Joke Theft and Cryptomnesia
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you know whats just as bad as joke stealing? when you tell a story to your friend and then he tells it as if it was his and doesnt even tell it right or deliver the joke
Thank you, sir. Good to know other people have experienced this.
Gregory Everson pfff my own father once retold my joke 4 seconds after I told it and only he could heard it and nobody else did. Everyone laughed when he did of course... he knew he had to be louder.
whats even worse is when you say something quietly and someone around you says it loudly and everyone laughs.
William Stephenson that's exactly what happened to me with my father
Don't throw your family under the bus publicly. Once my grandmother did that to me, she teased me for believing in God at my sister's baptism and it was mortifying.
I wish I was high on potenuse
FonchCakes underrated comment
Yeah I wish I was high on potenuse
SilverBack HAHAHAHAHAHJAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH holy crap how did you come up with that😂😫
Best comment
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Dane Cook's brother also had a pretty bad case of cryptomnesia. Dane put him in charge of his bank account and his bro accidentally forgot it was Dane's.
You know what the funniest part of that is he put his brother in the jail that his brother use to be a guard in 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@adrianfleming3437 Damn so he killed his brother basically? I imagine some of the prisoners remember him. Lets hope he was a beloved guard.
@@habadasheryjones I believe he’s still alive
@Habadashery Jones he's still alive so how did he kill him
@@rickstongue9255stole all of his money
There's NO WAY Mencia didn't knowingly steal that "hi mom" bit. That "Bill Cosby Himself" special was absolutely legendary and extremely well known. Any comedian would have known the whole special by heart and Mencia's delivery was way too similar to the a coincidence.
It was litterally word for word shameless twat
How does Mencia steal jokes from the best there is and still be so un-funny?
Mencia tried ...the idiot puss
He could have at least changed the sport, damn!
Funny that they used the two most hated comedians for that part.
Rogan: "Dude you're stealing jokes" Mencia: "nah man I got that.. um necrophilia"
🧟♀️💕
Hey! I was going to think of that joke. Thief!
@W 9797 originalcontentphobia - the fear of original content.
Well thought my friend
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Rogan accused Mencia of ripping of the "America wants to build to keep out Mexicans but who.is going to build it?" - that was such easy joke to right that over 2,000,000 Americans came up it well befoe any comedian performed it live. Mencia was just the 2nd televised comedian to say it.
I use CK's jokes on the secretaries at work. They think I'm hilarious
Gotta Go one day you're gonna get called out on it and you'll feel sad and awkward lol
Jibby Bagoom
I use Nostalgia Critics jokes all the time. If someone says _"That's a Nostalgia Critic joke"_, I just say _Yeah_ and laugh.
Oscar Samaniego lol I was just pulling your leg man
Jibby Bagoom
What a weird expression.
Ps: Thank God for Urban dictionary.
Oscar Samaniego haha you're telling me you're a fan of comedy but never heard of "pulling your leg" ?? But yeah thank god for urban dictionary lol
Carlos Mencia and Amy Schumer are the literal embodiments of the “Can I copy your homework?” meme. It would also be pretty evident if they do write their own jokes because the jokes would fucking suck roach toes year round.
Terrible. The two of them were never funny. Throw Dane Cook in there toon
...Dane Cook is in that group too
@Kel Elsure😉... there is clear evidence Dane is a thief... you just happen to like him. Ask Louis or that Asian comedian who he fleeced for jokes🤣
The jokes he was caught stealing were funnier the first time by the original comedians too, not even like he took a premise and improved it. What a tool🤦♀️
Mencia is funny wtf are you on about?
@@LacostelpDid you watch the video? About joke theft? Menicia’s a prime example of it. Mencia’s not funny. The shit he steals from other comedians is funny.
Carlos even stole Bill Cosby's DELIVERY of the football joke. He still denies he a joke thief.
Does Cosby care?
@@itsmeyo9751 not as much as he does about the state of his new pad 😂👍
@@itsmeyo9751 Missed the point
@@chunkyjasonplays1631 what is the point? Joke theft is bad and we need to call out and cancel those who do? Great then why stop at Carlos why not continue and even better go back through ALL comedians past and present and dissect them 1 by 1? Is that how much we should care..why stop at 1?
He certainly stole it, but his delivery was total shit compared to Cosby.
So we’re just not going to talk about Amy Schumer here?
YES!!
Hopefully
She's fucking disgusting 🤢
Exactly. However. Amy Schumer. Isn't worth the time. She's a piece sh*t.
misa smith yes I dare
Influences vs. theft, it's a hard line to define. The way Louis CK handled it with Dane Cook by inviting him on his show was brilliant
According to Dane, Louis wrote out the scene and Dane performed it. He said he had nothing to do with it and he didn't cop to any of it being consensual or legit. He just performed the scene and left...
Mencia is a joke thief but I'm not so sure about Dane Cook
A lot of comedians have done similar jokes with the subject of ‘the name of a kid being ridiculous’. Haven’t we all joked about with names? Rhyming them, make them sound silly, etc?
Here is a bit by Steve Martin from 1978 that is VERY similar: th-cam.com/video/YgsXyP293Vc/w-d-xo.html
There is a dutch comedian who joked around saying he would call his kid “your honour”, so everyone, including his teachers would have to address the kid as such.
It’s a common joke subject really. It also fits Dane’s style very well.
You're right, CK handled it with class. Unlike Roid Rogan smh.. He went over the top with outing Mencia. Don't get me wrong, Mencia's a POS but, just the way Rogan handled it turned off alot of people.
@@lego4271 Dane has stolen other jokes if I remember correctly.
I actually had an experience with “cryptomnesia” one time. I was in a band and wrote this guitar part and felt super good about it. We played it live for several months and it killed! One day I was listening to a Chevelle song off the Vena Sera album and OMG! There was the riff! I immediately felt horrible and called the band and told them we had to rewrite the section. Of course the new riff didn’t slap nearly as hard as the first, but it wasn’t mine so it had to go!
I think this happens to musicians a lot. As a producer/rapper it would happen to me. I think music/lyrics get into your sub-consciences and you forget that you you've heard it some place before until you hear it again.
did Chevelle invent the notes you used?
@@MrMakingwavesmedia the answer is yes
Dude, that happens to everyone in guitar playing. I'm starting to wonder if there is any chord progression that sounds good which HASN'T been done yet. A new solo is about all anyone could honestly hope to achieve (which definitely sucks since I'm more of a rhythm player).
Where did you get Chevelle’s phone number? Lol I’m having a hard time believing that part
I played in Bar bands for years the weird thing about being a musician, is you are taught to play songs all your life. Everyone shows you the standard go to guitar licks that everyone uses. Early on playing guitar you easily can see that there is a base of certain guitar parts that are used all the time by everybody no matter what genre. There's such a fine line between what you made up and what someone else made up. It's kind of hard to explain but I'm sure musicians will understand what I'm talking about. The weird thing is you're taught to play these songs you're taught to play these riffs, and when you finally getting the band and start writing everyone tells you you can't use none of this stuff you've learned. Only music they don't do this and comedy or anything else. I imagine telling someone you can't copy Allen Iverson's crossover because it's his crossover. Imagine telling someone you can't spin around and kick your leg because that's what Michael Jackson did. Imagine telling someone you can't knock people out in the first 90 seconds of a boxing match because that was Mike Tyson's thing he started that. Very fine line between copying someone and just doing what has to be done
The worst thing about Mencia's version is how he shrieks at the end. He doesn't let the audience react, he demonstrates for them how he thinks they should feel. Just awful.
Absolutely. So lame. He screams before the audience can process the punchline in order to let them know how to think about it.
Kind of like how Dane Cook would try to create an audience reaction by turning his head towards a different camera in his specials
The worst thing about Mencia's version is how he shrieks at the end. He doesn't let the audience react, he demonstrates for them how he thinks they should feel. Just awful.
The un-goodest thing with Mencia when on how the yelling at the end that he did. He lacks the audience from the reaction because he tells them how they should experience. Simply crummy.
Haha I see what you guys did there. Clever lads.
My dad was a stand up comic in the early 90s, and way back then he had a bit just like the Louis C.K./Dane Cook child naming bit. My dad’s punchline was a name that holds the “ng” sound, like the end of the word “among”. He even did the thing where he imitated reprimanding the child using his name, making the “NNNGG!” noise with a wide open mouth and an angry face. “NNNGGG! What did I just say?! Ng, go to your room!”
Much later, when we later saw Louis C.K. do the exact same type of joke, my dad’s reaction was “psh, I didn’t invent the joke, men have been using that joke to annoy their wives for centuries.”
Alex Walker Smith and everyone clapped right
@@praiseguru8653 They not only clapped, they stood up and threw 100 dollar bills at him.
What’s left out surprisingly is that Cosby does a similar bit about his parents calling him and his brother “damnit” and “Jesus Christ”. Which ties in very closely to Cook’s bit (after what was shown in the video) where he names his kid “Optimus Prime”. I mean to me the topic is so broad that is pretty easy to come up with a similar story with a similar payoff. It happens all the time in literature. But the video is right when he says the pacing and tempo are what make it property, rather than just subject, observation, and payoff.
@@jccalhoun4972 telling jokes IS NOT an artform. It's just speaking and relating to your listener. Just like rappers "biting rhymes." Both are the stupidest concepts i've ever heard. There are only so many English words that rhyme, and so many premises that are kind of funny. let a thousand years pass without comedy, and then a similar society emerge, and all the jokes told in the last 100 years will reemerge in almost the same fashion. It's human nature. I'm an "original" musician, and i think the EXACT same thing about music. Get the fuck over it, and just enjoy yourself...
I'm sure there is stuff that overlaps and is coincidental....but Cook, Ned Mencia and at least some of Schumer's writers have no doubt deliberately stolen bits
I experienced cryptomnesia first hand when I was like 14. I was absolutely 100% convinced I had come up with a funny new insult "knob jockey" and started calling everyone a knob jockey. People would giggle and ask if I came up with it, I'd say yes. Cue a few years later, I hear it said on a TV show that was aired when I was like 5. And then some old as shit movie that came out before I was born
Everybody, literally everybody, in my generation saw "Bill Cosby: Himself." For years it ran every Saturday afternoon on HBO or Showtime, so it was impossible to miss. At school we would repeat the bits to each other; we knew them by heart because we'd seen the film twenty times. Like every other kid whose parents had cable in the '80s, Carlos Mencia saw "Himself" and memorized all the bits from start to finish. If he'd just admitted it, people wouldn't have written him off altogether...but he chose a hill and died on it.
I think I was in 7th grade when it came out and I bet I saw it 40 times in a few months. I knew it by heart
I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see this subject discussed intelligently. Great job.
It's also worth pointing out the frequency of incidents. With Cook, it was 3 jokes in one special at the height of his career. Maybe the stress drove him to be desperate or contributed the effects of cryptonesia. But with Mencia and Schumer, it happens so often and has been happening since the beginning of their careers.
Brian Jensen Yea, Cook was funny as fuck though. His older stuff on Comedy Central in 2001, his delivery, it was different. I'm not ashamed to admit Cook was a favorite back in 2001-2005.... Schumer is not funny at all. She's over hyped because she's a woman. There are so many more funny as fuck female comedians. Carlos Mencia is just a straight up fraud.
I think it was the height of Mind of Mencia that Carlos Mencia started being accused of stealing jokes by up and coming comedians.
If any of you think Dane Cook stole that particular joke.
You need to become more educated. The joke had a different context, a different theme, was told in his own style. MAYBE he took inspiration from Louis, but the issue there is you are becoming ape's in the process of demonizing a person for "stealing" a joke, you forget that many of your favorite COMEDIANs, Music, Food, Culture, Names, and even mannerisms and accents came from SOMEONE at SOMEPOINT. Life is not simplistic as "Stealing or not stealing" Most likely he saw the joke, noticed an opportunity and told his own variation of the joke and thought it would pass. Just because I talk about FOOD doesn't mean I'm stealing a joke from Jim Gaffigan, which you people don't realize is that TOPICS are not off limits, neither are concepts. Otherwise, no one could make a joke about anything because jokes already exist on those topics. Your logic is flawed, what logic isn't flawed? Judging the joke by its execution, the premises, the words used in the jokes, the context of the joke. IN THAT CASE, his context was that he wanted like 19 kids, and by that logic found fun naming them. The thing was, Louis and Cook, highlighted two distinctly different parts of the joke, Louis said Vowel-like it was funny because it was all one type of letter in a single name for a child, it was an absurdity. Cook, was highlighting a much different thing, he was highlighting the absurdity, yes, but he criticised the practical application of naming the kids and gave a reason for the names that was simultaneously absurd and at the same time "logical" he was, in essence, criticising people's notions of names, the sound. He basically said, "This is stupid, and this makes this stupid because it can be involved with this." Which although was not explicitly stated was the implication.
Both are distinctly different jokes, one is general not talking about Louis, or criticizing any particular thing except the absurdity of a thing. Cook is being particular.
usucdik How the fuck can anyone defend her? She's the Hilary Clinton of comedy.
If Dane Cook did steal those three jokes, he did it at a time when his life and career were an insane whirlwind in which the demand for new material was so much higher than he could keep up with. I could see him writing those jokes down, and convincing himself that they were okay to use. He doesn't deserve his label as a joke thief. At worst, he's a guy who fucked up once at a high stress time in his career. I don't think it's fair to label his entire career over it.
Me and my friend wrote a script for a short series we wanted to film. We sat on it and then 2 years later breaking bad came out and it was conceptually the exact same thing. Even certain seens were shot for shot what we wanted to do, we would joke that vince gilligan lives under our floor boards.
My twin brother and I always argue about who experienced the memory we share. We each believe we were the main character of our individual childhood memories.
So I had fun making jokes about naming my kids years before Louis. I thought about naming my first kids Everyone and Noone, because it would be hilarious at their school. I'm not a stand up comedian. I just had a funny idea about names, and giving children nonsensical names. I live in Norway, and i don't share any other background with the two comedians in the video.
I'm saying this because people can have similar ideas independent of each other. Particularly when you're exposed to similar things.
I'm not suing any of those comics for reading my mind halfway across the world and making a similar joke.
Thanks for the comment. I think the video points out that it's not an original concept by any means, and that comics did it long before Louie. What that segment is getting at is not about the premise. It's about the punchline. The hard consonants "R" vs "F" are different to a comparison of "F" vs. "Everyone and Noone." The former example is an eerily similar place to end up. But of course, we wouldn't still be having this debate if there weren't ambiguities.
I can see your point. I experienced the punchline differently, and the fact that Cook pointed out the "masculinity" and "femininity" of his "R"s, while also 'acting out' the sound, further differentiated the punchlines for me.
Or, should I say, what I experienced as the intention and meaning behind their individual punchlines.
It basically sounded like Dane chose the "name" because he cared, while Louis chose the name because he didn't give a fuck. I enjoyed the differences in those perspectives (as they appeared to me).
Oh, I wrote it down, and said it on video, but it wasn't during a stand-up set, just a joke I made that I thought was funny.
My point was that having similar ideas is absolutely not proof of 'joke theft'. Depending on the degree of similarities, one can make a case for it, but in that particular case, I'm not convinced that it was, not even subconsciously. It might have been, but I am not convinced of it being fact.
Sure, that's possible. I'm just not convinced that's most likely the case. You think it's more likely, and that's cool, as long as we're working from the same base of facts :)
is it just me or does the r name sound like Chewbacca and an excuse to make Chewbacca sounds while the pff name or the fff name sound like pfft kids
You CAN unwittingly steal...Cook lifting from CK probably was accident. But Carlos claiming he never saw Cosby's bit is laughable. That's not Cosby at some random night club. That's from "Bill Cosby Himself" for youngsters who weren't around back then, it was HUGE. Total game changer of a comedy special. Carlos is a professional comedian who would've been 16 years old when one of the most successful specials of the decade came out...and we're to believe he never bothered to see it?
I agree. I assume that professional comedians study everyone who came before them, as well as their contemporaries.
Whaaaaat? Cosby a rapist? Poppycock! Where did you hear that propaganda?
@Jerry Atrix Lies and Slander!! Michael was innocent, too!!
Mencia is a tool and it was FANTASTIC watching Joe Rogan call his ass out on stage and would have been awesome if he just beat him down then and there. You can tell he wanted to.
Jerry Atrix That doesn’t change the fact that Mencia stole his bit
Cryptomnesia: Malcom in the Middle episode, where Malcom is learning the guitar and spends days composing a song to try to prove her mom wrong about him not having the genetic capacity to be musical. When he finally does, Dewey points out that he had just played the "Meow Mix" song. Loool
Lol I have 2 friends that opened for Lame Cooke and he literally stole a couple jokes from our friend the first night and used them the second night. It was such a blatant rip off and in the audience that night were tons of people that knew those jokes from a very popular local comic at the time and that included other local comics.
Carlos Mencia is like a comedy’s version of a cover band.
Especially cause its worse than the original
I'm stealing that joke
Great comparison! 😂😂😂
@@shimmipenguin1764 MIND IS SOFTWARE. BODIES ARE DISPOSABLE
at least cover bands come with a sense of admiration and accreditation to the originals Carlos Menstealia tried to pass his stolen material off as original
I'm just more surprised Louie CK is only 5 years older than Dane Cook! holy crap!
I guess making chicks watch you beat off ages you prematurely.
protip: don't masturbate in front of employees
@@bigred22685 didn’t make them. Man got canceled for nothing.
@@bigred22685 He never MADE anyone do anything. He asked them to, and they said yes. Regretting your decisions doesn’t make it a rape.
@@SheldonHelms A) props on necromancing my year old comment.
B) No one said anything about rape.
C) Exposing yourself to women and masturbating in front of them during fucking job interviews is still sexual harassment all the way.
Is he as bad as Weinstein and some other Hollywood scumbags? No. But don't try and legitimize a guy using power to get off unless you're also a young female comedian trying to make it in that cutthroat business. And, for the record, I still like Louis C.K. because he actually had the balls to own up.
I had severe cryptomnesia growing up. I used to think all of my ideas were there and my own before seeing them done in movies, music, shows, books, etc. It was damn near delusional.
I love when I accidentally play videos like yours when I jump in the shower and end up having to listen to a 50 minute commercial
It's so obvious Mencia doesn't care about Football. You can just tell from the way he emphasizes words that it's not natural.
yeah he just looked up a few buzz words and made it his bit lol
Yeah I get the impression he felt that adding some jargon made his version an improvement. But in fact his version is much weaker. Cosby allows you to react by saying the punchline and letting it sink in. Mencia tries to control your reaction by adding that pathetic scream at the end, to make sure you know how to feel about what he's said. It's like laughing at your own joke. Weak.
Pretty nervous delivery too.
maikeru01 nobody actually cares about football and at least Mencia is funny. Cosby isn't funny and never has been
All he did was include more football terms
I've never stolen any of Louis' s jokes, but I've stolen his moves. *Not* a hit with the ladies, surprisingly.
I hear Chris Browns moves are quite a hit with the ladies.
@@SupraViperhead oh no
Louis sued me for stealing one of his jokes, but I won the lawsuit; I stimulated myself with anal beads, that's a completely different punchline.
@@get-the-joke You Guys are too much, but I am laughing. I guess Louis is never going to live that shit down.
😏😂
This video came in queue and I found it well made and thought provoking. Thank you for sharing it.
I can believe in Cryptomnesia. In a story I was writing, I created a fictitious company some characters worked for, even came up with logo - years later I watching an old movie I realized that I had unconsciously lifted the name and the logo from a fictitious company in the film. I don't even really remember that much of seeing the movie originally but it obviously had an impact.
Amy Schumer literally has stolen so much.
She stole my lunch.
When Anthony Jeselnik broke up with her, he took with him the writer of all of her actually funny jokes. AKA *HIM*.
Matt Mitchell and she just made the joke shit
Worst thing is she even sucks when it comes to delivery
She stole 50 pounds from me.
What I dont understand is how Amy Schumer was defended so adamantly when there were _so many_ examples of her plagiarism. Similar thinking and Cryptomnesia (sp?) may be plausible sometimes, but that frequently from one performer?
Amy Schumer literally stole dozens of jokes, if it is accidental, it's the greatest statistical anomaly ever.
@@lawman34 exactly. I just can't figure out why she was so heavily defended by mainstream sources.
She’s Jewish mate. That’s why she was pushed to begin with & why she was protected
Because shes a woman, they can do no wrong now
I believe it is because in this age of anti-white male culture anyone who is remotely capable at their job is held in exaggerated esteem. Women & minorities get a pass or a helping hand in entertainment (and other sectors) and if you point that out or have the audacity to call their efforts average you are labeled a racist, sexist, phobe….etc
CRYPTOMNESIA: 70% of the stuff I come up with when trying to write piano & guitar music and only realize it after I've played it 10 times.
I've seen a parody TH-cam video like that recently, an artist trying to come up with something original ends up playing songs they have already wrote and others in different keys and at different speeds with completely different lyrics, it was pretty funny
I had a friend that went around telling all my stories and talking about the same things I was interested in when I wasn't around. He stole my identity not to make money but to be more popular. It felt dirty when I found out.
Mencia's joke is so poorly delivered. The punchline is screaming.
ReK Yea, it's pretty bad
ReK I disagree. Mencia is horrible because he's an unapologetic thief. But he is great at delivery. Screaming makes sense because it's the caricature of a disappointed father.
I have always disagreed with your statement, and have never been fooled by his punchlines, from the first time I heard that guy. I was initially fooled by Amy and Dane , laughing at 'harmful if swallowed' and Amy 'last comic standing' , but I jumped off the cook wagon for some reason, which makes me feel very lucky to trust my inner thoughts. unfortunately, women still break down my trust easier, because I feel they don't get a fair shake. I still love Natasha leggero , she's absolutely hilarious..... not to brag, but I predicted Jack White would be a genius in 2001 ..... I feel very lucky and thought I would share.....btw Gary gulman turned out to be a true talent on last comic standing
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Mencia is shit but that premise is so obvious.
Well I guess I have a terrible sense of humor, then. Because I actually found his execution hilarious, unlike Cosby's. :/
The cook 1 seems innocent it's a common subject to think you might of come up with...but the Cosby 1 is such a unique thought and a obvious steal
yeah, the cook one is simple enough that i can believe they had the same idea independently.
@@BillHicks420 Cook BLATANTLY ripped off Daniel Tosh. Tosh came out with an album, and 9-10 months later Dane Cook copied 4 of Tosh's bits for HIS album.
Not as many people caught it, 'cause Tosh wasn't as big at the time.
I agree
@Donovan Chiazzese If I remember correctly, the albums that were so obvious were Tosh's "Completely Serious" and Dane Cook's "Live at MSG" (which came out about 8 months later).
The only copied bit I remember was one about "lying more". Whichever albums have that bit, also have others that are suspiciously similar.
Plus cooks delivery to me was funnier, maybr its cause he’s loud
I think there are a lot of times when you hear a joke, a song you like or dialog in a movie that sticks with you, that it sounds almost like that's how it was supposed to be, or it couldn't be any other way and still affect you. I think there is an intuitive connection in language that's imperceptible, and the way it connects ideas and the rhythm of it are all intertwined in our brains. I've started freestyle rhymes on facebook by dropping one line and letting others finish it one line at a time and came up with some cool shit, so I think that people who think alike connect on all those levels, and that's probably why regular people connect with art even if they have little creative talent or the ability to express it of their own. That said, all these guys do know each other and many do watch each other and even if they don't steal a whole joke, they might have the seeds planted in their brains just by whatever exposure they have to each other. The only exception I can think of would have been Carlin, he was not known for hanging out with other comics and wrote new shit all the time. It seems like Chappelle spends a lot of time on the farm, but then he does do club sets at random so I don't know, but afaik nobody has accused him of stealing anything.
to think that ppl with the same mindset dont regularly have the same idea is laughable. how many ppl have thought about flying cars?
Exactly. I mean, I'm not funny at all, I know my boyfriend laughs at my jokes so I don't feel bad, but I'm pretty sure even I've joked about stupid baby names that are just mouth noises, its not exactly a genius joke.
I can confirm cryptomnesia is real. I once wrote a 5 minute set based around drug smuggling, and found a few months later I found that Ardal O'Hanlon had done a very similar piece. Once I watched it and remembered seeing it before, I knew what had happened. Fortunately I hadn't performed it yet!
You mean the bit about a sheep full of dead ducks? Comedy GOLD.
When I was maybe 4 or 5 years old, I was absolutely 100% certain that I came up with that one part of the William Tell overture that everyone knows. I haven't been absolutely 100% certain about anything since, because if I was wrong about that, I could be wrong about anything.
You think that's bad? I went to Maynooth and ended up in the west of Ireland with two old priests and one day an episode of Father Ted came on the tele... boy was my face red. Feckin Ardal.
Louis just named a bunch of Nordic kids.
as a swede - i concur
Funnier than the actual joke 🤣🤣🤣
I always wondered what was missing from that Cosby bit. Turns out it was violent screaming.
Dane Cook: "I want to have like 19 kids." Audience: laughs. smh
Well, in Amy Schumer's case, 20% of her jokes are somehow "parallel thinking" or "cryptomnesia". This much of a pattern shows intentional theft.
She's a "fucking plagiarist"
Which means 70% is flat out stolen and 10% is just straight garbage
Nah, it's more like 80%, I just watched a 20 minute video on her stealing jokes. Trust me lol
In Dane Cooks case tho Idk, if you've seen him do that joke he goes on for another like 5 minutes with different punch lines. It's not just straight across the board plagiarism. But in Schumers case, it actually is. Word for word, 90% of the time. Same with Carlos mencia stealing Cosbys bit, its the same exact joke.
other than incels, does anybody in the world care about that?
@@iopohable - yes in fact, everybody cares. Maybe you should try being original
No one considers that *both* stole the joke from some poor schmuk still working strip club warmups in Boston.
Why is it jokes are only ever stolen from the famous?
I would assume that the famous comedians have a much bigger reach than the "poor schmuks"'s, therefor the probability of a joke being stolen from a famous comedian is alot bigger. Another factor is incidents where you have a funny joke, but forgot that you know the joke because of a 30 year old special from somebody else, and this would more or less ONLY happen with someone famous as the nobodys of the industry isn't remembered for years and years to come
Steve Martin. "A Wild and Crazy Guy". 1978.
quiz nos You kinda answered your own question.
@@jwdathefax377 was primarily a rhetorical question
Got any evidence to support your claim?
I invented the term "golden child" To refer to a parent( My wife at the time.) favoring one child over the other. It was a huge problem in my marriage in the late 90s.. It was also a funny reference to an Eddie Murphy movie. I had never heard used before in that context.. Now I hear it referred now on Reddit with family stories Twenty years later.
Late night hosts 2016-2020 :
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Where is Carlos Mencia at now? Oh yea joe Rogan destroyed his career
We need to thank Joe for this. He did us all an favor.
yah he did
He's still playing gigs, at least when I looked him up a few months ago.
He was on Rogaine's show. Joe sucked him off after he sucked off Jack Dorsey.
Joe buried him, it was that bad.
The issue with the Carlos Mencia is that he has a history of telling jokes first delivered from other comedians. It's not as if it was once in a while; there are MANY comedians that proves Carlos jacked their jokes.
This video was very informative and super well-worded.
You haven't uploaded in 2 years but I am still subscribing.
Carlos, was and is the greatest joke thief. Even that delivery, let alone punch line, it is almost identical to Cosby’s.
And yet not nearly as funny... I've never heard of him, but it was very cringe for sure
I quote Mitch Hedberg quite often when appropriate. The other day a coworker was complaining about how wasteful paper fliers are. I told him, "When someone hands you a flier it's like they are saying "Here, you throw this away"".
I always credit him though. He died right before twitter. He would have been the best tweeter ever.
RIP Mitch.
Harry Balzak I say comedic gold & *never* admit I stole from Hedberg, Burr etc...
It may be shallow but I am considered a seriously funny bastard 😂
@@joejitsu034 it’s ok, I don’t think you are gonna get sued by either one
I'd like to think Mitch wouldnt wanna waste his talent on social media
@@joejitsu034 what a fucking plagiarist
You can find a fan account which tweets his jokes now
This is great work. Well thought out and presented. Thank you from a lifetime comedy fan of 47 years
47 years !!
What a relic
When I think about joke thiefs I think about Gad Elmaleh right away
amy schumer had about 45 minutes worth of cryptomnesia then. thats a hell of a coincidence.
What does she really steal though....she has 2 jokes #1 I am fat #2 I fuked after the bar.
@@jonny_z__370zna5 youtube has loads of comparisons
@@SockLove I bet because being fat and fuking are pretty common.
I can't blame anyone for falling into cryptomnesia, I was trying to compose a piece for piano and I had a melody in mind, took me 3-4 bars to realize it was one of chopin's etudes. But unlike jokes classical pieces are very recognizable, so it wouldn't be weird to "steal" a joke and not realize.
Robin William's joke about going down an a woman was recently stolen by April Macie.
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I appreciated this, thank you!
Dave Attell has the best "what to name your kid" joke. He said he's gonna name his kid "Pizza Pussy Santa" because everyone loves one of those things. Attell is the best stand up comedian.
GMP997 997GMP even better was his bit about wanting to name something but he’d rather have a boat, because a boat doesn’t go away to burning man and come home and say “daddy i’m no longer a boat i think i’m a ferry”
Attell isn't that great. He's a belligerent, with funny bits here and there. Tries too hard and wouldn't be anything without alcohol and drugs.
@@aswithinsowithout8638 Attell is sober, has been for awhile now and Bumping Mics was a huge success. So what are you trying to say?
I'm saying he's not the best stand-up comedian. Nowhere close. Not top 10 and probably not top 25.
@@aswithinsowithout8638 All of your favorite comedians call him the best or one of. It's been said by Chappelle, Burr, Rogan, O'Neal and many others. You don't think so, that's your opinion I guess.
Dear Amy Schumer, every comedian in the world called, they want all of their jokes back.
Good one..did you hear the one about the non funny female comic who cant be creative on her own..????
This is by far the best "theft vs cryptomnesia" video I have ever seen
No pun intended 😀😀😀
Bad stand up comedy is my absolute favorite type of cringe.
Mencia always claims he has never seen the jokes he steals
I think Patrice O'Neal said something like "if they need to steal my jokes, fine, let em. I can keep coming up with them just like I came up with that one"
Micha Little hell ya lol
Yeah, but Patrice was a comedy god. People thought he was funny but he was a genius.
Patrice was a G
Patrice was right on with that comment. The trouble with stealing is that you have to keep stealing; When you're unoriginal you have no choice. Original people can go on creating. That's why most joke thieves can't sustain their success
That is such Baller response. Go ahead steal it. He'll just bury you with his next one. Patrice was a genius.
Mencia stealing the Cosby football joke, but totally delivering it like Rogan would have.
Remember when Elaine thought she wrote a funny cartoon and submitted it to the New Yorker and it ended up being an old Ziggy comic?? 😆😆😆💀🤭
That cryptomnesia thing happens to me when I try to write songs. The first song I ever wrote turned out to be almost identical to an ACDC deep track, and the next time (years later) I tried to write a song, I discovered that one part was similar to Take 5 by Dave Brubeck, and another part was very similar to a song from Jesus Christ Superstar.
Ringo Starr had that problem when trying to contribute to a Beatles album. John and Paul kept telling him that his songs all sounded like such and such song.
Winston Sullivan Stop trying to plagiarize famous songs...
I've done it to I wrote a novel and it had a line of dialogue in it I really liked and then when I read it again I had an odd feeling about, two years later I heard the line in the film Sleepers it was one I'd watched a few times before I'd written the novel, luckily I never tried to publish the novel.
That was the copy you had stuffed up your arse old boy.
it's hard not to plagiarize famous songs. The melodies are often times very simplistic and it's easy for you to recreate the melody by accident. Especially when you have the sound stuck in your head without even knowing it. A lot of people don't mean to plagiarize but the stupid part about it is just let them. If your song is better it'll do better, if it's not then it'll do worse. If the joke is funnier than the original that's your problem. We seem to have forgotten many inventions come when an earlier invention is used again but made slightly better. That's how society gets better.
Amy Schumer is the biggest offender of all, and worse yet, her delivery sucks. At least Cook had decent delivery, even if the joke was meh to begin with
[message deleted] I really don't think that particular joke is stolen. Silly child names is an obvious premise. And the absurdity is a 1 letter name like "mmmmmm" or "oooooo"....
I'd argue that Dennis Leary is the worst offender of all time. His entire career is owed to nearly directly ripping off Bill Hicks. Notice you don't even see Leary doing stand up anymore.
Mencia's version of the "Hi Mom" joke was better too. And it's POSSIBLE he never heard Cosby's bit, but heard someone else simply mention the idea, or even came up with it himself. If Cosby can do it, so can someone else. The problem is that that he has many other instances of coincidences piling up to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Louie CK claims Leary stole the "I'm an asshole" concept from him, which became his big breakthrough moment.
Curious of how Amy Schumer got so much fame and contracts.
It’s not just jokes. I have a good friend who ‘adopts’ interesting stories told to him...a bad travel experience, bumping into a celebrity, getting lost in the woods, a strange thing that happened at....doesn’t matter what it is, he tells me my own stories as if they happened to him.
Or maybe they really are his stories and I’m the one who’s convinced myself they happened to me...dang.
Anyway - it’s so ham-handed that I’m completely convinced it’s not malicious. I stop worrying about it. Then again, I don’t tell stories for a living...
I remember one day I was about to leave my house to pick up a friend from his house and I thought “ 🤔 wouldn’t it be great if there was this huge bridge that would take me to their house and there was no lights and I’d get there faster… 🤦🏻♂️ oooohh yeah there is … it’s called a freeway “ 😂 I thought I had thought of the best thing ever but it had already been constructed
"Don't musicians play other musicians songs?" Yes, but they and EVERYONE ELSE usually know who the original recording belongs to; who created it.
Unless it's a Bob Dylan song. 🤣😂
Also, those are either cover bands (which suck) or tributes (which are an homage to the original artist). If you only play covers, you won't go far (except in classical music, but that's another topic).
@@mrknarf4438 Covering is a good place to start though; if you don't know what exactly you are wanting to sound like playing other people's music for yourself can be of great help in finding your own style. But like you said it is not a place you want to stay forever, unless it is just a side thing you do for fun and have no aspirations to be your own musician.
@@ShiningDarknes I agree: it's good to practice, expecially at the beginning. And I know too many musicians convinced they could never write a song who only play covers, and it sucks.
Almost nobody knows who wrote the song. You're entirely wrong.
Well seeing as Schumer isn't funny, I'll side with anyone who accuses her of theft.
The concept of plagiarism, or at least, being judged for it is pretty recent in the scope of human artistic evolution.......As an artist, I remember one of my fav art lecturers - Andy Collis - Avondale College, AU. He expanded my mind 🤯 with the ancient adage that "there is nothing new under the sun".....through the lens of this perspective Andy taught me, "Don't borrow another's idea, borrowing means it still belongs to the other. Instead, steal their ideas - and make them yours!" 😅
I learnt that in a book I read a few years ago, Steal Like An Artist.
In essence it conveys that there is nothing new under the sun. What refreshes an old story or image is the new take on it.
It takes work but there is a natural story telling ability that is needed. I could work every second of every day of my life and could never be comic.
Appropriately dry, unbiased and educational. Incredibly well done.
To be fair, for example, Louie's joke and Dane's joke are kind of different facets: Louie talked about the spelling, and Dane talked about a sound with no mention of spelling. And they both perhaps stem from crazy celebrity kid names. So it writes itself a bit. One comedian may think "Oh, I'll give it a crazy spelling." and the other thinks "Oh, how about just a crazy sound."
My friend the other day said "thought quicksand was going to be way bigger part of my life" he looked so happy I didn't have the heart to call him out. That and I couldn't remember the source.
I worked with a woman who told me that she thought of all of the nicknames for the doctors that we worked with… that I had literally thought of and introduced. I am still so confused by this .
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I like how you found the clip to go with it.
"Cryptomnesia"
a film by Christopher Nolan
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That's when you go back in time to implant a idea in someone's dream.
"Cryptomnesia"
a film by Christopher Nolan
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dude, did you steal that joke from Dave Marx?
or did you have Cryptomnesia?
"Cryptomnesia"
A film by ffffffffffffffffff
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dizzjarl oh I see what you did here LOL
There are so many times im writing a script and I write this killer joke and like a second later im thinking "of course its funny...someone way funnier than me wrote it."
Originality is impossible now. Even a hermit will work out something wise that is already a Garfield meme.
11:17 that is one hot cavewomen!
sum gt lol
This particular timestamp sent me straight to the comments. I noticed the same thing, but also couldn't wrap my brain around them all agreeing to "kill dinosaurs". Dinosaurs and humans did not exist simultaneously. So I can't tell if it's a sarcastic joke on the limited intelligence of cavemen, the general public's view on the accuracy of history, or just a joke that doesn't make sense.
grimmturd Don't tell that to the creationists! They'll tell you just a few years before they were kicked off the Ark for poor behaviour, we humans rode around on them like donkeys. "Eaaaasy there triceratops!"
B Brocky I don't think anyone thinks that, dude
Western Gulag Creationist Museum, Kentucky, look it up.
Problem is that Amy has done this dozens of times
hundreds
And no matter how many times she gets called out she is still popular! The comedians she’s stealing from are funny. I’m not sure how someone can repeat a funny joke, and take the humor out. There’s no accountability. She’s mainstream now, and people I know that like her don’t know about the stolen jokes. They don’t follow comedians, so they don’t know the original jokes. I’m ready for her to go the way of Mencia.
@Marilyn's My Mother it's because she found that if she uses "sexism" and "women's rights" (Paraphrased heavily because it's bullshit in her case,) then she can have borderline violent defenders as well as generalize herself with the current third wave Feminism "movement."
There are endless examples of her on Twitter saying "I'm just being specifically targeted for joke stealing because I'm a woman."
carlos mancia was also accused of stealing many jokes, from bill Cosby, south park, George Lopez, Joe rogen, and bobby lee. he admitted to stealing jokes on "I am a comic" (2010). he also sent 6 Mexican men to make bobby lee to apologize for calling him out. even his name isn't real, his name is ned and he isn't mexican but Honduran-German. I get the others but mencia admitted to stealing jokes.
You sing a song better than the original artist your praised
phenomenal work
I just came across this. Very well said.
Carlos Menstealia
Desmondo hey, that's my joke ^-^
Actually Joe Rogan says that in another video. Its joe's joke.
Its actually my Joke now ©
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I stopped watching that hack's show because all of his material was stolen. Pissed me off to no end that this POS was making bank because either the audience wasn't as into stand-up as me or the people in charge were told about the theft and didn't give a shit because they were making money as well. Fuck you carlos.. and your little dog too (not my joke, lol)
Dan Nainan enters: I am unequivocally hilarious and create my own content. As I ride around in this million dollar jet making 10k for an hour of jokes for the Queen. HA.
when the first caveman lived, all the dinosaurs were long dead
Cryptomnesia is how we start learning as babies.
"No human endeavor is truly creative because it is merely an imitation or combination of things that already exist."
- Plato
The irony as that you DIDN'T steal that from Plato, because Plato never said it. 😄
“Attributing nonexistent quotes to philosophers is a good way to convince your audience of your intelligence.”
-Jesus
Plato is a tool then.
@@micahwright5901 this is extra funny since Jesus is probably the most misquoted person ever.
"There is nothing new under the Sun."
~You Know, That One Guy
Gut feeling lol. I see what you did there
I wonder why 3 of Louis' bits from that same CD ended up on Dane's, 5 years later. And other comics accusing him of stealing. Coincidence, I'm sure.
Cryptomeria sounds like when a guy discovers crypto and subsumes it as his entire personality and subsequently forgets any prior visage of life or identity.
Fun fact - that Louie episode with Dane wasn't improvised at all. CK wrote both their lines. Dane had no input.
Not surprised, it was his way of saving face but on Louis" terms... The episode definitely wasn't to his advantage...
Don’t know how I feel about that
You ignore that Dane took a number of jokes from Louie, you just picked one and made it look more coincidental when trying to move to the explanation of cryptomnesia. Especially, since the baby naming is the most generic joke lifted. Might not have been intentional to make Dane look better but it does.
Scott Bowen It was an example to illustrate a bigger point and lead into the cryptomnesia discussion. Dane Cook isn't as bad as Carlos Mencia and Amy. He did however say that it is still plagiarism. The video even has cryptomnesia in the title. The video isn't to outline every stolen joke ever nor is the focus bashing Dane cook. The focus is to explore the concept of cryptomnesia and how it pertains to comics.
DANA COOK, is so unfunny that he stole a NOT FUNNY JOKE. Of all the funny stuff that CK has said, THATS what COOK took? SMH
Steve Martin did the "naming your children absurd names" bit back in the mid 70s. It's on his album called "A Wild and Crazy Guy"
Damn brother !! Just amazing