I have a Transit custom by Orange campers: it's my daily driver. It was easy to compare with the Monza and I was was quite impressed until I saw the problem with the cupboards and the diesel heater outlet. I can only imagine the frustration of sleeping and living in the Monza. So, thank you for confirming that I have made the right choice.
Over 2m talk means a third more expensive on French autoroutes. Over 5m long is next price bracket on ferries and train. Under 2m will get you into most 'car' parking sites. Considerations when traveling.
All the comments on here knocking the transit are laughable. They’ve either been scrolling the net and reading about the people who haven’t bothered to service them or haven’t bothered themselves. The facts are, statistically the cam belt in the 2.0 diesel is no less likely to go than any other. The reality is 1000’s of transit owners used to run the old chains into the ground and you just can’t do that anymore. All cambelts need to be serviced. The only difference is it now costs around 1k compared to 600 quid as the engine side plate needs to be removed. So I wouldn’t let put you off the new transporter. The engines are quieter, smoother and more efficient. As for hybrid, I can’t comment - I own a transit custom and an ID. In three years the Ford hasn’t missed a beat, the electric VW engine however is sporadic and drains dramatically in the cold. Not good for a camper. Diesel still firmly has its place in my opinion.
Thank you Andy. These things can often get blown out of proportion, nobody talks about the day they had a trouble free day with no mechanical problems. There are reported problems with the engine, just like there are with VW’s DPF, Nissan’s oil feeders, Renault’s ignition packs etc etc. Due to the popularity and huge sales, people will often hear about it. I have heard both sides both positive and negative for the Ford and the VW. The Ford and VW have been high on the reliability tables, would they be if a high percentage of them failed? No.
The issue isn’t that a cambelt is a serviceable item its that Ford said it was a 10 year or 150k mile replacement. Then they didn’t treat customers whose engines failed fairly, they left them with nothing. In the US due to different legal risks, they did replace them, but not in Europe. It is a design fault that they haven’t addressed. Hence why fleet buyers have stopped getting them, and why there is a high availability for van conversions and motorhomes. The cost is £1,000 plus vat, so for those who aren’t able to recover the VAT it’s £1200 and that is now maybe every 50k miles not 150k miles. So the calculation is that a vehicle doing 100k miles will need £2,400 in cambelt changes not zero. That will affect residual values too. Lots of people blaming owners for using the wrong grade of oil, but even vehicles with 100% dealer service history are failing and some at less than 50k miles. When the belt starts to disintegrate, parts of the belt get sucked into the brake vacuum pump and go through all the oil ways causing blockages. So its not as simple as just replacing the belt when that happens, and its either an expensive strip down or a new engine. Current pricing is £7,000. To make it worse for motorhomes, I doubt the engine will enjoy being left in storage through the winter, with part of the belt left in oil and the rest drying. When you come to start it up after storage I expect the belt to suffer wear. Too many people have had problems, those that have done the research avoid them. This will drive the price down, so go ahead and grab yourself a bargain.
@@fatbikemontage2931 Yes Ford messed up with 150k - no cambelt can go 150k without risk. They now recommend 6yr or 60k I think. ‘People have stopped buying for fleet cos of this problem’ nonsense! They were increasing in the Motorhome industry as Ford had its production sorted through global supply problems (which is why the new transporter will be made as the same plant with same engine and chassis) The biggest risk to accelerating degradation is the dpf filter not having chance to burn off diesel residue - for leisure vehicles this is the least risk (low mileage and long journeys) if this is a massive issue to the point where big fleet are no longer buying them (which will serve most of their sales) then why are they continuing production of the same engine and now have the 2nd biggest competitor on board (transporter) now using this engine? It just doesn’t stack up does it? I’m not denying people haven’t had issues or defending Ford but customs outsell any other vehicle on the road so if people are doing their research via a few loud net groups, they should make sure they know the context behind it. Bottom line is all cambelts should be replaced at around 60k or 5-6 years
@@andymcroxford It’s ok to replace an external belt, but Ford designed this engine such that this would be much more difficult, cause they miscalculated the wear rate and degradation. A design fault they expect customers to pay for. It’s ruining their reputation. They will still get fleet sales, but they have to discount the vehicles to offset the increased total cost of ownership. Fleets who have had issues Ford haven’t stood by them for have moved away. You need to look at what’s happening at VW, they aren’t doing so well themselves and need to restructure their business.
Question, are you saying Ford replacing a system that worked for years and could be abused without problem with a fragile system that is more difficult/ expensive when it needs it’s more frequent and absolutely required service isn’t piss poor engineering? Just trying to understand.
They could have been a main stream inovator and gone no gas all electric with a clayton unit and induction hob and driven the market to a whole new place but all theyve done is make a super expensive but "safe and accreited" version of what everyone else is doing but charging the earth for it. Plus its on a transit lol. Please tell me this van is chain driven at least! Solar, off grid capable and on a relianble chasis could have been a great selling point. Only my opinion though
There are now a few manufacturers trying to do that. In fact I think Swift have got an all electric caravan (maybe just a prototype) Regarding super expensive, you may see that against equally spec’d vehicles, this will probably be well priced. Don’t get me wrong, it’s big money, but when some poorly spec’d vans start at even more than this it’s “well priced” in comparison. With the new Transporter being wet belt also, for diesel, I’m not sure how buyers are going to respond to that, even with no gas etc
It’s a shame that the matt black finishes look like they easily mark with fingerprints which would annoy me but despite my minor problem! Nice practical van. 😊
My can is similar in design Cupboards we get out what we need before putting bed down. Toilet we slide under bed last thing before bed if we don’t have the awning. Love the sliding bed in our Wellhouse.
Don’t know what campervans you’ve been looking at but firms like Autocampers have always been on two sliding door versions and have external shower and bbq point as well as underslung water and waste tanks.
This looks great until I seen the internal water filling point. What on earth were Swift thinking? Wet luggage and puddles inside the van. I'd want it shifted to where the external bbq point is if it's possible.
Same layout as many campervans at present. If I wanted one I'd get a JDM conversion from someone like Wellhouse with all the warranties for half the price.
@@williamfence566 Good choice of company 😀 Nice guys at Wellhouse. The JDM stuff is great, including some nice sounding petrol engines. Some will say half the price, twice the age, but it’s personal choice and preference. There is a van for everyone. And like I said in this video, this layout is made for a reason, people want it and that’s the same with the JDM vans, people want them and Wellhouse are the guys who hold all the certificates for doing it properly.
Very nice van. I've got my eye on the transit trail lwb. I think Ford have designed a much better looking van. Like the light cluster front & back. Much nicer front than previous model. Side lights looked weird shape Agree with you regarding heater vent. I'd definitely be kicking that.
I will stick with my well built 1994 hymer b534 .it's not that long at 5.34 m.and it's just a tad wider than that Ford. Drives well also ! Can't beat the fold down bed on the hymer above the driver and passenger seats.also it's nice to relax in the u shaped rear lounge !yes it's classed as a motorhome .but its only slightly bigger than this daily driver
@@Nunnyfcht Brilliant and will have cost a lot less than this. The new owner of one of these could have spent 10 times the amount as someone else has on their van, but both can access the same great outdoors. Using what we have is the main thing 👍🏼
Heya. I've watched your videos a lot before, because they're super informative, as I'm converting a VW transporter myself. However, I recently stopped. *PLEASE* consider adding chapter timestamps to your video, so it's a bit easier to see which parts of a 30min video is relevant to me and jump straight to them. I would gladly continue watching if this were the case. :)
Hi, Thank you for your feedback. I do inlude chapters in some videos, however in ones like this one, its a little harder. I will add some to this when I can and will ensure I include them going forward. Tomorrows video isnt as long but is a better topic for chapters. Thank you
You can not see the GLOBAL SPACE you can use because all the video is based on a 20 cm closeup view to see the details. You will not live during the use of the camper into the close of the front panel of the Ford vehicle or the interior of the storage possibilities you need to see the space you have available in order to enjoy the camping ⛺️ experience 😂😢
Thank you very much. The main problem is that VW and Ford are making common cause. Now VW is learning about Ford's mistakes in addition to its own. And Ford? Ford is adding VW's mistakes to its own. They both regularly increase prices and reduce all services. Pretty clever.
Van looks nice but not a fan of the internal water filling point. Would be a real pain if you had a bike rack on the back. The hose on those kind of shower points is no more than 2ft long. It’s not meant for a full shower, it’s more for rinsing sand and mud off pets, boots etc.
I have a VW California...had it from new for over 12 years now....amazing van...flawed in some areas but hugely useful and adaptable.....this 'new' camper van looks identical....but less useful. I can get to all my storage from inside the van...that rear cupboard only opens if you open the boot....not great if you're all hunkered down in be in the rain...and you need to get something... so not any better in my opinion....sorry! 😞
@@StaycationLifestyle New T7 is on a smaller platform than the Transporter based previous models...mine is a T5.2 and has exactly the same interior as the last T6 models, only colour changes and flooring colour. The T7 is not a commercial based vehicle so it would seem to be a new approach....and not necessarily better one to me. The Transporter platform is just right, but anything smaller would be fairly limited in my opinion. Maybe a weekend away van....and for what they will charge that's a tonne of money for a weekend van. Sure it can be used as a second vehicle or your car, but so can the Transporter based models, which are so much more useful!
I run a fleet of ford transit wet belt vans, seven in total, NEVER had a problem with them.......most of this crap about the Ford wet belt is social media driven by idiots who have no experience of owning one.
I don’t like to knock things without trying them however, I’ve owned a T6, still own a T5.1 and now have a transit custom ( the new platform for Vw, Ford and Swift apparently). And I have to report that I’ve had more warning lamps and small niggles with the new platform in 3months than 10 years combined with the Vw built vans. I know we can’t go back but we need a better option than those being built now 🤷♂️. Couldn’t recommend anything built on this platform.
I currently have a fantastic 2022 204 dsg highline lwb t32 kombi camper swamper from Van haven. And it's been brilliant. My pervious van was a new ford m.sport crew cab .it was a fantastic van ,but it was the most unreliable vehicle I have ever owned. My power steering failed, my hill start assist came on at 84 mph on the autobahn and the turbo actuator failed the following day leaving my new transit stuck in Germany for 12 weeks while they tried to sauce me a actuator. I was a huge ford fan ,but that ship has sailed .it's all about the transporter for me now 🤟👍
Great Campervan . Quality Torneo level Ford . Diesel Engine 2.2 150ps . So not a basic Ford Transit 136 hence the price . So not to compare . Alloy Wheels also 19” Our company stopped using VW transporters due to electric reliability issues and switched to Ford Transits . Company has not regretted it
Pity they had to exceed 2 Mtrs with the pop top, a genuine every day drive really needs access to most height restricted car parks, as per the Mazda Bongo etc. Good, but not good enough for anyone who can't afford a spare vehicle just for weekends!!
It still is a Ford! And this is what I meant with one of my previous remarks, VW has completely lost it with the deal with Ford. Since VW outsourced the development and production of its Transporter to Ford, all the aftermarket producers such as camper builders will now focus on the conversion of the Ford Transit. Previously they solely focused on converting the VW transporter. Ford made a clever deal, VW not so! 😢
The converters I have spoken to who are building on the Ford platform, are doing so to enable them to transfer their development to the Transporter when it’s released. Another viewpoint is that VW have relinquished the new Transporter to Ford to free up their own engineers R&D in prep for the new era of vans after this variant, ie the new all electric era 🤷🏻♂️
@@StaycationLifestyle I do understand that of course. I even noticed some of those converters who bought one of the first new Transits to be able to start developing stuff so that when the Transit based Transporter will released they could offer conversion kits for the transporter right from the beginning. I expect this will cause current Transporter drivers to switch to the new Transit, since it will most probably much cheaper than its VW derivative. Not only when buying a new one but also maintenance will be cheaper at the Ford dealership. Maybe you are right about VW to free up their engineers for future Van development. VW is experiencing a lot off trouble with their EV endeavours, so I can imagine they have decided to free up all their development capacity to be able to survive the competition with a lot of new, mostly Chinese, car manufacturers.
@@StaycationLifestyle 100% I agree, I work in the utility industry and see people struggling to afford new vehicles and going down the lease route because of the prices these days. No more transits and VW they are buying Nissans Renault and Man vans
Even those brands have increased and worse still, they depreciate faster. The lease and other finance option route will be the only way people can afford to buy
People paying north of 70K for campervans need their head examined it's a hugely depreciating asset and in 15 years is worth next to nothing put that into a property and if it does not appreciate it will certainly HOLD it's value under most normal circumstances . Bricks and mortar for me , or if I have the motorhome itch . hire one for your once a year trip to Scotland or wherever , cheaper in the long run .
@@shadow-Sun People don’t tend to buy campervans as investments or a cheap holiday, they choose as a lifestyle choice. It is crazy money though. 3 years ago 50k would have been a good quality van and now it’s getting to this region which is mad, BUT driven by base van costs. People do actually pay in excess of £100k for this size van also 🤦🏼♂️
@@StaycationLifestyle a good reply thanks , I realise of course the facts you have shared in your reply , i.e not an investment etc , but historically speaking motor caravaning and cravanning were cheap staycations for those of modest means , now it's a rich mans game (other han used or self build ) and the prices we agree have gone nuts ..surely that shrinks the market somewhat ? .
@StaycationLifestyle it's true though. My mate is a Transit specific mechanic and the amount they get in is unreal. Ford barely question full new engines on warranty now yet won't change the design
@@MrBoardstupid360 Yes there undoubtedly is a problem and I’ve heard both sides of the argument. It would be interesting to see actual figures. It’s still high on the reliability charts. And Ford owners are often having a go about VW reliability, regarding ad blue, dpf etc Percentage wise how common is the problem 🤷🏻♂️
@@StaycationLifestyle very common and as for VW I've had no issues with my 6.1 barring the oil level sensor recall. Its a 70 plate with 126k on the clock so that's good enough for me
So my view on the VW Vs Ford I am well placed to judge as we have both at work, I have a T6 camper says it all 🤷♂️ everyone at work fights over the VW even the t5.1s over the new much higher spec fords. Fords were lovely upto about 20,000 miles but now feel like a 100,000 + van at 30-40,000 miles ! They are as reliable as the VWs but everything feels loose, trim is rubbish, rear badges fall off, seat trim fallen off, one seat belt faulty, seats are hard to move around, slower less economical ! Auto gear selector notification hidden by the steering wheel, overcomplicated sat nav, vibration from stereo ! Rear hatch slams no matter how gentle you are ! Feels like a van, VWs so much more refined and large car like !
Have a look at the price of the Tourneo base van. When the vans they build the campers from start as as much as they do, no campers are going to be what they were a few years ago
@@terryb8310 🤷🏻♂️ What do you mean? I’m not paid by anyone to make videos. TH-cam is entitled to put adverts on videos regardless of whether the maker takes it or not. It’s in their T’s and C’s. I’ve invested heavily in my setup and am running at a loss. Actually currently restricted in the content I’m making as I want to do more, visit more places but have no money to do so.
@@terryb8310 it’s genuinely not an advert, especially as I stated my perceived issues 🤷🏻♂️ I thought it was quite balanced. Coming up there are going to be lots more vans from different manufacturers and dealers. Plus budget 2nd hand vans too. If I only do VW people say I’m paid by them (I’m not even on their press list for borrowing vans) if I only do new expensive vans, I’m told they are too expensive. 😀 If I talk about products, I’m just selling them 🤷🏻♂️ It’s easier for me to do local videos for time and cost and this is local to me. I’ve asked them can I film a few more vans, which they will let me. I generally try and make videos to educate, but thought I would try to make a few review videos. This was following some comments I had from people saying I should.
@StaycationLifestyle Well then, I hear you and apologise. I normally love your output ... Ford wet belt crap from Swift group has no interest to most VW owners I know. Hopefully, your next Swift group video is awhile off.
@@terryb8310 no need to apologise. It’s good to hear feedback and you were kind enough to explain your thoughts. Thank you. The Swift group didn’t even know I made the video, I expect they will now. The next Swift won’t be for a while as the van I want to look at, isn’t at the dealership yet. I was going to do the coach built Voyager, but don’t think it suits the channel.
I understand, but look up the price of the base van. Passenger vehicle over 50k and the van over 40k. Everything has gone up massively. Lower price vans (albeit not much) are available but the bottom falls out of the van far quicker (value wise of course) No getting away from it, all campervans are getting more expensive and out of reach for many
@@StaycationLifestyleThe hybrid petrol engine is the infamous 1.0 ecoboost, which also has a wet cambelt, but is also plagued by coolant loss as a result of cylinder head cracks with overheating. Though whether this will be an issue in the hybrid power train, where the engine is subject to different stresses I don’t know. There is a big price jump for the hybrid.
Ford have a camper donor platform which is a stripped out version, I would imagine the base van they receive will be without the seats and other parts they don’t require.
How much does all that cost...a ridiculous amount. My Vivaro cost £3k 9 years ago and another £2k for the conversion and it does everything that does. I have more storage and a more comfortable bed.
A lot more than your van 😀 People have different budgets and choose to spend their money on different things. Some will like a modern van with good tech and certain branding, others will choose a tent or a van with a mattress, maybe b&b’s instead. Comfort is subjective
@@StaycationLifestyle I spend my money on travel. I go for simplicity and that means reliability, trouble free. I have no second battery/SCC/solar, run the fridge, through the ignition and everything else is low consumption.
Don’t like the pull out fridge make it impossible to reach in while outside to get a drink from the fridge. Great to see at last electric handbrake which is sadly missing from the VW transporter. What were swift thinking putting the hot air vent in the walk way. Brainless decision
Why would you want electric ev camper? Stuck up in The highlands in Scotland?…It’s .. never gonna catch on believe it. electric EV prices losing vast Staggering amount of money. they’re not-selling.. once the batteries go they cost a fortune to replace like a everything with a battery in it ,,it’s a throwaway like watches- Phone’s, not meant to last for a decade
@@philipfeeney4297 That’s what brochures are for 😀 Videos are for thoughts and discussions from the person looking at it. However this could have been shorter, I do tend to talk a lot 🤣
@@steviem8466 Campervans at 70k sell, as do ones for much more, even double the price. You can buy a car for less, or a motorhome, even a flat/house, but none do the same thing. They are different. They only make them because people buy them, otherwise they wouldn’t make them 🤷🏻♂️
@@alexandermichael117 Rubbish is a bit harsh. There are some good aspects, amongst some not so good. But its is a lot of money. Strangely though, comparing to others its not bad priced, but that’s the crazy market we are in
Let's look at the bed, it has 3 seats, it seats 3 people 😂 did you think that we would think a 3 seater sits less or more than 3 😂. I just don't see the point in camper vans. They are way too narrow and only really comfortable for 1 person, and the money they cost is the same as a motorhome so the only advantage is it's parked up size for stealth camping. Or you might only have a small driveway at home.That's a lot of money to invest in something that's just better and easier to park. The motorhome scores better everywhere else. Space, equipment, storage, and practicality. I'd still go with a motorhome even if I was single. What a lot of people are not taking into account is by 2030 these will be worth nothing because of the carbon neutral nonsense and the government will be taxing these to death just to get you off the road. So that's a lot of money to lose over the next 6 years. Something to think about especially as we live in the worst country for tax and moving the goalposts to do the motorist over. And it's two tier Starmer calling the shots. £72,000 no way, it's a van 😂
@@paulegner7653 I’ve not heard of any problems with this yet. Asked a few and not heard any problems yet, BUT they are still new. Is this engine exactly the same? Have they made changes? Time will tell
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Great video.I camp with a Land Rover discovery 5 commercial with a mattress in the back
I have a Transit custom by Orange campers: it's my daily driver. It was easy to compare with the Monza and I was was quite impressed until I saw the problem with the cupboards and the diesel heater outlet. I can only imagine the frustration of sleeping and living in the Monza. So, thank you for confirming that I have made the right choice.
@@andrewlangshanks2407 Pleasure 😀 Here to give “my” honest opinion. I like some aspects of this, but that and a few other bits I don’t like
Last nights curry stashed away under the stove whilst your grilling some steak…. Love it
Over 2m talk means a third more expensive on French autoroutes. Over 5m long is next price bracket on ferries and train. Under 2m will get you into most 'car' parking sites. Considerations when traveling.
That’s why I love my 1,97tall 4,9long VW T6.1! ❤
@@Ragorar exactly! 😊
What do you recommend for campervan with an inverter that can also be used for daily drive
All the comments on here knocking the transit are laughable. They’ve either been scrolling the net and reading about the people who haven’t bothered to service them or haven’t bothered themselves. The facts are, statistically the cam belt in the 2.0 diesel is no less likely to go than any other. The reality is 1000’s of transit owners used to run the old chains into the ground and you just can’t do that anymore. All cambelts need to be serviced. The only difference is it now costs around 1k compared to 600 quid as the engine side plate needs to be removed. So I wouldn’t let put you off the new transporter. The engines are quieter, smoother and more efficient. As for hybrid, I can’t comment - I own a transit custom and an ID. In three years the Ford hasn’t missed a beat, the electric VW engine however is sporadic and drains dramatically in the cold. Not good for a camper. Diesel still firmly has its place in my opinion.
Thank you Andy. These things can often get blown out of proportion, nobody talks about the day they had a trouble free day with no mechanical problems.
There are reported problems with the engine, just like there are with VW’s DPF, Nissan’s oil feeders, Renault’s ignition packs etc etc. Due to the popularity and huge sales, people will often hear about it.
I have heard both sides both positive and negative for the Ford and the VW.
The Ford and VW have been high on the reliability tables, would they be if a high percentage of them failed? No.
The issue isn’t that a cambelt is a serviceable item its that Ford said it was a 10 year or 150k mile replacement. Then they didn’t treat customers whose engines failed fairly, they left them with nothing.
In the US due to different legal risks, they did replace them, but not in Europe.
It is a design fault that they haven’t addressed. Hence why fleet buyers have stopped getting them, and why there is a high availability for van conversions and motorhomes.
The cost is £1,000 plus vat, so for those who aren’t able to recover the VAT it’s £1200 and that is now maybe every 50k miles not 150k miles. So the calculation is that a vehicle doing 100k miles will need £2,400 in cambelt changes not zero. That will affect residual values too.
Lots of people blaming owners for using the wrong grade of oil, but even vehicles with 100% dealer service history are failing and some at less than 50k miles. When the belt starts to disintegrate, parts of the belt get sucked into the brake vacuum pump and go through all the oil ways causing blockages. So its not as simple as just replacing the belt when that happens, and its either an expensive strip down or a new engine. Current pricing is £7,000.
To make it worse for motorhomes, I doubt the engine will enjoy being left in storage through the winter, with part of the belt left in oil and the rest drying. When you come to start it up after storage I expect the belt to suffer wear.
Too many people have had problems, those that have done the research avoid them. This will drive the price down, so go ahead and grab yourself a bargain.
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Yes Ford messed up with 150k - no cambelt can go 150k without risk. They now recommend 6yr or 60k I think.
‘People have stopped buying for fleet cos of this problem’ nonsense! They were increasing in the Motorhome industry as Ford had its production sorted through global supply problems (which is why the new transporter will be made as the same plant with same engine and chassis)
The biggest risk to accelerating degradation is the dpf filter not having chance to burn off diesel residue - for leisure vehicles this is the least risk (low mileage and long journeys)
if this is a massive issue to the point where big fleet are no longer buying them (which will serve most of their sales) then why are they continuing production of the same engine and now have the 2nd biggest competitor on board (transporter) now using this engine? It just doesn’t stack up does it?
I’m not denying people haven’t had issues or defending Ford but customs outsell any other vehicle on the road so if people are doing their research via a few loud net groups, they should make sure they know the context behind it.
Bottom line is all cambelts should be replaced at around 60k or 5-6 years
@@andymcroxford It’s ok to replace an external belt, but Ford designed this engine such that this would be much more difficult, cause they miscalculated the wear rate and degradation. A design fault they expect customers to pay for. It’s ruining their reputation.
They will still get fleet sales, but they have to discount the vehicles to offset the increased total cost of ownership. Fleets who have had issues Ford haven’t stood by them for have moved away.
You need to look at what’s happening at VW, they aren’t doing so well themselves and need to restructure their business.
Question, are you saying Ford replacing a system that worked for years and could be abused without problem with a fragile system that is more difficult/ expensive when it needs it’s more frequent and absolutely required service isn’t piss poor engineering? Just trying to understand.
They could have been a main stream inovator and gone no gas all electric with a clayton unit and induction hob and driven the market to a whole new place but all theyve done is make a super expensive but "safe and accreited" version of what everyone else is doing but charging the earth for it. Plus its on a transit lol. Please tell me this van is chain driven at least! Solar, off grid capable and on a relianble chasis could have been a great selling point. Only my opinion though
Diesel heater exhaust the opposite side to the door/awning must be common sense surely 😅
There are now a few manufacturers trying to do that. In fact I think Swift have got an all electric caravan (maybe just a prototype)
Regarding super expensive, you may see that against equally spec’d vehicles, this will probably be well priced. Don’t get me wrong, it’s big money, but when some poorly spec’d vans start at even more than this it’s “well priced” in comparison.
With the new Transporter being wet belt also, for diesel, I’m not sure how buyers are going to respond to that, even with no gas etc
It’s a shame that the matt black finishes look like they easily mark with fingerprints which would annoy me but despite my minor problem! Nice practical van. 😊
Everyone will be supplied with a pair of snooker referee gloves 😂
My can is similar in design
Cupboards we get out what we need before putting bed down. Toilet we slide under bed last thing before bed if we don’t have the awning. Love the sliding bed in our Wellhouse.
Don’t know what campervans you’ve been looking at but firms like Autocampers have always been on two sliding door versions and have external shower and bbq point as well as underslung water and waste tanks.
There are a few twin sliders, I’ve shown them before, but they are not very commonly used by converters.
This looks great until I seen the internal water filling point.
What on earth were Swift thinking?
Wet luggage and puddles inside the van.
I'd want it shifted to where the external bbq point is if it's possible.
That is exactly one of the questions I have
What type of warranty do you get on these vans, esp ford Engine?
Same layout as many campervans at present. If I wanted one I'd get a JDM conversion from someone like Wellhouse with all the warranties for half the price.
@@williamfence566 Good choice of company 😀 Nice guys at Wellhouse.
The JDM stuff is great, including some nice sounding petrol engines.
Some will say half the price, twice the age, but it’s personal choice and preference. There is a van for everyone.
And like I said in this video, this layout is made for a reason, people want it and that’s the same with the JDM vans, people want them and Wellhouse are the guys who hold all the certificates for doing it properly.
Excellent review, oversights and/or errors/oversights exposed. Overall, A good jigger.
Lovely van, it was going so well until you pointed out the bed obstructing the fridge and units when it's a seat.
The fridge is the problem for me. I understand the unit side of things due to the sliding seat
Everything is in closeup. Hard to see the full layout
No more swifts our last one was crap
Very nice van. I've got my eye on the transit trail lwb. I think Ford have designed a much better looking van. Like the light cluster front & back. Much nicer front than previous model. Side lights looked weird shape
Agree with you regarding heater vent. I'd definitely be kicking that.
I will stick with my well built 1994 hymer b534 .it's not that long at 5.34 m.and it's just a tad wider than that Ford. Drives well also !
Can't beat the fold down bed on the hymer above the driver and passenger seats.also it's nice to relax in the u shaped rear lounge !yes it's classed as a motorhome .but its only slightly bigger than this daily driver
@@Nunnyfcht Brilliant and will have cost a lot less than this. The new owner of one of these could have spent 10 times the amount as someone else has on their van, but both can access the same great outdoors.
Using what we have is the main thing 👍🏼
Heya. I've watched your videos a lot before, because they're super informative, as I'm converting a VW transporter myself. However, I recently stopped.
*PLEASE* consider adding chapter timestamps to your video, so it's a bit easier to see which parts of a 30min video is relevant to me and jump straight to them. I would gladly continue watching if this were the case. :)
Hi, Thank you for your feedback. I do inlude chapters in some videos, however in ones like this one, its a little harder. I will add some to this when I can and will ensure I include them going forward. Tomorrows video isnt as long but is a better topic for chapters. Thank you
At least you can make a coffee while waiting for the RAC.
😂
@@simonlowndes8723 🤣
Don’t the AA and RAC use the same vehicle?
How do you get around when the new 15 minute zones kick in??
Where have they been confirmed? With exact details
This van is so cool, it would certainly make my life easier.
Thanks for the video! As someone considering buying one then the detailed review was great to see!
You can not see the GLOBAL SPACE you can use because all the video is based on a 20 cm closeup view to see the details. You will not live during the use of the camper into the close of the front panel of the Ford vehicle or the interior of the storage possibilities you need to see the space you have available in order to enjoy the camping ⛺️ experience 😂😢
Looks nice but aren't VW and Ford going to be sharing the same van ?
Yes the new Transporter is being built on the same platform as the Transit Custom
Thank you very much. The main problem is that VW and Ford are making common cause. Now VW is learning about Ford's mistakes in addition to its own. And Ford? Ford is adding VW's mistakes to its own. They both regularly increase prices and reduce all services. Pretty clever.
Van looks nice but not a fan of the internal water filling point. Would be a real pain if you had a bike rack on the back. The hose on those kind of shower points is no more than 2ft long. It’s not meant for a full shower, it’s more for rinsing sand and mud off pets, boots etc.
£72,000 - 75k. Madness
Have a look at the price of the Tourneo base van and you can see its never going to be cheap
Cheap skate 😂
@@jf4703 yeah lol
Nice van but the price ffs
Gona need the hot line number of your wet belt Machanic for this dream machine
Don’t need that if you go hybrid 🤣
Can u buy one in Canada and how much and where ?
Fair play to ford nice looking camper but im keeping my T6
Me too 😀
Me too 😅
Wow......£71k........fantastic as it is, well out of my price range.
Same here. The base vans alone before adding a conversion have gone up hugely
I have a VW California...had it from new for over 12 years now....amazing van...flawed in some areas but hugely useful and adaptable.....this 'new' camper van looks identical....but less useful. I can get to all my storage from inside the van...that rear cupboard only opens if you open the boot....not great if you're all hunkered down in be in the rain...and you need to get something... so not any better in my opinion....sorry! 😞
No need to be sorry. I’m just showing you the van. I much prefer a California and I’m very keen on seeing the new one
@@StaycationLifestyle New T7 is on a smaller platform than the Transporter based previous models...mine is a T5.2 and has exactly the same interior as the last T6 models, only colour changes and flooring colour. The T7 is not a commercial based vehicle so it would seem to be a new approach....and not necessarily better one to me. The Transporter platform is just right, but anything smaller would be fairly limited in my opinion. Maybe a weekend away van....and for what they will charge that's a tonne of money for a weekend van. Sure it can be used as a second vehicle or your car, but so can the Transporter based models, which are so much more useful!
What’s about the small overlap crash test?
Running on a Ford wet belt system - good luck with that one!
I run a fleet of ford transit wet belt vans, seven in total, NEVER had a problem with them.......most of this crap about the Ford wet belt is social media driven by idiots who have no experience of owning one.
@@KennyRoberts-w3zI cant believe Vw and Ford have gone in together on commercial vehicles. Big own goal from Vw
I don’t like to knock things without trying them however, I’ve owned a T6, still own a T5.1 and now have a transit custom ( the new platform for Vw, Ford and Swift apparently). And I have to report that I’ve had more warning lamps and small niggles with the new platform in 3months than 10 years combined with the Vw built vans. I know we can’t go back but we need a better option than those being built now 🤷♂️. Couldn’t recommend anything built on this platform.
£72,000 with a cup holder wow such luxury lol
I currently have a fantastic 2022 204 dsg highline lwb t32 kombi camper swamper from Van haven. And it's been brilliant. My pervious van was a new ford m.sport crew cab .it was a fantastic van ,but it was the most unreliable vehicle I have ever owned. My power steering failed, my hill start assist came on at 84 mph on the autobahn and the turbo actuator failed the following day leaving my new transit stuck in Germany for 12 weeks while they tried to sauce me a actuator. I was a huge ford fan ,but that ship has sailed .it's all about the transporter for me now 🤟👍
@@shanewaller2864 Interesting, that’s just given me another question for when we meet 😃
Good man @@StaycationLifestyle
Have you got a date for your ‘new’ conversion yet?
Wtf happened when hill start came on!?!!!
You do realise the new VW is a Ford. Transitporter?
Great Campervan . Quality Torneo level Ford . Diesel Engine 2.2 150ps . So not a basic Ford Transit 136 hence the price . So not to compare . Alloy Wheels also 19”
Our company stopped using VW transporters due to electric reliability issues and switched to Ford Transits . Company has not regretted it
How do you pay for something of that price anyway? Monthly payments must be extortionate??? Ain't gonna sell my house to buy one, that's for sure.
For me my t5.1 dsg camper and my 2024 Swift Basecamp 2 is the perfect set up and is virtually half the price of Ford.
Exactly 👍
Anything but a Ford.
@@stephenbryson5618 I have a few non Ford and non VW coming soon 😀
Ford and Vw are the same going forward. Same van, same factory.
@@peterdutton302 Only for the Transporter (Ford) and the Caddy which is VW.
The Multivan and ID Buzz are still VW
@@StaycationLifestyle TBH I was referring to transit and transporter, though the Ranger and Amarok are the same too
@@peterdutton302 yes that’s true also
Pity they had to exceed 2 Mtrs with the pop top, a genuine every day drive really needs access to most height restricted car parks, as per the Mazda Bongo etc. Good, but not good enough for anyone who can't afford a spare vehicle just for weekends!!
It still is a Ford! And this is what I meant with one of my previous remarks, VW has completely lost it with the deal with Ford. Since VW outsourced the development and production of its Transporter to Ford, all the aftermarket producers such as camper builders will now focus on the conversion of the Ford Transit. Previously they solely focused on converting the VW transporter. Ford made a clever deal, VW not so! 😢
The converters I have spoken to who are building on the Ford platform, are doing so to enable them to transfer their development to the Transporter when it’s released.
Another viewpoint is that VW have relinquished the new Transporter to Ford to free up their own engineers R&D in prep for the new era of vans after this variant, ie the new all electric era 🤷🏻♂️
@@StaycationLifestyle I do understand that of course. I even noticed some of those converters who bought one of the first new Transits to be able to start developing stuff so that when the Transit based Transporter will released they could offer conversion kits for the transporter right from the beginning. I expect this will cause current Transporter drivers to switch to the new Transit, since it will most probably much cheaper than its VW derivative. Not only when buying a new one but also maintenance will be cheaper at the Ford dealership. Maybe you are right about VW to free up their engineers for future Van development. VW is experiencing a lot off trouble with their EV endeavours, so I can imagine they have decided to free up all their development capacity to be able to survive the competition with a lot of new, mostly Chinese, car manufacturers.
I spoke to a Vw engineer who said electric vans are a non-starter and in a few years vw will move over to hydrogen as a fuel source. Time will tell!
£72000 when did all vans get so overpriced you literally have to sell your home or use your pension to own a new one
@@shamefullone8118 Look at the price of the base vans. They have gone up at a rapid rate.
@@StaycationLifestyle 100% I agree, I work in the utility industry and see people struggling to afford new vehicles and going down the lease route because of the prices these days. No more transits and VW they are buying Nissans Renault and Man vans
Even those brands have increased and worse still, they depreciate faster.
The lease and other finance option route will be the only way people can afford to buy
Nice Van, but it is still a FORD rust bucket 😊
The “rust” aspect has apparently been rectified for the new range 🤷🏻♂️
@@JohnYoungCORNWALL had the first year new customer 2013 model for 10 years, didn’t see any rust. Guess I was lucky or your a pessimist
Can’t beat a ford, service and value 😊
I’ll stick to my NV200 thanks
Absolutely why not, if it’s right for you 👍🏼 whatever people have, just use it 😀
People paying north of 70K for campervans need their head examined it's a hugely depreciating asset and in 15 years is worth next to nothing put that into a property and if it does not appreciate it will certainly HOLD it's value under most normal circumstances . Bricks and mortar for me , or if I have the motorhome itch . hire one for your once a year trip to Scotland or wherever , cheaper in the long run .
@@shadow-Sun People don’t tend to buy campervans as investments or a cheap holiday, they choose as a lifestyle choice.
It is crazy money though. 3 years ago 50k would have been a good quality van and now it’s getting to this region which is mad, BUT driven by base van costs.
People do actually pay in excess of £100k for this size van also 🤦🏼♂️
@@StaycationLifestyle a good reply thanks , I realise of course the facts you have shared in your reply , i.e not an investment etc , but historically speaking motor caravaning and cravanning were cheap staycations for those of modest means , now it's a rich mans game (other han used or self build ) and the prices we agree have gone nuts ..surely that shrinks the market somewhat ? .
The Wet Belt engine is the nail in the coffin.
This is the new Transit. Have you heard any problems of the new Transit?
@@StaycationLifestyle Yes it has the wet belt engine
@@SocietyX. we know that. But is it EXACTLY the same? Has it been changed/fixed/adapted?
Jamie carragher gets everywhere!
A Ford, that will be this vans problem. The wet belt engine will turn people off.
THAT is the most common reaction to any Ford based vehicle now 🤷🏻♂️
@StaycationLifestyle it's true though. My mate is a Transit specific mechanic and the amount they get in is unreal. Ford barely question full new engines on warranty now yet won't change the design
@@MrBoardstupid360 Yes there undoubtedly is a problem and I’ve heard both sides of the argument. It would be interesting to see actual figures. It’s still high on the reliability charts. And Ford owners are often having a go about VW reliability, regarding ad blue, dpf etc
Percentage wise how common is the problem 🤷🏻♂️
@@StaycationLifestyle very common and as for VW I've had no issues with my 6.1 barring the oil level sensor recall. Its a 70 plate with 126k on the clock so that's good enough for me
Two words. Wet belt 💣
Has the problem been fixed though? 🤷🏻♂️
Has the problem been fixed though? 🤷🏻♂️
It has the Ford EcoBlue engine. So it will probably destroy itself at 50k miles.
Wet cambelt issues.
So my view on the VW Vs Ford I am well placed to judge as we have both at work, I have a T6 camper says it all 🤷♂️ everyone at work fights over the VW even the t5.1s over the new much higher spec fords. Fords were lovely upto about 20,000 miles but now feel like a 100,000 + van at 30-40,000 miles ! They are as reliable as the VWs but everything feels loose, trim is rubbish, rear badges fall off, seat trim fallen off, one seat belt faulty, seats are hard to move around, slower less economical ! Auto gear selector notification hidden by the steering wheel, overcomplicated sat nav, vibration from stereo ! Rear hatch slams no matter how gentle you are ! Feels like a van, VWs so much more refined and large car like !
Bloody ell, Gary barlow let himself go... 😁
🤣 If only I had his money, I could afford one of these 😀
Why can't America get any of these cool vehicles??
Lovely Motor but it still is a lot of money for a FORD. The price on this is so bitter that I decided to stop watching when the price was mentioned 😅
Have a look at the price of the Tourneo base van. When the vans they build the campers from start as as much as they do, no campers are going to be what they were a few years ago
I hate it when good youtube channels start taking the advertising vid cash!
@@terryb8310 🤷🏻♂️ What do you mean?
I’m not paid by anyone to make videos.
TH-cam is entitled to put adverts on videos regardless of whether the maker takes it or not. It’s in their T’s and C’s.
I’ve invested heavily in my setup and am running at a loss. Actually currently restricted in the content I’m making as I want to do more, visit more places but have no money to do so.
@StaycationLifestyle This feels more like a paid van advert than your normal output ... great videos This one feels wrong.
@@terryb8310 it’s genuinely not an advert, especially as I stated my perceived issues 🤷🏻♂️ I thought it was quite balanced.
Coming up there are going to be lots more vans from different manufacturers and dealers.
Plus budget 2nd hand vans too.
If I only do VW people say I’m paid by them (I’m not even on their press list for borrowing vans) if I only do new expensive vans, I’m told they are too expensive. 😀
If I talk about products, I’m just selling them 🤷🏻♂️
It’s easier for me to do local videos for time and cost and this is local to me.
I’ve asked them can I film a few more vans, which they will let me.
I generally try and make videos to educate, but thought I would try to make a few review videos. This was following some comments I had from people saying I should.
@StaycationLifestyle Well then, I hear you and apologise. I normally love your output ... Ford wet belt crap from Swift group has no interest to most VW owners I know.
Hopefully, your next Swift group video is awhile off.
@@terryb8310 no need to apologise. It’s good to hear feedback and you were kind enough to explain your thoughts. Thank you.
The Swift group didn’t even know I made the video, I expect they will now. The next Swift won’t be for a while as the van I want to look at, isn’t at the dealership yet. I was going to do the coach built Voyager, but don’t think it suits the channel.
Lovely looking van, but I keep hearing you should steer clear of Ford; which is a shame.
RIDICULOUSD PRICE. Why is the market bottoming out? its because people are getting nearly new vans and doing it themselves. U save 40k
T6 is the best, never mind these other expensive tarmack toys.
I’ve had a few Fords throughout my driving career I swore every one would be the last ! Always left me underwhelmed.
I stopped the video at 16 minutes.and the price is going up even further.jeez
I understand, but look up the price of the base van. Passenger vehicle over 50k and the van over 40k. Everything has gone up massively.
Lower price vans (albeit not much) are available but the bottom falls out of the van far quicker (value wise of course)
No getting away from it, all campervans are getting more expensive and out of reach for many
You could buy a Renault or a Fiat 😂
Watch in a few weeks and you can see a same size van for double that price 🤣 Oh yes people do buy them 🤦🏼♂️
It's a wet belt ford 😅
The Hybrid isn’t 😀
The wet belt engine is certainly one for debate. Some good arguments on both sides.
Yeah you never have to change a belt or anything else on a VW engine..... Oh wait.
@@StaycationLifestyleThe hybrid petrol engine is the infamous 1.0 ecoboost, which also has a wet cambelt, but is also plagued by coolant loss as a result of cylinder head cracks with overheating. Though whether this will be an issue in the hybrid power train, where the engine is subject to different stresses I don’t know. There is a big price jump for the hybrid.
Why use such a high spec Transit then pull it apart to make a camper van cant see the logic.
Ford have a camper donor platform which is a stripped out version, I would imagine the base van they receive will be without the seats and other parts they don’t require.
How much does all that cost...a ridiculous amount. My Vivaro cost £3k 9 years ago and another £2k for the conversion and it does everything that does. I have more storage and a more comfortable bed.
A lot more than your van 😀
People have different budgets and choose to spend their money on different things. Some will like a modern van with good tech and certain branding, others will choose a tent or a van with a mattress, maybe b&b’s instead.
Comfort is subjective
@@StaycationLifestyle No such thing as good tech...the last good tech was electronic ignition and common rail for diesel.
@@allanb52 I’m talking camper electrical systems, programmable heaters, levelling systems etc
@@StaycationLifestyle I spend my money on travel. I go for simplicity and that means reliability, trouble free. I have no second battery/SCC/solar, run the fridge, through the ignition and everything else is low consumption.
Just a Big Problem called "Wet Belt"
Don’t like the pull out fridge make it impossible to reach in while outside to get a drink from the fridge.
Great to see at last electric handbrake which is sadly missing from the VW transporter.
What were swift thinking putting the hot air vent in the walk way. Brainless decision
But its not electric!?
There is a hybrid. No mention of full electric yet
Why would you want electric ev camper? Stuck up in The highlands in Scotland?…It’s .. never gonna catch on believe it. electric EV prices losing vast Staggering amount of money. they’re not-selling.. once the batteries go they cost a fortune to replace like a everything with a battery in it ,,it’s a throwaway like watches- Phone’s, not meant to last for a decade
Doesn’t look as good as the VW California Ocean on looks, features or quality.
I’m really keen to get into the new one. It does look very feature packed 😀
Everybody knows about wet belt disintegration.
75 keuros😂. Forget it.
What a waste of money. £72k for a Ford wthout room to swing a cat.
Much better of getting a decent sized campervan
@@paulstarr6818 perfect getting a bigger one if you don’t want it as a daily driver. Oh and people spend in excess of £130k on these size vans 🫣
Ford is a lot of trouble since they went front wheel drive.
£72k and you bog is 5cm from your fridge…? 🥴🤢🤮 If I had £72k it would NOT be spent getting belly-works ..
Think you could've given al the facts in a shorter condensed version, found myself skipping through.
@@philipfeeney4297 That’s what brochures are for 😀 Videos are for thoughts and discussions from the person looking at it.
However this could have been shorter, I do tend to talk a lot 🤣
72 grand for a Ford that's not camper vaning it's motorhome makers flapping.
72500...is a joke ??
@@thilou6092 Look up the price of the base vehicle it comes from. Base van prices are huge
£70k plus for a Campervan. Who do these people think we are, mugs! You can purchase a prestigue car for less. A mortgage for a campervan.
@@steviem8466 Campervans at 70k sell, as do ones for much more, even double the price.
You can buy a car for less, or a motorhome, even a flat/house, but none do the same thing. They are different.
They only make them because people buy them, otherwise they wouldn’t make them 🤷🏻♂️
@@StaycationLifestyle Well they obviously sawe them coming!
bit to small for a camper 😂🎉
It’s not for everyone
more room in a tent
£71,000 😂😂 no thanks
Wet belt engine, a no no
£72 grand, WOW, pile of expensive rubbish.
@@alexandermichael117 Rubbish is a bit harsh. There are some good aspects, amongst some not so good.
But its is a lot of money. Strangely though, comparing to others its not bad priced, but that’s the crazy market we are in
Let's look at the bed, it has 3 seats, it seats 3 people 😂 did you think that we would think a 3 seater sits less or more than 3 😂. I just don't see the point in camper vans. They are way too narrow and only really comfortable for 1 person, and the money they cost is the same as a motorhome so the only advantage is it's parked up size for stealth camping. Or you might only have a small driveway at home.That's a lot of money to invest in something that's just better and easier to park. The motorhome scores better everywhere else. Space, equipment, storage, and practicality. I'd still go with a motorhome even if I was single. What a lot of people are not taking into account is by 2030 these will be worth nothing because of the carbon neutral nonsense and the government will be taxing these to death just to get you off the road. So that's a lot of money to lose over the next 6 years. Something to think about especially as we live in the worst country for tax and moving the goalposts to do the motorist over. And it's two tier Starmer calling the shots. £72,000 no way, it's a van 😂
Prefer VW
Same soon 🤣
Ford wet cambelt bad design
Its a transit
@@kevinreilly9482 It’s a Tourneo 🤷🏻♂️
Ford ... hahaha ... nope!
It's no alternative.
£72,000 and rising , I can’t believe people are daft enough to spend that much on a van
Wetbelt engine... Beware
Shame it’s a ford
Crap engine
Have you tried the hybrid?
Will blow up by 30000 miles, ford crappy wet belt engine.justc ask any trades man ..
@@paulegner7653 I’ve not heard of any problems with this yet. Asked a few and not heard any problems yet, BUT they are still new.
Is this engine exactly the same? Have they made changes? Time will tell
Such a bad video. 😂
Care to expand why?
Ford garage wet belt engine will blow up in 30000 miles utter crap
@@jasondow8885 How does the hybrid perform?