I find many bushcrafters have not worked outside everyday for thirty years. I did commercial landscaping for over thirty years in Florida. The best tool I carried at all times was my Felco #2s. Nobody ever even mentions them. It was much more important than my Leatherman.
I'm not a bushcrafter or even much of a hiker but I enjoy walking in the woods. My day pack includes; A 5x7 tarp, compass and map, fire kit (fire steel, lighter, matches, fat wood, tinder, pocket stove with 8 cubes and a silky pocketboy) first aid kit with a basic trauma kit, (tourniquet & Israeli bandage) Water kit (purification tablets, water bags and filter) Leatherman sidekick, trail marking tape, modified Stanley cook set, (with bale & sealable plastic lid) A packable jacket, wool socks and hat. Water and food appropriate for a day hike. Emergency food (2 backpacker meals, 2 cups each of oats, lentils, black beans, self rising flour, dried fruit and cous cous, a couple of boullion cubes, instant coffee, sugar, creamer, salt and honey packets) GPS locator beacon and a fixed blade knife (either a Becker bk2 companion or an OKC rat-5) I'm not any kind of survival expert but I have been both lost and medically stranded in the woods. (On separate occasions) now I always go prepared. Something no one ever talks about in these videos is what to do when you're injured. What if you break an arm or leg? Everything becomes incredibly difficult if not impossible. If you can't move around, keeping warm is hard. Practicing survival skills is really just camping. Understand that being trapped either by being lost or injured is terrifying. Have something to focus you if you start to panic (sit down, sing a song, say a prayer, eat a candy bar, smoke a cigarette, whatever) Panicking won't help but being overconfident is more likely to get you killed. Never rely solely on technology. Both when I was lost and when I was injured, search and rescue were delayed by weather. Take with you whatever you would want when you're dealing with extreme stress (for me it's food, music and cigarettes) keeping up your own moral will help more than almost anything. If you give up, your f*cked.
great point first aid ( CARE ) should always be included in most if not all kits. and if you wanna make the multitool a "C" call it a combination tool , Yanno just to keep with the C names. Thanks for your perspective.
My go to survival Headlamp ..is the Princeton Tech "BYTE".. a tiny lightweight waterproof single strap.. headlamp that runs on two AAA batteries...low -high & Red .. I use Energizer ultimate lithium batteries... In spare ultimate lithium AAA.. they are lighter than alkaline.. they do not leak like alkaline.. they work in the cold.. and they have a 10-year shelf life.. yes they were a bit pricey but I get them on sale.. I also have a 2×AAA handheld flashlight also...
I am in Central Texas. 8 months out of the year. It is hot. Most times lows will be over 65•F highs can be over 100. Shade during peak heat of the day, can be the difference between life and death. Shade cloth is light. Also the need to carry at least half a gallon of water is advised as a minimum.
My day hike kit includes a signal mirror & whistle and I have a bandana in a bright blue, so it is a good contrast vegetation for visibility. I also keep a extra snack/meal bar along with my food for the day.
I have a homemade first aid/trauma kit that's extremely small. I created it out of one of these tiny zip blood sugar monitor case... It contains a Swat T tourniquet. Can be used as a tourniquet or pressure bandage... Some gause .. a packet of blood stopper powder available at Walmart... A small scissors and tiny pen light tiny flashlight single AAA... Some med tape and some duct tape and two pieces of plastic that can be used as small chest seals.. large band-aid and small finger Band-Aids. Tiny mini envelope of antibiotic and a alcohol pad..... This kit is only 3 in x2in ×1 in .. and very lightweight
I agree with Stan Graves comment, and prefer to think in terms of the eight pillars of survival. Shelter, fire, water, and first aid are the first tier. The second tier is communication/signaling, navigation, food, and personal protection. You can include a ninth category, tools/repairs if you’d like, or the tools can be inclusive within whichever tier that they belong. Thanks for an informative video. The point is, find whichever way of covering your bases works best for you, then run with it.
The 10 C's addresses first aid if you understand the multi functionality of each item. The cotton material is a bandage or splint. A small piece of cotton material with the gorilla tape is a bandaid. The cordage can be used for splints and tourniquets. The needle can sew stitches and dig out splinters. Disinfect the needle with fire first. The magnify lens on the compass helps look at splinters, etc... more closely. The mirror on the compass allows you to look at your face/eyes or check your back for ticks, leaches, etc... The space blanket can wrap up a person in shock or who is suffering hypothermia. He always says the C's are just categories, and you can carry multiple of each if you want. If you watch his videos he explains all of this.
I like antiseptic options. Particularly the kind that double for wound treatment and water purification. This might be Iodine or Potassium Permanganate. My view on containers is these have a few basic functions to cover. Water transportation, purification, cooking, char manufacture and containment of sharp objects such as needles. I particularly like items that gracefully fail over from wanted backpacking items. A metal water bottle might normally store dry wood for a twig stove as the hydration bag and filter system has not failed yet. An Altoid mini tin can carry tinder, water purification and a canvas needle. With a light weight survival system near 1 to 3 pounds, the rest of a backpack dry weight can focus on the backpack as planned objective and base weights near 8 points are often easily achieved. Further, Ultra Light objectives have a creditable survival system baked in for the backpack gone sideways.
I see the 10c’s as an outstanding survival guidelines that you could modify them accordingly to your needs and environment. Professor Canterbury verbalized it in several teaching videos. The purpose of a guideline, not a policy that is mandatory, is a general recommendation or point of view of how to do things easier due to different proven experiences. Personally, first aid and a traumatic kit must be included as part of an item in the C’s.
I haven't watched the video yet, but a BOLD statement to say the ten Cs are flawed. I gotta watch! Ok... I watched. Dave doesn't include a boo boo kit probably because nothing in a boo boo kit is central to survival (in the range of snivel gear unless you're talking about a tourniquet... But there's some inherent issues with that level of injury) and with some skills, you can handle most more serious burns, cuts and breaks with harvested materials. Saps being a natural antiseptic and walnut hulls too. Dave knows all that and can do it with a knife and knowledge. I'd say that's where his classes come in and others like it. I say all that, but I too carry a full blow out (IFAK.) But seeing it full circle, my money is still on the 10Cs. But I very much appreciate your 11 Cs idea👍 good video sir. You made me a subscriber👍
Totally agree, living in Australia you must carry 2 snake bite (compression bandages) and a very good way of stopping blood flow. Due to the isolation it’s important for those items.
I included a first aid kit with my 10 c’s. But my first aid kit does not have anything with an adhesive. No bandaids. No tape. None of them. Instead I have little rolls of co-band. It has no adhesive and it only sticks to itself. I’m allergic to all adhesives.
I own several esee and there awesome but that warranty does mean anything in SHTF.. especially it its bad enough. I recommend esee but i also recommend others also. Any of the kabar BK series. Tops., benchamde, bark river
Walmart, in the camping section, sells a stainless steel camping cup that nests with the Nalgene/ Kleenex kanteen bottles. It is not as large as the military surplus canteen cups, but it works for boiling water, etc.
Hard to argue with Dave C and I always use his 10 C's as a starting point. However, my belief is there is no universal do it all kit. You really need to modify your kits to account where you are travelling (ie. climate and environment) and personal situation. For example, I add 'Care' (eg. first aid/personal care) and 'Communication' (usually a whistle & mirror). Anyway, thanks for the vid. Love hearing different ideas and opinions - helps improve my own knowledge and makes me think about my own gear.
Nice video man! Great work! I agree with your extras in the 10 c's. I would also add food. Yeah. I dont know why you skipped that. Have food rations with you. Mres perhaps...
Just got to what how much you add before the survival kit is no longer light weight or takes up too much space. Depending where I'm travelling I sometimes add a small chocolate bar and/or small bag glucose lollies and/or similar for emergency use if required. Avoid foods requiring water in your survival kit. Have a great day.
The 10C is a starting point. Because a first aid kit should be personalized, never use a generic first aid kit. Basically, everything in the 10C should be personalized. They are more of a list so you don't forget something. Because everybody I've ever done a pocket dump with all of our 10C are different items, but go in the categories.
Customization of the basic kit for your area of operation is key to success. We always pack a few water purification tablets just in case water is needed pronto. We are retired, and living in the Philippine islands. We have a lot of water sources but you had better not drink any of it without first treating the water. The ability to make a fire is universally important. Pasteurizing water, cooking food, and in some locations, you will need heat. When visiting the mountains of Baguio, 215 Klicks (133 miles) north of our home base, it can get rather frosty. We add a few sachets of electrolyte powder to treat serious dehydration. For our location, bug nets and repellent should be considered mandatory. Some of our skeeters carry bad things such as malaria and dengue fever. Better safe than sorry. We also tend to go full tilt on medical supplies with a large kit. It would be a shame to waste Beautiful Bride's nursing skills. She has worked in many positions including recovery room, ER, OR, and with children and geriatric folks.
Wouldn't the cotton bandana and cargo tape cover first aid? The bandanna can be used as gauze, a sling, a tourniquet, wound packing etc and cargo tape can be used as bandaids, blister covers, and with the mylar blanket to make a chest seal. Just to name a few things that come to mind.
If you have the skill and ability you are right - if it's all you got then you use it. However, for those that may not have the skill sets, a few dedicated first aid items such as some sticky plasters, crepe bandages and iodine cream can make it easier. Have a great day.
When I list items out , I tend to take for granted everyone already knows to add the most important items to a Survival Kit, I carry a Med-Pak but a decent pocket sized First Aid Kit is usually all that would be necessary, make one! Plastic Heavy Duty Trash Bags I always add in. And always Spare Socks and a good pair of Leather Gloves.
The bags, socks and gloves are required items for SRO basic survival class. Not everyone knows what is needed. We lose people every year here in Colorado.
Some of us have been at this so long that we come close to carrying the original 10 C’s as our EDC. With the exception of the container and a poncho or tarp. Both of which are a tad cumbersome for EDC here in the States but probably live in every bush vehicle in Australia & Africa. One of the beauties of the outdoor mindset is learning to live through deliberate thinking. Adherence to a strict list rather than a mindset gets people in trouble and can even stymie growth. I cringe at the lack of gear that many younger “through hikers” dawdle off with. Gear that that creates independence. They often lack any troubleshooting capabilities at all. Their phone dies or they lose a signal (which is how everyone enjoyed the wilderness prior to 1996-ish) and they have no backup plan whatsoever. True bushmen rarely think about Mr Helicopter. Us old schools still associate litter rescues as indicators of massive trauma.
Yep. I think I watched greybeard do a video on placing the tape on either side of a "wound" and using the bank line and needle to pull the tape together to close a wound stitching the tape vs the flesh.
Yeah . . . it's not that the 10Cs are flawed it's just they should have two more things IMO. The 11th C should be, as you indicated, for Cure- or medical that includes a tourniquet, clotting package, blister kit, bandaids, tylenol, etc. (already has the cargo tape and bandana); then the 12th C = Calories, to include but not limited to candy/energy bar to get one through the day. I actually sent Dave Canterbury a 10C boonie hat- very lightweight, had all 10 categories with redundancies, that you could stuff comfortably into your pockets. The band going around the hat has small items secured to it; cordage fitted and taped to the inside of the hat, a button flashlight that could be taped to the brim for hands free illumination, neck chain with knife, whistle, extra button flashlight, and so on. Haven't heard back from him though.
Hi, Great vid. I have looked but can't find the specific headlamp on Amazon or anywhere - the nearest model doesn't have all the options. Could you tell me, please, which model this was and is it still available? Thanks. Just a bit of personal observation - the debate about items versus actions versus mindset is "chalk and cheese" or comparing apples and elephants in my view. It seems obvious to me that 10 Cs (or 10 essentials) aren't meant to be prescriptive or limiting, but aiming to highlight both needs (such as lighting) and meeting those needs (e.g.; headlamp). Thus, it makes sense to think about how to meet those needs and what is the minimum that might do so. An EDC kit is going to be different to a fully prepared expedition and even a very good first aid kit isn't going to equal a hospital. At the same time, it is worth recognising that survival advice has often come from situations where people survived despite not being prepared and having little or no equipment. This is where skill/mindset and equipment cross over. No point in having a house full of different edc kits for different scenarios (home/work/fire/flood) if you don't have the right one with you or the one you have isn't appropriate. And you can't carry everything - although I have seen people try to have pocket/pouch/backpack and car kits to cover every eventuality!
@@ThePreparedWanderer It must be a page only for US citizens, because for me, in Europe, the following message appears: "The contents have been removed or that the respective owner has shared them with a restricted group of people or changed who can see them." Is there any other way?
The 10 C's is probably the most parroted system on the internet, mostly by those with little experience. I never liked a system that teaches you what to carry vs what to do. The rule of 3's is far superior of a system as it teaches the priorities in a survival situation. Just add in signaling and navigation to the rule of 3's and you have a complete survival system. You carry what you feel comfortable with and know how to use to address each priority. The 10 C's is more of a "Bushcraft Kit" as opposed to a survival system. If you study those that have survived being stranded in the wilderness, most survived because of their Positive Attitude.....the will to live. 3 seconds without hope is #1 in the rule of 3's. No mention of Positive attitude in the 10 C's nor any mention of First Aid items which is #2 in the rule of 3's (3 minutes without air is a metaphor for bodily function, First Aid). There is quite a bit of overlap in the rule of 3's and the 10 essentials. There is no perfect system, each and every one is lacking, so you should learn them all, not simply take one as the gospel as so many have done with the 10 C's.
It gives you a starting point. It isn't meant to tell you that you have to carry this and that. It is teaching you that should care something for shelter, gathering water etc.
While the larger 10c kits are optimal.. and great if you know you're going out in the woods.. let's talk about EDC.. your everyday carry that if forced to you can use for survival... If you're riding in your vehicle you have your get home bag.... but what if your riding your mountain bike .. you're not going to have all that heavy gear on you or say you happen to find yourself in the woods and you were not planning on it.. you need super lightweight gear that you can carry with you EDC in your pockets that will help you in those situations. I have developed much smaller lightweight kits that can be used in a pinch.. get you through a night or two... Most of it contains.. a lighter Mil.. folded up trash bag..SOL LARGE XL .. lightweight survival blanket that can be put in my pocket.. of course a MINI Bic lighter. A fire starting tab.. small Ferro rod or magnesium block type...folding knife or swiss army knife .. WATER PURIFICATION TABLETS ." 2 types . Aqua tab which water is ready in 30 minutes (but does not kill cryptosporidium)..& katadyne brand . Which kills cryptosporidium in all harmful stuff but takes hours to work before you can drink it....world pack water bag..(if I'm not carrying a water bottle comes in handy).. a compass..quality but smaller then the MC2.. can also use a base compass of good quality. smaller one.. wrist compass.. sunto makes a great one .. you can throw the kitchen sink in there but remember these are EDC items that you will have on you at all times so the more stuff you carry the less likely you're going to have it on you.. also winter time you have lots of pockets in your coats.. even fall you will have a jacket on with pockets..BUT in summer you may only have your cargo shorts on.. much less places to store your stuff without looking ridiculous.. so keep it simple and keep it light... Plan on 1 -2 nights .. to keep warm and dry until you are rescued
I remember Dave mentioning a couple times that the 5/10 c’s is not necessarily about reducing a kit to 5 or 10 items. I don’t remember the way he phrased it but it’s about a kit that can meet the needs that the 5/10 c’s lays out. It could be 7 items or it could be 23 items. Just a guide to help you put together a kit that can perform basic survival functions if it was pressed into an emergency situation. Sorry if that’s confusing, it makes sense in my head but it’s not as clear when written out.
The ten 'C' are not ten items, but rather ten 'areas' or 'thoughts' that need to be covered. Dave also says that 'two is one and one is none', meaning plan for a backup item, e.g. a hatchet and a knife complement each other other as 'cutting tool'. I do agree with the core message of this video: A minimal first aid kit, tailored to your personal needs, should be on your person at all times. A second, more comprehensive, but still compact kit, belongs in the pack!
@Scott lindholm you are correct, Dave has a few videos posted where he explains that the 5/10 c’s are categories of items and they are not limited to one item each but what you need to facilitate your own survival should you have to inconveniently camp. He has also stated that first aid is a separate kit but, he has demonstrated and explained how the 5/10 c’s can also be use to facilitate first aid and emergency care
The 10 C's are categories. You're not limited to only one thing. A multitool is a cutting device, for example. You can carry an SAK or multitool AND carry a belt knife (that's also what Dave does). A full tang knife is going to be more durable and if you need to baton wood (for making a fire, making a bow drill, etc) you'll want something you can hit without worry of it breaking. Probably not something to worry about for an overnighter, but I'd prefer to have it if I expected to be out for longer periods. I carry an SAK or multitool mainly because it can provide a saw blade. Your "cotton bandana" is a first aid item, among it's many other uses. It's also why a shemagh is better, because it's larger. It can be a sling, a tourniquet, gauze, pressure dressing, etc. Cargo tape is another first aid item. Small cuts are not life threatening issues. Throw a piece of tape on it if you must, but you'll survive if you don't. However, I always have a couple bandaids in my wallet. If people carry a first aid kit, they're better off carry a basic TRAUMA kit and know how to use it. A tourniquet alone could save your life in a bad situation.
@@thomgizziz Nope, I sure didn't spend 12 years in the military, two tours to Iraq, TCCC Tier 2 training, red cross certified, and I definitely don't spend a lot of time in the woods and I certainly don't do a lot of survival, homesteading, and primitive classes all around the country. What even is a knife?
Instead of bandanas I use cheese cloth (the white of cheese cloth is easy to the cleanliness of that piece of cloth), but I do usually carry a couple of head wraps of some sort. I sweat a ton. First aid is definitely an essential for being out in the bush, even on a day trip. Never forget to take at least a few thousand calories with you as well. If you get tuck out of doors, you will need the nourishment.
👍 Yes, cheese cloth is a definite Yes! We used it extensively in the Mining Industry as a 'sweat towel' (deep level gold mining .. it's hot down there 😏). Once the 'newness' has been washed out of it, much preferable to the 'bandanna'.
Extra C's can be CARE= First Aid and personal meds and even include basic hygiene CALORIES= some food... even just an energy bar or 2 CALLING/COMMUNICATION= Whistle, bright bandanna, headlamp, chem. stick, signal panel etc.. CASH= some change and paper money for finding a store in town for food and water. The 10 C's of survivability are a GREAT idea for a basic kit and a starting point. Especially the first 5 as they are the most difficult to reproduce in nature but I agree, I always thought they could be expanded upon. Maybe it's time for Dave or someone to UPDATE the 10-C's to maybe the 15- C's (or however many)of survivability. JMHO 👍
I also have a few issues with the 10 C's. One of the philosophy points of the 10 C's is to help with the "lost hiker / lost hunter" in a 72 hour scenario. For the average person who stumbles across the 10 C's there are a couple of additions that will make an outsize difference. Chemical water treatment tablets, or a water filter (Sawyer, et al) for most people is a MUCH more reliable way to get potable water. Requiring a fire to have potable water is a huge issue for people who do not actively practice fire craft in adverse conditions. Communication device - a whistle (and optionally some chem lights). Yes, most people will just have a cell phone, but those are unreliable. Yes, there are multi-functional items in the 10 C's that cover some signaling capability - orange survival blanket, mirror on the compass, fire, etc. A whistle is one of the best ways to make yourself heard if you suspect rescuers are nearby - especially at night. A whistle and a chem light on a 2ft rope is one of the best night time signals you can have. I agree that the "repair" items (Cargo tape, Canvas needle) can be moved into the next 10 C's. Overall, I think in terms of different kits to meet my needs - and then I carry these in a layered way, some in my pockets, some on my body, some in the rucksack, some in the vehicle, etc. Fire Kit Shelter Kit Water Kit Cooking/Food Kit Navigation Kit First Aid Kit Signal Kit Tool Kit
@@charlesgoodroejr9540 I did not miss anything. The Cs are arranged in some kind of relative priority order to help in a survival situation. For the reasons I discussed - Chemical water purification and a Calling device should be seen as higher priorities than Cargo tape and a Canvas needle.
They are arranged in order of being the hardest to recreate in a situation. And are a starting point to build on. Dave never said, don't carry this or that. It is simple stuff that the average person could carry while out and about. By all means, carry your chemical water purification tablets, as he has said to before.
Fire to boil and sanitize water is the most reliable option because it's bombproof, especially long term. Get a pot. Get a stove (like Solo Stove that fits inside the pot) that you can use minimal combustible materials to start and burn a quick and efficient, smokeless fire to boil the water. Add in chemical tablets as a quick backup for on the move but you should always have both options.
Dave’s original lists: FIVE C's - Critical Items: (Addressing (Core Temperature Control [CTC]) - Critical for survival situation - Shelter, Fire and Water - Cutting, Combustion, Cover/Clothing, Container, Cordage NEXT FIVE Cs - Comfort Items - - Cotton Cloth, Compass, Candle, Canvas/Sailing needle Cargo Tape (previously included but replaced by tape and needle: Cargo - A good pack; Combination) FURTHER FIVE Cs - Convenience Items - Cutting Tool (2nd), Container (a pot), Cutting Tool Sharpener, Critter Gitter, Combination Tool --(added by ME)-- Complacent Items (Redundant-C’s ) - Capture/Consume (hunting / fishing / trapping), Communications, Currative (First aid), Cleanliness (hygiene), Cooking/Culinary
If you're going to carry cotton cloth for making char cloth, just buy firestarter. If you think you will wear a cotton shirt, keep in mind that Search and Rescue calls cotton clothing Death Cloth. Bic type lighter is primary combustion tool, think of your ferro rod as the backup.
@@USMC6976 Yep, I use a Bic Lighter before one of my Ferro Rods .. and standard Matches before the Bic Lighter. Matches and Bic Lighters can be sourced almost anywhere and are much more convenient than a Ferro Rod. I'm not Ferro Rod bashing .. I have quite a few and stay in practice using them. Perhaps as a 'Boomer', the good old 'Flame Safety Match' has been my GoTo from day one. Also as a never have smoker, Lighters (in my day, and part of the world, the 'Ronson' or equivalent was favourite) never featured.
@@thomasmusso1147 I live in the woods of Arkansas. I practice with a ferro rod at home, but my first choice in an emergency will always be the bic lighter I carry for just that purpose.
@@thomasmusso1147 @Greg Williams agreed! I think that all these types of lists and ‘kits’ are very dependent on their true purpose, your skill, and your situation! I firmly believe that you should BE ABLE to survive on primitive skill and no/little man-made resources. But that is worst case scenario survival - and how often do we realistically expect to be in that situation? Anything less than that is camping and you might as well make it easy on yourself and use modern tools - within reason. So much of these types of videos and concepts of survival and bushcraft are really just for entertainment. It’s men play-acting and reconnecting with their primitive nature. We do this kind of stuff - skillcraft and collecting tools / resources - for fun. So much of it is preference to the individual doing it and not any kind of ‘universal law’ that all must follow or be doomed. Personally, I like the challenge. Do I ever foresee myself being so far from all civilization that I must survive off the land for days or weeks? No. Will I ever really have the opportunity to go pioneering and build my cabin in the woods, 40 miles from the nearest town? No. Do I like dreaming about it? Heck yeah! So to keep that hope alive, I Bushcraft. ;-)
Completely agree about First Aid . I call my 11th C " Care " it's first aid & like half a roll of Toilet Paper. Bonus = Our family has found that we get a nice Dopamine hit by filling up garbage bags of other people's trash that has been left behind. so 12th C = Collect - result You are suddenly overflowing with Virtue. Wink :)
Triangia mess tins are like yours, they fit into an ALICE ammo pouch if you stuff the handle down the side. The original 10 wasn't 10 items like Dave's list; rather it was 10 areas to cover like first aid, extra food, extra clothes. I like Dave's 10C for a basic bushcraft kit, not survival kit. He often mentions mirror on a compass but not everyone wants that style of compass, so I always carry a dedicated signal mirror and whistle. Great video, nice to hear an opinion other than just a mirror of Dave's 10 C's.
I with you Sir! Nice to hear a professional opinion of diffrence. After 40 years camping/bushcraft/survival etc I still use many of the items i had back in the day. I run weekend survival courses back in the 80's using things I had learned from Major Les Hiddings and sergeant Major John Wiseman. In my eyes two of the best survival instructors ever both learned their skills from base elements the tribesmen themselves and enhanced their knowledge with western world equipment. Definitely a first aid kit with pain relief and bite sting cream inc and the biggest thing to carry is knowledge without that all the Gucci kit is not worth a piss. Great topic keep these videos coming 👍
I was trained on the "10 Essentials." Together with Cantebury's 10C's, you get a good framework for outdoor readiness. I also trained as an EMT, so the first aid kit, extra water, and extra food are always on my list.
Definitely would like to see more people pushing for a good, basic trauma kit solutions, IFAC and a pocket guide like Wilderness medicine and training because emergency prep off grid 'in the wild' has so many variables and ya need to be able to handle each situation, especially in grid down or super lost with potentially days plus with no medical care. And so obviously the severty of wound and location of that injury matters greatly. Some places commomly hiked all over still have spotty cell or none at all. So there really are no guarantees. We can only do our best and make medical a top priority. So....What prep items give you the best running chance without being able to carry a full medic's kit? Surely nothing even close to what I see most people pack especially with the ultra light craze going viral. You said it perfectly to start this conversation. And I am no medic, lol. But I say people working with knives all the time at work or play and really very used to it will say eventually there will be accidents. Bank on it. With fire and burns there are those added issues. Axe use. Falls...the list goes on. True story...I believe it was the two brothers who made Alone, Ted and Jim Baird that later on after the show were out filming one of their extreme white water adventures, hours away from help and in territory even the best recue teams would have issues with. They had to portage an area and Ted fell on his axe somehow scrambling up steep, wet rocks in just horrible cold conditions. Just a freak accident. I think it got his leg. He did go into shock. Luckily his brother knew what to do. I think, pretty sure they wrapped it with a Swat T but dont quote me. Regardless he had to walk atleast part way to an area he could be recused from. I live in NH and watch so many on video walking the AT is similar conditions with a baggie of bandaids and a few packs of creams. ????? Insane. Anyway.... I was a florist cutting flowers for decades so I get it. Bandaids were a joke, useless, especially in trying to carry on with hard on hands labor, aka tasks in messy, dirty, wet and cold conditions with a pretty bad cut. It takes super glue and duct tape and hopefully ya cleaned things out good enough first. Good work gloves would not be out of the question. This just happened to my guy splitting tinder with an axe for out wookstove. His thumb went down on the blade as he was using it to shave wood. Hes done this a thousand times. He is a Marine BTW and his nickname in the service was 'blade', he throws axes and knives for sport, so definately a knife and axe enthusiast for 40 plus years. He just was destracted and exhausted from OT at work, a long stormy commute home, after a long hard day at a very hard larbor job and freezing outside moving heavt sh%÷ the whole time.... and mistakes happen to the best. The point here is he cut deep and it just would not stop bleeding. He was just bleeding through gauze and medical tape like crazy even after using a small travel packet of blood stop. So don't bank on one is done. That is another joke. It took several attempts and wrapping it eventually with gorilla tape over the medical stuff tightly. Hard because it was on the top of his thumb and straight down. Then finally he could clean it a bit and super glue some through the mess of coagulated blood in the gell product. What a mess ! Being a Marine he refused to go to the ER, lol. Definitely needed stitches. So how to take care of something pretty simple like this with no running clean water, no hydrogen peroxide, no roll of gauze, no blood stop, no super glue, no good tape? My first go to always for medical is some kind of full package blood stop product, preferably blood stop gauze and depending on how bad the bleed you may have to use this first or stop bleeding with pressure somehow to clean, which isn't always easy or even completely possible with limited or sample size supplies. Next or beside this really is some way to wash out a wound once the bleed stops, especially if there is debris, dirt, gravel, wood with mold...you name it, and with filtered and purified treated water and not by using water pored out from a container that someone drank from. And you need clean hands to work on this that weren't just burying a duce out in the woods. So nitral gloves, hand sanitizer, stat. Packing out some kind of even small syringe or irrigation spout with dedicated sterile bag would be key like a Hydropak flask style. I was thinking the backflush syrindge from the Sawyer water filters could be key or a dual purpose item as well. Glad I didnt toss mine! But you still need a dedicated bag so packing out a simple dedicated sterile Silcone zip lock bag comes in handy here. These are very popular now as people use these instead of plastic throw away snack or sandwich bags or freezer bags. I buy them in set of 4 each snack, sandwhich, quart and gallon size. Great for organizing all my gear to keep things dry and compressed. Keep my medical supplies dry and sterile. I also carry Aquapure tabs so this takes care of purifying water. You may need allot, you may need atlittle water depending severity of injury, so these tabs are great to customize for amount. Just mark say a quart or gallon bag out with measurements ahead of time. So I have watched allot of professional career medics on You Tubers. Three got together with a challenge to pick only three trauma items. They all agreed a tourniquet, blood stop gauze, compressed gauze. One actually chose the Swat T three in one because it can be used in hard places a traditional won't work, and can be used on children a traditionalmay just be too big for and I am adding use on dogs. And for the fact it's a pretty versitile compression wrap, that fills a big niche. Skinny medic tested it on himself and was impressed. Now for compression and gauze, an Isreali is great but usually packs pretty big, so north American rescue makes some of the smallest packages of compreesed gauze we have found. And we both carry a full sized blood stop gauze. I can fit all this in my jacket pocket. So why not? I see people packing out camera gear, hunks of fat wood, three knives....omg. Ultra lighters have their selfie sticks, bags of junk food and a ton of camera batteries, and a snack bag if that of cheap dollar store bandaids and a pack of med. cream. The world has gone mad ya know. Stay tuned... Next a way to prevent infection. and apply some kind of bacteria killing agent. I go straight for alcohol even though medical professionals shy agains this. I carry this in a key chain flask. Better to carry hydrogen peroxide. Iodyne is great too, and the trusty tripple antibiotic cream applied a few times per day especially if bandage gets dirty, so plan on many packets. For itch or burn creams as well. You can blow through tons. I went to little refillable silicone tooth paste tubes because brand or store packaging is mostly air as we all know and I can buy bigger cheaper by volume and fill my stuff more efficiently to max capacity 8n a t8ny package. Just makes more sence. $....
I agree on First aid, after that machete attack on Appalachian Trail, I include a Tourniquet, 5x9 sterile pads, gauze roll, cohesive wrap. I don't use the 10 C's, but I include Brunton Map Compass, every time I get off trail to stealth camp or poop, I point Map Compass in direction I am heading, put "Red in the Shed", and that compass is set. Return direction is 180 degrees from that setting. Always have a pocket knife, lighter, whistle, & cash in my pocket. Other than that, I plan for overnight, have Food (+ tooth brush + Poop kit), Water (+ filter + Clorox), Shelter (Per Dave Canterbury: 3x4 piece of tarp + 55gal drum liner to lie on, SOL Escape Bivy to lie in, Arcturus Poncho to lie under), Warmth (clothes + gloves for coldest temperature I am expecting). Basic kit = 11lbs.
Humans have been using the first 5C's since 3100 BC, including yourself. Dave Canterbury will tell you he didn't invent the 10C's. He put it together as part of a system that is easy to teach and remember. They are categories of things needed. First Aid may not be listed in the 10C's but it is listed as "don't forget items" for your kit, both in his books and at his classes.
One thing I always critizes about Daves Cs is the first thing must be care, its crucial, fully agree. But he is not going into detail here often. First aid and out of which number 1 must always be the emergency blanket. He made some videos where he completely ignored first aid and the blankets, focusing to much on making fire etc but the more probable situation is cold and not having time or capability to make a fire due to injury, so having an emergency poncho and blanket and some other first aid stuff must be always number one in any list, before(!) anything else. I have seen videos even of attendees of his clases not carrying any real first aid not to mention emergency blankets ... and some videos of Dave ignore it and others of him he only mentions it very briefly as a side note really. This is against all survival rules I learned from military professionals of the German Mountain Troops in Bavaria (Gebirgsjäger). And more IMPORTANT: Care is not only about yourself but actually about your fellow camerades who are with you and need help, you might not be alone in the wilderness and still be in an emergency. This is true survival, caring is not only about yourself but others in the first place. So thank you for your Video, cheers from Germany
The 10 C's are Bushcraft gospel now no denying it. It's very easy to remember the 5 C's and or the 10 C's of survivability. They are the bare-bones basic necessities to have a easy time in a survival situation. Anything can be improved upon this is just your baseline skeleton of needs to smooth it vs rough it.
From an infantry perspective, if you can't keep warm the kit is no good. Wait till the weather is 20 degrees and go outside with your kit. If you say hell no. Your kit is deemed a failure. A 22 pistol is essential in my mind as well for survival and self defense. Because the 22 is light you can carry more ammo.
Not to bash Dave Canterbury but I completely agree with you a first aid kit is the first thing I add to any kit not to mention there is a difference between a first aid kit or boo-boo kit and a trauma kit. A very simple situation in the woods can go very bad very quickly.
The thing about the 10-Cs that most don't understand is that each "C" is a category and not individual piece. It is ALWAYS good to have redundancy in the kit. I teach adding 2 additional categories: 11) C = Care (first aid kit) 12) C = Communication (cell phone, satellite messenger, etc)
I agree. For Me, Compass also includes a map, notepad, pencil, march beads. Candling includes spare batteries. Communications also means whistle, flair, glo-stick, mirror, orange trash bags, in addition to cell phone, or radio.
I could not disagree more with you. The woods always tend to break stuff. A canvas needle saved my buddies trip when his pack strap ripped out. I have sewn a few others too on camping trips. Then there is the fact that it is multi use item. I have used it for digging out slivers in my hand from splitting wood. It could also be used as a compass because it is made from steel. I also keep a tiny magnet with my sail needle so it will be already magnetized and ready to go. I have never needed to use it as a compass, but it does work.
The 10 c's in its entirety is the the 10 categories that are the hardest to recreate in the wild. This is the purpose of the 10 c's. Dave will tell u he did not create this system but made it easier for people to remember and utilize. Of course any system can and should be revisited and modified based on needs and environment. Overall a really great system and u pointed out some really great things as well.
There are flaws in every system to be sure, but most of these system are just basic starting points or something to consider when creating your own. From there you just customize it to fit your needs as your skill increases, 🤔
Fully agree. Dave Canterbury's list has been developed from years of genuine experience so it's hard to argue against. However, I've heard Dave C on a number of occasions make it clear that his kit ideas are intended as reliable starting points and not intended to be strictly limited to the items he lists. Have a great day.
The 10C'S are all items that are difficult, time consuming, and calorie expensive to make from natural materials in a survival scenario. That is why they were selected as important to have as minimal kit. You can add whatever you want.
I think there are much better survival kits and systems than the 10c's, it has had the best marketing and monetization of the system when you compare to the alternatives though.
IMHO, I don't think the 10cs are flawed. In order to consider the 10cs flawed, you would have to go into the philosophy and application of the 10cs and specifically point out the flaw. I believe you needed a catchy title to attract viewers 🤔 After watching your vid, you catered your edc to your specific experience. Which is technically the guide to any go bag, get home bag, bug out bag, auto emergency kit, emergency go bag. Small edc kit. It's all relative to each persons specific needs and environment. Basically, it's a personalized kit suited to you. Still enjoyed the content, the title not so much. Thx 👍 👍
Everything is subjective and based on our own experiences. But I take issue from the constant regurgitation of the 10 cs and other lists with out much context or consideration that many newbie dont see the whole picture. That can be dangerous. Duct tape and sail needle certainly can treat a wound if that is all you have. But people need to be better prepared then that. And a first aid kit is a minimum in my opinion. I want people to question this dogmas and think for themselves. There is much to learn from many different sources.
@The Prepared Wanderer I agree, and I understand it was a good take on the typical 10cs. I understand that some constructive criticism may be offensive. It's definitely not my intention, but the title definitely caught my eye and peeked my interest. I viewed the entire video when you first aired it, I didn't want to comment then, but when it came up again, I figured why not comment. I enjoyed it, and I agree 100% with your reasoning. Past professional or personal experience will always influence a person's carry. Education is key! I appreciate hearing from you. Take care and keep doing what you do. 👍👍
I enjoyed this video. As much as I respect Dave Canterbury's willingness and ability to share his knowledge free of charge on TH-cam and think the 10 Cs make a lot of sense no one knows everything and it is good to see different perspectives. If I am just going out for a day hike/trail walk kind of thing I will have a FAK along with some, basic version of the 10Cs.. I haven't done a lot of back country camping (yeah, I mostly do campgrounds) but when I do if I plan to use an axe/hatchet/heavy chopper I want at least a real tourniquet and a couple packs of bleed stop with gauze pads and tape as a minimal trauma kit. Caution and prevention are key but an accident with one of those tools striking the wrong place and a basic FAK isn't going to do much good. I am also non-insulin dependent diabetic. My condition isn't severe and I could go one or maybe two days without eating but there will be no going three weeks without food, for me so I will always have at least a little food. Which also brings up carrying at least two or three days worth of your prescription meds along with the OTC stuff in an FAK. Dave Canterbury does talk about first aid but he is often pretty heavy on first aid usage of various plants and things available in the wild or on making tinctures, etc. and having them in his pack. In fact I think he did a whole series of videos on that. I think the subject is cool as all get out and learned a few things I could use in a pinch but for me and my experience level I want that container of commercially produced first aid goodies with me. Also, Mr. Canterbury has a few videos on 'the 15 C's' where he adds more items, including some of what he considers comfort items.
Great kit. I always add a few feet of flagging tape. It's lightweight and takes up almost no space at all. But can be invaluable if you get lost think you might have trouble finding your way back to your Basecamp.
Dave probably doesn’t include first aid because he expects you would be able to harvest first aid materials from the wild. But you can bet if I’m going away from home I’ve always got first aid nearby. Just added a couple tourniquets to my EDC bag.
I used to teach Wilderness Survival, way back in the 80's. I'm 61 now and I've learned a few things. First off, a First Aid Kit, is something you should always carry. Its a Basic needed item. I carry one on my bicycle, and when I hike, it goes in my pack. A Army Medic helped me build it. So here are my 7 C's that I have come up with 1. Cover, a Tarp or Rain Poncho, with stakes. Since you cannot always make stakes, easier to have them with you. 2. Cordage, I like 550 cord, always have, but each to their own. 3. Cutting. One is none, two is on e. So I carry a Swiss Army Deluxe Tinker, and a old Gerber Multi Tool. Plus a sheath knife, a tomahawk, and folding saw. Yep, even on a day hike. Because you never know how long a day hike might last. 4. Combustion. You pretty much covered that one nicely. Except I also carry Strike Any where Matches, yes you can still find them, in a water proof case. And yes, take some tinder with you. Whether you make it or buy it. 5. Container. I will always have a water bottle with me. Be it a Nalgene, or a Klean Kanteen. But that rectangular tin, a very goo idea. As for making drinkable water. I also carry coffee filters, rubber bands and the Pure Water Aqua Drops. Remember the higher up you go, the lower the temp water boils at. 6. Calories. I always have food with me on a day hike. But, I also carry enough food in case I have to spend the night outside, away from camp or trail head. 7. Communications. Now I am not talking a Cell Phone. I am talking a good loud Whistle, a Signal Mirror, a Bright Orange signal panel. Maybe some of the Chem Lights. Also a good bright flashlight. But a flashlight is something I always carry. The cotton bandana is also something I always have on me. My Army friend taught me how useful they are. As far as things like tape and a sewing kit. I think that depends on the person. Yes, I am old school. I don't worry about the weight too much, just if I have the right items I need. So that is my 7 C.s, and my two cents worth. Stay safe.
Ok we will try this the 10 c's are categories of item's the 10 c's also came out forever ago some saying you got to have a first aid kit a peice of duck tape works as a bandaide also a flame extender for fire starting gear repair etc the canvas needle can also be use for first aide gear repair sewinging etc. The 10s's was about survival to the guy who says i carry water filter or chemical disinfectant let me guess you carry a tent a fire extinguisher a hand pew pew a long pew pew you carrry everything but the kichen sink to the guy who say's oh in my area there fire bans. Guess what im going to have a fire. They can come write me a ticket then they can also walk me out or carry me to the guy that said in my area im more worried about the run off fron chemicals from people yards etc. Hey try this walk up to thw door and say im stranded can i have some water and help when i started exploring in the 70's we basically took the 10 c's now im 55 and still alive
👍👍👍 Good points regarding the First Aid Kit. One can add Signalling (whistle / reflective mirror .. the mirror being also a First Aid Item) and more to the Kit. I see the 10 C's as not 'Cast in Stone' but rather a Basis / Point of Departure .. something from which one can work or something to generate ideas regarding what should be carried at the time. Dave Canterbury does stress 'redundancies' regarding his list .. also interpreted as to 'Adapt the Kit to the Environment / envisaged Activity'. 'Kits' are very much a function of not 'what to include therein, but rather what to leave out'. What I do like is the use of Bank Line over 550 Paracord. '550' appears to have been a Mantra accepted and preached by each and every 'Survivalist / Bush Crafter / Whatever, out there.The last 55-odd years, 'Mason Line' and Nylon Washing Line / equivant has served me well. I have and use cheaper versions of 550 Cord .. having never seen the need to fork out the extra cash for the real deal. Correction, I have used '550' .. when attached to an overhead parachute canopy 😊. 'Search and Rescue'. Could you please talk about this sometimes. Based on your experience, what the average person out there should / should not do when going into the outdoors. I am sure that this would be of benefit to many. Good post .. thanks. Take care ..
What I got out of DC’s The 10c of survival video was that it was 10 critical categories, not just 10 items. He even said there were more categories and items, but these would make the core kit. And it was because these 10 items or categories were very hard to reproduce in the wild. He also said they could vary in importance depending on where you lived and surrounding environment. If you have the room, absolutely put a boo boo kit in. However I’m under the impression that a boo boo kit is simply not important enough or worth the weight vs it’s value in the overall list of items you could use. 1. Medical use is listed with 8 of the 10 items mentioned. Throw some superglue in there, and you’re set with about anything you could use a boo boo kit for. 2. If you’re in a situation where you’re down to using the 10c of survival, you’ve got bigger worries than not having bandaids and moleskins. You are not gonna die immediately from scrapes and small cuts. Oh, not sure if anybody caught it, but I think you left out the bivy/emergency blanket?
Do not switch out any of the 10'C's just add a couple to your kit and call your kit the 12 C's and have it all. The 10 C's is not one item for each of the 10 but each of the 10 C's is a category. Like cutin tool you have a belt knife attached to you as a primary blade but also have a SAK or Leatherman as a additional cutting tool. Cargo tape, needle and bandana are first aid items and the cotton bandages are also in the cotton category not to be left out of the 10 C's. I think Mors Kochanski talked about the 5 & 10 C's before Dave popularized them but Otze the 5,000 year old guy found frozen in the Alps was talking about the 10 C's before Dave & Mors
10 C’s are flawed?!? Ooo thems is fightin words. I’ve always read them as categories to start your kit with the understanding that modification is necessary based on your environment and needs. Improve, adapt and overcome.
I think after watching and reading comments that the 10 c's are a great idea. Most of the comments are spot on. One thing I would add about the 10c's is most of these items are in a category of items that are very time consuming to create in the wild. Its not that you can't make them but do you need something like a fire right now after falling in cold water. I agree with the category's but don't overlook the ITEM and the time and effort to recreate a cutting edge, or cordage, or a container or friction fire. Spend more time enjoying the outdoors because you have the 10 c's. Never stop learning.
A bandana is a bandage. Gorilla tape will hold it in place. The 10 c's are a springboard for essentials. He never said that's all you need. I'd add soap for sure as well as snarewire.But keeping with C's, how about coffee, cell phone, charging brick and cash.
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I find many bushcrafters have not worked outside everyday for thirty years.
I did commercial landscaping for over thirty years in Florida. The best tool I carried at all times was my Felco #2s. Nobody ever even mentions them. It was much more important than my Leatherman.
How come you did not touch the survival blanket on the mat
Ok, I never heard of the ten essentials. Thanks for bringing that to us. I'm looking it up as I watch your video.
I'm not a bushcrafter or even much of a hiker but I enjoy walking in the woods. My day pack includes; A 5x7 tarp, compass and map, fire kit (fire steel, lighter, matches, fat wood, tinder, pocket stove with 8 cubes and a silky pocketboy) first aid kit with a basic trauma kit, (tourniquet & Israeli bandage) Water kit (purification tablets, water bags and filter) Leatherman sidekick, trail marking tape, modified Stanley cook set, (with bale & sealable plastic lid) A packable jacket, wool socks and hat. Water and food appropriate for a day hike. Emergency food (2 backpacker meals, 2 cups each of oats, lentils, black beans, self rising flour, dried fruit and cous cous, a couple of boullion cubes, instant coffee, sugar, creamer, salt and honey packets) GPS locator beacon and a fixed blade knife (either a Becker bk2 companion or an OKC rat-5)
I'm not any kind of survival expert but I have been both lost and medically stranded in the woods. (On separate occasions) now I always go prepared.
Something no one ever talks about in these videos is what to do when you're injured. What if you break an arm or leg? Everything becomes incredibly difficult if not impossible. If you can't move around, keeping warm is hard.
Practicing survival skills is really just camping. Understand that being trapped either by being lost or injured is terrifying. Have something to focus you if you start to panic (sit down, sing a song, say a prayer, eat a candy bar, smoke a cigarette, whatever) Panicking won't help but being overconfident is more likely to get you killed. Never rely solely on technology. Both when I was lost and when I was injured, search and rescue were delayed by weather.
Take with you whatever you would want when you're dealing with extreme stress (for me it's food, music and cigarettes) keeping up your own moral will help more than almost anything. If you give up, your f*cked.
great point first aid ( CARE ) should always be included in most if not all kits. and if you wanna make the multitool a "C" call it a combination tool , Yanno just to keep with the C names. Thanks for your perspective.
My go to survival Headlamp ..is the Princeton Tech "BYTE".. a tiny lightweight waterproof single strap.. headlamp that runs on two AAA batteries...low -high & Red .. I use Energizer ultimate lithium batteries... In spare ultimate lithium AAA.. they are lighter than alkaline.. they do not leak like alkaline.. they work in the cold.. and they have a 10-year shelf life.. yes they were a bit pricey but I get them on sale.. I also have a
2×AAA handheld flashlight also...
I am in Central Texas. 8 months out of the year. It is hot. Most times lows will be over 65•F highs can be over 100. Shade during peak heat of the day, can be the difference between life and death. Shade cloth is light. Also the need to carry at least half a gallon of water is advised as a minimum.
My day hike kit includes a signal mirror & whistle and I have a bandana in a bright blue, so it is a good contrast vegetation for visibility. I also keep a extra snack/meal bar along with my food for the day.
I have a homemade first aid/trauma kit that's extremely small. I created it out of one of these tiny zip blood sugar monitor case... It contains a Swat T tourniquet. Can be used as a tourniquet or pressure bandage... Some gause .. a packet of blood stopper powder available at Walmart... A small scissors and tiny pen light tiny flashlight single AAA... Some med tape and some duct tape and two pieces of plastic that can be used as small chest seals.. large band-aid and small finger Band-Aids. Tiny mini envelope of antibiotic and a alcohol pad..... This kit is only 3 in x2in ×1 in .. and very lightweight
I agree with Stan Graves comment, and prefer to think in terms of the eight pillars of survival. Shelter, fire, water, and first aid are the first tier. The second tier is communication/signaling, navigation, food, and personal protection. You can include a ninth category, tools/repairs if you’d like, or the tools can be inclusive within whichever tier that they belong. Thanks for an informative video. The point is, find whichever way of covering your bases works best for you, then run with it.
The 10 C's addresses first aid if you understand the multi functionality of each item. The cotton material is a bandage or splint. A small piece of cotton material with the gorilla tape is a bandaid. The cordage can be used for splints and tourniquets. The needle can sew stitches and dig out splinters. Disinfect the needle with fire first. The magnify lens on the compass helps look at splinters, etc... more closely. The mirror on the compass allows you to look at your face/eyes or check your back for ticks, leaches, etc... The space blanket can wrap up a person in shock or who is suffering hypothermia. He always says the C's are just categories, and you can carry multiple of each if you want. If you watch his videos he explains all of this.
I like antiseptic options. Particularly the kind that double for wound treatment and water purification. This might be Iodine or Potassium Permanganate. My view on containers is these have a few basic functions to cover. Water transportation, purification, cooking, char manufacture and containment of sharp objects such as needles.
I particularly like items that gracefully fail over from wanted backpacking items. A metal water bottle might normally store dry wood for a twig stove as the hydration bag and filter system has not failed yet. An Altoid mini tin can carry tinder, water purification and a canvas needle. With a light weight survival system near 1 to 3 pounds, the rest of a backpack dry weight can focus on the backpack as planned objective and base weights near 8 points are often easily achieved. Further, Ultra Light objectives have a creditable survival system baked in for the backpack gone sideways.
I see the 10c’s as an outstanding survival guidelines that you could modify them accordingly to your needs and environment. Professor Canterbury verbalized it in several teaching videos. The purpose of a
guideline, not a policy that is mandatory, is a general recommendation or point of view of how to do things easier due to different proven experiences.
Personally, first aid and a traumatic kit must be included as part of an item in the C’s.
I haven't watched the video yet, but a BOLD statement to say the ten Cs are flawed. I gotta watch!
Ok... I watched. Dave doesn't include a boo boo kit probably because nothing in a boo boo kit is central to survival (in the range of snivel gear unless you're talking about a tourniquet... But there's some inherent issues with that level of injury) and with some skills, you can handle most more serious burns, cuts and breaks with harvested materials. Saps being a natural antiseptic and walnut hulls too. Dave knows all that and can do it with a knife and knowledge. I'd say that's where his classes come in and others like it.
I say all that, but I too carry a full blow out (IFAK.)
But seeing it full circle, my money is still on the 10Cs. But I very much appreciate your 11 Cs idea👍 good video sir.
You made me a subscriber👍
Totally agree, living in Australia you must carry 2 snake bite (compression bandages) and a very good way of stopping blood flow. Due to the isolation it’s important for those items.
Bank line is cool. Dave likes it but you can snap it fairly easy and it frays. Parachord is very strong.
I included a first aid kit with my 10 c’s. But my first aid kit does not have anything with an adhesive. No bandaids. No tape. None of them. Instead I have little rolls of co-band. It has no adhesive and it only sticks to itself. I’m allergic to all adhesives.
I agree gotta have first aid kit
C = Care
Good video , thanks for sharing , God bless !
I own several esee and there awesome but that warranty does mean anything in SHTF.. especially it its bad enough. I recommend esee but i also recommend others also. Any of the kabar BK series. Tops., benchamde, bark river
I agree with first aid comment. I would also include a paper map and pocket sized binoculars
Walmart, in the camping section, sells a stainless steel camping cup that nests with the Nalgene/ Kleenex kanteen bottles. It is not as large as the military surplus canteen cups, but it works for boiling water, etc.
Hard to argue with Dave C and I always use his 10 C's as a starting point. However, my belief is there is no universal do it all kit. You really need to modify your kits to account where you are travelling (ie. climate and environment) and personal situation. For example, I add 'Care' (eg. first aid/personal care) and 'Communication' (usually a whistle & mirror). Anyway, thanks for the vid. Love hearing different ideas and opinions - helps improve my own knowledge and makes me think about my own gear.
That's all the ten C's are meant for. A starting point. The ten c's are the hardest items to make in the wilderness.
Water and food are rarely mentioned. It seems water would be the first item on any survival list.
Nice video man! Great work! I agree with your extras in the 10 c's. I would also add food. Yeah. I dont know why you skipped that. Have food rations with you. Mres perhaps...
Just got to what how much you add before the survival kit is no longer light weight or takes up too much space. Depending where I'm travelling I sometimes add a small chocolate bar and/or small bag glucose lollies and/or similar for emergency use if required. Avoid foods requiring water in your survival kit. Have a great day.
The 10C is a starting point. Because a first aid kit should be personalized, never use a generic first aid kit. Basically, everything in the 10C should be personalized. They are more of a list so you don't forget something. Because everybody I've ever done a pocket dump with all of our 10C are different items, but go in the categories.
Customization of the basic kit for your area of operation is key to success. We always pack a few water purification tablets just in case water is needed pronto. We are retired, and living in the Philippine islands. We have a lot of water sources but you had better not drink any of it without first treating the water. The ability to make a fire is universally important. Pasteurizing water, cooking food, and in some locations, you will need heat. When visiting the mountains of Baguio, 215 Klicks (133 miles) north of our home base, it can get rather frosty. We add a few sachets of electrolyte powder to treat serious dehydration. For our location, bug nets and repellent should be considered mandatory. Some of our skeeters carry bad things such as malaria and dengue fever. Better safe than sorry. We also tend to go full tilt on medical supplies with a large kit. It would be a shame to waste Beautiful Bride's nursing skills. She has worked in many positions including recovery room, ER, OR, and with children and geriatric folks.
The ripspool is a very cool item, but at over thirty dollars Exotac can get fucked. The over pricing in this industry is ridiculous right now.
Wouldn't the cotton bandana and cargo tape cover first aid? The bandanna can be used as gauze, a sling, a tourniquet, wound packing etc and cargo tape can be used as bandaids, blister covers, and with the mylar blanket to make a chest seal. Just to name a few things that come to mind.
I wouldn’t want to rely on those in an emergency or take the time to fashion them
If you have the skill and ability you are right - if it's all you got then you use it. However, for those that may not have the skill sets, a few dedicated first aid items such as some sticky plasters, crepe bandages and iodine cream can make it easier. Have a great day.
When I list items out , I tend to take for granted everyone already knows to add the most important items to a Survival Kit, I carry a Med-Pak but a decent pocket sized First Aid Kit is usually all that would be necessary, make one! Plastic Heavy Duty Trash Bags I always add in. And always Spare Socks and a good pair of Leather Gloves.
The bags, socks and gloves are required items for SRO basic survival class. Not everyone knows what is needed. We lose people every year here in Colorado.
Some of us have been at this so long that we come close to carrying the original 10 C’s as our EDC. With the exception of the container and a poncho or tarp. Both of which are a tad cumbersome for EDC here in the States but probably live in every bush vehicle in Australia & Africa. One of the beauties of the outdoor mindset is learning to live through deliberate thinking. Adherence to a strict list rather than a mindset gets people in trouble and can even stymie growth. I cringe at the lack of gear that many younger “through hikers” dawdle off with. Gear that that creates independence. They often lack any troubleshooting capabilities at all. Their phone dies or they lose a signal (which is how everyone enjoyed the wilderness prior to 1996-ish) and they have no backup plan whatsoever. True bushmen rarely think about Mr Helicopter. Us old schools still associate litter rescues as indicators of massive trauma.
The 10c’s include cordage, cotton, and cargo tape that can cover the creation of sutures, tourniquets, etc.
It just takes the knowledge.
Yep. I think I watched greybeard do a video on placing the tape on either side of a "wound" and using the bank line and needle to pull the tape together to close a wound stitching the tape vs the flesh.
The first 5 'C's were originally developed by Horace Kephart, not Dave Canterbury.
I’ve heard him say multiple times that it isn’t 5/10 items, but 5/10 categories of items
Being realistic:
1. Pack according to environment, risks & needs.
2. 15+ Cs of survivability needed.
Yeah . . . it's not that the 10Cs are flawed it's just they should have two more things IMO. The 11th C should be, as you indicated, for Cure- or medical that includes a tourniquet, clotting package, blister kit, bandaids, tylenol, etc. (already has the cargo tape and bandana); then the 12th C = Calories, to include but not limited to candy/energy bar to get one through the day. I actually sent Dave Canterbury a 10C boonie hat- very lightweight, had all 10 categories with redundancies, that you could stuff comfortably into your pockets. The band going around the hat has small items secured to it; cordage fitted and taped to the inside of the hat, a button flashlight that could be taped to the brim for hands free illumination, neck chain with knife, whistle, extra button flashlight, and so on. Haven't heard back from him though.
Hi, Great vid. I have looked but can't find the specific headlamp on Amazon or anywhere - the nearest model doesn't have all the options. Could you tell me, please, which model this was and is it still available? Thanks.
Just a bit of personal observation - the debate about items versus actions versus mindset is "chalk and cheese" or comparing apples and elephants in my view. It seems obvious to me that 10 Cs (or 10 essentials) aren't meant to be prescriptive or limiting, but aiming to highlight both needs (such as lighting) and meeting those needs (e.g.; headlamp). Thus, it makes sense to think about how to meet those needs and what is the minimum that might do so. An EDC kit is going to be different to a fully prepared expedition and even a very good first aid kit isn't going to equal a hospital. At the same time, it is worth recognising that survival advice has often come from situations where people survived despite not being prepared and having little or no equipment. This is where skill/mindset and equipment cross over. No point in having a house full of different edc kits for different scenarios (home/work/fire/flood) if you don't have the right one with you or the one you have isn't appropriate. And you can't carry everything - although I have seen people try to have pocket/pouch/backpack and car kits to cover every eventuality!
It seems you are not against 10C's of DC, instead you presented your choice.
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@@ThePreparedWanderer It must be a page only for US citizens, because for me, in Europe, the following message appears: "The contents have been removed or that the respective owner has shared them with a restricted group of people or changed who can see them." Is there any other way?
The 10 C's is probably the most parroted system on the internet, mostly by those with little experience. I never liked a system that teaches you what to carry vs what to do. The rule of 3's is far superior of a system as it teaches the priorities in a survival situation. Just add in signaling and navigation to the rule of 3's and you have a complete survival system. You carry what you feel comfortable with and know how to use to address each priority. The 10 C's is more of a "Bushcraft Kit" as opposed to a survival system. If you study those that have survived being stranded in the wilderness, most survived because of their Positive Attitude.....the will to live. 3 seconds without hope is #1 in the rule of 3's. No mention of Positive attitude in the 10 C's nor any mention of First Aid items which is #2 in the rule of 3's (3 minutes without air is a metaphor for bodily function, First Aid). There is quite a bit of overlap in the rule of 3's and the 10 essentials. There is no perfect system, each and every one is lacking, so you should learn them all, not simply take one as the gospel as so many have done with the 10 C's.
It gives you a starting point. It isn't meant to tell you that you have to carry this and that. It is teaching you that should care something for shelter, gathering water etc.
While the larger 10c kits are optimal.. and great if you know you're going out in the woods.. let's talk about EDC.. your everyday carry that if forced to you can use for survival... If you're riding in your vehicle you have your get home bag.... but what if your riding your mountain bike .. you're not going to have all that heavy gear on you or say you happen to find yourself in the woods and you were not planning on it.. you need super lightweight gear that you can carry with you EDC in your pockets that will help you in those situations. I have developed much smaller lightweight kits that can be used in a pinch.. get you through a night or two... Most of it contains.. a lighter Mil.. folded up trash bag..SOL LARGE XL .. lightweight survival blanket that can be put in my pocket.. of course a MINI Bic lighter. A fire starting tab.. small Ferro rod or magnesium block type...folding knife or swiss army knife .. WATER PURIFICATION TABLETS ." 2 types . Aqua tab which water is ready in 30 minutes (but does not kill cryptosporidium)..& katadyne brand . Which kills cryptosporidium in all harmful stuff but takes hours to work before you can drink it....world pack water bag..(if I'm not carrying a water bottle comes in handy).. a compass..quality but smaller then the MC2.. can also use a base compass of good quality. smaller one.. wrist compass.. sunto makes a great one
.. you can throw the kitchen sink in there but remember these are EDC items that you will have on you at all times so the more stuff you carry the less likely you're going to have it on you.. also winter time you have lots of pockets in your coats.. even fall you will have a jacket on with pockets..BUT in summer you may only have your cargo shorts on.. much less places to store your stuff without looking ridiculous.. so keep it simple and keep it light... Plan on 1 -2 nights .. to keep warm and dry until you are rescued
Don't see anything to strike the ferro rod with....
You can't get a spark with the Esee unless you grind the coating off.
Multitool
That'll teach me not to stop watching with 2 minutes left.
I carry some food items in mine
I include water purification tablets
Coming from the originator of the 100 C's
I remember Dave mentioning a couple times that the 5/10 c’s is not necessarily about reducing a kit to 5 or 10 items. I don’t remember the way he phrased it but it’s about a kit that can meet the needs that the 5/10 c’s lays out. It could be 7 items or it could be 23 items. Just a guide to help you put together a kit that can perform basic survival functions if it was pressed into an emergency situation. Sorry if that’s confusing, it makes sense in my head but it’s not as clear when written out.
The ten 'C' are not ten items, but rather ten 'areas' or 'thoughts' that need to be covered.
Dave also says that 'two is one and one is none', meaning plan for a backup item, e.g. a hatchet and a knife complement each other other as 'cutting tool'.
I do agree with the core message of this video: A minimal first aid kit, tailored to your personal needs, should be on your person at all times. A second, more comprehensive, but still compact kit, belongs in the pack!
It's based on 5 or 10 categories not 5 or 10 items
Yes, categories of items!
@Scott lindholm you are correct, Dave has a few videos posted where he explains that the 5/10 c’s are categories of items and they are not limited to one item each but what you need to facilitate your own survival should you have to inconveniently camp. He has also stated that first aid is a separate kit but, he has demonstrated and explained how the 5/10 c’s can also be use to facilitate first aid and emergency care
Excellent! Well said! Correct in every way!
The 10 C's are categories. You're not limited to only one thing. A multitool is a cutting device, for example. You can carry an SAK or multitool AND carry a belt knife (that's also what Dave does). A full tang knife is going to be more durable and if you need to baton wood (for making a fire, making a bow drill, etc) you'll want something you can hit without worry of it breaking. Probably not something to worry about for an overnighter, but I'd prefer to have it if I expected to be out for longer periods. I carry an SAK or multitool mainly because it can provide a saw blade.
Your "cotton bandana" is a first aid item, among it's many other uses. It's also why a shemagh is better, because it's larger. It can be a sling, a tourniquet, gauze, pressure dressing, etc. Cargo tape is another first aid item. Small cuts are not life threatening issues. Throw a piece of tape on it if you must, but you'll survive if you don't. However, I always have a couple bandaids in my wallet. If people carry a first aid kit, they're better off carry a basic TRAUMA kit and know how to use it. A tourniquet alone could save your life in a bad situation.
And that is all theoretical to you, isn't it? You haven't done any of the things you are talking about.
@@thomgizziz Nope, I sure didn't spend 12 years in the military, two tours to Iraq, TCCC Tier 2 training, red cross certified, and I definitely don't spend a lot of time in the woods and I certainly don't do a lot of survival, homesteading, and primitive classes all around the country. What even is a knife?
You should add me to your group to have a good discussion about this as I think you have a few misconceptions about the 10 C’s in general
The group is public feel free to join. It is in the video description
Instead of bandanas I use cheese cloth (the white of cheese cloth is easy to the cleanliness of that piece of cloth), but I do usually carry a couple of head wraps of some sort. I sweat a ton. First aid is definitely an essential for being out in the bush, even on a day trip. Never forget to take at least a few thousand calories with you as well. If you get tuck out of doors, you will need the nourishment.
👍 Yes, cheese cloth is a definite Yes! We used it extensively in the Mining Industry as a 'sweat towel' (deep level gold mining .. it's hot down there 😏). Once the 'newness' has been washed out of it, much preferable to the 'bandanna'.
Extra C's can be
CARE= First Aid and personal meds and even include basic hygiene
CALORIES= some food... even just an energy bar or 2
CALLING/COMMUNICATION= Whistle, bright bandanna, headlamp, chem. stick, signal panel etc..
CASH= some change and paper money for finding a store in town for food and water.
The 10 C's of survivability are a GREAT idea for a basic kit and a starting point. Especially the first 5 as they are the most difficult to reproduce in nature but I agree, I always thought they could be expanded upon. Maybe it's time for Dave or someone to UPDATE the 10-C's to maybe the 15- C's (or however many)of survivability. JMHO 👍
I also have a few issues with the 10 C's. One of the philosophy points of the 10 C's is to help with the "lost hiker / lost hunter" in a 72 hour scenario. For the average person who stumbles across the 10 C's there are a couple of additions that will make an outsize difference.
Chemical water treatment tablets, or a water filter (Sawyer, et al) for most people is a MUCH more reliable way to get potable water. Requiring a fire to have potable water is a huge issue for people who do not actively practice fire craft in adverse conditions.
Communication device - a whistle (and optionally some chem lights). Yes, most people will just have a cell phone, but those are unreliable. Yes, there are multi-functional items in the 10 C's that cover some signaling capability - orange survival blanket, mirror on the compass, fire, etc. A whistle is one of the best ways to make yourself heard if you suspect rescuers are nearby - especially at night. A whistle and a chem light on a 2ft rope is one of the best night time signals you can have.
I agree that the "repair" items (Cargo tape, Canvas needle) can be moved into the next 10 C's.
Overall, I think in terms of different kits to meet my needs - and then I carry these in a layered way, some in my pockets, some on my body, some in the rucksack, some in the vehicle, etc.
Fire Kit
Shelter Kit
Water Kit
Cooking/Food Kit
Navigation Kit
First Aid Kit
Signal Kit
Tool Kit
You are missing the point of the ten c's. It isn't meant as individual items. It is meant as ten areas that are hard to make in wilderness.
@@charlesgoodroejr9540 I did not miss anything. The Cs are arranged in some kind of relative priority order to help in a survival situation.
For the reasons I discussed - Chemical water purification and a Calling device should be seen as higher priorities than Cargo tape and a Canvas needle.
They are arranged in order of being the hardest to recreate in a situation. And are a starting point to build on. Dave never said, don't carry this or that. It is simple stuff that the average person could carry while out and about. By all means, carry your chemical water purification tablets, as he has said to before.
Oh and cargo tape will help you get that fire going after lose the ability to call anyone because your cellphone died or broke..
Fire to boil and sanitize water is the most reliable option because it's bombproof, especially long term.
Get a pot. Get a stove (like Solo Stove that fits inside the pot) that you can use minimal combustible materials to start and burn a quick and efficient, smokeless fire to boil the water.
Add in chemical tablets as a quick backup for on the move but you should always have both options.
Dave’s original lists:
FIVE C's - Critical Items: (Addressing (Core Temperature Control [CTC]) - Critical for survival situation - Shelter, Fire and Water
- Cutting, Combustion, Cover/Clothing, Container, Cordage
NEXT FIVE Cs - Comfort Items -
- Cotton Cloth, Compass, Candle, Canvas/Sailing needle Cargo Tape
(previously included but replaced by tape and needle: Cargo - A good pack; Combination)
FURTHER FIVE Cs - Convenience Items
- Cutting Tool (2nd), Container (a pot), Cutting Tool Sharpener, Critter Gitter, Combination Tool
--(added by ME)--
Complacent Items (Redundant-C’s )
- Capture/Consume (hunting / fishing / trapping), Communications, Currative (First aid), Cleanliness (hygiene), Cooking/Culinary
If you're going to carry cotton cloth for making char cloth, just buy firestarter. If you think you will wear a cotton shirt, keep in mind that Search and Rescue calls cotton clothing Death Cloth. Bic type lighter is primary combustion tool, think of your ferro rod as the backup.
@@USMC6976 Yep, I use a Bic Lighter before one of my Ferro Rods .. and standard Matches before the Bic Lighter.
Matches and Bic Lighters can be sourced almost anywhere and are much more convenient than a Ferro Rod. I'm not Ferro Rod bashing .. I have quite a few and stay in practice using them.
Perhaps as a 'Boomer', the good old 'Flame Safety Match' has been my GoTo from day one. Also as a never have smoker, Lighters (in my day, and part of the world, the 'Ronson' or equivalent was favourite) never featured.
@@thomasmusso1147 I live in the woods of Arkansas. I practice with a ferro rod at home, but my first choice in an emergency will always be the bic lighter I carry for just that purpose.
@@thomasmusso1147 @Greg Williams
agreed! I think that all these types of lists and ‘kits’ are very dependent on their true purpose, your skill, and your situation! I firmly believe that you should BE ABLE to survive on primitive skill and no/little man-made resources. But that is worst case scenario survival - and how often do we realistically expect to be in that situation? Anything less than that is camping and you might as well make it easy on yourself and use modern tools - within reason.
So much of these types of videos and concepts of survival and bushcraft are really just for entertainment. It’s men play-acting and reconnecting with their primitive nature. We do this kind of stuff - skillcraft and collecting tools / resources - for fun. So much of it is preference to the individual doing it and not any kind of ‘universal law’ that all must follow or be doomed.
Personally, I like the challenge. Do I ever foresee myself being so far from all civilization that I must survive off the land for days or weeks? No.
Will I ever really have the opportunity to go pioneering and build my cabin in the woods, 40 miles from the nearest town? No.
Do I like dreaming about it? Heck yeah!
So to keep that hope alive, I Bushcraft. ;-)
Thanks for the vid...Mors Kochanski...HE is the guy who's knowledge Dave C. stole and profited from. Plain and simple.
Completely agree about First Aid . I call my 11th C " Care " it's first aid & like half a roll of Toilet Paper. Bonus = Our family has found that we get a nice Dopamine hit by filling up garbage bags of other people's trash that has been left behind. so 12th C = Collect - result You are suddenly overflowing with Virtue. Wink :)
Triangia mess tins are like yours, they fit into an ALICE ammo pouch if you stuff the handle down the side. The original 10 wasn't 10 items like Dave's list; rather it was 10 areas to cover like first aid, extra food, extra clothes. I like Dave's 10C for a basic bushcraft kit, not survival kit. He often mentions mirror on a compass but not everyone wants that style of compass, so I always carry a dedicated signal mirror and whistle. Great video, nice to hear an opinion other than just a mirror of Dave's 10 C's.
I with you Sir! Nice to hear a professional opinion of diffrence. After 40 years camping/bushcraft/survival etc I still use many of the items i had back in the day. I run weekend survival courses back in the 80's using things I had learned from Major Les Hiddings and sergeant Major John Wiseman. In my eyes two of the best survival instructors ever both learned their skills from base elements the tribesmen themselves and enhanced their knowledge with western world equipment. Definitely a first aid kit with pain relief and bite sting cream inc and the biggest thing to carry is knowledge without that all the Gucci kit is not worth a piss. Great topic keep these videos coming 👍
I was trained on the "10 Essentials." Together with Cantebury's 10C's, you get a good framework for outdoor readiness. I also trained as an EMT, so the first aid kit, extra water, and extra food are always on my list.
KFC:
KNIFE
FIRE
COVER
and
signaling
The Cs is the mentality of COLLECTING not preparing.
Definitely would like to see more people pushing for a good, basic trauma kit solutions, IFAC and a pocket guide like Wilderness medicine and training because emergency prep off grid 'in the wild' has so many variables and ya need to be able to handle each situation, especially in grid down or super lost with potentially days plus with no medical care. And so obviously the severty of wound and location of that injury matters greatly. Some places commomly hiked all over still have spotty cell or none at all. So there really are no guarantees. We can only do our best and make medical a top priority.
So....What prep items give you the best running chance without being able to carry a full medic's kit? Surely nothing even close to what I see most people pack especially with the ultra light craze going viral.
You said it perfectly to start this conversation.
And I am no medic, lol. But I say people working with knives all the time at work or play and really very used to it will say eventually there will be accidents. Bank on it. With fire and burns there are those added issues. Axe use. Falls...the list goes on.
True story...I believe it was the two brothers who made Alone, Ted and Jim Baird that later on after the show were out filming one of their extreme white water adventures, hours away from help and in territory even the best recue teams would have issues with. They had to portage an area and Ted fell on his axe somehow scrambling up steep, wet rocks in just horrible cold conditions. Just a freak accident. I think it got his leg. He did go into shock. Luckily his brother knew what to do. I think, pretty sure they wrapped it with a Swat T but dont quote me. Regardless he had to walk atleast part way to an area he could be recused from.
I live in NH and watch so many on video walking the AT is similar conditions with a baggie of bandaids and a few packs of creams. ????? Insane.
Anyway....
I was a florist cutting flowers for decades so I get it. Bandaids were a joke, useless, especially in trying to carry on with hard on hands labor, aka tasks in messy, dirty, wet and cold conditions with a pretty bad cut. It takes super glue and duct tape and hopefully ya cleaned things out good enough first. Good work gloves would not be out of the question.
This just happened to my guy splitting tinder with an axe for out wookstove. His thumb went down on the blade as he was using it to shave wood. Hes done this a thousand times. He is a Marine BTW and his nickname in the service was 'blade', he throws axes and knives for sport, so definately a knife and axe enthusiast for 40 plus years. He just was destracted and exhausted from OT at work, a long stormy commute home, after a long hard day at a very hard larbor job and freezing outside moving heavt sh%÷ the whole time.... and mistakes happen to the best. The point here is he cut deep and it just would not stop bleeding. He was just bleeding through gauze and medical tape like crazy even after using a small travel packet of blood stop. So don't bank on one is done. That is another joke. It took several attempts and wrapping it eventually with gorilla tape over the medical stuff tightly. Hard because it was on the top of his thumb and straight down. Then finally he could clean it a bit and super glue some through the mess of coagulated blood in the gell product. What a mess ! Being a Marine he refused to go to the ER, lol. Definitely needed stitches.
So how to take care of something pretty simple like this with no running clean water, no hydrogen peroxide, no roll of gauze, no blood stop, no super glue, no good tape?
My first go to always for medical is some kind of full package blood stop product, preferably blood stop gauze and depending on how bad the bleed you may have to use this first or stop bleeding with pressure somehow to clean, which isn't always easy or even completely possible with limited or sample size supplies. Next or beside this really is some way to wash out a wound once the bleed stops, especially if there is debris, dirt, gravel, wood with mold...you name it, and with filtered and purified treated water and not by using water pored out from a container that someone drank from. And you need clean hands to work on this that weren't just burying a duce out in the woods. So nitral gloves, hand sanitizer, stat. Packing out some kind of even small syringe or irrigation spout with dedicated sterile bag would be key like a Hydropak flask style. I was thinking the backflush syrindge from the Sawyer water filters could be key or a dual purpose item as well. Glad I didnt toss mine! But you still need a dedicated bag so packing out a simple dedicated sterile Silcone zip lock bag comes in handy here. These are very popular now as people use these instead of plastic throw away snack or sandwich bags or freezer bags. I buy them in set of 4 each snack, sandwhich, quart and gallon size. Great for organizing all my gear to keep things dry and compressed. Keep my medical supplies dry and sterile. I also carry Aquapure tabs so this takes care of purifying water. You may need allot, you may need atlittle water depending severity of injury, so these tabs are great to customize for amount. Just mark say a quart or gallon bag out with measurements ahead of time.
So I have watched allot of professional career medics on You Tubers. Three got together with a challenge to pick only three trauma items. They all agreed a tourniquet, blood stop gauze, compressed gauze. One actually chose the Swat T three in one because it can be used in hard places a traditional won't work, and can be used on children a traditionalmay just be too big for and I am adding use on dogs. And for the fact it's a pretty versitile compression wrap, that fills a big niche. Skinny medic tested it on himself and was impressed. Now for compression and gauze, an Isreali is great but usually packs pretty big, so north American rescue makes some of the smallest packages of compreesed gauze we have found. And we both carry a full sized blood stop gauze. I can fit all this in my jacket pocket. So why not?
I see people packing out camera gear, hunks of fat wood, three knives....omg. Ultra lighters have their selfie sticks, bags of junk food and a ton of camera batteries, and a snack bag if that of cheap dollar store bandaids and a pack of med. cream.
The world has gone mad ya know. Stay tuned...
Next a way to prevent infection.
and apply some kind of bacteria killing agent. I go straight for alcohol even though medical professionals shy agains this. I carry this in a key chain flask. Better to carry hydrogen peroxide. Iodyne is great too, and the trusty tripple antibiotic cream applied a few times per day especially if bandage gets dirty, so plan on many packets. For itch or burn creams as well. You can blow through tons.
I went to little refillable silicone tooth paste tubes because brand or store packaging is mostly air as we all know and I can buy bigger cheaper by volume and fill my stuff more efficiently to max capacity 8n a t8ny package. Just makes more sence. $....
I agree on First aid, after that machete attack on Appalachian Trail, I include a Tourniquet, 5x9 sterile pads, gauze roll, cohesive wrap. I don't use the 10 C's, but I include Brunton Map Compass, every time I get off trail to stealth camp or poop, I point Map Compass in direction I am heading, put "Red in the Shed", and that compass is set. Return direction is 180 degrees from that setting. Always have a pocket knife, lighter, whistle, & cash in my pocket. Other than that, I plan for overnight, have Food (+ tooth brush + Poop kit), Water (+ filter + Clorox), Shelter (Per Dave Canterbury: 3x4 piece of tarp + 55gal drum liner to lie on, SOL Escape Bivy to lie in, Arcturus Poncho to lie under), Warmth (clothes + gloves for coldest temperature I am expecting). Basic kit = 11lbs.
Humans have been using the first 5C's since 3100 BC, including yourself. Dave Canterbury will tell you he didn't invent the 10C's. He put it together as part of a system that is easy to teach and remember. They are categories of things needed. First Aid may not be listed in the 10C's but it is listed as "don't forget items" for your kit, both in his books and at his classes.
Yes aware of david. But his products are so expensive. Im sure hus classes are as well
One thing I always critizes about Daves Cs is the first thing must be care, its crucial, fully agree. But he is not going into detail here often. First aid and out of which number 1 must always be the emergency blanket. He made some videos where he completely ignored first aid and the blankets, focusing to much on making fire etc but the more probable situation is cold and not having time or capability to make a fire due to injury, so having an emergency poncho and blanket and some other first aid stuff must be always number one in any list, before(!) anything else. I have seen videos even of attendees of his clases not carrying any real first aid not to mention emergency blankets ... and some videos of Dave ignore it and others of him he only mentions it very briefly as a side note really. This is against all survival rules I learned from military professionals of the German Mountain Troops in Bavaria (Gebirgsjäger). And more IMPORTANT: Care is not only about yourself but actually about your fellow camerades who are with you and need help, you might not be alone in the wilderness and still be in an emergency. This is true survival, caring is not only about yourself but others in the first place. So thank you for your Video, cheers from Germany
Look at what Thru hikers carry, they walk from Mexico to Canada, no big knives, tape, needles, cordage
The 10 C's are Bushcraft gospel now no denying it.
It's very easy to remember the 5 C's and or the 10 C's of survivability. They are the bare-bones basic necessities to have a easy time in a survival situation. Anything can be improved upon this is just your baseline skeleton of needs to smooth it vs rough it.
From an infantry perspective, if you can't keep warm the kit is no good. Wait till the weather is 20 degrees and go outside with your kit. If you say hell no. Your kit is deemed a failure. A 22 pistol is essential in my mind as well for survival and self defense. Because the 22 is light you can carry more ammo.
Not to bash Dave Canterbury but I completely agree with you a first aid kit is the first thing I add to any kit not to mention there is a difference between a first aid kit or boo-boo kit and a trauma kit. A very simple situation in the woods can go very bad very quickly.
Great addition I as a Scout A.B.G.D. trained ex Deputy Sheriff and C.E.R.T. member first aid is a must.
The thing about the 10-Cs that most don't understand is that each "C" is a category and not individual piece.
It is ALWAYS good to have redundancy in the kit.
I teach adding 2 additional categories:
11) C = Care (first aid kit)
12) C = Communication (cell phone, satellite messenger, etc)
Fully agree. Even in a light weight kit 'communication' can even be a whistle and signal mirror. Have a great day.
@@realbroggo
Exactly
Others have added an additional category of consumables. Food water, first aid items, batteries and other items you would use along the trail
I agree. For Me, Compass also includes a map, notepad, pencil, march beads.
Candling includes spare batteries.
Communications also means whistle, flair, glo-stick, mirror, orange trash bags, in addition to cell phone, or radio.
I've recently done the same with my edc. I carry a small Coleman first aid tin and a portable battery for my phone so I can charge it up at least once
Agreed. A sail needle kit is useless. Unless you have a canvas tarp. First aid should be key.
I could not disagree more with you. The woods always tend to break stuff. A canvas needle saved my buddies trip when his pack strap ripped out. I have sewn a few others too on camping trips. Then there is the fact that it is multi use item. I have used it for digging out slivers in my hand from splitting wood. It could also be used as a compass because it is made from steel. I also keep a tiny magnet with my sail needle so it will be already magnetized and ready to go. I have never needed to use it as a compass, but it does work.
So you have an 11 C’s philosophy. You’re 11th Category would be Cut’s and Bruises
Bear Grylls says all you need is a canteen of water and a fixed blade knife oh yeah a 5* hotel and restaurant as well
The 10 c's in its entirety is the the 10 categories that are the hardest to recreate in the wild. This is the purpose of the 10 c's. Dave will tell u he did not create this system but made it easier for people to remember and utilize. Of course any system can and should be revisited and modified based on needs and environment. Overall a really great system and u pointed out some really great things as well.
Water purification tablets for instant drinkable water perhaps.
There are flaws in every system to be sure, but most of these system are just basic starting points or something to consider when creating your own. From there you just customize it to fit your needs as your skill increases, 🤔
Fully agree. Dave Canterbury's list has been developed from years of genuine experience so it's hard to argue against. However, I've heard Dave C on a number of occasions make it clear that his kit ideas are intended as reliable starting points and not intended to be strictly limited to the items he lists. Have a great day.
The 10C'S are all items that are difficult, time consuming, and calorie expensive to make from natural materials in a survival scenario. That is why they were selected as important to have as minimal kit. You can add whatever you want.
Fully agree. The 10 C's just make a sensible and tried/tested starting point. Have a great day.
@@realbroggo Thank you for your reply.
I also carry blood stop and a turnakit.i use warfarin.
i usually carry a small roll of gorilla tape and i tape some around my extra bic lighter for a firestarter
Carry coffee filters to filter water, also use as kindling.
No gear is great if you cant run a mile with so called survival gear under 4 min
I always say the tenth “C” should be called “care item” which would be a first aid kit and include items for heath, basic hygiene and repair.
I think there are much better survival kits and systems than the 10c's, it has had the best marketing and monetization of the system when you compare to the alternatives though.
It's all about marketing
12 C's - add Cure Kit and Combo Tool 😊
IMHO, I don't think the 10cs are flawed. In order to consider the 10cs flawed, you would have to go into the philosophy and application of the 10cs and specifically point out the flaw. I believe you needed a catchy title to attract viewers 🤔 After watching your vid, you catered your edc to your specific experience. Which is technically the guide to any go bag, get home bag, bug out bag, auto emergency kit, emergency go bag. Small edc kit. It's all relative to each persons specific needs and environment. Basically, it's a personalized kit suited to you. Still enjoyed the content, the title not so much. Thx 👍 👍
Everything is subjective and based on our own experiences. But I take issue from the constant regurgitation of the 10 cs and other lists with out much context or consideration that many newbie dont see the whole picture. That can be dangerous. Duct tape and sail needle certainly can treat a wound if that is all you have. But people need to be better prepared then that. And a first aid kit is a minimum in my opinion. I want people to question this dogmas and think for themselves. There is much to learn from many different sources.
@The Prepared Wanderer I agree, and I understand it was a good take on the typical 10cs. I understand that some constructive criticism may be offensive. It's definitely not my intention, but the title definitely caught my eye and peeked my interest. I viewed the entire video when you first aired it, I didn't want to comment then, but when it came up again, I figured why not comment. I enjoyed it, and I agree 100% with your reasoning. Past professional or personal experience will always influence a person's carry. Education is key! I appreciate hearing from you. Take care and keep doing what you do. 👍👍
Car cot cash and credit cards . Have fun stay safe
I enjoyed this video. As much as I respect Dave Canterbury's willingness and ability to share his knowledge free of charge on TH-cam and think the 10 Cs make a lot of sense no one knows everything and it is good to see different perspectives.
If I am just going out for a day hike/trail walk kind of thing I will have a FAK along with some, basic version of the 10Cs.. I haven't done a lot of back country camping (yeah, I mostly do campgrounds) but when I do if I plan to use an axe/hatchet/heavy chopper I want at least a real tourniquet and a couple packs of bleed stop with gauze pads and tape as a minimal trauma kit. Caution and prevention are key but an accident with one of those tools striking the wrong place and a basic FAK isn't going to do much good.
I am also non-insulin dependent diabetic. My condition isn't severe and I could go one or maybe two days without eating but there will be no going three weeks without food, for me so I will always have at least a little food. Which also brings up carrying at least two or three days worth of your prescription meds along with the OTC stuff in an FAK.
Dave Canterbury does talk about first aid but he is often pretty heavy on first aid usage of various plants and things available in the wild or on making tinctures, etc. and having them in his pack. In fact I think he did a whole series of videos on that. I think the subject is cool as all get out and learned a few things I could use in a pinch but for me and my experience level I want that container of commercially produced first aid goodies with me.
Also, Mr. Canterbury has a few videos on 'the 15 C's' where he adds more items, including some of what he considers comfort items.
Great kit. I always add a few feet of flagging tape. It's lightweight and takes up almost no space at all. But can be invaluable if you get lost think you might have trouble finding your way back to your Basecamp.
Dave probably doesn’t include first aid because he expects you would be able to harvest first aid materials from the wild. But you can bet if I’m going away from home I’ve always got first aid nearby. Just added a couple tourniquets to my EDC bag.
A trauma kit is a good thing to have. Some items in my kit alao fit in the 10 cs like triangle bandages. Some type of Small hunting kit is also good
I used to teach Wilderness Survival, way back in the 80's. I'm 61 now and I've learned a few things. First off, a First Aid Kit, is something you should always carry. Its a Basic needed item. I carry one on my bicycle, and when I hike, it goes in my pack. A Army Medic helped me build it. So here are my 7 C's that I have come up with
1. Cover, a Tarp or Rain Poncho, with stakes. Since you cannot always make stakes, easier to have them with you.
2. Cordage, I like 550 cord, always have, but each to their own.
3. Cutting. One is none, two is on e. So I carry a Swiss Army Deluxe Tinker, and a old Gerber Multi Tool. Plus a sheath knife, a tomahawk, and folding saw. Yep, even on a day hike. Because you never know how long a day hike might last.
4. Combustion. You pretty much covered that one nicely. Except I also carry Strike Any where Matches, yes you can still find them, in a water proof case. And yes, take some tinder with you. Whether you make it or buy it.
5. Container. I will always have a water bottle with me. Be it a Nalgene, or a Klean Kanteen. But that rectangular tin, a very goo idea. As for making drinkable water. I also carry coffee filters, rubber bands and the Pure Water Aqua Drops. Remember the higher up you go, the lower the temp water boils at.
6. Calories. I always have food with me on a day hike. But, I also carry enough food in case I have to spend the night outside, away from camp or trail head.
7. Communications. Now I am not talking a Cell Phone. I am talking a good loud Whistle, a Signal Mirror, a Bright Orange signal panel. Maybe some of the Chem Lights. Also a good bright flashlight. But a flashlight is something I always carry.
The cotton bandana is also something I always have on me. My Army friend taught me how useful they are. As far as things like tape and a sewing kit. I think that depends on the person.
Yes, I am old school. I don't worry about the weight too much, just if I have the right items I need.
So that is my 7 C.s, and my two cents worth. Stay safe.
#11 Crucial medical gear
Enjoyed your video, and your thoughts. Thanks for taking the time to make it. I respect your opinion.
I want 12 Cs: The ten you mentioned plus a Club (weapon) and Comms (phone, radio-also includes battery.) New subscriber, thanks for the video.
And coffee!
@@ThePreparedWanderer I now want 13 Cs LOL
@@ThePreparedWanderer Now that's a good 'C' to have in your kit!!
Ok we will try this the 10 c's are categories of item's the 10 c's also came out forever ago some saying you got to have a first aid kit a peice of duck tape works as a bandaide also a flame extender for fire starting gear repair etc the canvas needle can also be use for first aide gear repair sewinging etc. The 10s's was about survival to the guy who says i carry water filter or chemical disinfectant let me guess you carry a tent a fire extinguisher a hand pew pew a long pew pew you carrry everything but the kichen sink to the guy who say's oh in my area there fire bans. Guess what im going to have a fire. They can come write me a ticket then they can also walk me out or carry me to the guy that said in my area im more worried about the run off fron chemicals from people yards etc. Hey try this walk up to thw door and say im stranded can i have some water and help when i started exploring in the 70's we basically took the 10 c's now im 55 and still alive
An 11th and/or 12th "C" could be added in a Cuts (First Aid & Meds) and Critters Catcher (Steel Wire, Snares and Fishing).
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Good points regarding the First Aid Kit. One can add Signalling (whistle / reflective mirror .. the mirror being also a First Aid Item) and more to the Kit.
I see the 10 C's as not 'Cast in Stone' but rather a Basis / Point of Departure .. something from which one can work or something to generate ideas regarding what should be carried at the time.
Dave Canterbury does stress 'redundancies' regarding his list .. also interpreted as to 'Adapt the Kit to the Environment / envisaged Activity'.
'Kits' are very much a function of not 'what to include therein, but rather what to leave out'.
What I do like is the use of Bank Line over 550 Paracord. '550' appears to have been a Mantra accepted and preached by each and every 'Survivalist / Bush Crafter / Whatever, out there.The last 55-odd years, 'Mason Line' and Nylon Washing Line / equivant has served me well. I have and use cheaper versions of 550 Cord .. having never seen the need to fork out the extra cash for the real deal.
Correction, I have used '550' .. when attached to an overhead parachute canopy 😊.
'Search and Rescue'. Could you please talk about this sometimes. Based on your experience, what the average person out there should / should not do when going into the outdoors. I am sure that this would be of benefit to many.
Good post .. thanks. Take care ..
What I got out of DC’s The 10c of survival video was that it was 10 critical categories, not just 10 items. He even said there were more categories and items, but these would make the core kit. And it was because these 10 items or categories were very hard to reproduce in the wild. He also said they could vary in importance depending on where you lived and surrounding environment.
If you have the room, absolutely put a boo boo kit in. However I’m under the impression that a boo boo kit is simply not important enough or worth the weight vs it’s value in the overall list of items you could use.
1. Medical use is listed with 8 of the 10 items mentioned. Throw some superglue in there, and you’re set with about anything you could use a boo boo kit for.
2. If you’re in a situation where you’re down to using the 10c of survival, you’ve got bigger worries than not having bandaids and moleskins. You are not gonna die immediately from scrapes and small cuts.
Oh, not sure if anybody caught it, but I think you left out the bivy/emergency blanket?
Do not switch out any of the 10'C's just add a couple to your kit and call your kit the 12 C's and have it all. The 10 C's is not one item for each of the 10 but each of the 10 C's is a category. Like cutin tool you have a belt knife attached to you as a primary blade but also have a SAK or Leatherman as a additional cutting tool. Cargo tape, needle and bandana are first aid items and the cotton bandages are also in the cotton category not to be left out of the 10 C's. I think Mors Kochanski talked about the 5 & 10 C's before Dave popularized them but Otze the 5,000 year old guy found frozen in the Alps was talking about the 10 C's before Dave & Mors
10 C’s are flawed?!? Ooo thems is fightin words. I’ve always read them as categories to start your kit with the understanding that modification is necessary based on your environment and needs. Improve, adapt and overcome.
Dave said hundreds of times that the 10c is not 10 items, it is 10 categories of items, it can be many items for each c
Nice starter kit.
I think after watching and reading comments that the 10 c's are a great idea. Most of the comments are spot on. One thing I would add about the 10c's is most of these items are in a category of items that are very time consuming to create in the wild. Its not that you can't make them but do you need something like a fire right now after falling in cold water. I agree with the category's but don't overlook the ITEM and the time and effort to recreate a cutting edge, or cordage, or a container or friction fire. Spend more time enjoying the outdoors because you have the 10 c's. Never stop learning.
A bandana is a bandage. Gorilla tape will hold it in place. The 10 c's are a springboard for essentials. He never said that's all you need. I'd add soap for sure as well as snarewire.But keeping with C's, how about coffee, cell phone, charging brick and cash.
Personally, I prefer a SAK like the Fieldmaster or Huntsman over a multi tool. Multi Tools are very expensive compared to SAK's.