The REAL Reason the Patriots Knew Tom Brady Was Going to Be Great
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To put it in context, the patriots were the only team that actively scouted Brady including reaching out to his college coach. The patriots also had a 3rd round grade on Brady but they had just signed Bledsoe to a long term big contract and didn't need a qb. Did they know he would turn out this way? Of course not. Were they far ahead of the league in seeing his potential? Without question.
They were in fact not. Manginis plan was to draft Brady in either the second or third round had a first round qb fell through. Brady was going to be a 49er that’s why he was all but suicidal when he was unpicked the second day. Guy went from his hometown coach courting hind his family to being a castaway. People don’t understand how quickly the draft changes the landscape of teams needs and therefore many players careers are over before they even start. If it weren’t for New England Brady might have been lost to the ether buried in a depth chart until getting released to allocate a goal line rb spot.
They didn’t need a qb in terms of active depth chart at the time but not only was Bledsoe too expensive they knew he had high likelihood for being on IR as he couldn’t move in the pocket. They paid to have the best arm in the nfl besides Marino. The insurance policy at the time was an ex cfl journeyman in Micheal bishop. They also had the most expensive wide receiver room in the league. The solution was to have a cost effective career back up in order to not have to have to trade terry glenn or Troy brown and have a qb utilize the scheme they had effectively when Bledsoe was one inevitably out on injury. Everyone knew he would occasionally go down but no one knew just how bad it would be.
@@curtmastornot sure what you are talking about. The niners never had any interest at all. God lord just watch the Brady 6 and you will see, they thought he was nothing
@@curtmastorThat is absolutely not how it went down.. and the niners draftedGiovanni carmazzi in the 3rd a qb when Brady was on the board.. so they clearly didn't like him that much
Julian is a true ride or die, someone you are lucky to have in your corner. I love how much he hypes up Tom and pokes fun at him once in a while.
If you looked at Brady’s comebacks at Michigan especially against Alabama you knew he would be great- he showed leadership, focus and tenacity.
Sure you did
His coach was a prick who didn't want to commit to Brady. I can see why Tom barely went back
All i remember is Brady always winning in Michigan when their starter Drew Henson was struggling. Everyone thought Brady was better after he kept proving it. Draft time came and never heard his name until a couple years later. No one thought he would be the GOAT, but i was surprised he wasnt drafted higher.
This is absolutely correct. The truth is that staff had him as a 2-3 round pick IF teams like cincy, San Fran amongst others waited that long without picking a qb. They knew once those two went first round with outrageous singing bonuses back then that there was no way they would double up for a third sting rookie and burn a pick. At that point Brady was only going to get picked up by those teams as a free agent. Belichick knew this the whole time.
Nah. That was college, and there have been other QB's that had great games in college that ended up on the trash heap in the pros. All pro scouts and coaches saw those same Brady comebacks at Michigan.
When Brady got drafted in the 6th round (199th overall) by the Pats in 2000, he encountered the *absolutely perfect storm* when he had Belichick as coach, and Robert Kraft (seldom mentioned) as owner.
Apparently the coaching staff and player personnel staff saw something in Brady because they took a chance and drafted him, even though it was late in the draft they still took a chance on him. Then when they started cutting down the players at training camp they kept him as the 4th QB which is something that a team hardly ever does, it’s usually the starter and then two backup QB.
Arnie will tell you that Brady made himself into the Elite QB he was by hard work and dedication. All he needed was somebody to give him the opportunity to do it and the Patriots did just that.
They didn't know. If they knew they'd have drafted him earlier than the 6th. They took a flier on him and got lucky. Sometimes in life, you get lucky.
Technically speaking, wouldn’t it be Mo Lewis that gave him the opportunity?
Makes you wonder how much potential hall of fame has been cut in pre-seasons.
Belichick played up the taking a chance thing so much it’s cringey. He’s lying his ass off when he says that. That scoutin room rates Brady way higher than 199. They had every intention of taking him earlier but saw all the teams who had any need or interest in a qb already draft one. Back then no one wasted roster spots on qbs. It was about building a running game and allocating extra space to tailbacks and full backs. Belichick was thrilled to get Brady for next to nothing and had every intention to find a way to keep him on the roster. He could have gotten hurt first week of mini camp and he would have been retained.
He’s an example of a guy that the combine killed. His tape was great.
Rest in Peace to the QB coach who had the heart issue… ❤❤
The Pats had two quarterbacks they were considering, Brady and Tim Rattay. It was Dick Rhebein who fought for Brady at the draft. If he had gone out to get coffee on that pick, the last 20 years of Patriots history would have been different.
Yep it's tragic what happened to him. The patriots discovered that he had a heart issue after he collapsed once in the facility. He was doing a stress test on his heart on a treadmill when he collapsed again and sadly didn't recover this time. He was originally a receivers coach and when he picked Brady he was picking him from the receivers perspective.
Let's hope Ernie doesn't get on a tread mill soon because he could be next‼Yikes‼
this is so uncomfortably disingenuine and in the realm of like farming. Your comment is so insincere you couldnt take literally 20 seconds to search him up but you wanted the likes so bad you made a meaningless post with a few love heart emojis. Why do people like you exist? The same ones that type out a novel length post to a deceased family member when in reality they just want the empathy and likes from strangers. Stop using peoples deaths as a means for your own attention craving. Its fucking weird.
Chris Eitzmann who Ernie mentioned would run routes with Brady was a good friend of mine from business school. Great person - former captain of the Harvard football team - Obviously a brilliant guy. He played 6 vs 6 and 8 vs 8 football in Nebraska in high school. Sadly he passed away in 2021. I miss you buddy.
This podcast is going places 👌
As a Michigan fan I knew we all knew "The Comeback Kid" was a real one. You watch that game against Alabama in the Orange Bowl, you knew he was a killer. Absolutely surgical.
Bullshit, Michigan platooned Brady with Drew Henson. Who platoons the GOAT?
And then, against STL in the super bowl, he did the exact same thing. He was already ready already.
@@imbradandyouarenotoh boy another outsider looking in
@@TheTrajanValoris Revisionist history. You Michigan morons all thought Drew Henson was going to the be GOAT. LOL, silly fools.
@@TheTrajanValorisyou didn't know shit
. Lol
. 5th yr sr
“They were watching him before they were born” 😂
..... the "national football league" 🙄
Remember that 99 Michigan season and Brady would come in and save UM after Henson struggled. Remember saying during the Alabama Orange Bowl that this guy is the best player on the field. Excited to see them draft him. Surprised it was that late but also was high on Michael Bishop as well
People always make fun of Brady’s lack of upper body muscle development, but he is 6’4.5” with proportionally long legs and arms. That is the standard bone structure of most MLB pitchers hitting high 90s and above, and QBs with a rocket arm. Justin Verlander doesn’t have an upper body like a Greek statue, but he is probably the last Power Pitcher that can throw a complete game Baseball will ever see……similar build to Brady……ain’t winning any Bodybuilding contest.
Much love Jules. Awesome and fantastic to have a football mind like Ernie on. Badass bro❤
Every Patriots fan that’s old enough to have enjoyed the first 3 super bowls will know the name Dick Rehbein
Rip Chris Eitzmann and Dick Rehbein
Great great perspective....what you do in the games....not how fast you run the 40
The entire story when you aren't watching just clips is the Patriots had a very strict parcells style requirement, brady and another qb was on the board no one else was. Ernie saw he was going to he a free agent and pushed bill to get him in the 6th instead of risking it
Ernie saw his mental make up, his games and knew he brady was going to be good. Thry were thinkng of ttading him off after debeloping him and showing him in 2 years of preseason to pick up a 2-4 rounder. The patriots did this exact thing except not wity brady for 20 years.
Ernie set up the system to create a series of good qba based off tom wolf and walshs style.
You need to improve your writing skills, this took me two or three tries to get through, but insightful regardless.
@@maxdurk4624 sorry, I read and write so much when I write it's very fast and have grammar mistakes. I've been following guys like Ernie, Walsh, polian,w
Wolfe, reid 36 years now. It's kind of an obsession. I made Mock drafts since I was 5. Ive hit the AFC/NFC championship teams 7 years in a row and super bowl winners 6/7 now. A good clue is the te/fb/scat backs, kicker, punters and Dts. The top 5-6 QBs are all the same now Brady is gone. It's a coach's league and those positions. Nothing else matters
It’s amazing they drafted him at all given Bledsoe’s recent deal
@@Aaron-hb4wu more knowledge pls
@@derekwaters8683 Ernie made his money in the stock market looking for undervalued assets and betting against overvalued. He drafts the same way. He looked at small school players or his favorite players who were good until they were injured in their last year of college.
Other teams started copying it. Frank Gore, macgehee, are good examples from other teams who started copying it. Then you look at Ernie's trades, drafts and free agencies. He traded a 4th for randy moss, gronk had injury issues, Brady wasn't pretty.
Ernie would tell bill to modify the team towards tight ends/fb sets early on because they'd just scoop up the strong supply cheaply in the trades, fa and draft. He'd stack tights like graham and watson. Then everyone copied him then he went wr/receiving tight ends heavy with moss, Edelman. Then back to the/rb sets. Defense was the same way. 3/4 roving zones, to 4/3 cover 1 then to kind of a 515.
That's were the league will go to for turf teams I think. 5 dl-1 lb- 5 db. Outside teams will stay in the 9 wide nonsense but faster dts. Edge rushers aren't really useful because qbs are so fast. It takes interior pass rush to win the owl in the current league rules, that's why ernie would go to 5/1/5.
In many Jules draft mirrored Brady’s. He was bubble talent that was never ever in a million years going to be a qb in the league. Pats wanted him and saw him as an analogue to welker who was becoming an expensive cuncussion case, but integral. They knew Jules was going to be there late like they knew Brady was and they knew where he was going to fit in the team long term. Belichick was an absolute G in the draft and he gets a terrible rep for picks that never panned out.
Michigan v Alabama bowl game was epic. Shaun Alexander and a very explosive Tide team against Anthony Thomas and Brady led Wolverines squad. Was back and forth all game, Michigan ended up on top at the very end. Brady was brilliant.
One of the great bowl games of the era, at the beginning of a decade of massive change in the sport. (in 2000, CFB was more exciting, a better watch than the NFL. By 2011, the situation was reversed)
For me, the most important thing Ernie said in this entire segment was "I always felt if someone was going to stay out late after practice then someone should HONOR HIM and stay and watch him!"
He then said there wasn't a chance that Tom was going to get in and play.
This simple act is so powerful. It tells his player I appreciate your efforts and I will support them AND YOU MATTER!
No he wasn't going to play but that didn't matter to Ernie. He felt a players extra EFFORT should be recognized and appreciated regardless of how goof he was.
In some respects, that is the essence of the Patriot way. Focus on your effort, celebrate effort , practice smart and EVERYONE MATTERS!
this gave me chills!!!! love it!!!
Tom the GOAT. Tom as a commentator is going to be incredible. Fox locked him down on that one I think.
Yeah, they knew .. thats why he was picked 199th
Right? So ridiculous.
I mean, Ernie's answer on when he knew is during Tom's rookie year, not pre-draft.
You really clicked on the video, didn’t listen to more than 20 seconds of it, left this dumbass comment and then left.
@@jobox03some people just watch clips and not the whole episode so they don’t hear everything, just part of the story then spreading a narrative. Media at its finest.
Ernie literally says TB obsessively worked to make himself the guy, but geniuses on YT THINK Ernie said something otherwise. Hello, comprehension skills smdh
it's funny to hear this in comparison to Belichicks reaction to Manti Te'o at the combine
Center Piece = Water, tomatoes from the vine, a couple of coffee's and a football. Make's perfect sense
I think the tomatoes are a joke on Ernie. He used to just sit by himself eating a salted tomato engrossed in playbooks and football literature every day
This is part of the reason why I believe JJ McCarthy is going to be successful. He has the same work ethic. But people only want to look at the stats and not account for the fact that they were a run first offense. Had he been on another team that was more pass focused people would rank him higher.
I would agree... but people said the same about Mac Jones.. you just don't know how the kids will handle the increased mental pressure in the NFL.
MAnnnnn JJ McCarthy gon be weakkkkkk
Everything Ernie just said about the process: apply that to Brock Purdy. Am I saying Ourdy = Brady? No. I said, take everything Ernie talked about and apply it to Brock. That's it. It is up to you to come to conclusions.
They did not know. It’s a hit or miss on QBs!
What is crazy about this story is that both Dick Rehbein & Chris Eitzmann have both passed away
dick rehbein championed brady. he deserves most of the praise for finding and pushing for him. rest in peace.
Brady was drafted in the 6th round. None of the teams saw that much when he came out of college. I do not doubt that once he got to the Pats, they found out what they had.
The geniuses in Michigan platooned him with Drew Henson.
The sound effect at the end scared the shit outta me 😂 turn it down lol
For those wondering about the tomatoes Ernie was famous, or infamous, for sitting by himself in the cafeteria eating a tomato for lunch. LOL Truly a mad genius.
I did notice the tomatoes. I thought, WTF? Thx for clarifying! Appreciated.
"they've been watching him since before they were born"
Jules get Brady on but also try and get Drake Maye on
The Brady pick should be have its own doc with the years building up to it and the genuis of the pats and 49ers scouting teams. Both were incredibly thorough and picked up on his inconsistent prescence at Michigan. Poured over his film, didn’t listen to naysayers or combine grades back when it was blasphemy to not rate the combine evals highly. Mancini and belichick both had Brady rated as a second round pick. Mangini so much that he all but rolled out the red carpet for Brady. When they picked a different guy early they didn’t have the option to get Brady and bellichick now the opportunity of a lifetime on the table to get the best value backup in nfl history. Instead of blowing a second round pick he listened to the reports and knew no one had qb needs high enough to burn a pick on a passer over an extra running back. He was patient and knew he would be where he was. That’s what happened in truth.
Genius of the Pats? In Belichick's (and his scouts) mind, there was always a better player on the board in the 2000 draft, hence the reason he was a 6th round pick. Bill saw enough at training camp to keep him on the roster ("a wasted roster spot" said Belichick) as the 4th QB and not cutting him, because, in Bill's words, "We didn't want to risk another team picking him up." Kudos to Belichick for not cutting him, but that wasn't genius.
I think a lot of the commenters saying "they didn't know" are missing two points:
1. In the video, Ernie doesn't say they knew Brady would be great before drafting him, he says he knew when he saw the work he put in after practice.
2. It was a different league in 2000. Quarterbacks weren't flying off the board. And the Patriots already had a top-tier starter in Bledsoe. They were not in search of a QB, and no matter how good a prospect looks, there are no guarantees, only probabilities. Draft picks are functions of expected value, including starting probability. This value is obviously lower with Bledsoe in your lineup, rather than, say, Jeff Garcia.
Love both of these Men
They were hoping he'd be a decent backup. They're lying if they thought he'd be great.
He was talking about what he saw during Brady’s rookie season, not during the draft process
Where can i watch the full video of the entire podcast😢
Love the beefsteak tomato centerpiece
It's never enough that they won. Everyone needs to know how smart the mgmt was. Same mgmt went 29-38 without the GOAT.
They new he was gonna be available still. Needed to use the higher picks for those that would go quick
Really? Wasn't Bill surprised when he saw that Brady was still available coming up to the 5th round, or was that someone else?
"if someone puts in extra effort i should honor him by going and watching".
"They had been watching him since before they were born". Lol
Nobody knew what they had in him because they drafted him with the 199 pick. If they knew he was the future Goat 🐐, NE would not resigned Bledsoe to a new deal. I think Bill went with Tom over Drew because Tom was probably more coachable and fit the offensive system he wanted to run. Drew was like a Mario who probably wanted to pass the ball more, which led to turnovers. Plus with Drew, he was a veteran who was loved by the owner and fans, so he could push back against Bill since his first season with the Patriots was 5 - 11. The Jets changed the fortunes of the Patriots and the league by knocking out Bledsoe. Once Tom got on the field, he was able to execute the offense more efficiently than Drew with less interceptions. One thing that is extremely interesting with Bill and Tom is Bill kept four quarterbacks Tom’s rookie season. That never happens in football. I think once the team drafted him and realized what they had, they were not willing to risk him going on the practice squad. I think another thing that made Tom the Goat was his experience at Michigan. When it was his turn to start, the coach kept putting in a younger player who had a higher ceiling than Tom, but couldn’t play quarterback. I think that motivated Tom to work even harder…which is pretty scary 🫣
Nobody knew Brady was going to be good... that's why he was drafter in the 6th round
Oh. So if they do good in the games they’ll be a good player. Cool insight
they didn't or they would have drafted him much much earlier. they took a chance on a longshot and won the lottery. that's the truth.
RIP Dick Rehbein
I believe they had no idea what they were in for.
Ach shut up, u picked him 199 because u thought he was good value. This is CRAZY levels of hindside bias.
They didn't scout Brady, and Rehbein wasn't theirs. Bobby Grier scouted Brady, he was the director of player personnel and Rehbein was his head scout.
Belichick, Pioli and Adams didnt even get hired until after the '99 season was over, so how'd they scout Tom?
They were with the Jets, they'd have no information on what the Pat's were scouting until they were in the building. They simply followed the board Bobby built and watched tape on the players to concur.
That's why Ernie didn't really answer the question.
They picked him in the 6th round. The way they take credit for this is wild.
Actually if you watch the whole interview he says Tom made himself a great qb..you heard everthing else...😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@TFM-p8t facts. Mfs just hating.
Why would you take someone in the first round if they projected to go later? Thats weird 😂
Yet they took him, when everyone else could have. Thing is, Bill saw something in him to keep Tom as a 3rd string qb. They didn't want him on practice squad so nobody else could claim him. Bill also had the guts to keep him as the starter when their 100 milly dollar qb came back from injury. Have to give them some credit.
Yea, but you have to remember they just sighed Bledsoe to a long lucrative contract and they didn't really have the need for another qb on the roster. I don't think you have to give them credit for taking him, but no one carries four quarterbacks on the roster, most of all Bill, he loves him an extra long snapper on occasion but he hates a wasted roster spot more than he hates mental errors and the nyj
I’m listening to what is being said about Tom when he was up and coming. But isn’t this the type of attitude all athletes should have when trying to make it big?
Who is being interviewed? What was his role? Who is Arnie? Last name? History with the team?
2:40 David Beckham admits to having OCD, so does Rafa Nadal.
The results speak for themselves.
[I've always been a free spirit, by contrast, sitting in the shade under a tree with a blade of grass in my mouth. Looking for patterns in the clouds. Never made it to the NFL for some reason.]
The Patriots drafted some guys named Dave Stachelski and Jeff Marriott before taking Brady. I’d respect the Patriots more if they just admitted they had no clue he’d end up being anything. They took a flyer hoping Brady would end up being a good backup, nothing more. They got lucky.
As a Steeler fan.. There luck never seemed to run out with that dude
What's with the bowl of tomatoes?
I would've believed this is true if the Patriots drafted Tom Brady in the 1st round
They obviously didnt think he was gonna be great, otherwise they wouldnt have taken him in the 6th round
Jules what's up with the bowl of tomato?
jj mcarhty goes in 1st round and TB in the 5th..hmmmm
Im still saying if he wouldn't had went to new England he wouldn't even be a below average at best qb and out of the league in less then 3 years like most late picks back then
They didn't know shit. They had him benched lol
Bad angle for Erin’s. Y’all doing him wrong.
What is wrong with this guys couch? Who thought that was a good idea? Is that guy sitting on an afghan? That was, like, knitted?
ha ya now they are all patting themselves on the back and saying they always knew.
If anyone knew…. he’s not 199. so stop pretending you all saw the future.
He said rookie year, that would be after he was drafted.
And he still wasn’t good enough for bunchen
What’s up with the tomatoes?
Scout had a heart attack. nope. they ALL simply overlooked Brady.
Huh?
lol you are right but he really did have a heart attack
Nobody knew Brady was going to be great. If they did he wouldn't have gone in the 6th round.
Patrick goat nfl player mahomes!
The guy that made a career from spying and stealing plays, and a roid head 🤣🤣🤣 Two cheaters
Based on Ernie's assessment, Michael Penis jr should be drafted #1 overall. Even without Ernie's assessment, Penix should be drafted #1!
nice
Oh sure, they knew he'd be great...that's why they picked him up in the last round of the draft.... They got lucky and don't want to admit it.
I saw the title of this and imm said HORSESHIT lifelong PATS fan here...IF THEY KNEW HE WAS GOING TO BE what he became or even just a fraction of it they wouldnt have waited until the 6th GFTO LOL.
What a stupid title. If they new he was going to be great he never would have been a late round pick
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Did Tom make Bill or did Bill make Tom? Brady's super bowl win in Tamap would suggest the former. Who gets credit?
Who cares honestly just enjoy greatness
@@stevensko9153 good points
@@stevensko9153 Except Brady did it wihtout Bill, the original poster just said it.
@@stevensko9153the 1st 3 were bill..Bill parcels except they were 5-11 in 2000 and 0-2 before Bledsoe got hurt..so
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Amazing. This is the exact thing everybody ignores about Tom. Kobe is always praised for it but not Tom. It’s the same mentality. It’s what makes Tom better than Rogers, Manning, Maholmes etc. Clearly those guys throw a sweet ball but they lack the dedication & drive to elevate everyone around theme. Tom pulled people off the scrap heap, turned them into stars & willed them into Super Bowl rings. Brady is a unicorn. We’ll never see anything like him again
Manning, Mahomes? Peyton's prep was legendary, and when he was on the practice field it was ALL business. He never had Brady's success, but there are many factors that go into that. As far as Mahomes, his career ain't done, so we'll see how that shakes out, but those around him (Kelce, for one) say this guy's a nerd when it comes to studying game film.
I’m surprised Bill allowed this.