If you can display enough relationship context, character dynamic and personal growth to make a guy tear up in 21 seconds. You are a good writer, or manipulator. Either works.
It wasnt that Iroh was always pure, but that he realized that the path the fire nation was taking was the immoral one. He even had to lose his only son in order to come to that realization. Iroh is not pure or perfect, but a person who is wise due to self-reflection.
they could intentionally smelt it rougher for convenience of bending. but honestly that's a microscopic fault compared to all the other faults this shit show has
i thought it was funny that metal bending was because you are bending the earth thats still inside metal but wouldn't all earthly elements like metal hell even diamonds count as part of earth? or is it just like rocks and dirt that count as earth for bending? but this begs the question what parts of earth are bendable? since i remember in the last airbender they were able to bend coal so what earthly elements are off limits? cause technically all elements are earthly including water
Imagine destroying a 2000 year-old relic from a race that has gone through a genocide, only leaving a tiny population of them left, and the relic is one of their only gateways to their culture and ancestors, and after destroying it, you antagonize your teacher who has only ever been looking out for you, for "not teaching you well enough," knowing full well that you haven't put in a SMIDGE of effort into learning, even scratching your ass during a meditation lesson. 😐🛑
@Joshua West exactly! Didnt she think about the next avatar? How Is the next avatar gonna learn her spiritual self with only one past life? One snobby sociopathic past life? How would you learn from that?
Remember when Aang had his hopes shattered after coming upon the bleached skeleton of his former teacher, and only friend, in his completely obliterated former home, and he was so traumatized it sent him into a fit of rage that endangered his only remaining friends and one had to risk her life to try and calm him down? Remember when Ba Sing Se, the supposed safe haven for the Aang's group, turned out to be a horrific dictatorship run by a shadow government which used torture and hypnosis to keep its citizens in fear and order, while a puppet monarch sat unaware of said horrors? Then Jet, a former 'ally' of Aang was kidnapped and hypnotized, then forced to fight and was struck down. Then, when told he was going to be okay, Toph said "I can feel when people are lying," and the gang had to face the fact that a man had just died who they very personally knew? Remember Azula's sudden promotion to leader of the Fire Nation, followed by her quick and sorrowful fall into a state of complete psychopathic madness, through which she lost her aides, allies, and only friends, and was haunted by memories of her mother? How haunting her jarring change in appearance and demeanor was, how horrifying she was when at her very lowest point? Oh yeah, not to mention the literal slave ship, the towns oppressed by Fire Benders, Zuko's rejection whenever he tried to show kindness, all the sacrifices made for the good of the cause(i.e. Yue's moon transformation), the face-stealing demon, or the Aapa abusing carnival But no guys, Korra is very mature, they have lesbians and punchy woman!!1!!1!
Azula and toph are so well written its unbelievable Azula possibly the one of best fire benders in fire nation history out classed everyone around her. Toph being the same but as a earth bender Both OP female character written perfectly
AHarice Exactly. They never cried in every single situation they found themselves hopefully against. Like, Azula only cried at the end because she had finally snapped, and Toph was 12, so any crying tears she had was more of a child thing in general, which makes sense. I mean, they had fleshed out and they had hardships they had to go through. Katara never cried because Pakku refused to teach her. No, she actually showed him that she wouldn’t back down, and eventually became his student and then a water bending master. I mean, these girls WORKED for their powers, and Korra just flew right on by.
I just rewatched Avatar again and it blows my mind that anyone wouldn't call it "dark" or "mature" or "complex" or think that Korra is the better show.
Funny thing is, knowing Korra, she most likely dumped Asami in less than a year, and claimed the whole relationship was "experimental", thus ruining their relationship as friends forever. But then through the power of PLOT, they become friends again.
I thought the same. It's good they ended the show where it did. Well they would never have had the guts and courage to break the characters up or have her go back to a man. In tv thats still a no no
I agree. Another thing that confused me about this ship was that Korra and Asami really seemed to be polar opposites of one another. Asami was more of an calm, elegant, introverted character who would rather be at home running her company and trying to invent new things. Korra is shown to be a hotheaded and crude individual who rather go on an adventure and seems the type to die young. Sexuality aside, there really seems to be no reason why they would end up together.
I lost it when Korra destroyed her link to the other avatars. The next Avatar only has her; A whiny unlearning single person comapred to an army of elderly wise teachers with knowledge that span throughout ages. It's like destroying every art museum and filling it with crayon drawings of vaginas.
New avatar: OMG I'm actually in the spirit realm talking to an avatar of old! Korra: That's right kid. New Avatar: I read so much about you- us! So where's all the others? I kinda wanted to talk with Aang about his journey, and the avatars before him too. Korra: Ummm.....Yeah.... Ya see kid I kinda had to sacrifice all of them to get my powers back. New Avatar: Um. Okay... but I'm sure you must've spent a lot of time asking them questions and learning a lot from them right? Right?
Sokka is the ultimate badass character. He tamed wild beasts, learned new cultures, found information, participated in poetry readings, organized, led, and fought in battles and skirmishes, learned swordsmanship from a master and martial arts from a warrior culture, and stood toe-to-toe in conflicts fully governed by benders - all as a nonbender. His character is incredible. Bolin is nothing.
I grew up watching Avatar, and while I always loved Sokka as a character and a member of the team, I recently started loving and appreciating him much more when I rewatched. Sokka is really amazing! He's not only a physical fighter, but a cunning warrior. In media and especially video games, warriors are often portrayed as simple-minded boors who will punch the mob you just turned into a sheep, even though damage will interrupt the spell. But Sokka is smart, creative and quick, and he knows how to use what he's given to his advantage despite not having bending. I also love that the show often makes a point in showing the characters' traits as good AND bad, depending on the situation, and the solution for that is to be with other people who balance that out. And Sokka is not only no exception, but the show loves to play with that balance about his character too.
A couple years late but better now than never. The thing about Sokka too is that he starts out as a sexist asshole that the show doesn’t try and paint as good. Sure, he’s obviously a good person but his prejudices are never seen by the show as good. He’s also headstrong and conflicted after being left behind in his mind “with the women and children” despite that being the very reason he was left behind. He doubts himself, he stumbles and falls, and gradually he becomes a better man from it. He picks himself up, dusts himself off, and the show isn’t afraid to make it known, he was integral to ending a CENTURY LONG WAR FOUGHT BY METAHUMANS. Bolín or Korra or Asami or Mako didn’t have to do that stuff, they just had to be better than they were when they started the show. Bolín actually is probably best example of character development they could’ve had if they didn’t make him the butt of the joke… and also just fucking abuse him for laughs
@@glanni that's more on the western side of things because In anime/manga we see a lot of intelligent warriors, even the wacky ones like Dante from Devil May Cry
DeeperHavoc why do you phrase the comment like that statement is wrong? Why do you phrase it like it’s even truly controversial at this point? The above reply made by Valentin Ward says it all, that’s what they did with Asami was a small, in Universe nod, to what the people who thought that this way of making a more mature sequel to a beloved intellectual property was a good idea, did to the self same sequel All style, toxic substance I just did in four words what E;R used ninety minutes to state, then elaborate on Thank you, people of culture who read replies
"Katara wasn't a successful character because she was 'independent' of Aang, her brother or her friends. She was a successful character because Aang, her brother, and her friends needed *her* just as much as she needed *them."* EXACTLY. The best female characters are written like this. Nami is like this. Nico Robin is like this.
The Major Yes, I was thinking about that speech too. Or Iroh’s speech to Toph about how there is nothing wrong with someone who loves you wanting to help you.
That’s a great way to put it! One Piece is a great example of showing how a character can find strength through their relationships with others. As strong as each of the members of the crew are on their own, their individual strengths really shine when their around others. For instance, Luffy is pure determination and will power, something that is MAJOR in the OP world- but his kindness and likeness doesn’t come from him just being strong. He looks for strength in his crew- and their safety and happiness even rivals his own ambitions. They need him as a captain and he needs them to do everything he can’t do on his own. Zoro has always been a force to be reckoned with, had intense self-discipline, and was all-around a total badass. But without the crew, he would have never demonstrated his own leadership skills, challenged himself in more ways than physically, or even gotten as far as he did from his own stupidity. While Sanji can fight and cook and usually ends up gathering important information, he’s admired by the crew for his kindness/dedication to those he cares about- but without them, Sanji would have sacrificed his own dreams, future, and potential for that exact reason. Nami is responsible and self serving, but needs support from others in times of crisis just as much as they need her for direction and chiding and to keep them in place. Usopp is a storyteller and a coward, but he pushes himself to be braver and stronger to earn the relationships he’s gained. Chopper dreams of curing the world of sickness and making it a better place, but he needs proper guidance to support and encourage him that it’s worth it, despite everything he’s been through. Robin has learned to run and kill and read ancient texts, but it’s with others that she’s able to be happy while doing it, and find a purpose in her own actions. It goes on and on like that honestly. Everyone gets their best qualities from each other. And I think that’s the problem with overblowing the whole “independent woman” thing. Nowadays, it’s seen as a stereotype for women to rely on others. We’re being told that fighting with a one-person army is MORE admirable and ‘cool’ than fighting with the help of others or even just relying on them for basic help. Don’t get me wrong, finding strength in yourself IS cool and IS admirable. You can’t disagree with that. But it just isn’t SUPERIOR. Like, aren’t basic human connections a pivotal thing in everyone’s life? Like, which would you rather prefer? A) A character who’s developed or is looking for individual strength, but is also respectful and appreciative of the help they can get from others and the bonds that they build. They’ve learned to find meaning/lessons in the words and actions of others, and use it to better themselves. Or B) A character who believes that have individual strength, pushes away and disrespects others, and refuses to learn anything from the backlash because of their own pride. They attack the ones who try to help them, don’t create any equal/meaningful bonds, and don’t learn anything from others because of their desperate need prove them wrong. That whole statement of needing others as much as they need you is just the truest thing.
Asami was such a non-character devoid of any impact that I honestly didn't take any romantic implications from the hand hold at the end of season 4. I was like "oh, so Korra is taking Asami into the spirit world. maybe the spirits can give her a fucking soul."
Learning that Aaron Ehasz made such a huge impact on ATLA’s greatness and how LOK was a big flop mainly because of his absence makes me really concerned for the live action remake of ATLA, since he won’t be apart of it.😬
Watch "The Dragon Prince", it got 3 seasons on netflix at the moment and there are at least 3 more to come. Aaron Ehasz wrote it and you will feel at home, trust me.
People always talk about how Toph was supposed to be a dude but no one talks about how it was Aaron Ehasz who suggested that Toph be a small girl instead.
@@nicholasfrenken8814 I really want to like the Dragon Prince and while it has its moment it just falls flat for me compared to ATLA. I really like Callum and Rayla but oh my god I can't stand how stupid the adults are in The Dragon Prince so Ezran can be really mature for his age. It's like all the adults have the brain of a 5 year old and the magic system is just kind of meh. We are told that Dark magic is bad but that's kind of the only reason we get. We don't get a reason as to why it's bad. It's making me think that ATLA's greatness was a happy accident more than anything. But I do agree that the Dragon Prince has more going for it than Korra ever had 🤷🏻♀️
@@omdhdk agreed on all this mate, its good but not A:TLA level, but it fills u better then korra. Also dark magic is physicaly bad as it corrupts you while morality wise i think its ok. Its only called dark cause elves are snobish af, and they think using magic via dead animals is anu differnt from hunting. Honestly screw those elves
So brave... couldn't have done it on the show no that would be cowardly... He put it on his tumbler... and it was in the comics oooooooooo move over guy who stood up to tanks in Tiananmen square for what he believed in! The people who had the spine to put what they wanted on tumbler and comics (which not many people who watched it will read) are the real brave people!
The idea of LOK being “darker” and “more mature” than ATLA is just simply not true. Like, what the fudge. ATLA even had a scene that implied Sokka and Suki had sex.
Chris P. Absolutely. That entire episode is very dark actually. The whole “adventure” is her trying to find the man who kills her mom so she can either leave him within an inch of his life or kill him. But yeah Sokka has his tent set up for a suggestive night.
I liked the episode where Azula, Zuko, Ty Lee, and May go to that fire nation party and you finally realize that these people are 15 and the only thing they knew was war, power, and politics and that it psychologically and mentally affected them. They didn’t t even know to interact with people their age and people that didn’t directly relate to the war.
For me, what REALLY pissed me off about the Legend of Korra was that they degraded bending to basic punches and kicks, and a spin once in a while. In ATLA, EVERY movement meant to bend that character’s respective element was very specific, and seeing that motion you could assume what it was meant to do, and a lot of those motions were inspired by real-life martial arts. Plus, every single bender also had their own style of bending different than someone else’s. In ATLA, bending is established as an art and very personal to the individual. In LOK, the writers shit on all of this. It pissed me off, as someone who’s favorite aspect of the series is the sheer amount of thought that went into the world building, character development, and bending. It’s one of the sole reasons I don’t like this show.
Honestly preach I felt this so hard and I’m so angry at TLOk for even existing I don’t even consider it canon What a stab in the back this show is it felt like they threw everything beautiful about this series away and lit it on fire
Right? I’m so glad people agree with me on this. In ATLA, we are literally shown this in THE FIRST EPISODES. Back when Katara couldn’t waterbend, and Aang was captured by Zuko and then rescued by Katara and Sokka, she accidentally freezes Sokka’s feet to the ship because she throws her arms the wrong way in an attempt to ward off their attackers. In response, she turns around, and does the same motion, freezing the fire nation soldiers instead of her brother, this time. That was the most obvious instance, which there are several more of in ATLA, but in LOK, this is practically nonexistent. In the first seconds of LOK, we see a practical baby bend three out of the four elements right out of the gate, showing practical mastery in the three. While Aang (regarded as a prodigy in bending) took YEARS to master even one element, and was forced to rush the others. In my opinion, even if fans of the series love to say that LOK only looks worse because it follows such a masterpiece, the creators just overall shit on such a wonderful series. They turned the ATLA worldbuilding and universe into some sort of perverted steampunk Americanized technological world, ruined the religion and spirituality present in the series, ruined the lore on the Avatar and its cycle, all in favor of a romantic romcom-ish show that happens to have people who bend elements, and favors overpowered characters that even with the most powerful ability in that world (the Avatar State), still manages to lose fights for the sole reason that shes a girl and needs a big, strong man to finish fights for her. And don’t even get me started on the disrespect against Tenzin and airbending in general
Another thing that pissed me off is that they completely erased the long-term effects of the war, and acted like the war never happened. The biggest offender of this is how the Spirit world just DECIDED to restore the balance in the elements, and give a ton of random nonbenders airbending, which overall is a horrible plot device, is really just a way to insert the antagonist into that season, and has a TON of plot holes. For example, why then? Why not after the genocide, while Aang was still in the ice? It could have saved him so much grief, even knowing that at least he wasn’t the ONLY airbender left, but instead it happens centuries in the future? WHY? This decision is a lame attempt on the writers’ part, and maybe it wouldn’t have been so bad if they expanded on the culture and very prevalent spirituality that is described over and over again in ATLA (in fact, it’s a huge part of Aang’s character and his development), but instead they just shit all over it. I honestly shouldn’t expect much from a show that shows the AVATAR destroying one of the only ancient artifacts left from the genocide, one of the only things Tenzin has to train his children and continue the culture of the Air Nomads, just because SHE was inconvenienced because she skill wasn’t delivered to her on a silver platter. Then the writers decide that she doesn’t have to face the consequences of her actions, and continues to learn airbending, which is later also given to her on a silver platter. I am DONE with Korra’s arrogance and sheer ignorance on practically everything an Avatar needs to have, without exception, and it weren’t for the plot of the show, it would be pretty easy to turn her into an evil Avatar. Honestly, an evil Avatar would’ve fit her character a lot more, and would have made for a good redemption story where she learns to let go of her privilege, arrogance, etc in favor of being the Avatar she is supposed and needed to be.
@@reinhardtsanchez7952 and all his friends and teachers tbh, we all know he'd be the type of dude who recognises he never would have succeeded without the help of them and appreciates them for that.
Some Guy since you all are so dense. let me explain it. the statue doesn’t represent what the ozai statue did, a powerful, godlike entity; glorifying someone. it represents republic city, much like how no one really knows who the statue of liberty is. it doesn’t matter. it doesn’t represent that. it (is supposed to)represent(s) america, american values.
Some Guy it is. but the statue’s purpose isn’t that to glorify aang. it’s to symbolize republic city. it didn’t get built until republic city was built.
That's what I assumed her to be when she was first introduced. I thought it'd be something like an impoverished firebender stuck being a cockfighting animal for the non-bender masses' entertainment (while also juggling an industrial job), being preyed upon by a manipulative and rich daddy's girl with lots of toys and hatred for the 'oppressive benders'. She turned out to be a very fanfiction-like 'good guy' that can do no wrong and is always in the right corner.
"That would have made TLOK better" Yeah, no. That would only give SOME merit of why she is a character and not a walking plot device. Is like saying "If this character said A instead of B, it would improve the show because it makes it better!"
“The only way to redeem the Legend of Korra is to write another series with the good traits of avatar and confirm that korra was in fact not real and just a legend” -my amazing girlfriend
They named him Mako in honor of Ihro's voice actor and had him literally turn women gay, and get cucked by them for each other. The level of disrispect is unreal.
I can imagine old Zuko just saying “that’s rough buddy” and Mako just looking at him with pure confusion like “you’re bad at comforting people you know.”
They didn't have to prove female characters are strong and likeable. Just look at Toph and Katara. People love them and they didn't get their work done for them by somebody else. They were just badass and cool.
Even Azula was more likeable than Korra, because she had a reason to be an asshole. She was raised by... literally Stalin, while Korra was raised by a stable family, in a stable home, in a stable environment. She has no excuse for being a raging cunt.
Yeah but those two were more well-mannered and worked with others well despite the challenges before them, Korra gives no shit if you try to help her at all
Arguably there are more strong female characters in ATLA than male characters: Katara, Azula, Toph, Mai and Ty lee vs Aang, Sokka and Zuko. And even though Azula is a bitch and a horrible person she's still one of the most likable characters because of her perceptive personality, being a briliant tactician, smart and charismatic, being strong as fuck and on the other hand socially awkward. And Korra is just a super strong teenager with a bitchy attitude and bad moods.
Korrasami is the most forced ship asf, and I hate how mako gets shitted on despite the fact it was korra who took the guy from his gf, then for some reason the two began to have "romantic" relationship despite korra was the aggressor and they only have friendly hints than lesbian hints.
Oong The Last Airbender Because he lied about their fight, purposefully trying to avoid reminding her that they broke up? The point isn't that she remembered, it's that he tried to weasel out of it and I already said I agree that Korra and Asami don't belong together.
@@cruzwindu777deffsff4 hey at least lesbian thing in adventure time was "developed" for many years, despite Finn is the reason bubblegum and Marceline started to talk to each others again, but I dont think they ever care about that
“I forgot someone” is the perfect way to describe Asami. I challenge anyone who loves Asami or Korrasami to think of any one truly meaning full thing she managed to do in 4 seasons.
Turned on her father when it was revealed that he was a villain, kept her business afloat despite subterfuge, created gear and weapons to help Republic City and the "good guys", and be a kickass bitch with a fat ass who shows that non-benders are capable fighters, too.
Asami doesn’t really have much of an identity for herself outside of being used for teen drama, and being Korra’s confidant. Season two almost managed to do something with her and her business.
@@austinjohnsen4430 She wasn't the focus of the show, but was fleshed out enough for a side character (given the limited number of episodes each season). I liked her chemistry with Mako and how they shared a traumatic past; the storyline with her and Hiroshi and his involvement with the Equalists and how he and Asami each dealt with the loss of their wife/mother differently; her friendships with Korra and Bolin; the whole "business" with her business and Varrick and the Triads; I thought she was fun.
@@hanburgundy4317 Yeah, that’s all she was kind of used for was fun. It’s because of her and other factors that we got that love triangle and it’s through her we meet Varrick.
What truly made Asami worthless was Varrick and Zhu Li filling the same role with more charm. For most of the series she was Mako's ex-girlfriend and the fourth member of the team by default. Honestly would have been more interesting if they filled the slot with Kai or one of Tenzen's (female) kids.
#3:Because the Main Character is a Strong Women of color Me:Katara was a Strong Women of color and she was a WAY BETTER Heroine then Korra could ever wish to be.
Yeah, why nobody talks about Uh-vatar the fucking comics? Katara is ruined in them also, because hello Bryke. She is nothing but an arm-candy of Aang and doesn't even speak her mind anymore. It's full of "you'll make thd right choice because I believe in you, sweetie!!!!" bullshit.
Fish Fishing I finished watching Korra with my girlfriend and after talking about it and criticizing it for an hour, I realized it was such a shitty fucking show with no meaning and power behind it at all.
@@marzialalfonzocanada888 Azula was more of the cunning rather than the creative types of smarts. Sokka constantly wanted to create and use the terrain to his advantage. Azula would literally just melt the terrain to her advantage, and much of her intelligence was geared towards intrigue rather than invention.
Right I hate when people say aang always needed to go into the avatar state to win a battle (which is not true of course) But then forget the fact that at least when aang went into the avatar state it was to protect his friends or it was because of emotional distress but then with korra she does it to win a freaking air scooter race
*Mako being forceably kissed despite him not specifying that he wanted to be kisses while also trying to figure out his feelings for Korra* *Fandom hates him for what Korra did to him, even though he was basically forced into that relationship* Me: I love the smell of double standards in the morning.
Hey, now, you can't forget that Korra trashed and broke his desk in his place of work and that if a male character even dared did half of what she had just done the whole fandom would be ablaze with fury. But it's okay because she strong independent wahman, abusing men is okay because they're men! Especially if a woman is doing it, then it's empowering...?...! I hate how my gender is always presented in female leads 🤦 God forbid we get a female lead who's like Katara or Suki or someone... Oh, oh, and then we get a little joke about tophs daughter that she destroyed the airbenders island or something when tenzin broke up with her. Don't you just love a*b*u*1ve relationships that are made completely okay or are treated like a joke cos women are doing it? Cos I sure don't. Ugh, it's sickening. 🤢
"But Legend of Korra has more romance!" Aang falls in love with Katara, Katara falls in love with Aang. They never let that get in the way of their goals, but rather help each other reach them. They respected each other and grew together. Korra literally dated the whole main cast, with the exception of Air Daddy because she knew better than to awake the anger of a middle aged woman who fought nail and teeth to lock that 1 in a billion airbending dick.
never forget romance Sokka and Yue Even when Yue died and he already got Suki he still remember her . When Suki journey with them in dragon .... (i forgot) Sokka became worry of her safety bcs he doesnt want to lose anyone precious again
Aaron also created Toph personality. The original Michael&Bryan idea was that Toph would be just some bulky Earth man. And guess what - in the Korra characters are mostly bulky guys. So, don't overlook "Head Writer" role he did.
There’s nothing wrong with Korra being a bad person at the beginning of the show. Aang was an irresponsible goof who needed to take things seriously. He learned to take responsibility and have confidence in his abilities. Starting with an impulsive, yet talented hothead is a good place to start for a hero’s journey. They just don’t have her learn the right lessons or grow in a satisfying way.
The difference is self awareness. Aang is constantly blamed for abandoning his duty and disappearing for 100 years. Meanwhile, Korra shits on everyone's heads constantly and is praised for that - scrap "praised", at the end it always turns out that she was right all along.
Hell remember when Aang tried learning Firebending early after Jeong Jeong told him he wasn't ready and as a result he burned Katara accidentally and after getting scolded by Sokka and fighting Zhao, Aang took responsibility by deciding to never Firebend again(as stupid as that was since he needed it) and keep studying water and earth like Jeong Jeong advised him to After that did he learned Firebending, but from a master who understood how it was to like to mess up and want to take responsibility for his actions and change which is Zuko who betrayed his uncle who treated him like a son (hurting someone you love narrative)
You make it sound like Korra might have been a decent story had they done that better. But to do that there was an infinite amount of problems to fix first. Horrible show, all around. Not even close to being good storytelling.
Whoah, whoah, whoah there! Are you saying Katara was a great character because, while she was strong, she was flawed, had moral dilemmas, and challenges to overcome, instead of being some overpowered demigod who, sadly has to walk amongst us mere mortals? Come on now! That is the sexist talk of the PATRIARCHY! You need to check some of that privilege! (I am being completely sarcastic, btw).
When I first saw the ending of LoK, I didn’t get a whole lesbian relationship vibe. I just got a BFF vibe between the two. The internet had to tell me about it and I wasn’t very impressed by it from how much it was talked about.
I felt the exact same way. When I watched the series with my wife, even she was thrown off by the whole "they were lesbians at the end" She told me that everything they did were things that women typically do. They hug. They talk. They laugh. They blush when complimented. They were good friends at best. When I watched it and saw the hand holding, I just thought it was a touching moment where the two despite all their troubles were able to be friends and go onto many adventures together. It wasn't until I was discussing the show with a friend when they said "Nah, man. They were lesbians." and I had to take a moment to think about it and ask "What?" and they went on to tell me how all of Tumblr was saying they were gay through the entire show's run time.
Good things in ALoK: Tenzin Tenzin Tenzin Tenzin Tenzin Tenzin Tenzin' kids were kinda fine Tenzin Tenzin Tenzin Tenzin Lin Tenzin Tenzin Bad things in Alok: Can't write because of character limitation
Zaheer and his crew i say again his crew and amon were cool too.they fit in just as well as the assasins who were rookie enough to go against iroh and actually had a backstory😂👌in ATLA. They killed jet family and were a good song band (vouch from iroh💯)
There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se. There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se. There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se. There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se. There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se.
Not having Aaron Ehasz and the original staff was primarily why LOK had so many problems, but a symptom of this that is another huge issue is that they TRY to be more adult and edgy. ATLA didn't try, they just told a good story. Any story that TRIES to be edgy or mature ends up forcing it and causing problem after problem if it doesn't completely destroy the story.
I'm so tired of shows and movies trying to be something, instead of telling a good story. I completely agree to your comment, trying to be unreasonably edgy (or nihilistically subversive in many cases) always ends in a worse story.
About Korrasami. I'm not salty that they're canon. But it still feels somewhat forced. Like, there is absolutely NO indication of them swinging both sides. I mean, yeah, they actually were nice to each other after they stopped bitching about Mako. And if that is enough to justify them getting together at the end, then this is not a "win" for gay relationships. That's like saying, all girls who are nice to other girls are potentially gay for them. Like ????? It doesn't work like that for me or any of my gay/bi friends.
Mind you this _is_ the audience that immediately depict any guy characters who are remotely involved with each other as life partners, so it's possible that they are just that brand of fetishists.
It feels forced cause it makes absolutly no sense and dosnt interact with the world. How many gay couples are introduced at that point? In both series. The answer shows, that in this world, just a generation away from ancient asia (china), homosexuality or bisexuality is either "not a thing" or "not accept" and handled like in real history. So, when one of the main characters would get romantic feelings towards that direction - wouldnt you expect SOME development? Some time spend on that? Inner thoughts, doubts? A very vulnerable approach or outing? When they both come out at the very same time at that very exposed spot - one of them the Avatar who already lived thousands of times in both genders and seems not to had that desire until now - wouldnt you expect the environment to react? Especially in a society so riddled and reformed? But no, there is no sign of this incoming (even if those guys claim we are just to idiotic to see the hints) if you dont take any sign of friendship and care as sexual attraction (which is so pre-adult that it may belong into a children series...). There is no stand of society, no sexual revolution in it. It is forced cause it is what it is - one scene throwing not only a lifechanger for two "characters" in but also flip the table of society and the builded world around them without any reaction or sign before it happens. Honestly i think they wanted to show the deep friendship and thankfullness, perhaps platonic love for the care Korra got by Asami - just to see extatic and hysteric reactions by a lot of "progressiv livestreamers" and LGBTQ adorers and reacted in the most greedy way. And like in Star Wars or MTG or any other "old school" entertainment franchise they reacted as if they are gods and we are unworthy to walk with those who pray to them. Only one time i would love to see someone stepping down the SJW shrine and say: sry people, yeah we ruined it because we loaded it with our ideology and interests. I can see why this is a kick in your ass as the fans who had kept it alive until this point. We are sry. This is kicked out the canon.
Here's my personal take away from the Korra-Asami thing: Yes, throughout the entire show, there isn't a single hint of romance, sexual attraction, whatever. Yet, at the end, they end up together. There HAS been some build up though. The correspondance between them, the bonds they developped while Korra was handicapped. Also, their shared romantic failures with Mako. The way I understand it goes something like this: The whole story with Mako was bullshit, unnecessary drama for which all three of them were guilty. They were so caught up in superficial bullshit, they weren't in touch with their actual personal feelings. This was a learning experience. Just because someone gets your pants tingly isn't justification enough to devote your life to that person, and certainly not to get angry when a third person is also getting pants-tingles about them. Once this entire affair was over with, they had spent enough time with each other to not need the kind of mask we put up when meeting strangers. They knew each other fairly well, and despite their history, actually still enjoyed each other's company. And so, they kept exchanging, and bonding. And when the time came for Korra to go spend some time in the spirit world, it wasn't so much a question of romance, couples, sex, etc. as we usually see it. It was simply two humans who enjoyed each other's company, one who wanted company to wander through an unknown magical world, and one that like the first one enough to follow them. As for the question "will there be tingly pants?", it can be countered by the question "Is there any actual reason not to?". So yeah, it was surprising, but I feel it wasn't a total asspull, only about 50% of one. And it was definitely a statement on the subject of "the norms and conventions we all know about love and romance are utter bullshit", which is a narrative that some people will relate to and find perfectly justified, and some others won't and they will think it's bullshit.
Ok. No you dont lol. If it is true they most likely mean the overall tone of the show is more mature. The general atmosphere and drama having less comedic value then last airbender. I mean their in the same universe. Saying the airnomad genocide happened in last airbender which automatically means its darker could be said with korra. They're in the same universe its just that there was never really a reason to bring it up.
how to make a "successful" sequel show that everyone "loves" 1- Independent strong woman 2-said woman is lesbian or bi 3- completely disregard any things that happened in the base content. 4- kill off any relations with main character of base content
People always write off Cinderella when in actual fact her story is about a woman escaping her abusers to find happiness. The Prince isn't even a character.
1:31 THANK YOU. AT LAST SOMEONE SAID IT. Why is everyone acting like ATLA was freaking spongebob in comparison to Korra? The story of ATLA takes place during a war and we get to see the devastating consequences.
I mean dude was supportive and chill, but holy shit when he gets serious you can feel the dragon of the west vibes And also that episode with him commemorating his son is my first feel moment from a show Also his firebending is bizare and sometimes formidable
The "strong woman of colour" argument is particularly bad because there is no white people in the show. Literally every character is some variation on Asian. Yet despite that everyone loved the Asian characters in TLAB.
[Hi, I’m sorry for this rant. Didn’t’ intended to write so much at the start but it happened. Not really trying to press you on giving me an absolute answer or even one at all. Just tired of the term and its vague bullshit. So I just want to emphasis that it’s nothing personal and I hope I don’t come off as attacking you. Sorry for any incoherence] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So in this world of ours there exists now The “White’s” and The “Coloured”? How does this make sense? Why is every other ethnicity except those deemed “white” of which I don’t even know where it exactly ends count into that? What are the criteria needed to be a “PoC”? Is this line drawn on being someone of the "people of colour" category literally just the colour of your skin or is it “looking European”? Can’t be skin colour since a lot of Asians are more “white” skinned than many of Europeans, and even a substantial amount of Northern Europeans, so that can’t be it right? But it can’t be “looking European” either if one goes by what I perceive to be your perspective here on that. And even if that isn't how you see it then what is I know the term, I know the etymology and history of it, and if Black people in the North Americas want to designate themselves as such then who the fuck cares, I mean the majority of blacks in the North Americas are of mixed heritage. So it fits in with the way that for example South Africa and certain other African countries use it, where "People of colour" are those of mixed heritage of the Boers and the Bantu (White and the Black), so “Pure Africans” in south Africa aren’t “People of Colour” there. Which is why blacks in the North Americas would be considered more European or at least not African in a substantial amount of countries in Africa. Both because the sense of blackness that is so strong in the US for example isn’t ubiquitous in Africa at all and that they don’t share the heritage of that of the Americas blacks. As well as them having a lot more European phenotypical traits than contemporary Africans in general, and culture s is one hell of difference, even in the same country it can be a huge divide among different groups. At least they would definitely not be accepted as Africans by a lot of Africans from what I know. So based on whether one goes with whites are those of European decent, or south Europeans are not "white" either as some argue, then we have between 400-800 Million set against 7.3-6.8 Billion in this unnecessary categorisation. Why is this even a somewhat useful designation to have in common parlance? We have certain broad racial designations, both because of linguistic heritage and history, but most of all because it does help in certain areas. For example, great example is in medicine, because there is quite a lot medical conditions that are either almost only prevalent, or to a much higher degree present in one “race” then others. But we also have it because we aren’t dumb and can observe and are by nature very tribal. But what does “People of Colour” bring in to the discourse at all if it encompasses everyone except “White people”? As in 6 to 12 percent of the world’s population? To me it seems like an inculcated term to view the world in power struggle of classes, or at least in the way it’s come to be in western countries. It’s the white against the coloured because they are the minority and eternal victims. The perspective of the myopic white guilt flail-loving ignorance of the NPC masses that leads to the same kind of idea of talking about Asians as minorities even when the context is about for example Chinese (Han) people in China. The aggregation that comes with a plethora of categories that specifically aren’t based on a dichotomy of word usage makes it murkier for our monkey brains and forces more introspection, which is why having this "White" and the rest who are "Coloured" seems particularly pernicious compared to at least having the 5 broad designations, of which under those broad designations there a whole plethora of ethnicities. I can’t see who this term helps out except those trying to build and climb the hierarchy in the oppression Olympics in any way when it literally it's just stating none-white except with the added bonus of arbitrarily enforcing in-group alignment of everyone else. And especially in today’s climate of SocJus with academia for the last decades pumping out a perspective history as the white devil having subjugated the world and the “noble savages”, of which all belong into the category of “People of colour”. I know I’m just asking a lot here from such a seemingly simple thing, so sorry for that, and I would love to get an answer from anyone who wants to give one. Since I just fucking hate this term because of how it’s used without distinction except it being a grouping o 94-87% of the worlds population against the rest, and I try to ask as many as possible whenever it’s brought up to get to the bottom if it. With Regards From a complete Autist
Yes. It's an incoherent notion for a cartoon. Actually, it's incoherent in general because skin colour or even race is negligible in the face of culture, wealth, language, and so on. There's no 'representation' or other nonsense. What is unrepresented is social/political sensibilities and culture of non-Americans. Every character fits into the scheme of Americanisms.
@@LimboN8 Apparently this random fucking nigga since ya responded...... so thanks for the milk-toast warm fuck ya gave, you random nigga. And how did you know of my hidden truth of being of royal linage..... OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!!!!
Zuko has the greatest redemption arc in the history of redemption arcs. The fact that avatar literally got an official Peabody award for character development was nothing short of deserved.
How I wanted Season 1 to end: Aang DOES show up (let's face it we wanted to see him anyway), sits with Korra, and lets her express herself. He doesn't restore her bending. At all. Instead, he lets her spill her emotions because at that moment she needed someone to confide in. And who better to confide in than the previous Avatar? After listening, Aang shows his sympathy, but encourages her that there is always another way. I feel that not only will Korra grow from her old bratty self, but this will also be in character for Aang. (Remember how desperatedly he wanted to end the war without killing Ozai?) Thus, Aang reassures her that everything will be OK. (Also Mako doesn't show up) Korra looks up, slightly hopefully, at the dawning sky. THE END Sorry for any grammar mistakes.
Wow, great idea! I really love these bitter-sweet endings! Can I use this for a rewrite of Korra? I don't know when and whether it will be published, since I have other work to do, but still.
I remember vividly the moment that turned me completely off from the show in the first season (I dropped it shortly after) was the scene in which Bolin discovers Korra and Mako kissing. Now we don't know if Bolin has ever had a crush on someone like he had Korra before, but it hits the heart harder if this really was his first love. He's poor as hell, but he goes out and buys the girl he likes flowers because he wants to make her happy and show his feelings. Then he sees said girl kissing his older brother, whom he adores. In one foul swoop he is betrayed by two people he loves through no fault of his own. And how does the show handle this? By having Bolin crumple up and run away crying in the most obvious and insulting excuse for comedy I'd seen in a while (at the time). He runs away and when Mako finds him he is in a similar state of drunken comedic crying. Mako even has the gall to pick his crying brother up and sling him over his shoulder like a sack of soggy potatoes in a 'Jesus get a grip bro' way. It was at that moment that I realised Bryke and the writers had zero respect for practically the only character in the show that I liked. Any depth of feeling was just played for laughs. People he cared about crapped all over him and he had to like it and lump it. Why? Primarily I think because Bolin was written as comic relief/audience stand-in first and a character second. It was honestly painful to watch.
I know... Bolin and aang's grand son....and the dog were the only characters I liked and seeing bolin betrayed like that made me so mad at korra. And it just made me upset
Korra was not a character. She was specifically written to be the anti-Aang and be a mirror reflection of all of his attributes. Thus, she was only an archetype, never a living, breathing person.
this makes plenty of sense watching the series now. couldn't they write her to face different struggles from aang? keep some good character traits, but replace the naivety of aang with cynicism that gets in her way as the avatar she's got a head start in other styles of bending, but is weak with spiritual stuff whereas aang could enter the spirit world whenever. but not the actual korra struggles of: "i cant connect to the spirit world, except when its convenient for plot" and "i only struggle with airbending." for one, she could just be mediocre at all styles of bending, aka she can waterbend, but without any finesse and capability to freeze, etc. or she can tap into the spirit world, but suffers some kind of bending deterioration side effect that she'd have to strengthen by training in both bending and spirit stuff. nah, handing everything onto a silver platter for korra is more interesting
I like how criticizing anything is seen as looking at it from a different perspective, paying good attention to a show and skillfully pointing out flaws and holes in the plot that make a lot of sense, but when it involves any gay stuff it is super duper homophobic, racist, transphobic, based, redpilled, and fascist, like do these idiots even know I'm a communist? smh.
His "points" just solidify that he either didn't actually watch the show, or just did so with the express purpose of hating it and making a nitpick video. Tell me: has E;R made any _positive_ reviews?
@@hanburgundy4317, he’s praised the original Death Note anime/manga series; he’s praised the original Watchmen comic series; he’s praised the original Avatar the Last Airbender series before Whorra became a series, and he’s praised Steins Gate multiple times in his videos, and E;R just like myself and just about everybody on TH-cam that has had their TH-cam accounts suspended at some point in time all hate SJW entertainment made in Hollywood nowadays, and that’s why I myself and just about everybody that has their TH-cam accounts suspended on here love and praise anime series more often than series being made in Hollywood nowadays because anime studios gives the audiences what they want instead of retconing, pissing off their fanbase, and being assholes to everybody on the Internet that Hollywood actors, producers, executives, etc etc does.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Praised, yes - made a video with the purpose of praise? Nope. All he does is make negative "review" videos; they get views. People like to sit and listen to other people bitch and nitpick and tear apart movies - that's why videos like these are a dime a dozen on youtube. Conversely, there a plethora of reviews on youtube that DO praise _The Legend of Korra_ but they don't get anywhere near as many views, comments, or likes - regardless of how in-depth the critique goes or whether it debunks common complaints and criticisms. People just WANT to hate things. Moreover, ATLA is far from perfect; it is, in the end, still just a cartoon with magic and kung fu. The fact that we can get into deeper messages and wax eloquent about its virtues is a testament to what a cartoon can achieve, but it's not like the same can't be done for LOK and it's not like ATLA isn't still objectively a children's program. These nitpick reviewers do two things: 1.) Nitpick: give zero credit where credit is due, find fault with EVERYTHING, leave out resolutions to issues to present a false narrative, rudely dismiss and mock. and 2.) Praise an alternative: if it's STAR WARS, they praise the OG trilogy to mythical, flawless levels and then contrast the focus and claim, "this one doesn't do that,". It's intellectually dishonest.
Making the main character gay is the best move a producer could pull. Then they don't have to do any work to make their show good. They can just rely on the fanbase to call everyone who criticizes the show homophobic. The more you pander to the SJW crowd, the bigger the voice you have defending your work for absolutely nothing other than having a person of color who is also a gay woman.
ATLA literally got an award from the Humane Society on “Appa’s Lost days” because it correctly demonstrated how animals are treated in the circus business and how animals can remember the abuse they were put through if they did not behave( i.e. Appa being scared of fire). If that doesn’t show the maturity and realism of ATLA then idk what will.
Steelypoppy 986 but what confuses me is that what do you all want? how exactly was lok supposed to outdo a fucking war arc? cut it some slack. like y’all hate for no reason. it was targeted at a larger audience, but it couldn’t have been more dark.
raven how can you be more dark and mature THAN A FUCKING WAR ARC. that was the question. spamming war arcs to be edgy isn’t good writing, especially for a continuum lineage narrative.
raven in the 200 years from when roku found out he was the avatar to when korra arrives in republic city., technology changes make sense. instead of thinking about it from like 25 BC to 2009 AD, it was more like 1720 to 1920s. which is a logically jump.
Thank you E;R. I started to feel to hate about the Legend of Whorra characters. Hell the name "Mako" is huge disrespect to the original voice actor of Uncle Iron. Can we all agree that Legend of Whorra is not Canon?
I hate how a$use is used as a joke. Like when Kora forcefully kissed Mako,or when she appeared at his work place and destroyed his desk,or when Lin says she trashed and ruined Air temple island after Tenzin broke up with her,or when Eska was treating Bolin like an animal. It's all played off as a joke because: AbUsE iS fUnNy WhEn ThE aBuSeR iS a WoMaN. I just hate it that when women are abused it's awful,but when men are abused it's funny. I just don't get it.
It bugs me too, why do men thing writing "strong women" means making them act like stereotypical chauvinistic douchebags (think Gaston) but with vaginas. Just get rid of the whole term "strong female character" and call it "well written female character" because people will always associate strength with masculine traits and attitudes, as stupid and nonsensical as I think that is.
I always saw Korra as an antihero, works much better that way. Still, while some of the background stories were alright, main plot lines were so bad I stopped watching it a few times before reluctantly coming back with enough hope accumulated. This show taught me new respect to authors who know when to stop and have the will to do it. It's painful to leave great fictional universes behind, but often it's the best thing you can do as their creator. You either die as a classic or run long enough to become fanservice.
It's like Back to the Future; Everyone wants a sequel, but it wouldn't be half as good. Just look at Star Wars, Korra, Dragonball GT, Dragonball Super, Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, Family Guy, The Simpsons and hell, even in videogames like StarFox, Halo, Call of Duty, and Assassin's Creed; They all started off great, but look at them now. Some things just don't know when to die.
The only way I would've enjoyed her is if she was the butt monkey of the series. Sure, it might still be crap, but seeing that colossal shitbag getting laughed at at every turn would've made me enjoy that at least.
You're absolutely right about Sokka. He was courageous, cunning, and intelligent. He came up with the idea for the War balloon at the air Temple, came up with the idea to use it as a bomb when they spotted the gas leak to beat back the firebenders, took out the owl that was trying to kill everyone in the underground Library, figured out the Eclipse would leave the firebenders defenseless an organized an attack on that day, and was an enormous part in stopping the firebenders during sozin's comet. He was amazing!
Yeah, Sokka is awesome! I didn't appreciate him enough when I was a kid because I was a simp for Zuko, but now when rewatching as an adult, I've found myself caring more about Sokka's development than anyone else's tbh.
I agree with everything except one part. Sokka did not come up with the warballon. He only got the idea for the lid on top to control it. Even he himself never takes credit for the ballon telling suko that a friend of his designed the ballons.
@@TrixyTrixter Oh right. That’s correct. But it was Sokkas innovation that made it useable, since the man who did think of the balloon itself couldn’t actually use it since getting in it would mean rising indefinitely until death. Sokka did also think of using it to blow up the fire nation when they were seizing the air temple after he found the crack smelling of the sulfur. But, yes. You’re right. It was the other inventor who thought of the heated balloon idea. Thanks for the correction!
Not to talk about the fact that bolin was in one of the most toxic relationships i’ve ever seen and everyone took it as a joke It was protraied as a joke and no one in the series seemed to give a fuk about that relationship, not even mako who was supposed ti protect his brother if i remember correctly
Yeah,he was treated like an slave and everyone just laughed. I hate how it's seen as funny when women are abusers,and not at all serious,like when Lyn says she trashed air temple island after Tenzin broke up with her,how is it funny. Now imagine if a guy said "My girlfriend broke up with me so l wrecked her house" he would he seen as an abusive maniac
@@xeroxyde3397 Not really. There's that one Oceanic people with dark skin that have some dark-golden hair, but I'm not sure they qualify as "blonde haired".
Honestly, I liked that Korra was hot headed at first. She was everything opposite of Aang. She wasn't peaceful of spiritual. With that, I think it was wrong for them to leave her character at that. It would have been better if Aang was guiding and teaching Korra about spirituality much like Roku did the same for him. Pair that with Amon acutally energy bending and non-bender's being actually opressed they could have taken Korra on a journey where she has to learn and grow as an Avatar and a person. Hell, they could have even taken her bending away for a few episodes so she sees the injustice forced on non benders, much like zuko saw the injustice forced on other nation.
I don't buy the whole "make non-benders oppressed" storyline. It's unnecessary. Just making her leave life as a vulnerable, regular person is enough to push her into maturity, self-reflection and developing adaptability. Non-benders were already stablished in the Avatar lore as simply filling socio-cultural niches than the benders didn't. Look at Sokka's entire character arc, he was disadvantaged against benders but he wasn't some second class citizen, he simply developed different skills to contend.
Yeah I was with the show for a while but my patience wore out in the second book. I kept saying "And now Korra will experience maturity... right?" Nope.
i too would have preferred her character if they fundamentally changed the entire story and every decision she ever made past the first 10 minutes of the show
@@hanburgundy4317 but when though, the only thing I can think of is when he shat himself while in the spirit world. And I think that’s about it. Or he called Zhao an ass face once. He never bended his gas
@@Gold23228 The show makes fart noises whenever a butt appears (which is often). It's a silly cartoon - IDK why people are trying to act like it's a mature anime or like LOK is entirely made up of that one time Meelo airbended a fart. It's just stupid hypocrisy from edgy fans who take what people on youtube say seriously. LOK was more mature than ATLA, but both are still just cartoons; they're made for kids, so they have some childish humor - the difference is that LOK was made for the kids who had already watched ATLA and/or slightly older kids/teens. It's like that other version of Ben10 that came out a few years after the original: older characters, older humor, better action, takes itself a bit more seriously.
@@wafflingmyboy1053 honestly the only point that reaaaally bothered me was taking away all the past generations, other than that it's just a bit worse than the first show, which was so good that it was hard to follow up
@@pheonixshaman I've heard the last two seasons of Korra are decent, I think E;R himself said it in one of these videos but I don't feel like this show deserves a second chance.
Edward Armstrong season 3 is actually really good considering how bad Bryke butchered the first 2 seasons. I have not seen season 4 but from the plotpoints I’ve seen or heard it looks decent.
Also..first rule to every creator to any series out there...never listen to the shippers...ever. Never concede to their ship, not even if you are going that route. It's your story, not the shippers. So, no matter how much they pressure you to say that "Character X should fuck character Y even though they never talked to each other or tangentially related to each other"...just say no. Or just flip the bird at them and never answer the question on screen and tease them to death...the wait will kill them soon enough.
I swear to god, if I ever become a comic creator and Tumblr is all "oh my d-g we need Sarah and Lily to be in love for -my fetish- social justice 4 lesbians," I WILL have at least one issue hyping up to involve some sort of romance, and then it will end with a two-page shot dedicated to Sarah and Mason kissing. Those are placeholder names, don't get excited.
***** The problem, at least in my opinion, was that they decided to listen to everything the fans said, making the show more and more serious and adding in random shippings just to please the fans. It eventually came back to bite them when the fans turned on the show after Finn got his arm back.
2:16 "the main character is a strong woman of colour" I legit hadn't realised korra was "a woman of colour" until then. This world cares so deeply about it that it keeps the racism, we need to let go of thinking that someone is black or white and just see people like I had with korra
I want the world to burn. I did see something where someone said they wanted to make a season about azula’s redemption arc maybe that will come along with the new next flix movie(which i hope they don’t butcher)
When I watched the show it never crossed my mind they were gay, I thought it was just one friend supporting another who had gone through a tough time, girls generally don't have a problem being that close without being gay, or maybe it's just me.
I feel like that’s the new trope now. A “strong” female cannot be close to another female without some attraction involved. I don’t know why, but that’s pretty damn common in shows these days.
Yeah the comics that continue after the legend of korra basically shove the fact that they're in a relationship by having them make out in every other scene in your face.. There was also another part where korra tells her parent she's gay. He dad said says great we don't mind but you should be careful not everyone is going to like it and korra shouts that they're not open minded enough and runs off in a tantrum. The bad writing didn't stop at the show unfortunately.
“Legend of Korra is darker! The Last Airbender is for kids!” *TLA IN THE MEANWHILE* I am about a war that has destroyed an intire race and ripped and broken families. I am about a country with a very toxic leader that made his daughter his warmachine and banished his son over nothing. I am about a country with a corrupt government that is ruled by a de-facto ruler and a group that support him called the Dai Li, who basically protect Ba Sing Se however possible, even going as far as hiding the war, and brainwashing anyone who opposes them. Children are killed on screen. And horrible things happen. My characters are great, developed real beings with various character arcs. *MEANWHILE IN LOK* I try to create villians who are very deep and support deeper themes but I rush it so badly that the story doesn’t make sense, and that their motives are undermined. Korra is a mary sue and doesn’t have to do anything and the rest of the characters are as dimensional as wood. The fights are one sided. Like trained warriors can’t fight the Red Lotus, but Kai (a noob airbender) can, Bumi (even worse in airbending) can. Meanwhile the Dai Li get knocked out by their own rock gloves... Yeah, LOK definetely is the better series.
One problem. Doesn't being a Mary Sue require actually, I don't know, accomplishing a task through skill instead of flailing about like a jackass until the universe changes to accommodate you?
E:R has a flawed Mary Sue deffiniton (which incidentally is why hand isn't a Mary Sue in solo. Literature devil put it best. "The largest distinction for a Mary Sue is that while a normal Character is written to fit the story, the Mary Sue bends the story to fit her." Being overpowered or always winning are signs of this, and it can be a subtle difference. However for Korea I think it applies to her decently enough.
Thanks for making this series, E;R. I have every intention of watching Avatar: The Last Airbender in its entirety and pretending that Legend of Korra doesn't even exist, thanks to you. That's really the best compliment a fellow shitlord like me can offer.
I never wanted to watch this show because I didn’t want to see the characters I grew to care about grow sad and old or dead. Aang, Sokka, and Suki were dead while Katara, Toph, and Zuko were all old and alone. I didn’t want to remember these characters that way. Thanks for giving me 2 hours worth of reasons of why NOT to watch this show.
@@animateddepression are you really saying that 3 beloved characters dying make LOK more mature than a genocide, fascist war, brainwashing dictatorship, child abuse, sexism and innocent deaths? what are you on?
peanut gallery god no. Quotation marks were meant to denote sarcasm. It’s just horrible trash. I tried watching it again last night... the writers make fun of how terrible the show is in-universe and I don’t know if that’s supposed to be funny? It’s insulting.
Tahm Kench On Top well, Aang got sick and died in his 60s due to him spending so much time in the iceberg. We know from interviews Sokka and Suki moved to Republic city, and since they were only 3 years older then aang, they would be in their 70s by the time the show started. Sokka was also known to be in the city council, so either he retired and lived a quiet and peaceful life in the suburbs (Unlikely) or he was killed after his 30s. As Sokka was his usual self during the court case scene, Suki also probably made it as well. Now, what could have killed them in Republic City? Probably the rampant gang problem. Seeing as the city council wouldn't do anything, Sokka and Suki probably lived a happy life before going after the gangs and getting killed doing so. That's just a theory though.
So you're telling me that Mako, who allowed himself to be sexually harassed by Korra, and later pursued that relationship, was able to lightning-bend, also known as the "cold-blooded," or "emotionless" bending...😐🛑
@@hanburgundy4317 , Lightning Bending is 100% about total being totally emotionless that’s why Azula and Ozai were able to perfect Lightning Bending easily whereas characters like Iroh and Zuko were only ever able to redirect the Lightning in Avatar the Last Airbender yet one of the many many retcons in Legend of Whorra.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Wrong-o. Lightning-bending, _as explained by Iroh_ , is about separating positive energy/emotion from negative energy/emotion to create an imbalance between the two. The energies want to come back together, and when they do "come crashing back" it can generate lightning; the bender then focuses and directs this energy. Straight out of ATLA. And Azula was FAR from emotionless lmao I swear, nobody on these videos even watched ATLA.
@@hanburgundy4317 , Azula before Book 3 was totally emotionless, and it was only until the end of Book 3 is whenever she went batshit insane, and she was throwing around lightning randomly and crazly in battle whereas Zuko was perfectly Lightning rediction until Azula threw a lighting bending attack at Katara, so yes people that are totally emotionless is easier for them to control Lightning than people like Zuko that didn’t know how to perfectly control lighting until the events of the Dark Horse comics is whenever Zuko learned Lighting Bending, and considering that Bryke and Mike doesn’t consider the Dark Horse comics as canon to main Avatar the Last Airbender series I don’t care about any Western entertainment nowadays.
Wait, the accusation of Mako being a cheater and a terrible boyfriend is widely undeserved. Hell, I'm sure he is so hated because he's the only character who, at the beginning of the show at least, calls Korra on her bullshit. Let's recap, shall we: Korra kissed Mako while knowing he was in another relationship. He pushed her away. He later started developing feelings for her and when he realized her it, he broke up with Asami. No cheating there. Best course of action one can take really. Then, when he (rightfully) doubted Korra for trusting Unalaq and Varrick, she went to his office and...just fucking destroyed it (domestic violence you all)! She breaks up with him in the process. He then told Asami and she kissed him. No cheating there. Clearly the relationship is over. The bulging relationship with Asami is ended quickly when Korra comes back, jumps on him and kisses him. Ending his relationship with Asami So no, Mako never cheated. (I might be wrong I only watched the show once). He just was unlucky enough to have Korra fall for him and repeatedly break his relationships up XD He never even initiated any of the kisses I mentionned. So, to summarise: Korra broke Mako and Asami up to supposedly go out with him, beat him up, treated him like shit and finally broke up with him. Then she ended up going out with his now single girlfriend. Isn't there something wrong there? Sounds like Korra is either abusive or completely manipulative...
Slight correction (to a 9 month old comment, I know), but when Korra trashed his workspace in season 2, _Mako_ broke up with her--not the other way around. I almost cheered when he did that. Unfortunately he later inexplicably became spineless and didn't tell conveniently amnesiac Korra that they'd broken up already. Was it out of fear of abusive retaliation, or out of bad writing? I believe the phrase "conveniently amnesiac Korra" answers _that_ question.
Just realised something : - Aang : cannot(at least in the eyes of Avatar Yan Chen) abide to the teachings of the monk and detach himself from the world because his duty is to the world primarily, hence the whole "have to kill the firelord if not for energybending" - Zaheer : Everything he does is for the world's sake, for the people, what he believes to be right for humanity has a whole, but can still somehow follow Guru Lahima's steps and detach himself and fly because why not
Kind of like how Aang is supposed to have to give up his worldly attachments to attain the Avatar State, but he doesn't and instead just gets it for free after being poked by a rock? Like how Aang marries Katara and has a family, but can still access the Avatar State? Funny how everything Aang does is right, but everything Korra does is wrong - even if Aang does it first.
@@hanburgundy4317 Except Aang's attachment to Katara prevented him from entering the Avatar state because she was almost literally everything for him, he was more preoccupied with saving her than anything. Aang doesn't get the avatar state for free after being poked by a rock, he had already done what he needed to achieve the avatar state in season 2, but Azula blocked his chakra at the end of season 2. The shock with the rock allowed him back to go in the avatar state. It is also important to notice that the Avatar State in the fight with Ozai isn't a controled avatar state, so it was something that Aang was supposed to be capable of since episode 1 anyways. Was the rock thing convenient? Yes. Was it incoherent with the world's lore? No.
@@LioTangg But Aang _didn't_ do everything he needed; he didn't let go of his worldly attachments - he never let go of Katara. And IDK, I disagree; from how it was showcased in the finale, Aang could enter and leave the Avatar State at will once he got poked by the rock - it wasn't just his former lives taking over anymore, but _Aang_ controlling the AS for the first time. IDK, maybe I read too much into it and he never mastered the ability lol
@@hanburgundy4317 I don't know where you got this idea from: in ATLA we see that avatar Roku had a wife and children and yet he was able to master the avatar state and fullfill his duties. What the guru stated, which was later reinforced by Avatar Yangchen in the finale, so It's not just an interpretation (and Is still again reinforced in later comics) is that Aang shouldn't let his attachments or needs go over his duties: which Is exactly what he does next when he "Empire strikes back" to save Katara, which ended with him dead and the avatar cycle broken (only saved thanks to Katara's caring and her Spirit water). I don't really see what your point Is here, since all of this Is explicitly in the series.
"There are so many things in this show that start off seemingly so innocently that pay off with such depth." YES. That's something that I loved so much about ATLA, that wasn't in LOK.
Because of E;R's praise of Aaron Ehasz and explaining how he was a vital element to ATLA's success and his absence for Korra being a main shift in quality from great to bad, I looked up his work, saw he was the main guy for Dragon Prince; a show I initially dismissed upon seeing trailers. Gave it a watch, and it legitimately felt more like ATLA than the canonical sequel. The fantastic imagination, the creativity, the good character interactions, the great characters, you even have early GOT elements with courtly intrigue and assassinations for season 2 and early season 3. They even have Koh's VA as a primary protagonist and his voice is like potato chips, I cant get enough of it. TL;DR - E;R was right, Aaron Ehasz is the reason ATLA was good and his absence in Korra shows.
Ajohnymous does Koes VA voice somebody besides Aravos? Also It’s great how Sokkas VA plays Callum who is kinda Sokka’s opposite in that he loves magic and finds wonder in it compared to Sokka who’s a skeptic and more of a science person. I also like Callum and Raylas relationship, even though it develops earlier on it feels more natural and their reactions when telling people they’re an item is goofy in a cute coupley kind of way.
@@thetraveler7368 So Erik Dellums, the VA for Koh and Aravos, ALSO voices Nazir from Skyrim- the redguard in the Dark Brotherhood! I didn't even realize it until I read it, then thought about Nazir doing a deep, calm and scary voice. As for Callum, he is definitely in many ways the opposite of Sokka, yet also very similar. Callum as you said loves magic and finds in interesting, more optimistic and is less physically capable while Sokka was a warrior of the water tribe and eventual master swordsman, but both are leaders, planners, very creative in problem solving. I think they would be best friends who argued a bit about magic and its merits, what it means to be a man, and laugh about how they both like women who are strong, capable warriors while both them and their love interests are pretty goofy but their partners are generally more serious and combat focused. I also love Callum and Rayla's relationship. They both fit each other in many ways and are complimentary to each other, supportive of the other when they feel like they aren't being a good assassin or having no elemental link to perform magic but encourage them to be themselves, being silly and fun in their calm moments but able to solve problems that the other cant during a crises. They're as cute as they are healthy and functional. Korra is an inherently awful person and even with Asami in the comics, shes awful towards her parents when they supported her decision to be with Asami but said to be careful as others might be bigots. Korra was also abusive to Mako and Bolin, using them more often than being a good partner. Ehasz has a good understanding on relationships and what makes them work, while Brike have a 70/30 chance on having a relationship start realistically or pulled right from the ether like Asami and then make it unpleasant afterwards.
Ajohnymous everything you said is Spot On! I have so many issues with LoK as a series let alone Korra as a character. I’m looking forward to the next season of DP so, so much. We are only up to S3 and I’m looking forward to seeing how DP ends. My only critique is the animation style they went with but that’s more of a personal preference and I ignore it because DP is just that Good.
Ngl The Dragon Prince comes pretty close to A:TLA (probably the closest in a post-Avatar tv landscape). However I do have some issues with the show. The world is a bit too standard fantasy-ish and no where as interesting as A:TLA, There are some really dumb scenes (the scene where Virren forces the soldiers who refused to fight against the elves to wear a “badge of shame.” is such blatant parallelism towards the treatment of Jews in Nazi Germany it’s actually hilarious) and the show would look way better in 2D. However, it’s more than made up for through its interesting story and great characters. You can tell that Ehasz and his team put a lot of love and care in the Dragon Prince. I can’t wait for the next few seasons and hope they don’t drop the ball like Bryke did with the first two seasons of Korra. TL;DR The Dragon Prince is really good but my minor issues with the show sort of bog it down from being a masterpiece for me personally.
Korrasami pisses me off. Close friends makes much much much much more sense but now I can see that the lack of good writers gave us the most mediocre and lack luster sequel ever.
As a woman of colour who is a black belt in karate I can strongly say I do not find kora anywhere near as inspirational or relatable than any of the original cast. As I child I deluded myself I could be a bender and found the show inspirational. I repeatedly dropped knorra and completely gave up somewhere around season 3
powerstar 2028+ How you gonna learn if you don’t listen to professionals kid? Why did you even comment though. You sound exactly like Korra, Bitch don’t wanna wanna learn and is stupid
katara is a much better female character took the lead when needed, loving, and strong willed. she had flaws but they showed she was human that could make mistakes and learn. or even when she found her mother's killer she let him go but said she would never forgive. awsome and human. not like " deal with it" avatar
The part where she forgive the man who murdered her mom and not killing, really pissed me off! It's stupid and immoral! Justice was need to be done, you don't have mercy for murders and they need to be punished. "Oh, but he has mom too.." , yeah and it still didn't prevent from killing other people's moms, and apparently evil people have relatives too, big shocking surprise. P.S. Shame, E;R is antisemitic Alt Right who can't tell leftie Jews from right wing Jews....
Bruh that scene with zuko and iroh... zuko legit waited patiently, letting his uncle rest. Expecting the worst when he woke up. That patience, accountability, and respect... lok had zero moments like this. Atla was filled with it.
Seeing Iroh forgiving Zuko almost made me cry and I didn't even need to see the build up
Almost :) ? I cry a little god damn it.
Still tear up after seeing this comment. Goddamn you
Same
If you can display enough relationship context, character dynamic and personal growth to make a guy tear up in 21 seconds.
You are a good writer, or manipulator. Either works.
I teared up a little at that part when he showed it tbh
Iroh is too pure for this world.
Huh literally
Tawny Monarch I agree
leaves from the vine, falling so slow
It wasnt that Iroh was always pure, but that he realized that the path the fire nation was taking was the immoral one. He even had to lose his only son in order to come to that realization. Iroh is not pure or perfect, but a person who is wise due to self-reflection.
iroh reminds me of a character from fire emblem6 honestly, just that that guy barely had any presence
the better question is.
How can you still bend metal in an era where industrialisation has probably made it too pure to bend
they could intentionally smelt it rougher for convenience of bending. but honestly that's a microscopic fault compared to all the other faults this shit show has
Fair point.
But i didn't buy this knit picking needles for nu'n
i thought it was funny that metal bending was because you are bending the earth thats still inside metal but wouldn't all earthly elements like metal hell even diamonds count as part of earth? or is it just like rocks and dirt that count as earth for bending?
but this begs the question what parts of earth are bendable? since i remember in the last airbender they were able to bend coal so what earthly elements are off limits? cause technically all elements are earthly including water
looks like this series could have used some lorebending
that i a very good question tht the creators will probably never answer.
Imagine destroying a 2000 year-old relic from a race that has gone through a genocide, only leaving a tiny population of them left, and the relic is one of their only gateways to their culture and ancestors, and after destroying it, you antagonize your teacher who has only ever been looking out for you, for "not teaching you well enough," knowing full well that you haven't put in a SMIDGE of effort into learning, even scratching your ass during a meditation lesson. 😐🛑
That's called being an entitled brat lmao 🤣
@@heliel5769 yes,she is such a brat,somehow 20 yo korra is more of a brat than 12yo aang or any if tenzins kids
@Joshua West exactly! Didnt she think about the next avatar? How Is the next avatar gonna learn her spiritual self with only one past life? One snobby sociopathic past life? How would you learn from that?
And she destroyed it with firebending. ffs
@@BosanskaSarma ...Oh no, you’re right. Ouch. Ouch.
Remember when Aang had his hopes shattered after coming upon the bleached skeleton of his former teacher, and only friend, in his completely obliterated former home, and he was so traumatized it sent him into a fit of rage that endangered his only remaining friends and one had to risk her life to try and calm him down?
Remember when Ba Sing Se, the supposed safe haven for the Aang's group, turned out to be a horrific dictatorship run by a shadow government which used torture and hypnosis to keep its citizens in fear and order, while a puppet monarch sat unaware of said horrors? Then Jet, a former 'ally' of Aang was kidnapped and hypnotized, then forced to fight and was struck down. Then, when told he was going to be okay, Toph said "I can feel when people are lying," and the gang had to face the fact that a man had just died who they very personally knew?
Remember Azula's sudden promotion to leader of the Fire Nation, followed by her quick and sorrowful fall into a state of complete psychopathic madness, through which she lost her aides, allies, and only friends, and was haunted by memories of her mother? How haunting her jarring change in appearance and demeanor was, how horrifying she was when at her very lowest point?
Oh yeah, not to mention the literal slave ship, the towns oppressed by Fire Benders, Zuko's rejection whenever he tried to show kindness, all the sacrifices made for the good of the cause(i.e. Yue's moon transformation), the face-stealing demon, or the Aapa abusing carnival
But no guys, Korra is very mature, they have lesbians and punchy woman!!1!!1!
I think they said it was mature simply because it had some horribly planned out and explained political ideologies.
Yeah this is that's the theme these days
Azula and toph are so well written its unbelievable
Azula possibly the one of best fire benders in fire nation history out classed everyone around her.
Toph being the same but as a earth bender
Both OP female character written perfectly
AHarice
Exactly. They never cried in every single situation they found themselves hopefully against.
Like, Azula only cried at the end because she had finally snapped, and Toph was 12, so any crying tears she had was more of a child thing in general, which makes sense.
I mean, they had fleshed out and they had hardships they had to go through. Katara never cried because Pakku refused to teach her. No, she actually showed him that she wouldn’t back down, and eventually became his student and then a water bending master.
I mean, these girls WORKED for their powers, and Korra just flew right on by.
I just rewatched Avatar again and it blows my mind that anyone wouldn't call it "dark" or "mature" or "complex" or think that Korra is the better show.
Funny thing is, knowing Korra, she most likely dumped Asami in less than a year, and claimed the whole relationship was "experimental", thus ruining their relationship as friends forever.
But then through the power of PLOT, they become friends again.
That would be as bad for Bryke as it was for Jason Rothenberg for killing the "Clexa" ship on CW's *The 100.*
Do you really think the writers would be above that?
I thought the same. It's good they ended the show where it did. Well they would never have had the guts and courage to break the characters up or have her go back to a man. In tv thats still a no no
I agree. Another thing that confused me about this ship was that Korra and Asami really seemed to be polar opposites of one another. Asami was more of an calm, elegant, introverted character who would rather be at home running her company and trying to invent new things. Korra is shown to be a hotheaded and crude individual who rather go on an adventure and seems the type to die young. Sexuality aside, there really seems to be no reason why they would end up together.
Lol I seriously can see Korra as the type to be incapable of staying in a relationship for anything over a few months.
I lost it when Korra destroyed her link to the other avatars. The next Avatar only has her;
A whiny unlearning single person comapred to an army of elderly wise teachers with knowledge that span throughout ages.
It's like destroying every art museum and filling it with crayon drawings of vaginas.
XDDD It‘s so funny, but at the same time so sad.
New avatar: OMG I'm actually in the spirit realm talking to an avatar of old!
Korra: That's right kid.
New Avatar: I read so much about you- us! So where's all the others? I kinda wanted to talk with Aang about his journey, and the avatars before him too.
Korra: Ummm.....Yeah.... Ya see kid I kinda had to sacrifice all of them to get my powers back.
New Avatar: Um. Okay... but I'm sure you must've spent a lot of time asking them questions and learning a lot from them right? Right?
BlackRaptorJesus 115 that makes me sad 😔
LATO :v me, too :(
yes. this is the essence of "modern art".
Sokka is the ultimate badass character. He tamed wild beasts, learned new cultures, found information, participated in poetry readings, organized, led, and fought in battles and skirmishes, learned swordsmanship from a master and martial arts from a warrior culture, and stood toe-to-toe in conflicts fully governed by benders - all as a nonbender. His character is incredible.
Bolin is nothing.
I grew up watching Avatar, and while I always loved Sokka as a character and a member of the team, I recently started loving and appreciating him much more when I rewatched.
Sokka is really amazing! He's not only a physical fighter, but a cunning warrior. In media and especially video games, warriors are often portrayed as simple-minded boors who will punch the mob you just turned into a sheep, even though damage will interrupt the spell. But Sokka is smart, creative and quick, and he knows how to use what he's given to his advantage despite not having bending.
I also love that the show often makes a point in showing the characters' traits as good AND bad, depending on the situation, and the solution for that is to be with other people who balance that out. And Sokka is not only no exception, but the show loves to play with that balance about his character too.
@@glanni ikr me too
A couple years late but better now than never. The thing about Sokka too is that he starts out as a sexist asshole that the show doesn’t try and paint as good. Sure, he’s obviously a good person but his prejudices are never seen by the show as good. He’s also headstrong and conflicted after being left behind in his mind “with the women and children” despite that being the very reason he was left behind. He doubts himself, he stumbles and falls, and gradually he becomes a better man from it. He picks himself up, dusts himself off, and the show isn’t afraid to make it known, he was integral to ending a CENTURY LONG WAR FOUGHT BY METAHUMANS. Bolín or Korra or Asami or Mako didn’t have to do that stuff, they just had to be better than they were when they started the show. Bolín actually is probably best example of character development they could’ve had if they didn’t make him the butt of the joke… and also just fucking abuse him for laughs
That last line had me dead. Straight to the point 💀
@@glanni that's more on the western side of things because In anime/manga we see a lot of intelligent warriors, even the wacky ones like Dante from Devil May Cry
They put more work in Asami's design than her character. There. I said it.
Having not seen Korra but watching the reviews, I think that applies to the whole show. Looks pretty but is empty and vapid on the inside.
DeeperHavoc why do you phrase the comment like that statement is wrong?
Why do you phrase it like it’s even truly controversial at this point?
The above reply made by Valentin Ward says it all, that’s what they did with Asami was a small, in Universe nod, to what the people who thought that this way of making a more mature sequel to a beloved intellectual property was a good idea, did to the self same sequel
All style, toxic substance
I just did in four words what E;R used ninety minutes to state, then elaborate on
Thank you, people of culture who read replies
The comment above is a man having a existence bruh moment
The only thing this show is good for is porn.
Basically she is only good for hentai
"Katara wasn't a successful character because she was 'independent' of Aang, her brother or her friends. She was a successful character because Aang, her brother, and her friends needed *her* just as much as she needed *them."*
EXACTLY. The best female characters are written like this. Nami is like this. Nico Robin is like this.
The Major Yes, I was thinking about that speech too. Or Iroh’s speech to Toph about how there is nothing wrong with someone who loves you wanting to help you.
Basically why Luffy is the best Shōnen protagonist.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Edward Elric? Who dat?
@@chinji3805 He's alright. He's certainly got strong characterization, though Luffy is arguably as well written.
That’s a great way to put it!
One Piece is a great example of showing how a character can find strength through their relationships with others. As strong as each of the members of the crew are on their own, their individual strengths really shine when their around others. For instance, Luffy is pure determination and will power, something that is MAJOR in the OP world- but his kindness and likeness doesn’t come from him just being strong. He looks for strength in his crew- and their safety and happiness even rivals his own ambitions. They need him as a captain and he needs them to do everything he can’t do on his own. Zoro has always been a force to be reckoned with, had intense self-discipline, and was all-around a total badass. But without the crew, he would have never demonstrated his own leadership skills, challenged himself in more ways than physically, or even gotten as far as he did from his own stupidity. While Sanji can fight and cook and usually ends up gathering important information, he’s admired by the crew for his kindness/dedication to those he cares about- but without them, Sanji would have sacrificed his own dreams, future, and potential for that exact reason. Nami is responsible and self serving, but needs support from others in times of crisis just as much as they need her for direction and chiding and to keep them in place. Usopp is a storyteller and a coward, but he pushes himself to be braver and stronger to earn the relationships he’s gained. Chopper dreams of curing the world of sickness and making it a better place, but he needs proper guidance to support and encourage him that it’s worth it, despite everything he’s been through. Robin has learned to run and kill and read ancient texts, but it’s with others that she’s able to be happy while doing it, and find a purpose in her own actions. It goes on and on like that honestly. Everyone gets their best qualities from each other.
And I think that’s the problem with overblowing the whole “independent woman” thing.
Nowadays, it’s seen as a stereotype for women to rely on others. We’re being told that fighting with a one-person army is MORE admirable and ‘cool’ than fighting with the help of others or even just relying on them for basic help. Don’t get me wrong, finding strength in yourself IS cool and IS admirable. You can’t disagree with that. But it just isn’t SUPERIOR.
Like, aren’t basic human connections a pivotal thing in everyone’s life?
Like, which would you rather prefer?
A) A character who’s developed or is looking for individual strength, but is also respectful and appreciative of the help they can get from others and the bonds that they build. They’ve learned to find meaning/lessons in the words and actions of others, and use it to better themselves.
Or
B) A character who believes that have individual strength, pushes away and disrespects others, and refuses to learn anything from the backlash because of their own pride. They attack the ones who try to help them, don’t create any equal/meaningful bonds, and don’t learn anything from others because of their desperate need prove them wrong.
That whole statement of needing others as much as they need you is just the truest thing.
Asami was such a non-character devoid of any impact that I honestly didn't take any romantic implications from the hand hold at the end of season 4. I was like "oh, so Korra is taking Asami into the spirit world. maybe the spirits can give her a fucking soul."
Arch Deacon Evilsidekek hahaha
I actually laughed out loud
GD thank you, just thank you man
"oh, so Korra is taking Asami into the spirit world. maybe the spirits can give her a fucking soul."
Gawd Dayum!
Shots fired!
Learning that Aaron Ehasz made such a huge impact on ATLA’s greatness and how LOK was a big flop mainly because of his absence makes me really concerned for the live action remake of ATLA, since he won’t be apart of it.😬
Watch "The Dragon Prince", it got 3 seasons on netflix at the moment and there are at least 3 more to come. Aaron Ehasz wrote it and you will feel at home, trust me.
People always talk about how Toph was supposed to be a dude but no one talks about how it was Aaron Ehasz who suggested that Toph be a small girl instead.
TDP IS AWSOME, sure the gays are dead, but they died having an actual relationship, also love triangle (kinda) made the journey to raylumm beautiful
@@nicholasfrenken8814 I really want to like the Dragon Prince and while it has its moment it just falls flat for me compared to ATLA. I really like Callum and Rayla but oh my god I can't stand how stupid the adults are in The Dragon Prince so Ezran can be really mature for his age. It's like all the adults have the brain of a 5 year old and the magic system is just kind of meh. We are told that Dark magic is bad but that's kind of the only reason we get. We don't get a reason as to why it's bad. It's making me think that ATLA's greatness was a happy accident more than anything. But I do agree that the Dragon Prince has more going for it than Korra ever had 🤷🏻♀️
@@omdhdk agreed on all this mate, its good but not A:TLA level, but it fills u better then korra. Also dark magic is physicaly bad as it corrupts you while morality wise i think its ok. Its only called dark cause elves are snobish af, and they think using magic via dead animals is anu differnt from hunting. Honestly screw those elves
"The creator said it is Canon in their TUMBLR" Everything makes sense now...
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It doesn't
It’s cannon they have it in the comics that they said are canon
@@d0odleb0p83 screw the comics
So brave... couldn't have done it on the show no that would be cowardly... He put it on his tumbler... and it was in the comics oooooooooo move over guy who stood up to tanks in Tiananmen square for what he believed in! The people who had the spine to put what they wanted on tumbler and comics (which not many people who watched it will read) are the real brave people!
The idea of LOK being “darker” and “more mature” than ATLA is just simply not true. Like, what the fudge. ATLA even had a scene that implied Sokka and Suki had sex.
Wait you mean in the episode where Zuko has an adventure with Katara!?
Chris P. Absolutely. That entire episode is very dark actually. The whole “adventure” is her trying to find the man who kills her mom so she can either leave him within an inch of his life or kill him. But yeah Sokka has his tent set up for a suggestive night.
Lmao I had forgotten about that
I liked the episode where Azula, Zuko, Ty Lee, and May go to that fire nation party and you finally realize that these people are 15 and the only thing they knew was war, power, and politics and that it psychologically and mentally affected them. They didn’t t even know to interact with people their age and people that didn’t directly relate to the war.
I always wondered if Toph ever sensed what happened in the tent.
They also forgot to mention that at the start of the show Sokka has a misogynist streak but he learns to respect women and see them as equals.
Yeah Sokka was pretty fuckin sexist in the first book lmao... but he learned quick
invinciblemode - Yeah I guess when your girlfriend turns into the freaking moon it helps you learn a lesson or two.
Honestly, I felt Kyoshi Island was his turning point.
@@chuknukbubs6322 thats rough buddy
@@cinnamoncat8950 😆
The scene where Iroh forgives Zuko is still the best scene in both these shows.
Either that or irohs scene at the end of tales of ba sing se
NO!!! Katara healing Aang at the end of season 2 was so much better.
For me, what REALLY pissed me off about the Legend of Korra was that they degraded bending to basic punches and kicks, and a spin once in a while. In ATLA, EVERY movement meant to bend that character’s respective element was very specific, and seeing that motion you could assume what it was meant to do, and a lot of those motions were inspired by real-life martial arts.
Plus, every single bender also had their own style of bending different than someone else’s. In ATLA, bending is established as an art and very personal to the individual.
In LOK, the writers shit on all of this. It pissed me off, as someone who’s favorite aspect of the series is the sheer amount of thought that went into the world building, character development, and bending. It’s one of the sole reasons I don’t like this show.
I've been saying this since DAY ONE. THANK YOU
Honestly preach I felt this so hard and I’m so angry at TLOk for even existing
I don’t even consider it canon
What a stab in the back this show is
it felt like they threw everything beautiful about this series away and lit it on fire
Right? I’m so glad people agree with me on this.
In ATLA, we are literally shown this in THE FIRST EPISODES. Back when Katara couldn’t waterbend, and Aang was captured by Zuko and then rescued by Katara and Sokka, she accidentally freezes Sokka’s feet to the ship because she throws her arms the wrong way in an attempt to ward off their attackers. In response, she turns around, and does the same motion, freezing the fire nation soldiers instead of her brother, this time.
That was the most obvious instance, which there are several more of in ATLA, but in LOK, this is practically nonexistent. In the first seconds of LOK, we see a practical baby bend three out of the four elements right out of the gate, showing practical mastery in the three. While Aang (regarded as a prodigy in bending) took YEARS to master even one element, and was forced to rush the others.
In my opinion, even if fans of the series love to say that LOK only looks worse because it follows such a masterpiece, the creators just overall shit on such a wonderful series. They turned the ATLA worldbuilding and universe into some sort of perverted steampunk Americanized technological world, ruined the religion and spirituality present in the series, ruined the lore on the Avatar and its cycle, all in favor of a romantic romcom-ish show that happens to have people who bend elements, and favors overpowered characters that even with the most powerful ability in that world (the Avatar State), still manages to lose fights for the sole reason that shes a girl and needs a big, strong man to finish fights for her.
And don’t even get me started on the disrespect against Tenzin and airbending in general
LOK fans: We have ATLA at home!
ATLA at home: LOK
Another thing that pissed me off is that they completely erased the long-term effects of the war, and acted like the war never happened. The biggest offender of this is how the Spirit world just DECIDED to restore the balance in the elements, and give a ton of random nonbenders airbending, which overall is a horrible plot device, is really just a way to insert the antagonist into that season, and has a TON of plot holes. For example, why then? Why not after the genocide, while Aang was still in the ice? It could have saved him so much grief, even knowing that at least he wasn’t the ONLY airbender left, but instead it happens centuries in the future? WHY?
This decision is a lame attempt on the writers’ part, and maybe it wouldn’t have been so bad if they expanded on the culture and very prevalent spirituality that is described over and over again in ATLA (in fact, it’s a huge part of Aang’s character and his development), but instead they just shit all over it.
I honestly shouldn’t expect much from a show that shows the AVATAR destroying one of the only ancient artifacts left from the genocide, one of the only things Tenzin has to train his children and continue the culture of the Air Nomads, just because SHE was inconvenienced because she skill wasn’t delivered to her on a silver platter. Then the writers decide that she doesn’t have to face the consequences of her actions, and continues to learn airbending, which is later also given to her on a silver platter.
I am DONE with Korra’s arrogance and sheer ignorance on practically everything an Avatar needs to have, without exception, and it weren’t for the plot of the show, it would be pretty easy to turn her into an evil Avatar. Honestly, an evil Avatar would’ve fit her character a lot more, and would have made for a good redemption story where she learns to let go of her privilege, arrogance, etc in favor of being the Avatar she is supposed and needed to be.
It’d be nice if Aang just had a small statue in a water fountain, in a little park.
That’d actually be in character for him.
Knowing Aang, he'd just probably prefer having a statue of Appa and Momo instead
@@reinhardtsanchez7952 and all his friends and teachers tbh, we all know he'd be the type of dude who recognises he never would have succeeded without the help of them and appreciates them for that.
Some Guy since you all are so dense. let me explain it. the statue doesn’t represent what the ozai statue did, a powerful, godlike entity; glorifying someone. it represents republic city, much like how no one really knows who the statue of liberty is. it doesn’t matter. it doesn’t represent that. it (is supposed to)represent(s) america, american values.
flamesblades 4567
But it’s very much a statue OF AANG. It glorifies him as a deific figure.
Some Guy it is. but the statue’s purpose isn’t that to glorify aang. it’s to symbolize republic city. it didn’t get built until republic city was built.
Originally, Asami was supposed to be a villain like her dad and was only using Mako to get information. That would have been a better storyline.
khfan4life365 yeah, it's what she was originally supposed to be but it didn't turn out that way.
That would have made the show a lot better.
That's what I assumed her to be when she was first introduced. I thought it'd be something like an impoverished firebender stuck being a cockfighting animal for the non-bender masses' entertainment (while also juggling an industrial job), being preyed upon by a manipulative and rich daddy's girl with lots of toys and hatred for the 'oppressive benders'. She turned out to be a very fanfiction-like 'good guy' that can do no wrong and is always in the right corner.
"That would have made TLOK better"
Yeah, no. That would only give SOME merit of why she is a character and not a walking plot device. Is like saying "If this character said A instead of B, it would improve the show because it makes it better!"
So they split her character...wow
“The only way to redeem the Legend of Korra is to write another series with the good traits of avatar and confirm that korra was in fact not real and just a legend” -my amazing girlfriend
Why not it's really a good idea!
Marry it
Now that's a keeper
MARRY HER!
@@SpideyfanX fun fact, I actually did
Mako: My two exes are dating
Zuko: That's rough buddy
COPIED
Zuko: Thats gay buddy.
They named him Mako in honor of Ihro's voice actor and had him literally turn women gay, and get cucked by them for each other. The level of disrispect is unreal.
I can imagine old Zuko just saying “that’s rough buddy” and Mako just looking at him with pure confusion like “you’re bad at comforting people you know.”
When you're so bad at relationships that both of your exes became lesbian.
They didn't have to prove female characters are strong and likeable. Just look at Toph and Katara. People love them and they didn't get their work done for them by somebody else. They were just badass and cool.
Even Azula was more likeable than Korra, because she had a reason to be an asshole. She was raised by... literally Stalin, while Korra was raised by a stable family, in a stable home, in a stable environment. She has no excuse for being a raging cunt.
Master Blaster Azula is very entertaining and badass, even if there was no reason for her to be an asshole, I'd still like her
It didn't try to prove anything, it's just you trying to retroactively apply obsessive-anti-sjw hyperbole to something that ran from 2012 to 2014.
Yeah but those two were more well-mannered and worked with others well despite the challenges before them, Korra gives no shit if you try to help her at all
Arguably there are more strong female characters in ATLA than male characters:
Katara, Azula, Toph, Mai and Ty lee vs Aang, Sokka and Zuko.
And even though Azula is a bitch and a horrible person she's still one of the most likable characters because of her perceptive personality, being a briliant tactician, smart and charismatic, being strong as fuck and on the other hand socially awkward.
And Korra is just a super strong teenager with a bitchy attitude and bad moods.
Korrasami is the most forced ship asf, and I hate how mako gets shitted on despite the fact it was korra who took the guy from his gf, then for some reason the two began to have "romantic" relationship despite korra was the aggressor and they only have friendly hints than lesbian hints.
Cool Goyim Okay, agreed, but Mako got shitted on for taking advantage of Korra's amnesia to keep getting that Avatar puss after breaking up.
Oong The Last Airbender
Because he lied about their fight, purposefully trying to avoid reminding her that they broke up? The point isn't that she remembered, it's that he tried to weasel out of it and I already said I agree that Korra and Asami don't belong together.
Adventure Time: hold my beer
the Reverse NTR is off the charts
@@cruzwindu777deffsff4 hey at least lesbian thing in adventure time was "developed" for many years, despite Finn is the reason bubblegum and Marceline started to talk to each others again, but I dont think they ever care about that
“I forgot someone” is the perfect way to describe Asami. I challenge anyone who loves Asami or Korrasami to think of any one truly meaning full thing she managed to do in 4 seasons.
Turned on her father when it was revealed that he was a villain, kept her business afloat despite subterfuge, created gear and weapons to help Republic City and the "good guys", and be a kickass bitch with a fat ass who shows that non-benders are capable fighters, too.
Asami doesn’t really have much of an identity for herself outside of being used for teen drama, and being Korra’s confidant. Season two almost managed to do something with her and her business.
@@austinjohnsen4430
She wasn't the focus of the show, but was fleshed out enough for a side character (given the limited number of episodes each season). I liked her chemistry with Mako and how they shared a traumatic past; the storyline with her and Hiroshi and his involvement with the Equalists and how he and Asami each dealt with the loss of their wife/mother differently; her friendships with Korra and Bolin; the whole "business" with her business and Varrick and the Triads; I thought she was fun.
@@hanburgundy4317 Yeah, that’s all she was kind of used for was fun. It’s because of her and other factors that we got that love triangle and it’s through her we meet Varrick.
What truly made Asami worthless was Varrick and Zhu Li filling the same role with more charm. For most of the series she was Mako's ex-girlfriend and the fourth member of the team by default. Honestly would have been more interesting if they filled the slot with Kai or one of Tenzen's (female) kids.
"How do you write women so well?"
"I think of a man...and I take away reason and accountability."
That's legit 99% of YA protagonists in a nutshell.
What does YA mean?
@@3HorsemenOfMovingPictures Young Adult
@@razorloboerrol thanks love u
What’s worse is that plus the blandness of obvious self insert characters (e.g. Bella Swan).
Sorry I'm years late, but what movie was that scene from?
#3:Because the Main Character is a Strong Women of color
Me:Katara was a Strong Women of color and she was a WAY BETTER Heroine then Korra could ever wish to be.
I would have watched Legend of Katara
Yes becasue if you're coloured then you obviously get free pass who cares about character, also let's make her a woman so we get extra browny points
YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT
Yeah, why nobody talks about Uh-vatar the fucking comics? Katara is ruined in them also, because hello Bryke. She is nothing but an arm-candy of Aang and doesn't even speak her mind anymore. It's full of "you'll make thd right choice because I believe in you, sweetie!!!!" bullshit.
Katara wasn't a woman of color, just an Eskimo mixed with european like her tribe was designed.
Bruh the Iroh scene literally just brought tears to my eyes. Korra could never do that
Bruh you tellin me you seriously didnt cry when bumi was sent home crying after one of tenzins kids called him boomer
@@vintheguy lmao such shit happened in Korra? (I haven't watched it)
Fish Fishing I finished watching Korra with my girlfriend and after talking about it and criticizing it for an hour, I realized it was such a shitty fucking show with no meaning and power behind it at all.
Have you seen reactions of korasami ...lol...people cry over that shit....but I think its completely asinine
I don't cry at TV ever. I can count the times I've done it on one hand. Iroh scene was one if them.
27 years old…I’m 27 years old and watching Iroh forgive Zuko made want to cry like I did when I was a kid…
good, it woulde been concerning if you didnt; tbh
"Sokka is probably the most intelligent of all of the avatar cast"
*Azula would like to know your location*
Azula didn't invent no submarines or air balloons
tnp. Strategic smarts. She was amazingly choreographed. And forged her power, like kyoshi warriors. She is much smarter than sokkaz
@@saffronjuice well he just drawed a whale and two humans in it😂
@@saffronjuice ah but azula did won over the Dai Li and literally took over Ba Sing Se she knew who held power in that country and took it over
@@marzialalfonzocanada888 Azula was more of the cunning rather than the creative types of smarts. Sokka constantly wanted to create and use the terrain to his advantage.
Azula would literally just melt the terrain to her advantage, and much of her intelligence was geared towards intrigue rather than invention.
The fact that Korra used the avatar state to win a air scooter race is outrages
Right I hate when people say aang always needed to go into the avatar state to win a battle (which is not true of course) But then forget the fact that at least when aang went into the avatar state it was to protect his friends or it was because of emotional distress but then with korra she does it to win a freaking air scooter race
Drippii SHE WHAT!
maybe she wanted to give aang a moment w his grandkids
Korra: *cri* too weak to win race, need aavatar state
@@Oddy37 lmao it was only for like 3 sec
Perfect defense for bad writing, just call the critics homophobes and BIGOTS
Bryke started this trend, which would be picked up by every other troglodyte that wants to shield their shitty stories from criticism.
It definitely says a lot about a creator of a show if they're willing to use that card in response to criticism.
saying tumblrina is kinda cringe bro
@@tamerlane9889 ok tumblrina
@@patana256 cringe
The real canon
Korra borns after 96 years of the 100 year war
4 years later
Korra: I'm the avatar you g-
*Sozin's comet crashes on her*
Roll credits
HOLY SHIT YES
And then it skips to avatar genji
@@mypersonalaccount4934 🤣😂😂👍🏼
😂😂😂
Thank you Sozin you redeemed yourself
*Mako being forceably kissed despite him not specifying that he wanted to be kisses while also trying to figure out his feelings for Korra*
*Fandom hates him for what Korra did to him, even though he was basically forced into that relationship*
Me: I love the smell of double standards in the morning.
Same thing with Aang and Katara, except for different reasons.
This just shows what kind of people is behind the screen watching the show.
Hey, now, you can't forget that Korra trashed and broke his desk in his place of work and that if a male character even dared did half of what she had just done the whole fandom would be ablaze with fury.
But it's okay because she strong independent wahman, abusing men is okay because they're men! Especially if a woman is doing it, then it's empowering...?...!
I hate how my gender is always presented in female leads 🤦 God forbid we get a female lead who's like Katara or Suki or someone...
Oh, oh, and then we get a little joke about tophs daughter that she destroyed the airbenders island or something when tenzin broke up with her. Don't you just love a*b*u*1ve relationships that are made completely okay or are treated like a joke cos women are doing it? Cos I sure don't. Ugh, it's sickening. 🤢
Yeah I don't get why mako is the one who get all the blame.
Ash Carst Aang didn’t force katara. Are you that stupid? Like it was a relationship built over time. 🤣
I wish I had thought about things more critically when I watched this show. I’m glad I was forced to take a film class now
I can't tell if you live in a Democrat-run state or a totalitarian regime.
Same thing.
@William E I thought this 4 part series was a film class.
ya me too I somehow never noticed just how much sokka actually did in the original
669 likes and 6 comments 6669, but I have to ruin that now sorry
"But Legend of Korra has more romance!"
Aang falls in love with Katara, Katara falls in love with Aang. They never let that get in the way of their goals, but rather help each other reach them. They respected each other and grew together.
Korra literally dated the whole main cast, with the exception of Air Daddy because she knew better than to awake the anger of a middle aged woman who fought nail and teeth to lock that 1 in a billion airbending dick.
Oh my gosh you made me lol
Do you think dick bending is a thing in the avatar universe? That’s gotta be some fire sex
Aaron Laughlin BYE
never forget romance Sokka and Yue
Even when Yue died and he already got Suki he still remember her .
When Suki journey with them in dragon .... (i forgot) Sokka became worry of her safety bcs he doesnt want to lose anyone precious again
@@aaronlaughlin2389 it is a thing in the real world. You can bend a flop all over the place.
Aaron also created Toph personality. The original Michael&Bryan idea was that Toph would be just some bulky Earth man. And guess what - in the Korra characters are mostly bulky guys. So, don't overlook "Head Writer" role he did.
There’s nothing wrong with Korra being a bad person at the beginning of the show. Aang was an irresponsible goof who needed to take things seriously. He learned to take responsibility and have confidence in his abilities. Starting with an impulsive, yet talented hothead is a good place to start for a hero’s journey. They just don’t have her learn the right lessons or grow in a satisfying way.
The difference is self awareness. Aang is constantly blamed for abandoning his duty and disappearing for 100 years. Meanwhile, Korra shits on everyone's heads constantly and is praised for that - scrap "praised", at the end it always turns out that she was right all along.
GGWP Exactly. The narrative handles the morality of the show very poorly.
Hell remember when Aang tried learning Firebending early after Jeong Jeong told him he wasn't ready and as a result he burned Katara accidentally and after getting scolded by Sokka and fighting Zhao, Aang took responsibility by deciding to never Firebend again(as stupid as that was since he needed it) and keep studying water and earth like Jeong Jeong advised him to
After that did he learned Firebending, but from a master who understood how it was to like to mess up and want to take responsibility for his actions and change which is Zuko who betrayed his uncle who treated him like a son (hurting someone you love narrative)
You make it sound like Korra might have been a decent story had they done that better. But to do that there was an infinite amount of problems to fix first. Horrible show, all around. Not even close to being good storytelling.
KringleRulez77 if it’s so bad how bout you try to write a show you piece of shit
Whoah, whoah, whoah there! Are you saying Katara was a great character because, while she was strong, she was flawed, had moral dilemmas, and challenges to overcome, instead of being some overpowered demigod who, sadly has to walk amongst us mere mortals? Come on now! That is the sexist talk of the PATRIARCHY! You need to check some of that privilege! (I am being completely sarcastic, btw).
pheonixshaman. That's alright. Everyone with common sense noticed that
I miss Katara. :(
no offense gay boy but try executing matriachy or equality when you become president
Senal Shanoy And watch society fall down starting with men the builders losing interest as society values them less.
We need kappa emote for yt.
You neglected to explain that Sokka could do all those badass things without being a Gary Stu, his character seems genuine, flaws included.
He did address that from 12:48 to 15:33.
GO BOOMERANG!
...now comeback boomerang...
_Spoilers_
Not going to lie. Him losing his boomerang was one of the saddest moments in the show. I was lowkey hoping it would return in Korra.
@@lunamaster123 I cried when he lost his sword
The Korra fanbase is the prime example of "the industrial revolution and it's consequences"
"the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the avatar universe"
When I first saw the ending of LoK, I didn’t get a whole lesbian relationship vibe. I just got a BFF vibe between the two. The internet had to tell me about it and I wasn’t very impressed by it from how much it was talked about.
I felt the exact same way. When I watched the series with my wife, even she was thrown off by the whole "they were lesbians at the end"
She told me that everything they did were things that women typically do. They hug. They talk. They laugh. They blush when complimented. They were good friends at best.
When I watched it and saw the hand holding, I just thought it was a touching moment where the two despite all their troubles were able to be friends and go onto many adventures together.
It wasn't until I was discussing the show with a friend when they said "Nah, man. They were lesbians." and I had to take a moment to think about it and ask "What?" and they went on to tell me how all of Tumblr was saying they were gay through the entire show's run time.
Good things in ALoK:
Tenzin
Tenzin
Tenzin
Tenzin
Tenzin
Tenzin
Tenzin' kids were kinda fine
Tenzin
Tenzin
Tenzin
Tenzin
Lin
Tenzin
Tenzin
Bad things in Alok:
Can't write because of character limitation
zgram zhnisk Lin and Tenzin were the best characters in my opinion too 😁
Bumi and Kya were pretty cool too, IMO. Also their relationship and conversations with each other seemed pretty realistic.
The series would have been a lot better if Tenzin and his family + Lin were the main characters instead of Korra's gang
The soundtrack is good
Zaheer and his crew i say again his crew and amon were cool too.they fit in just as well as the assasins who were rookie enough to go against iroh and actually had a backstory😂👌in ATLA. They killed jet family and were a good song band (vouch from iroh💯)
There's no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se
Breaking news: A man steals a plane and flies to Bermuda Triangle because he thinks it will help him go to Ba Sing Se in Avatar, gets arrested
@Captain Wyvern I am honored to accept his invitation (even though I've never seen Korra lol)
There is no sequel series within the walls
There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se.
There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se.
There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se.
There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se.
There is no Legend of Korra in Ba Sing Se.
Becky Liu hi I’m joo Dee and there is no legend of Korra in ba sing se
Not having Aaron Ehasz and the original staff was primarily why LOK had so many problems, but a symptom of this that is another huge issue is that they TRY to be more adult and edgy. ATLA didn't try, they just told a good story. Any story that TRIES to be edgy or mature ends up forcing it and causing problem after problem if it doesn't completely destroy the story.
I'm so tired of shows and movies trying to be something, instead of telling a good story. I completely agree to your comment, trying to be unreasonably edgy (or nihilistically subversive in many cases) always ends in a worse story.
About Korrasami.
I'm not salty that they're canon. But it still feels somewhat forced. Like, there is absolutely NO indication of them swinging both sides. I mean, yeah, they actually were nice to each other after they stopped bitching about Mako. And if that is enough to justify them getting together at the end, then this is not a "win" for gay relationships. That's like saying, all girls who are nice to other girls are potentially gay for them. Like ?????
It doesn't work like that for me or any of my gay/bi friends.
Mind you this _is_ the audience that immediately depict any guy characters who are remotely involved with each other as life partners, so it's possible that they are just that brand of fetishists.
@@firstLast-jw7bm The lesbian domestic violence thing is a myth and has been debunked so many times
It feels forced cause it makes absolutly no sense and dosnt interact with the world. How many gay couples are introduced at that point? In both series. The answer shows, that in this world, just a generation away from ancient asia (china), homosexuality or bisexuality is either "not a thing" or "not accept" and handled like in real history.
So, when one of the main characters would get romantic feelings towards that direction - wouldnt you expect SOME development? Some time spend on that? Inner thoughts, doubts? A very vulnerable approach or outing?
When they both come out at the very same time at that very exposed spot - one of them the Avatar who already lived thousands of times in both genders and seems not to had that desire until now - wouldnt you expect the environment to react? Especially in a society so riddled and reformed?
But no, there is no sign of this incoming (even if those guys claim we are just to idiotic to see the hints) if you dont take any sign of friendship and care as sexual attraction (which is so pre-adult that it may belong into a children series...). There is no stand of society, no sexual revolution in it. It is forced cause it is what it is - one scene throwing not only a lifechanger for two "characters" in but also flip the table of society and the builded world around them without any reaction or sign before it happens.
Honestly i think they wanted to show the deep friendship and thankfullness, perhaps platonic love for the care Korra got by Asami - just to see extatic and hysteric reactions by a lot of "progressiv livestreamers" and LGBTQ adorers and reacted in the most greedy way. And like in Star Wars or MTG or any other "old school" entertainment franchise they reacted as if they are gods and we are unworthy to walk with those who pray to them.
Only one time i would love to see someone stepping down the SJW shrine and say: sry people, yeah we ruined it because we loaded it with our ideology and interests. I can see why this is a kick in your ass as the fans who had kept it alive until this point. We are sry. This is kicked out the canon.
Here's my personal take away from the Korra-Asami thing: Yes, throughout the entire show, there isn't a single hint of romance, sexual attraction, whatever. Yet, at the end, they end up together. There HAS been some build up though. The correspondance between them, the bonds they developped while Korra was handicapped. Also, their shared romantic failures with Mako.
The way I understand it goes something like this: The whole story with Mako was bullshit, unnecessary drama for which all three of them were guilty. They were so caught up in superficial bullshit, they weren't in touch with their actual personal feelings. This was a learning experience. Just because someone gets your pants tingly isn't justification enough to devote your life to that person, and certainly not to get angry when a third person is also getting pants-tingles about them. Once this entire affair was over with, they had spent enough time with each other to not need the kind of mask we put up when meeting strangers. They knew each other fairly well, and despite their history, actually still enjoyed each other's company. And so, they kept exchanging, and bonding. And when the time came for Korra to go spend some time in the spirit world, it wasn't so much a question of romance, couples, sex, etc. as we usually see it. It was simply two humans who enjoyed each other's company, one who wanted company to wander through an unknown magical world, and one that like the first one enough to follow them. As for the question "will there be tingly pants?", it can be countered by the question "Is there any actual reason not to?".
So yeah, it was surprising, but I feel it wasn't a total asspull, only about 50% of one. And it was definitely a statement on the subject of "the norms and conventions we all know about love and romance are utter bullshit", which is a narrative that some people will relate to and find perfectly justified, and some others won't and they will think it's bullshit.
That's my point. Is there really such a big difference between friendship and love? I saw this whole affair as questioning that difference.
When I hear people saying “Korra’s more mature thoughhhhh” and then I tell them about the Air Nomad GENOCIDE, and all arguments break down.
It's not really emphasized that much. The third eyed lady's death from LOK was too much I think
@@aid1802 a loving relationship?
@@ulasonal YES GET THESE IMAGES OUTTA MY HEAD
If she was mature this guy would not have made so many videos bashing her.
Ok. No you dont lol. If it is true they most likely mean the overall tone of the show is more mature. The general atmosphere and drama having less comedic value then last airbender. I mean their in the same universe. Saying the airnomad genocide happened in last airbender which automatically means its darker could be said with korra. They're in the same universe its just that there was never really a reason to bring it up.
how to make a "successful" sequel show that everyone "loves"
1- Independent strong woman
2-said woman is lesbian or bi
3- completely disregard any things that happened in the base content.
4- kill off any relations with main character of base content
You almost made me believe that you were saying that for real, but this is so true, it makes the “successful” “prequel everyone loves”
This is literally the batgirl movie
@Mr. Censored Thank you for saying what i left out
People always write off Cinderella when in actual fact her story is about a woman escaping her abusers to find happiness. The Prince isn't even a character.
LMAO You guys didn't even watch the show.
1:31 THANK YOU. AT LAST SOMEONE SAID IT. Why is everyone acting like ATLA was freaking spongebob in comparison to Korra? The story of ATLA takes place during a war and we get to see the devastating consequences.
Bloody hell Iroh was a good character.
Better than the whole Korra series
Bloody hell he was
I mean dude was supportive and chill, but holy shit when he gets serious you can feel the dragon of the west vibes
And also that episode with him commemorating his son is my first feel moment from a show
Also his firebending is bizare and sometimes formidable
The "strong woman of colour" argument is particularly bad because there is no white people in the show. Literally every character is some variation on Asian. Yet despite that everyone loved the Asian characters in TLAB.
[Hi, I’m sorry for this rant. Didn’t’ intended to write so much at the start but it happened. Not really trying to press you on giving me an absolute answer or even one at all. Just tired of the term and its vague bullshit. So I just want to emphasis that it’s nothing personal and I hope I don’t come off as attacking you. Sorry for any incoherence]
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So in this world of ours there exists now The “White’s” and The “Coloured”? How does this make sense?
Why is every other ethnicity except those deemed “white” of which I don’t even know where it exactly ends count into that? What are the criteria needed to be a “PoC”?
Is this line drawn on being someone of the "people of colour" category literally just the colour of your skin or is it “looking European”? Can’t be skin colour since a lot of Asians are more “white” skinned than many of Europeans, and even a substantial amount of Northern Europeans, so that can’t be it right? But it can’t be “looking European” either if one goes by what I perceive to be your perspective here on that. And even if that isn't how you see it then what is
I know the term, I know the etymology and history of it, and if Black people in the North Americas want to designate themselves as such then who the fuck cares, I mean the majority of blacks in the North Americas are of mixed heritage. So it fits in with the way that for example South Africa and certain other African countries use it, where "People of colour" are those of mixed heritage of the Boers and the Bantu (White and the Black), so “Pure Africans” in south Africa aren’t “People of Colour” there.
Which is why blacks in the North Americas would be considered more European or at least not African in a substantial amount of countries in Africa. Both because the sense of blackness that is so strong in the US for example isn’t ubiquitous in Africa at all and that they don’t share the heritage of that of the Americas blacks. As well as them having a lot more European phenotypical traits than contemporary Africans in general, and culture s is one hell of difference, even in the same country it can be a huge divide among different groups. At least they would definitely not be accepted as Africans by a lot of Africans from what I know.
So based on whether one goes with whites are those of European decent, or south Europeans are not "white" either as some argue, then we have between 400-800 Million set against 7.3-6.8 Billion in this unnecessary categorisation. Why is this even a somewhat useful designation to have in common parlance?
We have certain broad racial designations, both because of linguistic heritage and history, but most of all because it does help in certain areas. For example, great example is in medicine, because there is quite a lot medical conditions that are either almost only prevalent, or to a much higher degree present in one “race” then others. But we also have it because we aren’t dumb and can observe and are by nature very tribal. But what does “People of Colour” bring in to the discourse at all if it encompasses everyone except “White people”? As in 6 to 12 percent of the world’s population?
To me it seems like an inculcated term to view the world in power struggle of classes, or at least in the way it’s come to be in western countries. It’s the white against the coloured because they are the minority and eternal victims. The perspective of the myopic white guilt flail-loving ignorance of the NPC masses that leads to the same kind of idea of talking about Asians as minorities even when the context is about for example Chinese (Han) people in China.
The aggregation that comes with a plethora of categories that specifically aren’t based on a dichotomy of word usage makes it murkier for our monkey brains and forces more introspection, which is why having this "White" and the rest who are "Coloured" seems particularly pernicious compared to at least having the 5 broad designations, of which under those broad designations there a whole plethora of ethnicities.
I can’t see who this term helps out except those trying to build and climb the hierarchy in the oppression Olympics in any way when it literally it's just stating none-white except with the added bonus of arbitrarily enforcing in-group alignment of everyone else. And especially in today’s climate of SocJus with academia for the last decades pumping out a perspective history as the white devil having subjugated the world and the “noble savages”, of which all belong into the category of “People of colour”.
I know I’m just asking a lot here from such a seemingly simple thing, so sorry for that, and I would love to get an answer from anyone who wants to give one. Since I just fucking hate this term because of how it’s used without distinction except it being a grouping o 94-87% of the worlds population against the rest, and I try to ask as many as possible whenever it’s brought up to get to the bottom if it.
With Regards
From a complete Autist
Yes. It's an incoherent notion for a cartoon. Actually, it's incoherent in general because skin colour or even race is negligible in the face of culture, wealth, language, and so on. There's no 'representation' or other nonsense. What is unrepresented is social/political sensibilities and culture of non-Americans. Every character fits into the scheme of Americanisms.
@@autizmo655 jesus christ who cares nigga
@@autizmo655 sir autizmo more like King Autizmo, high ruler of Spergtopia
@@LimboN8 Apparently this random fucking nigga since ya responded...... so thanks for the milk-toast warm fuck ya gave, you random nigga.
And how did you know of my hidden truth of being of royal linage..... OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!!!!
Zuko has the greatest redemption arc in the history of redemption arcs. The fact that avatar literally got an official Peabody award for character development was nothing short of deserved.
How I wanted Season 1 to end:
Aang DOES show up (let's face it we wanted to see him anyway), sits with Korra, and lets her express herself. He doesn't restore her bending. At all. Instead, he lets her spill her emotions because at that moment she needed someone to confide in. And who better to confide in than the previous Avatar? After listening, Aang shows his sympathy, but encourages her that there is always another way.
I feel that not only will Korra grow from her old bratty self, but this will also be in character for Aang. (Remember how desperatedly he wanted to end the war without killing Ozai?)
Thus, Aang reassures her that everything will be OK. (Also Mako doesn't show up)
Korra looks up, slightly hopefully, at the dawning sky.
THE END
Sorry for any grammar mistakes.
That's exactly what I thought they were going to do... I think I watched a few more episodes of season two and then gave up completely
And then make korra a non bending avatar, that would be interesting and asami will help cope, setting korasami from an earlier source
Wow, great idea! I really love these bitter-sweet endings! Can I use this for a rewrite of Korra? I don't know when and whether it will be published, since I have other work to do, but still.
@@Kirio_Dorito Of course! It was just an idea of mine, so if you want to use it, go ahead!! I hope you succeed
OR, he could just push her ass wrom the edge and be done with this bulshit.
I remember vividly the moment that turned me completely off from the show in the first season (I dropped it shortly after) was the scene in which Bolin discovers Korra and Mako kissing.
Now we don't know if Bolin has ever had a crush on someone like he had Korra before, but it hits the heart harder if this really was his first love. He's poor as hell, but he goes out and buys the girl he likes flowers because he wants to make her happy and show his feelings.
Then he sees said girl kissing his older brother, whom he adores. In one foul swoop he is betrayed by two people he loves through no fault of his own.
And how does the show handle this? By having Bolin crumple up and run away crying in the most obvious and insulting excuse for comedy I'd seen in a while (at the time). He runs away and when Mako finds him he is in a similar state of drunken comedic crying. Mako even has the gall to pick his crying brother up and sling him over his shoulder like a sack of soggy potatoes in a 'Jesus get a grip bro' way.
It was at that moment that I realised Bryke and the writers had zero respect for practically the only character in the show that I liked. Any depth of feeling was just played for laughs. People he cared about crapped all over him and he had to like it and lump it.
Why? Primarily I think because Bolin was written as comic relief/audience stand-in first and a character second. It was honestly painful to watch.
Lit Brit and don't forget that his "friends" didn't help him when he get abused by that twin girl, even wors they laugh at him
I still liked creepy odd scary twin girl though. Even more when she was scarier crying over him.
true dat
*Y O U G O T T A D E A L W I T H I T*
I know... Bolin and aang's grand son....and the dog were the only characters I liked and seeing bolin betrayed like that made me so mad at korra. And it just made me upset
Korra was not a character. She was specifically written to be the anti-Aang and be a mirror reflection of all of his attributes. Thus, she was only an archetype, never a living, breathing person.
this makes plenty of sense watching the series now. couldn't they write her to face different struggles from aang? keep some good character traits, but replace the naivety of aang with cynicism that gets in her way as the avatar
she's got a head start in other styles of bending, but is weak with spiritual stuff whereas aang could enter the spirit world whenever. but not the actual korra struggles of: "i cant connect to the spirit world, except when its convenient for plot" and "i only struggle with airbending."
for one, she could just be mediocre at all styles of bending, aka she can waterbend, but without any finesse and capability to freeze, etc. or she can tap into the spirit world, but suffers some kind of bending deterioration side effect that she'd have to strengthen by training in both bending and spirit stuff.
nah, handing everything onto a silver platter for korra is more interesting
"Homophobic people saying Korrasami doesn't work" to be fair, most of them also thought Makorra and BolinKorra didn't work either
more like normal people
I like how criticizing anything is seen as looking at it from a different perspective, paying good attention to a show and skillfully pointing out flaws and holes in the plot that make a lot of sense, but when it involves any gay stuff it is super duper homophobic, racist, transphobic, based, redpilled, and fascist, like do these idiots even know I'm a communist? smh.
Anyone in a romantic relationship with Korra wouldn’t work. She’s too violent and narcissistic to be in a real relationship.
I think Korra should stay single tbh
@@foundation806 dead*
Your points just solidify how much of a once in a life time wonder ATLA really was.
@FreakLEL What is it with you and Korra? You're defending that abomination of a show on every comment.
@FreakLEL Do you like Korra because # so relatable?
His "points" just solidify that he either didn't actually watch the show, or just did so with the express purpose of hating it and making a nitpick video. Tell me: has E;R made any _positive_ reviews?
@@hanburgundy4317, he’s praised the original Death Note anime/manga series; he’s praised the original Watchmen comic series; he’s praised the original Avatar the Last Airbender series before Whorra became a series, and he’s praised Steins Gate multiple times in his videos, and E;R just like myself and just about everybody on TH-cam that has had their TH-cam accounts suspended at some point in time all hate SJW entertainment made in Hollywood nowadays, and that’s why I myself and just about everybody that has their TH-cam accounts suspended on here love and praise anime series more often than series being made in Hollywood nowadays because anime studios gives the audiences what they want instead of retconing, pissing off their fanbase, and being assholes to everybody on the Internet that Hollywood actors, producers, executives, etc etc does.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
Praised, yes - made a video with the purpose of praise? Nope. All he does is make negative "review" videos; they get views. People like to sit and listen to other people bitch and nitpick and tear apart movies - that's why videos like these are a dime a dozen on youtube.
Conversely, there a plethora of reviews on youtube that DO praise _The Legend of Korra_ but they don't get anywhere near as many views, comments, or likes - regardless of how in-depth the critique goes or whether it debunks common complaints and criticisms. People just WANT to hate things.
Moreover, ATLA is far from perfect; it is, in the end, still just a cartoon with magic and kung fu. The fact that we can get into deeper messages and wax eloquent about its virtues is a testament to what a cartoon can achieve, but it's not like the same can't be done for LOK and it's not like ATLA isn't still objectively a children's program.
These nitpick reviewers do two things:
1.) Nitpick: give zero credit where credit is due, find fault with EVERYTHING, leave out resolutions to issues to present a false narrative, rudely dismiss and mock.
and
2.) Praise an alternative: if it's STAR WARS, they praise the OG trilogy to mythical, flawless levels and then contrast the focus and claim, "this one doesn't do that,".
It's intellectually dishonest.
Making the main character gay is the best move a producer could pull. Then they don't have to do any work to make their show good. They can just rely on the fanbase to call everyone who criticizes the show homophobic. The more you pander to the SJW crowd, the bigger the voice you have defending your work for absolutely nothing other than having a person of color who is also a gay woman.
'Korra's more mature than Avatar!' Say that to the airbending fart joke.
Right.... like I don't think ATLA's jokes ever hit that low
ATLA literally got an award from the Humane Society on “Appa’s Lost days” because it correctly demonstrated how animals are treated in the circus business and how animals can remember the abuse they were put through if they did not behave( i.e. Appa being scared of fire). If that doesn’t show the maturity and realism of ATLA then idk what will.
Steelypoppy 986 but what confuses me is that what do you all want? how exactly was lok supposed to outdo a fucking war arc? cut it some slack. like y’all hate for no reason. it was targeted at a larger audience, but it couldn’t have been more dark.
raven how can you be more dark and mature THAN A FUCKING WAR ARC. that was the question. spamming war arcs to be edgy isn’t good writing, especially for a continuum lineage narrative.
raven in the 200 years from when roku found out he was the avatar to when korra arrives in republic city., technology changes make sense. instead of thinking about it from like 25 BC to 2009 AD, it was more like 1720 to 1920s. which is a logically jump.
Thank you E;R. I started to feel to hate about the Legend of Whorra characters. Hell the name "Mako" is huge disrespect to the original voice actor of Uncle Iron.
Can we all agree that Legend of Whorra is not Canon?
Yeah how dare they disrespect *U n c l e I r o n*
For uncle Iroh. Yes!
Absolutely. For the sake of preserving everything The Last Airbender established, Legend of Korra must not be canon.
I wish they would retcon this show just like Dragon Ball Super did to DBGT.
Yes
I hate how a$use is used as a joke. Like when Kora forcefully kissed Mako,or when she appeared at his work place and destroyed his desk,or when Lin says she trashed and ruined Air temple island after Tenzin broke up with her,or when Eska was treating Bolin like an animal. It's all played off as a joke because: AbUsE iS fUnNy WhEn ThE aBuSeR iS a WoMaN. I just hate it that when women are abused it's awful,but when men are abused it's funny. I just don't get it.
I just realized Korra sexually assaulted Mako
PATRIARCHY
It bugs me too, why do men thing writing "strong women" means making them act like stereotypical chauvinistic douchebags (think Gaston) but with vaginas. Just get rid of the whole term "strong female character" and call it "well written female character" because people will always associate strength with masculine traits and attitudes, as stupid and nonsensical as I think that is.
and after she broke his desk at his workplace, she CRIED. WHAT DID SHE EXPECT
How will people multiple, if they are afraid to kiss those, whom they like?
Iroh: Muh tea
MY BRAND!
MY CABBAGES!
Lettuce leaf? *munch*
"Leaf me alone, I'm bushed"
RIP Bushy the Bush Spirit
The fire nation did nothing wrong.
Gas the non-benders.
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for firebending children.
Joey Schleter Good to see someone, RED PIL... wait what? ohh camoflage, good one
Bend for the Fireland!
Joey Schleter
#OzaiWasFramed
I always saw Korra as an antihero, works much better that way. Still, while some of the background stories were alright, main plot lines were so bad I stopped watching it a few times before reluctantly coming back with enough hope accumulated.
This show taught me new respect to authors who know when to stop and have the will to do it. It's painful to leave great fictional universes behind, but often it's the best thing you can do as their creator.
You either die as a classic or run long enough to become fanservice.
"You either die a classic or run long enough to become fanservice."
A great summary of my mindset toward these things.
Nop, Mary Sue
It's like Back to the Future; Everyone wants a sequel, but it wouldn't be half as good.
Just look at Star Wars, Korra, Dragonball GT, Dragonball Super, Spongebob, Fairly Oddparents, Family Guy, The Simpsons and hell, even in videogames like StarFox, Halo, Call of Duty, and Assassin's Creed; They all started off great, but look at them now. Some things just don't know when to die.
Ben 10 taught me this
The only way I would've enjoyed her is if she was the butt monkey of the series. Sure, it might still be crap, but seeing that colossal shitbag getting laughed at at every turn would've made me enjoy that at least.
You're absolutely right about Sokka. He was courageous, cunning, and intelligent. He came up with the idea for the War balloon at the air Temple, came up with the idea to use it as a bomb when they spotted the gas leak to beat back the firebenders, took out the owl that was trying to kill everyone in the underground Library, figured out the Eclipse would leave the firebenders defenseless an organized an attack on that day, and was an enormous part in stopping the firebenders during sozin's comet. He was amazing!
Yeah, Sokka is awesome!
I didn't appreciate him enough when I was a kid because I was a simp for Zuko, but now when rewatching as an adult, I've found myself caring more about Sokka's development than anyone else's tbh.
@@glanni same but not simping for Zuko
I agree with everything except one part. Sokka did not come up with the warballon. He only got the idea for the lid on top to control it. Even he himself never takes credit for the ballon telling suko that a friend of his designed the ballons.
@@TrixyTrixter Oh right. That’s correct. But it was Sokkas innovation that made it useable, since the man who did think of the balloon itself couldn’t actually use it since getting in it would mean rising indefinitely until death. Sokka did also think of using it to blow up the fire nation when they were seizing the air temple after he found the crack smelling of the sulfur. But, yes. You’re right. It was the other inventor who thought of the heated balloon idea. Thanks for the correction!
the rant about independence is spot-the-fuck-on.
Thank you
TheComfyknight - *AND YOU GOTTA-* Wait does this work here?
Griffith is the only strong independent female there ever was.
Katjuscha strong independent woman
Yeah, she always had that bullshit oppressive shitlord Caska always trying to mansplain at her.
...
*whispers*
_TOPH BEIFONG_
And it was so Brave and Progressive for Guts to have a black mentor! He really showed him the Ropes!
Podcast_Anon 😂😂😂😂 stop pls
"Why does he use prequels as bad expamle of Star Wars, not sequels?" *look at the date of publishing* "Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
Ikr
Amazing how long ago this was.
Yeah, I was confused to, but in a way he did call the sequels and the rest of the pandering future.
this was before the dark times
before the empire
because the prequels are a bad example of star wars, and helped prove the point he was making
Not to talk about the fact that bolin was in one of the most toxic relationships i’ve ever seen and everyone took it as a joke
It was protraied as a joke and no one in the series seemed to give a fuk about that relationship, not even mako who was supposed ti protect his brother if i remember correctly
Yeah,he was treated like an slave and everyone just laughed. I hate how it's seen as funny when women are abusers,and not at all serious,like when Lyn says she trashed air temple island after Tenzin broke up with her,how is it funny. Now imagine if a guy said "My girlfriend broke up with me so l wrecked her house" he would he seen as an abusive maniac
Katarina Vujic double standards
What a suicidal username lol
To the Korra fandom: "GO BACK TO THE FIRE NATION!"
-"Strong woman of color"
-Blue eyes
This could only make sense on Tumblr.
This does only make sense on Tumblr... No wait, it makes sense nowhere
There are people with darker skin who have green/blue eyes.
There are even colored people with blonde hair.
@@xeroxyde3397 Not really. There's that one Oceanic people with dark skin that have some dark-golden hair, but I'm not sure they qualify as "blonde haired".
WhiVe87 and why exactly ?
Honestly, I liked that Korra was hot headed at first. She was everything opposite of Aang. She wasn't peaceful of spiritual. With that, I think it was wrong for them to leave her character at that. It would have been better if Aang was guiding and teaching Korra about spirituality much like Roku did the same for him. Pair that with Amon acutally energy bending and non-bender's being actually opressed they could have taken Korra on a journey where she has to learn and grow as an Avatar and a person. Hell, they could have even taken her bending away for a few episodes so she sees the injustice forced on non benders, much like zuko saw the injustice forced on other nation.
I don't buy the whole "make non-benders oppressed" storyline. It's unnecessary. Just making her leave life as a vulnerable, regular person is enough to push her into maturity, self-reflection and developing adaptability. Non-benders were already stablished in the Avatar lore as simply filling socio-cultural niches than the benders didn't. Look at Sokka's entire character arc, he was disadvantaged against benders but he wasn't some second class citizen, he simply developed different skills to contend.
Yeah I was with the show for a while but my patience wore out in the second book. I kept saying "And now Korra will experience maturity... right?" Nope.
i too would have preferred her character if they fundamentally changed the entire story and every decision she ever made past the first 10 minutes of the show
Then there’s just little old me who’s confused about why there’s a puddle inside korras parents house
Your privilege is showing.
It's an igloo? lol Good catch.
Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to.
@@DaCrazyHand lmao no wonder her mother was cleaning up. They didnt want the white lotus to walk in to a dirty house
@@hanburgundy4317
?????
" This show is more mature then avatar"
meelo airbends his farts
Aang farts, sleds on penguins, and literally plays with children.
(press A to confirm)
> Try Again.
Game Over
@@hanburgundy4317 but when though, the only thing I can think of is when he shat himself while in the spirit world. And I think that’s about it. Or he called Zhao an ass face once. He never bended his gas
@@hanburgundy4317 Those points seem rather redundant.
@@Gold23228
The show makes fart noises whenever a butt appears (which is often). It's a silly cartoon - IDK why people are trying to act like it's a mature anime or like LOK is entirely made up of that one time Meelo airbended a fart. It's just stupid hypocrisy from edgy fans who take what people on youtube say seriously. LOK was more mature than ATLA, but both are still just cartoons; they're made for kids, so they have some childish humor - the difference is that LOK was made for the kids who had already watched ATLA and/or slightly older kids/teens. It's like that other version of Ben10 that came out a few years after the original: older characters, older humor, better action, takes itself a bit more seriously.
@@ArgonTH-cam
That's the point. People hate on LOK for its childish jokes, when ATLA had FAR more childish jokes far more often.
"all korra did was show up. no good story, nothing." well said. well said.
Legend of Whorra isn’t canon to me. The story starts and stops with Aang. End of story. I didn’t even watch after season one of Korra
But why would they do that messed up story?
I didn't even get onto 3 minutes into the first episode of Legend if Whorra.
I watched the first 5 minutes of Legend of Whorra and stopped. Gladly i have never watched it
Guy with a Guitar it’s not actually that bad but the end was just to despondent
@@wafflingmyboy1053 honestly the only point that reaaaally bothered me was taking away all the past generations, other than that it's just a bit worse than the first show, which was so good that it was hard to follow up
Zuko is the best character this franchise spit out
Nah man don't throw uncle Iroh under the bus.
@@mikasaackerman9605 ayo Mikasa
It was so painful, it took E;R 4 years to address Korrasami.
What is even more painful is that he won't destroy seasons 3 and 4.
@@pheonixshaman I've heard the last two seasons of Korra are decent, I think E;R himself said it in one of these videos but I don't feel like this show deserves a second chance.
@@kana22693 E;R said they aren't better or worse, just more of the same
Edward Armstrong season 3 is actually really good considering how bad Bryke butchered the first 2 seasons. I have not seen season 4 but from the plotpoints I’ve seen or heard it looks decent.
Also..first rule to every creator to any series out there...never listen to the shippers...ever. Never concede to their ship, not even if you are going that route. It's your story, not the shippers. So, no matter how much they pressure you to say that "Character X should fuck character Y even though they never talked to each other or tangentially related to each other"...just say no. Or just flip the bird at them and never answer the question on screen and tease them to death...the wait will kill them soon enough.
THIS
Every content creator needs to keep this in mind
I swear to god, if I ever become a comic creator and Tumblr is all "oh my d-g we need Sarah and Lily to be in love for -my fetish- social justice 4 lesbians," I WILL have at least one issue hyping up to involve some sort of romance, and then it will end with a two-page shot dedicated to Sarah and Mason kissing.
Those are placeholder names, don't get excited.
Patrick Bateman
Do you also include a shruberry in the background that looks like a middle finger?
That's exactly what happened with Harry Potter and Adventure Time, and look where they are now! In the crapper!
*****
The problem, at least in my opinion, was that they decided to listen to everything the fans said, making the show more and more serious and adding in random shippings just to please the fans. It eventually came back to bite them when the fans turned on the show after Finn got his arm back.
Legend of Korra:I'm your sequel and you gotta deal with it.
Avatar The Last Airbender:Don't flatter yourself,you were never even considered my sequel.
MorgzMumNumber1Fan I legit read the last sentence as “you were never even considered my equal.”
@@thetraveler7368 lol
2:16 "the main character is a strong woman of colour"
I legit hadn't realised korra was "a woman of colour" until then. This world cares so deeply about it that it keeps the racism, we need to let go of thinking that someone is black or white and just see people like I had with korra
This show is no longer cannon, we can all agree on this I hope.
Jus like how the movie does not exist
Uvindu Abeysekara what movie?
@@xhine9922 now you're getting it
I want the world to burn. I did see something where someone said they wanted to make a season about azula’s redemption arc maybe that will come along with the new next flix movie(which i hope they don’t butcher)
@@xhine9922 if they try a redemption arc with azula I am going to find everyone who worked on that movie and take their fucking hands
More Accurately "The Legend of Korra" should've been Titled: "The Filler For The Last Air Bender" or "The Legend of Korra : FILLER".
YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT!!!
Friday Livestreams deal the final blow to kill korra?
my pleasure
Da fuq why do people always want to throw filler insult around
Your profile pic is the greatest thing ever
Get over it
When I watched the show it never crossed my mind they were gay, I thought it was just one friend supporting another who had gone through a tough time, girls generally don't have a problem being that close without being gay, or maybe it's just me.
Yeah. I also felt a friendship could have been built (even though they were enemies for 2 seasons and Asami is basically a plot device)
I feel like that’s the new trope now. A “strong” female cannot be close to another female without some attraction involved. I don’t know why, but that’s pretty damn common in shows these days.
Yeah the comics that continue after the legend of korra basically shove the fact that they're in a relationship by having them make out in every other scene in your face.. There was also another part where korra tells her parent she's gay. He dad said says great we don't mind but you should be careful not everyone is going to like it and korra shouts that they're not open minded enough and runs off in a tantrum. The bad writing didn't stop at the show unfortunately.
Thank you!
@@DelayedEcho bruh the amount of things people would give to have parents like that for them to right korra being all "YoU'rE nOt aCcEpTiNg"
Sokka wasn't just a badass. But he was intelligent, funny and driven. Also the resident ladies man over Zuko
“Legend of Korra is darker! The Last Airbender is for kids!” *TLA IN THE MEANWHILE* I am about a war that has destroyed an intire race and ripped and broken families. I am about a country with a very toxic leader that made his daughter his warmachine and banished his son over nothing. I am about a country with a corrupt government that is ruled by a de-facto ruler and a group that support him called the Dai Li, who basically protect Ba Sing Se however possible, even going as far as hiding the war, and brainwashing anyone who opposes them. Children are killed on screen. And horrible things happen. My characters are great, developed real beings with various character arcs.
*MEANWHILE IN LOK* I try to create villians who are very deep and support deeper themes but I rush it so badly that the story doesn’t make sense, and that their motives are undermined. Korra is a mary sue and doesn’t have to do anything and the rest of the characters are as dimensional as wood. The fights are one sided. Like trained warriors can’t fight the Red Lotus, but Kai (a noob airbender) can, Bumi (even worse in airbending) can. Meanwhile the Dai Li get knocked out by their own rock gloves...
Yeah, LOK definetely is the better series.
One problem. Doesn't being a Mary Sue require actually, I don't know, accomplishing a task through skill instead of flailing about like a jackass until the universe changes to accommodate you?
@@InfernosReaper yes, skill handed to you.talented people get criticism, hard working people get respect.
E:R has a flawed Mary Sue deffiniton (which incidentally is why hand isn't a Mary Sue in solo. Literature devil put it best. "The largest distinction for a Mary Sue is that while a normal Character is written to fit the story, the Mary Sue bends the story to fit her." Being overpowered or always winning are signs of this, and it can be a subtle difference. However for Korea I think it applies to her decently enough.
@@shards7992 North or South?
@@seriouslyidk179 lol
Thanks for making this series, E;R. I have every intention of watching Avatar: The Last Airbender in its entirety and pretending that Legend of Korra doesn't even exist, thanks to you. That's really the best compliment a fellow shitlord like me can offer.
Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoy Avatar.
E;R
Thanks for linking to what songs and audio you use.
I never wanted to watch this show because I didn’t want to see the characters I grew to care about grow sad and old or dead. Aang, Sokka, and Suki were dead while Katara, Toph, and Zuko were all old and alone. I didn’t want to remember these characters that way.
Thanks for giving me 2 hours worth of reasons of why NOT to watch this show.
But that's why the show is more "mature" because that's what happens to everyone - you get old and die cold and alone. The end... for everyone.
@@animateddepression are you really saying that 3 beloved characters dying make LOK more mature than a genocide, fascist war, brainwashing dictatorship, child abuse, sexism and innocent deaths? what are you on?
peanut gallery god no. Quotation marks were meant to denote sarcasm. It’s just horrible trash. I tried watching it again last night... the writers make fun of how terrible the show is in-universe and I don’t know if that’s supposed to be funny? It’s insulting.
anyone got an idea how/why Aang,Sokka and Suki died? I keep seeing that they're dead I just don't know why
Tahm Kench On Top well, Aang got sick and died in his 60s due to him spending so much time in the iceberg. We know from interviews Sokka and Suki moved to Republic city, and since they were only 3 years older then aang, they would be in their 70s by the time the show started. Sokka was also known to be in the city council, so either he retired and lived a quiet and peaceful life in the suburbs (Unlikely) or he was killed after his 30s. As Sokka was his usual self during the court case scene, Suki also probably made it as well. Now, what could have killed them in Republic City? Probably the rampant gang problem. Seeing as the city council wouldn't do anything, Sokka and Suki probably lived a happy life before going after the gangs and getting killed doing so. That's just a theory though.
So you're telling me that Mako, who allowed himself to be sexually harassed by Korra, and later pursued that relationship, was able to lightning-bend, also known as the "cold-blooded," or "emotionless" bending...😐🛑
It's not about being devoid of emotion; it's about controlling them.
@@hanburgundy4317 , Lightning Bending is 100% about total being totally emotionless that’s why Azula and Ozai were able to perfect Lightning Bending easily whereas characters like Iroh and Zuko were only ever able to redirect the Lightning in Avatar the Last Airbender yet one of the many many retcons in Legend of Whorra.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
Wrong-o. Lightning-bending, _as explained by Iroh_ , is about separating positive energy/emotion from negative energy/emotion to create an imbalance between the two. The energies want to come back together, and when they do "come crashing back" it can generate lightning; the bender then focuses and directs this energy. Straight out of ATLA.
And Azula was FAR from emotionless lmao I swear, nobody on these videos even watched ATLA.
@@hanburgundy4317 , Azula before Book 3 was totally emotionless, and it was only until the end of Book 3 is whenever she went batshit insane, and she was throwing around lightning randomly and crazly in battle whereas Zuko was perfectly Lightning rediction until Azula threw a lighting bending attack at Katara, so yes people that are totally emotionless is easier for them to control Lightning than people like Zuko that didn’t know how to perfectly control lighting until the events of the Dark Horse comics is whenever Zuko learned Lighting Bending, and considering that Bryke and Mike doesn’t consider the Dark Horse comics as canon to main Avatar the Last Airbender series I don’t care about any Western entertainment nowadays.
Damn all those works must be sad af
How is Alta less mature than lok? Atla has war , genocide murder , abduction , corruption and an implied sex scene
Sex scene? You mean Sokka and Suki? Oh boy! Poor Toph would feel that. x'D
Wait what scene
Carn Arts when suki bumped into Zuko in the southern raiders episode
It’s less mature lol
@@SergioKoolhaas oh no.... SHE CAN HEAR AND SMELL IT TOO!
Either, "It's made for kids, so it doesn't have to be good," or, "It's made for adults, so it's automatically good."
I swear to God.
Wait, the accusation of Mako being a cheater and a terrible boyfriend is widely undeserved. Hell, I'm sure he is so hated because he's the only character who, at the beginning of the show at least, calls Korra on her bullshit.
Let's recap, shall we:
Korra kissed Mako while knowing he was in another relationship. He pushed her away.
He later started developing feelings for her and when he realized her it, he broke up with Asami. No cheating there. Best course of action one can take really. Then, when he (rightfully) doubted Korra for trusting Unalaq and Varrick, she went to his office and...just fucking destroyed it (domestic violence you all)! She breaks up with him in the process.
He then told Asami and she kissed him. No cheating there. Clearly the relationship is over.
The bulging relationship with Asami is ended quickly when Korra comes back, jumps on him and kisses him. Ending his relationship with Asami
So no, Mako never cheated. (I might be wrong I only watched the show once). He just was unlucky enough to have Korra fall for him and repeatedly break his relationships up XD
He never even initiated any of the kisses I mentionned.
So, to summarise: Korra broke Mako and Asami up to supposedly go out with him, beat him up, treated him like shit and finally broke up with him. Then she ended up going out with his now single girlfriend. Isn't there something wrong there? Sounds like Korra is either abusive or completely manipulative...
Slight correction (to a 9 month old comment, I know), but when Korra trashed his workspace in season 2, _Mako_ broke up with her--not the other way around. I almost cheered when he did that.
Unfortunately he later inexplicably became spineless and didn't tell conveniently amnesiac Korra that they'd broken up already. Was it out of fear of abusive retaliation, or out of bad writing? I believe the phrase "conveniently amnesiac Korra" answers _that_ question.
Just realised something :
- Aang : cannot(at least in the eyes of Avatar Yan Chen) abide to the teachings of the monk and detach himself from the world because his duty is to the world primarily, hence the whole "have to kill the firelord if not for energybending"
- Zaheer : Everything he does is for the world's sake, for the people, what he believes to be right for humanity has a whole, but can still somehow follow Guru Lahima's steps and detach himself and fly because why not
because PLOT LMAO
Kind of like how Aang is supposed to have to give up his worldly attachments to attain the Avatar State, but he doesn't and instead just gets it for free after being poked by a rock? Like how Aang marries Katara and has a family, but can still access the Avatar State?
Funny how everything Aang does is right, but everything Korra does is wrong - even if Aang does it first.
@@hanburgundy4317 Except Aang's attachment to Katara prevented him from entering the Avatar state because she was almost literally everything for him, he was more preoccupied with saving her than anything.
Aang doesn't get the avatar state for free after being poked by a rock, he had already done what he needed to achieve the avatar state in season 2, but Azula blocked his chakra at the end of season 2. The shock with the rock allowed him back to go in the avatar state. It is also important to notice that the Avatar State in the fight with Ozai isn't a controled avatar state, so it was something that Aang was supposed to be capable of since episode 1 anyways.
Was the rock thing convenient? Yes. Was it incoherent with the world's lore? No.
@@LioTangg
But Aang _didn't_ do everything he needed; he didn't let go of his worldly attachments - he never let go of Katara. And IDK, I disagree; from how it was showcased in the finale, Aang could enter and leave the Avatar State at will once he got poked by the rock - it wasn't just his former lives taking over anymore, but _Aang_ controlling the AS for the first time.
IDK, maybe I read too much into it and he never mastered the ability lol
@@hanburgundy4317 I don't know where you got this idea from: in ATLA we see that avatar Roku had a wife and children and yet he was able to master the avatar state and fullfill his duties. What the guru stated, which was later reinforced by Avatar Yangchen in the finale, so It's not just an interpretation (and Is still again reinforced in later comics) is that Aang shouldn't let his attachments or needs go over his duties: which Is exactly what he does next when he "Empire strikes back" to save Katara, which ended with him dead and the avatar cycle broken (only saved thanks to Katara's caring and her Spirit water). I don't really see what your point Is here, since all of this Is explicitly in the series.
Turning the one character named after Iroh's original VA into the fandom's "most hated" - that always leaves me shaking my head in disbelief.
"There are so many things in this show that start off seemingly so innocently that pay off with such depth." YES. That's something that I loved so much about ATLA, that wasn't in LOK.
Because of E;R's praise of Aaron Ehasz and explaining how he was a vital element to ATLA's success and his absence for Korra being a main shift in quality from great to bad, I looked up his work, saw he was the main guy for Dragon Prince; a show I initially dismissed upon seeing trailers. Gave it a watch, and it legitimately felt more like ATLA than the canonical sequel. The fantastic imagination, the creativity, the good character interactions, the great characters, you even have early GOT elements with courtly intrigue and assassinations for season 2 and early season 3. They even have Koh's VA as a primary protagonist and his voice is like potato chips, I cant get enough of it.
TL;DR - E;R was right, Aaron Ehasz is the reason ATLA was good and his absence in Korra shows.
Ajohnymous does Koes VA voice somebody besides Aravos? Also It’s great how Sokkas VA plays Callum who is kinda Sokka’s opposite in that he loves magic and finds wonder in it compared to Sokka who’s a skeptic and more of a science person. I also like Callum and Raylas relationship, even though it develops earlier on it feels more natural and their reactions when telling people they’re an item is goofy in a cute coupley kind of way.
@@thetraveler7368 So Erik Dellums, the VA for Koh and Aravos, ALSO voices Nazir from Skyrim- the redguard in the Dark Brotherhood! I didn't even realize it until I read it, then thought about Nazir doing a deep, calm and scary voice.
As for Callum, he is definitely in many ways the opposite of Sokka, yet also very similar. Callum as you said loves magic and finds in interesting, more optimistic and is less physically capable while Sokka was a warrior of the water tribe and eventual master swordsman, but both are leaders, planners, very creative in problem solving. I think they would be best friends who argued a bit about magic and its merits, what it means to be a man, and laugh about how they both like women who are strong, capable warriors while both them and their love interests are pretty goofy but their partners are generally more serious and combat focused.
I also love Callum and Rayla's relationship. They both fit each other in many ways and are complimentary to each other, supportive of the other when they feel like they aren't being a good assassin or having no elemental link to perform magic but encourage them to be themselves, being silly and fun in their calm moments but able to solve problems that the other cant during a crises. They're as cute as they are healthy and functional. Korra is an inherently awful person and even with Asami in the comics, shes awful towards her parents when they supported her decision to be with Asami but said to be careful as others might be bigots. Korra was also abusive to Mako and Bolin, using them more often than being a good partner. Ehasz has a good understanding on relationships and what makes them work, while Brike have a 70/30 chance on having a relationship start realistically or pulled right from the ether like Asami and then make it unpleasant afterwards.
Ajohnymous everything you said is Spot On! I have so many issues with LoK as a series let alone Korra as a character. I’m looking forward to the next season of DP so, so much. We are only up to S3 and I’m looking forward to seeing how DP ends. My only critique is the animation style they went with but that’s more of a personal preference and I ignore it because DP is just that Good.
Ngl The Dragon Prince comes pretty close to A:TLA (probably the closest in a post-Avatar tv landscape). However I do have some issues with the show. The world is a bit too standard fantasy-ish and no where as interesting as A:TLA, There are some really dumb scenes (the scene where Virren forces the soldiers who refused to fight against the elves to wear a “badge of shame.” is such blatant parallelism towards the treatment of Jews in Nazi Germany it’s actually hilarious) and the show would look way better in 2D. However, it’s more than made up for through its interesting story and great characters. You can tell that Ehasz and his team put a lot of love and care in the Dragon Prince. I can’t wait for the next few seasons and hope they don’t drop the ball like Bryke did with the first two seasons of Korra.
TL;DR The Dragon Prince is really good but my minor issues with the show sort of bog it down from being a masterpiece for me personally.
damn right
Korrasami pisses me off. Close friends makes much much much much more sense but now I can see that the lack of good writers gave us the most mediocre and lack luster sequel ever.
That’s exactly what I was thinking
I also agree, and those shippers… they send chills down my spine
"If this seems out of the blue try reviewing the last two episodes."
Bitch, what do you think "out of the blue" means?
+doger944 *seasons 23:23
Though it doesn't change the fact it was poor writing on their part.
it means that a fucking giant blue korra came out of her
explain that
As a woman of colour who is a black belt in karate I can strongly say I do not find kora anywhere near as inspirational or relatable than any of the original cast. As I child I deluded myself I could be a bender and found the show inspirational. I repeatedly dropped knorra and completely gave up somewhere around season 3
@powerstar 2028 *professionals.
powerstar 2028+ How you gonna learn if you don’t listen to professionals kid? Why did you even comment though. You sound exactly like Korra, Bitch don’t wanna wanna learn and is stupid
@@ninetails6218 if they were talking about school I could agree with that. Elementary and high school are incredible wastes of time.
"As a [identity group]..." Stopped reading there; opinion discarded.
powerstar 2028 Like, omg, you’re SO quirky!
katara is a much better female character took the lead when needed, loving, and strong willed. she had flaws but they showed she was human that could make mistakes and learn. or even when she found her mother's killer she let him go but said she would never forgive. awsome and human. not like " deal with it" avatar
ScepticalCynic so kora was better how so
ScepticalCynic you said avatar fans are delusional so I assumed you liked korra more or am I wrong and you actually hate the show.
ScepticalCynic lol it's ok I work 16 hours 2 times a week I feel your pain of being tired
The part where she forgive the man who murdered her mom and not killing, really pissed me off! It's stupid and immoral! Justice was need to be done, you don't have mercy for murders and they need to be punished. "Oh, but he has mom too.." , yeah and it still didn't prevent from killing other people's moms, and apparently evil people have relatives too, big shocking surprise.
P.S. Shame, E;R is antisemitic Alt Right who can't tell leftie Jews from right wing Jews....
It wasn't mercy she gave him she felt he wasn't even worth a death. She thought he was too pathetic.
Bruh that scene with zuko and iroh... zuko legit waited patiently, letting his uncle rest. Expecting the worst when he woke up. That patience, accountability, and respect... lok had zero moments like this. Atla was filled with it.