛 from time to time but the Devs are on them as they come in to the game. Every week bug's get fixed. Year one is almost over and they are showing us what's coming up in year two. Again snb has bug's but not as many as D2 does.an snb are not firing there staff like bungo is. I'll give snb one more year until I think it will go down.
Meow
Welcome to woke bungie where the only thing they care about is themselves.
Tacos first
I also think its laughable they never found a solution or a compromise for sunsetting....they just straight up stole content paid content and never returned it lmao
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