As a followup to the question regarding the gun outside the Yamato museum, I note that said gun does not appear to be properly secured. So presuming that the unfortunates tasked with firing the gun had the sense to be a long way off to one side with an equally long lanyard...where would the gun end up and how much damage would it do in the process of getting there?
Speaking of PC games and naval games, have you heard of BattleStar Galactica Deadlock? If not, have a look. It's great for fragging toasters, you have some very nice ships to command and more than a few game modes, campaigns to run through. As well, have you heard of Naval War Arctic Circle and of course the classic, Homeworld? Any of the titles in the series? Any thoughts, comments you'd like to share?
Given that one of the biggest problems with the Ohka was its fairly-short range, could making it a two-stage weapon (basically adding a booster stage onto the back to get it up to speed and altitude) have bumped its range up enough to allow it to be usefully launched from land bases at Allied ships or at least to allow mother aircraft to launch them from outside the range of Allied AA and far enough away to make it dangerous for CAP aircraft to go chasing after the motherplanes?
Hello Drach. Have you heard of the "Spring Styles" series of books? Each book contains dozens of plans for warships, most never made. Book 1 and 3 are free online. If you have skimmed these before, what's your favorite design proposal in them?
Talking about British Admirals; and who was an actual admiral, got me thinking. The fleet that faced the Spanish Armada was something of an ad hoc organization. When; make that over what period of time, did the Royal Navy become a modern military organization? Modern in the sense that it had developed standards of training, ranks with well defined roles for officers at each rank and an organization of fleets and command; like the red, white and blue squadrons, and fully organized logistics, planning and building functions. Are there any specific people who were deserve credit for this change from an ad-hoc organization to a permanent and more professional one? And, were some of these changes already under weigh at the time of the Spanish Armada?
Bravo Drach. The Salvage at Pearl Harbor Series is a classic example of what happens when a group of Geek Engineers sits around a table with a couple pitchers of beer. Some really interesting ideas end up being discussed. Always be nice to the geeks, you'll probably end up working for one.
The Pearl Harbor Salvage series got me hooked on this channel, only to find out exactly how much content Drach had created for me to wade through. I will endeavor to persevere, though!
1:52:44 "Once you start taking into account AIRCRAFT, everything starts flying around all over the place". Drach's wry humour at it's finest. This channel is GOLD! (On so many levels)
More than 5 hours of Drachinifel on the weekend, and I haven’t gotten to and counted in the live Drydock yet. That mandates a thumbs up on all three videos.
2:19:10 "The Mark XIII can detect and lock on to gunnery targets up to 25 nautical miles, ie 46 kilometers, roughly speaking, which is a lot of yards". Thats the precision that I look for in Drachs videos :D
Regarding anchors, it's not the anchor it self that needs cleaning, even in modern ships, they look like they are inside, but they are in a pocketin the hull, still outside. it's the chain that is cleaned, because the chain goes inside the ship. The cleaning goes with the fire pump, the fire line is connected to the hawse pipe, and before hoisting the anchor a vlave is opned to flush all the clay and such off. Replacing an anchor is actually quite easy. it can be done by the crew. most anchors are standard sized. a pov from a modern merhcant navy sailor.
Excellent response. I would add that in the age of sail, anchors were attached via cable hawsers (heavy rope) not chain. This hawser didn't lay in the mud the way a chain does, nor did it hold onto mud the way a chain does, so less need to clean. That said, there are accounts of how nasty the cable tier would smell in the days after getting underweigh after an extended period at anchor.
While doing some clean up on my phone tonight I discovered to my absolute horror that I had only watched half of this video. Thank God I didn't die in the interim and have been able to finish it now :) The thought of leaving a Drach video unwatched is an anathema to me.
As a teenager I loved the Avalon Hill Jutland game, as I loved all AH games. Of course, with my brother, we made all kinds of additions and what we saw as corrections. But this game was one thing that really encouraged me to research into naval history. We would expand the game, with our limited knowledge, to include other navies such as Austria-Hungary, France, Italy and Russia and think how things might have gone.
I loved the Pearl Harbor salvage videos because it was some really fascinating engineering - and pretty horrific for the salvage crews, who were incredibly brave in a different way.
I agree, I had never before considered the mental challenge of having to enter these tombs, upside-down, completely coating in black bunker oil, the stink, the sharp metal, and risk of poison gas... Horrifying, and these salvors did it day after day until the job was done.
Not at all surprised by the success of the Salvage at Pearl Harbour videos. Leaving aside the fact that you are an erudite historian/engineer and present your work in a very accessible and engaging way, the sheer scale and complexity of that effort boggles the mind. Fascinating stuff.
I admit, I experience a bit of joy every time the Des Moines class cruisers get mentioned. My father served on the USS Newport News (CA-148) (Regina Maris) during Vietnam. He was a lowly Machinist Mate (MMC) in Engine Room 3 (I think). His best friend was in charge of Engine Room 1, which was always pristine and always dropped the load when demand came. Engine Room 3 looked (in his words) "Like a Shit Hole", but was always able to answer bells. They were always getting slammed on inspections, but almost always available when needed.
My introduction to naval history was S.E. Morison's "History of United States Naval Operations in World War II." I got a volume each year as a Christmas gift, starting in the mid-1950s, and then, upon college graduation, perhaps a decade later, I bought myself the remaining few volumes as a graduation gift. Morison has been shown to be in error about numerous things, but (partial explanation), especially in the Pacific, there were few Japanese sources available, even fewer in English, until recent years, after Morison had passed on, and he didn't have access to some American and other allied sources until very late in his writing career, or they weren't available until after he'd died. I've read many others since finishing the series (I still have the books), but Morison was the first "real" historian.
@Drachinifel, the plain answer to "Oh, no, it was scuttled" is :"If you were forced to scuttle, you were sunk all the same." Don't let the scuttloons bother you. If the ship was "unsinkable", the crew itself clearly didn't believe it, and pulled the plugs anyway. Scuttling a ship is no different than an armored division destroying its tanks and surrendering, albeit with less swimming involved.
@Drach, ref: Pearl Harbor salvage videos, you covered something that a lot of people including me who have consumed vast amounts of print and video media about Pearl Harbor have never seen before ("Tora Tora Tora" and "Patton" were the first movies I watched without adult supervision). Where past references waved a magic wand and made post-battle actions invisible, you broke it down in heart-breaking but necessary detail.
For the last century plus most anchors are stowed either totally within or partially within the Hawse pipe. The Hawse pipe often had nozzles within it or just outside where water could be sprayed on to the Chain to clean it. With a clay bottom the chain can emerge looking like a tube and the anchor as a solid looking block. The clay must be washed off as if it goes into the chain lockers it can block the suction. The clay would laugh at buckets of water.
Afraid this is not a naval question, but I haven't found the answer anywhere else, and its importance to the naval war with Japan is immediately apparent. It seems to be commonly agreed by historians that the Far Eastern Air Force bombers based on Luzon could have and should have preemptively attacked the Japanese air bases on Formosa on Dec. 8, 1941, once it was known that Pearl Harbor had been attacked. Trying this would at least have been better than what in fact happened -- being caught on the ground and destroyed. But could they have hit the Japanese first? Formosa is not a small place; did the U.S. even know where the Japanese bases were located? MacArthur is apparently on the record as stating, after the war, that an attack on Formosa "would not have worked." He apparently didn't say why it wouldn't have worked. The obvious reason could be there was no reconnaissance in hand to say where to bomb.
Regarding museum ships Britain has the shame of not keeping Warspite, but America has the continual embarrassment of letting Enterprise go to the scrappers.
@Drachinifel When it comes to "cleaning the anchors," one of the things that more modern vessels have is they have a fire main somewhere near the anchor so that 1) you can cool the metal-on-metal friction when you have to emergency release an anchor (or you rig a hose from a nearby hydrant to achieve the same) and 2) you rig the same while bringing up the anchor so that you can wash the sludge away out of the same tunnel the chain is raised through before the windlass pulls it over and up into the chain locker. This is modern merchant navy "good practice." Regarding anchor lowering, even when under control, we usually rigged and ran the cooling as a "just in case" scenario
One of the reasons why anchor cables had to be cleaned before the locker was the use of a powered capstain chain loop (prior to drum winches) with clips to fasten the anchor cable to it -hence mud might obscure links making instaling removing clips even more hazardous.
Have read where RMS Queen Mary has increased funding from the California city of Long Beach . They checked out the hull by ultrasound and this looks quite good. More work to evaluate ballast tanks. Have read reports from last year stating that the ship needs much work. Not sure how much more funding is necessary to fix the problems. Looks like they want to make the ship a floating hotel again. They should keep the historical appearance and artifacts. The RMS Queen Mary served as a troop ship in WW2 due to her speed. After the war the ship was reconverted to an ocean liner again.
The other thing about moving _Nagato_ is the manner of boarding. For a ship at the pier, you just walk on, or raise the gangplank or even put up a ladder. For a ship at anchor, you must approach and then a stairway or ladder will be lowered to your boat. The ship's crew is _allowing you_ to come aboard, further preserving some of their honor.
Regarding _USS Missouri,_ I had the privilege of visiting it in the late 1990s when it was on display in Bremerton, WA for *ONE DAY* prior to being towed to Hawaii for permanent display. My biggest surprise? I didn’t realize that it and other battleships had *WOODEN* decks.
British penetration tests of proposed HOOD side armor showed that the 7" upper belt just above the the joint with the inclined 12" waterline belt, if penetrated by a slightly downward-moving APC shell -- the British 15" Greanboy APC shells were used in these tests -- with a delay-action base fuze (HOOD armor was designed when non-delay fuzes were used by the British and almost all other nations), would penetrate intact and having only the 2" HT turtleback deck plate to stop the shell, which was totally inadequate. A 3" horizontal HT plate was added to cover the gap with the 2" turtleback plate under it and this stopped the 15" shell from going downward, eliminating the weakness. However, in the actual ship construction, to save weight, this improvement was only done along the magazine areas front and back and the bulkheads between the magazines and the engine/boiler room spaces remained only about 0.75-1" HT steel, making the end propulsion plant spaces essentially part of the magazines. Thus, a hit with a delay-action-fuzed large-caliber APC shell in this side-armor weakness region along the amidships area that penetrated into that propulsion space and detonated in the end propulsion plant space would blow fragments and blast into the nearby magazine and KABLOOY!!!, no more HOOD. This is highly likely the way HOOD was destroyed by BISMARCK, since the vulnerable regions in HOOD side armor near the magazines are rather large.
I am endlessly fascinated with the Royal Navy of WWII, I enjoy playing Hearts of Iron and the UK is by far my favorite power to play with. Love your work!
I always reach the end of every drydock, no exceptions. Been doing it ever since dryock number one. (Which if I remember correctly was around 20 minutes)
Drac - just to add to dispatches - they also sent multiple copies of dispatches (labelling each copy 1, 2 etc) by several ships to ensure redundancy in case of shipwreck or capture. You often see this in archives. None of this ringing Mrs Thatcher for permission to sink the Belgrano nonsense!
Regarding communication in the age of sail, it also seems to have been the practice for ships meeting mid-ocean to exchange news with each other, so each would know what had been happening at the other ship's departure point - useful if this was also their own destination.
Re listening to this just now and the museum ships question made me think. Although Drach's answer would appear totally correct I think there is another point to be made. Countries with a greater/longer naval history/culture will have more ships. I've not done the calculations but I'd be surprised if the UK doesn't have the largest number of museum ships either by per capita or per square mile of land. If we don't (yes I'm a Brit) we are really failing our history
Q & A - Drach - have you ever done a video about ship's torpedo protection, from nets to hull bulges, etc? I've seen many photos of WWI and older ships with the torpedo net outriggers stowed against the hull but have never seen any photos with the net outriggers deployed with the net in protection mode. If you have already done a video about this, could you please link it? Thanks shipmate!
Considering the Amphitrite Mutiny, I guess the Admiralty wanted to TRY to show that they were going to punish people for insubordination but they made sure that the ones they did punish weren't punished too severely cuz they knew that those individuals were right. But they were trying to make sure that the one mutiny didn't escalate to be a large outbreak of mutinies.
The first escort carrier, HMS Audacity, was converted from a German merchant ship and retained its first-class passenger accommodation, which was used to house the pilots, so they had a lot more space than was usual even in a purpose-built carrier. (This comes from "Wings on my Sleeve" by Eric Brown.)
At roughly 33:00 or 34:00 you were talking about museum ships. And you said that $2 to $3 million THIS year can save $30 million years later! I would just like to say that is very true! And if you think about it, basically common sense will tell you, these ships are very large & made of metal. And anything that is made of metal & is around a salt air environment is VERY prone to RUST. To borrow a phrase from Neil Young "Rust never sleeps!" So any metal that is exposed is not only going to rust but rust quickly in the salt air/water. And these ships are huge so they require not just some paint but LARGE amounts of paint. And you also spoke about Cruise Ships that are museum ships not having as many visitors as War ship museum ships. And although they are both a part of history, the thought of paying to see a Cruise Ship, it just doesn't appeal to me at all. Even going on a vacation Cruise Ship to go somewhere doesn't interest me either. But the thought of seeing any & every war ship I can does. It is just sad I don't have the cash to see any.
The Lady Hood is a "Great Ship" because so many of us loved her. for many it is because it was because she was so awesome, for others it is patriotism, for still more it is because family served upon her. That said, all that is required for people to love the Lady as a "Great Ship" is just that- they love Her because she is a "Great Ship." there is not so much fanfare for BB59, and she survives.
Thank you for the video, it also depends on the emphasis of the navy in national historic interest, for example US and UK are heavily dependent on and proud of their navy, while in France or maybe Germany, interest is a bit more shared between the army, airforce and navy with a big emphasis on airforce thus the visitors and fundings... It is also dependant on the gloriousness of a part of history, like France WWII is not so much attractive as anyone can understand, whereas Napoleonic war ships like the rebuilding of the Hermione frigate is a bit more attractive in French view...
41:03 Considering (as far as I know) that all the 1920s battleship and battlecruiser designs that featured 15-inch guns all had only 15"/50s in the designs and a 15”-armed Nelson is still to use triple turrets, I wouldn’t really see any reason to use the 15"/42 Mark I gun instead of the 15"/50 planned for the J3s. I don’t know what the F2 and F3 battlecruisers were designed to use specifically outside of them being 15-inch guns, but I’d imagine they would also be 15"/50s.
1:24:54 Personally, I think they would drop the Amagi for either a Kii or Number 13 class, as both ships are same speed as an Amagi, but with all around better armor than both Tosa and Amagi (11.5” belt/4.7” deck on Kii and 13” belt/5” deck on N13 vs. 9.85” belt/3.742” deck on Amagi and 11” belt/4” deck on Tosa), and gets the same main armament with Kii (ten 16.14”/45 guns) but better main armament with N13 (eight 18.11”/50 guns). Knowing Japan, they could always pull a Yamato and lie about the gun-caliber of the 46 cm/50 5th Year Type anyway.
35:17 Talking about "preventive maintenance" Mark Novak of the Anvil gunsmith channel ask " When does neglect become "patina"?"' Doing the maintenance is always cheaper in the long run
Wow! I have Avalon-Hill's Jutland. I played a 1 v 1 against a friend more than 25 years ago. I chose SMS Pommern. That was the only German ship whose name I could pronounce.
Very interesting video. I learned a lot. One comment I found odd was the average oil consumption. This side of the pond it is unusual to need to add oil between services in cars. My diesels Discovery 3 with 190k miles never needs any and nor do any of my other cars. Even my JD tractor with 8000hrs doesn’t. I can only assume this is due to the detergents and additives in UK fuels. Do you think this is the case?
00:40:57 - In hindsight, would the Nelsons have been better ships if they had been armed with nine BL 15-inch Mk I naval guns in three turrets? Personally, for me, the more interesting counterfactual to explore is what if the British argued that in exchange for letting the Japanese and Americans keep all of their 16''-gunned battleships, Britain was allowed to have two Admiral-Class battlecruisers? Instead of the Nelsons + HMS Hood, Britain instead got to keep HMS Hood and complete another Admiral Class, giving them two of what was arguably the world's most powerful capital ships in exchange for their rivals having a handful of ships with marginally more firepower at long range?
wrt the question about the Nelsons being armed with 15" guns, that would not have impacted the choice of 14" on the KGVs. I looked in to the question of the KGV armament decision, combining information in books by Garzke, Raven, and Friedman, as well as other sources. The Admiralty's own analysts, in the fall of 35, said that a 9-15" armament would give a better balanced ship than the 12-14" alternative that was contemplated. The analysts said the only reason 14" would be selected would be if required by treaty. Someone in the USN, in the fall of 35, said they would be open to a 14" standard, if Japan agreed. That gave the "influencer" in the Admiralty the excuse to promote 14". Of course, the entire notion of Japan agreeing to anything was a pipe dream. When Japan announced, in December of 34, they were dropping out of the treaty system, they said they were open to a new conference and a new treaty, only if Japan was given parity with the US and UK, (which was not going to happen). This was widely reported in the newspapers at that time. Orders for the KGV armament had to be entered by late 35, to meet the build schedule for ships laid down in 37, so the decision to go 14" was made in late 35, before the Second London conference started. Who was the "influencer" and why? The "who" appears to be First Sea Lord Chatfield. The "why" appears to be an embrace of the "more smaller guns equals more hits" theory, a theory the USN had argued, and rejected, twenty years earlier.
Clearly you are wrong on USS Constitution. She could stop anything thrown at her, be it a 32lber all the way to an IJN 460mm BCAP rd from Yamato. They don’t hand out the nick name “Old Ironsides” flippantly.
I had unreasonable expectations of the Constitution until Drach described her as a "Super Frigate". Then a lot of the things said about her made more sense.
I will have to say this to our great host, there's always going to be somebody out there saying something to irritate you because they know for a fact it's going to irritate you. LOL, I guess that means Yamato scuttled itself before all the bombs hit?
Drachinifel - At 45:39 it appears that you have a photo of CV-13, USS Franklin when she is being scrapped. The port forward part of her flight deck was removed while she was at Bayonne in mothballs to repair the USS Valley Forge - Am I correct regarding the identity of the carrier in the photo? My Dad was a GM3c on the Franklin.
wrt torpedo boats in the Philippines, the USN had torpedo boats there in 41, PT boats. The USN had not built larger, steam powered, torpedo boats since 1905. The last class of torpedo boats, the 200 ton Blakely class, spent most of their time tied up in reserve in the US, as their construction overlapped the building of the first class of destroyers, the 420 ton Bainbridge class. I considered how the Blakelys could have been moved to the Philippines, given their small size and short range. The best scenario I came up with was building a cradle in the Dewey drydock to hold six of them, as the Dewey was towed to the Philippines in 1906. They would have been redundant however, as the first five Bainbridges had steamed to the Philippines under their own power in 1904.
The Philippines Navy itself (known as the Offshore Patrol during the commonwealth period prior to WWII) had a handful of smaller motorboats and PT boats (avg. 60ft. in length), along with the USN's boats made famous under John Bulkeley. Instead of 600-ton ships which would have been spotted from the air (at least after they made 1 attack and gave their general appearance away), proper pre-war funding for the Patrol would have included many more PT boats (77 ft.) which could stay under camouflage virtually anywhere in the islands and carry a variety of weapons packages.
@@stuartwald2395 the problem with the PT boats was lack of time to build up a fleet. The Navy was still testing the prototypes in the first half of 41. The WWI vintage SC class subchasers and Eagle boats were not designed to carry torpedoes, and could only manage 18 kts.
A youtubeclip with the simple title 'Why didn't Hannibal attack Rome? ⚔ Hannibal (Part 7) - Second Punic War' Explains the fleet tactics during the second punic wars second year.
It's still a fact that hood was 4/5 of the way to being a proper battleship the HMS Hood I would still argue was not the best ship to send after the Bismarck she was a just as capable of not Superior capital ship upon her Commission I believe still the term is sufficient that is accurate the British royal Navy considered her a battle cruiser as such she wasn't a fast Battleship or a battleship the more I read into how tortured her design phase was and then how rushed her construction phase was I'm just more convinced now than I was 10 years ago that the HMS Hood was simply the wrong vessel to send after Bismarck. Drac as you said before she's had thicker armor belts than the proceeding dreadnoughts that came before her the Queen Elizabeth's she certainly has comparable Parliament but I still don't think that makes her a battleship I think the real reason they gave her 12-in belts were she was being rushed for participation in battle lines during the first world war that's it they did not revise all of her other armor geometry in any way shape or form and like I said earlier on your channel sir and in this particular comment the British government Royal Navy people of her time called her a battle cruiser I've never seen any official correspondence documents or proclamations that ever said she was anything other than an admiral class battle cruiser she was certainly not a fast battleship the title bestowed upon her by others not her operators. Now I have no problem with people putting Hood in the same caliber or category as other Capital ships she certainly was as similar to Bismarck as she could have been but Bismarck was designed as a high-speed battleship much better effective use of armor and hoods real Advantage if you ask me before the battle would have been her highly experienced crew which was cannibalized before she was dispatched after Bismarck. So whoever gave that order I think is more responsible then the Bismarck mechanically she was in dire need of overhaul and modernization and which she never received it anyone's guess I still contend Hood was the battle cruiser should have been modernized into a battleship HMS Vanguard should have been an aircraft carrier twitch Vanguard with a properly been more viable effective and retained longer than 1969 certainly wouldn't have been an over glorified Yacht for the Royal Family
I am a huge longtime fan, but I just have to stick my nose in here for a minute. I grew up in Raleigh North Carolina. The 2-hour drive to Wilmington took me to the USS North Carolina when I was 5 years old, in the early seventies. I really hate to complain, but I cringed a little bit every time I heard Drach pronounce Raleigh. Not Rowley, Rah Lee. I'm sorry. That is all.
"00:05:48 - Would a USN heavy cruiser sink to the same attacks that sunk Helena and Phoenix?" Don't modern torpedoes attack ships by exploding under the ship instead of actual striking the hull (contact detonator) or exploding near the hull (magnetic detonator)? Therefore were the torpedo hits on Belgrano using the modern method or more like WWII methods? If the modern method then did Belgrano suffer major structural damage that a WWII torpedo strike wouldn't have caused?
The torpedoes that hit the Belgrano were old contact fused types. The RN did have a modern torpedo at the time, the Tigerfish, but it was regarded as unreliable and also had a smaller warhead, the Belgrano, as a WWII cruiser had a chunky main armour belt, 5.5 inches thick. Modern warships don't have that. Basically the RN used a WWII era torpedo design to sink a WWII era cruiser.
Where is here?? Is here there? If here is there, then is there here? I'm confused! Is here everywhere but there? Then there would be everywhere but here. My head hurts?
If you like books about engineering and have an interest is space ships, read moon machines by Thomas J. Kelly, chief engineer of the Lunar Module. It explains the concurrent engineering and technical challenges of designing a vehicle whose specs weren't complete when design was started and sucessfully took people to the moon.
Min/Maxing is not just an rpg term, it's applied in all sorts of environments. It may not be called "min/maxing" but it 100% is. Capitalists *LOVE* min/maxing for profit to drive share prices.
For Museum Ships I've been to the North Carolina and The Yorktown I want to See the Alabama and Texas When she gets Finished and if I could see Hornet and Midway I would love it and Massachusetts
2:08:52 This is the worst. I have a book, granted a pretty entry-level "Great Battleships Through History" sort of thing, and on the last page is a picture of a remote drone being used on USS North Carolina during Operation Desert Storm. Again granted it was a sort of elementary school book fair kind of book, but still, it makes you doubt everything else in it.
The Amphitrite mutiny was a "little bit unique"? Something is either unique or not unique, the word does not accept a qualifier. Similarly "et cetera" covers "and others" and should not need to be repeated.
destroyer used hooks to catch submarine i saw this in a movie called below from 2002. submarine themed horror movie in the movie you see how the destroyer used hooks to damage the submarine is this something that has happened in real life and if so how often?
I think this was mentioned in a previous Drydock, but no, there was never any effort to use hooks or any kind of trawling gear to damage submarines. It was certainly discussed during WWI as one of several ways to fight submarines, along with our favorite idea of sending out the ships boats so a man could attack the periscope with a hammer, but all of that was dismissed when the depth charge was invented.
"Was HMS Hood the best ship in the interwar period?" Hood? what about CV-2 & CV-3, and lets add Akagi. People were holding on to Battleships as the heart of the fleet as Aircraft Carriers were still theory. That changed when the shooting started.
This is true when you’re talking strictly about the ships themselves, but the problem is that Akagi, Lexington, and Saratoga (and carriers in general) only rendered battleships obsolete in the 30s after people figured out how to use them properly. So that argument applies more for all 29 battleships built in the 30s/40s than for Hood.
Sorry you had to contend with some Room Temp IQ Road Scholars but alas due to natural selection being curtailed to a certain degree by "modern society" we're all bound to run into them more often than we'd please. I saw something that's humorous and just might hit home lol. ENGINEER (noun) en-juh-neer Someone who does precision guess work based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge. See also WIZARD, MAGICIAN lol thought it might bring a smile.
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As a followup to the question regarding the gun outside the Yamato museum, I note that said gun does not appear to be properly secured. So presuming that the unfortunates tasked with firing the gun had the sense to be a long way off to one side with an equally long lanyard...where would the gun end up and how much damage would it do in the process of getting there?
Speaking of PC games and naval games, have you heard of BattleStar Galactica Deadlock?
If not, have a look. It's great for fragging toasters, you have some very nice ships to command and more than a few game modes, campaigns to run through.
As well, have you heard of Naval War Arctic Circle and of course the classic, Homeworld? Any of the titles in the series?
Any thoughts, comments you'd like to share?
Given that one of the biggest problems with the Ohka was its fairly-short range, could making it a two-stage weapon (basically adding a booster stage onto the back to get it up to speed and altitude) have bumped its range up enough to allow it to be usefully launched from land bases at Allied ships or at least to allow mother aircraft to launch them from outside the range of Allied AA and far enough away to make it dangerous for CAP aircraft to go chasing after the motherplanes?
Hello Drach. Have you heard of the "Spring Styles" series of books? Each book contains dozens of plans for warships, most never made. Book 1 and 3 are free online. If you have skimmed these before, what's your favorite design proposal in them?
Talking about British Admirals; and who was an actual admiral, got me thinking. The fleet that faced the Spanish Armada was something of an ad hoc organization. When; make that over what period of time, did the Royal Navy become a modern military organization? Modern in the sense that it had developed standards of training, ranks with well defined roles for officers at each rank and an organization of fleets and command; like the red, white and blue squadrons, and fully organized logistics, planning and building functions.
Are there any specific people who were deserve credit for this change from an ad-hoc organization to a permanent and more professional one? And, were some of these changes already under weigh at the time of the Spanish Armada?
Bravo Drach. The Salvage at Pearl Harbor Series is a classic example of what happens when a group of Geek Engineers sits around a table with a couple pitchers of beer. Some really interesting ideas end up being discussed. Always be nice to the geeks, you'll probably end up working for one.
Thats my favorite series.
The Pearl Harbor Salvage series got me hooked on this channel, only to find out exactly how much content Drach had created for me to wade through. I will endeavor to persevere, though!
1:52:44 "Once you start taking into account AIRCRAFT, everything starts flying around all over the place". Drach's wry humour at it's finest. This channel is GOLD! (On so many levels)
More than 5 hours of Drachinifel on the weekend, and I haven’t gotten to and counted in the live Drydock yet. That mandates a thumbs up on all three videos.
2:19:10 "The Mark XIII can detect and lock on to gunnery targets up to 25 nautical miles, ie 46 kilometers, roughly speaking, which is a lot of yards". Thats the precision that I look for in Drachs videos :D
Or 50,000 yards plus a little more than 625 yards off the top of my head
Regarding anchors, it's not the anchor it self that needs cleaning, even in modern ships, they look like they are inside, but they are in a pocketin the hull, still outside.
it's the chain that is cleaned, because the chain goes inside the ship. The cleaning goes with the fire pump, the fire line is connected to the hawse pipe, and before hoisting the anchor a vlave is opned to flush all the clay and such off.
Replacing an anchor is actually quite easy. it can be done by the crew. most anchors are standard sized.
a pov from a modern merhcant navy sailor.
Excellent response. I would add that in the age of sail, anchors were attached via cable hawsers (heavy rope) not chain. This hawser didn't lay in the mud the way a chain does, nor did it hold onto mud the way a chain does, so less need to clean. That said, there are accounts of how nasty the cable tier would smell in the days after getting underweigh after an extended period at anchor.
While doing some clean up on my phone tonight I discovered to my absolute horror that I had only watched half of this video. Thank God I didn't die in the interim and have been able to finish it now :)
The thought of leaving a Drach video unwatched is an anathema to me.
As a teenager I loved the Avalon Hill Jutland game, as I loved all AH games. Of course, with my brother, we made all kinds of additions and what we saw as corrections. But this game was one thing that really encouraged me to research into naval history. We would expand the game, with our limited knowledge, to include other navies such as Austria-Hungary, France, Italy and Russia and think how things might have gone.
I loved the Pearl Harbor salvage videos because it was some really fascinating engineering - and pretty horrific for the salvage crews, who were incredibly brave in a different way.
I agree, I had never before considered the mental challenge of having to enter these tombs, upside-down, completely coating in black bunker oil, the stink, the sharp metal, and risk of poison gas... Horrifying, and these salvors did it day after day until the job was done.
5hrs of drydock? I never been more thankful for my insomnia 😂
Not at all surprised by the success of the Salvage at Pearl Harbour videos. Leaving aside the fact that you are an erudite historian/engineer and present your work in a very accessible and engaging way, the sheer scale and complexity of that effort boggles the mind. Fascinating stuff.
I admit, I experience a bit of joy every time the Des Moines class cruisers get mentioned. My father served on the USS Newport News (CA-148) (Regina Maris) during Vietnam. He was a lowly Machinist Mate (MMC) in Engine Room 3 (I think). His best friend was in charge of Engine Room 1, which was always pristine and always dropped the load when demand came. Engine Room 3 looked (in his words) "Like a Shit Hole", but was always able to answer bells. They were always getting slammed on inspections, but almost always available when needed.
Reminds me of the line from the Army.
"A combat-ready unit will never pass inspection. An inspection-ready unit will never pass combat."
My introduction to naval history was S.E. Morison's "History of United States Naval Operations in World War II." I got a volume each year as a Christmas gift, starting in the mid-1950s, and then, upon college graduation, perhaps a decade later, I bought myself the remaining few volumes as a graduation gift. Morison has been shown to be in error about numerous things, but (partial explanation), especially in the Pacific, there were few Japanese sources available, even fewer in English, until recent years, after Morison had passed on, and he didn't have access to some American and other allied sources until very late in his writing career, or they weren't available until after he'd died. I've read many others since finishing the series (I still have the books), but Morison was the first "real" historian.
@Drachinifel, the plain answer to "Oh, no, it was scuttled" is :"If you were forced to scuttle, you were sunk all the same." Don't let the scuttloons bother you. If the ship was "unsinkable", the crew itself clearly didn't believe it, and pulled the plugs anyway.
Scuttling a ship is no different than an armored division destroying its tanks and surrendering, albeit with less swimming involved.
Anyone else re-watched the HMAS Armadale yet? Bet it exceeds 100k in coming days. Fascinating and moving....indeed one for Drach to be proud of👏👏👏
@Drach, ref: Pearl Harbor salvage videos, you covered something that a lot of people including me who have consumed vast amounts of print and video media about Pearl Harbor have never seen before ("Tora Tora Tora" and "Patton" were the first movies I watched without adult supervision). Where past references waved a magic wand and made post-battle actions invisible, you broke it down in heart-breaking but necessary detail.
For the last century plus most anchors are stowed either totally within or partially within the Hawse pipe. The Hawse pipe often had nozzles within it or just outside where water could be sprayed on to the Chain to clean it. With a clay bottom the chain can emerge looking like a tube and the anchor as a solid looking block. The clay must be washed off as if it goes into the chain lockers it can block the suction. The clay would laugh at buckets of water.
I would want you to curate for Olympia and you'd have a friend across the river. I believe in your skill as a historiography and engineer.
Considering the fact that Olympia and Texas were or are struggling to find the funds for repairs, the US is probably at the limit of museum ships
Afraid this is not a naval question, but I haven't found the answer anywhere else, and its importance to the naval war with Japan is immediately apparent. It seems to be commonly agreed by historians that the Far Eastern Air Force bombers based on Luzon could have and should have preemptively attacked the Japanese air bases on Formosa on Dec. 8, 1941, once it was known that Pearl Harbor had been attacked. Trying this would at least have been better than what in fact happened -- being caught on the ground and destroyed. But could they have hit the Japanese first? Formosa is not a small place; did the U.S. even know where the Japanese bases were located? MacArthur is apparently on the record as stating, after the war, that an attack on Formosa "would not have worked." He apparently didn't say why it wouldn't have worked. The obvious reason could be there was no reconnaissance in hand to say where to bomb.
A perfect Saturday night. A double Drach drop!!
No German ship was ever sunk ever, they just went on special submersion operations.
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Drach double tap…perfect for my weekend! 👍🏻
Regarding museum ships Britain has the shame of not keeping Warspite, but America has the continual embarrassment of letting Enterprise go to the scrappers.
@Drachinifel When it comes to "cleaning the anchors," one of the things that more modern vessels have is they have a fire main somewhere near the anchor so that 1) you can cool the metal-on-metal friction when you have to emergency release an anchor (or you rig a hose from a nearby hydrant to achieve the same) and 2) you rig the same while bringing up the anchor so that you can wash the sludge away out of the same tunnel the chain is raised through before the windlass pulls it over and up into the chain locker. This is modern merchant navy "good practice."
Regarding anchor lowering, even when under control, we usually rigged and ran the cooling as a "just in case" scenario
The PH salvage series was great, distilling a lot of info into what is a relatively short and watchable series.
One of the reasons why anchor cables had to be cleaned before the locker was the use of a powered capstain chain loop (prior to drum winches) with clips to fasten the anchor cable to it -hence mud might obscure links making instaling removing clips even more hazardous.
I'd say my favorite series was the one on the Battle of Jutland.
Rather have hours with Drach than my family. I love my family and they are great. But I need Drach right now.
Have read where RMS Queen Mary has increased funding from the California city of Long Beach . They checked out the hull by ultrasound and this looks quite good. More work to evaluate ballast tanks. Have read reports from last year stating that the ship needs much work. Not sure how much more funding is necessary to fix the problems. Looks like they want to make the ship a floating hotel again. They should keep the historical appearance and artifacts. The RMS Queen Mary served as a troop ship in WW2 due to her speed. After the war the ship was reconverted to an ocean liner again.
The other thing about moving _Nagato_ is the manner of boarding. For a ship at the pier, you just walk on, or raise the gangplank or even put up a ladder. For a ship at anchor, you must approach and then a stairway or ladder will be lowered to your boat. The ship's crew is _allowing you_ to come aboard, further preserving some of their honor.
Regarding _USS Missouri,_ I had the privilege of visiting it in the late 1990s when it was on display in Bremerton, WA for *ONE DAY* prior to being towed to Hawaii for permanent display.
My biggest surprise? I didn’t realize that it and other battleships had *WOODEN* decks.
Loved the rant, Sir.
British penetration tests of proposed HOOD side armor showed that the 7" upper belt just above the the joint with the inclined 12" waterline belt, if penetrated by a slightly downward-moving APC shell -- the British 15" Greanboy APC shells were used in these tests -- with a delay-action base fuze (HOOD armor was designed when non-delay fuzes were used by the British and almost all other nations), would penetrate intact and having only the 2" HT turtleback deck plate to stop the shell, which was totally inadequate. A 3" horizontal HT plate was added to cover the gap with the 2" turtleback plate under it and this stopped the 15" shell from going downward, eliminating the weakness. However, in the actual ship construction, to save weight, this improvement was only done along the magazine areas front and back and the bulkheads between the magazines and the engine/boiler room spaces remained only about 0.75-1" HT steel, making the end propulsion plant spaces essentially part of the magazines. Thus, a hit with a delay-action-fuzed large-caliber APC shell in this side-armor weakness region along the amidships area that penetrated into that propulsion space and detonated in the end propulsion plant space would blow fragments and blast into the nearby magazine and KABLOOY!!!, no more HOOD. This is highly likely the way HOOD was destroyed by BISMARCK, since the vulnerable regions in HOOD side armor near the magazines are rather large.
I am endlessly fascinated with the Royal Navy of WWII, I enjoy playing Hearts of Iron and the UK is by far my favorite power to play with. Love your work!
Another great set of questions, another great Drydock.
I always reach the end of every drydock, no exceptions. Been doing it ever since dryock number one. (Which if I remember correctly was around 20 minutes)
Really enjoyed the Pearl Harbor salvage series and Admiral's series: Fisher, King, Lee, et al...
Drac - just to add to dispatches - they also sent multiple copies of dispatches (labelling each copy 1, 2 etc) by several ships to ensure redundancy in case of shipwreck or capture. You often see this in archives. None of this ringing Mrs Thatcher for permission to sink the Belgrano nonsense!
Regarding communication in the age of sail, it also seems to have been the practice for ships meeting mid-ocean to exchange news with each other, so each would know what had been happening at the other ship's departure point - useful if this was also their own destination.
Re listening to this just now and the museum ships question made me think. Although Drach's answer would appear totally correct I think there is another point to be made. Countries with a greater/longer naval history/culture will have more ships. I've not done the calculations but I'd be surprised if the UK doesn't have the largest number of museum ships either by per capita or per square mile of land. If we don't (yes I'm a Brit) we are really failing our history
Q & A - Drach - have you ever done a video about ship's torpedo protection, from nets to hull bulges, etc? I've seen many photos of WWI and older ships with the torpedo net outriggers stowed against the hull but have never seen any photos with the net outriggers deployed with the net in protection mode. If you have already done a video about this, could you please link it? Thanks shipmate!
Poor Drack asked which of his children he is most proud off.
Considering the Amphitrite Mutiny, I guess the Admiralty wanted to TRY to show that they were going to punish people for insubordination but they made sure that the ones they did punish weren't punished too severely cuz they knew that those individuals were right. But they were trying to make sure that the one mutiny didn't escalate to be a large outbreak of mutinies.
Missed opportunity in the HMS Nemesis segment to diverge into a discussion of the Charpy Impact Test. 😉
The first escort carrier, HMS Audacity, was converted from a German merchant ship and retained its first-class passenger accommodation, which was used to house the pilots, so they had a lot more space than was usual even in a purpose-built carrier. (This comes from "Wings on my Sleeve" by Eric Brown.)
The ship was a Refrigerated Cargo liner, she would have had accommodation for 12.
At roughly 33:00 or 34:00 you were talking about museum ships. And you said that $2 to $3 million THIS year can save $30 million years later! I would just like to say that is very true! And if you think about it, basically common sense will tell you, these ships are very large & made of metal. And anything that is made of metal & is around a salt air environment is VERY prone to RUST. To borrow a phrase from Neil Young "Rust never sleeps!" So any metal that is exposed is not only going to rust but rust quickly in the salt air/water. And these ships are huge so they require not just some paint but LARGE amounts of paint.
And you also spoke about Cruise Ships that are museum ships not having as many visitors as War ship museum ships. And although they are both a part of history, the thought of paying to see a Cruise Ship, it just doesn't appeal to me at all. Even going on a vacation Cruise Ship to go somewhere doesn't interest me either. But the thought of seeing any & every war ship I can does. It is just sad I don't have the cash to see any.
The Lady Hood is a "Great Ship" because so many of us loved her. for many it is because it was because she was so awesome, for others it is patriotism, for still more it is because family served upon her.
That said, all that is required for people to love the Lady as a "Great Ship" is just that- they love Her because she is a "Great Ship."
there is not so much fanfare for BB59, and she survives.
Aside from UB-68 being scuttled. The HMS Seraph(former U-110) and U-505 would seem to contradict the scuttling of all ships.
Thank you for the video, it also depends on the emphasis of the navy in national historic interest, for example US and UK are heavily dependent on and proud of their navy, while in France or maybe Germany, interest is a bit more shared between the army, airforce and navy with a big emphasis on airforce thus the visitors and fundings...
It is also dependant on the gloriousness of a part of history, like France WWII is not so much attractive as anyone can understand, whereas Napoleonic war ships like the rebuilding of the Hermione frigate is a bit more attractive in French view...
41:03 Considering (as far as I know) that all the 1920s battleship and battlecruiser designs that featured 15-inch guns all had only 15"/50s in the designs and a 15”-armed Nelson is still to use triple turrets, I wouldn’t really see any reason to use the 15"/42 Mark I gun instead of the 15"/50 planned for the J3s. I don’t know what the F2 and F3 battlecruisers were designed to use specifically outside of them being 15-inch guns, but I’d imagine they would also be 15"/50s.
I loved the Pearl Harbor Salvage series you did.
Does anyone know where to find the video about HMS Armadale/Armadillo (I may have these names wrong) that was mentioned in this Q&A. Many thanks 👍
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5 hours of drydock. Let's go
1:24:54 Personally, I think they would drop the Amagi for either a Kii or Number 13 class, as both ships are same speed as an Amagi, but with all around better armor than both Tosa and Amagi (11.5” belt/4.7” deck on Kii and 13” belt/5” deck on N13 vs. 9.85” belt/3.742” deck on Amagi and 11” belt/4” deck on Tosa), and gets the same main armament with Kii (ten 16.14”/45 guns) but better main armament with N13 (eight 18.11”/50 guns). Knowing Japan, they could always pull a Yamato and lie about the gun-caliber of the 46 cm/50 5th Year Type anyway.
35:17 Talking about "preventive maintenance" Mark Novak of the Anvil gunsmith channel ask " When does neglect become "patina"?"' Doing the maintenance is always cheaper in the long run
It's like in the TV shows featuring antiques & "pickers". Patina just sounds nicer than plain, old "dirty".
1:06:00 can someone please link the video of the interview with the WW2 vet Drach mentioned?
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@@Drachinifel Appreciate it, great work.
1:44:58 ROFL, admiral, Colville, demonstrating the polite and proper English aggression right there.
Wow! I have Avalon-Hill's Jutland. I played a 1 v 1 against a friend more than 25 years ago. I chose SMS Pommern. That was the only German ship whose name I could pronounce.
Very interesting video. I learned a lot.
One comment I found odd was the average oil consumption. This side of the pond it is unusual to need to add oil between services in cars.
My diesels Discovery 3 with 190k miles never needs any and nor do any of my other cars.
Even my JD tractor with 8000hrs doesn’t.
I can only assume this is due to the detergents and additives in UK fuels.
Do you think this is the case?
00:40:57 - In hindsight, would the Nelsons have been better ships if they had been armed with nine BL 15-inch Mk I naval guns in three turrets?
Personally, for me, the more interesting counterfactual to explore is what if the British argued that in exchange for letting the Japanese and Americans keep all of their 16''-gunned battleships, Britain was allowed to have two Admiral-Class battlecruisers? Instead of the Nelsons + HMS Hood, Britain instead got to keep HMS Hood and complete another Admiral Class, giving them two of what was arguably the world's most powerful capital ships in exchange for their rivals having a handful of ships with marginally more firepower at long range?
Royal Navy Vs. The 2nd Pacific Squadron would have meant that the Kamchatka never would have had to worry about Japanese Torpedo Boats again!
wrt the question about the Nelsons being armed with 15" guns, that would not have impacted the choice of 14" on the KGVs. I looked in to the question of the KGV armament decision, combining information in books by Garzke, Raven, and Friedman, as well as other sources. The Admiralty's own analysts, in the fall of 35, said that a 9-15" armament would give a better balanced ship than the 12-14" alternative that was contemplated. The analysts said the only reason 14" would be selected would be if required by treaty. Someone in the USN, in the fall of 35, said they would be open to a 14" standard, if Japan agreed. That gave the "influencer" in the Admiralty the excuse to promote 14". Of course, the entire notion of Japan agreeing to anything was a pipe dream. When Japan announced, in December of 34, they were dropping out of the treaty system, they said they were open to a new conference and a new treaty, only if Japan was given parity with the US and UK, (which was not going to happen). This was widely reported in the newspapers at that time. Orders for the KGV armament had to be entered by late 35, to meet the build schedule for ships laid down in 37, so the decision to go 14" was made in late 35, before the Second London conference started. Who was the "influencer" and why? The "who" appears to be First Sea Lord Chatfield. The "why" appears to be an embrace of the "more smaller guns equals more hits" theory, a theory the USN had argued, and rejected, twenty years earlier.
Clearly you are wrong on USS Constitution. She could stop anything thrown at her, be it a 32lber all the way to an IJN 460mm BCAP rd from Yamato. They don’t hand out the nick name “Old Ironsides” flippantly.
I had unreasonable expectations of the Constitution until Drach described her as a "Super Frigate". Then a lot of the things said about her made more sense.
@@mooseflunky4569falls into the crack of not quite a 4th rate SotL, but more than an ordinary frigate
I will have to say this to our great host, there's always going to be somebody out there saying something to irritate you because they know for a fact it's going to irritate you. LOL, I guess that means Yamato scuttled itself before all the bombs hit?
1:11:00 We all know the real reason that Drach likes the Constitution is because they let him shoot a cannon.
Drachinifel - At 45:39 it appears that you have a photo of CV-13, USS Franklin when she is being scrapped. The port forward part of her flight deck was removed while she was at Bayonne in mothballs to repair the USS Valley Forge - Am I correct regarding the identity of the carrier in the photo? My Dad was a GM3c on the Franklin.
wrt torpedo boats in the Philippines, the USN had torpedo boats there in 41, PT boats. The USN had not built larger, steam powered, torpedo boats since 1905. The last class of torpedo boats, the 200 ton Blakely class, spent most of their time tied up in reserve in the US, as their construction overlapped the building of the first class of destroyers, the 420 ton Bainbridge class. I considered how the Blakelys could have been moved to the Philippines, given their small size and short range. The best scenario I came up with was building a cradle in the Dewey drydock to hold six of them, as the Dewey was towed to the Philippines in 1906. They would have been redundant however, as the first five Bainbridges had steamed to the Philippines under their own power in 1904.
The Philippines Navy itself (known as the Offshore Patrol during the commonwealth period prior to WWII) had a handful of smaller motorboats and PT boats (avg. 60ft. in length), along with the USN's boats made famous under John Bulkeley. Instead of 600-ton ships which would have been spotted from the air (at least after they made 1 attack and gave their general appearance away), proper pre-war funding for the Patrol would have included many more PT boats (77 ft.) which could stay under camouflage virtually anywhere in the islands and carry a variety of weapons packages.
@@stuartwald2395 the problem with the PT boats was lack of time to build up a fleet. The Navy was still testing the prototypes in the first half of 41. The WWI vintage SC class subchasers and Eagle boats were not designed to carry torpedoes, and could only manage 18 kts.
A youtubeclip with the simple title 'Why didn't Hannibal attack Rome? ⚔ Hannibal (Part 7) - Second Punic War' Explains the fleet tactics during the second punic wars second year.
Red Storm Rising...was my favorite book, what's yours?
OOOOOOO I love the question at about 1:01:00.
General Belgrano's age should probably be taken into account.
I got through all 5hrs. But it took me a couple weeks to do it.
Is anyone else getting that notification sound in the background ?
How can a professional engineer not know that anything about Development of things we can understand is fascinating ?
21:30 - I probably shouldn't've laughed as hard at that as I did...
1:25:26 - I see we have a fan of the anime series High School Fleet amongst us
Alright Drac lad
Any chance of a video about the IJN Shimakaze or Kagero please
The Shimakaze video has been done
It's still a fact that hood was 4/5 of the way to being a proper battleship the HMS Hood I would still argue was not the best ship to send after the Bismarck she was a just as capable of not Superior capital ship upon her Commission I believe still the term is sufficient that is accurate the British royal Navy considered her a battle cruiser as such she wasn't a fast Battleship or a battleship the more I read into how tortured her design phase was and then how rushed her construction phase was I'm just more convinced now than I was 10 years ago that the HMS Hood was simply the wrong vessel to send after Bismarck.
Drac as you said before she's had thicker armor belts than the proceeding dreadnoughts that came before her the Queen Elizabeth's she certainly has comparable Parliament but I still don't think that makes her a battleship I think the real reason they gave her 12-in belts were she was being rushed for participation in battle lines during the first world war that's it they did not revise all of her other armor geometry in any way shape or form and like I said earlier on your channel sir and in this particular comment the British government Royal Navy people of her time called her a battle cruiser I've never seen any official correspondence documents or proclamations that ever said she was anything other than an admiral class battle cruiser she was certainly not a fast battleship the title bestowed upon her by others not her operators.
Now I have no problem with people putting Hood in the same caliber or category as other Capital ships she certainly was as similar to Bismarck as she could have been but Bismarck was designed as a high-speed battleship much better effective use of armor and hoods real Advantage if you ask me before the battle would have been her highly experienced crew which was cannibalized before she was dispatched after Bismarck.
So whoever gave that order I think is more responsible then the Bismarck mechanically she was in dire need of overhaul and modernization and which she never received it anyone's guess I still contend Hood was the battle cruiser should have been modernized into a battleship HMS Vanguard should have been an aircraft carrier twitch Vanguard with a properly been more viable effective and retained longer than 1969 certainly wouldn't have been an over glorified Yacht for the Royal Family
I am a huge longtime fan, but I just have to stick my nose in here for a minute. I grew up in Raleigh North Carolina. The 2-hour drive to Wilmington took me to the USS North Carolina when I was 5 years old, in the early seventies.
I really hate to complain, but I cringed a little bit every time I heard Drach pronounce Raleigh. Not Rowley, Rah Lee. I'm sorry. That is all.
I've been a chicken. Didn't dare to log into live Drydock, but atleast I've survived the recorded sections.
"00:05:48 - Would a USN heavy cruiser sink to the same attacks that sunk Helena and Phoenix?"
Don't modern torpedoes attack ships by exploding under the ship instead of actual striking the hull (contact detonator) or exploding near the hull (magnetic detonator)? Therefore were the torpedo hits on Belgrano using the modern method or more like WWII methods? If the modern method then did Belgrano suffer major structural damage that a WWII torpedo strike wouldn't have caused?
The torpedoes that hit the Belgrano were old contact fused types. The RN did have a modern torpedo at the time, the Tigerfish, but it was regarded as unreliable and also had a smaller warhead, the Belgrano, as a WWII cruiser had a chunky main armour belt, 5.5 inches thick. Modern warships don't have that. Basically the RN used a WWII era torpedo design to sink a WWII era cruiser.
Where is here?? Is here there? If here is there, then is there here? I'm confused! Is here everywhere but there? Then there would be everywhere but here. My head hurts?
If you like books about engineering and have an interest is space ships, read moon machines by Thomas J. Kelly, chief engineer of the Lunar Module. It explains the concurrent engineering and technical challenges of designing a vehicle whose specs weren't complete when design was started and sucessfully took people to the moon.
Nobody expects the Spanish Armada!
Min/Maxing is not just an rpg term, it's applied in all sorts of environments. It may not be called "min/maxing" but it 100% is. Capitalists *LOVE* min/maxing for profit to drive share prices.
For Museum Ships I've been to the North Carolina and The Yorktown I want to See the Alabama and Texas When she gets Finished and if I could see Hornet and Midway I would love it and Massachusetts
I thought for sure the most annoying thing was not getting to talk about the Kamchatka nearly as much as he'd like. :)
The Constitution had the best gunnery radar in history.
I'm the annoying Australian pointing out that you mispronounced Yarra.
2:08:52
This is the worst. I have a book, granted a pretty entry-level "Great Battleships Through History" sort of thing, and on the last page is a picture of a remote drone being used on USS North Carolina during Operation Desert Storm. Again granted it was a sort of elementary school book fair kind of book, but still, it makes you doubt everything else in it.
The Amphitrite mutiny was a "little bit unique"? Something is either unique or not unique, the word does not accept a qualifier. Similarly "et cetera" covers "and others" and should not need to be repeated.
Great Britain should have kept the Warspite....
made it...took 3 days to do all 5 hours+, but...
destroyer used hooks to catch submarine i saw this in a movie called below from
2002. submarine themed horror movie in the movie you see how the destroyer used hooks to damage the submarine is this something that has happened in real life and if so how often?
I think this was mentioned in a previous Drydock, but no, there was never any effort to use hooks or any kind of trawling gear to damage submarines. It was certainly discussed during WWI as one of several ways to fight submarines, along with our favorite idea of sending out the ships boats so a man could attack the periscope with a hammer, but all of that was dismissed when the depth charge was invented.
What about Drake = a male duck?
"Was HMS Hood the best ship in the interwar period?"
Hood? what about CV-2 & CV-3, and lets add Akagi. People were holding on to Battleships as the heart of the fleet as Aircraft Carriers were still theory. That changed when the shooting started.
This is true when you’re talking strictly about the ships themselves, but the problem is that Akagi, Lexington, and Saratoga (and carriers in general) only rendered battleships obsolete in the 30s after people figured out how to use them properly.
So that argument applies more for all 29 battleships built in the 30s/40s than for Hood.
Sorry you had to contend with some Room Temp IQ Road Scholars but alas due to natural selection being curtailed to a certain degree by "modern society" we're all bound to run into them more often than we'd please. I saw something that's humorous and just might hit home lol. ENGINEER (noun) en-juh-neer Someone who does precision guess work based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge. See also WIZARD, MAGICIAN lol thought it might bring a smile.
"Iron"ically enough ...hehe
The same bs about Japan scuttled their own ships every time gets me.